Tough road ahead; USU QB released from hospital

The Warriors will learn in the next couple of days how many players will be available for what is now regarded as the stretch run.

Preliminary indications are that left tackle Clayton Laurel might have suffered a season-ending broken arm. If so, it would be the final unfortunate stage in a career filled with injuries. Laurel has endured shoulder and ankle injuries the entire season. Jordan Loeffler finished the game as the left tackle.

Right wideout Royce Pollard will undergo an MRI today to determine the extent of injuries to his left knee and left ankle.

Right slotback Justin Clapp said he suffered at least one fractured rib. Clapp had moved from right slotback to right wideout. Left slotback Billy Ray Stutzmann finished the game at right wideout.

Those injuries might force the Warriors into tough decisions. Freshman offensive tackle Blake Muir has been held out of games to preserve the option of redshirting. He has been considered the best available tackle behind Laurel and Loeffler. Another backup option might be Frank Loyd, who already has used a redshirt season.

Chris Gant and Cecil Doe, both of whom were on track to redshirt, warmed up after Pollard was injured. Instead, the Warriors decided to shift Clapp and then Stutzmann.

With the need to win two of the final four regular-season games for a postseason berth, the Warriors might not have the luxury of saving redshirts.

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From Utah State:

LOGAN, Utah – Utah State football player Chuckie Keeton is out of the hospital and cleared to return to Logan after suffering an injury Saturday night in USU’s 35-31 comeback win at Hawai‘i.

Keeton, a freshman quarterback from Houston, Texas, was injured late in the second quarter and carted off the field, and taken to The Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu.  USU Head Athletic Trainer Dale Mildenberger stayed with Keeton.

According to USU team physician Dr. Trek Lyons, Keeton suffered an extreme stinger to his spine, but Lyons said that Keeton was moving and walking about Sunday, and was cleared to return to Logan.  Keeton and Mildenberger will be leaving Honolulu Sunday night.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with Chuckie,” USU head coach Gary Andersen said.  “He is a tough kid, and we’re extremely glad he is going to be okay.  We can’t wait to get him home and back together with our team so we can wrap our arms around him and let him know how much we love him.”


  1. postmanke November 6, 2011 8:21 am

    Tough road ahead indeed

  2. naks November 6, 2011 8:23 am

    time to step it up boys

  3. d1shima November 6, 2011 8:24 am

    Tough to hear about season-ending injuries…lots of hard work gone *poof*

    Gotta do what ya gotta do but it’s a tough spot to be in to have to consider if a first-year guy will need to play to save a season.

    Das why they get “the Big Buck$”!

  4. Hawaiianbod November 6, 2011 8:27 am

    top 5

    g’morning Tsaikos!

    have a blessed Sunday!

  5. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 8:29 am

    There is no subsitute for real-game experience. Most players, if given the choice of sitting or playing, will choose to play. Still 4 more games to go, which is a lot of football.

    Don’t hate on the players as they are putting their blood, sweat, & tears out on the field playing through injuries that would make the average Joe go home and curl up into a fetal position.

  6. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:30 am

    This is the reason the NCAA allows 85 scholarships and 120-player rosters.

  7. funny November 6, 2011 8:30 am

    A few weeks ago I pegged the Warriors’ chances of going 7-6 and qualifying for the bowl at 50-50 and that was assuming a W at home against USU. Now, their bowl hopes are in real jeopardy.

  8. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:33 am

    The future offers no guarantees.

    A player could redshirt this season, then get hurt in the ensuing years.

    That’s why lots of people favor the proposal of five years and no redshirting.

  9. funny November 6, 2011 8:33 am

    JD needs to forget about extending Mack and ride out his contract. Leaving the WACK puts UH on a higher level of competition and Mack isn’t the coach to move the program forward.

  10. niho mano November 6, 2011 8:41 am

    The Warriors played good in the first half because Utah State U. did not prepare for the Moniz factor. It was unfortunate we lost key impact players to move the ball forward and finish, but that is the game of football, when you have injuries. Go Warriors rebuild because we the fans believe in you…niho

  11. Kevin November 6, 2011 8:42 am





    In two weeks I’ll ask “Who handles Coach Mack’s contract deal” and the winner of the correct answer wins a free trip to Vegas and tickets to the next UFC live event.

  12. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:42 am

    I think last night has everyone concerned about the future.

    Let’s not forget the immediate concern about Nevada. Did concerns about kicking result in going for it at least once on fourth-and-1? Which coach was responsible for identifying the fake punts? What should UH do at receiver?

  13. funny November 6, 2011 8:43 am

    Upper Campus needs to forget about extending Mack and ride out his contract. Leaving the WACK puts UH on a higher level of competition and Mack isn’t the coach to move the program forward.

  14. Don Weir November 6, 2011 8:44 am

    Mahalo to Ferd Lewis to be the first in any widely viewed forum to declare ‘the king is wearing no clothes’.

    We don’t have to agree or disagree on what is best for UH Athletics but realize UH is our University and UH Athletics is our program.

    We need to take a personal look at what we believe to be the best for the UH Football program and for the University of Hawaii and make our views known outside of chance conversations or anecdotal additions to the blogs.

    After working at UH in support of UH Athletics I can say without hesitation that I trust MRC Greenwood to make great decisions as they affect UH Athletics. I have only to support my fellow UH Football Alum in his decisions as I have implicit trust in AD Jim Donovan; that trust has no reservations.

    Disagree or agree, let us all work towards the future of UH Athletics.

    As always, I am proud to have graduated from the University of Hawaii and I am proud of being a Rainbow Warrior.


  15. Kevin November 6, 2011 8:44 am


    November 6th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Upper Campus needs to forget about extending Mack and ride out his contract. Leaving the WACK puts UH on a higher level of competition and Mack isn’t the coach to move the program forward.

    My personal opinion is to agree with you 100%.

  16. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 8:45 am

    Get angry, Warriors. Don’t ignore the fire in your bellies. This is your time, scenarios like this are what makes heroes. History is now, write it the way you want it to read.

    Heal it up, fire it up! E o na toa e! Respond Warriors!


  17. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:46 am

    On another note, give credit to Moniz for manning up and being the first to go to the news conference.

    Like him or not, Moniz never hides after losses.

    A member of the UH media relations staff usually escorts players to the news conference. After talking with the beat writers, Moniz decided not to wait for the escort and went to the news conference.

  18. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 8:50 am

    #14 , Don Weir –

    Byootiful, baby just byootiful. You speak my heart.

  19. MattyBoy November 6, 2011 8:50 am

    ST or anybody,

    Would it even be at all possible to get high profile coach if it ever came down to a search for a new Head coach?

  20. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:53 am

    All coaches’ contracts start and end with the athletic director.

    Upper Campus and the Regents might have preferences, but they have bigger concerns than the athletic program.

    AD is paid to make decisions. It’s not about committees or Upper Campus or the Punahou mafia.

    Whatever the future of the program, it’s in the AD’s hands. He’s the one paid to make the calls.

  21. MattyBoy November 6, 2011 8:54 am

    Probably not huh??

  22. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 8:54 am

    From an SA article written by our own excellent blog host:

    “Keeton was flattened on a scramble in which he and UH cornerback Tank Hopkins collided. After being examined on the field, Keeton was fastened to a spine board, and then taken by ambulance to The Queen’s Medical Center for examinations. A Utah State spokesman said Keeton was being evaluated for a neck injury, but did not suffer any loss of movement in his arms and legs.”

    Praise God. Let’s hope the prognosis is good for Royce and all the others who were injured.

  23. Mad Dog November 6, 2011 8:56 am

    Can someone take the starting lineup at the beginning of the season and note which players are still playing and which are hampered with injuries. The offense certainly looks like triage central and they don’t appear to be playing as a unit. Everyone on the offense must perform their assignment with slit second accuracy, but our patchwork group looks out of synch.

  24. MattyBoy November 6, 2011 8:56 am

    To bad we couldn’t somebody fresh like Boise’s OC..I think that would be pretty cool; along with someone who can recruit really well.

  25. d1shima November 6, 2011 8:57 am

    I think the “Boise OC” you thinking about is now the co-OC for Texas

  26. d1shima November 6, 2011 8:58 am

    …Hawaii is WAY out-gunned in that bidding war

  27. MattyBoy November 6, 2011 8:59 am


    Oh ok. I always thought the AD barely had any say with decisions such as that. Well let’s just pray and hope that JD makes the best rationale decision possible.

  28. MattyBoy November 6, 2011 9:00 am


    Really?? Dang! Anyone else out there lol?

  29. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 9:01 am

    I think people can differentiate between real UH football fans and those just looking to take a dump on UH football and Hawaii in general. Real fans are hurting because we all want to see UH succeed and put out a quality product on the field. Again, this is nothing against the players who are laying it out on the line each week. It’s painful to watch BCS programs or even Boise State perform week in and week out at a high level and then look at our own team and compare.

    I think that in the business world as a manager you need to constantly assess yourself and those who work under you. Has the bottom line been met each year? Are we seeing more productivity each year? Is the quality of work improving? Have problems in the past been eliminated and dealt with accordingly? Are we moving in an upward or downward direction as an organization? To have a worker repeatedly say “sorry I messed up” is not going to cut it and that person will soon be out of a job.

  30. WWF November 6, 2011 9:04 am

    Keith Bhonapha is a former Warrior, who is the recruiting coordinator and Running Back Coach at Boise State.

  31. Garret November 6, 2011 9:04 am


    November 6th, 2011 at 8:44 am


    November 6th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Upper Campus needs to forget about extending Mack and ride out his contract. Leaving the WACK puts UH on a higher level of competition and Mack isn’t the coach to move the program forward.

    My personal opinion is to agree with you 100

    The problem with riding out Mack’s contract and then hiring someone else after next season means that UH would be flushing away *2* recruiting classes. UH wouldn’t be able to fill its scholarships in that case and would end up with less scholarship athletes than D-IAA schools. Then *no* coach UH hires would have a shot to win for a couple of years.

    I don’t think that UH could afford to have multiple bad seasons due to purposely throwing away recruiting classes (including this year’s class). That could be death to UHAD’s bottom line.

  32. Garret November 6, 2011 9:05 am

    Trying again…I never had problems with nested blockquotes before.


    November 6th, 2011 at 8:44 am


    November 6th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Upper Campus needs to forget about extending Mack and ride out his contract. Leaving the WACK puts UH on a higher level of competition and Mack isn’t the coach to move the program forward.

    My personal opinion is to agree with you 100.

    The problem with riding out Mack’s contract and then hiring someone else after next season means that UH would be flushing away *2* recruiting classes. UH wouldn’t be able to fill its scholarships in that case and would end up with less scholarship athletes than D-IAA schools. Then *no* coach UH hires would have a shot to win for a couple of years.

    I don’t think that UH could afford to have multiple bad seasons due to purposely throwing away recruiting classes (including this year’s class). That could be death to UHAD’s bottom line.

  33. el burro sabio November 6, 2011 9:06 am

    If you are one of those thinking of a new coach – don’t you think JD already has a short list? Just call the people on the short list and run the 10 day ad.

    If you are one of those thinking of a new coach – help JD raise the $1.5 million to buy Mack out of this contract and the $500,000 a year for the next 5 years to help pay for the new coach.

    If you are one of those thinking of a new coach – and all you want to do is whine about it, you’re just part of the problem. Community support, or actually the lack of it, is what is killing this program, not the coaches, not the players. If 50,000 show up every game, win or lose, rain or shine, it would be much easier to buy a coach and whatever else you need.

  34. LizKauai (macbook) November 6, 2011 9:08 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    Well, being a parachute kind of person, I rarely say.

    “get rid of ____”.

    I usually prefer “_______might be a better fit in this situation.”

    Who can fill in the blank?

    Except in the case of the fumbler, of course…

    There are always exceptions…

  35. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 9:08 am

    Don’t think UH can attract a high-profile coach. There were no high-profile candidates for the last opening.

    First, UH isn’t in an AQ conference.

    While the head coach is paid well, the coordinators aren’t home owners. That dates to JJ’s staff. Mike Cavanaugh left because it gave him a chance to buy a house.

    It’s tough to recruit here, too. I don’t think UH has ever recruited a 5-star player out of high school. That goes back to Proc Klum.

    Because of Hawaii’s uniqueness, a head coach would need either local ties or sensitivity.

    That all said, UH shouldn’t have lost last night. There’s no defense for that.

  36. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 9:09 am

    Time to shake things up at Manoa?

    1. Pitch to McArthur. Pitch to Sydner. Touchdown!!

    2. This guy may be TOO INTENSE for the laid back mentality the seems to permeate up there at the moment.

  37. LizKauai (macbook) November 6, 2011 9:09 am

    …Prepare for the unexpected…

    Have a great day, everyone!

    HTTR! :mrgreen:

  38. d1shima November 6, 2011 9:11 am

    a head coach would need either local ties or sensitivity.

    One of those just got bowl-eligible yesterday….

  39. Garret November 6, 2011 9:12 am

    I think the “Boise OC” you thinking about is now the co-OC for Texas


    Yes, and Harsin has done an AMAZING job at revamping Texas’ offense from what it looked like last year. Freshmen QB, Freshman RB, Freshman/Sophomore OL–the starting freshman RB gets injured so the backup RB starts and the offense got 439 rushing yards to blow out Texas Tech (52-20), the same Texas Tech team that beat then-#3 Oklahoma recently.

    Harsin actually turned down the offensive coordinator job at *LSU* to take the offensive coordinator job at Texas this past offseason. Harsin went from a walk-on player at Boise State to becoming the most sought-after OC in college football. He’ll get a head football coaching job at a big school soon…Texas’ most recent coordinator hires are now the head coaches at Auburn and Florida.

  40. Garret November 6, 2011 9:15 am

    ST has been talking for awhile now about how UH needs to make a decision on Mack’s contract. They weren’t able to agree on money over the summer, but deciding to just let his contract dwindle down isn’t helping UH or Mack and is killing recruiting. Deciding to make no decision is actually a decision to let the program decline.

  41. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 9:15 am

    It might be cruel, but I thought UH had a real chance to knockout the Aggies after their QB suffered his injury. The Aggie players were really emotionally drained at that point. But the Aggies were able to regroup, and, well the question Aggie fans need to ask is: Why wasn’t Adam Kennedy the starter?

  42. funny November 6, 2011 9:16 am

    #40 – excellent point

  43. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 9:18 am

    Please no more talk about Cal Lee (he had his shot as DC) or Norm Chow (he’s near the end of this coaching career at Utah where his wife is from).

    In 1977 Dick Tomey came to UH without any local ties and quickly adopted the local lifestyle and sensitivities. He had to in order to be successful and to recruit locally. Of course we don’t want someone like Fred von Appen (UH AD’s college teammate) to come here again (he and his staff looked like they wanted to jump on the next plane back to mainland). Made a half hearted effort to recruit a local running back by the name of Joe Igber at “IWALANI SCHOOL”.

  44. Garret November 6, 2011 9:18 am

    I think that ST mentioned that Upper Campus wanted to extend Mack at $700k/year while Mack wanted $850k/year. It would have been nice for a compromise to have been worked out–maybe the 2-year extension that Mack wanted for $750k/year or $800k/year with a lower buyout clause. That way Mack has his extension for recruiting and UH would have been protected in case things went badly this season or in 2012.

    One MWC coach this past offseason signed a contract exactly like this–people wondered why he got an extension after a HORRIBLE season last year, but they didn’t seem to notice that his buyout clause went way down.

  45. d1shima November 6, 2011 9:19 am

    I think Kennedy was brought in to do that but the frosh had fresh legs in camp and won the job

  46. AlaWai November 6, 2011 9:21 am

    Disappointed and discouraged, but not abandoning the Warrior Wa`a. That was a motivated and angry USU team last night and UH paid a high injury price. I was encouraged to see Iosefa’s growth as a RB and Davis gaining as WR. I was encouraged by Hadden’s improvement and better blocking on PAT and FGs. I was appalled at the missed calls by the zebras on facemask, holding and out of bound hits. USU took away the running game from us late in the game and with 3rd and 4th string receivers Mo had few open receivers and options. We got beat by an improving USU team and now must reassess and prepare for the remaining games. College football can be a cruel and fickle mistress. Some are grading our team and coaches on W’s alone. I choose not to. This year has been about rebuilding, re-evaluating and rehabilitating. I salute our team’s growth and character and that includes our coaches. Go Warriors!

  47. Old Diver November 6, 2011 9:21 am


    Well said Garret.

  48. Mad Dog November 6, 2011 9:21 am

    I’ve been a season ticket holder for over 35 years and have been to every bowl game (except for the ones held on Christmas-family comes first) and I will continue to be a Bow supporter. However, this year I’m hoping we don’t make the Hawaii Bowl only to be humiliated on national television.

    2008 Loss to Notre Dame 21-49

    2010 Loss to Tulsa 53-62

    I still the pain of those two final games of the season, but I don’t remember the final game of the 2009 season.

  49. Mad Dog November 6, 2011 9:22 am

    Make that loss to Tulsa 35-62

  50. d1shima November 6, 2011 9:23 am

    Is everyone OK with Hawaii becoming the next “Stepping Stone U.”?

    Just asking….

  51. Garret November 6, 2011 9:23 am

    If we want to play the “what if” game…

    What if UH wins in Reno on Saturday? UH could ride the momentum to roll over Fresno State and Tulane. UH would be 8-4 heading to the BYU game that would probably be a sellout. Would people still not want Mack to get his extension?

    Extension with a reasonable buyout clause may be the best protection for UH. Mack knows that any extension he gets will have a buyout clause…his current contract is almost the only head coaching contract in D-IA football without a buyout clause.

  52. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 9:23 am

    I think when people say they want Harsin, they really mean they want the success Harsin has as a coordinator to translate to running an entire program.

    Would Harsin be a good head coach? Probably. But don’t know for sure.

    The job entails having administrative skills.

    Norv Turner is an outstanding offensive coordinator. Is he a good head coach?

    The difference between being a congressman and governor is one is a legislator and the other an administrator.

  53. Kevin November 6, 2011 9:28 am

    Stephen Tsai:

    November 6th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    All coaches’ contracts start and end with the athletic director.

    Upper Campus and the Regents might have preferences, but they have bigger concerns than the athletic program.

    AD is paid to make decisions. It’s not about committees or Upper Campus or the Punahou mafia.

    Whatever the future of the program, it’s in the AD’s hands. He’s the one paid to make the calls.

    Ummmm…. But didn’t you clarify months ago that certain contracts were essentially stamped out by upper campus?

  54. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 9:30 am

    The ideal UH coach would be a mash up of say, (insert favorite college coach here), super agent Jerry Maguire, and Kamehameha the Great. Not easy to find such a person.

  55. 99club November 6, 2011 9:30 am

    Sorry to read about the injuries. My understanding is that a rib injury like Justin Clapp’s is painful with every breath.

    I guess we really have reached the big time. Less than 11 months after winning a share of the conference title and bowl appearance there are calls to let the coach go. We know this: the cost of a new coach next season, if that’s the road UH takes, is $1.1M plus whatever the new coach’s salary would be. I don’t envy Mr. Donovan in making these calls. All the while worrying whether he has to scramble to find opponents if teams leave the MWC for the Big East as expected. What fun.

  56. SteveM November 6, 2011 9:30 am

    Good morning everyone!

    …well, it’s nice morning weather-wise.

    I am putting myself in “time out” for 48 hours. 😐

  57. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 9:30 am

    Stranger things have happened and winning seems to cure all if UH should win its remaining 4 games and finish at 8-4. Looks like UCLA’s HC Rick Neuheisel may have saved his job with the win yesterday over ASU. The ASU HC Dennis Erickson was in a similar situation last year.

  58. d1shima November 6, 2011 9:36 am

    20,000 government and business leaders and journalists arrive in Honolulu for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Forum meetings this week.

    Hope this is worth it.

    Personally, I’m outta here on Thursday…

    …see ya on Monday! 😉

  59. A-House November 6, 2011 9:38 am

    Dark, gloomy, and disappointed!

    At the start of the 2nd half it appeared that UH coaches went into the “play not to lose” mode with the selection of offensive plays. But, this has happened nearly every game which makes UH, IMHO, very predictable offensively. Watch the tendencies next game.

    Defensively, it seems that the injury to Keeton, blew the wind out of the sales and the swarmng and hitting seemed to stop. Did I notice wrong?

    Like some say, UH does not have the “killer instinct” to put games away.

    If the coaches were stressed out because injuries to key players, whose fault is that the replacements are not totally prepared? Maybe, the coaches should rethink how they conduct all practices inlcuding off-season training!

    Somehow, I am disappointed, by do not feel as bad as I did after the UNLV and SJSU games – can’t put my finger on it!

    OK, Ralph, watch the 49ers whoop them Skins!!!!!!!!!!

  60. d1shima November 6, 2011 9:41 am

    J-E-T-S! Jets, Jets, Jets!

  61. Slugger November 6, 2011 9:43 am

    Good morning, gang!

    Healing energy sent to the banged up Warriors. Hate seeing any of the players getting hurt.


  62. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 9:46 am

    Assistant coach salaries are a major factor in the quality of people you hire and in assembling a staff. Assistants don’t own homes (unless they’re from here – Lee bros, Dan Morrison, Rich Miano), as mentioned earlier. There are a lot of talented GAs looking to land their first full-time coaching position. In the past former assistants like Mike Cavannaugh and Vantz Singletary live in the UH faculty housing up in Manoa during their time here. Having a spouse that also in on the same page is important. Read about an assistant coach at Utah State (his first full-time coaching job) whose wife left him because she couldn’t adjust to living in Logan, Utah.

  63. Garret November 6, 2011 9:50 am

    Reposting a few things from this morning in the last blog:

    I am still confident about UH making the Hawaii Bowl (Fresno and Tulane at Aloha Stadium at least), but I’m no longer going to complain about the weak SOS hurting UH’s computer ratings after wins. As unhappy as UH fans might be now, Fresno State’s fans might be even more upset…but at least Pat Hill took a pay cut from $1+ mil to $650k last year.

    Here are the Sagarin ratings after yesterday’s games.


    45 Nevada

    80 La Tech

    109 UH

    112 Fresno State

    116 SJSU

    119 Utah State

    131 NMSU

    143 Idaho

    Other Opponents:

    32 Washington

    62 BYU

    136 UNLV

    139 UC-Davis

    141 Colorado

    164 Tulane

  64. Garret November 6, 2011 9:50 am

    SDSU is talking with Boise State about joining the Big East’s Western Division.

    San Diego State has been in contact with Boise State about a possible joint move from the Mountain West to the Big East Conference, according to a San Diego State official.

  65. Garret November 6, 2011 9:52 am

    3rd quarter scoring in 2011:

    UH 7, Col 14

    UH 6, Was 3

    UH 7, UNLV 10

    UH 24, La Tech 14

    UH 14, SJSU 0

    UH 6, NMSU 6

    UH 0, Idaho 7

    UH 3, USU 14

    Total against D-IA competition: UH 67, opponents 68 (-1)

    So, the trend goes like this:

    2006: +106

    2007: +14

    2008: -56

    2009: -77

    2010: +2

    2011: -1

  66. ai-eee-soos November 6, 2011 9:54 am

    anyways ….

    Moniz joins elite club

    Bryant Moniz became the third University of Hawaii quarterback to pass for at least 10,000 yards in his career. He reached the milestone on a 6-yard pass to Billy Ray Stutzmann in the second quarter.

  67. Garret November 6, 2011 9:55 am

    Another article about SDSU trying to join BSU in the Big East.

    “We need a better television deal,” Sterk said. “I’ve been saying that from the start. We need a television deal that’s better than what we have currently in the Mountain West. We’re working on that. We need proximity of schools and the ability to play at the highest level.”

    “The only way it makes any sense is if there’s a West Division,” Sterk said. “I really don’t know what’s going to happen, but, yeah, if you think of schools in the West, we’re in the West.”

  68. Momona November 6, 2011 9:56 am

    While I strongly believe a decision needs to be made on Mack’s contract, I don’t believe it is killing recruiting. Look at Neuheisel. For years there’s talk that he was going to be fired. But he’s still there and has done well in recruiting Hawaii kids, including the Punahou kicker this year. As another poster wrote, same with ASU and Erickson. When its all said and done, it has to do with the school, the league the school’s in, the best chance of playing (and winning) and exposure. UH will continue to get the diamond in the rough kids, the ones not on the A or B list of BCS schools.

  69. empty November 6, 2011 9:57 am

    Just my thoughts. Maybe its time to abandon the R&S so all the inexperienced receivers will be running designated routes and Moniz won’t have to be guessing where they are going since he had not practiced with each of them. Then there shouldn’t be as much comments about not being in synch. If they did switch, there should always be a receiver to dump the ball to in case of a blitz or break down in protection. The run is okay, but will always get shut down if the pass is not working.


  70. Don Weir November 6, 2011 9:57 am

    #33 El Burrio Sabio

    Que bueno!! Players are asked to step up every week. It is time all of us in support of UH Athletics step it up. Go to the stadium, to the SSC, to the Ching Complex and support all sports as much as possible. Purchase your season tickets not just ducats that look like a ‘big game’. Football is the big ticket but other sports need to be supported as well.

    I personally liked the attitude of UNLV’s head coach when taking the job. Paraphrasing his comments, ‘We are going to recruit; we are going to play the best personnel not considering grade level; we are going to bite the bullet for two years notwithstanding wins and losses and build a great program here’.

    Any buyout clause puts UH in the same position next year if we go farther south in the program. Recruiting will be delayed as a consequence of the hiring process.

    The Run and Shoot is showing its age and is dying a very slow death. I read a comment a while back that countered this view stating that Pro Teams run it. They run the set perhaps but it is not the basis of their offense. WAC teams have caught up to it and the MWC is getting ready to counter it. Adjustments made in the 2nd half of games have shown how to negate many of the R/S strengths.

  71. Garret November 6, 2011 9:58 am

    BCS rankings:

    1. LSU

    2. OK State

    3. Stanford

    4. Alabama

    5. Boise State

    If Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State (quite possible) and Stanford loses a game, LSU-Alabama would be the national title game…even though Alabama wouldn’t even have played in the SEC championship game.

  72. Mad Dog November 6, 2011 9:58 am

    Online access to the Star Advertiser is free through Nov 14. Now you can read those blue star stories, like ST’s story on the game, without signing on.

  73. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 10:01 am

    Mad Dog:

    Does that coincide with APEC?

  74. papajoe2 November 6, 2011 10:02 am

    #65 Garret, just to campare, when was Aranda hired?

  75. 99club November 6, 2011 10:03 am

    Forecast for Reno next week: 28 degrees with snow and rain.

  76. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 10:03 am

    Interesting: A Jet player made a helmet-to-arse tackle. Never saw that before.

  77. PolyMom November 6, 2011 10:03 am

    Stephan Tsai what does Punahou Mafia mean? Please explain. Name names since you put it out there!

  78. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 10:04 am

    I’d like to see UH use more motions, maybe bring in an H-back like guy as either a blocker or tight end. Different personnel groups like other teams.

    Then again, I suck at Madden, so what do I know?

  79. A-TEAM November 6, 2011 10:05 am

    Regarding the O/L. Besides Lefotu and Saplou, Weren’t the rest of the O/L starting and some back-ups dealt with injuries during their career at UH? Why are we replacing injured players with more injured players. You have hungry healthy players who are ready to play like Bubba Luna, Frank Loyd who has used up their redshirt years? If you recruited a player and gave him a full ride, I can see him redshirting his first year. Put him to work after that. He must have seen something good in him to give him a full ride.

  80. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc November 6, 2011 10:06 am

    Frankly, I was really surprised to read Ferd’s column this morning, but he is correct.

    In order to replace McMackin and get someone with the kinds of skills to carry UH into the future, we will have to raise approximately $1.75 million dollars – not from state tax coffers – over the next 30 to 45 days. That means going out into the business community & getting personal – not corporate – contributions to underwrite the buyout and recruitment costs – including the down payment on a house for the new head coach.

    Any word on the Utah quarterback?

  81. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 10:06 am

    It’s the group of Punahou alumni who help subsidize the basketball program.

  82. Momona November 6, 2011 10:09 am

    Just a thought – since our 1/2 of our 1st team receivers are injured and the 2nd team receivers may be more comfortable with the 2nd string QBs, start Austin or Graves. We can keep Stutz and Miah where they are most comfortable and the backups have a relationship with the backup QBs.

  83. ai-eee-soos November 6, 2011 10:16 am

    I’ve been advocating for an H-back for a while – like Joe Gbbs used at the Redskins.

    I agree with # 78:

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    78. Stephen Tsai:

    November 6th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I’d like to see UH use more motions, maybe bring in an H-back like guy as either a blocker or tight end. Different personnel groups like other teams.

  84. d1shima November 6, 2011 10:21 am

    Perhaps I should really wait til the 48-hour Rule is exhausted but here goes anyway:

    If a large part of the benefit to playing postseason bowls comes from the extra practices the team gets that ostensibly help give the team a leg up for the next season…what’s really the point of going all-out for two more wins this year?

  85. Sweety November 6, 2011 10:29 am

    Aloha All,

    I agree with A-House. I’m so bummed about last night’s game, very difficult to watch :o( I still cannot believe they lost. On a brighter note……belated Mucho Mahalo’s to all of my Tsaiko family for the Happy birthdays!!! I had a wonderful birthday and wedding anniversary. Thank you so much, I appreciate it!!!

  86. Garret November 6, 2011 10:31 am

    #65 Garret, just to campare, when was Aranda hired?

    Aranda was part of Mack’s first staff, so his first season at UH was in 2008.

  87. ai-eee-soos November 6, 2011 10:31 am

    muddled thoughts …

    looks like to me that Idaho and USU defenses have figured out Rolo’s offense.

    Aggressively attack with 6 or more; clog the middle running/escape lanes;

    cover the passing zones to either side.

    Others have pointed out few passes are thrown in the middle.

    Others have pointed out the futility of throwing long.

    but, what do I know. I’m just a fan, and a sometime poster.

  88. Garret November 6, 2011 10:33 am

    It was interesting to read that JJ used a TE and 3 WRs yesterday for quite some time to counter what Tulane’s defense was doing. SMU’s RB ran for 143 yards.

  89. RedZone November 6, 2011 10:34 am

    That’s what I have been saying. Put Iosefa at H back tightend then we can have Jackson in the game at the same time. And how about moving Stuz back to the outside and giving Harding a go at slot since we are so battered at receiver.

  90. Red November 6, 2011 10:37 am

    When JJ first went to SMU he lined up an H back behind the oline in the guard tackle gap to block the rush end from the side hback was on. The rush end never saw it coming.

  91. Garret November 6, 2011 10:37 am

    UH plays Tulane later this month, so the SMU-Tulane game film will be studied closely I’m sure.

  92. Garret November 6, 2011 10:38 am

    When JJ first went to SMU he lined up an H back behind the oline in the guard tackle gap to block the rush end from the side hback was on. The rush end never saw it coming.


    Didn’t JJ use that against Purdue, with Reagan Mauia destroying Anthony Spencer all game long?

  93. SteveM November 6, 2011 10:38 am


    At this moment, our Tsai-ko uber-Cruiser has probably just boarded the Holland Volendam in Sydney, Australia. for a o/w 14-night Australia to New Zealand cruise.

  94. WarriorNY November 6, 2011 10:38 am

    This season is completely mind-boggling… Maybe we should start one of the young guys at QB to get them some game reps… Our injuries at WR are killers…

  95. wtf November 6, 2011 10:39 am

    Where’s the depth at WR that smack talked about in the spring?

  96. LizKauai (macbook) November 6, 2011 10:39 am

    Hi Sweety!!! Nice to see you here!!!

  97. ai-eee-soos November 6, 2011 10:40 am

    # 89: agreed

    H-back Iosefa, with RB Jackson in at the same – I can “see” the results.

    Greatly improved pass blocking schemes, with a bull at the slot.

  98. Garret November 6, 2011 10:42 am

    That’s what I have been saying. Put Iosefa at H back tightend then we can have Jackson in the game at the same time. And how about moving Stuz back to the outside and giving Harding a go at slot since we are so battered at receiver.


    Good point about how using Iosefa at H back could be even more attractive now due to the injuries that UH has at receiver.

  99. Sweety November 6, 2011 10:43 am

    Like the idea of a H back. Iosefa and Jackson on the field at the same time is a terrific idea and it might take some of the pressure of of our beleaguerd passing attack. The H back may open up Moniz’s run options more as well.

    Stick to the shorter passes and use a hurry up offense more frequently.

  100. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 10:45 am

    Sorry, forgot to change the name back to DPK for #99. If you like that post then yeah, I wrote it. If you think its a dumb post, we’ll give Sweety credit for it! 😆

  101. rainbowfan November 6, 2011 10:46 am

    UH offense is too predictable. UH defense is “bend and break” a few crucial times during a game.

    If you keep Mac, he should take a pay reduction.

  102. Garret November 6, 2011 10:46 am

    I was supposed to go to Disneyland with my family today, it would have been a perfect thing to do to forget about the game and everything else. Unfortunately, Southern California has had a lot of rain today so instead I’m blogging instead of forgetting the game.

    I think I’ll get off the blog now…I should let more time pass after last night’s game before posting again.

  103. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 10:47 am

    Liz, Sweety sez hi back!

  104. d1shima November 6, 2011 10:52 am

    WooHoo ….7 and 1!

    Go Niners!

  105. ai-eee-soos November 6, 2011 10:56 am

    Hey Rolo, and Shaw, and Mack –

    Go ask JJ for some film, showing his utilization of an H-back.

    No shame, coaches “borrow” from each other all the time.

  106. rainbowfan November 6, 2011 10:57 am

    UH should have let Utah State score right away when there was almost 5 minutes left or some time during that last drive. Then UH could have had more time to score, but that doesn’t guarantee that UH would have scored, but better than having only 14 seconds left.

    Hope we can beat Fresno ? and Tulane .

  107. Pomai November 6, 2011 10:59 am

    One major problem is that UH is between the rock and the hard place in more than just Athletics, so it’s kind of hard for the people at UH to deal with more than one at a time.

  108. ai-eee-soos November 6, 2011 11:01 am

    and, I guess the Dolphins might have put themselves out of the running

    for Andrew Luck.

  109. Kekoa November 6, 2011 11:01 am

    You should let *Sweety* post football tactics more often…or are you afraid she just might put the ‘Hula T’ back in the playbook! LOL!

  110. Pomai November 6, 2011 11:05 am

    Also if you look at the R&S that JJ ran and the one that Rolo runs, it’s not the same. Also to compare anyone to JJ in the coaching of the R&S is comparing apples and oranges.

  111. al November 6, 2011 11:07 am

    ad victim of his own impatience……..

    terrence bell where are you now?

  112. al November 6, 2011 11:10 am

    if anything, i’d have left my two starting slots just where they were.

    it was obvious that we were out of sync…i thought bright was about ready to go?

    wouldn’t avery have at least known what “choices” needed to be made?

    does the oc and dc have complete play calling rights or are they influenced by the head coach?

  113. al November 6, 2011 11:12 am

    i have to agree that methinks that the offense is not running the plays the coordinator wants to run. i would imagine that as a qb in this system, rolo would rather run it up.

    it has been this defense minded hc’s mantra to play not to lose and to run the clock in the second half. we have lost nearly ten games like this because of that.

  114. d1shima November 6, 2011 11:13 am

    does the oc and dc have complete play calling rights or are they influenced by the head coach?

    Did anyone else notice how much the HC was interjecting during the play-calling in the 2nd half?

  115. al November 6, 2011 11:14 am

    business is business.

    football is business, big business.

    its time.

    now is the time.

    call it tomw already. put tuioti in as interim hc.

    start the search already. no two ways about it.

  116. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 11:16 am

    Apparently it came down to whether Paclebar at slotback was better than Avery at wideout. And that’s how Stutzmann ended up at wideout and Paclebar at slot.

  117. al November 6, 2011 11:18 am

    last night’s attendance is indicative of where the program is headed…south. the deep south and not the sec either.

    each week we are losing more revenue. it won’t improve. we need to bailout.

    offer a 50% buyout or if not accepted find a position on upper campus or hilo or something.

    pull the plug now. get a guy in before the season ends to facilitate the transistion and to salvage the recruiting season.

    …nuff said

  118. postmanke November 6, 2011 11:19 am

    The most frustrating thing for me is that we’ve seen the coaches dial it up, coach em up. We know that the team can play an inch from the edge, go all out and execute with reckless abandon. Even with all the injuries I like our chances vs the next 4 games. Our sense of urgency or intensity level is gonna have to pick – from the coaches. Fix that and we good.

  119. Pomai November 6, 2011 11:19 am

    #115 al your kidding right?

  120. postmanke November 6, 2011 11:26 am

    ST, can you bean Rolo for me with a football at the next practice? thanks!

  121. al November 6, 2011 11:34 am

    st, but why go from two inexperienced positions to three?

  122. al November 6, 2011 11:34 am

    pomai…very serious about this.

  123. RedZone November 6, 2011 11:35 am

    San Diego needs a quarterback.

  124. RedZone November 6, 2011 11:37 am

    The weird thing is Stuz used to be on the left and Davis on the right.

  125. al November 6, 2011 11:38 am

    pomai…serious that we need to change now.

    as far as putting tuioti as interim, it is because he has the smarts to keep it together and is the driving force behind recruiting.

    removing him from dline coach is the least upsetting and cal could slide over for the duration. we need the two coordinators to concentrate on their jobs.

    the others on staff don’t have it.

  126. d1shima November 6, 2011 11:43 am

    Hilo? They need a parking guy in Hilo?

  127. PolyMom November 6, 2011 11:44 am

    Stephen it seems like you have some resentment. So you are upset with the boosters from Punahou who support Coach Arnold? Coach Arnold went to Punahou. No there is more to this then him. Who are you upset with that you refer to as the Punahou Mafia? So should everyone who went to Punahou NOT donate to the University of Hawaii? Should all the checks be ripped up?

    Are you upset with the Foundation or members who sit on the BOT Trustees. It is okay to be upset when they get more attention from the President and Chancellor. All BIG DONORS get the BEST tickets and invites. It is BUSINESS BABY!!!! Those with the DEEP pockets and actually give BIG money, get the best tickets, invites, meet and greets. College sports is a BUSINESS. And we have to look at it that way just like all other institutions.

    It is not just the basketball donations you are mad about. Who is it? When you put it out there, you have to justify since you are now offending thousands of alumni of Punahou School. It is the end of the year and time for giving of gifts and donations. Should I rip up the check to the University of Hawaii? Even though I did not attend the institution we have given monies to the University of Hawaii for years. We just sat down with the about leaving them money. Should I give it to another institution since you consider folks who went to Punahou the MAFIA?

    Don Wier, KC Collins and others have been a large part of our estate plan on leaving monies to the University and setting up a large internship with UH and UH Hilo. Now I feel conflicted. Please advise?

    Also you might try to understand that the D Line well there was a psychological break down last night. When the QB was taken off the field on the stretcher defensive players hold back. Happens all the time. Remember when it happened in the mid 70’s and one of my classmates tackled a St. Louis player who became paralyzed? For years we ALL suffered this young mans injury. But when you play football, you sign up for getting hurt. It is part of the GAME they are playing. Even in REAL life if you play in the GAME of LIFE you are going to get hurt!!! It was a tough break for that young man. My heart goes out to his parents and everyone. Pray hard for him to recover.

    But please it is offensive and insulting to call folks from Punahou the MAFIA. You are now calling ME the Mafia!

  128. d1shima November 6, 2011 11:47 am

    That player wasn’t tackled…he was making a tackle.

  129. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 11:47 am

    Morning all.

    Still feeling fuzzy this morning.

    I know it wont happen but I wish UH could negotiate a buyout with Mack. We can’t afford the $1.XXM and we owe him that money by law but it’s worth a dream. haha.

  130. postmanke November 6, 2011 11:48 am

    just a thought. Just say they decide to reduce Mac’s salary. How does that sit with an image point of view from the fans, the administration, faculty, players and recruits? Has the buzz fizzled? Will the recruits recognize and say wow, you used to make this much, now you only make this much doesn’t seem like this program may be on the rise. Will the command of respect from the players still be there or does it loosen up a little bit? How will affect finding new money from boosters to the program?

    It’s going to be interesting to see where this goes after the season.

  131. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 11:50 am


    I think he was joking.

    If you think that is offensive, you probably don’t want to hear what graduates of Iolani, Kam, Mid Pac, and St. Louis have to say about Punahou like myself. Lol.

    It’s all in good fun.

  132. tommui November 6, 2011 11:51 am

    Good Mid-Day Hawaii!

    Coach Mac has done many good things – he has made friends with the local coaches and teams, gotten the academics stressed and getting people to attend classes and graduate and knows the local style. And I don’t think many can fault his abilities as a DC.

    With all the injuries sustained during this season and in this last game, I wonder if even JJ could have pulled it out.

    With Don Weirs, Ferd Lewis and a bunch of others (including Mikey!) speaking out, I wonder if this is an example of the Peter Principle at work?

    In ST’s pronouncements in the previous weeks, I interpret his remarks in the nature of “fish or cut bait”; that if we need continuity for recruiting, we better take action NOW – but not let it linger on till season’s end.

    But like it or not, the sun will rise tomorrow.

  133. al November 6, 2011 11:52 am

    nah. its time to let the horse out of the barn.

  134. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 11:54 am


    Would you have kept Herman or Vonappon on for $0.50/year with all that money that was his current salary vanishing into thin air?

    Part of the problem is we don’t know where this “savings on coach’s salary” actually goes to. reinvested? paying the debt down? assistant coaches? The other problem is you basically resign the program to continue on its current path only to rally around that fact that you “saved” half a million.

  135. al November 6, 2011 11:54 am

    tommui…actually this coach does not know the local coaches.

  136. d1shima November 6, 2011 11:58 am

    the others on staff don’t have it.

    One has been there.

  137. Don Weir November 6, 2011 11:59 am

    The Run and Shoot, as an offense system, is moribund. It doesn’t matter who coaches it, or coached it, or ran it. Using four wide-outs on certain plays is great, as part of an offense package that also utilizes a running attack inside and outside. Also, the use of a tight end is devasting if done properly and, as part of a planned system (I remember UH’s John Conley and Elton Shintaku as I write this). I also grew up watching Gary Garrison at SDSU and on the Chargers.

    I had a long conversation with a fellow fan (from Punahou who took exception to the term Punahou Mafia I might add) and pointed out the number of times in the 2nd half of games that UH was stymied. This is due, mostly this year, to opposing coaches, on both offense and defensive, looking at opposition tendencies and making the correct adjustments. To do that takes a learning curve up in the box. It is not done making impassioned half time speeches.


    Who would you recruit if abilities were the same?

    1. The player who tells you he wants to make the travelling squad next year,

    2. The player who tells you he wants to start at a position next year.

    Bowl Games

    Recruiting and bowl games have many similarities.

    1. Do you want to just make it to a bowl game (Sheraton Hawaii Bowl was created by ESPN for UH)? You know, I know it, and most of the football community across the nation knows it.

    2. Do you want to make it to the highest ranked bowl game for future recruiting, team recognition, national exposure, and fan appreciation/support.

  138. al November 6, 2011 11:59 am

    but he lost it…

  139. al November 6, 2011 12:00 pm

    wasn’t he supposed to recognize that it was not the regular punter back there???

  140. d1shima November 6, 2011 12:00 pm

    More to the point, they don’t know him!

  141. PolyMom November 6, 2011 12:02 pm

    #131 no he is not joking. He is serious. I went to Punahou as well and sit on their SoCal group. I feel very offended by his statements. Also when you work for the press, things like this should not be in place. Heck I would get FIRED for making personal comments about others not even involved. Are they mad at Alan Arakawa and others? Really this is nothing to joke about. This is a serious matter.

    Regarding other HIGH Caliber Coaches coming to Hawaii. Yes they are interested for the RIGHT price and give them the freedom to recruit where they want to recruit. Many Coaches would come for the RIGHT price. But you get what you pay for. You know what I mean. Now a days for Coaches a Million dollars in nothing. Heck Pete Carroll was making more then 5 Million at USC. Norm Chow makes more then Coach Mack. I mean really…..

  142. postmanke November 6, 2011 12:05 pm

    My interpretation take on “Punahoa Mafia” wasn’t as literal.

    But, I did like they way they shanagled Coach Arnold into Manoa – those mafia bastards!

  143. d1shima November 6, 2011 12:06 pm

    Eh, Pun Peeps. Relax!

    It’s just a Rough Rider talking…

    …besides, you folks won the last Paint Brush War quite handily! 😆

  144. PolyMom November 6, 2011 12:08 pm

    #134 have heard it all my life. If you were on my FB with the BEST football players ever, the Polynesian Platoon (Mosi Tatupu, Keith Uperesa, Jack Wright, Land and Mike Ciacci, Neal Ane) as they were called back in the day….I have heard it all! But let me say this…when Punahou goes on the road to the mainland, we can still KICK butt! We played VISTA this year in SD. And it was a great game. So much so, my husband loves that team as well now!!!!

    And the Punahou kicker right now #15, he could out kick anyone on the UH team. That kid is incredible. Getting offers from all over. Heck even my husband is calling his Ivy University Head Coach to get that KID! He is awesome!!!! Did you see his 67 year field goal???? Yah now that is impressive.

  145. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 12:09 pm

    67 year FG? That is a lot of hang time!!!

  146. PolyMom November 6, 2011 12:10 pm

    @#143, wow don’t think so. Think someone has a beef with the Punahou Mafia!!!! See that is not something to joke about. Folks all over the country read this blog.

  147. d1shima November 6, 2011 12:12 pm

    the BEST football players ever

    Wasn’t that the bunch who couldn’t stop Eddie Hamada’s Boom Series?

  148. postmanke November 6, 2011 12:15 pm

    146 – exactly FOOTBALL BLOG.

  149. Stretch November 6, 2011 12:15 pm

    I agree with Al #115, it’s time.

    I think all football fans want the team to be in the Top 25. Right now, we can’t even break Top 100. We are NOT competitive against Top 80 teams, combined 8-16 the past 4 years. Only having a winning record against teams ranked lower than 80 (16-6) or 1AA (4-0) teams is not acceptable for me. BTW, we have lost 3 games this season to teams ranked over 100.

  150. tommui November 6, 2011 12:19 pm

    POLYMOM: It used to be the RHS mafia when WF was calling a lot of the shots for UH athletics from his law office downtown.

    Lot of the Punahou thing probably came from old history when the Missionary families began the school 100 plus years ago. Strangely enough, they “first families” started at what became Kamehameha.

    And of course that school got its reputation as the haole school where all the rich kids went.

    Of course nowdays people don’t seem to realize that many of the private schools like Iolani, MPI etc charge fairly close to what Punahou charges for tution and I think one of the Neighbor Island schools charges even more than Punahou.

    Actually if one of the Admission types at Punahou had his way, the student body would be mostly Asian women!

    No – I’m not a graduate of that school! But if Gib’s friends want to help pay part of his salary, I’m all for it. As an aside, I wonder who were the friends of JJ that paid part of his salary?

    I was fortunate enough to have two clients who gave moneys to the UHF – and they got a jersey or two and I even got tickets for the Wahine softball games!

    So please continue to give to the UHF

  151. d1shima November 6, 2011 12:20 pm

    Anyway, just remember when you see the Blog Host…

    …leave the gun, take the canollis.

  152. Kevin November 6, 2011 12:20 pm

    Not interested in making a bowl game as much as WINNING it on national TV.

    This wasn’t just ONE bad game it’s a string of bad games and behind that a history of BAD preparation for important games.

    My vote of NO CONFIDENCE in this staff stands. Bowl game or not because if we make it to Christmas Eve, I do not see anything changing from 2008 and 2010’s follies.

  153. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 12:29 pm

    I wonder if Mack would be up to negotiate a buyout that would allow us to pay him over say 10 years or so.

    Could really make things more manageable especially if boosters come into play.

  154. Pomai November 6, 2011 12:31 pm

    #150 tommui – Eh tom no lie I wen give you free season tickets to da softball games…..

  155. Watch_Godgifu November 6, 2011 12:31 pm

    Re: 132 Peter Principle = employees tend to be promoted until they reach a position at which they cannot work competently.

    ‘nuf said

  156. al November 6, 2011 12:32 pm

    btw…smu who recently celebrated with an entrance to the big east is even more elated as this past saturday’s win over tulane makes them bowl eligible. the hawaii bowl wants them, too.

    it seemed like the uh-smu bowl game was a natural. now, it has become a hard pressed goal.

    although it appeared that i was joking the other day about having the winning coach of the uh-smu bowl become our next hc………

  157. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 12:32 pm


    Not to mention, they lost to St. Louis for the ILH championship that year.Remember Tatupahou vs. St. Kini? But don’t get me wrong, this UH Alum and Kamehameha grad has great love some of the Buff and Blue guys from that era.

    It broke my heart when Jimmy Kealoha passed away recently. He was one the nicest braddahs and finest men you could ever hope to meet. Not to mention Roe Johnson, a soft spoken undersized guard and lb who played with the heart of a lion. A truly great guy and and absolute gentleman. And Mosi too. Nothing but love for these “O” men and they are no more part a Mafia than are any number of graduates from ILH schools who have a deep affinity for classmates as well as fellow ILH competitors from the day.

    Things aren’t as monolithic they might seem when it comes to old rivalries. Its great to look back at those old rivalries and to remember them as some of the best days of our lives, shard with team mates and rivals who are counted among the best of friends to this day.

  158. Pomai November 6, 2011 12:33 pm

    #153 – the booster didn’t meet their pledge for the 400 grand for JJ why would they pay for macks buyout?

  159. bleedgreen November 6, 2011 12:35 pm

    There’s a Punahou Mafia?

  160. papajoe2 November 6, 2011 12:36 pm

    I’ve said it before, when you become predicitable, you become akin to losing. The WAC schools have played UH for years now, even as Rolo as an oc or Mac as a coach. I guess it took them this long to figure it out. I think Tulsa figured it out before the Hawaii bowl and had time to prepare for it. The last 2 games, both teams had 2 weeks to prepare and also, as coaches against Hawaii, I’m sure they studied the Tulsa game film or even talked to somebody involved with Tulsa. This reminds me of when former Hawaii Coach Johnson “lost” his playbook, they started to lose. Easy to see what UH is doing. Maybe that’s why JJ changed his coaching strategy and now would run the ball more and even use a tight end. BYU used to throw the ball most of the game, but would always start the game running the ball, then the rest of the game, would pass on almost every play. Just my opinion.

  161. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 12:36 pm

    Oh, I’m not upset at all with the Punahou group. I think it’s great that they contribute to the basketball program. They pay for 1.5 coaching positions. That helps the program use the extra money for recruiting. Mafia was a poor choice of words. But for all of the group’s decisions, it’s still the AD who initiates proposals, not outside groups.

  162. PolyMom November 6, 2011 12:36 pm

    @#150. TOMMUI, wow if I am going to be called the MAIFIA I would much rather be called a THUG in a COCKTAIL DRESS…LOL!!! It just suits my personality better…LOL!!!!!

    But many of us can not post true thoughts as things are not changing. And we would take a smack down from the other bloggers. I have my own blog and I have to keep my opinions to myself. I am not allowed to put it out there. Why? I would get FIRED for insulting anyone that did not have any connection to the topic matter.

    I mean for us here on the mainland, we find it so sad to see the games with NO one in the stands. Even the student section is empty. They need to make football fun! They should BAN the game on TV on Oahu. Unless you are handicapped and unable to attend games. They do that in several states.

    Heck I have been on the list for seats for tickets for the Texas A&M home games for 4 years. And I do not even live there. I just want the tickets! I have to wait for folks to DIE to get the tickets I want. I am not kidding. And they seat 101,000 fans. Look at Ohio State and the SHOE you have to wait until folks die there to get season tickets. If we want to play with the BIG BOYS we need to MAN UP and act like the BIG BOYS!

  163. postmanke November 6, 2011 12:38 pm

    153 – I would think so..

    Some tough questions Mack is going to have to ask himself if he’s up for an extension.

    * how is this going to impact my family?

    * will i have the support of the admin, community, punahoa mafia, etc

    * do i have the energy, desire to keep it going.

    * how will this benefit the University? benefit me?

    He’s a “nice guy” if he was asked, i think he would.

  164. RedondoWarrior November 6, 2011 12:38 pm

    If we’re looking for a new head coach, take a look at Mike Leach. He wants to coach again, never had a losing season at Texas Tech, innovative, explosive offense, good defense. He could possibly recruit the north shore (grew up Mormon). He may not be cheap, but, he won’t be as expensive as he once was – He wants to coach…

  165. 12thMan November 6, 2011 12:39 pm


    Your 4+ paragraph input was annoying. No one cares. Not even about a Punahou kicker who can kick a 67 yard field goal. How irrelevant. Understand blogs make up free speech, but since when did letters strung together make up feelings, such as being upset.

  166. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 12:39 pm

    I meant group’s contributions.

  167. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 12:39 pm


    To which $400,000 are you referring to? You mean the boosters share of $400,000 that went to his salary every year or something else?

    My point is that over a 10 year period we could do a 60-40 split or something where boosters could provide $40K and $60K by UHAD. It’s better than paying up $1.XXM or whatever that we can’t afford today, tomorrow, or even next week.

  168. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 12:42 pm

    Maybe hui is a better word.

    Apologies PolyMom.

    What’s the name of your blog?

  169. d1shima November 6, 2011 12:43 pm

    Where were the students last night? 👿

  170. papajoe2 November 6, 2011 12:44 pm

    Rain cancels out free tickets.

  171. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 12:45 pm

    The trouble with booster splits is that if the donations fall short, Na Koa has to cover. Don’t want to get into a situation for Na Koa to subsidize salaries. Na Koa has a finite amount of resources and its contributions could go to more pressing needs.

  172. al November 6, 2011 12:47 pm

    our depth is an apparent problem and not the system.

    it is obvious to some that when we lose a player or two we don’t have a replacement/backup who is ready to go in and compete. i don’t fault the individual players for this.

    this staff is on its fourth year, which means to me that they should have had enough time to develop the proper numbers of first, second, and third string players for each position through proper recruiting and coaching.

    but, we aren’t at that level or even near that.

    who’s to blame?

    it is apparent however, that we don’t have this.

  173. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 12:47 pm

    Donovan said UH provides between eight and 15 buses for students. Of the eight buses yesterday only three were packed full.

  174. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 12:48 pm


    Good point. I guess as much as it is important to find a manageable way to pay for a buyout, it’s important that if we get boosters they need to be financially stable and have the integrity to follow through with the commitment 9 years down the road.

  175. papajoe2 November 6, 2011 12:48 pm

    I am too, bothered by the Hawaii Bowl. I would rather we not play in it if we don’t have enough preparation time to win it. The last few left many supporters sad and on national tv too.

  176. d1shima November 6, 2011 12:50 pm

    three full buses?

    Where were they sitting? That section was empty! 🙁

  177. papajoe2 November 6, 2011 12:51 pm

    #175, unless its making the school a ton of money.

  178. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 12:53 pm

    The Punahou kicker trained on the UH campus a couple of times. He was with Tyler Hadden.

  179. postmanke November 6, 2011 12:54 pm

    164 – Its gonna be expensive to “Swing your Sword” with Leach. But no doubt it would be profitable endeavor.

  180. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 12:55 pm

    I think the end zones are part of the student section.

    I blame this on the departure of Kara. She was an energetic member of the marketing crew.

  181. PolyMom November 6, 2011 12:56 pm

    Steven you would not be interested in my blog. It is about LOVE and getting rid of cheating lying husbands and boyfriends. Most of my bloggers and man hatting women!

  182. PolyMom November 6, 2011 12:57 pm

    REDONDO BEACH WARRIOR, I agree about MIKE LEACH! He is also a very nice guy.

  183. Wes'side Warrior November 6, 2011 12:57 pm

    Howzit, everyone!

    Hard hitting game last night, as the injuries attest to.

    Surprised that someone has taken offense to a label made in fun. Many labels have been dished out here, all in the name of fun. More and more (new) posters have been commenting to the point of trying to tell the Blogmeister what to say and how to say it. Perhaps *Mafia* was not the best descriptive word to use, but we could definitely see the humor in it. If we can’t laugh and have fun amongst friends, and are only critical of what everyone says from here on out, why gather to talk story? Lighten up, people!

    Heal up and take care of school, Warriors! We need every one of you available for these last few games!!!

  184. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 12:58 pm


    Might be worth a shot. Mack is indeed a nice guy.

  185. PolyMom November 6, 2011 12:58 pm

    @ 12TH MAN, TUFF! Don’t read it if you don’t like it! That is how BLOGS roll!

  186. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 12:59 pm



  187. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 12:59 pm

    the irony. lol

  188. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 1:00 pm


    Now you got us all curious.

  189. WarriorNY November 6, 2011 1:00 pm

    Are people really being offended by the word MAFIA on a blog? I feel like my head is about to explode…

    Let’s go Giants!!!

  190. Wes'side Warrior November 6, 2011 1:01 pm

    I look forward to a successful push through what’s left of 2011, building towards a solid 2012 and beyond.

    We gotta get this junk taste out of our mouths and go for the jugular in every game from now ’til forever. No more Mr. Nice Guy unless we’re up by 45 with 1 minute left in the game!

    Go, Warriors!!!

  191. tom mui November 6, 2011 1:06 pm

    POLY MOM: When did you graduate from that august school?

    You can reach me at tommui(at)hawaii(dot)rr(dot)com

  192. WarriorNY November 6, 2011 1:06 pm

    Looks like Greg Salas is having another solid game for St. Louis…

  193. 12thMan November 6, 2011 1:07 pm

    Polymom, don’t get me wrong; I loved it! Ha ha all of this stimulates the curiosity in each of us. Wouldn’t type anything if I wasn’t interested in another’s response. For example, one such opinion that Nevada will defeat UH this upcoming Saturday, that Fresno and BYU games will be tough matches, and UH just might come out of the season under .500.

  194. Wes'side Warrior November 6, 2011 1:07 pm

    I can understand the need to go for those long bombs to “keep the defense honest,” but we need to take a slightly different approach, I think. I’d like to see us consistently move the chains and get first down after first down, mixing in runs with quick, short passes. Lull the defense to sleep with a few first downs first, then surprise them with a naked bootleg or other play action medium passes. Gotta stick with the high-percentage stuff.

    It was working for us in the first half, and then we went conservative to try to burn some clock and shorten the game. Stick with what was working.

  195. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 1:08 pm

    Kanoa Leahy (Iolani grad) often teases his father Jim (St. Louis) about the so called “St. Louis Mafia.” Guys who drive Cadillacs and use lots of hair spray (his words). It’s all in fun.

  196. Bulla November 6, 2011 1:09 pm

    WE would love to read your blog PolyMom, share with all of us.

    i remember when Gigi used to send us updates from her blog…..that was a long time ago, but was very entertaining…..oh yeah, just like this blog…entertaining…for a moment there i thought this was a library of congress entry….nope, still ST’s blog, still the Tsaikos just ‘talkin story’………whew, had a rush there, haha 🙂

  197. d1shima November 6, 2011 1:09 pm

    the irony. lol


  198. d1shima November 6, 2011 1:11 pm

    They no all drive Cadi’s, some drive Lincolns!

  199. Bulla November 6, 2011 1:15 pm


    and they all carry Benjamins, haha 🙂

  200. tom mui November 6, 2011 1:15 pm

    POMAI #154 & 158

    You mean the boosters did NOT come thru for JJ?

    Re: season tickets – yes, you did, but they were general admission and not reserved seats! 🙂

  201. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 1:16 pm

    Ploy Mom –

    Please post a link. You’d be surprised how many Tsaiko men are kind, loving, and sensitive. Especially when it comes to food. 😆

    Serious kine though. We like look.

  202. Silky Voice of the Gorn November 6, 2011 1:16 pm

    Haven’t posted here all season but having seen Ferd Lewis’ editorial about a need for a coaching change, I felt compelled to state my opinion.

    Personally for myself, I made my concerns known the first two seasons. Last season, it really looked like McMackin was getting the hang of being an effective head coach at this level, where I was beginning to warm up to the idea that UH football would be in good hands and building upon the legacy which past regimes had put into place. Unfortunately, one of his comments he made leading up to the 2010 Hawaii Bowl made me realize that there was still a ways to go. What I’m referring to is when he said “we’re going to kick their (Tulsa’s) ass.” When the end result proved to be otherwise, it just ends up making you look really silly.

    McMackin wears his emotions on his sleeves which makes him a very likeable guy in person when it comes to the general public where he is just being himself. Anyone who has met him knows how approachable he is (you rarely got that feeling with Jones by contrast.) Unfortunately though, that emotional side of his personna sometimes gets the better of him where he’ll get too fired up and say some things in public which can be taken out of context or completely the wrong way. As the head coach, he represents the school. And in UH’s case, represents the entire state since it is the only D-1A football program here.

    In one recent post game press conference (I believe the NMSU game), coach Mack felt he needed to address some of the criticisms coming from various blogs and message boards. This came about even though UH had won the game. At least to me, that came off sounding really bad since he should’ve been happy about winning and not letting what the arm chair quarterbacks were saying. He of all people knows that this just comes with the territory of being a coach (especially when he was part of the staff of some high profile teams like Miami and Texas Tech where their fanbases are far more brutal than the ones here) and that you really cannot let it get to you. Sports fans tend to be a passionate bunch and often times do the knee jerk emotional reaction thing. McMackin is obviously passionate about football, his coaches, and his players; he says it all the time about how proud he is of them and gets fired up and often times blurts out things that he probably wishes he didn’t.

    But being the leader at the top often times requires cunning calculation (in terms of what one says) as well as difficult decisions which not everyone will agree with. You also have to be willing to calmly face and answer your critics when the going gets tough. Some folks are great coordinators but not necessarily great at being the head coach. There are different skill sets involved. Everytime I hear Norm Chow’s name brought up for example, I believe his time has past as far as being the head guy; where it is really about the bigger picture (PR wise) and overall game time manager on the sidelines. IMHO, McMackin is a great defensive coordinator, but not necessarily a great head coach.

    And this is why the AD has a tough decision to make. McMackin is a likeable person and it is easy to see why parents are willing to trust their sons with him. Unfortunately, UH is not a tradition and story rich program where having an overbearing coach is a worthwhile tradeoff to put up with as is the case with those other types of powerful programs. McMackin had a perfect mix (likeable public personna but on the football field, is a bear.) Unfortunately, we are all not seeing the results we expected this season especially when taking into considering, the pay level (ROI). Attendance at the stadium is dropping because people do not like the product that is being delivered. PPV could also suffer if the interest is no longer there. Then there is recruiting as Garret mentioned. Using the investing analogy, sometimes, you need to know when to cut your losses. Such is the case with the 1 year remaining on McMackin’s contract where that amount needs to be looked at in terms of the affect it has as a result of a loss of confidence by the general public where they don’t buy tickets. There are some 20,000 hard core followers who show up no matter what. But the reality is that you need the bandwagon fans who jump on board so long as you are winning… and that amounts to at least 15K more people in the stands. If the future is not McMackin, I personally believe the UHAD needs to make that decision now. Tomey can be named the interim HC till the end of the season until a permanent replacement can be found.

    I also agree that UH isn’t going to land a high profile coach. I doubt the majority of them would fit in well here anyway with the way the culture is (remember Gib Arnolds dad?) Mike Leach’s name is being dropped but I believe he is still a hot potato at this point and furthermore, likely out of what UH can reasonably afford. IMHO, UH needs to look at building the future and land a reasonably young go-getter hire who wants to build his own program and legacy sort of like Dick Tomey did when he came here as an unknown assistant from UCLA. I have no idea if someone like ex-UH assistant Jeff Reinebold (Sun God) would be a worthwhile consideration but I personally liked his passion and enthusiasm during his time here. If he is not D-1A head coach material though, the point I’m trying to make is that this is the sort of person we should strive for. Doesn’t have to be from Hawaii or have Hawaii ties. They just have to have an ability to be open minded where the culture thing will take care of itself just like it did with Colt Brennan.

  203. d1shima November 6, 2011 1:17 pm


    Tru dat!

  204. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 1:18 pm

    Polymom –

    Don’t make us beg, now.

  205. PolyMom November 6, 2011 1:18 pm

    12th Man no worries, if you going to dish it, you got to be able to take it back! Lots of us women are much more into college ball then the pros. Why? Pro ball unstable.

    Like my husband says, you can take the girl out of Hawaii, but you can never take Hawaii out of the girl. Now my husband loves it at much as I do. Thus, he is looking at doing more movies and other projects on the islands. Me I just want to sit on the beach and not be cold.

    Compare these blogs to the USC blogs, OMG this is a cupcake walk. Those fans are nasty and mean spirited.

  206. PolyMom November 6, 2011 1:20 pm

    Ken Niumatalolo. How about him?

  207. shoichi84 November 6, 2011 1:21 pm

    I don’t know a lot about football so someone please help me out with this.

    As soon as Pollard went out and we had no threats at wideout (Sampson out, Bright out, Stutzman switching over from what was probably very little work at wideout during the week) USU used almost exclusively used 3 down linemen for the rest of the game with 5 or 6 DBs. ALL the DBs were lined up very close to line of scrimmage, which took away all of the intermediate routes (I couldn’t understand why John V. kept saying they need to take the intermediate routes…THEY WEREN’T OPEN!!!). Basically they had the option to dump off underneath – which only led to two or three yard gains since the DBs were playing so close to the line and the slots have shown they don’t have the ability to make the first man miss – or to beat their (very often) man coverage long on the outside – for which they had no remaining deep threats at wideout. The running game wasn’t really working, I’m assuming because there were so many backup lineman in. What would you do in this situation?

    Here’s my question. Would traditional RB screens work in this situation? I think they would because USU was so often in man coverage outside (DBs not looking in the backfield). That doesn’t leave many players defending the screen (often 3 down linemen and only 2 or 3 linebackers). But UH doesn’t employ traditional RB screens in their offense. Does anyone know why?

    In my opinion it was USU’s defensive set that stagnated UH’s offense. UH couldn’t beat them deep to force them out of this defensive set. However, I feel that RB screens would also have been able to break them out of this defensive set. Someone with actual football knowledge please help me out with this one.

  208. PolyMom November 6, 2011 1:21 pm

    You want to blog about Kim Kardashian? Really?

  209. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 1:24 pm

    Think RB screens would work if there was time. Moniz hasn’t had a lot of time the past several games.

  210. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 1:28 pm

    Given that Bill Belichick won’t be taking over tomorrow, what exactly do you think UH needs to do to beat Nevada? (And don’t say score more points.)

  211. postmanke November 6, 2011 1:37 pm

    Can we talk about then next game vs fresno st?

  212. Shoko November 6, 2011 1:39 pm

    I’m thinking that Nevada game might turn ugly and take the wind out the Warriors sails the rest of the season.

    Salas, indeed, is looking good.

    Go Niners!

  213. Willie November 6, 2011 1:45 pm

    What happened to the short passing game of 3 to 8 yards to both control the clock, allow for quick release and this opens up the field? USU adjusted in the 2nd half to the draw & the double option by dropping off one of the inside line backers (45 or 9) to the side Iosefa was on, but did not see Rolo changing up calls to counter. Basically make the right adjustments to what Nevada does on the fly is one thing.

    Still miffed about the 2nd fake punt. If I can see it, and yell the player’s number #11 & fake from the stands; how come a coach or coaches that game plans all week, have been in this business for years, this was the 2nd attempt of the game with the same guy #11, have this responsibility of special teams oversight and get paid a high 5 or 6 figure salary could not figure this out? As I noted last night I think this was the key momentum shift of the game.

  214. Mad Dog November 6, 2011 1:47 pm

    I personally want to calm down a bit before deciding on Coach Mac’s future at UH. I did not like the way we showed Wags the door after he took us to a WAC championship and a Holiday Bowl victory in the days when fans would only hope for a winning season. Our expectations are higher now, but we have to evaluate Coach Mac’s entire contributions to the program, not just on a season of unfortunate circumstances and disappointments.

    I’m not saying I’m a strong supporter of Mac. I’m just saying we should take the emotions of the season out of the equation.

  215. Shoko November 6, 2011 1:48 pm

    So, Pollard has an MRI today? Any word on that status of his injury?

  216. 12thMan November 6, 2011 1:49 pm

    What it all comes down to is that this is a game of predictability. Last night, UH has become more predictable with their selection of passing plays and particular running routes and the receivers who are getting the ball. Last year, with high profile players such as Salas and Pilares, as a defense my predictability would decrease because coverage would be spread across those players; in addition to having Alex Green as our RB would make matters worse for the defense in a hypothetical scenario. Comparing this scheme to this year’s formation of starters, my defense would have a greater predictability not only due to UH’s lacking a stacked offense, but of their recent selection of running routes (Stutz and Ostrowski’s dish laterally left or right for an easy gain of 5 yards) and lacking ability to get deep balls.

    This is where Nevada has an advantage over UH I’m sure having reviewed UH’s recent game films and % of chosen plays ran. However, with injuries that stall production especially in our receiver set, we have to evaluate upcoming stringers and place them in the appropriate depth.

    Main points against Nevada: our Defense has to step up greater than our offense; Moniz has to be a leader even if that means taking it on his own and running; second string receivers need to minimize dropped balls.

  217. WarriorMojo November 6, 2011 1:50 pm

    Well, the good news is that when I got home my basketball tickets were sitting in my mailbox.

  218. papajoe2 November 6, 2011 1:54 pm

    When Moniz is under center, guess what is going to happen, run or pass? Where are our play action passes to freeze the linebackers? We don’t seem to have very many plays faking the rb. Are we becoming too arrogant and stubborn with this “system” offense and not having to go to other systems (2 rbs, tight end, etc.) once in a while?

  219. The Stig November 6, 2011 2:00 pm

    Niumatalolo would be interesting, but I don’t know that the money’s right. Thought I read somewhere that he is now one of the highest paid federal employees??

  220. Bulla November 6, 2011 2:04 pm

    Niumatololo will never leave the Naval Academy, he is sitting very pretty and is probably the highest paid federal employee right now, haha

  221. WarriorMojo November 6, 2011 2:07 pm

    Against Colorado:

    LT Laurel

    LG Leonard

    C Lefiti

    RG Faaumu

    RT Shigematsu

    Key Pre-game Injuries: RT Makainai, RG Lefotu, LT Hanson (season)

    Against USU:

    LT Laurel

    LG Faaumu

    C Sapolu

    RG Lefotu

    RT Legay

    Key Pre-game Injuries: RT/LG Makainai, LG Leonard, RT Shigematsu (season)

    Shigematsu is out for the season. Makainai did not suit up. I didn’t see Leonardt (hopefully missed him) but I’m worried about his return since he had a concussion.

    Against Nevada:

    LT Loeffler

    LG Faaumu

    C Sapolu

    RG Lefotu

    RT Legay

    Key Pre-game Injuries: LT Laurel (season). RT/LG Makainai? LG Leonard?

    Whose left? Lloyd. Afusia. Muir (scheduled to redshirt). Muir (scheduled to redshirt). Collins (walk on). Lim (walk on). Purdy (walk on). Might’ve missed some guys.

  222. Don Weir November 6, 2011 2:07 pm

    #171 ST

    ‘Don’t want to get into a situation for Na Koa to subsidize salaries’.

    Post June Jones era

    1. Na Koa subsidizes (actually pays the entire cost including benefits) the position of Recruitment Coordinator (est. $100k). This was to be a one time cost then to be absorbed by the UHAD but once paid, twice paid, always paid now.

    2. Na Koa subsidized the previous special teams coordinator’s moving expenses who didn’t last long and kept on moving-to Seattle (est $20k)

    3. Na Koa subsidizes the offensive line coach’s salary position to the tune of $30k per year

    4. Na Koa pays the entire salary of the tutor for the football team (if I remember correctly it was close to $30K including benefits).

    5. Na Koa pays for the Student Worker (FB Office) $10k

  223. Shoko November 6, 2011 2:17 pm

    Think Niumatalolo recently got a contract extension. According to one report, his salary is 1.1 million.

    The link above shows various D1 HC salaries except for private institutions.

  224. WarriorMojo November 6, 2011 2:17 pm

    I think if Shaw had his way, the O-line going into the season would have been:

    LT Hanson

    LG Leonard

    C Lefiti

    RG Makainai/Lefotu

    RT Shigematsu/Legay

    If I have one criticism of Shaw, it’s that he tried to turn Sila into a C and didn’t recognize Sapolu’s natural talent at C. Sila was too tentative, even lost at C. Not his fault at all. Making the line calls and snapping the ball accurately took away his best attributes, which are raw power and aggressiveness. He’s been doing much better at RG. Sapolu has stabilized the interior of the line and I’m shocked that he wasn’t in the mix beforehand.

  225. 12thMan November 6, 2011 2:20 pm

    Navy HC is not technically a federal employee. His salary comes from Naval Academy Athletic Association. .

  226. Bulla November 6, 2011 2:20 pm

    WOW, WOW, WOW…

    Did I say WOW mahalo for the 411 Don, we are in WORST condition than i thought fiscally, not only physically. how is is the administration stuck you with the bill for the Recruitment Coordinator? who is that now, i think it’s coach lumpkin…….another one who should walk off into the sunset and enjoy the roses…he’s set.

    with all of these additional costs that the AD does not figure into THEIR budget, just WOW….. i am flabbergasted …………last time that happened was 2007 state championship football game and 2006 championship game……..

  227. Old Diver November 6, 2011 2:20 pm

    On a positive note:

    The classes (freshmen to seniors) are more balanced than they have been in years. This means this team will be better over the next two to three years. We are finally running all the camps and junior days JJ resisted. Recruiting is finally being done the right way. You have to credit Coach Mack for that.

  228. 76ers November 6, 2011 2:21 pm

    I am personally offended when anyone attacks Punahou, or makes gross all-encompassing negative stereotypes of a wonderful educational institution; and with it all its alumni, supporters and fans. I hear it everywhere we travel; even internationally! Aaaargh!

    Stephen Tsai, who is the Punahou Mafia? Upon what facts, names, persons and actions do you base such a reckless (careless to the point of being heedless of the consequences (“grossly” negligent) statement of fact?

  229. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 2:23 pm

    Don Weir:

    Thanks for the update.

    It’s nice what Na Koa does, but those expenses really should be picked up by the athletic department.

    There are certain obligations each man has; same with an athletic department.

  230. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 2:24 pm

    Na Koa pays for a portion of the Offensive Line coaches salary?

    You guys are incredibly generous.

  231. Lakers November 6, 2011 2:28 pm

    easy everyone, it’s not the Punahou Mafia, don’t be silly……

    Board of Trustees, Board of Regents, Advisors, Consultants, Of Counsel, Esq., maybe……….but

    NEVER to be called Mafia…….what an insult………… the Mafia

  232. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 2:28 pm

    Well, Peter Ho and Keith Amemiya are part of the group that help contribute to UH basketball. In fact, I just got off the phone with Amemiya about 2 minutes ago. Again, mafia was a wrong description. Group is better. The comment was in the context that coaching decisions initiate with the AD, not outside groups.

  233. Bulla November 6, 2011 2:29 pm

    Old Diver,

    those are some valid points of merit, but the inevitably decision will be based on so many factors…… 🙁

  234. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 2:32 pm

    Also, B.J. Kobayashi and Nate Smith (Gib’s good friend, not the Oceanic guy).

  235. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 2:33 pm

    Also, Amemiya said that the group should not be confused with the hui that wears t-shirts behind the UH bench. That group of supporters involves people from all schools.

  236. Shoko November 6, 2011 2:33 pm

    Maybe ST should have used the word Yakuza? 😆

  237. Bulla November 6, 2011 2:34 pm

    and the Crusaders are still in their clubhouse collecting for Red Rocha…… worry, we get ’em 🙂

  238. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 2:35 pm

    By the way, not-so-good prognosis on Pollard.

    Look for Trevor Davis to slide over there, and Stutzmann going back to slotback.

    And McMackin said he was told Chuckie Keeton has a neck sprain, but otherwise is not seriously injured.

  239. Lakers November 6, 2011 2:35 pm


    now that will get a lot of Pearl City and Aiea guys all nutz…… truth be told….. just call them ‘elitists’ because 1/2 the DOE wouldn’t know what that meant anyway, haha

  240. Old Diver November 6, 2011 2:36 pm

    As a public schooler I took “Punahou Mafia” to mean some graduates who wanted to help the program when a fellow alum was up for the job. I thought it was a good thing. My uncle who graduated from a rival private institution close to the Ala Wai saw it as a conspiracy. I wonder if this is how we form our opinion on this matter.

  241. Shoko November 6, 2011 2:37 pm

    So far, the WAC is the only conference that doesn’t have any teams that are bowl eligible.

  242. Bulla November 6, 2011 2:39 pm


    now that is encouraging…..NOT, haha

  243. d1shima November 6, 2011 2:41 pm

    Good news on the USU QB. Fare well

  244. Old Diver November 6, 2011 2:42 pm

    I haven’t heard a single suggestion that will not hurt the program recruiting wise or money wise.. That being said I’m going to put my head in the sand and hope we win three out of the four remaining games.

  245. Bleed Green and White November 6, 2011 2:47 pm

    So, I agree with many on this blog that Offensive Line play at UH is God awful, terrible.

    Allow me to add that play at receiver / slot has been poor as well. The offense has gotten to be a group of “catch and sitters”.

    However, I must DIS-AGREE with those who pledge that Bryant Moniz is not a capable if not GREAT quarterback. Are we not watching the same games?

    Moniz vs. Utah State, two touchdown passes and two touchdowns running the ball. Not enough?

    Moniz reached the 10,000 yard passing plateau against the Aggies. He runs for his life on every snap, he gets hit a LOT. In fact, I watched the game on PPV and Mr. Tsai said Moniz got slapped around 36 times over the past few outings, that was coming into Hawaii’s game vs. USU.

    And what, Moniz jumps right back up every single time.

    To Bryant, I applaud your efforts and accomplishments young man!

    To those that have jumped off the Moniz bandwagon, and to those that have never got on, I ask, and humbly mind you, exactly what game are you all watching?

  246. MattO November 6, 2011 3:05 pm

    I’m usually willing to give coaching staffs the benefit of the doubt. Especially with so many key injuries. But after losing to UNLV… SJSU…struggling to beat Idaho…and now losing to Utah at home after a 21 pt lead…something’s gotta give. I don’t have the answers.

  247. funny November 6, 2011 3:09 pm

    Been saying it for weeks but Jackson needs more touches. Many are enamored with Iosefa (as am I), but Jackson adds another dimension to the offense and brings as much to the table, if not more, than the frosh phenom.

  248. PolyMom November 6, 2011 3:11 pm

    Okay I got the TomMui email wrong. Heck it takes me forever. Will go back and resend.

    OMG men do you really want women basing you?

  249. 99club November 6, 2011 3:14 pm

    So, to sum up the blog so far:

    “…leave the run and gun, take the cannoli.”

  250. WarriorMojo November 6, 2011 3:25 pm

    Re #248

    “OMG men do you really want women basing you?”

    Um, it kinds happens a LOT, you know?

  251. Buffoman November 6, 2011 3:30 pm

    Bleed…I concur. I just cannot understand the complaints lodged against Moniz. He is haandling the situation as best as possible given your assessment (which I’v also voiced). The receivers really don’t know what they are doing and are just not that good. Hate to say it but this group is a huge step down from our past receivers. Old Stutz, Owens, Lelie, Bess, Rivers, Grice-Mullen, Salas, Parades were just special. I remember when Bess or Grice Mullen got dinged and Salas went in. I said to my wife, wow, we’ve got someone special in the wings as she was worried that we’d really miss Bess and Grice-Mullen.

    We did not have that.

    We are truly rebuilding and not reloading. Tells you about recruiting.

  252. PolyMom November 6, 2011 3:32 pm


    Does not make it right. It has to stop. Not all men are bad.

  253. Will-I-Am November 6, 2011 3:39 pm

    It is pretty safe to say that Hawaii is not a deep threat team anymore. We have not completed a deep ball in at least the last two games. I hope it is not the end of that era.

    Go Warriors!

  254. 99club November 6, 2011 3:39 pm

    If UH had an undefeated season this year we would be in the…Hawaii Bowl.

  255. tom mui November 6, 2011 3:40 pm

    #240 OLD DIVER –

    My uncle who graduated from a rival private institution close to the Ala Wai saw it as a conspiracy.

    Funny, I thought the Iolani guys try to take care of the guys from Iolani as do St Louis for St. Louis grads, the USC guys for USC grads and UDub for UDub etc. etc.

  256. Don Weir November 6, 2011 3:40 pm

    ST et al,

    I have been gone from Na Koa for two years now. I kept my reasons for leaving to myself.

    My only comment upon leaving or said when I ‘retired/resigned’ from the Na Koa position, follow the money. Someone, somewhere, some day is going to take a good, long look at the expenses; several that I refused to sign off, others that were questionable, and continual ones were just downright gifts of ‘public’ funds and unethical. Multiple persons were submitting invoices and authorizing payments. I wonder if that has stopped?

    Do you all find it strange to see the former players of other D-1 schools on the sidelines and getting together prior to games? And making finanacial contributions to their alma mater??Mike Biscotti and Mike Perkins of Na Koa are making progress but no one has looked into the ‘why’ former alums are not supporting UH. Anecdotes told to me is that there has never been a continual-continual-continual reach out to former players in a meaningful way. This is part of marketing as well and ‘should’ involve the Asst. AD of marketing. Doesn’t happen.

    Now you know why, Tom Mui, that I do not contribute to Na Koa on a yearly basis but do so through an endowment and a planned gift.

    I will however always support the players and keep their best interests to heart.

  257. whitey November 6, 2011 3:46 pm

    “Everyone who plays knows the offense and knows what to do,” Stutzmann said. “But you start switching guys in and out it’s tough to get in rhythm.”

  258. 1sportsfan November 6, 2011 3:48 pm

    Obviously a bitter loss. Unfortunately, if you look at UH losses, it comes from teams with losing records except for Washington and UH hasn’t played a winning team since Washington. Had a bad feeling after the 48 yd TD run. You could feel the moment shift to USU. Then came the defensive stops. Then the quick TDs. You had the feeling that the UH coaches didn’t know how to handle the situation. If UH had converted on any of the 4th down conversions, they might have won the game. UH could have used trick plays or counters because the USU D was swarming.

    Does any notice that Hadden’s ball after its kick has an akward kind of wobbly spin, not the straight up and down spin of most kickers?

  259. whitey November 6, 2011 3:49 pm

    Aloha Don, thanks for the info and well said.

  260. PolyMom November 6, 2011 3:50 pm

    I concur Don Weir. Also still excited for the USC game next year. Hope all the Bloggers here will join us on that occasion. Still looking at venues near USC as no way for the safety of Hawaii fans can we have a tail gate party at the Coliseum. Would have to hire 25 cops.

    Don Weir has done so much for Hawaii Football. Heck he was the person to get my husband to cut the check. Why? Don is passionate about Hawaii football. We all are. Look at the incredible job Don is doing for the Letterman’s Club. Heck I already committed to buying the late great UH/Tampa Bay Buc RON HALL name for the project he is working on.

    We need DON back at UH!

  261. Manoa2 November 6, 2011 3:55 pm

    I now believe we need to immediately terminate Mack and name an interim coach. Tomey would be the best choice for interim if he agrees. Tomey and Donovan can then figure out how to handle recruiting and Donovan can start contacting possible candidates before other schools get them.

    With recruits the uncertainty is deadly. If someone like Tomey can tell recruits that we will get a new coach and that the coach will run and offense and defense that will fit them– that is better than uncertainty and waiting until the season is over.

    Donovan will have the task of then working out how Mack’s legal termination and buyout will work, but that is his job and he can start on it sooner. He will need to get UH approval, but he needs to take action now rather than jawbone with the administration so we get this done on a timely basis and so everyone knows what we need to do.

  262. whitey November 6, 2011 3:57 pm

    na koa has two very talented and beautiful women on their board and both are good golfers.

  263. ai-eee-soos November 6, 2011 3:58 pm

    ST’s updated header; USU QB released fom hospital.

    From Utah State:

    LOGAN, Utah – Utah State football player Chuckie Keeton is out of the hospital and cleared to return to Logan after suffering an injury Saturday night in USU’s 35-31 comeback win at Hawai‘i.

    Keeton, a freshman quarterback from Houston, Texas, was injured late in the second quarter and carted off the field, and taken to The Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu. USU Head Athletic Trainer Dale Mildenberger stayed with Keeton.

    According to USU team physician Dr. Trek Lyons, Keeton suffered an extreme stinger to his spine, but Lyons said that Keeton was moving and walking about Sunday, and was cleared to return to Logan. Keeton and Mildenberger will be leaving Honolulu Sunday night.

    “Our thoughts and prayers are with Chuckie,” USU head coach Gary Andersen said. “He is a tough kid, and we’re extremely glad he is going to be okay. We can’t wait to get him home and back together with our team so we can wrap our arms around him and let him know how much we love him.”

  264. 3-Prong November 6, 2011 4:03 pm

    Does anyone have the information on who won the ILH championships in those Mosi Tatupu years?

  265. Rip November 6, 2011 4:10 pm

    I had 75 grand ready to be delivered to the football program by some very gracious Punohou alumni (they didn’t wear fedoras or hang out in Italian restaurants, kidding……) who were sick of seeing money disappear to Na Koa for years and not go to football. That was a drop in the bucket, there were hundreds of thousands more. Yeah the same year we had no soap in our showers and were coaching in offices with puke stains on the carpets, and still went 12-0. June was all about it, in fact the defensive goal board probably used in the UH locker room today was put together by me and was donated in 10 seconds by the same folks wanting to help the program at a cost of 3 grand (they didn’t blink, got me cash in 24 hours to have it custom made in less than one practice week) so Mack had a defensive board for us to follow our goals progress during the season. It took me only two weeks to find these people and get them excited about donating money to the Warrior football program and I was a lowly nobody defensive GA, they came in droves cash in hand ready to donate. Our fans are the best! But…. they wanted nothing to do with the “good old boys network” with Na Koa! We had 3 lawyers on our team ready to draft paperwork and form a new football only booster club and we had big money ready to go, new computers for coaches, plane tickets for recruiting, new office furniture, you name it. But then Na Koa took over feeling completely threatened, and sensing a loss of powerplay ability and within a couple weeks we realized that they had a stranglehold on the system and in reality would not guarantee in simple plain english that the money was going to football. In fact Na Koa more or less said they take the money in or no one gets it in simple terms. All the donation money was lost, the potential young and energetic boosters (who would not deal with Na Koa feeling their money would “disappear” and not make it to football) walked away and a great opportunity was lost. No story talking here, just fact and another reason we keep walking the line between D-1 and Bush league. Too many people with personal interests, little “kingdoms” they wear crowns in and guess who lost? The players and coaches. Taught me alot about UH and how far away they really are from being a complete football program. In fact as I raised money behind the scenes for a new editing system we used on defense that year and other things I had to do it in “secret” so no one was offended or thought we were stepping on their toes. It was ridiculous. Mr. Weir says it best above. FOLLOW THE MONEY

  266. al November 6, 2011 4:13 pm

    mike leach’s name has surfaced on a wish list.

    however, his name is being bandied around for the arizona job. i am sure sooner or later he will land a high profile job with high tier salary at that.

    although he’s never played d1 college football this intellect holds a juris doctor from the pepperdine university school of law as well as a master’s from the united states sports academy.

  267. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 4:19 pm

    Lots of serious allegations going on about Na Koa here.

    Maybe we need Ferd to do some digging into the numbers.

  268. hon2255 November 6, 2011 4:26 pm

    Tsai, you have no voice, aren’t you tired of sucking up to Mac, is it your m.o. butter up the reality of our dire situation? At least Ferd and Reardon speak the truth .

  269. 808bowler November 6, 2011 4:29 pm

    Heal up warriors….

  270. Buffoman November 6, 2011 4:29 pm

    You want to dig it up? Get Ian Lind. That guy will find things. Interestingly people in power have done a lot to shut him down. Nothing against Ferd; Ian’s just a badger after prey if you get him.

  271. tom mui November 6, 2011 4:33 pm

    #256 – DON WEIRS:

    If you are in town one of these days, let’s break bread. tommui(at) hawaii(dot)rr(dot)com and I can pick your brains.

    My donations to Na Koa or UHF is purely chicken feed. The donations made by my clients is another matter.

  272. Stretch November 6, 2011 4:35 pm

    #268 – Need to remember ST is a reporter who writes about what happened. Ferd and Reardon are columnist who write their opinion.

  273. Ralph November 6, 2011 4:35 pm

    powderpuff follow the money. thank you.

  274. 99club November 6, 2011 4:36 pm

    #264- 3-prong,

    According to wikipedia, St. Louis won the ILH in 1973 and Kamehameha won in 1974. That’s as far back as it goes.

  275. tom mui November 6, 2011 4:36 pm

    AL #266

    (Mike Leach) holds a juris doctor from the pepperdine university school of law

    Sounds like my kind of guy – couldn’t be all bad.

  276. 3-Prong November 6, 2011 4:38 pm

    While we’re on the topic of Punahou athletics, is it legal for the school to not only offer a full ride tuition, but rent for a volleyball player & family to live close to the school? Is that where all the carnival profits go? Am I misinformed on this? Does anyone have the answer?

  277. 3-Prong November 6, 2011 4:46 pm

    99club. Iolani in 1972. Thanks for the info. Found this on line.

  278. Buffoman November 6, 2011 4:48 pm

    #276 if your reference to the v-ball player whose name is also the first part of a popular New Zealand beer, I know for a fact that that young man’s parent was for years the facility manager of the institution, even before that young man got so tall and so talented in playing the game. I believe that the facility manager has a house on campus and employees have some break in tuition.

  279. 808bowler November 6, 2011 4:52 pm

    I do think we should keep mack. after a tough emotional lost like last night. I do think offense needs to be re-tooled. after injury after injury boy we in for a long long season.

  280. al November 6, 2011 4:52 pm

    tommui…and don’t forget to invite your hamburger afficionado buddy.

  281. al November 6, 2011 4:53 pm

    808bowler…okay, how about the spread offense?

  282. Old Diver November 6, 2011 4:57 pm

    Don Weir,

    Are you suggesting I not donate to Na Koa anymore?

  283. 808bowler November 6, 2011 4:59 pm

    I know for a fact st louis high recruits. My friend was fda best rb in our pop warner league. da head coach at da time (which is a asst coach at a university) came to our practice and asked my friend if he wants to go to st louis. He told them he could not afford it. Da coach said don’t worry bout tuition. He decided not to go. I do wish he did because he ended up not playing football at all.

  284. 808bowler November 6, 2011 5:04 pm

    Maybe spread might be a gud idea with moniz scrambling abilities. But our wr are banged up. So is o line. would take off redshirts off of players if they are da best at their pisition.

  285. shoichi84 November 6, 2011 5:07 pm

    I feel like the only person who saw that the second fake punt was actually well covered. The run was covered, the receivers were bracketed, and USU got a lucky break on the tipped ball. I haven’t watched the recording yet to confirm this thought, but watching it in real time I don’t think it was a breakdown in coverage, just a lucky tip.

  286. AlaWai November 6, 2011 5:22 pm

    #285 I agree, the ball took some anti-UH bounces last night. Some times its a game of breaks and it wasn’t our night. e.g. We strip a ball, Keeton goes down. #2 QB is better suited to exploit our weaknesses. We lose OL, #1 WR, #1 SB. USU rallies around their Wounded Warrior and comes back to beat us. WTF!

  287. 808bowler November 6, 2011 5:27 pm

    I notice that our defense do good aganist athletic qb and struggle aganist drop back qb. Da backup qb was more drop back passer then keeton was.

  288. 3-Prong November 6, 2011 5:38 pm

    #278 actually I heard it was a very good player on the girls team this year. Just wanted to know what the rules are because I know that Punahou will take extraordinary measures to get the athlete it wants.

  289. Pomai November 6, 2011 5:39 pm

    #256 – Don – You and I both know that if all the truth and I mean “all” a lot of the the people of Hawaii would be in shock, and it’s not just Na Koa, but that is the system and like all things if you want to help, right now you have to work in and around the system as best you can.

  290. tom mui November 6, 2011 5:41 pm

    AL #280 – goes without saying …

    What was I saying?

  291. Stretch November 6, 2011 5:51 pm

    Opening line, UH is 11.5 underdogs at Nevad. Current line has moved to 12.5. Doesn’t look good.

  292. tom mui November 6, 2011 5:51 pm

    #288 #278 3-Prong:

    I heard that it was another private school, so I suspect that it is all rumors – depends on which school you want to dis…

  293. Annoddah Dave November 6, 2011 5:53 pm

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:

    Most of the team and all of the coaches were conspicuous with their absence during the alma mater. At least I stuck around for that…of course, I was one of the few, the proud,…and disappointed.

  294. PolyMom November 6, 2011 5:55 pm

    xoxo to all of you. Very cold night here in Manhattan Beach.

    And a special XO to TOM MUI!

  295. Don Weir November 6, 2011 6:00 pm

    #282 Old Diver

    Not what I am saying at all. Na Koa needs operating funds to provide the basics FOR THE PLAYERS: training table, tutoring, weight room upgrades, tech upgrades, recruiting budgets, and the like.

    I was on the inside, saw what I saw, and became cognizant that my $$ would be better spent on the UH FB future via alternative methods of funding. Like all of us, the fans and supporters, it the discretionary dollar that we choose to use wisely.

  296. Annoddah Dave November 6, 2011 6:08 pm

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:

    Forgot to mention that one of the highlights I enjoyed of the Veteran’s Day program was Staff Sergeant Samuel Hesch’s rendition of the Stars Spangled Banner and Hawaii Pono’i. It was great to hear those songs sung as they were supposed to without the additional stuff many singers try to make their rendition special.

  297. Da Punchbowl Kid November 6, 2011 6:09 pm


    November 6th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Okay I got the TomMui email wrong. Heck it takes me forever. Will go back and resend.

    OMG men do you really want women basing you?


    Reminds me of the old joke:

    Men are from Mars, and women are from someplace where, if you come from the planet Mars, no matter what, you’re wrong!

  298. expat November 6, 2011 6:10 pm

    Whoa, lots of Punahou talk today. My one Punahou comment would be that sometimes those strawberry shortcake lovin’ partly buff and somewhat blue Pun alums lack a sense of humor. I don’t, however, and personally take no offense at Stephen’s word choice.

    As for football, a subject I know very little about, it seems to me that the RNS relies on a special kind of player to run it effectively. Moniz is a great athlete but he seems to have two big weaknesses. The first is that he takes some time to settle in and has a tendency to throw high to start off games. The second is that he lacks touch on the long ball.

    That route just isn’t much of a threat with Mo throwing it and I think the opposing teams have figured that out. Colt, Timmy, Rolo and Tyler all had great touch on long routes and if the D did not respect that route they would get punished. I am not saying that Mo never connects on long balls, because he has.

    I am going to stay out of the discussion of whether Mack should stay or go because I have no idea of what will be best for the team. However, i think that Mack was out coached against both SJSU & USU. Both games should have been won.

  299. 3-Prong November 6, 2011 6:11 pm

    #292. the idea is not to “dis” but instead to try to bring any improprieties to light regardless of which school it is.

  300. al November 6, 2011 6:15 pm


  301. fun88 November 6, 2011 6:15 pm

    All above told the truth. We can communicate on this theme. Here or in PM.

  302. Pride. November 6, 2011 6:18 pm

  303. PowderPuff November 6, 2011 6:22 pm

    Annoddah Dave, I completely agree with your #296. He could sure sing. Didn’t he sing during halftime too? His talents were big highlights from last night.

  304. Pride. November 6, 2011 6:22 pm

  305. Stretch November 6, 2011 6:23 pm

    Pride – are you suggesting that should be the team hotel??

  306. Papolo_Loco November 6, 2011 6:26 pm


    I REFUSE to believe that we can’t go out and recruit Mike Leach or Rich Rod to coach here. And what’s more unbelievable is that you’re telling me there’re not even gonna try.

  307. Pride. November 6, 2011 6:28 pm

    #306 – The answer to all of our problems. Very simple.

  308. Pride. November 6, 2011 6:28 pm

  309. Pride. November 6, 2011 6:29 pm

    #309 – Also gotta change our team drink.

  310. Papolo_Loco November 6, 2011 6:29 pm

    IMHO “Hawaii Ties” should not play a factor when searching for a new HC.

  311. Pride. November 6, 2011 6:33 pm

  312. Pride. November 6, 2011 6:34 pm

    #312 – Every player has to have a piece of ti-leaf in their shoe.

  313. Momona November 6, 2011 6:34 pm

    Thanks Don for your continued support of UH Football. We know who “forced” you out. I’ve asked twice to the members of the Na Koa Board who are active on this blog as to what the HC receives from the organization. No response…hmmmmm???

  314. Dan-O November 6, 2011 6:34 pm

    Bad weekend gets worse…..Greg Salas out for year with a broken leg.

  315. Ed. November 6, 2011 6:37 pm

    What about getting June Jones back? He loves Hawaii.

  316. Liz Kauai (macbook) November 6, 2011 6:41 pm

    Yea Ravens!

    Yea Packers!

    God Bless and HEAL the Injured Warriors and alumni…

  317. tom mui November 6, 2011 6:41 pm

    PRIDE # 310 – what’s wrong with kool aid?

    (good stuff rootbeer and salt – made up for all the crackseed you could not get in WWII – but then, it was before your time).

    PAPOLO_LOCO #311 but the coach better know the territory.

    If a kid, say 6’2″ or taller, can throw a football accurately 80 yards down the field, run the 40 in 4.3, can quick-kick 50 yards or better, some private school will probably waive tuition, get him books, tutoring, make sure his folks are taken care of, but for women’s volleyball? I don’t think so.

  318. anklebiters November 6, 2011 6:44 pm

    Salas departed the game (and out for the season) on the cart with an air cast on his left leg reported to be a broken bone in his fibula. Looks like the tackler landed on his lower leg and sort of rolled it. What a shame…..Green and now Salas.

  319. fun88 November 6, 2011 6:45 pm

    Certainly. I agree with told all above.

  320. November 6, 2011 6:46 pm

    Keeton released from hospital after suffering neck injury…

    LOGAN (ABC 4 Sports) – Utah State football player Chuckie Keeton is out of the hospital and cleared to return to Logan after suffering an injury Saturday night in USU’s 35-31 comeback win at Hawai‘i.Keeton, a freshman quarterback from Houston, Tex……

  321. RedZone November 6, 2011 6:49 pm

    Oh no first Green now Salas.

    Get well wounded Warriors. First the right side of the oline now the left side. And all those injuries to our receivers. Way too many hurting right now.

  322. fun88 November 6, 2011 6:51 pm

    Yes, really. I agree with told all above. Let’s discuss this question.

  323. Don Weir November 6, 2011 6:52 pm

    If it comes to bringing in a new head coach I want to go on record as stating we need a national search conducted by a disinterested 3rd party.

    We need a review committee made up of upper and lower Admin, faculty, students, fans, alumni, and lastly, some community members who support UH.

    We need transparency in the process: what are the basic criteria for hiring the HC, what questions will applicants respond to in their preliminary application and in their interview.

    With respect to privacy of applicants, once they have made it to the final 4 the community is informed of the slate. If the applicant doesn’t want his current school to find out then don’t apply.

    I really want to hear/read a candidate’s vision for the future of UH Football.

  324. Shoko November 6, 2011 6:53 pm

    Tough weekend indeed. 🙁

  325. Old Diver November 6, 2011 6:54 pm


    It is against ILH rules to recruit. It is also a violation to give athletes scholarships. Getting back to reality every private school recruits and the bigger ones do help with tuition. The real problem is when a private school has a duel curriculum which allows the school to recruit anyone they want. This is why on the mainland in many areas you don’t have private and public schools playing each other.

  326. Pride. November 6, 2011 6:55 pm

    #324 – Agreed.

  327. RedZone November 6, 2011 6:56 pm

    And that is why Farrington is not in the ILH any more.

  328. RedZone November 6, 2011 6:58 pm

    We need transparency. I do agree.

  329. Old Diver November 6, 2011 6:59 pm


    I have some real problems with national searches. I just can’t remember when one of them worked out. We seem to attract people who can’t find a job or about to get fired.

  330. Shoko November 6, 2011 7:03 pm

    Let’s see who’s on the chopping block in terms of coaches that might be looking for a job at the end of this season.

    Houston Nutt (Ole Miss)

    Paul Wulff (Wazzu)

    Neil Calloway (UAB)

    Jeff Tedford (Cal)

    Rick Neuheisel (UCLA)

    Turner Gill (Kansas)

    Mike Riley (Oregon State)

    Frank Spaziani (Boston College)

    Steve Fairchild (Colorado State)

    Tom O’Brien (NC State)

  331. Shoko November 6, 2011 7:07 pm

    Wow, didn’t know Vanderbilt’s AD gets paid an annual salary of 2.56 million! Thats astonishing.

  332. PowderPuff November 6, 2011 7:07 pm


    November 6th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Thanks Don for your continued support of UH Football. We know who “forced” you out. I’ve asked twice to the members of the Na Koa Board who are active on this blog as to what the HC receives from the organization. No response…hmmmmm???

    Duly noted. Momona, I am sorry your question went unanswered – not intentionally, by the way. I will see what I can do about getting it answered.

  333. Willie November 6, 2011 7:09 pm

    KFVE replaying BYU vs Hawaii game from 2009. Amazing that I still vividly remember all those names. I was there and unreal hearing Pops Leahy’s enthusiasm calling the game. If you want to forget last night just for a little while, tune in. On the offensive side, Gabriel, Farmer, McArthur, Roscoe, even Clayton Mahuka. Gabriel got some intestinal fortitude!

  334. WarriorMojo November 6, 2011 7:09 pm

    They really should advertise this better, but Garret Gabriel and company are stomping BYU on KFive right now.

  335. Shoko November 6, 2011 7:10 pm

    An interesting quote:

    “Effective leadership is not about making speeches or being liked; leadership is defined by results not attributes.”

    -Peter Drucker

  336. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 7:11 pm

    Old Diver Re: #330. Have to agree with you on that. There have been some questionable candidates on previous UH searches: Evan Dobelle, Herman Frazier, Jim Bolla, Fred von Appen, among others.

    Dick Tomey was not the first choice of the UH admin back in 1977. The others in the running were Jim Mora (UW), and some assistant from Ohio State or USC (I think).

  337. d1shima November 6, 2011 7:11 pm

    Not sure that given Don Weir’s hiring criteria if The Former Coach would have ever been The HC….

  338. PowderPuff November 6, 2011 7:11 pm

    Wow, Willie. I don’t think this game was that recent – isn’t it something like 1990?

  339. Kevin November 6, 2011 7:12 pm

    The question of a prospective candidate’s vision for UH Football should be heavily examined as who here can really disagree that the prospective candidate’s TOP priority is himself and what is the next step for him to move onto another program.

    Let’s face REALITY here, this is the nature of college football and basketball. Dedication to a program from a HC comes AFTER the fact when he receives God-like status and support from administration and even that is RARE.

  340. WarriorMojo November 6, 2011 7:12 pm

    By the way those of you who wonder why Papa Leahey is a legend should check it out to hear for yourself. Granted he has “lost a step” these days, but check it out when he was as good as anybody anywhere.

  341. Eric November 6, 2011 7:18 pm

    Tale of 2 teams. UH loses 2 receivers & a RB to the NFL. Record of 3-2 in the WAC. Nevada loses its QB & DE to the NFL along with their top RB. Record of 5-3 & 3-0 in the WAC. Lost to Boise St. #4 & Oregon #8. Yup, it’s coaching and Ault makes a fraction of what our HC makes.

  342. d1shima November 6, 2011 7:19 pm


    Thus I ask again, “Is everyone ready for Hawaii to become ‘Stepping Stone U’?”

  343. RedZone November 6, 2011 7:22 pm

    I remember that play where Goeas was down the field blocking for Farmer.

  344. Willie November 6, 2011 7:23 pm

    PP, sorry stuck finger, it was 1989. Wow, just saw Goeas leading a screen pass by Farmer. Elam had the PAT. Now if you want to see a sweet, effortless, “swinging gate” leg that really uses the hip and leg speed; watch Jason Elam! Maybe, Hadden could pick up some pointers just watching; plant foot Hadden, it sets up where you want the ball to go and where your hips flow.

  345. whitey November 6, 2011 7:25 pm

    I wonder if morey croson is related to our vb croson????

  346. el burro sabio November 6, 2011 7:29 pm

    If JD does not already have a short list of head football coaches he shouldn’t be in the job. In fact he should have a short list or contingency plan for every head coaching position, just in case.

  347. kapakahi November 6, 2011 7:38 pm

    I gotta ask….Why not give senior WR Joe Avery some PT first before blowing redshirt years for JC transfers Cecil Doe and Chris Gant?

  348. R Smoke November 6, 2011 7:39 pm

    After sitting through last night’s game, I initally called for McMackin’s job due to the disappointment of the lose. However, after a night of sleeping on it, I’ve chilled out. Sometimes, teams underachieve or have inflated expectations. That’s obviously the case this year simply because we had Moniz coming back.

    I think June Jones’ successful years obviously spoiled Warrior fans to where we think that 10 wins seasons or BCS appearances should be an every year occurrence. Hawaii is not Alabama or Nebraska, where 10 win seasons are a requirement to be a successful program. The Warriors’ record has been average (slightly below and slightly above average at time) since McMackin has been coach. Not a great team and not a bad one. You know what 1.1 million a year consistently buys you in college football? An average team with the possibility of making a few bowls here and there. If UH wants a 10-win season every year with the possibility of a BCS bowl, they need to pay 2 million a year for a superstar coach like June Jones. UH wasn’t willing to do that back then, nor are they likley to do that now.

    If you think a 6-7 record is the end of the world, consider how many teams in college football regularly finish 2-10, 3-9, etc. Many D-1 athletic departments, including many from BCS conferences, would be quite happy with a 6-7 record.

    If you complain that the Warriors have lost both bowl games since McMackin’s been here, consider how happy some of the other WAC and MWC teams would be just to reach 1 bowl game in the last 5 years! NM St hasn’t been to a bowl game since the 1960s!

    Not trying to be negative, but UH will never be a football powerhouse. UH is an average, mid-major program and McMackin is a decent coach. If we fans think that a new coach with a $500,00 a year contract will improve things, then we are kidding ourselves. Schools that pay that much are hoping to build a program so it can be average, which UH already is. It’s taken years for programs like Utah St and NM St to even be in a position to win 4 or 5 games in a year. Bring in a completely new regime now and chances are you have to expect at least 3 years of rebuilding before you see any results.

    Being a sports fan can be heartbreaking at times. There were probably a few people in Alabama who were put on suicide watch last night. It seems to me Dave Reardon and Ferd Lewis are playing on UH fans emotions after a dissappointing loss to generate controversy and more readers. They are journalist and that is their job. Hopefully, UH bounces back and finishes with an 8 win season. That would be a successful season and that’s all an average, mid-major program should regularly expect.

  349. Dave Reardon November 6, 2011 7:43 pm

    Regarding “Punahou Mafia” … a friend of mine told me it was being discussed here today. Coincidentally, I just finished a column about the Punahou Mafia and its relationship with UH sports for tomorrow’s paper. I hope it is received by all in the spirit it is intended.

  350. rainbowfan November 6, 2011 7:52 pm

    What do Tim Tebow critics say now after today’s game – 38 -24 win at Oakland, two passing TD’s and 118 yds rushing on 12 carries.

  351. Old School Dave November 6, 2011 7:53 pm

    Watching the 89 UH – BYU game on K5. That spread offense under Paul Johnson was sure hard to defend against. You don’t need to have the biggest or strongest people to make it work.

  352. al November 6, 2011 7:53 pm

    dr…that’s too funny.

  353. RedZone November 6, 2011 8:00 pm

    Wagner used some run and shoot in his passing game.

  354. Ipu Man November 6, 2011 8:02 pm

    How in the heck can a new coach fix injuries?

    It is not coach Mac’s fault that players get hurt.

    What is he supposed to do, wave a magic wand?

    Let Moniz continue to weave his magic.

    A new coach cannot do anything for the team now.

    Go Warriors.


    UH 49 Reno 32

  355. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:14 pm

    Not sure about all of the Na Koa controversy.

    I do know that Don Weir used to bring malassadas from Agnes’ to practice.

  356. 3-Prong November 6, 2011 8:15 pm

    Old Diver/ tom mui Yes, in the ILH it is illegal to recruit but it is not illegal to give financial aid. I don’t think it is too far fetched to think that they would offer financial aid for a girls volleyball player. The Buff and Blue did so for a swimmer a few years ago and swimming is not a high profile sport. Girls VB in hawaii is big. I think that girl broke all kinds of state records, swam in the Olympics for the Philippines and went to USC. I have also heard about the “duel curriculum” made to accommodate.

  357. 3-Prong November 6, 2011 8:19 pm

    Re: Coach Mac. There is still time to salvage the season. Injuries have taken a toll. I still believe.

  358. Ipu Man November 6, 2011 8:23 pm

    Actually, if Tsai would bring malassadas to practice, it might

    help heal up the team…

  359. Shadow November 6, 2011 8:25 pm

    The uh athletic dept did have a “national search conducted by a disinterested 3rd party” group not that long ago and that culminated with the hiring of Herman Frazier. I’d be very wary about going that route again . . .

  360. Ipu Man November 6, 2011 8:25 pm

    Maybe just ask Leonards Bakery to park their truck

    at practice…

  361. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:26 pm

    Forget malassadas. I’m hooked on McRibs.

  362. LizKauai (macbook) November 6, 2011 8:27 pm

    WOW- I think the conversation here is far more alarming than the game yesterday.

    Disunity is the destroyer.

    Unity, frank, truthful and courteous consultation is a valuable way to problem-solve.


    God Bless all.

  363. masteruke November 6, 2011 8:33 pm

    Hey Tsai, you said UH has never recruited a 5 star player. Neither has BSU. The differencce being their coaches know what they want in a player and how to use those players. One more thing their coaches know how to coach

  364. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:34 pm

    I’m always running into people who say: “I used to go to games even during the vonAppen years”

    In 20 years, I wonder if I’ll run into people saying: “I used to go to games even when they lost to Utah State in 2011 …”

  365. Shadow November 6, 2011 8:39 pm

    I agree #362!

  366. RedZone November 6, 2011 8:39 pm

    Hey I used to go to games during the Dave Holmes era. And Eastern Washington where Dave came from has an up and coming young football coach.

  367. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:41 pm

    By the way, people know how the UH search process works, right?

    UH advertises, people apply, committee screens applicants, finalists selected, committee recommends candidate, AD approves, then forwards approval to chancellor, then to president, then to regents.

    When the UH job opened in 2008, no “big-name” coach applied. Neither did anyone from Boise State.

  368. Ipu Man November 6, 2011 8:42 pm

    I dedicate this to all the ladies on this blog…

    Three friends married women from

    different states.

    The first man married a woman from Utah. He told her

    that she was to do the dishes and house cleaning. It took

    a couple of days, but on the third day, he came home to see

    a clean house and dishes washed and put away.

    The second man married a woman from Washington. He

    gave his wife orders that she was to do all the cleaning,

    dishes and the cooking. The first day he didn’t see any

    results, but the next day he saw it was better. By the

    third day, he saw his house was clean, the dishes were

    done, and there was a huge dinner on the table.

    The third man married a girl from Hawaii… He ordered

    her to keep the house cleaned, wash dishes, mow the lawn, do the laundry,

    and cook hot meals for every meal. He said the first

    day he didn’t see anything, the second day he didn’t see anything but

    by the third day, some of the swelling had gone down and he could

    see a little out of his left eye, and his arm was healed enough that he could

    fix himself a sandwich and load the dishwasher.

    He still has some difficulty when he pees.

  369. Don Weir November 6, 2011 8:42 pm

    The national search that produced H Frazier was short changed by an East Coast admin presence in awe of Olympic gold.

  370. RedZone November 6, 2011 8:47 pm

    Too bad football is not an olympic sport.

  371. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:48 pm

    It’s interesting that Upper Campus sometimes uses head-hunters.

    Not so for head coaches.

    Dobelle had some interesting ideas. But his money link was the Democratic Party, and the Dems weren’t in power when he took over at UH.

  372. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 8:50 pm

    Side thought on the Olympics: Shouldn’t basketball be a Winter Olympic sport? Seems there aren’t enough team sports in the Winter Olympics.

  373. RedZone November 6, 2011 8:51 pm

    I thought that UH went after June Jones.

  374. RedZone November 6, 2011 8:54 pm

    winter high diving = splat

  375. Stephen Tsai November 6, 2011 9:01 pm

    JJ let it be known that he would be interested in UH job.

    So UH sent a committee of Hugh Yoshida, Jim Donovan, John Fink and Dr. Miyawake to meet with JJ in San Diego.

    Deal almost broke down a couple of times before JJ agreed to come over.

    That was in 1998.

    Ten years later, McMackin and George Lumpkin were the finalists for the UH job.

    Harsin, Niumatalolo, Norwood, Chow, etc., all had chances to apply. None did. And this was off a Sugar Bowl team.

  376. Markazulu November 6, 2011 9:11 pm

    The losses this season hurt so much to ALL FANS!! IT’s unexcusable to always come out an play flat espically through most of Mac’s era! But honestly we are above .500 an he’s being compared to Von Appen. 2 things about Mac that upsets everyone is simple 1. They come out in at least every game flat at some point 2. They never win their final game the MOST IMPORTANT game for them thats what everyone gets on Mac’s case. But calm down June Jones has had many season were we been disappointed at some point how many people in 2004 were upset that season blow outs to Boise, Fresno on national tv needing to win our final 4 games to go to a bowl game losing to a DIVISION 2 team opening week. Then next season having a less than stellar year going 5-7. I’m just saying our sugar bowl run was great it gave EVERYONE in Hawai’i a taste but many people are getting humbled back to reality Hawai’i is NOT A POWER HOUSE NATIONALY but it is ONE of the best NON AQ teams an need to play like that year in an year out an the most aggravating thing with Mack as coach is that games are always a ROLLERCOASTER RIDE 1 game were dominating then we play flat another that NEEDS TO BE FIXED we have talent but its ridiculous I was SO DISAPPOINTED an i BLEED GREEN but people need to remember even our great former coach June Jones had bad games, bad seasons, disappointing performances an even in our big year we came out an didnt even Compete on National TV in our Schools biggest game an during his run we only had 2 Conference championships. With Mac we already have 1 I still believe in everyone on our team. But if our starting QB can say “they didnt try our hardest in practice or whatever” then something is wrong injuries are no excuses its football!

  377. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 9:18 pm

    In the letter that JJ made public, he named possible candidates that seemed to have “interest” in the job.

    Kevin Gilbride, Duane Akina, Cal Lee were a few that I remember.

  378. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 9:24 pm

    I see some names of potential candidates to replace Mack and I have to laugh really hard.

    Not because they are junk coaches, just that some I think actually believe we have a chance in hell to get them.

    Those names that I have seen; Rich Rodriguez, Jim Tressel, Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll.

    Houston, we have a problem.

  379. recipe book November 6, 2011 9:27 pm

    Upper Campus needs to balloon about extending Mack and ride out his contract. Leaving the WACK puts UH on a college akin of antagonism and Mack isn’t the drillmaster to move the affairs forward.

  380. Bugaz November 6, 2011 9:28 pm

    Who do we play next? I say we win by 30

    47-17 😉

  381. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 9:30 pm

    Ok his recommendations were Duane Akina, Norm Chow, Kevin Gilbride, Cal Lee and Dick Tomey.

    Not sure if those recommendations were pulled from the sky or if he had any talks with any of those candidates prior to writing that letter.

  382. Kevin November 6, 2011 9:30 pm

    He NEVER said anything about them being interested, just some people he thought would be a good “fit”.

  383. Kevin November 6, 2011 9:31 pm



  384. mokumanu November 6, 2011 9:36 pm

    When they did the pre-season predictions on who was going to win the WAC, they shouldn’t have named, Hawaii. Probably, if they said Hawaii would finish in the middle or at the bottom, the season might have been different–and not just for the players.

  385. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 9:38 pm


    He never wrote it out “these people are interested” but I can’t imagine he would have pulled random names with Hawaii connections simply on the basis that they could “fit” here. My guess is that he had at least some casual conversations and “what if’s” with these guys.

  386. Chee! November 6, 2011 9:55 pm

    There is a good chance I will not renew my season tickets…..

  387. Kevin November 6, 2011 9:56 pm

    Random thought while watching the news…


    Thought I was watching an expose on a strip club owner.

  388. PowderPuff November 6, 2011 10:01 pm

    Abracadabra…just like Copperfield! Love it!!! I was just beginning to think who ruptured the sewer pipe around here.

  389. postmanke November 6, 2011 10:02 pm

    378 – Mike Bellotti would be an interesting interview.

  390. Kevin November 6, 2011 10:05 pm

    Jesus.. PP, I thought you meant there was a sewer burst and I was thinking… “dammit! I don’t need anymore traffic issues in town tomorrow as is!!!”

  391. PowderPuff November 6, 2011 10:20 pm

    Hahaha, whoops. Sorry! Bad analogy, but it was getting pretty hauna in here. I think ST did a good cleanup job. Woooooo hooooo!

  392. cocobean November 6, 2011 10:36 pm

    With RB as the healthiest position I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the game UH uses an Hback.

  393. WarriorMojo November 6, 2011 10:37 pm

    Well, I was hoping Mack would address two issues on his show:

    One, who decided we should try to ice the game beginning in the third quarter.

    Two, what happened on the two fake punts.

    Both of those are coaching issues.

  394. Shadow November 6, 2011 10:37 pm

    I like what you said, R Smoke (#348)! This year has been a tough one but the season ain’t over & we can still get to a Bowl & win it too.

  395. AlaWai November 6, 2011 10:40 pm

    Watching The Coach Mac Show. Impressed by Bryant Moniz and his resolve to salvage the season and get to the Hawaii Bowl.

  396. LizKauai (macbook) November 6, 2011 10:41 pm

    I have to say that I am over winning and losing when it comes to the Warriors.

    I suggest that all who call themselves fans do the same and every time the urge to criticize the Warriors (team and coaches) for whatever personal reason wells up in the gullet or in the fingertips, think about the kids who have sacrificed their bodies and minds for this program and all of their families who have done the same- and replace that urge with love and appreciation for their efforts… and then say nothing if you can’t think of anything positive to say.

    Lets do it if we really do love the Warriors.

    Lets do it to have happier lives ourselves.

    Mahalo, Ke Akua.

  397. WarriorMojo November 6, 2011 10:41 pm

    Re #392

    Don’t know about an Hback, necessarily, but this is the game we should definitely emphasize the running game, particularly in the pathetic Reno weather.

    I actually think the D will win this game for us. Nevada and its toy general will want revenge for last year’s loss, which basically wrecked their season, but I don’t think the D will let that happen.

  398. LizKauai (macbook) November 6, 2011 10:48 pm

    Mojo – I was excited that the Warriors shut down the Aggies in the first half when they were typically strongest. The offense was in sync and creatively successful… and the dee shut down the “best RB in the WAC”.

  399. Bowwar November 6, 2011 11:11 pm

    We’ve had some tough losses this year, but the season isn’t over, yet…the rats seem to be jumping off the ship. Fair weather fans will never be around when the time is needed to rally. I still believe in Mack and his coaching staff…As frustrating as it may be, they need our support and not this bullcrap about firing the coach.

    I’ve been a season ticket holder since my college years or 33 years…I was there last night and I was here through the Von Appen games as well. This ain’t bad, but I think we have lousy fans here. How about firing our fans???

    IMUA Warriors!!! I’ll be there in Reno to cheer you on!

  400. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 11:18 pm


    Nah, cuz if you fire fans you gonna fire fans like me and my father and guys who we tailgate who have been fans and season ticket holders longer than you have been alive.

    coaching stinks, need a change, period.

    that being said, i respect your opinion and am glad you are one of those who are rooting for our Warriors.

  401. d1shima November 6, 2011 11:26 pm

    Whoa! Stifling dissent and ostracizing the fans base is probably not good marketing techniques either.

    It’s especially because the players are “sacrificing their bodies” that they deserve to be put in the best position to win with the best direction. I’m never gonna stop being a fan and counting wins.

    I kinda get it that some players may have not wanted to stay on the field to watch USU celebrating a “storied victory” on Hawaii’s home turf. It’s the same reason I got outta there right after the last TD… I ain’t into feeling good for the other team’s success!

    Like Patton said, let the other poor SOB die for his flag!

  402. Bowwar November 6, 2011 11:28 pm

    IWWTHM: Cuz…You got my point…Maybe the fans need to change too!!!

    I’ll wait on judging the coaching staff till the end of the season, but not before…There are 4 more games and the team doesn’t need to feel like they’ve got their “backs against the wall” especially when its their own fans doing it.

    The team is trying their best and I haven’t seen them quit in any of the games unlike the Von Appen years. 33 years is a loonng time and I still remember ST writing for the Ka Leo.

    We never should have forced out Holmes and look what happened…Price and the Hula T. Nuff said…

    If you are truly a fan, put your energies behind the team and not over them…

  403. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 11:29 pm


    post of the weekend.


  404. d1shima November 6, 2011 11:40 pm

    It’s ironic that this weekend we’ll be in the PNW attending a game that will feature HOF inductees that include Fred von Appen.


    Is there anything you’d like me to pass along? 😆

  405. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 11:49 pm

    I’m not the smartest nor the most athletic person out there. In fact I rank pretty dang low on the totem pole.

    That being said, I have enough energy and brain cells to put forth in supporting the team and the program all the while being able to call a duck a duck.

    I tend to give players the benefit of the doubt. Seen with my eyes JJ take the same players that went 0-12 go to a winning season and a bowl win. What does that say? Miracles do happen, *clap clap*? Perhaps, maybe.

    My biggest gripe is that as a whole our program has more resources, more support, more of everything than previous coaches ever had, yet we are churning out at best the same product. Off course the “same product” can easily be ripped to shreds by a multitude of facts and statistics about who we are really beating. But I tend to look at it in simple W-L records.

    Mack can’t go on a radio show and say how “if we had more resources, more money etc. that we would be more competitive” all the while being handed a program with exactly that and expect fans to not wonder for 2 seconds why we can’t beat beatable teams and why we only wipe one butt cheek before we flush.

  406. Bowwar November 6, 2011 11:52 pm

    Dshima: Yeah…Pass me a hot water bottle cuz I’m going to be sitting in the Warrior section freezing my okole, but CHEERING our Warriors!!!

    Come over and say “Aloha” bruddah if you’re gonna be there! I’ll be in Section M!

    Just one small note of criticizm…I think the DC should be “on the field” and not in the pressbox…This is NOT a classroom, but a BATTLE, so the General should be on the field and NOT in a tent ranting about missed assignments.

  407. kalani November 6, 2011 11:53 pm

    #115 al

    You got my vote!

  408. Bowwar November 6, 2011 11:54 pm

    Snow showers are forecast for Saturday’s game, so the Warriors will have to come out of the tunnels HOT or they’re gonna freeze.

  409. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 6, 2011 11:58 pm

    Vanishing spam.

    The almighty is watching us play.

    Hello ST. 😛

  410. d1shima November 7, 2011 12:00 am


    Uhhh…sorry, we going be in different states. Nevada no stay in the PNW.

    But I’ll wave at Fred for ya! 😉

  411. Bowwar November 7, 2011 12:02 am

    IWWTHM: For one thing, we ain’t DUCKS, we’re WARRIORS!!!

    The best change we made was getting rid of RAINBOWS thanks to JJ. I doubt if we have more resources than JJ and he left the cup board bear for the current coaching staff. Graunke went South and we had to scramble for a QB…

    Any team can beat another on any given day especially with the parity on scholarships, etc. Granted, there are better facilities elsewhere, etc., but it really gets down to players making plays and having the “grit” to withstand adversity and BELIEVE they can win…

    It wouldn’t help if their FANS would support them rather than “diss” them…


  412. Bowwar November 7, 2011 12:03 am

    OOOps…Misspelled Bear…s/b bare…like bare okole!

  413. d1shima November 7, 2011 12:04 am


  414. Bowwar November 7, 2011 12:06 am

    DShima: My daughter flying in from college in PNW…Where is Von Appen being inducted? Linfield? Honestly, I’ve been to Linfield and seen their HOF and Von Appen really doesn’t belong there…There are a number of island kids who played at Linfield who did more than Von Appen did there. I wonder if Hugh will be there???

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