Tuesday report

The Warriors had a creative practice today, working on the strategies they expect to use against San Jose State Friday, as well as unveiling some new wrinkles.



• Kawika Borden, who has recovered from hip and ankle injuries to emerge as a dynamic special-team player, has been added to the 64-player travel roster.

• Defensive end Tavita Woodard also will travel.

• Not sure if this is significant, but the players yelled, “automatic,” as Kenton Chun jogged onto the field for a placekicking drill. Chun and kicker Tyler Hadden will travel.

• Brett Leonard resumed practicing today after being held out for a week because of the after-effects of being struck on the head during the Louisiana Tech game. Leonard declared himself physically fit. It should be interesting with center Matagisila Lefiti getting more reps at right guard.

• Miah Ostrowsi was running at full speed today. After missing the previous three games, he is set to rotate with Justin Clapp at right slotback.

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Punt returner Scott Harding and graduate assistant coach Inoke Funaki:



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Tyler Hadden:


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Alex Dunnachie:


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Kyle Niiro:


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As an old fut, I’ve always embraced this lament: If I knew then what I know now . . .

Well, UH supporters should know this: This might be the good ol’ days for fans of UH football. Consider:

• Warrior games can be shown on ESPN.

• The coaching staff includes Mouse Davis and Dick Tomey.

• There is a conference opponent in Northern California.

• Bryant Moniz is the starting quarterback.

• Kaniela Tuipulotu and Vaughn Meatoga are starting defensive tackles.

• Aloha Stadium is still standing.

• The Warriors are in a conference.

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Cool birthday wishes to Wes’side Warrior.


  1. WarriorMojo October 11, 2011 6:53 am


  2. Hank October 11, 2011 6:53 am

    Good Morning everybody!

  3. papajoe2 October 11, 2011 6:54 am


  4. papajoe2 October 11, 2011 6:54 am


  5. whitey October 11, 2011 6:59 am

    good morning tsaikos. top 20

  6. whitey October 11, 2011 7:01 am

    san jose is near SF and not in mexico.

  7. papajoe2 October 11, 2011 7:04 am

    I still don’t understand the logic of joining the MWC since we have to pay for their charter flights and hardly get any money from the conference’s tv deal. We also may lose our PPV at 2 million + per year. I really think the MWC should renegociate their tv deal. The top teams are leaving the MWC. Must be a reason for that. How can we survive? We must be hoping for a larger tournout at the games, but with the “name” teams leaving, it may be like the WAC again. I did like the idea of getting out of the WAC but now I’m not so sure. Maybe we should have gone independent.

  8. CoolEthan October 11, 2011 7:05 am

    That’s why a song was written for those who couldn’t find San Jose. :>

  9. letsgowarriors October 11, 2011 7:05 am

    since guys like Chun and Bubba Luna are being added to the travel roster, are the coaches now leaving true frosh Trevor Davis and Blake Muir off the travel roster?

  10. LizKauai (iPad) October 11, 2011 7:11 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

  11. LizKauai (iPad) October 11, 2011 7:15 am

    Why do I get the feeling that the groundswell of general apathy is tolling the end of Warrior Football? If the TsaiMiester is in “remember when” mode, I guess there’s no point in getting out of bed today..

  12. LizKauai (iPad) October 11, 2011 7:17 am

    Well, then



  13. Ipu Man October 11, 2011 7:25 am

    Hmmmm…The Governor saves a bundle of cash by having

    his own staff leave him. Maybe he hopes to have a UH

    football team with just assistants doing the job without a

    head coach…

  14. Stretch October 11, 2011 7:35 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    Papajoe –

    If UH stayed in the WAC, our conference opponents next season would be 87 Utah St, 99 San Jose St, 113 New Mexico St, 114 Idaho and 82* UT-San Antonio, 50* Texas St

    * – FCS power ranking (Div1AA). Note that UC Davis is currently 29

    MWC – 121 New Mexico, 111 UNLV, 97 Colorado St, 92 Wyoming, 81 Fresno St, 66 SDSU, 54 Air Force, 56 Nevada

    I can’t see fans being excited to play those remaining WAC teams. If you also take into account the other sports moving to the Big West, this all makes “cents”.

  15. LizKauai (iPad) October 11, 2011 7:44 am


    No Child Left Behind now taking control of UH?

    The end of Football will just be the harbinger of the end of UH…

    A university education becomes more and more meaningless in preparation for the practical world and fewer people will be able or even willing to sacrifice for it….

    The old world order is rolling up.

    But for the rest of THIS SEASON, I got my season tickets, got my (mofo) plane reservations, and am READY TO CHEER FOR OUR WARRIORS!!!

  16. Kekoa October 11, 2011 7:48 am

    WarriorMojo is #1?!…I move that ruling be striken from the record on the grounds that he is an avowed Tsaiko!…Hehehe – Good morning WM! Good Tuesday morning Tsaiko’s!

  17. Kekoa October 11, 2011 7:53 am

    Aunty Liz! You making me nervous. What us guys goin’ grumble about on da blog, if no moah?

  18. NaKoaMike October 11, 2011 7:56 am

    Support the Warrior Football Program by texting “Hawaii” to 85944.


  19. koakane October 11, 2011 7:58 am

    morning Hawaii Nei

    getting closer to friday and warrior ball …. hard waiting for the day to draw nearer

    gangie let just play out the season and think about the MW when we are a participating

  20. koakane October 11, 2011 8:00 am

    opps should have added …….. member

    we get nuff to do yet so let not get ahead of ourselves

  21. (Jesse) James October 11, 2011 8:00 am

    Morning Tsaikos…

    Woo Hoo…Top twenty-five

  22. (Jesse) James October 11, 2011 8:04 am

    Yep…Focus on the task at hand. One game at a time…This week is SJSU. Don’t take them lightly. We need to play lights out. Again, “Just Win Baby!”

  23. Da Punchbowl Kid October 11, 2011 8:05 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂

    Top 25! With the legendary (J)esse James no less!

  24. Da Punchbowl Kid October 11, 2011 8:07 am

    I also count these as the good ole days of UH football because all my rowdy friends are on the Warrior Beat! 🙂

    Add to that list above: And Stephen Tsai was the hardest workin’ sports reporter in town.

  25. Da Punchbowl Kid October 11, 2011 8:10 am

    Fales Pordagee – #22

    +1, baby!

    Stay hungry, focused, humble and don’t let up until the game is pau!

  26. MattyBoy October 11, 2011 8:11 am


    Are you implying that the future doesn’t look good for Warrior football and it program??

  27. Da Punchbowl Kid October 11, 2011 8:12 am

    And Coach Mack still don’t have dat extension…

  28. jm2375 October 11, 2011 8:15 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Are there any traditional colleges that don’t have an athletic program? Imho having a successful athletic program is integral to a well-roundfd college education


  29. Shoko October 11, 2011 8:29 am

    For those attending the Hawaii-Nevada game, I suggest you dress in layers. It’s going to be coooooold!

  30. Wes'side Warrior October 11, 2011 8:31 am

    Morning/afternoon, everyone!

    We’ve seen the ups and downs throughout the years… talk way back when about the possibility of stepping down to a lower division… and we somehow pulled through.

    This is not the time to bail out on our school and student athletes. I thought, after the debacle in the desert, that there was mention that Coach Mack’s contract was going to be done after seeing how the team performed at LaTech? Now, I’m hearing of a possibility that it may not happen until the end of the season? Are they really trying to reduce UH to an academics-only school? And how will that affect Hawaii’s overall economy? I’d rather they make a big push and work with everyone connected to the HTA to redevelop our tourist industry.

    I am approached every day I go out, whether it’s grocery shopping, paying bills, getting gas, whatever. Everyone asks, “Are you from Hawaii?” because of the hats or shirts I wear. This always leads to some discussion about our football, softball, or volleyball teams. It is some sort of a novelty to these people, that we are so isolated and yet still manage to compete with their schools up here on the mainland, even with the crazy amount of traveling required. Conversation almost always drifts to something about wanting to visit Hawaii before they get too old.

    Up in Michigan for the past 15 years, we’d always see vacation commercials for the Caribbean and Florida, especially during winter months. We’d never see anything on travel to Hawaii, unless we’re watching a nationally televised game.

    Anyways, enough of my rambling. Just a bit of frustration seeping in with all this foot-dragging. I agree with what others have said, though. Make it known through media who are involved in these contract negotiations, and ask every one of them if they understand the impact they have by delaying this, as well as their position on the current struggle. As far as I can see, we’ve been steadily improving both on the field and in the classroom. Coach has taken voluntary cuts on top of that. Not his fault that they offered such a huge pie to begin with.

  31. tommui October 11, 2011 8:37 am


    jm2375 #28 The concept of a “sound mind in a sound body” is primary reason why physical education was required at “schools of higher learning” and even filtering down to grade/intermediate/high schools.

    If we are talking about athletic programs that feature team sports but not on a D1-D3 level, you have University of Chicago, MIT etc.

    However, if you want to have community-wide support, you got to maintain and encourage a successful athletic program. Look at all the fair-weather types that jumped on the Colt Brennan/Sugar Bowl bandwagon!

  32. Shoko October 11, 2011 8:37 am

    Big East is a sinking boat. Don’t know why BSU would even consider joining the conference in only football. I remember when the Big East only wanted TCU as a football-only member and they said screw that.


  33. papajoe2 October 11, 2011 8:44 am

    Someone needs to get these people together in one session to work out Coach Mack’s contract. In yesterday’s blog #198 by MIH, someone wrote to JD and his response was something like this: the athletic director, chancellor, president, vice chair of the board of regents and chairman of the board of regents must approve any contract longer than 3 years and paying $500,000 or more. No wonder its taking a long time to get it done. Too many people involved. Getting them together is just 1 of many steps. Coach Mack also has to agree on the contract and may have his wantings that all those at UH may not agree too. Must all of those people invloved agree to everything before its offered?

  34. A-joe October 11, 2011 8:47 am

    I have a friend who’s son KILLS in flag football yet, refuses to step up and play Pop Warner. He hasn’t told me straight but, I can see his point; Why go up and play with the bigger boys and be mediocre, maybe get hurt. He’s having fun right now. Eventually he’ll be old enough to play high school ball. He’ll wait till then.

    Jumping to the Big 12 or Big East is just too much of a leap for Boise right now. They don’t have the backend infrastructure to support such a sudden and drastic move.

    The system BSU currently has in place works perfectly for the situation they’re in. But, it can’t hold up and withstand the weekly riggers of bigger stronger opponents.

    Surely, Big 12 or Big East exposure could lead to better recruits. But now, BSU is competing against bigger programs for the same talent. What 4star blue Chip athlete would want to spend 4 years in the Ponderosa when they could be under the big city lights of Austin or NY.

    And besides, BSU would look like dicks to abandon a conference they just got into. (Don’t wanna blatantly burn any bridges as they step on member’s faces on their climb to the top. Too soon for that)

    BSU has gotten to this point through excellent strategic planning. They’ve systematically taken baby steps and invested into their future to propel them forward. Who knows in 10 years when BSU has a 50,000 seat stadium, a good flow of outside revenue streaming in and a sustained solid program, they may outgrow the MWC pen and seek greener pastures.

    What’s weighing heavily on BSU’s mind is- can BSU survive beyond Peterson? What happens when he leaves? Do they find someone else to replicate what he’s instilled? Who would that be? Does the program go in another direction? Can they afford and sustain such a move? This and many other factors predicates their next move forward.

    Much to contemplate. Till then, baby steps is working just fine for them.

  35. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 8:56 am


  36. A-House October 11, 2011 8:57 am

    Ipu Man:

    I will not give the “garden” a name.

    It is dedicated to all the students and athletes at UH for their strength, will, and courage to pursue their education dream and succeed as contributing members of their community; where ever it may be.

  37. papajoe2 October 11, 2011 9:01 am

    why is lingle’s picture on the top os all the SA’s internet pages? I don’t feel good about that.

  38. Slugger October 11, 2011 9:02 am

    Good morning, gang!

    ST ~ I like your list of reminders. 🙂 Looking forward to practice report.

  39. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 9:04 am


  40. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 9:04 am


    Is it fair to expect more from a program that now has a bigger and better foundation than it eve

    Just for arguments sake…What if the higher ups see a program that did more with less 1999-2007, but now see a program doing the same with MORE. Weird ah?

    What does that say? What is really fair here?

    Adjusted for inflation, it’s probably about the same now.

  41. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 9:06 am

    So is the MWC dead already?

  42. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 9:08 am

    Hawaii needs to get an additional week exemption for itself and the team it plays first for it to survive. That alone will increase it’s value to whatever conference it is in as the first game will be the ONLY game around and viewed by millions.

  43. Old Diver October 11, 2011 9:11 am

    Why is UH leaving the WAC for the MWC? Well think of it this way. It is like jumping off the Titanic (WAC) into a life raft (MWC) in the middle of nowhere. While you could still die on the life raft, it won’t be immediate like staying on the Titanic.

  44. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 9:11 am


    Hawaii can’t be a BCS AQ Conference team cause it refuses to think, move and invest like the BCS AQ schools do.

  45. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 9:13 am

    KevinARiley has posted another pre-game article on Bleacher


  46. Bowwar October 11, 2011 9:18 am

    I used get snide remarks from the mainland visitors whenever I flew a plane back to the islands and the video with Lingle in it came on welcoming visitors…I had a similar flashback when I saw Lingle’s picture on the StarAdvertiser website today. Yuck!

  47. Bowwar October 11, 2011 9:19 am

    Yes, it will be freakin cold when I watch the Warriors in Reno…I wonder if they allow blankets and thermos bottles into the stadium.

  48. Bowwar October 11, 2011 9:20 am

    Who are the vice-chair and chair of the Board of Regents…Time to start sending emails and getting those folks to act on those contracts for Mack and Arnold.

  49. A-joe October 11, 2011 9:22 am

    Hawaii doesn’t have a goal and a clear strategic path to get there. Right now, Hawaii is in a “maintaining mode” at times teetering on “survival mode.”

    JD needs to sit down with key legislatures, state and downtown business leaders, philanthropic supporters and pound out a clear goal and direction for the program. Assess the resources Hawaii has and use them favorably to the program’s advantage. Explore new avenues that can expand Hawaii’s reach.

  50. A-joe October 11, 2011 9:23 am

    45. Mahalo MIH

  51. uhfan09 October 11, 2011 9:31 am

    Bringing kenton chun will only hurt the team in other positions of need. Hope the team practice is sharp and full of energy because I know san jose state will bring it.

  52. rainbowfan October 11, 2011 9:40 am

    TCU leaving, Air Force may leave the MWC and Boise too ? UH would be playing Fresno, Nevada and five other “old” WAC members, including Las Vegas.

  53. A-joe October 11, 2011 9:44 am

    btw- Hau’oli La Hanau, Wes’side Warrior!

  54. A-joe October 11, 2011 9:45 am

    Boise not leaving

  55. kev-1 October 11, 2011 10:00 am

    If Boise does leave the MWC and the conference continues to weaken with the loss of AF and SDSU, UH will have to seriously reconsider the independent in football idea.

  56. kev-1 October 11, 2011 10:02 am

    Everyone has it pretty much correct . . . leaving the WAC for the MWC will look like a complete wash. Same, same. Did we pay to leave?

  57. A-joe October 11, 2011 10:05 am

    Tomey is the master of ho’omalimali. It’s no wonder he’s well liked by all.

  58. A-joe October 11, 2011 10:06 am

    Boise not leaving.

  59. Couch potato October 11, 2011 10:11 am

    on a good note, congrats to Wahine softball:


  60. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 11:01 am

    With Air Force and TCU out of the picture, is there enough in the MWC to generate the kind of attendance we need to pay for these travel subsidies? The loss of the top tier teams (worse if Boise leaves) puts these subsidies in a totally different light.

  61. bigislandkurt October 11, 2011 11:11 am

    Aloha A-Joe!

    I respectfully disagree. And this don’t happen too often my friend.

    All Boise has done is systematically destroy virtually each and every opponent put in front of them….no matter what conference. Sure, there was last year’s Nevada game….but aside from that, Boise has constantly beaten everyone they have played. Oregon. VaTech. Georgia. Oklahoma.

    Pundits say….”yeh, but can they do that every week”? I tell you this. Boise has been a Juggernaut. And they have constantly made successful leaps each and every step of the way –from their days a junior college to the national powerhouse brand they have today. There is a history that goes back much farther than Hawkins, Coach Pete and anyone else us UH folks may know about concerning recent Boise history. Coach Pete gonna be one of those throw backs…..one of those that stay at the same school for many years. He loves his situation in Boise….almost God/joepa like. But if he just so happens to decide to retire and become the Governor of Idaho, I have to believe that they will keep that engine/system humm’n like a bee.

    Based on their history, I have no doubt in my mind that they will succeed in the Big East or Big 12. Remember, we talking about a Big12 that will be missing A&M, and possibly Missou, Texas and Oklahoma. Everybody is just trying to be premptive in preparation for the dominoes to fall…again. And when they do, the whole baby step theory goes out the window. It’s all about the benjamins baby. $$$.


  62. madeinhawaii October 11, 2011 11:17 am

    Maybe it’s time to form a new conference. Take the best of the left outs and try to make an AQ or near AQ conference.

  63. Gewürze aus Italien bestellen October 11, 2011 11:19 am

    But wanna admit that this is extremely beneficial , Thanks for taking your time to write this.

  64. Kevin October 11, 2011 11:20 am

    Softball had their first practice yesterday as Jason Kaneshiro reports in the paper today.

    It’s true, there is a new level of enthusiasm this year. Clean slate indeed and people will come to enjoy the new and talented incoming freshmen.

    Returnees look solid and confident, but not relaxed or content either.

    Good level of energy yesterday and everyone lookin strong and physically conditioned for the season.

  65. Couch potato October 11, 2011 11:31 am

    Kevin, you have any info on the freshmen? took a looksee at the Wahine softball roster but no background info on the new faces. i could google their names but if someone has the info collated and can just copy and paste to a post that would be easier for me. if not then google here i come. lunch first though.

  66. Couch potato October 11, 2011 11:38 am

    bigislandkurt, i agree. Boise has an attitude where excellence is expected and they live up to expectations. everything is excellence to them, their attitude, determination, work ethic, preparation, and concentration.

  67. RedZone October 11, 2011 11:44 am

    I hope the coach lets Ricketts swing the bat this year.

  68. 99club October 11, 2011 11:46 am

    Great to read about ESPNU carrying the UNR game. Did a quick check on the weather history for November 12th in Reno:

    Lows between 5 (1903) and 46 (1984) degrees.

    Highs between 27 (1985) and 73 (1990) degrees.

    Not too late to get those L.L. Bean orders in…

  69. A-joe October 11, 2011 11:55 am

    It’s all good, braddah BIK. We just trying to keep it real.

    This is where I say don’t only look at what’s being done on the field. Look at what’s being done off.

    Boise historical success didn’t come with overnight split decisions. Their predicated success has been due to a slow systematic growth off the field. Case and point- In 1968 Boise didn’t begin to build a 70,000 seat stadium in hopes of someday filling it. They were realistic. They built one that sustained their immediate needs. As they’ve grown over the years they’ve added to stadium.

    What’s admirable about Boise is rather than maintaining a status quo, they’ve consciously invested into their future, year after year, to further their program.

    Baby steps have been good to them.

    I have no doubt Boise can play with the big boys. What they can’t do is maintain their success with a tough schedule week in and week out. And why should they. They’ve got a clear road to a national title with a schedule they can dominate.

    Benjamins or not, Boise just doesn’t have the infrastructure in place to support such a sudden drastic move to a bigger conference. Someday, they will. Just not yet.

    Rome wasn’t built overnight. Certainly not Boise as well.

  70. A-joe October 11, 2011 11:56 am

    btw- did I mention, Boise not moving.

  71. A-joe October 11, 2011 12:04 pm

    Why is Texas, USC, Oklahoma, LSU, Florida, Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Alabama sooo successful year in and year out?

    They can buy their success without BCS money.

    Boise can’t.

    Someday, they will.

  72. Kekoa October 11, 2011 12:14 pm

    BIK ~

    Re: BSU

    E kala mai…I just don’t like ’em…PERIOD! (Waiting for the bubble to burst). Given a choice of where most folks would rather go to see a ball game…Hawaii, wins out! Where would they rather send their son to play football?…

    Re: Future Warrior

    Is your LB pushin’ Tonka toys with one hand yet?

    Re: SJ game on Friday. (Read what Westside Warrior has to say about East coast peeps warming up to UH football). They will be watching UH during Prime time, so I’m lookin’ for another good showing by our guys.

  73. Kekoa October 11, 2011 12:25 pm

    Logging off the blog for now. Occupying Beach cabins for the next few days as we begin celebrating our Pint-sized Princess’s 2nd birthday today. BBL…

  74. Slugger October 11, 2011 12:26 pm

    Hau’oli La Hanau, Wes’side Warrior!

    Mahalo for letting us know, A-Joe… as well as the Boise reminder… 🙂

    Because this is a blog, some people like to voice conjecture about conference realignments, coaches future, etc. Keeping it simple, I’m into supporting the team, right here, right now. The players on the team are focusing on their next game, one game at a time. (That’s what they tell me…) This season’s goal… WAC Champs! I doubt that they are tossing and turning in their sleep about conference realignments. I’m not going to waste my energy on worrying about that right now. Just support the team & coaches. Focus your positive energy to the team. I don’t purport to know much about football, but I do know some of the people who are playing & coaching the game. They appreciate your support.


    GO WAHINE!!!

  75. mikey October 11, 2011 12:27 pm

    To #43 Old Diver:

    October 11th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    1. You made my day today, thanks for the great laugh you game me… “While you could still die on the life raft, it won’t be immediate like staying on the Titanic.”

  76. Slugger October 11, 2011 12:27 pm


    Hau’oli la hanau to the little Princess!

  77. mikey October 11, 2011 12:31 pm

    To #46 Bowwar:

    But at least Lingle did much better job of holding on to our State than Abercrombie Administration (falling apart) is doing now.

  78. mikey October 11, 2011 12:36 pm

    If TCU can go from MWC to Big East to Big 12 Overnight?

    So can BSU they are in same caliber as TCU.

    That’s where Hawaii need to be.

    If TCU and BSU can do it so can WE.

    Go Warriors!

  79. haka October 11, 2011 12:39 pm

    Go Warriors!

    Go Wahine!

    Proud to be a UH…well..uh…er..um…athletic supporter!

  80. mikey October 11, 2011 12:40 pm

    Who knows by the time Hawaii gets into MWC next year 2012; we’ll have all the Oldie WAC opponents left to play with.

  81. rainbowfan October 11, 2011 12:42 pm

    Hawaii softball wahine had 158 home runs in 2010 and only 56 in 2011, Majam had 30 in 2010 and 9 in 2011; Iwata had 18 in 2010 and 15 in 2011.

    The type of bats allowed made a big difference, so Bob should go back to some small ball, if he hasn’t already.

  82. mikey October 11, 2011 12:45 pm

    Boise State is already doing it without BCS Money.

    Have you seen Money Ball?

    BSU gets Bargain players (Underrated player) playing like they belong in BCS Schools.

    And so does TCU and SMU is coming along nicely too.

    They just signed 4Star Running Back for next year already.

    Hawaii never had that but we’re hoping one day!

  83. mikey October 11, 2011 12:47 pm

    well times up for me Lunch is Pau.

    Good day and have a Shrimp on the barb

  84. rainbowfan October 11, 2011 12:51 pm

    I like that Kenton is back to maybe kicking again- this is his last year. He should have good luck with Peter Kim of Bear Bryant fame & the Tomey years assisting him.

  85. CJBN TV October 11, 2011 12:52 pm

    Good, The Warrior Beat| UH football, University of Hawaii athletics | staradvertiser.com | Honolulu, Hawaii.

  86. A-joe October 11, 2011 1:16 pm

    Mikey- Yup. Seen it. Boise ain’t money ball.

    I’m not talking “chump change” out of pocket purchases here. I’m talking buying yourself a new system without blinking an eye. And survive as a program without sweating it.

    -Notre Dame is on their 6th buyout since Holtz left.

    -Michigan did it twice after Lloyd Carr.

    -LSU didn’t blink after Nick Saban left.

    -Alabama tried six times after Gene Stallings retired.

    -Ohio St. recent purchase is purely damage control until they can find someone to right their ship.

    Boise just can’t afford to do it. We certainly can’t. If we could Mack and Trap would’ve been long gone by now.

    Can Boise stave off USC, Ohio St. or Notre Dame from plucking away Peterson? Do they have a back up plan if Peterson leaves?

  87. Couch potato October 11, 2011 1:25 pm

    A-joe, that’s truckloads of change those schools spent! never thought of those “purchases”.

    if Petersen gets lured and takes his staff then, aiyah. deconstruct the stadium.

  88. A-House October 11, 2011 1:27 pm


    4**** RB commited or SIGNED?

  89. Couch potato October 11, 2011 1:47 pm

    A-House, at this point in time the recruits are committed. LOI day for football starts 2/1/12.

  90. buy sell shares October 11, 2011 1:59 pm

    I’d forever want to be update on new posts on this site, saved to fav! .

  91. Kevin October 11, 2011 2:02 pm

    Couch Potato,

    Sorry kind of swamped right now. Months ago, Ralph provided links to stats for 1st base/catcher Kayla Wartner and I provided some info on 3rd base player Austin Wilkerson.

    You can find a detailed stat listing for Wartner via MaxPreps I believe.

    You can find youtube videos on both. Wilkerson’s video is the most recent and Wartner’s one dates from 2009.

    The walk-ons Keiko Sugihara and Stacy Rosengren also have youtube videos.

  92. Hawaiianbod October 11, 2011 2:05 pm

    Happy Birthday Westside Warrior!

  93. Ralph October 11, 2011 2:09 pm

    AHouse commitments are verbals to date: for 2012 Boise State, TCU and SMU have 16 verbals, UH 1.

    Boise and TCU are where we want to be as non AQ schools, successful in conference and good enough to compete in BCS bowls. JJ at SMU wants to emulate the success and footsteps of TCU, and he is on his way in achieving success. As A Joe stated, do we have a plan?

  94. whitey October 11, 2011 2:15 pm

    ralph, i think correct is 3 not 1.

  95. whitey October 11, 2011 2:18 pm

    ralph, i think what you and ajoe are saying is a soft spot for da warriors. i not sure, but i get a feeling that only 3 coaches are recruiting, rolo, tuioti, and smith. just my feeling.

  96. Ralph October 11, 2011 2:18 pm

    Okay Whitey, I just took a peek at Rivals.com, maybe different on Scout.com

  97. WarriorMojo October 11, 2011 2:20 pm

    Re #9

    I was going to let this pass, but it’s been bugging me. What do you mean by the phrase “guys like Chun and Bubba Luna”? Unless you mean “guys who the coaches think can make a play that may make a difference in the game”, it sounds like you are disrespecting these young Warriors. If I’m reading too much into it, I apologize. If I’m reading it correctly, who are you to slam these players?

    If the coaches believe that Chun is the best place kicker on the team and that he is significantly better than Hadden, then he needs to be on the trip. I’m not getting how that is even up for debate. Take the guys who give you the best chance to win. Period.

    Or are you suggesting that taking Davis and Muir — two guys who are scheduled to redshirt — gives us a better chance to win THIS game, THIS year?

  98. Ralph October 11, 2011 2:21 pm

    Rivals list Eddie Lackey as our only verbal to date.

  99. Couch potato October 11, 2011 2:30 pm

    i thought Lackey, Adams, and Woolsey committed to the Warriors? no rely on rivals or scout to get up to date info.

  100. Ralph October 11, 2011 2:38 pm

    I now remember Tsai reporting on Adams and Woolsey as commits.

  101. Leigha Wyms October 11, 2011 3:09 pm

    hi au good to see you back! marked to favorites (i like your style ) Report Comment

  102. kev-1 October 11, 2011 3:19 pm

    #97 . . . I don’t think that is what was implied. If anything, it just hints at redshirt. Don’t think disrespect intended, but of course, I never write um.

  103. mikey October 11, 2011 3:22 pm

    I have listed Commit so far Adams OG, Lackey OLB, Woolsey QB, and I don’t know about Turner CB but list Hawaii as only school of interest with offer from Hawaii.

    All of them 2 Star but hope they play like ‘Money Ball’ (Under-rated players like BSU)

    wanna be BCS school players. They are Hungry! Mo determind like ‘Mo’

    Warriors will take that any day rather then 4 or 5 star who aren’t as determind and hungry.

  104. Stephen Tsai October 11, 2011 3:29 pm

    I’ve always felt Boise State’s players weren’t under-rated, they were under-publicized.

    Boise does a terrible job of promoting its players, and it has some quality players, especially on defense.

    Boise has a great coach, great schemes, great work ethic. But it also has great players, too.

  105. showthemsupport October 11, 2011 3:32 pm

    its easy to be automatic when you dont kick outside the 30 yard line. I dont see how that comment above serves any purpose Mr. Tsai.

    Glad Miah will be back. He is for sure a spark out there for a the team. Welcome Back!

    Glad the game will be on ESPN! Go Warriors

  106. mctruck October 11, 2011 3:38 pm

    Wes’side, happy birthday sir.

    what’s da scoop on contract offer UH made to coach Gib???, if I’m understanding what I’ve been reading thus far….he has not made a commitment?? wonder if he’s just going to coach without a contract this season, hoping to do real well and perhaps get a better offer from else where, thus leaving on a moments notice without ever signing on to a binding contract????…maybe his assistant left because he was aware of what was coming down the pike??

  107. Old School Dave October 11, 2011 3:39 pm

    Old guy ramblings on ways to increase attendance at UH football games:

    1. Do away with PPV, except for the neighbor islands. Back in the day, UH used to draw 40,000 for games against the likes of Abilene Christian and Praire View. UH fans couldn’t get enough of the Rainbow Warriors back then. If you’re a fan, you should go to the game instead of watching it at uncle’s garage. Bottom line is that an empty stadium looks bad and hurts recruiting.

    2. Make the Aloha Stadium experience more pleasant by banning alcohol on the PREMISES, not just the sale inside. Sadly, it’s only a matter of time before someone is either killed or seriously injured by some alcohol fueled altercation. I like my brew like most others, but I can go 3-4 hours without it and still have a good time. Problem is that the guys who cannot handle the booze are often the biggest baboozes in making things unpleasant for other fans who just want to enjoy the game.

    3. Long term plan, build an on-campus stadium in the area of 50,000, without a track. Have UH manage it, as opposed to the Stadium Authority. It looks like the Rail is going to become reality, so make use of that eventual connect to the UH Manoa campus. The Ala Wai golf course would also be a good location – come to the game by canoe if you want, ala UW’s Husky Stadium. While I don’t like Boise State, I do like the direction their AD is taking for the future. They’re going to expand their stadium to 50,000 and the sky’s the limit. Too much manini kine, shortsighted thinking at UH, IMHO.

    Bronco Stadium Expansion link:


  108. mikey October 11, 2011 3:39 pm

    Wasn’t Mac a back up plan after JJ? He did get more than a what $1 Million?

    We are on our way to BCS and Soon.

    Look out for the Warriors BCS. Not this year but soon, if not for 2 losses we could have won

    And you heard it here first, BYU and Hawaii will WIN the rest of the game this year for a final show down at Aloha. Boy what a final game that will be on National TV yet! During that final week most of other college football game will be PAU! And all Eyes will be upon us.

    We are coming back to BCS – New Orleans Sugar Bowl! In fact people of New Orleans wants us ‘Hawaii Fans’ rather than say Georgia tells you something.

    I Believe in Warrior Football!

  109. mctruck October 11, 2011 3:41 pm


    I think Boise recruits players who are, “athletic” no matter what position they play…quick and athletic.

  110. mctruck October 11, 2011 3:48 pm

    It seems like yesterday, most of us thought the MWC was the place to be; now all of a sudden things look pretty shakey for the MWC and the BleakEast as well.

  111. mctruck October 11, 2011 3:51 pm

    just my thinking…wouldn’t it be great if the PAC12 decided to expand and invited both Boise and Hawaii to their ranks????…football only.

  112. whitey October 11, 2011 3:52 pm

    i think to get a solid recruit, you need to recruit the his entire family, but then you can only bring the recruit on a visit and not the family, so if distance is the usual problem, i can see why it is hard to convince a player to commit early.

  113. mikey October 11, 2011 3:52 pm

    I whole hearthedly Agree with Old School Dave:

    Do away with PPV since we’re not going to get $2.5 Million going MWC anytime soon.

    That’s why BYU left MWC to set up their own channel and not share with MWC.

    I use to be a season ticket holder but now we can get 20+ people at our home for free Big Screen TV on DirecTV. and not even pay $475 PPV to Oceanic.

    We do go to UH games but on selected basis, like Fresno and BYU game this year.

    Aloha Stadium do make it very un-people-fan friendly.

    Time for a change and Fill the Aloha Stadium like they use too.

  114. whitey October 11, 2011 3:57 pm

    of course, the opposite is also hard to understand why the hi kids go to the mainland when they are offered a scholie to uh. but then, can see their point and administratively, uh has more problems than a similar school on the mainland. example, class availability for every student.

  115. whitey October 11, 2011 4:01 pm

    no knock on aloha stadium, but if you are 60+, would you buy a seat in the yellow section??

  116. mikey October 11, 2011 4:06 pm

    #116 Whitey: The Answer is Yes! and catch the Elevator Up to nose bleed section.

  117. Kala October 11, 2011 4:07 pm

    Finally, the coaching staff is seeing that Sila is NOT

    the best man to be snapping the ball. I hope they make it a permanent change in games.

    Is Jackson going to be able to play on fri?

  118. mikey October 11, 2011 4:11 pm

    Well BSU players are not 4 or 5 Star players.

    But they are well mannered, obedient, respecful, plolite and courteous football player who gets very little ‘Personal Fouls’

    That’s what a great football team does. it’s call ‘Deciplend’

  119. Kala October 11, 2011 4:12 pm


    I got seats in the red, my parents are old, and the south end zone elevator people wouldn’t let them go up without a “pass”. There’s a bunch of jerks that work at the “NO” aloha stadium!

  120. Shoko October 11, 2011 4:23 pm

    I think most of the credit of BSU’s success is attributed to the coach and staff that can get players that are not four or five star recruits and use their strengths to fit perfectly into their system. If Coach Pete ever decided to leave, which he has adamantly said he won’t, BSU football might just turn into a mediocre program. That guy is amazing.

    P.S. Still hate those donks tho. 😉

  121. koakane October 11, 2011 4:25 pm

    ‘a’ole loa to the yellow section

    after reading the various happening around the conference scenes and following all the talk about the WAC and MW I’m placing my faith/belief that someone in the UH system is looking out for the athletic program. that person is plotting, planning scenarios which will provide UH with options and opportunities to be proactive instead of reactive.

    time will prove me right or wrong but I seriously hope in the long run UH is at least in the mix.

  122. koakane October 11, 2011 4:27 pm

    enjoy the evening

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  124. whitey October 11, 2011 4:40 pm

    mikey, i neva no get one of the pulley cars to the yellow. not good place for old people like me.

  125. Shoko October 11, 2011 4:42 pm

    “While rumors continue to swirl around Boise State and a potential invite to the Big East — the New York Post reported that an invitation to Boise State is “imminent” — the Broncos’ football team is trying to prepare for its first Mountain West game.”

    “People are making way too big of a deal about that (Boise State-Big East talk). I was just stating facts on maybe some merits to go or not. I think that’s a long ways off. I think our president and athletic director are looking at every situation,” Boise State football coach Chris Petersen said Tuesday on the weekly Mountain West conference call.”

    “I think the conference we’re in is great, I really do.”


    Okay, I’m confused now.

  126. d1shima October 11, 2011 4:42 pm

    Top CXXVI!

  127. d1shima October 11, 2011 4:43 pm

    …or VII 🙁

  128. d1shima October 11, 2011 4:43 pm

    Wat is all dis end of da Rainbow talk?

  129. whitey October 11, 2011 4:44 pm

    kala, understand your plight. seems that other tsaikos have said the same thing, but nothing has changed. hope your mom and dad get better treatment for the next game.

  130. d1shima October 11, 2011 4:44 pm

    Going come back latah and catch up

  131. whitey October 11, 2011 4:45 pm

    d1, you still wet?????

  132. Slugger October 11, 2011 4:46 pm

    Happy birthday to Darryl McBride! Keep the engine running, guy. Go get ’em!

    Good to hear that the guys who were injured are well enough to travel & possibly play.

    Thanks for the pics, ST!

  133. wafan October 11, 2011 4:48 pm

    Good evening Tsai-kos!

  134. wafan October 11, 2011 4:49 pm

    Pix are a good thing.

    Thank you, Mr. Tsai!

  135. Wes'side Warrior October 11, 2011 4:49 pm

    Mahalo everyone, for the birthday wishes!

    I ate too much tonight. Gonna relax and watch some tv until I fall asleep.

  136. bigislandkurt October 11, 2011 4:50 pm

    The only job that Coach Pete in Boise would even bat an eyelash toward would be the Oregon jobs. And most Boise fans know that. Riley is on the hotseat at OSU, so the possibility is certainly there for Boise’s coach to leave. But why would he? If money was truly his ambition, he would have been gone already. He has a pretty good situation there going in Boise. He is the coach of a juggernaut program that has a NATIONAL PROFILE, regardless of conference affiliation. America (and espn) loves them some Boise state and those Boise folks will mortgage the grandkids to make sure they are able to keep that coach in place for as long as they can. In short, he is not going anywhere.


  137. Wes'side Warrior October 11, 2011 4:50 pm

    Oh, and happy birthday to Kekoa’s and Diana’s little Princess!

  138. wafan October 11, 2011 4:51 pm

    Super news about the ex-wounded Warriors.

    As the WAC’d conference says, “Play Up!”

  139. wilfred yamasawa October 11, 2011 4:51 pm

    Boise is for real,Kellan Moore is the next Johnny Unitas. It’s their system that has been in place for at least ten years. Where do all the players come from? instate/out of state?

    Manoa should have 2 or 3 All American types every year but us no can get the top players, from our own state.Anybody want to help UH Football,if you know any of the families lobby for the home team. UH is doing a great job considering our best is mostly 3stars. So support the program or get out of way

  140. wafan October 11, 2011 4:52 pm

    Happy birthday WW!


  141. cocobean October 11, 2011 4:53 pm

    BSU has a culture of football success. It goes waaay back. There’s total support from all aspects of the community, the man in the street, political bigwigs. leaders of business and Upper Campus. Everyone and everything Boise is geared to helping the football team succeed.

    Petersen didn’t ceate it. He stepped into it and took it to another level.

  142. bigislandkurt October 11, 2011 4:53 pm

    My good bradduh A-Joe! Call me crazy, but I believe Boise could go into any conference right now (sans the SEC) and compete to win it all. If it was truly about having a fluff schedule on their way to the BCS each year, wouldn’t they have chosen to stay in the WAC? I think Boise has taken a page out of Pat Hill’s “Any team, any time, any place” book of scheduling. They want to compete and play good teams because they truly believe that they can win….and most of the time they do. The difference between them and Pat Hill’s teams is that Boise has won. So much that it has the rest of us green with envy. Me included.


  143. wafan October 11, 2011 4:53 pm

    Happy birthday to the Little Princess!

    Whoo-hoo, too!!!

  144. whitey October 11, 2011 4:54 pm

    shoko, interesting read on 126 about academics. some of the other tsaikos mentioed this and also said bsu does not have a phd program.

  145. bigislandkurt October 11, 2011 4:54 pm


    The lil warrior is now up to 10lbs. He got that look in his eye. I’m about to call him Pisa soon. 🙂


  146. cocobean October 11, 2011 4:57 pm

    A better way to describe the fooball culture in Boise is to say EVERYONE there is Tsaiko-like in their support of the program.

  147. A-joe October 11, 2011 5:01 pm

    Boise not going.

  148. wafan October 11, 2011 5:03 pm

    I think the major difference between BSU and UH is that the major and minor players in Boise believe and will do whatever it takes to ensure success.

    In Hawai’i, folks question, believe and do the minimum only when it suits their needs.

  149. Garret October 11, 2011 5:10 pm

    shoko, interesting read on 126 about academics. some of the other tsaikos mentioed this and also said bsu does not have a phd program.

    The Tsaikos that mentioned that were *way* behind the times on what has been going on at Boise State. Their football team makes the news, but they have spent over $100 mil in upgrading their academic side also. They also took some of their less “academic” programs and moved them to a JC in Boise so that the academic standards for their campus would be higher.

    I know that they have PhD programs in at least Electrical and Computer Engineering, Geosciences and Geophysics. They have been fundraising for the capital and salary positions needed to add PhD programs as quickly as they can.

  150. shorebreak October 11, 2011 5:13 pm

    All in or get out otherwise why botha

  151. Garret October 11, 2011 5:13 pm

    Washington State’s AD gave a VERY candid interview where he revealed that the only reason the Pac-10 invited Colorado last year was because they needed to create instability in the Big 12 so that Texas and Texas A&M would go to the Pac-10! The *only* schools that the Pac-10 cared about adding were Texas and Texas A&M, all the other additions were just to get them.

    Apparently he was in on PAC TV meetings while at WSU. TV execs told them Texas was the only school that made a difference for TV money. He said inviting Colorado was purely a strategic move to break up the Big 12 so they could try to get Texas and Texas A&M. When that didn’t go down, they added Utah just to round out to 12.

    There is a link to the actual audio of the interview if you want to hear it yourself in this thread.


  152. A-joe October 11, 2011 5:14 pm

    There is no doubt Boise can play against bigger programs. We can speculate all we want as to why or how Boise chooses to stay or go. We can even pull the latest and greatest article from our favorite online news source, post it here to boast our claims.

    But the fact remains, Boise is not leaving the MWC anytime soon. They don’t have the infrastructure in place to sustain such a move.

    For a program that’s demonstrated it’s intellectual prowess on the Gridiron all these years, moving to another conference now would be a pretty dumbass move.

  153. Garret October 11, 2011 5:14 pm

    The MWC exit fee is $0…from what I’ve read, you just give up your final year’s conference revenue. C-USA has a *very* different exit fee–5 years of TV revenue plus $500k.

    Schools leaving C-USA must pay their annual share of television revenue under dual contracts with Fox Sports Network and CBS Sports for five years and an additional one-time $500,000 fee.


  154. wafan October 11, 2011 5:18 pm


  155. ai-eee-soos October 11, 2011 5:25 pm

    Great picture of Alex Dunnachie kicking-off. Hope he gets a chance to show what he can do.

    2nd to last pic.

  156. Garret October 11, 2011 5:28 pm

    BYU has apparently turned down the Big 12 for now, but hopes to join a conference sometime in the future.

    At least one source reported on Tuesday evening that BYU had told the Big 12 Conference that they were staying independent and not interested in joining the Big 12…that is only partially true.

    The LDS Church has for some time wanted independence to be free to play in various regions across the country, without the geographical limits a conference schedule would put on their athletic programs. Now that they have that independence, there is a significant push from the LDS Church to honor existing contracts, both with the teams on their upcoming schedules and the bowls that BYU has agreements with.

    I am told tonight by a source very close to the program that “this is no way a permanent situation”, and that the BYU administration is “very well aware of the changes going on in intercollegiate athletics, and will revisit the possibilities of a conference affiliation in the future.”


  157. ai-eee-soos October 11, 2011 5:29 pm

    Congratulations Kawika; you’ve earned it through your relentless hard work.

    1st picture.

    ” .. • Kawika Borden, who has recovered from hip and ankle injuries to emerge as a dynamic special-team player, has been added to the 64-player travel roster. … “

  158. A-joe October 11, 2011 5:44 pm

    The MWC has an exit fee in place.

    If Air Force leaves the Mountain West for the Big East, it will be the first league school to pay an exit fee. That fee is expected to be about $5 million.

    After Utah, BYU and then TCU gave notice they were leaving in the summer and fall of 2010 with no more than a wave goodbye, the league’s board of directors revised the bylaws in June.

    Now, any member resigning before June 30 of the year prior to departure, as Utah did, will forfeit its final year of league revenue. If the June 30 deadline is not met, the departing member is liable for the greater of $5 million or double the annual revenue. The revenue includes TV distributions, NCAA basketball tournament credits and any BCS distribution.


  159. whitey October 11, 2011 5:47 pm

    am looking at a college mag which has approximately the amount of students as uh. they started a 10 yr campaign for the new millenium to raise 700 million. they closed it last year raising 867+ million. 118,742 doors gave $867,450,460.00. WOW!!!!!! they used 250 volunteers and made 13 milllion phone calls throughout the usa. the athletic dept was the third largest money, $89.6 million. during this period they had 37,215 new donors. this is another WOW!!!!

  160. d1shima October 11, 2011 6:43 pm


    Turned out nice today. Nevah get wet at all…just sea spray! 😉

  161. d1shima October 11, 2011 6:45 pm

    Hopefully the Warriors have a great day of game prep tomorrow

  162. izzy October 11, 2011 6:48 pm

    RE: “This might be the good ol’ days”

    Does Mr. Tsai already know Tsomething?

  163. al October 11, 2011 7:02 pm

    ajoe…is it right that the air force academy, which is supported by tax payer dollars is allowed to just toss 5 mil?

  164. HawaiiMongoose October 11, 2011 7:04 pm

    It’s still quite possible that Missouri will go to the SEC and the Big 12 will backfill with Louisville, Cincinnati and West Virginia. That will pull the rug out from under the Big East’s grand expansion plan. They will be left with UConn, Rutgers and USF and will have to add a minimum of five new all-sports members. Their best available all-sports choices will be UCF, Temple, ECU, Houston and SMU; if Houston and SMU decide to pass, they’ll have to resort to two from among Memphis, UAB, Southern Mississippi and Marshall.

    You could probably add Alabama to that group and it wouldn’t keep AQ status. I can’t see BSU putting its football team there. Navy might decline too, and that would cause Air Force to pass. In short, any threat to the MWC could disappear in the next couple of days if the SEC makes its move.

  165. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 11, 2011 7:23 pm


    perception may be that AF/service academies athletics is paid for in whole by taxpayers money but that’s not totally true.

    The Naval Academy Athletic Association and Air Force Academy Athletic Association are the funding arms for those respective schools. They get their money from tickets sold, concessions etc.

    i doubt that the AF academy “upper campus” will foot the $5,000,000 bill. it will have to come out of the Association.

  166. 花蓮旅遊 October 11, 2011 7:25 pm

    Keep the faith, my Internet friend, You are a first-class writer and deserve to be heard.

  167. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 11, 2011 7:26 pm

    As a fan of Hawaii and hoping for stability in the conference we are moving into next season, I hope that the SEC takes Mizzou.

  168. Garret October 11, 2011 7:51 pm


    I stand corrected. I should have remembered that $5 mil exit fee, that was a good thing that the MWC did.

  169. Garret October 11, 2011 7:54 pm


    I really do hope that the Big 12 raids the Big East, as that will solve a lot of problems for the MWC.

    In my opinion, Missouri’s decision really isn’t important. If Missouri goes to the SEC, then the Big 12 may replace them with a Big East school. If Missouri doesn’t go to the SEC, then the SEC may take a Big East team (West Virginia). Either way, Missouri’s decision could result in 1 Big East team being taken.

  170. Shoko October 11, 2011 7:58 pm

    It’s all about leverage. Big 12 has it and the Big East doesn’t.

  171. Garret October 11, 2011 8:01 pm

    I think that the big variable isn’t Missouri…it is whether or not the Big 12 wants to stay at 10 teams or go to 12. If the Big 12 stops at 10 teams, the Big East will probably remain strong. In fact, if the Big 12 takes Louisville, the Big East’s AQ numbers might actually get stronger.

    Two major considerations:

    1. If BYU isn’t going to the Big 12, then that leaves one more space that the Big 12 might fill with a Big East team.

    2. The Big 12’s TV contract actually discourages them from going to 12 teams. ESPN owns their Tier 1 rights which includes the conference title game. ESPN told the Big 12 that they would pay the Big 12 the same whether or not they had a title game. So, if the Big 12 goes to 12 teams, they have to split the money with more schools without getting a single penny for the title game’s TV rights.

    The Big 12 won’t get any extra money for a title game until they renegotiate their Tier 1 TV rights…and that contract has 4 more football seasons to run. Given how things are going with TV rights, the Big 12 could expand to 12 in time for that contract negotiations and get 3x their current money. That is why the 6-year pledge ties everyone until after the TV contract is renegotiated…after the TV money goes to $30 mil/school, they won’t have to worry about defections.

  172. al October 11, 2011 8:04 pm

    iwwthm…however, the perception by the public would still put egg on some general’s face. especially when so many don’t even have a roof over their heads nor a hot meal in their belly.

  173. Liz Kauai (macbook) October 11, 2011 8:04 pm

    Hi wilfred! Long time!

  174. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 11, 2011 8:08 pm


    that’s true. often times perception is reality, at least in the political world anyway. and last time i checked, academies and DOD have to go before Senate/House committees to beg for money.

  175. Garret October 11, 2011 8:08 pm

    No matter what Missouri decides, they will play in the Big 12 next season. Is the problem that Missouri cannot decide or is the problem that the Missouri doesn’t have the votes to get into the SEC but no other candidate does either?

    The Big 12 will operate as a 10-member league, including TCU and Missouri, for the 2012-13 school year, interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said in a Tuesday teleconference.

    The league’s configuration after that, Neinas said, will depend on what decision Missouri administrators make on the school’s future conference affiliation.


  176. Garret October 11, 2011 8:10 pm

    The Big East will pay Air Force much more money than the MWC does. Under the new TV contract that the Big East will get, Air Force will come out more than $5 mil ahead from what they would have gotten from the MWC.

    In other words, Air Force isn’t going to be grilled over that $5 mil exit fee. So many MWC schools would happily pay that fee also.

  177. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 11, 2011 8:16 pm

    What I am dying to see is what a conference made up of CUSA schools + 2 service academies will command on the TV market.

    Worst case scenario is WV, Louis, Cincy leaving for the Big 12.

    Does the Big East expect to get the same kind of money with so many of the core FB teams gone?

    Or is the Big East going to give some of its basketball money to FB-only members too?

  178. Garret October 11, 2011 8:18 pm

    I mentioned yesterday about how ESPN told the ACC to raid the Big East after the Big East rejected ESPN’s contract offer. CBS Sports has an interesting conspiracy theory article.

    The resulting stories have been eye-opening — none more than a report in this weekend’s Boston Globe that featured the following quote from Boston College athletic director Gene DeFilippo on the subject of the ACC’s decision to poach Syracuse and Pittsburgh from the Big East: “We always keep our television partners close to us. … TV — ESPN — is the one who told us what to do.”

    Is this surprising?

    Absolutely not — because there’s been speculation for months that the Big East sealed its fate last May when it rejected a nine-year, $1.4 billion television contract from ESPN. Long story not so long, the Big East decided it would rather open up bidding to NBC and Fox than accept that deal from ESPN, meaning the Big East was probably going to sign a deal with NBC or Fox, meaning NBC or Fox likely was on the verge of gaining a relevant share of the college sports landscape, and that’s not something ESPN (or anybody in ESPN’s position of power) would have liked.


  179. kev-1 October 11, 2011 8:20 pm

    ST . . . The heading to your picture of Harding and Funaki should have read “two old farts.” Are they about the same age? Maybe Funaki is a year or two older?

  180. Garret October 11, 2011 8:22 pm

    ESPN may be trying to destroy the Big East because NBC and Fox would love to bid on the Big East contract. Having more than 1 bidder will drive up the value of the Big East’s TV deal. They may not get the $1.4 bil that ESPN offered…but they will get many, many times the $%^# contract that the MWC is stuck with now.

    The MWC’s TV contract has been seriously underpaying them for years. Taking away all outside TV rights drove BYU away and may eliminate UH’s PPV. They should have been getting much more money, which would have helped them build their programs and would help UH starting next year.

  181. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 11, 2011 8:23 pm

    I want to commend Army for its latest comments on how they aren’t interested in moving to the Big LEast. Hard to believe that there actually is a school out there that cares about the student athlete above buying snake oil from a man named Marinatto.

    “Right now we are happy where we are and happy what were doing,” Corrigan said on Thursday’s MetroNews Talk Line. “Our mission is ultimately to produce leaders of character to lead the United States Army. We think our best position is where we are right now.”


  182. kev-1 October 11, 2011 8:25 pm

    A-joe . . . Boise going, or what?

    haha, I like how you keep dropping “Boise not going.” You’re awesome.

  183. al October 11, 2011 8:26 pm

    okay…i blame all this money driven bcs musical chairs on one thing.

    one thing developed by two brothers that is the root of all this evil power mongering.

    the wright brothers had they not developed the aircraft is responsible for all this.

    had we no means for air travel, teams would be relegated to geographically located conference alignments.

    this just proves that two (w)rights can make a wrong.

    …nuff said.

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    You are looking at a quote from the Denver Post about the Big East scenarios? Sure Air Force wants Army to join, but the Big East and Army seemed to have understood a long time ago that Army wasn’t going to join.

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    SMU or Houston

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    Central Florida



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    Air Force






    I can quote the NY Post (I think I posted that on this blog yesterday) and probably 6 other newspapers that show Big East’s priorities and division options…and they all leave out Army. Many of these were published *before* Army came out and said they weren’t interested in the Big East.

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    Posting 10 published scenarios for the Big East that all do not include Army would definitely be overkill for this blog. I hope that those 3 qualify as *published*. One thing to note is that the newspapers located in Big East areas are the ones NOT mentioning Army while the Denver Post quotes Air Force’s AD as being the Army interest.

    And if you actually study what Air Force’s AD was saying, he was acknowledging that Army was NOT in the plans for Big East’s expansion due to lack of interest by Army.

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    Umm ok, I dont know why this is even worth arguing about but fine. I guess they don’t list the divisions out like you have listed above, but the Washington Post does call ALL 3 service Academies in the Big LEast a “scenario”.

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    Question 1: How many members of a conference does it take to secure a binding exit/solidarity clause?

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    Question 2: Would the Big 12 care if the Big LEast exit clause went up from 27 months to 3-4 years and $30M?

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    I also was specifically referring to newspapers local to Big East teams…what Big East team is located in DC?

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