Tossing away an opportunity
Within the next two weeks, former UH quarterback Tim Chang’s NCAA record for most career passing yards will be surpassed.
It was a record that, like Chang himself, went largely unappreciated by his home state.
For some reason, Chang’s abilities and accomplishments were never embraced. He has been characterized as being too soft — a ridiculous assessment given the sport’s violent nature. Some snarky critics note that Chang also holds the career record for interceptions. But for every pick, he became a defensive back. Too soft? Hardly.
Warrior supporters always lament the ones who got away. But Chang was a heralded prep star who stayed home. He played in a system in which every defense expected him to pass. And his version of the four-wide offense had not fully evolved; he did not benefit from the efficiency and post-catch yardage of shovel passes, which were not standard equipment when he was UH’s quarterback.
For more than six years, Chang held a remarkable record in a sport that is triple-digits old. It’s too bad he was never appreciated in his time, or the years after.
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In the final full practice before Saturday’s game:
• Right wideout Royce Pollard once again insisted he expects to play despite a tight right hamstring. He undergoes intensive therapy every day. And, again, if Pollard can’t play, then freshman Trevor Davis will make his UH debut.
• The Warriors practiced special teams extensively today. The line for placekicks is LT Chauncy Winchester-Makainai, LG Andrew Faaumu, LS Luke Ingram, RG David Lefotu and RT Brett Leonard.
• Weak-side linebacker Aaron Brown resumed practicing.
• After practice, there was a seniors-only meeting.
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Happy birthday to Kinda Shy.
1st
2nd.
I must say Timmy Chang had his share of ups and downs. But I must say, he had brought a lot of excitement to the Warriors in a time when we the fans were looking to rekindle the magic of Hawaii Football! We were looking for that “local” guy to bring back the fans after those dismal years. To that I say thank you Timmy for you time as a Warrior and am proud that I was there when you broke all of the records.
Mahalo!
Thanks Timmy. You never won over the hard core blue colar fans, but you were special for most of us. Maybe had something to do with resentment of Saint Louis winning all those state titles. Mean you know those govs, bulldogs, na alii fans yeah? (tongue in cheek)
top 5
g’night all!
Thnaks Pomai!
Pomai:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Circle of Honor – Mens Sports
Funny story. In the checkout line at WalMart in Tiger Point, Florida when I notice the woman across from me has a green, jersey-like shirt on under her hooded sweatshirt. I can make out the word “Believe” on the front of the green jersey. I look up, we make eye contact, I ask her if she used to live in Hawaii. She says No. I told her that type of jersey was popular in Hawaii back when Colt Brennan was playing and UH went 13-0. She says, “Oh, Colt Brennan. He’s cute. Whatever happened to him? I thought you were just, you know, checking out my chest.”
THANKS for the memories, Timmy Chang.
The guy who is going to break the record, is in his 6th year.
Morning, everyone!
Funny how when Timmy Chang, Colt, or anyone else at Hawaii does it, it’s nothing. But when a player from a mainland school does it, it’s news. And don’t tell me it’s a school at a bigger conference. All things are relative… to include budget, facilities, etc.
I agree that Timmy Chang was not appreciated as much as he should have been by UH fans. I went to so many games where I heard UH fans around me booing him…many of those fans were quite brutal to him early in the game, often to cheer him later in the game as he had success. Expectations were set so high for him and he seemed to get all the blame and too little credit. I never boo UH athletes and felt so badly for Chang too many times.
Does the current four-wide offense benefit from the efficiency and post-catch yardage of shovel passes?
By the way, UNLV’s budget is *not* $51 mil like USA today seemed to indicate. Their actual budget was about $26 mil and will soon be cut to $24 mil. USA Today credited the entire operation of the Thomas & Mack Center and other facilities to their expenses–all construction and maintenance of facilities are considered UNLV AD expenses by USA Today. So, when a concert or rodeo is held at the T&M center, the workers in the area are considered UNLV AD expenses. The T&M center actually makes a huge profit for UNLV, though.
When facilities have construction expenses for UH, the money comes from the Legislature and the money isn’t included as UHAD expenses. Aloha Stadium for example loses a ton of money if you include all of the maintenance…stadiums get a lot more expensive to maintain as they get older, with Aloha Stadium having an unusually extensive and expensive rust problem adding to the maintenance woes.
Schools like Boise State and Texas have their Athletic Departments pay for all facilities. Boise State’s Athletic Department takes out loans to upgrade their stadium and BSU AD pays the loan off, they don’t get any tax dollars. Texas is the same way, zero tax dollars for construction and maintenance. That makes those schools seem to have a much larger budget than they actually have in the USA Today database. UNLV is an extreme example since their Athletic Budget is just *half* what is reported by USA Today.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jan/10/unlv-athletics-working-be-independent-state-money/
I’m been following the Keenum’s pursuit of Chang’s record and he’s gotten much LESS coverage than Chang had when he was about to set the record. Houston is 6-0 and could actually make a BCS game this year if Boise State loses a game and Houston runs the table, but ESPN isn’t hyping him as much as they did Chang. One big problem for Houston is that his games aren’t on ESPN, so he gets less discussion on ESPN and he cannot get every game shown since CUSA has so many teams playing at the same time while Hawaii plays in a unique time slot that could get ESPN to itself.
ESPN tends to hype schools that play on their network…that isn’t a coincidence. That is the big downside for CUSA taking the bigger offer from Fox. I dread what will happen after this season–all of the UH games that are available for free on ESPN3 this year will not be available starting next year, and I love being able to have free replays on my computer and phone.
Lots of talk that BYU/Louisville/West Virginia will be added if the Big 12 goes to 12 schools. That would open Big East spots for Temple and one other school from CUSA or MWC.
The Big 12 seemed to be fine with stopping at 10 schools, replacing Missouri with BYU or Louisville (if BYUTV replay rights couldn’t be agreed upon). However, the Big East is pushing for 10+ year media right grants, which means that the Big 12 has to grab all the Big East teams they want now or never add them.
Kind of like how the WAC’s Project led to the MWC raiding the WAC, the Big East’s push for stability will force conferences to raid them now or be forced to leave the Big East alone.
This is probably the first interview that Tate Forcier gave since joining SJSU. My guess is that UH will face Forcier in a MWC conference game since I think SJSU will be joining the MWC by 2013.
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/FBC-SANJOSESTATE_6351615/FBC-SANJOSESTATE_6351615/
Hidden benefit of playing a Friday game is that UH has had an extra day to get over the SJSU game and prepare for NMSU.
Craig Thompson proposed a 16-team football playoff to the NCAA. By requiring a top-30 ranking to qualify, the Sun Belt, WAC, MAC and possibly CUSA will be out of the playoffs in most years…which means that the only non-AQ team making the playoff could be Boise State if this system was in effect today. If the money distribution is similar to the NCAA basketball tournament then the MWC plan would mean more money for the MWC and less money for all the other non-AQ conference…but the AQ conferences would get the most.
This year Houston is ranked high enough to make the playoffs right now, but if they lose a game they could be out. If the Big East raids the top MWC and CUSA teams, then the playoff system proposed could result in NO non-AQ teams being involved and all the playoff money going to the AQ conferences!
http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32828357
Morning all,
ST,
Very good article. We may see two of our QB records fall this year. Colt’s 185 QB is rating in 2006 is in jeopardy as well. I think the 185 QB rating is an incredible record. I’m just hoping Wilson from Wisconsin and RG3 from Baylor will throw a bunch of INTs the rest of the way.
Also, I saw this interview with June Jones on ESPN.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7124281
And also, another article on Salas
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/10/19/2500466/st-louis-rams-greg-salas-nfl-rookie-of-the-week-nominee
Garrett,
You’re right about Chang. He was in the spotlight a lot more than Keenum. But that was because the previous record was held for so long. Detmer? I think it was.
ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:
How soon we forget. TC brought as many good memories as those we would like to forget. But, he did help to bring the program back. Once the R&S was solidified, Hugh Yoshida could retire without the Wagner/Von Appen stigma. But then, we got the Olympic fumbler.
Garret,
While Texas may be paying for the up keep of their stadium aren’t they keeping all the revenues generated by their stadium?
Good morning Tsaikos!
Thanks Timmy Chang for all the memories.
IS IT SATURDAY YET??!! It’s Homecoming!
Great Morning All!
Mahalo Timmy Chang for the memories!
IS IT SATURDAY YET?
GO WARRIORS!
GO WILDCATS X 2!
Happy Birthday Kinda Shy!
Aloha everyone…it’s been a long time!
Yes, thank you Timmy. As great as he was, he was part of the “rebuilding” process. And yes, we should thank him for that too. However, sorry to say, he just never came across as “the leader” like Colt did. Unfortunately, I think Moniz is going the same direction. Pump it up a little bit…show the confidence and pride. The team could use it! GO WARRIORS!!!
Old Diver,
Yes, they keep all the revenue generated by their stadium. They also paid for their stadium themselves, no tax dollars used.
There are a lot of examples where schools pay for the construction of their stadium and keep all the revenues. There aren’t that many examples of stadiums built by tax dollars that give all the revenues to a college. UH’s deal with free rent, no maintenance payments, and the state having a special budget category for facility money that doesn’t count towards UH’s budget is actually a much better deal than many other schools have.
Happy Birthday KindaShy!
d1 shima,
GO WILDCATS
GO WILDCATS
GO WARRIORS
d1,
eh, the young’uns both made ‘Hawaii Notes’, how about them apples? auryte……tell #2 keep up the good work……Crusaders in the house 🙂
Great post ST. It always bothered me how the fans treat Timmy. Arguably he was the most heralded recruit to stay home and the way fans treated him was unfair. He wasn’t perfect while he played but he stayed home to represent the home state in a time when it could have been easier to sign with a BCS team. People complain about the big fish getting away but when one does stay home they trash him. He’s one of the nicest guys you’ll meet. Cheers to Timmy.
Is it just me or are there others misinterpreting the purpose for this outright attack about Chang. It is undermining to say he was not appreciated during his time for he put up astronomical records for His time. He revived hawaii football in desperate times, comparable to what Moniz is doing now.. sort of. To put those numbers up with consistency, there is no telling of how “soft” he was. Sometimes its funny how the topic and purpose of our journalism reveals and puts up a mirror of its author.
Timmy was going after the ALL TIME NCAA RECORD, and we couldn’t even fill the stadium. Put that in perspective, when Alabama has their annual Red/White Spring game, there are 90,000 fans in the seats cheering for Alabama and hoping they win….. call it what you want, now THAT is fan support 🙂
There were alot of great memories made by T.C. And company…but one thing I will never forget is when his own fans booed him…such a sad thing to be in the stadium and witness that…till this day I still cannot believe that happened
Timmy Chang won’t be forgotten. There are people I meet all over the United States still saying to me, “Your son plays for Hawaii?”
(Then I’d say yes)
Then they say, [Wasn’t there this great quarterback there a few years back?]
(I’d say yes Colt Brennan)
Then they’d say, [No there was another one that used to throw the ball a lot. He was real good!]
(Then I’d say you must be talking about Timmy Chang then)
Then they’d say “Yeah, that’s the one!”
Colt Brennan’s performances don’t take away Timmy Chang’s accomplishments even though he was a great quarterback himself, so I do not think anyone else will. Timmy Chang will eventually get his due fame. (Some organizations wait until a football player is old or when they get a large contribution to their program before they give an athlete accolades.) We must not give up talking about his greatness though. I appreciate him, his teammates, his coaches, and the fans he was playing to entertain.
It is great! People from across the country wear our Hawaii athletic gear. There are still more possibilities for creation and sells of Hawaii athletic gear that have not been utilized! Apparel is a multi-million dollar industry and can greatly subsidize our athletic finances.
Warriors 59, NMSU 35
Go Warriors!
Warriors 20, NMSU 28
Time has a way of making one appreciate super human accomplishments and feats.
For some reason, Timmy could never do enough. Fans believed naysayers more than what they actually saw with their eyes.
The expectations dumped on his shoulders were ridiculous. When he couldn’t throw for 500 yards in a game he was condemned for it. When he did, he should’ve thrown for 600 instead.
Timmy was chastised for not being a true leader. His accomplishments, the position he played, and the media commanded he be one. (Chad Owens was widely respected as the team’s leader amongst his peers)
Someone else could have the leadership and the headaches that came with it. All Timmy ever wanted was to play ball and do what he did best: launch that fricken pigskin!! He made it look sooo damn easy!
Didn’t matter to Timmy. He greeted everyone, friend or foe, with the same laid back smile and his “Whatever tickles your pickle” attitude.
We may never see another local product like Timmy Chang in our lifetime. But if we are ever so blessed to do, I can only hope he gets treated better with respect, dignity and appreciation than Timmy ever received.
TIMMY WOULD THROW!
Some Stats to think about also:
Name
CMP
ATT
INT
Case Keenum
1288
1864
43
Timmy Chang
1388
2436
80
Good morning, gang!
I only got to see one game on TV that Timmy QB’d. It was exciting. I hope Timmy is recognized in the Circle of Honor someday. If only 3 people are inducted each year, it may be a while before Timmy is nominated. From the discussion yesterday, there are many student-athletes, coaches, support staff and supporters who are deserving.
GO WARRIORS!!!
Any Kolten Wong update?
What level did he finish?
Does he get to see his parent club play in the World Series?
you said it in your article–6 years. The dude had 6 years in june jones system, of course hes gonna hold some records. He was a system quarterback, no doubt about it
Now I don’t know about Keenum but I know that Timmy was pulled from many games in the fourth just like Colt, once we got the score up to a point JJ would pull them. I don’t know how many quarters that he sat out. Can you imagine what the numbers would look like if he and Colt both played all four quarters.
bombucha – read it again, he didn’t play for six years his record stood for six years. And tell me what QB college or pro who doesn’t play in a system, they all are systems, ours just happens to be one of the best.
Sometimes, actually a LOT of times, local fans have the highest expectations but provide the LEAST amount of consistent support as fans themselves.
Reminds me of the cliché stereotype dead beat dad that was never around and shows up during the last minute to leech in the glory of his son and if there is a misstep, then BAM!!!
Remember that last scene from “Waterboy”?
Chang threw a lot of picks, yes, but but just the way some local people treat their own or talk about their own….
#40 – A-Joe +1
Hawaii was blessed to have Timmy Chang playing for us
When there is a local QB prospect in the future, for sure they attend home UH games and for sure that kid’s parents are AWARE of how some local people talk and refer to their QBs during not-so great times.
Chang was SWORN at from the sidelines and personal attacks were made on him as a student-athlete.
That kind of crap still goes on today.
Stigma is there. I remember sitting in Ige’s during that 2009 game in Ruston when Greg Alexander got taken out and when Moniz eventually made his UH debut, I heard some groaning and the prominent “another Timmy Chang” comment because Moniz is a local product and a QB. These same people never even saw one damn snap from him prior to opening their stupid mouth.
Some people want the best to stay at home? Try not being such classless punks to our own kids. People listen and you never know who.
GOOD MORNING HAWAII!
And Happy Birthday KindaShy – make your husband take time out and take you out!
Timmy Chang was one of a kind that we may never see again – a local kid that wanted to actually play for Hawaii! Thank you Timmy!
The wrost part about it is that Tim was booed while his dad is down on the field working the game. How freaking pathetic was that? I was never more ashamed of Hawaii “fans” than at that moment.
I don’t think that it’s wrong to have a personal preference of one player over another, but what is wrong is when you start tearing others apart because of it. Just like I myself think that Graves is the better of all the QB on the team and that IMHO he should be the starting QB. But to attack the one who is playing is wrong. It is a fine line we walk when it comes to opinions.
While in Vegas for the UNLV game, Mrs A-House spotted Timmy and his family at the Nugget buffet and went over to talk with him.
She did not want to call attention to Timmy, but she thanked him for all his efforts at UH. He has always been one of her most favoriate QBs; other is Garret G for upsetting BYU in consecutive years!
Good Morning ST,
“It’s kind of hot there on the field isn’t it?” lol
Why is everyone moving at half speed?
Hey ST, from the looks of it, we need another kicker, like ASAP! Why don’t you give it a try.
Timmy was a great local QB, but it is sad that his record wasn’t embraced by the State. In my book he will always be honored as one of the greatest.
By the way, regarding whether to redshirt or play Trevor Davis at this point in the season: most people don’t remember that Rolo was supposed to redshirt that year he went on his Rolo Run. The redshirt year was blown when Timmy got shaken up in a game and Rolo went in for (I think) one snap. If I recall correctly, that was Tim’s freshman year. Rolo ended up winning the job later that year and the rest is history. So Mr. Davis could have a huge impact even in a partial season.
Have you ever wondered just who are the members of Na Koa Football Club? Well they come from all walks of life, range widely in ages and come from all over the country. The common thread is that they are all passionate supporters of Warrior Football. Today we begin a series where we meet the members of Na Koa. Our first profile is of Kim Fujiuchi.
http://www.nakoa.org/2011/10/na-koa-member-spotlight-kim-fujiuchi/
I take that back, Tyler Hadden isn’t that bad at all. lol
The thing is though Timmy away was where everything went bad for him BUT AT HOME I dont think ANYONE WANTS a piece of Timmy Chang slinging the ball at ALOHA STADIUM! He was always a monster at home! An he didnt have a ton of superstars like Colt did at receiver! But Tim did have his favorite target Chad Owens. I think he would’ve been more appreciated if we didnt get Colt right after. I dont know its weird Timmy Chang was a Good-Great QB an he was a local product I think people remember him being after Rolo’s amazing Senior season an in between Colts Amazing Career an thats why people take him lightly. But the same thing that happen to Timmy Chang is happening to Bryant Moniz a local boy playing football for the home team an doing a pretty good job at it but their overlooked because everyone likes to point out their mistakes first its kinda like were harder on the local players than the ones coming from the mainland
(carry over from last night)
The casual fan? No I don’t. Can you blame me?
The REALITY is that people here on this forum and others know more than the typical public/casual fan. Open up a poll to the mass public without a set balanced list of NOMINEES for induction set by an educated committee and it will be a lopsided popularity contest based on “oh yeah that name sounds familiar”.
AHEM… This is how we got our governor today…….
My point is that it was suggested to have the fans vote on the inductees, MY point is that the NOMINEES must be pre-set by a competent committee and then you can let the public decide from there.
Simply leaving a blank ballot and have people write in a name… that’s what’s unfair I think and that’s what I have NO confidence in the casual fan to make a balanced decision.
Walk out to Fort Street Mall, pull 20 people aside and ask them to select three people that should be in the UH Circle of Honor. Who honestly thinks any of the three people inducted into this year’s class would get a chance or who honestly thinks a UH’s FIRST EVER all american football player would even be known, let alone someone spelling his last name correctly?
I’m not concerned about the real fans that follow, it’s the masses, the general public, the casual fan, that I have NO confidence in when it comes to a well-rounded poll of truly worthy inductees and for that I make NO apologies.
I’ll repost my example ballot and please tell me where does it show the flaw in this:
So now if something like this is presented for public voting, then go for it.
Like I said many times, simply leaving a blank ballot with no predetermined and qualified nominees set by a qualified committee is irresponsible in the light of fairness when presented to wide range of voters.
Again, how the hell can anyone with a deep interest in UH athletics in general trust a vote of this magnitude to a public that can’t name any four starters on UH’s current defensive line but CAN name some 3rd string kicker on an NFL team from 1975????
UH is the home team, not hard to follow the progress of UH football when you live in Hawaii, but are the masses doing it?
This is the kind of public I currently do not have faith in.
Morning… nostalgia, eh?
“Sometimes, actually a LOT of times, local fans have the highest expectations but provide the LEAST amount of consistent support as fans themselves.”
Kevin your absolutely right you hit it right on the nail! I ALWAYS hear Local people saying man stadium ain’t like what it USE TO BE an would always compare it to back in the day! So me being the UH fan I am ask them why dont they go to the stadium they said “It’s not worth the time?” These boys bust their okole off an get to play in front of 28,000 people? Granted thats bigger than some other schools but thats ridiculous. They wanna jump on the band wagon but the difference between UH athletics and MAJOR College programs an even sometimes so MID MAJOR programs is Student & Casual fan attendance I seen fans go to games to watch washington play when their 0-11 yet last year when were 8-3 or something like that we only had like 30,000 people going to the stadium. They’ll always be THE FIRST TO CRITCISE EVERY LITTLE mistake about the UH Program yet when good things are happening they’ll always be THE LAST to give credit where credit is due!
Like last year for example were on a 5 game winning streak they say “brah UH stil junk dey neva beat anybode” we beat Nevada when their ranked in the top 25 they say “Nevada was overated” We lose to boise they all jump on the see I told you so b.s. then Nevada beats Boise adds more fuel to it. Just so irritating they want progress yet they’re either IMPATIENT & OBNOXIOUS, or WHINING & NOT SUPPORTING THEM!
Markazulu,
I cannot agree with you more. Local fans want to live in a mansion but only pay $50/mo mortgage. They want to compete with the BCS schools but yet many do not attend games, many do not donate, many do not support the team regardless.
#62 – Kevin – When I suggested that the fans should have some input on who gets voted into the Circle of Honor it was not ment to be done as an open ended thing, I agree that there should be a list to vote on. Right now there are 20 different sports program at UH with one more coming (Beach Volleyball). Also the fan vote should be a certain %, maybe the sports reporters have a % and then the commitee a %. What ever way the fans should have some say in it.
Markazulu,
Imagine a guy in his 50’s, dressed up with a tucked in aloha shirt and slacks sitting in the arena with arms crossed and shaking his head when the Wahine or Warriors have a service error but we’re up 15-3 in the set.
There you go.
#37
There are members of UH Letterwinners and of Na Koa across the mainland. How hard do you think it would be to recruit one from each major area to sell UH gear? How about coordinating with UH road games?? Football, baseball, volleyball, softball, comes to mind.
One of the great golfers in UH history is Brandon Kop of Kop Inc. He has provided many of the UH Letterwinner’s previous gear requests at rock bottom prices as compared to quotes from the UH sponsored vendor. Link Brandon’s company to general UH gear requests and spread the word across the mainland (of course utilizing this blog as well as viral e-mail). Use one of the UH non-profits (I suggest Letterwinners) to coordinate on this end.
Put the money back into any of the sports support groups and/or UH Letterwinners Club.
I’ll see all of you former UH FB players this evening at the reception!!
Timmy Chang could have went away, but chose to stay home to play for and represent Hawaii. The local boys that do this should be commended. THANK YOU TC!
I know especially Volleyball everyone expects them to dominate! But since Football ended up going to the sugar bowl now anything less than BCS is total BS in the mind of some fans.
Good morning everyone!
Timmy Chang — thanks for the memories and excitement.
I always thought a lot of Timmy’s interceptions came from balls bouncing off his receivers chest or being deflected in the air off wooden hands. But Timmy threw a beautiful deep ball that even I could catch (in my dreams)…just the angle it came down. 😆
Greg Salas Pepsi Rookie of the Week Nominee
Sorry if this was already posted. It’s a nice article about Greg Salas. It says that this past week’s game may be a turning point for Greg.
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2011/10/19/2500466/st-louis-rams-greg-salas-nfl-rookie-of-the-week-nominee
thanks ST for the words on the COH and Timmy Chang. anymore news bits for us to delve on before the world ends this Friday, according to the new prediction by that Camping guy.
#35 Bulla
That is the purest, simplest reason we cannot be the “big time” program the fans want. They just don’t get it. The “I’ll come if you win” mentality is pathetic. I really don’t think the fans would come if were free if they had an option to watch it for free from home. Ah, just my bitter fan pill I must swallow at every home game. 🙁
Amazing opportunity intercepted? Timmy is no doubt a highly skilled athlete. One of the best ever to come out of Hawaii. Ever! Not too many will doubt that. The way his brain was wired for the run shoot was amazing. Look for One, nope. Look at Two, nope. The Three WR, nope. Four.. then boom hit Five! Was fun to watch when he was on a roll.
Individual records are great but the great things you do on the field you gotta do off the field. Character in question? Fumble. Give em time, people will forget the dubious stuff.
Hau’oli la hanau, Kinda Shy!
Thanks to JJ, Leach, etc.. this NCAA career passing yards thing is gonna continue to get broken. I’m not too sure it’s much of a record in my opinion. The passing efficiency in the NCAA is still climbing.. when does it stop? I can envision someone with career 23,000 yards 190.00 rating.
Personally, I think Timmy Chang did a lot of good things for the UH program. For one he stayed to play for the home team and that counts for a lot. A lot of other DI players went away. I appreciate that that he stayed. Maybe he was underappreciated because of the following.
1) The team did not have a great record.
2) Chang did not have particularly good games on the road. His best win was at Fresno St. That’s the game I remember that John West ran for over 80 yards for the last TD to sew up the victory. But, earlier Chang threw for the go ahead TD. We were in Last Vegas and we were all watching the game at the California Hotel. It was one of the better games for UH on the road.
3) Serve me wrong, but Chang also holds the dubious record of throwing the most interceptions in a career.
4) Chang’s completion percentage was around 55 to 60 %. He didn’t the accuracy of Colt or even Moniz. Colt was close to 70% for his career. I think Moniz is around 65% average.
In our Run and Shoot, to be an effective offense the QB has to throw for at least 65% or better. Yards per pass attempt would be good if it’s over 8 yards.
5) In his career, Chang had a lot of good games and some bad games. He didn’t play well against Boise State all 4 times he played against them. You could say he was somewhat inconsistent.
June Jones stuck with Tim Chang and I think Jones had his back. I liked that. Overall, I would rate Chang’s career as being good, but not great. For holding the record that long for career passing yardage at the NCAA, that is impressive in itself. As all things, records are meant to be broken. Everything comes to an end eventually. Today, Khadaffy found out the end of the rope. Hoo-ah!
64: Markazulu-
UH fans want what others have, but without the effort, pain and suffering.
The thing is, even if UH fans were given a winning program, do they even know how to maintain it? Or even deserve it?
This past week everyone was bent outta shape over a measly loss to San Jose. Everyone wanted to fire coaches and get rid of players. Everyone ridiculed, second guessed and condemned all the wrong play calling and offered waaay too much “Afta da Fack, Monday Morning Quarterback” solutions. Even more classic, there’s a few fans who justify their loyalty to UH, prasie the teams play, but then go right into ripping the program a brand new butthole. It’s like licking your fingers and telling your mom her cooking is good just before you spit it all on the floor!
To be successful, you’ve got to know how to handle failure.
Players, coaches, philosophies, teams will forever evolve and change. Our Fandimonuim will always remain the constant. The product that’s put forth on the field is a direct result of our our actions and attitude we portray as fans. We set the tone and the course of the program. The schedule UH plays, the players UH recruit, the program UH has is a direct result of the support we give.
The program will move forward only as much as we support it.
you always going have the loyal fan base. it’s the ones sitting on the fence and those waiting to jump over that’s going to be difficult. losing to UNLV and SJSU doesn’t help the cause and addressing the same correctable mistakes weeks into the season also stings.
main thing is keep the faith ’cause it will dictate Warrior fate.
GO WARRIORS!
GO WAHINE!
also, nice article about Chanteal Satele today.
#64, 65, 67
Just read the posts. Yup.
As Coach Mac said,”When you point a finger at someone, you have three pointing at you.”
If you watch a SEC game or a Big 10 game, can you see Hawaii fans doing the same thing? Can you hear Hawaii fans cheering together in unison at that volume? Can you see Hawaii Fans standing up in unity until we score? I’ve been told to “sit down, cannot see”, “shut-up, you too loud” and other unmentionables.
Hawaii fans have an “entertain me attitude” not an “I will lay it on the field for you” attitude.
We can’t even sell out a Boise St. game! Auwe, big pilikia, yah.
Our collective cheers should intimidate the crap out of our opponents and the refs! We’re the ones who should be doing the Ha`a! The other team should hear us in english unison. “This is war! Prepare to die!” I getting chckin` skin. Bring Saturday on already!
I believe we can get things working on all cylinders the rest of the way. We might not win out the rest of the way but the way the defense is playing I like our chances vs the next 7 games. Being deep counts. Expecting sync execution the rest of the home stretch. This is not about spending money. It’s about winning one football game at a time with what you got. It’s your 85 vs there 85. Believe and they will come!
Warriors 44 SnAggies 24
Oh, and I expect special teams to run one back for a score. Stop the nonsense already!
From Chanteal’s article:
“It definitely has not been the smoothest ride here,” Chanteal said. “It’s just real nice to have God there for you, knowing even if the whole state is mad at you because you are playing bad, God is proud of you.
This is what makes me so irritated with those know-it-all critics that continually and harshly chastise our STUDENT athletes. Why should she even feel like the “whole state is mad at you…”? Just like above when mentioning the booing of TC. Classless and selfish acts that are out of touch with reality. Sorry for the negative posts, but I just don’t get it with people like that.
Heh, “prepare to die”…
Immediately thought of: “Hello! My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father. Prepare to die.”
I’m GLAD Chanteal said it for all to see directly from the student-athlete perspective.
Not all of them feel this way, but it hits the local kids harder than the mainland ones. Like family cussing them out almost.
Only idiots cannot see this for what it is.
Yeah some say, I pay my money so I’ll boo or say what I want. Yeah freedom of speech yeah.
Good luck when you express yourself around the wrong people. Freedom of speech won’t pay your ER bill buddy!!! 😆
…jus like the old samurai and kung fu movies!
I didn’t get the feeling that everyone wanted the coaches fired after last weeks loss to SJSU. I definitely got the feeling that everyone wanted the problems on special teams fixed. I also feel it is not unreasonable to expect that after six games problems on the ST line would be fixed. I expect if we have an extra point blocked this weekend because the line was breached the the fans will once again drag the coaches over the coals. And frankly if the problem is not fixed the coaches deserve it. And this is coming from the fan who has been an ardent defender of the coaches.
That said, the special teams problems will be fixed this week.
Warriors 49
NMSU 6
Yup, we blocked one of theirs.
There is a fine line indeed.
Consistent inconsistancies from a program justify review of the coaching staff and so forth, but to what degree?
First year of Coach Mack’s reign… calling for a firing was stupid.
Second year, still uncalled for.
Third year… in this case NULL and void, NA.
Fourth. Well, many things to consider and truthfully speaking not much right now leaning in favor of Coach Mack.
Unfortunate for me to say this, but I think Bob Nash’s tenure was a good example of the right amount of slack with the right action being taken. I’ve met Bob Nash in person several times and he is a true gentlemen that treated the fans very well and with a lot of respect, but what’s done is done and the line has to be drawn somewhere.
Good morning Tsaikos….!!! Hope all have a great day!!!
Agree with many of the posts regarding fan support. Hawaii has always had numerous “fair weather” fans/”bandwagon” fans. People who always go around saying stuff like, “UH sucks” when we lose…or don’t show up at the games (or even watch the games for that matter) just look at the score and say, “UH sucks” even when we win…
That has always ground my gears….I remember even back in the day, when UH lost, the stadium crowd for the next game would diminish. If UH won, the crowd for the next game would usually get bigger….True fans support a team win or lose. They do whatever it takes to improve on the program whether that be donating time, effort, money, etc. or just showing up at the stadium.
Look at the so-called big time programs like USC, ND, Texas, Oklahoma, BSU, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, etc. their fans show up no matter what. I specifically remember ND, LSU, and USC during their down years where their seasons were just above .500 and still 90,000 plus fans filled their stadiums. You couldn’t steal a ticket for the game….That’s true support.
When fans are saying, “Let’s play the game a few hours earlier so we can evacuate the city before Hurricane Katrina hits.” Now that is fricken’ crazy fan support…But you get my point.
#80…A-Joe…Good thing I grad from Damien where we always, well not exactly always, but most of the time took a beating on the field. Yet, we never gave up, always played our best, and learned to appreciate the lessons we learned in our loses…and the victories where that much sweeter…LOL
Chang was a starter during his freshman year. That, and the fact he was highly recruited, says a lot about his talent level. Part of knock on Chang was the expectations that were placed on him. He came out from the football factory, St. Louis, and the position of quarterback is constantly open to scrutiny. I would compare him to Derrick Low in basketball. Just wondered how Low would have fared if he stayed at home also.
If Stanford starts losing again their fan base will shrink according. The attendance at UH football games is on par with the upper mid major colleges. What we lack are the money men (rich alums) and the rich TV contracts of the big time programs. Gotta remember in the 1950’s UH was a small university with a small student body. What helped to grow the university was the GI bill and those returning from war as well as a change in the political leadership here. Most of them were poor and not born into legacy families. While many of them today are successful they are not Texas rich. Could we as fans do better? Of course. The university has come a long way from being a one building campus to what it is today. I think it is helpful and useful for the people of Hawaii to voice their concerns about the future of UH. I just don’t see where bashing UH helps though.
Greater attendance = Fan Support = Greater Spending = >Corporate Interest = $$$ for UH Athletics = >$$$ Football team = Better Football Team. It all begins with the purchase of a ticket. $25 X 10,000 more fans/game = $250,000 per game X 5 remaining games = $1,250,000 more revenue for the team. If companies spent $1 per fan in promotional support to the team it doubles the revenue again.
It all begins when you buy a ticket!
That’s $1 for each ticket dollar spent.
Kevin ~ Thanks for your ‘comeback.’ Maybe they can devise a fair vote system so that the true fans can register a more complete vote.
Whoa, that was quick for Tim Chang. Thought he would have held the record longer.
See you guys Saturday!
Ok time for some fun. I have decided to make up a “TSAIKOS CIRCLE OF HONOR” WEBPAGE” Starting with football, but will cover all sports.
I would like each of us Tsaikos to name one football player that they think should be in the circle of honor, then I will make up a poll for us to vote on.
To start it off my pick is Jason Rivers.
afternoon
short break in to say bg, pomai and iwwthm send me ur email addy. your names got kicked back. need to send you some info.
thanks have a good day.
Pomai:
What is your criteria on how we sould evaluate our pick? Only what was accomplished while playing at UH or post UH contributions on or off the field?
I get 2 picks: Jeris White and Paul “Zumo” Lee who was DT compadre of Levi Stanley.
yea yea I saw the name misspelling and have recorrected
#95 Nice post Old Diver. Great perspective.
ahouse you at work or left early like yesterday?
btw on eposode 31 of warrior Baek Dong Soo
#103 wasn’t it “sumo” lee whom played along side levi stanley and was a big part of beating UW in seattle that year.
A-House what ever you want to use – “Eh dat girl one good looking volleyball player I goin pick her” what ever, when we get a list of 20/30 I will post the page to go and vote for one person to get in.
The UH quarterbacks over the years have had bad games and good games. In other words, they haven’t been consistent from game to game especially in some road games. Maybe the other quarterback(s) should be given a chance to play and then the usual starting quarterback can be put back in either later during the game or in the next game.
The Notre Dame coach changed his quarterback during the game in early part of the season and June Jones changed his quarterback last year and this year, something he hardly did when he was coaching UH. This year he changed the quarterback during a game after two interceptions.
A-House no broke da rules you git only one pick.
One thing I would like to see and might help Coach Mack get his extension is for his assistants to come out and say hey look JD, if a head coaching position comes up, what are my chances of landing the position? I would even come out publicly and say this is my career, I want it and this is my plan to get it.
Set the stage 2 or 3 years out for the next great coach to take over. take that message to the recruits. Live interview for the job for 3 years that would be measured by recruiting and wins. (graduation is over-rated at this stage, doesn’t help attendance) It would be inline with Manoa’s appetite for the unknown and go with something they are familiar with while getting the next great young coach.. If I were in Rolo shoes, i’d get aggressive, take it public let it be known and recruit like hell on that message. And win every WAC game from here on out no matter what.
Big_Daddy_Knows:
Your point of UH merchandise all over the mainland is well taken.
Hopefully, this will enter the minds of certain decision makers at ESPN or FOX who forsee the potential of Hawaii on their respective programs. Don’t count only the TVs in Hawaii – ESPN should look at the numbers of viewers of Warrior games – viewership is not only in Hawaii.
Is there a way for ESPN to break it down by “region” of number of households that watched a UH game? I know they are happy with the “ratings” even if UH loses. Does this count for anything?
Someone posted that 1% of PRC households =s 20 million TV viewers. Com’on decisions makers at UH! Build that super highway to the Far East via academic or sports to bring attention to UH. Hey, sponsor a quiz or talent show with reps from each country and telecast it to the Far East. Don’t forget to include Southeast Asia and the “sub-continent”.
Pomai – awesome idea – make a cool website circle of honor and best of
etc and get the exposure etc. More fans on the web then walking past the stadium box office or UH Campus. Thanks all you tsaikos!!
pomai my vote would be for jim kalili (farrington hs)
kden lunch now lattas
Ok as people post name I will keep track then when we get enough I will post the link so you all can vote.
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers
Pomai:
David Maeva “Psycho”
koakane:
jus no tell me what happened to Baek Dong Su – we happy where we stay – but, no can figa what episode since none is put before each show!
I had an obligation yesterday!
and neva mind about sumo or zumo – same smell!
Pomai: OK ok, but i still goin leave both names out there.
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers
Jim Kalili
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers
Jim Kalili
David Maeva
Jeris White
hands down, Thomas Kaulukukui. Hawaii’s first All-American player. earned 17 letters in 5 sports at UH. and his number, 32, is the only number to be retired in UH football history.
when you get to the “based on looks” picks i’ll go with Lauren Duggins.
Pomai:
Jason Elam
Couch Potato:
I once sat next to Duggins on a flight back to Honolulu.
We hit turbulence.
First thing I thought: Wow, I’m going to die next to Duggins.
Second thing was: Wait, I don’t wanna die.
The brain makes its own priorities.
I think they should sell H merchandise at the airport.
…they do at BOI!
• The Warriors practiced special teams extensively today. The line for placekicks is LT Chauncy Winchester-Makainai, LG Andrew Faaumu, LS Luke Ingram, RG David Lefotu and RT Brett Leonard
Go get em guys.
per ST’s header.
I went to elementary school with Timmy at Noelani. I still remember his incredible athletic talent in any sport. His jersey was the first I ever bought. That was before they removed the names from the backs. I was and still am a Tim Chang fan.
Thanks Tim for setting a standard for Hawai’i QBs for years to come.
Pomai
Kate Robinson
Amber Kaufman
Annett Wichman
…the thing about hamstrings is that when people say they’re “tight”…it really means that there are small muscle tears that can easily turn into big muscle tears without appropriate rest…of course, the more rest the better.
on looks? Sarah Chase looked hot on her motorcycle riding around campus.
Pomai: I thought I was the only one who remembered Center Jim Kalili – I thought
he had great “technical abilities”. Wished he was heavier. Don’t remember if he made
Little All-American. Might have made at least some honorable mentions.
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116.Pomai:
October 20th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers
Jim Kalili
Gary Allen
ST, i would have wished the turbulence made her land on top of me. 👿
Pomai, best looking Tsaiko/ette deserves its own poll. Would be interesting to see who the wahine pick.
ST . . . I like what you say about Timmy Chang. The offense has always been about numbers, but I recall more deep passes with Timmy at QB than we have seen since. Those are always a bit more exciting.
None of that Bull ish never came from me! I can attest to that 100 percent! I’ve been a Timmy Chang fan from day one……and always will be one of his greatest supporters. I think it’s just shame how we have treated him since his days at UH. Shame on us the fan base and state of Hawaii. That bradduh T. Chang is and always will be a warrior.
BIK
Pomai ~ My pick is the ‘The Coltster!’
Was the Blog Host able to convince them that he is a “Senior”, too?
Sorry…meant to say “ever came from me.”
T-Chang….wish you were more visible. UH needs to find ways to keep their greatest players relevant. I want me a t-shirt with Timmy, Colt, Mo, Gabriel, Carter….all the great UH QB’s.
BIK
Come on guys dis is for football only now, git to the others later.
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers
Jim Kalili
David Maeva
Jeris White
Thomas Kaulukukui
Jason Elam
Gary Allen
Colt Brennan
so they’re not gonna be using geordan hanohano anymore?
Pomai:
jason elam
Colt
timmy
davone
Geordan going wait on the sideline for the next guy who mess up!
Anything good on TV today?
Mrs A-House would suggest for Garret Gabriel.
Pomai, Colin Scotts.
Should Golden Richards be on it? I think he played only 1 season.
Not football, but now the “tea party” folks are saying its okay if Rubio’s parents became US citizens 4 or 5 years after he was born and that qualifies him to run for US President.
Consitituion says elgibility is with US born and parent(s) must be citizens.
Birthers are on the rampage with above!
What will the Republican party do?
Hal Stringert.
Somehow I don’t think birthers will make as much noise about a republican issue as they did with Obama
Pomai
Gotta go with BYU buster Garrett Gabriel
Constitution says “natural born citizen”, doesn’t specifically talk about parents country of birth. Rubio was born in the U.S. and the debate is over what exactly “natural born citizen” means. Birthers have latched onto some international treaties that they feel influenced the intentions of the authors of the Constitution and are using that to declare Rubio ineligible.
Jesse Sapolu
..and the rest of 1982 offensive line
Oh, man! There’s a few I used to absolutely love to watch… Mark Odom, Al Noga, Travis LaBoy, Ma’a Tanuvasa, Jeff Ulbrich, Blaze Soares, Michael Carter…
Gotta choose just one? Man…
Then, I choose… um… hmmm… well… dang…
Michael Carter. Da bruddah played wit bus-up ribs and always tried to rally da troops, no matter what. He personified “Warrior” to me.
I think the guy who made JessemSapolu look good should be in… Keith Ah Yuen
Shoots!…I wen fogit braddah PRIDE! I used my one nomination already, somebody else can if dey like…
Tanks Stretch!
Timmy used to drive me crazy as a fan, but because he was that local boy who chose to stay home, I always cheered him on. I cringed as he got closer to the interception record, but that guy could sling that ball. I believe he had a stronger arm than Colt or Byrant.
You know, these are our young men, they pad up and go play representing our team. We need to cheer them on.
On another note, listening to the BC show this morning as he interviewed a guy from Tampa Bay, it was interesting what was said about the coach of the team. The comment was against SF, when they got blown out, the team did not look like they were properly prepared to play and he placed that, as others have staed, on the coach.
Sounds familiar?
I think A-House can build a rock-based hall.
Hanohano is backing up Faaumu.
The interesting moves were Winchester-Makainai from LG to LT, and Leonard from LT to RT.
OK, I found it interesting. Hey, when you’re standing in the morning sun for two hours, it doesn’t take much to amuse.
Found out about the seniors-only meeting because McMackin was running off the field.
Now, 99 percent of the people on the planet, including 8-year-olds on crutches, can out-run me. But McMackin is in that 1-percent category (OK, OK. Disclosure: McMackin once had knee-replacement surgery.) But I think Heather McMackin is faster than me.
Oops…
Happy birthday, Kinda Shy! Hope your day is going great!!!
Oh yeah…Happy Birthday Kinda Shy!!!! Have a great one!!!
Some running backs for the list:
David Toloumu
Jamal Farmer
Travis Sims
Matt Harding
Mento Maeva
I just throwing names out there since I only can get 1 nominee. Scott Lehor. I don’t know if I got his name right but the guy had plenty tackles. He played linebacker. Was undersized too.
Anyone care to nominate the original Impact Player……Sumeri Ulufale. (Crowd favorite anyway)
maybe he should have his own category.
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers
Jim Kalili
David Maeva
Jeris White
Thomas Kaulukukui
Jason Elam
Gary Allen
Colt Brennan
Timmy Chang
Garret Gabriel
Colin Scotts
Golden Richards
Jesse Sapolu
Michael Carter
Keith Ah Yuen
David Toloumu
Pomai
I would vote for Jeff Sydner. “The Pose”
I’m waiting for KindaShy to nominate her hubby…
Meanwhile – here’s a big birthday smile for you – young lady! Enjoy your weekend! It’s your time to relax and be pampered.
Happy Birthday Kind Shy. Enjoy your day. Hope hubby makes you feel special today.
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Should be Kinda Shy
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers
Jim Kalili
David Maeva
Jeris White
Thomas Kaulukukui
Jason Elam
Gary Allen
Colt Brennan
Timmy Chang
Garret Gabriel
Colin Scotts
Golden Richards
Jesse Sapolu
Michael Carter
Keith Ah Yuen
David Toloumu
Travis Sims
Hal Stringert
Jeff Sydner
If I could vote for another, Chad Owens would be right up there!!!
What about that Cole guy who played for the Cowboys and the other Dallas Cowboy who passed away. Sorry can’t remember completely, but they were players. Then there was that guy who was from McKinley “Stanley”?. Boy that guy was a one man wrecking crew.
OK, who broke the blog again?
Wafan can’t post.
Blaine Gaison
Levi Stanley. He was a DL, but the 49ers gave him a try out at OG.
Levi Stanley, yep, he was quite a player. The guy was Larry Cole and the other Mark Tuinei (sp?).
Albert Holmes and Dr. Larry Shearer (sp?).
Walter Murray broke my heart against BYU and others so I can’t in good faith suggest him.
Methinks this is Rick Neuheisel’s last season with the Bruins.
I remember when Blaine Gaison played for the Falcons during a Monday Night Football game he made an INT and went out of bounds. He came running back across the field towards the Atlanta sidelines waving a Shaka sign! We all erupted into a cheer!!
Majah represent!! =)
Yeah, braddah Blaine get my vote!
Yikes! All of a sudden I have more Warriors to nominate and I used mines one arready.
Pomai ~ How about honorable mention kine? Like Leonard Peters, Shawn Ching and Ice Man.
big brawl with ucla
Whoa, mayhem!
185!
She’s Shy – so I will nominate JIM DONOVAN
Happy Birthday Kinda Shy!
180. Shoko:
” … October 20th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Methinks this is Rick Neuheisel’s last season with the Bruins. … ”
I agree.
I’ve posted before that BSU’s Peterson could have this job if he wants it.
He’s going to make 1.5 to 1.9 mill for the next 5 years.
Don’t know if UCLA can afford him.
Thanks for da memories TC!
Yeah Rangers!
i nominate (Pastor) Joe Onosai.
Not sure if Coach Pete would want to take on a program such as
UCLA. Might turn out like Coach Hawkins at Colorado. He’s got a good thing going with Boise State. If UCLA offered him a multi-year five-million dollar contract thats the only I would see Coach Pete leaving. However, he has said that he would not leave, but then again money talks.
Petersen is perfect for Boise because he’s a recluse. He’d hate to face the LA media every day.
Then again.. maybe there’s something in them there taters…
Dan Audick-
Played for UH from ’72 to ’77. Drafted by the Steelers. Played for the Cardinals and moved onto the Chargers where he blocked for Dan Fouts in the “Air Coryell” offense.
Dan was traded to the Niners. Considered undersized, Audick was in charge of protecting Montana’s blindside.
Dan is forever immortalized in the background of Dwight Clark’s infamous Sports Illustrated covershot of, “The Catch.”
Dan is credited with helping author, Michael Lewis, understand the role of the “undersized” versus the “prototypical” Offensive tackle. With the advent of dominating pass rushing defensive ends and linebackers of the 70’s and 80’s like Lawrence Taylor and Fred Dean, NFL teams often chose an “undersized” tackle with excellent foot agility, blocking explosiveness, and quickness in lieu of a “prototypical” tackle in order to protect a quarterback’s “blind side.” Michael Lewis’ book was made into the movie, “The Blindside.”
Dan Audick gets my udder vote.
Wow!
Coaching change in the desert, eh?
A-house,
Ne’er mind Rubio…watch Fisker!
I see QBs like Chang, Keenum, Harrell and McCoy breaking all of these records and I notice one striking resemblance, the number of years it took them to do it and I think that should play a part in who should hold the record. No disrespect to these players but what Keenum is about to do this year Colt Brennan did it in only 3 years, now thats gotta count for somthing.
Henry Kapono? lol
Warriors 68 NMSU 0
Constitution says “natural born citizen”, doesn’t specifically talk about parents country of birth. Rubio was born in the U.S. and the debate is over what exactly “natural born citizen” means. Birthers have latched onto some international treaties that they feel influenced the intentions of the authors of the Constitution and are using that to declare Rubio ineligible.
Thats the STUPIDEST thing I ever heard. I don’t agree with Rubio politically but the man was born in America therefore he’s a natural born citizen but according to the “Birther” Constitition he’s not, LOL!
Vince Manuwai
Ron Hall
Isaac Sopoaga
Pisa Tinoisamoa
Jeff Ulbrich
Wayne Hunter
I don’t think Kapono is his last name.
Pomai,
Good to be able to talk about all the past Rainbow Warriors! Alot of good memories from the good ol’ days. These were my hunah budah days!!
Ok we have 16 more choices for the poll
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers
Jim Kalili
David Maeva
Jeris White
Thomas Kaulukukui
Jason Elam
Gary Allen
Colt Brennan
Timmy Chang
Garret Gabriel
Colin Scotts
Golden Richards
Jesse Sapolu
Michael Carter
Keith Ah Yuen
David Toloumu
Travis Sims
Hal Stringert
Jeff Sydner
Levi Stanley
Blaine Gaison
Jim Donovan
Dan Audick
Kaaihue
If he can pull off the win over TAMU on Saturday, Steele Jantz?
With 10 minutes left in the blowout win against UCLA, Arizona fans are emptying out of the stadium.
Who said UH fans are the only ones to do that?
Wanna be big time, we gotta act big time…and it looks like we are. Lol 😛
ok if Gary Allen is in the Tsaiko Circle of Honor gotta add Jim Mills.
They were filing out midway through the third quarter.
“Have some honor. Do the right thing and quit tonight before boarding the plane back to los angeles. You can’t even beat a team without a coach. You are not a zero, you are a negative.”
From an UCLA fan posted recently…I don’t know why I find this incredibly funny.
ST,
Proves that Hawaii fans are moa bettah. We at least stay till the 4th.
We stay til no mo beer for sale!
From the entire A-House ohana to one very special lady, happy birfday, Kinda Shy!
and our best to your hubby.
Da ones who squeezing da ovah/undah stay til da end!
For Entertainment Only.
Interesting but not very flattering study done by Indiana University about the “market value” of football programs. Only public institutions were used in the study. No USC, ND etc.
“Indianapolis Business Journal a 242-page study that places valuations on college football programs as if they were businesses for sale. The fascinating study was more than two years in the making.”
Hawaii’s value is (negative) -$18.7M.
Some of the others in the negative were Rutgers, UNLV, Utah St. Boise St. on the other hand had a (positive) value of $64.8M.
http://www.ibj.com/the-score/2011/10/12/college-football-financial-listing-reveals-winners-losers/PARAMS/post/30084
A-Joe “64: Markazulu-
UH fans want what others have, but without the effort, pain and suffering.
The thing is, even if UH fans were given a winning program, do they even know how to maintain it? Or even deserve it?
This past week everyone was bent outta shape over a measly loss to San Jose. Everyone wanted to fire coaches and get rid of players. Everyone ridiculed, second guessed and condemned all the wrong play calling and offered waaay too much “Afta da Fack, Monday Morning Quarterback” solutions. Even more classic, there’s a few fans who justify their loyalty to UH, prasie the teams play, but then go right into ripping the program a brand new butthole. It’s like licking your fingers and telling your mom her cooking is good just before you spit it all on the floor!
To be successful, you’ve got to know how to handle failure.
Players, coaches, philosophies, teams will forever evolve and change. Our Fandimonuim will always remain the constant. The product that’s put forth on the field is a direct result of our our actions and attitude we portray as fans. We set the tone and the course of the program. The schedule UH plays, the players UH recruit, the program UH has is a direct result of the support we give.
The program will move forward only as much as we support it.”
EXACTLY so many fans want to be at the BCS caliber type but honestly its not only the team thats holding back I’ve seen times were our stadium was rocking but the last time I’ve REALLY REALLY seen it rocking was maybe 2009 against Navy, We’ve had a pretty good crowd for Colorado but for a national tv game it could’ve been better an the USC game was pretty good last year to. But So many people criticize but they dont support the program. People wonder why teams like Wazzou st an minnesota are still in BCS conferences Money has to do a big part but also because they can bring some good crowds despite never producing Great Teams. Yet we could produce a 10-4 team an not even get a full stadium. Easily against Nevada when they were ranked WE SHOULD’VE at least put 40,000 in that stadium yet we didnt. UH is OUR Yankees, our Lakers, Our Cowboys their OUR TEAM HAWAII’s team the players want to play for us the hawaii players should realize fans dont wanna watch their team lose an if they wanna see better crowds winning cures everything! But the Fans should realize that our presence at games can be A HUGE BOOST to our players they play for us an when we are their it can boost how they play look at the Navy game or the BYU game in 2001 or the Arizona st game in 06! But everyone just keep cheering on our boys dont give up on our coaches or our players! 7 games lets go streaking!
Okay.. if you guys are going to nominate Jason Rivers and Colt Brennan… you gotta also nominate Davonne Bess cause he’s also the real deal and he’s donated $$ to the football program too.
markazulu,
Actually, Washington State’s average attendance in 2010 was 24,532. Hawaii’s average was 37,311.
If PayPerView survives all this, then we can do with a 40K seater stadium… if PPV dies.. 50K is minimum for what we need. Is Versus/CBS Sports going to video the games locally? Do they even have the facilities to do so? Or will they depend on Oceanic? If so, then shouldn’t they pay and not Oceanic?
Oh snap my bad “misinformation” but i was trying to get a point across but i came up with so misinfo sorry still wish we had a better attendance average an had a consistent 40,000 every week!
Damien Alum – Charlie Aiu
markazulu,
nevermind the numbers. your point is well taken and true. it also has to do with once being a member of the club, the club will always protect its members.
WSU can suck for the next 20 years and still rake in the dough and get the institutional support because of their affiliation with the PAC. Once in, always a friend.
What is the criteria for this Circle of Honor? Golden Richards played half a season here.
Anyway, Pomai, pick your favorite of these players
Charlie Aiu
John Woodcock
Tom Tuinei
Leo Goeas
Maa Tanuvasa
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UH is not the only program that is having problems. I watched this afternoon’s game and Arizona blitzed UCLA 48-12 and it wasn’t even close. It’s very baffling to me. UCLA is big time and recruits nationally. From what I see, they do not do a good job of throwing the ball. They play the Pistol Offense and when they fell behind quickly in the first quarter 21-7 they had to play catch up. Their QB(s) are terrible which is also a mystery because you would think they can get a very good quarterback. Receivers dropped at least 5 passes during the game too. This is not a very good football team and I think UH could beat them.
Unfortunately, UCLA doesn’t want to play us, which is another baffling thing. Maybe they are too scared to play us because they might lose. I agree with some of the posts that this might be Rick Neuheisal’s last year at UCLA and he might even get fired before the end of the season. With all the talent in Southern California you would think that UCLA would be contending for the PAC 12 championship every year.
I know one coach who would turn that program around in one year and that’s Chris Peterson from Boise St. He could make $3,000,000 a year instead of the aproximately $1.5 million now. Look for UCLA going after Peterson soon. After that, Boise St. will start to go down. This is what I think. In today’s college football you have to be able to throw the ball effectively and if you do you will be in a lot of games til the end of the game. This is what San Jose St. did to UH. Nick Foles from Arizona today shredded the UCLA seconday with his pinpoint passing.
Pullman WA population 300,000
Honolulu, HI 950,000
On any given Saturday about 8% of the population of Pullman is at a game.
UH averages 4% barely.
Dimly, I recall that Colt did donate some $$ to UH – which I thought was great of him considering that he wasn’t making a heck of a lot.
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iwonderwhytheyhateme:
Exactly man the thing is it’s only been 4 years an people forgot about the word “BELIEVE” Believe in the coaches, Believe in OUR players, Believe in the Team, An the most important thing BELIEVE IN YOURSELVES AS FANS that going to the games & wearing the merchandise isnt all for nothing! BELIEVE AGAIN in OUR warriors we have gone to the promise land ONCE an we can go BACK AGAIN! Patience as fans dont give up on our coaches or our players as long as their representing Hawai’i dont give up on them! Fans want the team to reach their expectations yet we as fans havent reached the expectations of what our team has for us! To maybe light up the mood here’s 2 motivational video
“Hawaii Any Given SATURDAY”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4slb5B72T14
“I Am A CHAMPION”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TauJ1KBMdY&feature=related
A-joe – #225 – BP!!
Here’s my UH basketball men’s tentative starting lineups to start the season:
1) Shaquille Stokes-freshman – PG NY City Player of the Year.
2) Zane Johnson – senior – SG returned starter and leading scorer.
3) Vander Joaquim – junior – C returning starter, plays on Angolan National team; potential double double player; improved much over the course of last year.
4) Trevor Wiseman – Sophomore – SF does everything; hustler; gets loose balls; can handle the ball too, plays good defense, scores 6 to 10 points per game. Very unselfish.
5) Joston Thomas – junior – PF physical player; husky build to move defensive players out of the paint. More of an inside player; doesn’t shoot free throws well, about 50 to 60% and needs to improve. Needs to keep fouls down. Will get 8 to 14 points per game if he’s focused.
Top players coming off the bench:
1) Hauns Brereton – junior SF does everything well, is a scorer from inside and out. Shoots the 3 consistently. Could move to being a starter if Thomas is not playing well. Second leading scorer on the China/Japan trip behind Stokes. Capable of scoring anyway from 8 to 20 points in any game
2) Davis Rozitis – sophomore C or PF – will spell Joaquim in the post or can also play along side with him. Arnold said he can also hit the three. Lanky. Could use more bulk. It will be interesting to see how he plays as we have not seen him yet.
3) Bobby Miles – PG – sophomore – will improve in his second year in the program; handles the ball pretty well; needs to play better defense and improve free throw shooting and jumper.
4) Jeremiah Ostrowski – PG – senior – will come in late because of football, but will be in the rotation and get his minutes. If Stokes get hurt, Jeremiah will start.
5) Garrett Jefferson – SG – sophomore – Arnold has said Jefferson is the best athlete on the team and he’s a defensive stopper. We haven’t seen him yet, but I’m itching to watch him play.
6) Gerry Blakes – PG or SG – freshman – if he shows up in January for the second semster.
Others who might get some limited playing time:
1) Brandon Jawato
2) Pii Minns
3) Jace Tavita
4) Tyler Brown
Ok we have our list I will load it on a poll page and put the link here when it is loaded. Here is the list.
List of Players for Tsaikos Circle of Honor
Jason Rivers -03 to 07 Wide Receiver
Jim Kalili – 67 tp 71 Offensive Guard
David Maeva – 87 to 90 Linebacker
Jeris White – 70 to 73 Defensive Back
Thomas Kaulukukui – 35 Halfback
Jason Elam – 89 to 92 Kicker
Gary Allen – 78 to 81 Running Back
Colt Brennan – 05 to 07 Quarterback
Timmy Chang – 00 to 04 Quarterback
Garret Gabriel – 87 to 90 Quarterback
Colin Scotts – 83 to 85 Defensive Tackle
Golden Richards – 72 Wide Receiver
Jesse Sapolu – 79 to 82 Offensive Guard
Michael Carter – 90 to 93 Quarterback
Keith Ah Yuen – 78 to 81 Offensive Guard
David Toloumu – 80 to 81 Running Back
Travis Sims – 89 to 92 Running Back
Hal Stringert – 79 to 80 Cornerback
Jeff Sydner – 89 to 91 Wide Receiver
Levi Stanley – 69 to 73 Defensive Tackle
Blaine Gaison – 76 to 80 Defensiveback
Jim Donovan – 81 to 82 Offensive Tackle
Dan Audick – 74 to 76 Offensive Tackle
Henry Kaaihue – 70
Davonne Bess – 05 to 07 Slot Receiver
Charlie Aiu – 72 to 75 Offensive Guard
John Woodcock – 74 to 75 Defensive Tackle
Al Noga – 84 to 87 Defensive End
Chad Owens – 81 to 84 Wide Receiver
#130 Jim Kalili played right guard not center. watched him play at old honolulu stadium against all american ed white University Cal Berkley. he whipped da hoale boy all game.
When I had my season tickets, the games were later than 6pm. Was it 7:30? Anyway, it would be a total family affair with whole families there. Kids throwing footballs in the parking lot. Parking was cheaper. Tickets was way cheaper without the surcharge too. I had tickets way back where you would get one game ticket free or was it 2. No PPV in those days. To fill the stadium now days would be hard. At least PPV is making money (2.5 mil?) for the program. Seems to me that the bars and resturants are making big money with PPV. Oh what can we do????
226: Derek-
You bring to light a situation that I addressed a few days ago about Hawaii
UCLA is a perfect example- A bigtime, big name program with power to recruit nationally. For some reason, they’ve been struggling for the past several years. (Even worse under the Neuheisel regime) For the past decade, they’ve endured life under shadows of crosstown rival, USC.
Yet, despite all of this drawn out shortcomings, UCLA never mentioned budget shortfalls. Or cutbacks to their programs. There’s no immediate rush to rid themselves of Neuheisel.
UCLA’s pockets are deep! They can buy themselves time to weather such a long drought. They can even buy themselves a new regime to go in another direction. Hawaii could never dream of doing this. 2 years of UCLA’s misery and Hawaii would either be considering going to D-II or shutting the program down.
UCLA got themselves to that point with generations of undying fan support built over and through good times and bad.
This is where I want to see Hawaii be. Not only winning national championships but, having a program built on solid foundation and unflinching even in the worse of times.
It starts with you, me and everyone who’s reading this blog. I know we can make this change!
Someday, I would love Hawaii to play big time programs, not for the money, but just on the pure simple fact that we want and can KICK THEIR ASSESS!!!
Larry Cole, but I already nominated. Good fun though, seeing all these names from years past.
231: jmxxxx
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I’m pretty sure Levi Stanley played until 1974. I know he got hurt and redshirted one season.
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I know understand you guys. Get Al Noga but no moa Falaniko Noga. hehehe.
also can’t dance, rock and roll so where he go …….. PNW lol
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Ok here is the link to vote for the First inductees to the “TSAIKOS CIRCLE OF HONOR” You can only vote one time for one person, the top three will be the winners.
http://tsai-kos.com/honor.html
#242 papajoe2 – No one picked any of the Noga’s but I put in Al Noga for ST’s pick.
Last note of the night regarding the Arizona-UCLA game, Norm Chow must be laughing right now.
Okay, time for sleep.
Pomai, don’t forget to list Blaine Gaison as a quarterback also.
Da coach, Larry Price – as a player.
ala wai,
los angeles has a population of 3,800,000 and USC draws just under 80,000. That’s about 2% of the pop. And so….
A-joe,
There have been talks long ago about getting rid of Neuheisel. He has 4 years left on his contract. But UCLA can afford to buy it out. Most papers say hes gone regardless of what he does the rest of the season. Tonight probably sealed the deal.
Fans have no hope in him anymore and want him gone gone gone. They are beyond frustrated and rightfully so.
He did pretty decent at Washington and had the ability to take that program far…if not for the scandal that May or May Not have actually happened.
The NCAA handed UCLA a purdy present issuing their cross town rival USC a bunch of sanctions and loss of scholarships. Still, UCLA can’t seem to find its way out of “that other so cal football team” label.
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Maybe there should be an “Oldtimers” Tsaiko Circle of Honor. The problem is who could vote (besides me – class of 1954 at UH) as not may of our Tsaikos here would remember them and their contributions. There were people like Joe Matsukawa, Ed Kawawaki, Hartwell Freitas, Bobby Ehu, Jimmy Asato, Bernard Carvahlo (sp), Albert Holmes, Larry Sherer(sp)
#250 – IWWTHM – an so using that we should be happy with 19064 which is about 2% of our population on Ohau
#253 – tom – Koakane and al would know them…….
WSU Student Population 15,380 Undergrads Public State University
USC Student Population 17,380 Undergrads Private
UH Student Population 13,900 Undergrads Public State University
Simply posting demographics and numbers.
e.g. USC must have a huge alumni following. Attendance holding in spite of suspensions?
WSU the only show in town.
UH smaller student population, less affluent alumni
If you were marketing UH how would you position us to increase attendance? Who would you target as an audience? Is it win first and they will come, or support first, to increase moneys and build a bigger and better program?
I’m just as perplexed as you, and thinking out loud.
i know one on a personal basis.
i’ve seen four on the playing fields (ahu = ehu)
i’ve heard of all but one.
Anyone else planning to attend the UH-Idaho and/or UH-Nevada game?
If so, email me.
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I agree with tommui as the younger guys don’t know who the older players are and will vote only for the more current players. Cannot blame them though. The spooky part of tommui’s comment is that I saw a few of those guys play. yikes!
Pomai,
You one guud guy fo make the Tsaikos’ own circle. J’like the Warriors prediction, this only for guud fun. Mahalo nui, Pomai.
Pomai,
Almost forgot, Warriors seem to play well at home. Alot of excitement for homecoming. Emotions should high!
UH 45 another Aggie 21
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I don’t know any of the guys since I left town at a tender age to go to school. But I do remember seeing Timmy in a televised game & I met “Mento” at the Warrior Bowl fund raiser. 😀
So, I’m not even faux voting…
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31 – 28 MP
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tommui yeah everyone and a lot more if you look at it there could be over 100 easy.
Ok here is the link to vote for the First inductees to the “TSAIKOS CIRCLE OF HONOR” You can only vote one time for one person, the top three will be the winners.
http://tsai-kos.com/honor.html
Nitey nite and aloha kakahiaka!
I still think Larry Cole has to be there. Think about it, he was a part of that Dallas Front that featured Harvey Martin and Ed Too Tall Jones. For someone to make it at that time with Coach Landry, the guy had to have some special talent. And he played for UH.
#232 – You’re getting a great one in Stokes. He’s a real floor leader from a high school known for producing great point guards.
Pomai~
UH 35
NMSU 7
GO WARRIORS!
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Mahalo Pomai for setting up the TCOH poll page. 🙂
The other tackle on that Dallas front was Randy “Manster” White. Now with that line up and our local product in there, it has to be some special talent.I’m not a Dallas fan, but Larry went unnoticed for all of those years at Dallas and yet they could not replace him. He was that good. Would be ashame not to give him UH props.
Going along with the Dallas connection: Mark Tuinei
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The call for a football playoff has been ongoing for many years now and still nothing. Here is my take on what should be done. All conferencce champions go to the playoffs regardless of the conference you belong to. No second place or third place like in basketball. This leaves out the crooks at the NCAA from helping their favorite. Too many games to play. All the big boys have their tune up games to pad their win column. Now you go straight into conference play and no more BS games. And if you really want a top 25 team listing, someone should contact the linemakers from Vegas and Atlantic City. They know more about the makings of the football teams then anyone from the wire services and the NCAA.
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