Training days

Football players with college or pro aspirations won’t have to travel very far to train.

Former NFL players Chris Kemoeatu and Ma‘ake Kemoeatu will be opening a 6,000-square-foot training facility next week in a complex near Windward Mall.

Anthony Piroli, who has trained several Pittsburgh Steelers, will be the facility’s conditioning coordinator.

There will be programs designed for youths through pro players. One of the specialities will be helping former college players prepare for combines and pro days.

* * * * *

“Forrest Gump” was produced for $55 million. It earned about $677 million in box-office receipts. Its net profit was nada. According to “Hollywood accounting,” the film “lost” money. That’s important to Winston Groom, whose book inspired the movie. Groom opted to have his royalty share derive mostly from the film’s profits, which, according to the bean-counters, was zip.

As long as the Stan Sheriff Center electricity works during events and coaches continue to get raises and construction continues, it’s difficult to grasp that the athletic department is in a financial hole. I’m sure projections more than six months from when the fiscal-year books close are accurate, I suppose, but like poorly dubbed kung fu movies, the words and actions aren’t synchronized.


  1. Makai December 19, 2013 8:23 am


  2. postmanke December 19, 2013 8:25 am

    Game Changer

  3. Buffoman December 19, 2013 8:36 am

    Wow, that’s terrific. I hope that they can make it work financially for them in their post-pro careers.

  4. Marleysdad December 19, 2013 8:39 am

    Top 5! YAY

    Good morning!

  5. DoubleBB December 19, 2013 8:40 am

    Any “short list” of coaches being considered? ST I know we’ve never met face to face but I’m sure you and my wife probably brushed elbows in the Christmas shopping rush. JK, yeah I’m off from work till the New Year – happy holidays everyone!

  6. Kukui High School December 19, 2013 8:41 am

    Top 10!


    GO NUTS!!!

  7. (Jesse)James December 19, 2013 8:41 am

    Top 5.

    Good morning Tsaikos!!!

    Wow…nice to hear. I wish we had something like that when we were in high school….

    Like Buffoman said, hope they can make a go of it financially.

  8. (Jesse)James December 19, 2013 8:42 am

    Ok…well, top ten…. LOL

  9. Stephen Tsai December 19, 2013 8:45 am

    I know Chad Ikei does a good job, too.
    It’s good to have more options. I never understood why players had to go away to train to run the 40.
    Gary Beemer and Tommy Heffernan also will train former UH athletes for free.

  10. tommui December 19, 2013 8:47 am


    RE: Forrest Gump – understand that the Hollywood accounting can be “creative”.

  11. AllG December 19, 2013 8:52 am

    When does signing period for JUCO players end? Do you expect us to sign and other early enrollees?

  12. Stephen Tsai December 19, 2013 8:53 am

    UH’s budget is, what, $36 million? How the heck do you spend $36 million? I remember people used to grumble about McKackin’s $1.1 million annual salary. But that still left UH with $34.9 million a year. How the heck do you spend $34.9 million a year?

  13. Stephen Tsai December 19, 2013 8:55 am

    UH is a non-profit organization, right? I mean, it must be, if you get a tax credit if you donate. Does that mean that it is taxed very little or not at all for ticket revenue?

  14. A-House December 19, 2013 8:56 am


    Forest Gump – cost $55 million – income $677 million – net income = zero!

    being a business grad with an Econ minor, how U figga? $622 million just disappeared?

    Wish I could do that with my “tax” obligations!!!!!!!!

    as Tom suggested, “creative accounting”

  15. Stephen Tsai December 19, 2013 8:57 am

    There are potential transfers who have contacted UH. Not sure if everything can be worked out before the start of the spring semester. I don’t know whether UH is open during the holiday break.

  16. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 9:02 am

    13. Doing boola work at the moment, so I’m unable to provide the link, but Forbes has a great article on the most profitable and valuable college athletic programs. So, as a point of context and also, so that we have an acute awareness of scale, folks most be cognizant that the top 25 athletic programs have budgets in excess of 100 million. Thus, relative to even the average size D1 athletic budget, our program is not very large. That said, it is of no surprise, that the two most valuable programs are Texas and Alabama.

  17. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 19, 2013 9:03 am


    A long read but it gives a little insight into how UHAD spends the $$$. It doesn’t give a line-by-line breakdown though.

  18. Kukui High School December 19, 2013 9:04 am

    i think that it should also be said that there are other sports that do not bring in any revenue and only add to the overall costs of the athletic department. When was the last time any of us went to a tennis match or a swimming meet? Just sayin’.

  19. A-House December 19, 2013 9:08 am

    IIRC, Aloha Stadium was built for UH football after “termite palace” was torn down.

    Yet, the Stadium Authority, for years, since 1975 when the first game was played, gave very little of its income to UHAD and had them pay rent, some say $800,000/yr, but allow high school football to play for free – believe only charge for clean up crew

    Now, UHAD, is thinking of closing selected sections for UH games, but anticipate nearly same revenues with less clean up expense ( unless cleaning company decides to increase its fees ) – will stadium authority hold back any anticipated “hand-out” to UH?

    Cost of food/drink at Aloha Stadium is outrageous!! some will justify by saying that’s what the mainland venues charge – so, if they jump into the fire, you going jump too! ho, ho, this is not the mainland!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Conversely, some of mainland stadiums allow filled water bottles into the site; we still cannot do that at Aloha Stadium

    Remember, in Nakamura vs City & county of Honolulu, the Hawaii Supreme Court ruled that if security personnel search one person, they MUST search ALL; no exceptions!!!!!!! I did point this out to the Stadium Authority about 5 years ago.

  20. Shoko December 19, 2013 9:10 am

    Winston Groom apparently had a very good agent/attorney. 😉

  21. A-House December 19, 2013 9:11 am


    open or not, do the football coaches also go on X-mas break for 2-3 weeks? what about the other UH coaches – except basketball?

  22. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 9:12 am

    15. Looks like another strike out for the team then….. 1st we miss the boat on Mustafaa, then we were supposed to sign 5 JC kids, now probably going to miss out on possible transfers….

    As of right now,

    1. We are left with basically no QB competition. We all know that Woolsey is going to win the job unless someone else comes in. Going All In or as some say Go for Broke on unproven potential.

    2. We have no depth at RB. The minute Joey Iosefa leaves the field, production at RB drops drastically. I expect St Juste to get a lot better but Iosefa is a senior and gets hurt often. Thought a mid year work horse RB would have been nice.

    3. We are still thin at corner. Quality wise.

    4. We are thin at LB.

    5. Question marks at safety besides Marrell Jackson

    Got some heavy work to do…..

  23. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 9:17 am

    22. My two add-on points to my comment above, is to that are fiscal situation is exacerbated by high travel costs, coupled with not owning our own stadium. From an accounting perspective, by not having an equity position in the stadium, UH fails to realize tax benefits of deprecation and interest.

  24. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 9:19 am

    24. I’m equally concerned about the depth, but moreover the quality of our corners.

  25. gobows December 19, 2013 9:27 am

    here’s the breakdown on forrest gump:

    Released last July, Paramount Pictures’ “Forrest Gump” has grossed
    over $657 million at box offices around the world. That’s not counting
    videocassette and sound-track revenues. It’s before licensing fees on
    such products as “Forrest Gump” wristwatches, Ping-Pong paddles and
    cookbooks. Larry Gerbrandt, a senior analyst with Paul Kagan
    Associates, figures “Gump” could generate up to $350 million in cash
    flow for Paramount’s parent, Viacom, Inc.

    But, believe it or not, the film lost money. That’s right. By
    Hollywood standards it “lost” money, $62 million through Dec 31, 1994.

    How do you show a loss on one of the most profitable Hollywood
    properties of all time? You get yourself a Hollywood accountant.
    Here’s what they cooked up for this movie through Dec. 31, according
    to a confidential net profit statement:

    After splitting the box office take with the theater owners, about
    50-50, Paramount received $191 million in gross Gump receipts. Right
    off the top Paramount keeps for itself something called a
    “distribution fee” equal to 32% of the gross. What exactly is this
    distribution fee? It’s not really to cover the costs of getting the
    movie out and to the public. That’s covered with a separate category
    called “distribution expense,” which includes advertising, making
    prints, holding screenings, throwing a premiere party, transporting
    and storing film reels. Paramount claimed these expenses came to some
    $67 million.

    No, the “distribution fee” isn’t for these things. It’s just a
    rake-off by Paramount; almost pure profit. In this case, $61.6 million
    through the end of the year.

    Paramount tacked on another charge: an advertising “overhead” fee
    equal to 10% of the distribution expenses. Again, this is not an
    expense at all, just another way of siphoning off some profits.
    Another $6.7 million.

    Okay, add up all the “distribution” charges and they come to $135
    million. But so far we haven’t allowed anything for the cost of making
    the damned thing. That was $112 million–“negative costs,” the
    Hollywood bean counters call them.

    Does that sound like a lot of money to shoot a flick? Well, actor Tom
    Hanks and director Robert Zemeckis each got around $20 million of that
    $112 million (with more to come).

    Paramount got into the act here, too. Included in “negative costs” is
    $14.5 million for studio “overhead,” a charge equal to 15% of the cost
    of making the film. And, of course, it wanted to be paid for the money
    tied up in making the film. That added a separate $6 million on
    “interest on negative costs.” Pierce O’Donnell, the lawyer who
    represents humorist Art Buchwald in a similar dispute with Paramount,
    calls this “fictitious interest on money never borrowed.”

    With this kind of bookkeeping, anyone can lose money. Sure enough,
    Paramount claimed Gump lost $62 million through year’s end.

    Does anyone lose by this fanciful bookkeeping? Indeed. In the Forrest
    Gump case the losers include Winston Groom, who created the Forrest
    Gump character when he published his 1986 novel of the same name, and
    screenwriter Eric Roth. These two signed standard Hollywood contracts
    that promised them a percentage of Forrest Gump’s net profits. Their
    mistake was that they didn’t get to define what constituted “net.”

    Performer Hanks and director Robert Zemeckis were wiser in the ways of
    filmtown. Their contracts guaranteed each of them an estimated 8% of
    Gump’s gross receipts–receipts, not profits.

    In 1988, Art Buchwald sued Paramount, claiming the studio’s 1988
    blockbuster “Coming to America” was Buchwald’s idea and that he and
    his producer, Alain Bernheim, were entitled to 19% of the film’s net
    profits. After the court agreed with Buchwald, Paramount announced
    that it owed Buchwald nothing because Coming to America had lost

  26. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 9:27 am

    24. Exactly… We may have numbers… But the quality of our players at LB and corner are a concern. You hear the coaches constantly preach that we need “depth” at all positions….

    We really have 2 LBs on the field we know can play at a high level. Gener and JGW. I saw glimpses of Lataimua against Army but I can’t say proven yet. The other guys who mix in lack speed and play making ability.

    Depending on if Trayvon moves to Safety, we have 2 corners currently who started that would rank towards the bottom of the conference as far as starters go. We had to have lead the conference in big plays allowed…

    I guess the good news is we seem to be doing well at the Line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

  27. Former UH Athlete December 19, 2013 9:27 am

    NCAA FBS recruiting calendar…

    1st Day of Signing Period starts February 5, 2014

    –According to calendar, we are in a recruiting dead period now until January 15 unless a mid year transfer has signed LOI and admitted for spring semester. **Not that it stops less than ethical coaches.

  28. Former UH Athlete December 19, 2013 9:29 am

    Mid-year JC Transfer signing period is Dec. 18 through Jan. 15.

  29. kifi December 19, 2013 9:30 am

    Jeff Ulbrich. ST coach of the year.

  30. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 9:31 am

    28. Not expecting to sign anyone without being able to bring in for a visit during the mid year period…. Only phone calls.. Would be hard to convince a kid over the phone…. Unless the recruit has no options…

  31. Shoko December 19, 2013 9:32 am

    Chris Petersen is taking Boise’s QB coach and hiring former Boise OC Brent Pease to part of Huskies coaching staff.

    Boise State’s Harsin hired TA&M co-DC to be the new DC and Stanford’s QB and RB coach to be the new OC.

    It sounds like both Petersen and Harsin are going with the pro-style offense.

  32. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 9:40 am

    26-Jeezy, I saw only one game in person and viewed 3 others taped. But, from what I saw, their skills were more analogous to zone corners. Unfortunately, many of our schemes required man-on coverage. Worse even, is that were also beaten when in zone defenses. Hence, we need to improve …greatly!

  33. Former UH Athlete December 19, 2013 9:42 am

    26. I’m not as down on defensive talent as you. I think many of their issues were schematic/strategic problems. TK had way too much confidence in Nequan and Maggitt. I think NeQuan can play at a high level, but he’s just not consistent enough to be on an island as much as TK left him.

    If the new DC can just put guys in the right coverage, and not make it so easy to predict, the secondary will look much better regardless of who’s playing.

  34. Rite80 December 19, 2013 9:44 am

    If UH ran the stadium it would still be responsible for the maintenence costs when it uses the stadium which should be about the same UH is paying now since the stadium is not making a profit. UH though will be stuck with running the stadium and lobbying the legislature for the tens of millions in repair work which must be done. And let’s remember no stadium across the country makes money. Most stay afloat because taxpayers keep it afloat. Running Aloha Stadium is not a solution for UH’s budget woes.

  35. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 9:45 am

    32.. I agree with you…. If we do run man, our corners don’t have the speed to cover 1 on 1. I think Wyoming game was proof.

  36. jm2375 December 19, 2013 9:48 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Mr. A-house – considering the mvb season starts Jan 2, I don’t think Charlie Wade and the team are taking a break.

    boola – #23 – deprecation or depreciation? After almost 40 years, it hasn’t depreciated to 0 yet?

  37. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 9:49 am

    As a clarification, Nmandi and Revis are prime examples of great man corners, while Ronde Barber and Asanta as a great zone cover corners.

  38. gobows December 19, 2013 9:49 am

    lowes senior class awards:

    idk, volleyball has 7 starters, but only 5 are named to the 1st and 2nd teams.

    emily hartong made the 2nd team.

  39. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 9:50 am

    33. I agree with you there. But at the same time, you need to be at least 5 deep at corner and the guys behind them haven’t shown much yet either besides Trayvon Henderson. We lose Charles Clay and Hardy Tuliau who were both below average safeties using the measuring stick of other safeties in the MWC. We are all hoping Ewaliko is going to be the guy…. But he is still a freshman. I give up praying Tigi Hill gets his academics together and makes it to Hawaii.

  40. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 9:51 am

    Depreciation–not sure where they are on amortirization.

  41. Former UH Athlete December 19, 2013 9:54 am

    31.. Harsin/Pease ran a physical run style offense. Multiple TEs and formations. For their run game, they really didn’t have a wide variety of run plays… they ran a handful of plays out of many different formations. The vast majority of their runs were in the A and B gaps.

    The hallmark of their great run with Moore and Co featured a lot of formation shifting. It was a clever way to get the defense to tip their coverage.

    For example, Boise would line up I formation, 2TE… then shift to a single RB trips. As the offense fans out to the actual play formation, the defense is forced to communicate their assignments if playing man, or spread more evenly if in zone. Once the defense shows their hand, Boise could make adjustments if needed.

    I saw a BSU game this year and they don’t shift nearly as much as they used to when Harsin/Pease were there.

  42. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 9:55 am

    37. The bigger issue for me this year was still the LB play. We got gashed in the middle of the field and our LBs couldn’t cover anybody. I thought Laurel and Daley had very poor seasons. It worries me that whoever plays inside next year aren’t any better than them considering they wouldn’t beat those 2 out. As of right now, I’m thinking we have Drake Miller, Julian Gener, and Vita Lataimua inside. Fonua needs to step up but lacks speed… Would have preferred to sign someone to replace what Darzil Washington would have brought. Speed at LB position.

  43. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 9:58 am

    By the way, when is Ben Jay going to focus more on how to raise money versus cutting back on things to save a few pennies??? He hasn’t done a thing yet for this university as far as raising funds…

  44. Rite80 December 19, 2013 10:00 am

    The defense was hurt by bad schemes, mental errors and being on the field too long for the first three quarters of the game. Chow’s offense hurt the defense big time statistically. What nearly everyone fails to understand is the last minute offensive pushes were the result of the defense making critical stops in the fourth quarter. And the defense for the most part was doing this throughout most of the game while Chow’s offense struggled for most of the game. The offense is not nearly ready enough to get to a bowl game next year unless we see seriously improvement. With no coaching changes on the offensive side of the ball so far, the challenge to improve seems daunting.

  45. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:02 am

    44. Apparently you didn’t watch the final 4 games of the season. There were no last minute offense that inflated the stats…. The offense didn’t hurt the defense in those games…

  46. PaulCrewe December 19, 2013 10:08 am

    Overall shared governance at UH means the words and actions aren’t synchronized. The result is money is not spent as much as it is “wasted” without accountability. The wonderblunder is just a small example.

  47. Rite80 December 19, 2013 10:11 am


    Apparently you didn’t watch the first eight games of the season and the Utah State game. I prefer to judge the teams performance by not just watching UH play the horrible teams.

  48. PurpleMaple December 19, 2013 10:11 am

    All very interesting.

  49. Rite80 December 19, 2013 10:13 am


    And we should include the SDSU game too. Can’t just judge the season on the Wyoming and Army games.

  50. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:14 am

    47. I did watch the whole season… But you can’t blame the offense for the final 4 games of the season….

    Based on the WHOLE season, the Hawaii offense was average…. And I judge it with Iosefa in the line up…. Didn’t expect them to move the ball against USC or Oregon St.

    Based on the WHOLE season, the Hawaii defense was awful…. I’m not going to blame the offense for the horrible D because even when the offense was good, the D still played bad. So if the D plays bad when the offense sucks and the D plays bad when the offense is good, then it doesn’t matter much…

    You just said you prefer to judge teams performance by not watching horrible teams… So what does that tell you when Hawaii can’t stop these horrible teams??? Umm yeah case closed..

  51. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:15 am

    49… Genius… SDSU was included in the final 4 games…. there was 0 inflated stats there… Come on… I don’t know how you get Army and Wyoming from the term final 4 games..

  52. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 10:16 am

    I’m not per se advocating for a UH funded stadium, but it’s untrue that they cannot be run to operate in the black. Texas memorial stadium is operated via UT, and profitable. At this juncture, I would say, the only entity that has both the resources and liquidity to finance such an endeavor is KS. Obviously, it would have to meet both the objectives of the trust and fulfill its fiduciary obligations–but in terms of solely assets, they could swing a deal.

  53. papajoe2 December 19, 2013 10:20 am

    Chow is a given this year. After next year, if the team doesn’t improve and continue to lose fans, how much will buy out be. Or does he have a buy out clause after 3 years?

  54. AlaWai December 19, 2013 10:21 am

    #29 Kifi’s post also shows a video of Coach Dino Babers bidding farewell to his players.

  55. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:24 am

    53. That’s why I prefer Chow to swing for the fences right NOW and do whatever it takes to win now…

    It’s nice to recruit some kids who will go on a mission and come back in 2 years or a few guys you expect to redshirt and grey shirt….. But you might not have a job in 2 years so if it were me, I would be patching up some immediate holes now with some JC guys who can come in and start from day 1 in areas we aren’t strong at.

  56. jonj December 19, 2013 10:24 am

    right on rite80! The end of 2012 season ended the sameway as this season. And people are jumping aboard the “offense is good” bandwagon again (jeezy specifically). He makes like we didn’t lose Defensive players throughout the season or players werent beatup becuz The defense couldn’t get off the field. They fail to realize the SDSU game both yap and Woodard were injured in the 2nd half (don’t forget samia in the Navy game).

  57. Buffoman December 19, 2013 10:26 am

    ….and here we go again!

  58. Leron December 19, 2013 10:30 am

    Re: DBs
    With all the new receivers, does this move Kwamane Bowens back to defense? Kawika Borden had some growing pains at Safety but made the hit of the year in the SDSU game. Anthony Pierce got some time in the backfield, so hoping his experience leads to improved performance on the field. Barry Higdon had a season to bulk up, so he could be in the mix too, but remember, both he and Ewaliko will be playing their first year of college football. Josh Donovan and Damien Packer spent time on special teams last year.

  59. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:30 am

    56. OMG not this troll again…. Find where I said the offense was good???? nice try..

  60. jonj December 19, 2013 10:31 am

    and when your 2nd to last in offensive scoring in the MW. That means you automatically lose unless you have an above average DC!

  61. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:31 am

    Do we really need to hear injury excuses for Hawaii giving up 100 points in the final 2 games against so called awful teams??

  62. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:33 am

    60. Good thing you never gamble because handicappers use yards over scoring when judging a offense. Turnovers and missed FGs are a stat that could go either way…

  63. gobows December 19, 2013 10:35 am


    its the same old bullchit song and dance. all talk and no results. herman frazier was brought in for his outstanding fund raising and did absolutely nothing. #hawaiiproblems

  64. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:40 am

    Nevada ranks 6 in MWC at 429 yards a game
    Hawaii ranks 11 at 416 yards a game

    Lets be real that 13 yards a game is what makes Hawaii a awful….

  65. jonj December 19, 2013 10:49 am

    lets be real and say that “who gives a crap about yards…its about the score on the board in the end”

  66. jonj December 19, 2013 10:51 am

    I did pretty well gambling in vegas! was there for 6 months. Did much better than FUHA! haha

  67. AllG December 19, 2013 10:59 am

    I think we will be okay at corner, but if Tigi Hill doesn’t make it in I am worried about our depth at safety. Ne’Quan needs to work on his speed more than anything in the off season and we need Higdon or the new JUCO to win the job on the other side. Maggit and Pierce would be better suited as nickel corners. We could definitely use that Ulbrich or Pisa type playmaker at MLB. But our season next year as always will come down to QB play. Can Woolsey make the jump this offseason without bringing in JUCO competition is a big risk.

  68. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 11:01 am

    65. That’s why you continuously contradict everything you say…. You go from complaining about 3 and outs, to yards don’t matter… To it is all about the points….. To good offenses give the defense good morale… Never ending…

    If it is all about the points, then you need to swallow it when Hawaii fumbles the ball and opposing team scores a TD on the defense…. Because those “points” reflect the defense… When SS throws a pick 6 in the red zone or gets sacked and gives up a scoop and score, that is not on the offense sucking… That is on SS making a horrible play. Which also reflects the defense according to you because its about “points”.

    When anyone grades a offense or defense out, you use yards…. But I’m not going to try and educate a stubborn old man that doesn’t wanna learn…

  69. AllG December 19, 2013 11:01 am

    TE is another position that lacks depth or a playmaker! Not sure why the TE coach was not fired with the other two coaches, but he hasn’t recruited well or developed anyone at the position.

  70. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 11:03 am

    Some people are just blind and mistake the term improved when I talk about SS or the offense versus being good…

    The offense was average and improved from day 1 to end of season…

    The defense was horrible and regressed from day 1 to end of season….

    I hope that’s pretty clear cut..

  71. PaulCrewe December 19, 2013 11:05 am

    Chris Peterson: That’s the trick in this whole thing. Everybody gets excited about a job or a university, if you’re a recruit. I don’t think it’s any different, whether you’re a coach or a player trying to figure out where you’re going. The fit has to be really perfect. That’s when the magic happens.

    “If it’s not, save yourself a lot of headaches. I just feel like most places and people don’t go great homework on either side of the fence, and that’s where you see a lot of times when you don’t get the right fit. Then it doesn’t work for anybody.”…..

    It’s not about throwing a name or a label out there and saying ‘Who’s the biggest name out there we can get?’ Everybody thinks like that for some reason. It’s really not like that. It might be someone that’s so much lower profile than the names everybody’s talking about.

    “You see a guy get hired and they’re like, ‘That’s the perfect guy!’ Or somebody else guys hired and they say, ‘What are they doing?’ Half the time, the perfect fit doesn’t work out in everybody’s mind, and the guy they didn’t think was good knocks it out of the park.”

    Chow must take his time and get the perfect fit if he wants to remain the HC.

  72. WarYours December 19, 2013 11:19 am

    What’s the name of the Kemoeatu training facility?

  73. SteveM December 19, 2013 11:23 am

    Good morning everyone!

    Hmmm, I’m grumpy today after reading the hard copy StarAdvertiser sports section front page. Another report of a $million plus loss this year. Of course, this is after refusing a $650K gross road game which would utilize Hawaii’s 13th game exemption.

    Then, considering closing the upper (red and yellow) sections of Aloha stadium to save some cleanup money. Two years ago, I had season ticket 50 yard line seats in yellow under the huge roof that actually works in the rain. OK, technically it was 49 yard line seats…but if those seats are taken away from me and I must find seats elsewhere–who’s going to give up their 50 yard line seats in blue section so I can have a similar view and game experience? Apply this seat displacement to all the sideline seats.

    I wonder if those who would make the closure decision have actually sat in the various seats at the stadium for a game? A certain sense of value for location would develop.

  74. boolakanaka December 19, 2013 11:28 am

    67: Not sure, if a DB can, per se, work on his functional speed. Your speed is your speed, unless you are overweight or not in shape. Now, that said, you can go back and see what your technique and angles look like, and see if you can make correction in those areas. But, again, unless fat and lazy, never saw anyone get appreciable faster in the off-season.

  75. cocobean December 19, 2013 11:31 am

    #63, #43. I think people should give BJ the benefit of the doubt for now. He’s the first AD we’ve had in a long time to look at the books and understand what he sees. One of my friends who is a small business owner said he was impressed when he met BJ at a meet and greet held for people like himself.

    I can understand a few people being miffed on his flip flop between Warriors and Rainbow Warriors but I really feel he’s paying for the sins of his predecessors. JJ didn’t leave on his watch nor did he hire Mack or Chow. He was hired after the Wonder fiasco.

    BJ and the UHAD is an easy target for fan dissatification whenever their teams are not winning.

  76. papajoe2 December 19, 2013 11:32 am

    SteveM, with the way the last 2 seasons went, I think that if the season ticket holders in the red and yellow seats, have to change their seats, some of them may not renew the tickets, thinking that now would be a god time to end it. This is compounded by the negativity that happens at the UH, with losing money with buyouts, Wonder Blunder, etc..

  77. cocobean December 19, 2013 11:38 am

    #74. When Rich Miano first started his speed and quickness camp he held himself as an example of how hard work and disciplined training could transform a walk on into a 10 year NFL DB.

    But then again Rich was known to “embelish” a story here and there.

  78. gobows December 19, 2013 11:44 am


    typical bonehead decisions that are overly abundant in hawaii.

    why don’t they charge a fee from the concessions? they are the primary source of the trash (except for mine, i smuggle in food since i cant find the chicken plate they had in the jj era)

    just wondering, where did you sit this past year?

  79. boolakanaka December 19, 2013 11:53 am

    77–Coco, correct on several levels–lol. I will not comment any further, for fear of self-incrimination. (having been there) That said, while Rich is certainly a model for self-improvement, he did not get per se faster, although his total game became effectively faster. What he did do, was how to harness and use his god-given speed in a more effective manner, while getting appreciably stronger and bigger. He also became a great student of the game and his role in the scheme.

    Especially for a corner, as opposed to a safety, pure quickness and speed, is almost irreplaceable. While you can improve your 40 with better technique, its a little different when actually playing.

  80. Bowwar December 19, 2013 11:56 am

    Overall, I think UH had “functional” corners…IMHO, we have lacked a consistent pass rush for 5 years. We really need to get more speed and physical on the defensive ends. No corner can stay locked on receivers if the QB is given all-day to find them.

  81. jonj December 19, 2013 12:00 pm

    Jeezy to funny man. My initial argument is the offense hurt the D. All those reasons listed are the reasons it hurt the D. Now you are saying that schoeder (12int) and the offense hurt the D with turnovers and points scored against the offense. Which now that u mention it ya your right! Nevada game for example I think the offense gave 2 TDs to the d and gave up a few more turnovers. I would check these stats for you but I’m on a phone. Please stop trying to make me look dumb becuz your only hurting yourself. And if someone agrees with me please say something. Were all big boys! Btw I’m 28yrs old.

  82. gobows December 19, 2013 12:09 pm

    #74 boola

    it can happen. remember abe elimimian? he went from a 4.7 40 to a 4.5 40 mostly on refining his technique and he turned out to be one of the most productive corners to play at hawaii. kevin millhouse on the other side was even better. but with fuga, samuseva, sopoaga and laboy up front, plays didn’t last too long.

  83. gobows December 19, 2013 12:12 pm

    82 – kelvin not kevin

  84. Jeezy33 December 19, 2013 12:13 pm

    81.. Not too worried about a guy who doesn’t understand sports saying I look dumb . Il take it as a compliment coming from someone like you who thanks army is good and played a tough schedule… Did u see navy beat the crap out of them?

    obviously there were games where the offense hurt the defense.. But when your defense still sucks even if the offense puts up 40+, then maybe your defense just sucks regardless..

    When you stop seeing everything so black and white and start paying attention to detail, maybe someday you’ll figure it out…

  85. gobows December 19, 2013 12:22 pm

    taking away the upper levels (4 rows in loge, 5 rows in red, 17 rows in yellow) would bring the aloha stadium seating capacity to approximately 29,000.

    there are 29 rows in the lower level (orange and blue).

  86. jonj December 19, 2013 12:24 pm

    I never said army was good! I actually called them a patty cake team. I jus said their schedule was tougher. Nice try to twist that one. And I never said u were dumb I said u were Making urself look dumb. I actually like your post becuz 90% of it is right on. Especially the recruiting side. But for some reason u started backing chow and his offense. When I’m saying 2 of the 3 phases of the game sucked! (offense n defense) and I actually think the D played better throughout…. Meaning the season as a whole. Yes they played bad in the end!

  87. SteveM December 19, 2013 12:28 pm

    RE: #78
    Gobows — I was fortunate to move down two colors from yellow. Way at the end but the “dream seats” I have wanted for 30 years. But if I still had my old seats, and UH closed yellow and red, then they will have literally yanked the seats from under me and I would most likely move to PPV heaven–not because of how the team is doing, but because some penny pincher at UH who has never sat in every section at Aloha stadium doesn’t see the larger (and emotional) picture.

  88. Old School Dave December 19, 2013 12:30 pm

    Start the fundraising effort to build a 35,000 seat stadium in the lower campus. Need to have corporate luxury boxes. Build it so that it can be expanded in the future. Needs to come from private funds and fund raising. Gotta start somewhere.

    Something along the lines of FAU’s stadium:

  89. Jeezy33 December 19, 2013 12:31 pm

    I don’t back chow at all. I’ve wanted him fired ever since last season … So let’s get that straight ..

    I think our recruiting has been below average…

    Just so I can clarify things to you, what I did say was I liked how the offense improved once Wynn got more involved… I saw improvement … Last year I saw 0 improvement … I actually thought the defense improved last year from Boise game on..

    I also liked how naeole hit the o line protecting better as the season went on…

    I thought the defense went from average in the first couple weeks to getting worse as season went …

    Knowing chow is getting a 3rd year no matter what, he made the necessary move by getting rid of TK..

    I don’t know how you get that I like or back chow by any of those comments.. When I pull up numbers, it isn’t to prove that our offense is good.. Is it to prove that there is improvement being made… Which still isn’t enough .. But Wynn is young and IF he can find the right players, I’m some what optimistic to see what he can do…

  90. boolakanaka December 19, 2013 12:44 pm

    88…if the idea of a smaller stadium has financial merit, and there is a lucid business plan that can clearly spell out the viability of such a project, then my first meeting would be to discuss a possible collaboration with KS. It is one of the few entities in Hawaii that have the financial where with all, and liquidity to take on such a large scale project. Identifying the benefit to both their benefactors (kanaka maoli) and their inherent trust responsibilities, would be my contemporary task.

  91. Andrew December 19, 2013 12:45 pm


    And where at lower campus would they put the stadium? I don’t think it’s realistic to have a stadium like that in manoa. Parking is already pretty bad as it is and not to mention the traffic nightmare that it would create.

  92. NorthShoreFan December 19, 2013 12:51 pm

    #12 ST I’d like to try and spend $34.9 mil…I’ll show you how…

    #14 Me thinks the “final accounting” needs to zero out just to account for the revenues and expenses of the project…but actually the film doesn’t stop producing revenue. Usually things like films, songs and other creative/intellectual creations and the rights to them go on and on and on. Like the “Happy Birthday” song. Someone is still collecting royalties for that song….and finally, “figures don’t lie but liars can figure”…

    A House the “Rust Bucket” was built with the grand idea of it accommodating not just UH football but high school/professional football/baseball, soccer and international athletic events. It has met with some success but is a bit outdated for some requirements. Maybe sell it to some private investment group who is willing to refurbish/rebuild? We was supposed to be the “sports mecca” of the Pacific…..

  93. NorthShoreFan December 19, 2013 12:51 pm

    ooops…btw Guud afternoon all…

  94. gobows December 19, 2013 12:54 pm

    #87 stevem

    im in the red, i got used to the elbow room. it would be hard to find seats in the same section.

  95. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 12:56 pm

    Gobows, I do agree with you that straight ahead speed can be improved , sometimes dramatically, but it’s much harder to make similar improvements on inherent quickness.

  96. NorthShoreFan December 19, 2013 12:56 pm

    #91, if a new stadium is to be built, then West Oahu is the place. The choochoo is going to go right by and can link up to the freeway and get on great view of PH and DH. Mostly land acquisition might be cheaper now. Lots of construction materials close by…imho

  97. NorthShoreFan December 19, 2013 12:58 pm

    Being a db has got to be the hardest job in all sports….

  98. gobows December 19, 2013 1:00 pm


    move manoa to kunia or kalaeloa and then they would have space to build a new stadium. in fact they can build a stadium at the old raceway park. a better place would be the air field at kalaeloa if the coast guard would ever give it up. plenty space for parking and stadium.

  99. Andrew December 19, 2013 1:07 pm

    96 & 98

    Yeah West Oahu makes the most sense, but good luck to the athletic department trying to increase the student attendance.

  100. gobows December 19, 2013 1:08 pm


    pretty easy if you got skills like willie mays.

    assuming you mean good at it…left tackle is much harder, qb is the hardest. 32 nfl teams, half wish they had a good qb.

  101. Fei Jai December 19, 2013 1:12 pm

    In the end, bottom line, after all the mumbo jumbo posted here sinks to the bottom, chow single handedly destroyed hawaii football.

  102. NorthShoreFan December 19, 2013 1:12 pm

    #92, also the seats used to be able to change into different configuration for football and baseball until it was permanently set in football configuration.

  103. Boolakanaka December 19, 2013 1:14 pm

    100…the game is slanted towards offense, and specifically the QB. So, yes they have unique skills and moreover the ability to affect the outcome of games . On the D side , it has to be a stellar corner, as you can sometimes shutdown one side of the field and allows you so more options to run on D.

  104. Fei Jai December 19, 2013 1:14 pm

    Chow’s revenge, I call it, for the snub he got from hawaii the last go around when hawaii hired Mack instead of him.

  105. NorthShoreFan December 19, 2013 1:18 pm

    #100, I mean from a stand point that the receiver knows where they going and the db got to figure that out if not…
    Left tackle, yup, you got to contend with some pretty good, fast and strong guys. QB gets all the glamour and accolades but they guys in the trenches is what makes them good. When QB’s get enough time they slice and dice defenses.

  106. Darren December 19, 2013 1:19 pm

    Shouldn’t we be coming up with ideas on how to fill up our existing 50,000 seat stadium, instead of going in the contractive direction? Just seems like a defeatist mentality to me. Pretty sure this isn’t what Governor Burns had in mind for the future of Aloha Stadium…

  107. NorthShoreFan December 19, 2013 1:20 pm

    hope my bias/preference for the defense is not showing….

  108. obachan December 19, 2013 1:25 pm

    Can old futs train there?

  109. jonj December 19, 2013 1:26 pm

    106 whats funny is we cant buy chows contract out and yet we talking about spending millions in building a new stadium. First the team then the Stadium! no sense build one and we have no D1 football team

  110. NorthShoreFan December 19, 2013 1:27 pm

    #106, u right..see my post #92, still would like the vision to be someone elses vision too..still can because we still here and sports is a growing interest that is now going international. some peeps are trying to lure pro teams here.
    would be nice to have international championships here…rugby, cricket, football, baseball soccer, basketball etc. if we have international tournaments then whoever wins can be true “World Champions”

  111. Inyoface December 19, 2013 1:44 pm

    Hopefully after 2 seasons of trials and tribulations, Chow will put everything together and have a solid, well-rounded team.

  112. jonj December 19, 2013 1:44 pm

    jeezy.. my point being that in the beginning I saw a good D! Yes is was VS USC, OSU and Nevada. Even FSU (Once the Offense started clicking) but no offense… I spoke to some GA’s at the bar and they all said that it was the Offense fault. Saw them after the Fresno game and they all thought that things were turning around and the offense would take off. Never really happened (long balls don’t count) until the Navy game. I don’t think the Offensive strategy was any better… I thought the players got better. Oline and with the return of Joey freed up a lot of other things able to happen. But at the sametime this was all happening while we were playing not so good teams. Navy good (injured both starting Dtackles) SDSU ok (lost both DEs for the half), Wyoming and Army both fired their head coaches!

    All that being said im kinda glad we on the same page! Idk if u know but I think some posters and lurkers here really listen to you. haha… so you saying things looking up with the O makes people believe! Still gets me how people always comment on how they love FUHA post. Just the other Day he said Peterson would stay in Boise becuz he had no pressure. Lol… people don’t coach or play the game to not compete or challenged themselves

  113. Bowwar December 19, 2013 1:45 pm

    So true…hard to justify a new stadium (which I totally endorse), when your football program is being run into the ground. You gotta fix one or the other or both quickly BEFORE the next realignment takes place or be left out in the cold.

    Governor Burns would have FIRED many of the principles involved with Aloha Stadium by now, for totally mismanaging the facility and killing its primary customer (the UH).

  114. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 1:53 pm

    112. I’m more terrified than anything in regards to our offense. Going into 2014 season, our defense is probably way better than our offense. How both units develop, adjust, and progress as the year goes on is a question mark to me…..

    I’ve constantly voiced my concerns of not having a true QB competition with quality QBs. ST is pretty high on Woolsey but potential to me is just potential and QBs need to put the mental aspect of the game together… We lose our best WR and TE.

    The reason why I knock our defense so much is that we should have been better this year than last year from a talent point of view. We had more depth and experience, but played way worse. From Boise St all the way till UNLV and South Alabama, the D improved a lot and returned everyone basically besides Mike Edwards.

    I expected nothing of our offense with SS starting and that unit actually improved…. I actually credit that to Naeole having his unit protect better, and I guess Wynn for working with SS and limited abilities he had.

    But I’ll be the 1st to admit that I am not optimistic at all going into 2014 with the current roster we have…

    We would have to sign a Quality JC QB, Deandre Mann at RB, and a TE who can attack the seam for me to have any hope..

  115. Inyoface December 19, 2013 1:54 pm

    Should hire some forensic accountants and check to see if there’s any of that $34M in overseas bank accounts.

  116. Bowwar December 19, 2013 2:22 pm

    We need a JC QB to provide competition, if not, the leadership to steer the offense in the right direction. Not sure Deandre Mann is, but I think we’re okay at RB given that our current players bulk-up during the off-season. The OL is still a concern and you can’t get enough “hogs” for offense or defense, as they basically move things offensively or defensively.

    Yeah, with all of Chow’s preaching about the TE position, he hasn’t come up with a prototype TE since he’s been here…

  117. Bowwar December 19, 2013 2:25 pm

    I also believe there is “enough” talent on the roster to turn things around, but…what’s lacking is the coaching to raise the talent to its capabilities. Chow will need to toss his ego aside and get guys who can “coach” and teach the players to reach their potential.

  118. Jeezy33 December 19, 2013 2:34 pm

    116. Bulking up at rb isn’t going to translate to rushing for yards… When iosefa went down, it was a huge drop off to lakalaka. Knowing iosefa injury history, it would make sense to recruit a every didnt type rb that is fast enough to break a few big ones..

    Lakalaka is a blocking back that doesn’t offer much in run game …
    St juste is more a speed back that is more suited for 3rd down situations at this point.. I like his upside though..

  119. al December 19, 2013 2:35 pm

    26. the direct correlation of the program not recognizing/recruiting talent necessary to achieve d-1 standards and the inability to coach up, develope, train, and produce same.

    responsibilty of the position coaches and recruit coordinator. yet, only one was released.

  120. al December 19, 2013 2:36 pm

    the glaring issue is the lack of team speed.

  121. Jeezy33 December 19, 2013 2:39 pm

    Sad thing is it isn’t that hard to find team speed either … Texas jcs have a bunch …. It was easy under jones to bring in kids from Navarro , blinn , and others

  122. Jeezy33 December 19, 2013 2:42 pm

    Cj Hawthorne ran in 4.3 40 range I think and jones offered him regardless of no one else offering and minimal production in jc … Jeremiah Cocheran also got offered because he ran a 4.3.

  123. Whats up December 19, 2013 2:45 pm


    With what money is Chow ego and the University of Hawaii supposed to get these guys who can coach offense or defense? Last I checked all the names thrown around here like a Norwood, Akina types won’t coach here because the pay is too low.

    Unless bowwar and the rest of the complaining about Chow folks are going to front the money need to pay for coaches or Chow’s buy out? Put your money where your pie hole is, talk is cheap! Show me the money? All I see is a lot hot air and no C Notes, typical Hawaii fan, always complaining about something and expecting somebody else to do it or pay for it.

    I find it funny that the ones with the least, tend to talk bad about Chow and University of Hawaii the most. How about you gather the Hawaii Fans that want buyout Chow and Buyout Chow already or donate some kala to pay for coaches. I do donate proudly to UH Football even in a 1-11 season.

  124. d1shima December 19, 2013 3:56 pm

  125. jonj December 19, 2013 5:12 pm

    Got a phone call from some scanner claiming I won 2.5 mil and a Mercedes. First thought was I can finally buy out chow!! Lol… Wish it was true!

  126. Fei Jai December 19, 2013 5:14 pm

    Interesting argument what’s up. You want X out, you reach into your pocket and pay to get him out. Interesting, and powerful, if the person you are speaking to is brain dead or retarded.

    The rest of the world sees it for what it is – a chow family member defense of uncle norm.

  127. Moocher December 19, 2013 6:06 pm

    new stadium…

    ok gangee, we are always thinking land land land when it comes to stadiums…
    here’s an idea i think we have not given much thought to, but in places i’ve worked and lived in and they have already done what we only dream of or think of or have not even thought of.

    make a stadium like this. locker rooms can be under the stands. more stands can be added.


  128. Moocher December 19, 2013 6:15 pm

    maybe UH should by an older container or cargo ship, or old navy ship that’s big enough. look into the possibility to see if it can fit a field and stands etc. create locker rooms and toilet facilities below deck. play football on a ship. can place the ship anywhere in the state. people can drive or be ferried to the ship for games.

    …just a thought, i’m trying to get off the land land land issue for a stadium. plus hey, we have to deal with altitude sickness, why not make opposing teams deal with sea sickness hehe 🙂

  129. gobows December 19, 2013 6:23 pm

  130. Moocher December 19, 2013 6:24 pm

    got to give investors a new idea, something big that they can see their big dollars going to. something they can stamp their name to, not the same ol same ol all the time.

  131. jonj December 19, 2013 6:29 pm

    There are only 2 places I could see a new stadium 1st choice is Ala Wai golf coarse. Close to UH and could possibly get a few hundred tourist to enjoy a game. 2nd would be to buy out the apartments below UH and the Stan sheriff. Would be right off the freeway.

  132. gobows December 19, 2013 6:37 pm

    a cruise ship is not wide enough for a football field, neither is an aircraft carrier. plenty room for a court, but a court can also fit inside a baseball diamond.

  133. gobows December 19, 2013 6:48 pm

    sand island get room for a stadium.

    makalena golf course is a great place for a stadium, or just build a stadium at the soccer fields down the road.

  134. SteveM December 19, 2013 7:20 pm

    RE: #132
    🙂 gobows — a modern cruise ship is certainly wide enough for a football field, but would lose a lot of its water park…and the number of sideline seats would really vary by ship width. We had discussed this possibility before…and are almost applying for a patent of the luxury boxes and seats that can towed along the crane tracks on the pier. 🙂

    j/k about the patent, but very possible. BTW, I was surprised to learn that Bud Light has chartered the brand new cruise ship, Norwegian Getaway, to be used as a 4,0000+ pax hotel in York for the Super Bowl. See:

    Maybe someday the NFL will build a floating luxury cruise ship with football field on top and market the venue as the mega resort hotel that moves to different port cities for playoffs. With 1,100 feet in length to work with, they can squeeze in a few pools and basketball courts too.

  135. Derek December 19, 2013 7:25 pm

    You can bring in all the recruits, but if you don’t have a good QB we don’t have a shot to be a good team. Just supposing Woolsey get hurt in spring drills, then what? There’s Graham who might still be hurting if he has further surgery. And we’ve got Higgins, that it! Aloha!
    Mahalo! Mele Kalikimaka! Tuileta coming in the fall about a month before we play Washington. Not a very pretty picture. Chow has to take the blame for this if we have a depth problem. A lot of teams have 5 and 6 QBs on their roster. That’s the one position we cannot be short on.

  136. Moocher December 19, 2013 7:28 pm

    we tight with land…if can ocean or harbor maybe better…or build one

    build breakwalls like magic island, then floating field.
    i think hawaii needs to get more into soccer also, asian and european teams especially would perhaps play “friendlies” and sheesh, when will hawaii make a commitment to rugby and perhaps a pro team.

    stadium is too big for these things, but a new stadium that can easily expand and grow with the sports its hosting is the way to go.

    again, this is what i’m talking about

  137. Fei Jai December 19, 2013 7:39 pm

    You can
    – build new stadium
    – get new mascot
    – get new players
    – close top section of stadium
    – get bigger band
    – get new assistant coaches


    You still have in place the cause of all the problems with hawaii football
    – norm
    – chow
    – not an alpha male
    – hesitant
    – unsure if himself
    – lifetime assistant coach mentality
    – insecure
    = losing team, season, program

  138. Fei Jai December 19, 2013 7:45 pm

    The firing of assistant coaches is like blaming the chess pieces for why you lost the chess match.

  139. Moocher December 19, 2013 7:48 pm

    i think maybe coach did put all the eggs in one basket thinking TG was “it” and then buying time AZ.
    no doubt he’s either going to go the graduated route but wants to play like SS or find someone from JC

    KS owns land near the water, maybe they can look into a floating field concept. i’m sure they can open up a sports and entertainment portfolio if they had their own venue. they have a lot of connections in polynesia, asia, europe.

    ships are big enough or can be modified to host a field and stands. at the very least you can have a field surrounded on 3 sides. imagine a ship making it to maui or big island or north shore (if calm enough) and playing games there…what a recruiting tool.

    take oahu people to outer island, the ship makes money since there is still enough room to build lodging and people can go outer island do their thing, watch the game to, and come back…

    better yet if shipboard gaming can be a reality 🙂

    forget the state on this one

  140. Derek December 19, 2013 7:50 pm

    In less than one week, new Boise St. Head Coach Bryan Harsin selected his new offensive AND defensive coordinators. That tell you right there the difference between them and us.
    Boise St. is working to fill their staff, while UH is going on Christmas shopping. Happy Holidays!

  141. papajoe2 December 19, 2013 8:04 pm

    Soccer fields in Waipio is in a blast zone with no building can be higher than 8 feet. The boundary is close to where the road is leading into the fields on the Waianae side so the current bathrooms are okay. They could have changed the rules since I have been out of it for awhile.

  142. Rodney December 19, 2013 8:37 pm

    #140 you gotta be joking!!

  143. kapakahi December 19, 2013 8:38 pm

    Not just incoming newbies……but unfortunately for UH football also another unexpected departure too.


  144. Rodney December 19, 2013 8:39 pm

    #137 not funny anymore !!!

  145. Rodney December 19, 2013 8:45 pm

    Team will be better, recruits will come, wins will come,dam the negativity!
    Imua warriors!!!

  146. Old Diver December 19, 2013 9:06 pm


    We losing a player?

  147. Fei Jai December 19, 2013 9:08 pm

    Rodney Chow. I wasn’t trying to be funny.

  148. Fei Jai December 19, 2013 9:10 pm

    Jimmy and st are in charge of the “make funny” department. You want “funny”, go see them.

  149. kapakahi December 19, 2013 9:13 pm



  150. Old Diver December 19, 2013 9:15 pm


    Are you able to identify him, or too early to announce.

  151. Bryson December 19, 2013 9:18 pm


    From some things I’ve read is the player a Starting CB,or maybe even a WR….

  152. Moocher December 19, 2013 9:26 pm

    losing starting players, haaaaaaaaaa not good
    wonder who is going

  153. papajoe2 December 19, 2013 9:32 pm


  154. Old Diver December 19, 2013 9:34 pm


    Sampson’s departure was announced a while ago.

  155. Rodney December 19, 2013 9:35 pm

    #147 Rodney chow is funny kine!
    Imua lanikila warriors!!!!

  156. Rodney December 19, 2013 9:44 pm

    Players come and go! Ain’t no big thing!

  157. kapakahi December 19, 2013 9:44 pm


    Too early.

  158. Warrior December 19, 2013 9:45 pm

    Anyone know who it could be?

  159. kapakahi December 19, 2013 9:45 pm



  160. kapakahi December 19, 2013 9:46 pm

    Meant #151.

  161. Warrior December 19, 2013 9:48 pm

    Offense or defense?

  162. kapakahi December 19, 2013 9:50 pm


    You’re right. Happens every year.

    Just doesn’t usually happen……with players who see considerable PT.

  163. kapakahi December 19, 2013 9:52 pm

    Although that was the case with a few departures after last season too.

  164. kapakahi December 19, 2013 9:53 pm

    Meant the previous 2012 season.

  165. Rodney December 19, 2013 9:54 pm

    #162 usually personal reasons
    most likely financial.

  166. kapakahi December 19, 2013 10:08 pm


    Nothing personal nor financial……just wasn’t happy here.

    Sound familiar? Hmmm……

    Been thinking about this since before this past season……and just decided to pursue opportunities elsewhere…….destination yet unknown……since now has film footage from this past season as his resume……to draw interest from potential suitors.

  167. kapakahi December 19, 2013 10:08 pm

    Meant #165.

  168. kev-1 December 19, 2013 10:19 pm

    Yeah, so Boise hired two coordinators already. What the hell is UH waiting for? We haven’t even heard of interviews yet.

    No rush. It’s not like the defense has anything to work on.

  169. kapakahi December 19, 2013 10:21 pm

    The positive is that……with an unexpected departure comes……the opportunity for someone else to step up.

  170. Old Diver December 19, 2013 10:27 pm

    Well, good luck to him. Hope he makes it out of Dodge unscathed.

  171. Rodney December 19, 2013 10:31 pm

    Not happy! What you gonna do?
    Only hope he finds what looking for.
    Wouldn’t want to play with or coach
    a player that’s not happy.Work with
    Unhappy people and its a downer to
    be associated with.

  172. kev-1 December 19, 2013 10:45 pm

    I’m thinking an olineman.

  173. jeezy33 December 19, 2013 10:48 pm

    The guy leaving is not a big loss in my opinion. We have nice young depth at that position and probably would have been beaten out.

  174. al December 19, 2013 10:50 pm

    kev-1… its been reported time and again that its the state of hawaii law that prevents the quick hiring.

  175. kapakahi December 19, 2013 10:53 pm


    Not happy……not the same as being…….unhappy, disgruntled, unpleasant, or being negative.

    Enjoyed and will maintain friendships with the fellas off the field……just didn’t fully enjoy the experience here on the field and in the locker room…….that’s all……so moving on.

    Not a downer……so shouldn’t speculate and make it s negative about the player… an attempt to rationalize this departure. Coaches disappointed in this departure…..want him to stay. Different strokes for different folks……everyone has a different comfort zone……that’s all.

  176. kev-1 December 19, 2013 10:54 pm

    al . . . if you’re referring to the 30 day posting period, I remembered about 30 seconds after I clicked “submit comment.” Still, the birdies usually chirp and there has been nothing. It has also been reported that Chow is in “no rush” to fill the positions. That is the part that pisses me off. He should damn well be in a rush. Every day, whether it is a practice day, off season, dead period or whatever is another day that matters to a 1-11 staff.

  177. kapakahi December 19, 2013 10:55 pm


    Agreed. See #169.

  178. kev-1 December 19, 2013 10:55 pm

    but al,

    thanks for the reminder.

  179. jonj December 19, 2013 10:59 pm

    I’m guessing Benny fonua.

  180. kapakahi December 19, 2013 10:59 pm

    JMHO that we should be thankful for any player who represents Hawaii……for however long that period is.

  181. kapakahi December 19, 2013 11:01 pm


    Unfortunately that has been a problem for some……like TD.

  182. Rodney December 19, 2013 11:04 pm

    #175 mahalo for explanation.

  183. jonj December 19, 2013 11:08 pm

    Can’t blame anyone who wants to get out. Sounds like the locker room could have been poisonous with the coaches fighting.

  184. al December 19, 2013 11:15 pm

    kev-1…gotta remember, you get what you pay for, which also translates that your barn door is not about to be kicked in any time soon.

    it is great strategy to “interview” at the coaches convention tabbed as the best job fair for the sport of football.

  185. al December 19, 2013 11:16 pm

    179… off the mark

  186. MattyBoy December 19, 2013 11:31 pm

    Can’t believe we have to wait one more season to fire Chow. Who’s to say they’ll even fire Chow next season. Unreal. Hawaii football going down the drain.

  187. Leahi2 December 19, 2013 11:31 pm

    The departing player was never any good. He only gets injured and cannot play. Has good speed but is frail. Let him go wherever he wants to go but if he plays football again soon he’ll be on the injured list. We poho scholarship money on this guy. He was promising but we don’t succeed on promises alone. I say good riddance to this non producer.

  188. el burro sabio December 19, 2013 11:41 pm

    Just because there is no news about what is going on doesn’t mean that nothing is going on.

  189. Fei Jai December 20, 2013 12:26 am

    He’s a kid, Keahi. Take it easy. He’s not a highly paid professional, like uncle norm. I mean, highly paid Lou zer.

  190. Fei Jai December 20, 2013 12:27 am


  191. kruzen December 20, 2013 12:29 am

  192. wafan December 20, 2013 3:02 am

    A happy Aloha Friday to everyone!

  193. wafan December 20, 2013 3:16 am

    Go Beavs!

  194. Whats up December 20, 2013 4:36 am

    Fei Jai

    At least brain dead got part of the point of what I was saying, Dave Reardon wrote a nice piece on if the people who didn’t want Chow as head coach should pool together and buy him out. One or two folks can not buy him out but many can. So instead of flapping your lips or bumping you gums with empty words that are just negative, do something about it.

    Also, I said donate to Hawaii Football so the University of Hawaii can pay for coaches that Chows ego won’t hire. We all complain but when asked to reach into our wallets to help the Hawaii Football the proverbial “Choke” happens. Just like missing that last second field goal. For those of you that attend games and buy merchandise, kudos to you. However, many college football programs have fans that attend games (when possible), buy merchandise and donate too. I’m not defending Chow or related to Chow but I am a true Hawaii Football supporter. And as I said even with a 1-11 team I still proudly donate to Hawaii Football, because the Hawaii Football Program runs on faithful fans support but more importantly “Money”.

  195. 3-Prong December 20, 2013 6:18 am

    Really, what can be better than Aloha Friday in Paradise?

    ……and Welcome Home to President Obama.

  196. 3-Prong December 20, 2013 6:18 am

    Really, what can be better than Aloha Friday in Paradise?

    ……and Welcome Home to President Obama.

  197. I ALL NUHA ALREADY December 20, 2013 6:23 am

    Oh my God!
    A lot of whatʻs being written regarding UH football is ignorant and uninformed!

    Please, allow me to address a few things:

    Recruiting: Under the current regime (Norm Chow era), itʻs the best recruiting effort dating back to 1996. Itʻs not my opinion, but fact! Fred vonAppen and his staff had no respect for the talent here in Hawaii, June Jones was very open, saying he doesnʻt need to recruit because good players they will call him. And Greg McMackin, well, too many senior moments to get anything right. Iʻm not angry he got $1M+ per season, it wasnʻt his fault, idiot UH administrators offered him that money.

    Hiring: Many have cried about moving forward and making hires for the two vacancies the program has right now, in fact many have stated “look at Boise State, theyʻve made two quick hires already”….
    Um, get a damn clue people, weʻve gone thru this before. Fact is, UH, Norm Chow, Ben Jay, Tom Apple, none of them can pull the trigger until after the required amount of time the jon is legally / public all posted. So harsh comments saying UH, Chow etc, are dragging their feet and acting like thereʻs no rush to move ahead, cʻmon, those comments are very ignorant / uninformed.

    I buy season tickets (4), not just for football, but for menʻs basketball, Rainbow Wahine volleyball and baseball. I support University of Hawaii athletics.

    Donʻt get me wrong, I am not happy at all about the current state of the Rainbow Warriors football program, nor can I say that Ben Jay has been impressive, but I support the kids, the student-athletes.

    I never make my negative comments “personal attacks”, I almost always make them based on acquired facts.

    I love reading many of the posts on this blog, I enjoy the banter, enjoy a lot of the passion, enjoy some of the insight, but the ignorant / uninformed, man that really gets under my skin.

    You, me, we all have a right to our opinions, Iʻm a firm believer in that, but when the attacks get personal and names are mentioned, being factual is key.

    Go Rainbow Warriors!

  198. Fan December 20, 2013 6:38 am


    IANA…..I echo your sentiments…..those who seem to think all that is needed is their brilliant analysis to make it all good are demonstrating their lack of understanding…..that is ok and maybe part of what blogs are for……when it gets personal it provides a public demonstration of their lack of maturity…..nicely hidden behind a screen name……I would venture to guess that most of these people have never been in a leadership or decision making position and have no idea what it takes to get things done…..I want a winning program too…..but we are not Alabama and will never be……we will never again get a coach with Chow’s resume and deep local ties for the price we are paying…..If he does not succeed I really wonder who will or can……so I very much hope he does.

  199. boolakanaka December 20, 2013 6:52 am

    137–I find it a tad amusing, that you mention insecurity in your list of qualities associated with Coach Chow. Now, I am neither a fan or detractor of Coach Chow, but will say, insecurity is a trait we all have. I study leadership and executive leadership for a living, and ironically, many great and iconic leaders are insecure. In short, being insecure at times, does not necessarily mean insecure leadership. Rather, it is about being cognizant of shortcomings, and taking corrective action. At the end of the day, strong leadership in a crisis, will always exhibit the following: focus and encouragement at the task at hand; shared values and objectives; and shared responsibility to participate in work and suffering.

  200. justsomeguy December 20, 2013 7:26 am

    198 + 199. Finallyyyyy…..some people with some damn sense. Thank you. Go Warriors.

  201. kapakahi December 20, 2013 7:30 am


    Wrong guy……’cuz speed has nothing to do with the position……and he’s definitely not frail.

  202. kapakahi December 20, 2013 7:35 am


    BTW, you probably just badmouthed a player who’s staying.

    What a fan!

  203. A-House December 20, 2013 7:40 am

    for whomever is leaving – good wishes to you and thank you for being part of the Warrior ohana!

    people, if you don’t like the “hiring laws” of Hawaii, talk to your legislators to change it – they have the authority to do so!

  204. tommui December 20, 2013 7:44 am


    #198, 199, 200 – finally good points nicely put after all that stuff Fat Boy puts out!

    And as Kifi points out in his gentle reminder in #194, kids do transfer out of various football programs.

    What are we going to do? Put chains on their legs?

  205. gobows December 20, 2013 7:46 am


    recruiting woes go back farther than the late 90’s.

    chows recruiting is the best since the early 80’s.

    tomey was lucky he didn’t have to contend with the pac 10 in recruiting local players.

    wags is responsible for starting the trend of getting small and slow players. lack of size and speed began to show in 1993.

    fred was lost.

    jj didn’t try to recruit, which is lolo, just ask kahuku.

    mack had coaches that didn’t recruit, which is lolo.

    chows 1st recruiting class appears to be the most talented ever. just have to see how they pan out.

    great seeing many freshmen getting playing time.

  206. Maddog50 December 20, 2013 7:49 am

    #198….supportive and proud to be one of the program, the University and these players. Much better days are ahead…..

    Go Warriors!!!!!!!

  207. Stephen Tsai December 20, 2013 7:52 am

    Ben Dew has talked about graduating in May, then transferring to Baylor, where he can enter an advanced program in hopes of eventually becoming a pastor.
    If he chooses this path, UH will honor his scholarship through May.
    UH actually has the option of cutting loose a player who wishes to transfer. But Ben’s a great guy, loyal and hard-working teammate, and there’s no animosity toward a player who is going to do great things in the world.

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