The long(er) goodbye
The WAC reached an agreement with Nevada and Fresno State in which both schools will remain in the league — in all sports — through June 30, 2012, with each ponying up $900,000 in exit fees.
It’s a compromise.
Both schools don’t have to pay the $5 million apiece the WAC feels it was owed, they save on lawyer fees, and they get to go where they want to go, anyway.
The WAC gets more time to reorganize, and, hopefully, it will use its share of the exit money to hire a recording secretary. Mental note: Do not hire the WAC to write pre-nups. What’s more, because Nevada and Fresno State don’t have votes on WAC matters for another year, the league could have “Make Fun of Nevada” events, and there’s nothing the Wolf Pack could do about it. (Wouldn’t it be interesting if the exit fees were paid with those large checks that could be held up during halftime?)
For Hawaii, it gives athletic director Jim Donovan and his committees more time, up to June 2011, to figure out if it wants to stay, go, half-stay/half-go, or do the hokey-pokey and turn it all around. (Side note: Everybody says UH would have immediately accepted if it received the same offer from the MWC that was made to Nevada and Fresno State. Accept? Probably. Immediately? Not so. UH would have had public hearings and committee meetings and feasibility studies and more hearings and more committees and, after a while, the MWC would say: “Uh, you got Utah State’s number?”)
But I digress.
Anyway, next summer, the landscape should rock and roll some more, with the Big Ten, which really is a big 12, grabbing some Big East teams, and then the Big East raiding another league, which in turn pulls TCU from the Mountain West, which will have the MWC looking for another WAC grab and …
Well, it’s not over.
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Kudos to Brent Rausch, still UH’s No. 2 quarterback, who volunteered to work on the scout team yesterday. The Warriors wanted to get some reps for freshmen David Graves and Cayman Shutter. Rausch decided he would be more helpful portraying Idaho’s Nate Enderle during defensive drills. Rausch flourished with the scout team, teaming with wideout Darius Bright, who is redshirting this season.
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In yesterday’s blog, a reader cited a comment that he took from Na Koa’s Web site. Highlights of Na Koa events are available on the organization’s Web site.
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From Boise State:
Boise State Head Football Coach Chris Petersen will be available via teleconference with the Hawai’i media this Monday (Nov. 1) beginning at 2:00 p.m. (MT). This will be the only time Coach Petersen will be available prior to the game for the Hawai’i media.
Also as a reminder, Boise State players are unavailable for media interviews.
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Good Morning Tsai-kos!
Welcome back to the airwaves Bobby Curan
Need every remaining WAC team to beat Fresno AND Reno in every sport, before they leave next year!
top 5
#5?
Reading through the settlement, some interesting tidbits:
1. Fresno State and Nevada do *not* need to admit that they did anything wrong.
2. Fresno State and Nevada receive their FULL SHARES of WAC conference revenue for the 2010-2011 academic year. That means they get full shares from what BSU is leaving behind (the $1 million BSU isn’t taking and the $3 million from the BCS if BSU makes a BCS bowl).
3. Fresno State and Nevada have to be treated like any other WAC team until June 30, 2012…so, no taking home games away from then or any other punishment.
4. Fresno State and Nevada, and all of their employees, cannot be sued by the WAC.
5. The WAC pays its own lawyer fees…which will probably reduce the payout by some number.
ST: Year right?
Hawaii still driving vegas nuts
http://www.betus.com/sports-betting/ncaa-football/betting-trends/hawaii-ncaa-football-odds-2010-10-27/
This is funny…and probably true.
I’m not positive but, I believe the 2 schools forfeit their WAC yearly payout too.
Garret, I hope you feel better soon! Once you do, let us know and we’ll schedule another lunch.
JD would have taken the deal after it just signed a loyalty pledge? Where would he have found the $5 million to pay? I’m not so sure I trust JD anymore.
Sorry #9, Garret corrected me before I even posted.
Garret
#6 Benson at his finest.
Donovan is an honorable guy and would have paid what UH owed.
Of course, this would have come after feasibility studies and meetings and committees …
I’ve known Donovan for many, many years. He is a 12-steps-ahead thinker. Sometimes he’ll have arguments with me about conversations that have yet to happen. He’s not spontaneous, which is one of his assets. Whatever decisions he makes have been thought out for a long time.
Great Morning All!
Settlement, Schmettlement…
IS IT SATURDAY YET?
Whatever exit deal was reached, somebody better get it proof-checked and notarized. Pronto.
Mahalo to Brent Rausch…real team player!
Hey wasn’t gigi a legal secretary? Maybe she can proofread it!
I don’t think UH could have accepted if MWC offered before Nevada and Fresno because they would take too long to figure out where to get the $5 mil by-out. I think the state would be outraged, with all our other money problems. This would have changed if the offer would be made before UH signed the buyout deal. UH probably wouldn’t have challenged the WAC in court and just paid the fee if it could raise the money.
#16… Make sure Reno signed it!!!
Stephen,
Someone yesterday mentioned Miah Ostrowski in the discussion re: a punt returner replacement. Is he anywhere near getting PT?
…I’ll take your answer “off the air”
HiHo….
Put me down for an half-stay/half-go or go stag either works for me.
D1:
Miah was not out there with the other punt returners.
The ones taking reps were Dustin Blount, Kealoha Pilares, Rodney Bradley and Richard Torres.
Ostrowski is in the plans for next season.
UH feels comfortable with the wideouts — Royce Pollard, Billy Ray Stutzmann, Joe Avery and Darius Bright. As for the slots, Allen Sampson, Ostrowski, and Samson Anguay get the first looks.
They also could get creative and move Bright inside, or pull Bubba Poueu-Luna to offense.
Lots of things to think about in the offseason.
Good morning!!!
I should hele on to practice this morning…
GO WARRIORS!!!
Whatever we do, we gotta be ready from game one, next year. Need to start the season with a win in another payback game. Good to be charting our course for next season, since so many big names graduate this year.
But, of course, we need to continue with what we’ve got going right now. We need to take care of Idaho first. Make a huge statement and continue to clean up our play.
Okay, out of here for now… younger kids in school have a Halloween parade shortly at the park across the street. Forty-something degrees… I hope it doesn’t rain!
If TCU does get pulled away, I hope we’re paying attention to LaTech too. We better have teams in place now for what may happen shortly down the road.
I don’t think everyone thinks UH would have immediately taken the MWC offer like Fresno State did. There is a reason people don’t respect Fresno State as an institution of higher learning. While I have been critical of Hindshaw as a leader, she isn’t stupid. If the MWC invited UH before June 2011 I believe UH’s actions will be swift.
This article about BSU leaving the WAC puts things in perspective:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/06/04/1216770/bsu-move-could-be-worth-millions.html
So, the MWC normally charges an entry fee of $1 million, but BSU, Fresno, and Nevada don’t have to pay it (several announcements by the MWC have stated that) since Fresno/Nevada have to pay the WAC’s exit penalty.
That means that Fresno State and Nevada were supposed to pay $1 million next year to the MWC, but instead they will pay $900k in installments to the WAC. They come out *ahead* financially with this deal and basically get an interest-free payment plan from the WAC.
Benson sure “punished” the defectors…
Actually, we also need to beat Utah State, so as to keep them from looking overly attractive to the MWC, should they come looking for another replacement not named “Hawaii”.
Benson what a donkey!!! But then again he is a Boise kind of guy
Morning folks!
Just read this about the exit fee for FSU and NEVADA.
Fresno State and Nevada will each pay $900,000 to resolve all claims of the WAC regarding their departure. First payment per institution is due Aug. 1, 2011 in the amount of $180,000; second payment is due Aug. 1, 2012 for $180,000; third payment is due Aug. 1, 2013 for $180,000; fourth payment is due Aug. 1, 2014 for $180,000; and fifth payment is due Aug. 1, 2015 for $180,000.
Benson also said Nevada and Fresno State would be subject to forfeiting its WAC distribution check for the 2011-12 season, which last year was $1.4 million. That means both schools will lose up to $2.3 million when making the move to the MWC.
Be back later…
Could have sworn that the forfeit of the entry fee will go against future revenue payouts in the future once they join.
#34… YES!!!
But, does that mean that the new teams will get some of this WAC Paycheck? If they collect from their first seasons, they better have some sort of minimum time in conference, before being allowed to move to another conference.
UH, as senior member, should have some sort of grandfather clause to not have to pay anything for keeping the conference together for so many centuries!
#35… I read that for Utah and Colorado upon entering the PAC28, but not sure about the MWC.
Okay, I better get out to the park before the kids get mad! hahaha!
I was composing a post about how odd the WAC landscape was going to be after Fresno and Nevada leave but some flash on university of Denver’s website crashed safari.
Anyway,
Idaho
SJSU
Hawaii
Utah State
NMSU
LaTech
6 schools in 6 states. Only Idaho and Utah are even adjacent states.
Idaho and Utah State are closest to each other at 615 miles driving. La Tech is almost 1,000 miles away (driving) from the next closest school, NMSU.
That is messed up.
The Mountain West next year will not be that much better off with 8 schools in 7 states. Only Air Force and CSU being in the same state. Their states are all contiguous at least. The geography is going to kill the WAC the way things are. Every conference game in every sport is a flight. The are no quick road trips like SJSU and Fresno.
It would be nice if the commissioners of all the non-AQ conferences got together and hammered out some conference alignments that made geographic sense. They could negotiate a tv deal as a block and share everything. They could also plan ahead so that FCS teams that want to jump up know where they will be.
Shoko,
Yes, Nevada/Fresno get their full WAC checks for 2010-2011 and lose their WAC checks for 2011-2012–all schools leaving the conference give up their final year of revenue. UH will give up its last year of WAC revenue if/when it leaves the WAC. Some things that the article doesn’t mention:
1. The TV deal is expected to decrease for 2011-2012 because BSU will be gone. That significantly reduces the conference payout.
2. The $1.4 million included the money BSU earned from going to a BCS bowl. BSU might go to a BCS bowl this season also, earning the WAC $3 million (Fresno State and Nevada will get $375k each). However, BSU won’t making any BCS money for the WAC in 2011-2012.
3. The BCS gives $9.5 million every year for the non-AQ conferences to split, and they split the money by ranking the nonconference records of each conference and giving more to the conferences that win more. The MWC gets the bigger share, WAC is #2, and C-USA is #3. Without BSU, and with so many schools at the bottom of the WAC taking bodybag games, the WAC could fall because C-USA…which would cost the WAC a lot of money.
4. The WAC hasn’t had any school make a nice run in the NCAA basketball tournament for a long time, which is why the payment to the WAC in 2008-2009 (the last year reported) was less than 2007-2008 and WAY less than 2004-2005. Both WAC schools lost in the first round last year so the payment will probably drop again.
Good morning Hawaii!
Far be it from me to criticize Benson and the attorneys for the WAC but …
http://fresnobeehive.com/sportsbuzz/2010/08/more_conference_realignmentcam.html#ixzz13g0m3YaR
Some articles said that Fresno/Nevada/Boise “might” have slightly reduced MWC revenue payments in lieu of the entry fee, but that appears to not be happening. Craig Thompson said that Fresno/Nevada will be treated exactly the same as BSU…and they really need BSU’s BCS points so Fresno/Nevada benefit.
A Story
JJ Jefferson came to the San Diego Chargers out of ASU in 1978. He signed a three year contract and had 2 breakout seasons (over 1000 yds each year). After his second year JJ demanded to renegotiate his contract with the Chargers; this was during the time that the Chargers were owned by Gene Klein (distributor for Volvo in North America). JJ took his case to Gene who discussed signing a three year contract and how in the third year, discussions should start about adequate compensation for a receiver who made the Pro Bowl in his rookie season and the subsequent season. JJ was adamant that the contract be renegotiated at one of the meetings. Gene reiterated the business side of life, signing untested rookies, signing contracts, and running a business but JJ started to talk about a holdout. One week later JJ was traded to Green Bay and his career took a sudden downward spiral.
Years Later
Did the departing WAC teams sign a contract? Oh how sweet $900,000 is as compared to $5,000,000. Doesn’t this mean that, hypothetically, the WAC left $8,2000.000 on the table as the schools walked away? What kind of ‘business’ agreement is this?
Lawyers fees? The WAC doesn’t have a lawyer on retainer?
Who is afraid that the WAC didn’t have avalid iron clad contract? On whose shoulders does this fall?
At some point in this conference realignment someone in college football is going to take a stand or we are simply going to have a two tier Division 1, the ‘haves’ and the have nots’.
Note to ST (after this I need a 2-hour nap): Paula Abdul’s show has been scheduled for CBS…it will be on at the same time as American Idol:
http://news-briefs.ew.com/2010/10/28/cbs-paula-abdul-dance-idol/
Garret,
I agree with everything you mentioned. And agree especially about the WAC Basketball teams last year (USU and NMSU) going one-and-done. In a playoff system, its all based on units and sadly, the WAC is just not producing like it did when Nevada went to the Sweet 16.
Anyway, I could have sworn I heard Thompson say that the entry fee isn’t really forgiven, but goes against future revenue. I could be wrong, and as MW mentioned, I may be getting it mixed with the Utah-Colorado agreement with the PAC-10.
Re: Legal documents
Thank God for word processing. In the old days, we legal assistants had to cut with scissors and scotch tape documents together. Then xerox the whole shebang.
Sometimes, a missing word or the wrong word could alter the meaning of a document.
ST,
Re: your post.
Methinks you were carried away with your imagination! That’s an incredible scenario you just painted. LOL
I am going to be a few minutes late for our LoCal Tsaiko lunch! I’m having an issue at work.
Hello Don Weirs!
Re: #44 – a retainer (as dentist will tell you) is to hold things in place.
A retainer for lawyers is the same thing – holding the attorney in place until he/she is needed. Then if the attorney is needed, he/she being at your beck and call, you get charged for the time spent.
I don’t know what Benson had in mind when all those proceedings during the “solidarity” meetings, but he obviously did not have a lawyer with him – either that or he should think about malpractice.
wow… a 5-year interest free note on 4900,000.00! That’s stimulus money right there! Stimulus to leave the WAC!
oops.. I meant on $900,000.00
Combined that’s $1.8 mil… how much do we lose on interest and inflation?
What a mess!
Hey Garret is this what you were talking about the other day, a programable sim chip.
http://gigaom.com/2010/10/27/is-apple-about-to-cut-out-the-carriers/
Aloha Kakahiaka!
God Bless- James MacArthur… and warm aloha to his ohana.
gigi- what happened to onionskin copies?
no comment about the negotiating powers of the WAC.
One snap and clear!
GO WARRIORS!
Bobby Curran is back.
After the past three days 1420 seems it drank a case of Red Bull.
What made it better was that BC cut off Sean on cell not once but TWICE.
BC even cut off Stan from downtown.
Rob Akey was a pretty good interview too.
#55 – YEA! If this is true- then I don’t need to waste 2 days and a trip to the ATT store trying to upgrade to a new iphone! The way it is now, a customer with a PO Box as a billing address cannot do an online upgrade.
Never burn your bridges. I really hope at some point that Hawaii moves into the MWC. Yeah Nevada hates playing football here, and Fresno State is beginning to hate playing us at their house, but what the heck, a MWC invitation would be great.
Can someone tell me how Karl Benson still has a job? I can understand that he does not control the actions of individual institutions, but the whole fiasco about not having member schools sign the buyout agreement what is up with that?
Liz,
onion skin copies? Last I used those was in the 9th grade. LOL
bb- Bobby cut me off on Call the Coach (ok, I’m long-winded)… leaving me to wonder what happened next because the AM signal doesn’t reach my driveway and I was listening to the show on my phone…
You know what is dumber than having a comish like benson, having 6 college presidents who think he is doing a good job, lord and these people are teaching our kids.
gigi- I remember pounding on an old Underwood with 3 onionskins under the original! My dad wanted me to be a bookkeeper.
I grew up hating math… but I liked to play with the Burroughs…
BTW, Liz, you still have not posted the 2nd graphic on your blog. Two comments (from wafan and me) wait for your response!!!
Are U kiddin-me!??…enough talk bout UH being invited to the MWC……I can see whole the scenario play out all over again…..everybody will be complaining about all of the travel cost expense and will look for another conference without UH in it!!! duhhhh!?
Big West & INDEPENDENCE!! man!
Andy Katz of ESPN has posted this article on WAC expansion options on his blog:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5736849/montana-nice-addition-wac
He looks at it from a basketball perspective.
Liz was it the call you made this past week giving props to Coach Mack? In which Chris Hart was subbing for BC?
I heard the applause from the in house crowd when you shared the website and Coach Mack giving you mad props and appreciation.
Keep on calling. There is absolutely no way you can talk as much as Sean on cell.
#66 McTruck is right.
Independence…do not depend on anyone.
Especially those who don’t want to play Hawaii.
airsumo:
Aloha and Mahalo! Thanks for the stretching exercise suggestion on yesterday’s blog, I’ll give it a go.
Since there seems to be a monopoly amongst so-called AQ football conferences as almost an all inclusive fraternity; how’s about we just do away with the NCAA and all of it’s rules and regulations seeing how they seem to be absolutely powerless with regard BCS do’s and don’t-s, the haves and have-not’s, etc., and everybody just go with football inclusive/primary, and the rest need to work out their own financials???, if they still want to have them.
does anyone know if the Idaho game will be simulcast to PPV? mahalos
Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂
See A-joe’s comments from yesterday!
Get better soon Garret!
And yeah, what a mess!!!
#62… Pomai… gets 5 Stars!!!
God Bless you Danno! Thanks for the memories!
Best wishes and prayers to his family.
I know people think the $900k seems like a little, but like I said in the last post they are the ones getting screwed. Not sure what was in the loyalty pledge, but if it said you couldn’t leave until the new year or something like that then they could just say that they are declaring right now (before July 1, 2011) that they are leaving for the MWC for 2012. They wouldn’t have to pay any exit fees or loyalty fees because they just have to declare before July 1st that they are exiting for next year (just like Boise). Just like if the MWC was to ask Hawaii to come over, then we would be declaring now that we are leaving for the MWC in 2012 with no exit fees.
Not to mention that if Garret’s figures are right, then the MWC makes way more TV money. Nevada, FSU, and BSU will probably make more than $1 million in TV shares alone compared to the WAC. Especially now that BSU left, the WAC TV money will be puny. Let’s just hope that ESPN wants a TV contract with the WAC in 2012. Would you be paying millions for UH, Idaho, NMSU, LaTech, USU, SJSU, North Texas, Montana, etc. Montana might be the ones bringing in the money since they win a lot in football.
If the MWC was smart, they would go with two divisions just so they have a chance at two teams in the top 10 and get two teams in a BCS bowl. Then once they become a BCS qualifier, then have a playoff between the two teams. That would probably make a lot of money.
Lets have Garret for WAC commish! Seriously!
Trust me, you need the NCAA.
#77 – DPK – you kidding, right?!?
Is it gameday yet? The week is dragging with all this talk about the defectors! Hope all ailing Warriors are healed up for the game!
Go Warriors!
Geographically speaking…..the Big West for all UH sports except football would make much better sense to me from a financial stand point…it’s do-able, as compared to any other $cenario$$$.
gg- only one video on that blog post. Two on today’s post.
bb-yup… thanks! It’s hard to get through… usually get busy signals. Very lucky this week!
The people who complain about travel to Hawaii are usually only the Mid-Majors. D-IAA teams love coming here for the experience and paycheck they get. BCS schools don’t use travel costs as an excuse to come here, they have the money. If anything, they might use travel *time* as an excuse if they need to get out of coming here.
NCAA, me thinks u are biased when discussing the, NCAA…..bwaaaahahaha!!, I realize that would never come about….just using up my one-venting moment per day. Per ST, rule-101.
Bet you Mr. Garret, has a much better IQ than numb-ka-nutts Benson to boot!!
Good job Rausch thats a good way to be a team player.
Good Morning Tsaikos…hope all is well
Rest in Peace Danno….
Healing thoughts and prayers for all the wounded and ailing Warriors…
AP preseason NCAA men’s basketball poll does not look great for the WAC. Before we play the “no respect” card, when was the last time a WAC team won a game in the tournament?
12. Gonzaga
24. BYU
25. SDSU
33. UNLV
43. Utah State (tied with 4 others)
50. New Mexico
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/ncaa/10/28/ap.poll.ap/
Re: # 61 #68.
” … # 61: LizKauai m/:
October 28th, 2010 at 8:23 am
bb- Bobby cut me off on Call the Coach (ok, I’m long-winded)… leaving me to wonder what happened next because the AM signal doesn’t reach my driveway and I was listening to the show on my phone…”
” … # 68: bb: October 28th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Liz was it the call you made this past week giving props to Coach Mack? In which Chris Hart was subbing for BC?
I heard the applause from the in house crowd when you shared the website and Coach Mack giving you mad props and appreciation.
Keep on calling. There is absolutely no way you can talk as much as Sean on cell… ”
LizKauai: It appeared that your phone faded out as the crowd applauded, as bb stated in his 2nd paragraph.
and, it wasn’t BC; it was BC’s sub.
All’s good. FYI.
#62..POOMAI…it is so true and so SAD!
But LOL!
don’t believe that the MWC will ever extend an invitation to hawaii if TCU leaves, which is inevitible. The main reasons are travel costs and travel time for all sports, not only football. Those are some of the reasons why nevada and fresno left the wac. Unless uh is willing to provide travel subsidies for all sports and maybe a little premium, teams will always be reluctant to play in a conference with hawaii. Hence, the best bet is for hawaii to go independent in football, and try to find a good conference for its other sports. Staying in the new wac is not the answer, the newer div ii teams just do not have the money to fund the travel costs to hawaii in all sports.
Not that I give a rats *$$ but….
From the Idaho Statesman:
“What it means for Boise State
The Broncos now need to fill two vacancies on their 2011 football schedule. The Mountain West will be an 8-member league for football in 2011 and the Broncos have just three nonconference games scheduled — at Ole Miss, at Toledo and home against Tulsa.”
Read more: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2010/10/28/bmurphy/fresno_state_nevada_remain_wac_until_2012_pay_900000_each_leave#ixzz13gasHlND
At practice, I met Alex Dunnachie’s family & friend. They’ll stop by our T-Gate & then head over to hang out with Bill Stutzmann. Brother Charles got to toss the ball around with Alex. Introduced Adrian Thomas to the the Dunnachie’s.
Looked like a good practice. Some interceptions by the D. Go, D!
BigWaveDave was there.
Got tickets for Friday night’s WVB game. GO WAHINE!!!
GO WARRIORS!!!
Speaking of Tickets….Anybody have an extra ticket to this weeks game??
A friend of mine is looking for an extra ticket she can purchase from anyone. If not, that’s okay, scalpers at the stadium are plentiful….LOL
(jesse)james,
UHfan808@gmail.com had one and was running a cheering contest last night.. dunno how that panned out.
This is how the WAC distributed last year’s money:
Boise State $3,727,629
Fresno State $1,413,296
Nevada $1,413,296
Idaho $1,333,296
Utah State $1,138,296
Louisiana Tech $1,125,796
New Mexico State $1,075,796
San Jose State $1,025,796
Hawaii $950,796
TOTAL: $13,203,996
For comparison purposes, the MWC distributed $26.5 million to its schools, slightly more than *double* what the WAC gave out. The average payment a MWC school got was $2.9 million…and UH got less than $1 million from the WAC.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/07/03/1254812/bsu-athletics-receives-its-share.html
Mr. (Jesse)James,
Need a cheer? Here, you can use my cheer. This will win you the ticket.
“Eenie meenie minie mo,
Who the f— is Idaho?” (repeat 3 times)
Stay where we are. The WAC is fine as it is. Donovan has contingent plans in hand to move on as an independent or into another league if the WAC should ever implode on it’s own.
But honestly, don’t panic or freak out. Don’t buy into the short sighted notion of fictitious respect, league strength or TV contracts. They’re all based on an extremely flawed BS system that’s making everyone dumbass crazy.
This is EXACTLY what the BCS cronies want you to think. Rumors, misinformation, confusion, doubt, distrust, infighting all work into their favor.
Once the new 16 team playoff format gets installed all this nonsense is not going to matter. We’ll make more than enough money to cover all of our past, current and future sports expenses.
Promise.
We’ve got a great game coming up this weekend.
I Mua Warriors! Beat Da Vandals!
NCAA- Bwahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!! That one gets my vote!!!
Das right… let’s not foget to listen for Koa Mahu’s upcoming cheer during the game..
There’s a Vandal in my pants..
I dah ho!
There’s a Vandal in my pants…
I da ho!
RIP, Danno.
NCAA….MWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA….I LOVE IT!!!!!
Good morning everyone!
OK, I put back the tailgate fuud table back in to help organize the contributions. I put gorilla bread with the Sides because I eat it with my meal. 🙄 Click on my name and scroll down to the very obvious green/yellow fuud table.
Please post your food contribution here by Friday midnight. Note that you can bring “duplicate” items–can’t have too much of a good thing…right, Northshorefan? 🙂
Hey there A-joe! Going t-gating Saturday? Actually, can you just bring the avocado poke.
So it’s a WACky deal…now JD’s wheels are in motion and I’ll just sit back and let this play out. No use throw in my 2 pesos cause who gives a rats ass on what I think. I can’t make the decisions so like I said, sit back, chillax, go to the beach, enjoy the sights, swallow some saltwater, get cuts from the reef, stop by Paalaa Kai bakery and pick up some snow puffies, pick up a sandwich for the youngest one at Storto’s, maybe check out the huli huli chicken pit and buy a whole one for snack on the drive back home, wash up at home, sit in the recliner, take nap…
homey…
You want one white rat or brown rat one? Does it matter if the rat is still attached to it’s ass?
OKAY…Who’s bringing the potatoes to the T-gate for roasting on the grill??? Pork Belly???
Not sure if Jake is on the blog, but this is kind of interesting. It’s from the ESPN chat.
Jake (Honolulu, HI)
Thoughts on the exit plan for Fresno St. and Nevada from the WAC? Is this the deal breaker for MWC to become a BCS conference?
Andrea Adelson (4:28 PM)
I think it really hurts the MWC, as I wrote in a blog post earlier this year. This is kind of like the trump card the WAC delivers for the MWC raiding them and ruining their BYU plans. But essentially, those two teams staying in the WAC thru 2011-12 means nothing they do in this four-year evaluation cycle would count toward the MWC’s attempt at becoming AQ. With the loss of BYU, that hurts.
Steve and others who might want to know, Na Wahine Softball game on Nov 6th will start at the posted time, they are not changing it.
Football can stay in the WAC, but I’d still like to see us move the other teams to the Big West. Just gotta make sure to book quality teams for the Out of Conference games to bolster the SOS, each season.
NCAA ~ #98 is a Winner!
mih – I’ll take the brown rat, healthier. That reminds me of the Geico commercial “one in the hand is worth two in the bush”. Favorite Geico commercial for me is “did the little pig cry wee wee wee all the way home”.
(J)J – Belly pork? Hopefully Ralph brings that and not shoulder pork…
(Jesse)James — who is bringing all the great mystery sausages every tailgate? You? We gonna see more? 🙂
homey?
You want free range.. I saw one climbing the banana stalks the other night… maybe I can lay a trap. ..
Ummmm, if I win the cheer can you give the ticket to the gunslinger??? lol
Exit/Entrance fee(s) to the WAC:
Seems an “iron clad” $5 million buy-out clause is like a ballon filled with water only for it to spring any pukas and only a dribbling ends up as true payment to the WAC.
Wonder how it would be: assuming that Benson is still around, the MWC is in dire straits, WAC it moving on up, and BSU/Nevada/Fresno seeking re-entry into the WAC?
What will the WAC charge for entry fee and how solid would it be for “full price”?
Like Tom Mui mentioned, either Benson is a dummy or the WAC needs to file an E&O against the attorney who was at the meeting and/or creted the ‘buy-out/exit fee” document.
All this was was an exercise of blowing wind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Free range is good.
Another thing I miss is steamed turkey tails with poi. Is there a Kekoa in the house?
UH vs idaho
24 – 00 Curt
28 – 06 LK
33 – 10 maui warrior
34 – 10 midnight
35 – 10 pomai
35 – 14 gigi
35 – 17 Hilo Moon
38 – 14 LizKauai
38 – 21 wafan
39 – 09 Mrs A-House
41 – 10 4UH
41 – 17 Garret
41 – 20 808ike
42 – 06 Jack Flash
42 – 07 tommui
42 – 13 Glenn
42 – 17 longdistance808
42 – 21 Ms MOMO
42 – 24 MP
42 – 41 Meggie
43 – 20 Okole Maluna
45 – 00 HNL
45 – 10 Steve
45 – 14 MR GIGI
45 – 17 gmahoney
45 – 20 Na Koa Mike
45 – 21 Momo
45 – 38 al
47 – 10 A-House
48 – 12 MasaBoy
48 – 14 slugger
48 – 21 GRM
48 – 24 Boo-sit
49 – 00 Kev-1
49 – 09 protector
49 – 13 Hflyer
49 – 14 Tarai
49 – 17 WassupDoc
49 – 20 sportsforfun
49 – 21 DPK
49 – 24 iwonderwhytheyhateme
49 – 27 wade
49 – 28 Tchahng
50 – 22 NYUH
51 – 13 lil.s.808
52 – 03 Bstunna2002
52 – 10 BigHiloFan2
52 – 14 Tyaiea
52 – 17 Hilo-Warrior
52 – 20 pcwarrior
52 – 24 klo
53 – 20 Uhffan808
54 – 10 papajoe2
54 – 19 Ballpicker
56 – 06 SailorBlue
56 – 10 Candy
56 – 14 d1
56 – 17 chopsueyboy
59 – 28 Ipu Man
62 – 31 Pride
63 – 10 Kukui High School
63 – 14 makule808
63 – 17 Michigan Warrior
63 – 24 Derek
66 – 06 RedZone
70 – 07 Kekoa
First time I heard of “blowing wind”. My mother-in-law uses proverbs and sayings I never heard of too!
“eh, you wen hay moe da buggahs and sta hagae moegay?
#120 – I thought A-House doesn’t drink alcohol? 😆
ST- I think there is a typo in the blog post: “through June 30, 2010,”
ai-eee-soos: Mahalo for the correction and the info. No disparaging remarks on BC from here!
Turkey tails…. mmmm… but Kekoa’s lomi salmon is the total bomb!
Homey…
I think he just drank some nyquil… daytime
ok, make it a trio, turkey tails, lomi salmon, and poi.
mih – maybe he swallows his mouth rinse too???
No doubt the loyalty clause required a consensus during the drafting of it from all the member schools. Easy to see how one or more schools would make sure that they had an exit strategy if they needed it.
Also the whole thing became a great bargaining chip if a school was so inclined — give the MWC a little heads up on what is going down and force their hand — they need to raid the WAC to make sure the WAC is no longer desirable to BYU (if it ever really was) and if you are the MWC taking Utah State and Nevada makes the most sense. Utah State for basketball and geography and Nevada for geography, football, and rivalry with UNLV. Fresno doesn’t make much sense but it does give SDSU an in-state rival, they have a solid football program, and, more importantly, it really hurts the WAC.
Eh, some posts got deleted.
*note to self, do not reference post numbers, instead use time stamp.*
Hawaii should create a new conference call it the PACIFIC USA CONFERENCE , and invite all
Military league into this conference, We may get full support from the Federal Government
and even financial help, After all Hawaii is the Military home base of the Pacific.
1) AIR FORCE , 2) ARMY , 3) NAVY , 4) NOTRE DAME , 5) BYU , 6) HAWAII ,
I can’t think of any other University’s that wants to go Independent , Maybe You Can !
I hear ya Homes!
Gotcha covered for da poi/salmon…and if I can catch ’em by da turkey tail, you got dat too!
nice job of the WAC spreading the payment out for 5 years to ensure that any team that leaves (possibly Hawaii) won’t get money if they bolt.
Also, I don’t see how people still consider this a compromise. Those schools were already bound to play in the WAC through 2012 because they missed the deadline. Its not like they are saying “hey, if you agree to lower our exit fee, we’ll do you the favor and play next season.” THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO REGARDLESS! The reduction of the fee is a bonus for them.
I think I may have said this before, but it would be like a student telling the teacher “I’ll turn in my homework for extra credit.” The homework is required but the kid gets extra credit points anyway?
WTF. But you know what, whatever already. MOVE ON and BEAT IT. Enjoy the beatings we put on you this year, and next year for that matter, and enjoy your run at the bottom of the MWC standings in the future.
Homey:
I can tell by your response you have no idea what I posted.
Must have grown up in an outer island plantation community, pineapple or cane sugar, to understand.
I think many are under the impression the WAC commissioner is like an NFL or NBA commissioner. Not so. He merely follows the orders of the WAC CEOs (presidents or chancellors).
For instance, while I do like Hinshaw, she didn’t participate in yesterday’s settlement hearing (Donovan, I’m told, represented UH).
By the way, this all proves what we’ve all known: the Nevada and California state schools don’t have any money.
Huaka’i Po (The Hawaiian Night Marchers)
Huaka’i Po
Huaka’i Po
Huaka’i Po
Huaka’i Po
Huaka’i Po
Huaka’i Po
Warriors from the past
Warriors of old
Walking through the path
of Ku Kane Lono
Don’t look at the light
The light in their eyes
If you look into the light
You will surely die
So I say to You
Idaho, Idaho
Beware of the night
Huaka’i Po
Yes I say to You
Idaho, Idaho
Beware of the night
Our Huaka’i Po
WOOHOO KEKOA!
A-House – Which comment you talking about? The blowing wind or the drunk one?
A skycap</b salute for that suggestion.
Ok…erase. Error…error…error!
Pride…Just the person (I think) I wanted to see.
Homey..
You must be right.. must have been the mouthwash…not the nyquil.. he’s sober already.
Avoid the light Homey. Prostrate yourself on the ground and wait until the chanting and beating of the drums stops.
Pride ~ Dats some kinda Spooky cheer!…How ’bout we jez smash ’em in da mout and take away da ball? Den we tease dem wit one of the Kukui HS fave cheer:
Cigarette ashes, cigarette butts,
we got Idaho by na Nutz
PULL Warriors…P U L L!!
😆 😆 😆
Nathan Enderle had three interceptions in two games before rebounding with a strong showing against New Mexico State. He threw for 291 yards and three touchdowns despite having fantastic passing stats, protection for Enderle has been a problem. The offensive line has surrendered 27 sacks in seven games which ranks 118th in the nation.
RE: Softball double-header on Nov 6th.
Not to sound cold or anything, but as Pomai already surmised yesterday, there was no way that 12pm start time was going to change and I don’t think it should so thankfully it’s staying the same.
Granted, the BSU game is going to be big and whatnot, but the softball program already made accomodations for the other sports as it is, especially with moving their alumnae game to 5pm from 6pm.
Enough was enough.
And Apparently a Utah State fan is disgruntled.
“Let’s get a campaign going to FIRE Coach Anderson! He beat BYU and acts like he won the Super Bowl, and then he can’t coach against loser teams the following weeks… pathetic!”
Isnt it great to have fans like this!
To all spuds coming to the islands, no pay attention to Pride, when you see the Huaka’i Po stare at them look them right in the eye. It will make a world of difference in how you play the game…….
ST,
You think President Greenwood would ever sit down with you for a detailed interview about what her vision of UH athletics is?
…looking forward to next years game at Nevada…with Taua and Kap leaving…Ault will be looking even more constipated…
Warrior football inspires state By Duane Shimogawa
The Warrior football team’s remarkable five-game winning streak is all the buzz across the state.
Some even liken it to that magical Sugar Bowl season of three years ago.
From boosting merchandise sales to increasing the state’s morale, Hawaii football is capturing the imaginations of many during this amazing run.
Shades of 2007 are beginning to show up during this year’s edition of the Warriors.
“I’ve never seen a win streak like this not since the Sugar Bowl run back in 2007 and I was in the UH marching band at the time and those games, every game was pretty much go to and from what I feel this year, every game thus far, you have to be there,” UH student Glen Molina said.
Alewa Heights resident Scott Sugai is a longtime fan and watches almost every game.
“I think it’s pretty exciting for us to have been following them, who’ve seen the good times, June Jones and a little lower times to McMackin, but I think the people gave this new team some time, some time for McMackin to build his team and now we’re seeing the rewards,” he said.
Ewa Beach resident Gino Patagi is a season ticket holder, but he was still buying a ticket for his sister.
“She hears about the football team all the time on the news and she wanted to come check it out live,” he said.
But it’s not just his sister feelin’ the team’s buzz.
“I’ve been getting a lot of questions from my co-workers because they know I’m a season ticket holder, so they’ve been asking about getting tickets to the game or just asking about the team in general, so seems like there’s a lot of buzz out there,” Patagi said.
At the downtown Rainbowtique, sales have doubled since the streak. Everything from the foam shakas to Hello Kitty gear have been hot sellers.
“The momentum is on there right now, so they should keep it up, turn this positive drive into good things,” UH student Chris Fajardo said.
Early estimates of ticket sales for the Idaho game aren’t out yet, but UH officials say it could rival the season opener’s numbers, especially since it’s homecoming.
“We could even look forward to next year, maybe we’ll make it to another Sugar Bowl or another BCS game, who knows,”
“Loser teams”?
Did Utah State just drop another game to NMSU?
This is as focused a Warrior team I have ever seen. Kinda like last years softball team, you don’t hope they are going to show up, you know they are going to show up. The Warriors aren’t going to lose focus on Saturday.
UH———-55
Idaho——21
…i like how things are transpiring…Fresno and Nevada will have the pain of going through the WAC once again next year while Utah, BYU and maybe TCU leaving before they get there…
…to join Colorado State, New Mexico, SDSU and Wyoming…all watching BSU…
…their Karma will haunt them for years to come…
…i wonder who phil steele will choose to win the WAC next year…
…the Warrior front 7 will have to come up big on Saturday to shut down Enderle…putting pressure on him is key…
We’ll be bringing about 30 WACSnacKPacks filled with good kine Halloween candy & trail mix to stick into your pocket or waistband to sneak into the Stadium
UH has Hello Kitty merchandise? 😆
Hank,
Biggest threat Idaho will present is the deep ball.
We havent done well historically againsta good play action passing QB. Too often our DBs give about 10yards or cuahion on WRs.
Kazz,
yes, but i don’t know if Idaho’s running game can support play action…we’ll see…
I wonder if Coach Gib can help with football recruiting too?…it sure looks like he’s doing a great job recruiting for B-ball….
#140… Sack da potatoes!!!
#144… Kazz… VERY interesting! Enquiring minds want to know!
Homey:
Blowing wind or drunk one? What are you talking about?
Did I sound that bad? MIH thinks so!
Hank..
I got no gripes on the way recruiting has been for our football team since Mack took over. This WAC instability made things look shaky for a spell… but we should be good to go for this season… this year’s team looks great.. next year’s team looks to be as good, too.
8 UH tsaikos met for lunch and talk story in Irvine and we were entertained by B Moniz cousins(of computer delivery fame)
consensus was Idaho game is must win and 40k needed to pack Aloha
Food was great at Da Luau
we missed you, Ronnie and Garret
Nestled along the sleepy south shore on Kauai is the Botanical Garden formely known as the Allerton Estate of Lawai Beach.
Built into the cliffs going up into the valley are hundreds of tiny caves that were burial place for many Hawaiians and on certain nights they return as “night marchers”.
One night my Dad, older brother and I were dunking when we looked up the valley and saw many lights emerging along the cliffs and moving down the valley toward the ocean. Soon, you could hear the drums! We stayed put hoping the moi or oio or papio would bite, but it was not to be. After a while, our Dad said, “no matter what, keep your eyes closed, lower your head until they pass.”
Interestingly, we could feel the air start to bristle, hear the foot steps, drums loudly beating, and felt them pass us as we sat on the sand. All the hairs on my head “stood up”, chicken skin moment.
After they passed and appeared to enter the sea, we pulled up our lines and went home.
After thought to Pride’s post on night marchers.
It is every school’s right to change conferences.
If you think another conference makes more fiscal or geographical sense, then, by all means, please go.
But there are exit procedures that are somewhat reasonable. If you’re Fresno State, a WAC member for nearly two decades, why not take the time to do the right thing in leaving? If you’re going to break up with someone, sit down and explain the reasons and leave honorably. But all of this sneaking around and making promises that can’t be kept, well, that just does not seem honorable.
I just hope that our team continues to be totally focused on Idaho this weekend, with all that’s been going on over the past couple of days.
We need to take care of business on the field, while our Administrators take care of the other stuff.
We need for everything to come together for our future. We’ve got great coaches doing a super job this year. I hope that equates to more kids getting drafted because of their learned skills. This should hopefully lead to continued great recruits.
Just gotta keep it all going forward!
Statement game for us!
Go, Warriors!!!
#162… A-House… that’s some spooky stuff!
We used to go fishing out along Kaena Point a few times every year when I was growing up. Away from everything and everyone. It used to get kinda spooky at times too.
I always believed the WAC would get support from the BCS conferences if Fresno State and Nevada decided to bolt early and took the WAC to court. It’s not in their best interest if member schools could leave anytime they want with no regard to signed agreements. The only issue is the five million dollar penalty for breaking the agreement.
Oh, Mr Benson, can I have a $900,000 loan with an installment plan of 5 years without interest?
This is what the WAC gave to Nevada and Fresno!
Seems that Nevada is burning more bridges than Fresno – sounds correct?
Fresno seems happy with the financial aspects of the deal. Their revenue from the MWC will be slightly more than *double* what they get from the WAC now, so they will be making $1.5 million to $2 million extra from the conference and will be giving $180k of that to the WAC for a few years.
http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/10/27/2135552/report-wac-fresno-state-settle.html
al:
I usually do not go back to read the late posts, but I did today for yesterday and came across your #327 and am some what confused.
Who is Steven as a middle blocker for the men’s VB team? Did this commitment appear in the papers? or is Coach Wade feeding you “confidential” info?
I see where Coach Gib has REALLY scored big on his latest commitment. That makes 2 good recruits for 2011-12 class.
Coach Shoiji is also doing well in recruiting for 2011-12.
OK, Coach Dana, strut your stuff! Secure a commitment from one of the best high school players in the country!!!!!
Liz, Here’s A Cheer and song you may remember…
LITTLE BLUE MAN
Betty Johnson
One morning when I was out shopping
Though you’ll find it hard to believe
A little blue man came out of the crowd
And timidly tugged at my sleeve.
“I wuv you! I wuv you!” said the little blue man
“I wuv you! I wuv you to bits.”
“I wuv you!” He loved me said the little blue man
And scared me right out of my wits.
I hurried back to my apartment
I rushed in and I closed the door
But there on the desk stood the little blue man
Who started to tell me once more
“I wuv you! I wuv you!” said the little blue man
“I wuv you! I wuv you to bits.”
“I wuv you!” He loved me said the little blue man
And scared me right out of my wits.
For weeks after that I was haunted
Though no one could seehim but me
Right by my side was the little blue man
Wherever I happened to be.
One evening in wild desperation
I rushed to a rooftop in town
And over the side pushed the little blue man
Who sang to me all the way down
“I wuv you! I wuv you!” said the little blue man
“I wuv you! I wuv you to bits.”
“I wuv you!” He loved me said the little blue man
And scared me right out of my wits.
I whispered, “Thank goodness that’s over!”
I smiled as I hurried outside
But there on the street stood the little blue man
Who said with a tear in his eye
“I don’t wuv you anymore!”
K’den seeing how we’re talking about Huaka’i Po, I had a friend who lived across from Ohikilolo Beach park, he swore that on the full moon they would hear them coming from the makua side of the house where the back door was, they would open the back door and the front door which where aligined and the Huaka’i Po would march right through thier house. Now that would make me think twice.
Is there a clause within the new “exit” contract that allows Nevada and/or Fresno to reduce part of the $900,000 IF they do an “early pay-off”? Much like a mortgage where any remaining interest is wiped clean.
I noticed in one of Garret’s posts where the wording of the exit contract says that when all schools sign the agreement, it will seal off any civil action against one or both schools. What happens if one of the schools decide to sue first and not sign the agreement? Does this action null and void the exit agreement? Much like what Nevada and Fresno did by reiterating their pledge to stay in the WAC and a few days later have simultaneous new conferences announcing their move to the MWC.
Does the MWC have an BCS “insider” who keeps remindng the MWC Commish that when they meet all of the AQ qualifications that the MWC will “automatically” be invited to join the BCS?
Seems their only goal is to make it to the BCS scene.
#160 MIH…
i’m still on the edge about our new recruiting coordinator…Tuioti did such a great job…
#163…ST…yes!
The more I hear of ReNO & FresNO, the more I wanna puke! With all the akamai lawyers available to us these days, how could this travesty happen? This is the kinda of scenario that drives people to the brink.
If somebody owed me that much money, I would take immediate action to collect on it. It may not look very congenial, and it damn sure wouldn’t look pretty…but there would be no further action required once I made my point.
Hank,
I agree… Tuioti did an excellent job, hopefully some of the other coaches took notes. Tuioti, however, in doing such an outstanding job, earned his right to get back on the field as a coach.
Indonesia not only had another tsunami and earthquake,
but also suffered from a Volcanoe eruption.
A warning system installed after a deadly ocean wave in 2004 had broken from a lack of maintenance.
Hundreds were still missing after Monday’s 3-meter wave spawned by a massive quake struck the remote Mentawi islands off western Sumatra. At least 311 people died as the tsunami washed away hundreds of wooden and bamboo homes in 20 villages, displacing more than 20,000 people, said Ade Edward, a government disaster official.
Among the dead was a revered elder who had refused to leave his ceremonial post as caretaker of the mountain’s spirits.
The discovery Wednesday of his ash-covered body, reportedly found in a position of Islamic prayer, kneeling face-down on the floor, rattled residents who for years joined his ceremonies to appease the rumbling giant by throwing rice, clothes and chickens into the crater
This tragedy in Indonesia puts into perspective the mess with Fresno and Nevada. What are we bitching about, folks? Life could be a lot worse!
The college football heiarchy has created a farm system in conferences. When the strongest non AQ conference starts to approach the front gates of the promised BCS grounds, the BCS will elevate a team or two inorder to keep the rest of them looking in.
Next to be gone will be TCU. Will more than likely happen if another school get to the level of TCU and BSU in the MWC or repositioning of schools already in BCS conferences. If Utah, BYU, TCU and BSU were all in the same conference guarans ball barins they would have qualified as a BCS conference.
If C-USA starts to get 3 teams to be ranked nationally, it will happen that one will be given a ticket in a BCS conference. The domino affect to continue to take place as each school wants to get elevated in order to get more money and the possible membership to a BCS conference.
Can’t help believe that the commissioner of the non BCS conferences are not puppets of the BCS heiarchy.
Benson is a puppet, 2 face maybe 3 times over.
While there is no comparison to a natural disaster and anything sports-related, the fact remains that this issue regarding the WAC is something that should still be discussed on a sports forum.
Some things can’t be helped. That’s why there are bitter divorces.
Anyway, yep A-House, someone spiked your gatorade.
Pull the string and I’ll wink at you, I’m your puppet
I’ll do funny things if you want me to, I’m your puppet
I’ll be yours to have and to hold
Darling you’ve got full control of your puppet
Pull another string and I’ll kiss your lips, I’m your puppet
Snap your finger and I’ll turn you some flips, I’m your puppet
Your every wish is my command
All you gotta do is wiggle your little hand
I’m your puppet, I’m your puppet
I’m just a toy, just a funny boy
That makes you laugh when you’re blue
I’ll be wonderful, do just what I’m told
I’ll do anything for you
I’m your puppet, I’m your puppet
Pull them little strings and I’ll sing you a song, I’m your puppet
Make me do right or make me do wrong, I’m your puppet
Treat me good and I’ll do anything
I’m just a puppet an you hold my string, I’m your puppet
Yeah, I’m your puppet
Walking, talking, living, loving puppet
I’m hanging on a string girl, I’ll do anything now
I’m a walking, talking, living, loving puppet, and I love you
I’m a smiling happy face when you want me to
Even make you happy when you’re feeling blue
#176… I agree with you, Kekoa! At first, there was this “Must pay the $5mil within x-amount of days” right after they announced that they would bag out. Now, we settle for $180k over 5 years? What? Wow, we really took it to them!
“…do the hokey-pokey and turn it all around.” that sounds like the best plan of action yet.
From $5,000,000 each in 60 days to $900,000 over several years……LMFAO…what else can you do…LMFAO….
So according to percentage of money that Hawaii gets from the WAC we should get enough for a Bigger Burger combo at Teddy’s and MAYBE a small orange creme shake.
Hey i know! Why dont we bury ourselves up to our necks in the sand and let the presidents from neveda and fresno throw rocks at us.
just a glutton for punishment.
uh 59 idaho 17
go warriors!
At the least, since they are not paying $5mil, Nevada and Fresno St should have paid all the money one crack. Who cares if it will hurt them financially to pay out that kind of money. What’s up with this payment plan. It doesn’t appear they are paying any interest?? Tell them take out a damn loan to pay the WAC if they want to leave so bad.
After all that is said and done, the only one laughing is the BCS conferences.
The WAC is going to give both Fresno State and Nevada about $1.6 million each (that will go down to $1.2 million if BSU doesn’t play in a BCS bowl) next summer as their share of conference revenue. So, they will take the $1.6 million and give the WAC $180k back. The WAC could have easily have taken all $900k out of the money they will give each school next summer.
However, it is possible that *Karl Benson* wanted the payment plan. This gives teams an incentive to stay in the conference. If Fresno/Nevada paid all the money at once, UH could get its share and go indy. However, with the payment plan, any school (La Tech?) leaving the WAC would have to give up their share of the money.
I would hope that the D-IAA schools that the WAC adds don’t get any of the Fresno/Nevada money.
If he *REALLY* thought that, he really is a fool!
$180k x 2 / 6 = $60k per school to lose should the decision be made to leave in any given year of the payout? 😕
just as the nationally televised game will “hurt” the pay-per-view take for the university is ‘not the fans problem’
the financial situation of the defectors are not the remaining members problem either.
they wanted to go, reap what you sow.
woohoo! That sure is a lot of money to look forward to for the next five years. 🙄
homey,
Just to temper your “excitement”, keep in mind that as Garret has pointed out in the past *all that money* will be going to Upper Campus to pay down the prior years’ deficits. 🙄
i think just ONE of June Jones’ donors would give that to UH every year. lol…man i miss the guy.
#193 – EXACTLY!! Why do we concern ourselves with them, it’s obvious they didn’t concern themselves with anyone else in the WAC by leaving.
hmmm, what goes good with lomi salmon and poi…raw Maui onions and rock salt. KEKOA!!!
…I can point to several shopping carts that can make bigger dents in my car door than the dent that will make in the UHAD budget!
Ahhh homey!
Always count on you for setting PRIORITIES! 😆
d1 – c’mon, don’t burst my bubble!!!! 😈 *POP*
Texas State, UTSA, and Montana must be looking this exit negotiation as a plus to join the WAC.
Gotta figure that when they plan on ditching the WAC in 2017 or so, they can get off cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David Graves said he has a broken thumb.
…anyway, at least I can look forward to the distraction of some HS football tonight.
Let’s Go Saints!
Okay, I’m looking on the bright side…one more season to make sourpuss Ault cry. 😥
Don’t forget the OIA playoff games on Friday! For my daughter, GO TROJANS!
Aloha James “Danno” MacArthur.
d1
just got the GREEN LIGHT from the boss….we’ll be at aloha stadium for the game also
GO CRUSADERS
Pomai @ 3:24 pm – So does that mean he won’t be the middle man on the hands team for possible on-side kicks?
I don’t know but he said it happened in the Utah St. game
But if he was taking reps in practice it must be on his non-throwing hand.
I suppose the Crusaders will be resting their starters after the 1st quarter???
homey,
i hope so, that would mean d1 would have a chance to suit up in the 4th quarter….now THAT is worth the price of admission….hahaha
Or could be he has a fake Halloween thumb that is broken… 😮
#168…I think Welty and the fresno administration is FULL OF IT…without BYU, Utah, and possibly TCU, how can they know how much ESPN will be willing to give the MWC in 2012-13???…
Shame on them for that kind of speculation to cover up their PILAU method of doing business.
Off to the market, grocery store, or whatever you oldies call it…Everyone have a nice Aloha Friday and an even better weekend!!!
See some of you at the t-gate around 10-ish.
If TCU ends up leaving the MWC, you now have a glorified WAC…not even worth it imo.
Pomai #62,
Hats off to you. Maybe some brains but no common sense.
d1shima,
You are talking about the guy who said that Fresno State and Nevada could not accept an invitation to the MWC even if they eventually got an invitation because they couldn’t afford to pay $5 million. Benson gloated in his e-mail with Utah State that his agreement would force Fresno State and Nevada to turn down the MWC. Instead, they pay just $180k per year for 5 years and get a $1 million fee waived.
Kazz #144,
Greenwood—-her vision of UH athletic. Vision?
It’s like having a plumber do a heart transplant.
Maybe if the original penalty was $100,000,000.00, then MAYBE we’d get at least $900,000.00 a year for 5 years.
Hank,
It is *not* speculation. The MWC gives $1.5 million to $2 million more to its schools than the WAC does. Their TV contract pays 3x the WAC’s TV contract. Their NCAA basketball money is staying with their conference and brings them a lot of money.
The MWC gets a better nonconference record than any non-AQ conference (mainly because their bottom teams don’t play as many bodybag games and their bottom teams normally beat the WAC’s bottom teams), which means that they get the biggest share of the $9.8 million that the non-AQ conferences split.
Look at my post from early today. The WAC gave UH $950k last year and the average payment to MWC teams was about $2 million more than that. The MWC gets more basketball money every year (4 NCAA teams in the tournament last year and some of them won games) and the WAC has been getting less.
It is not speculation. The money is easy to follow. BYU is leaving all of their NCAA basketball credits behind, and SDSU, New Mexico, and UNLV are still good basketball programs.
The first thing I posted on the morning of August 18, 2010 was that the $5,000,000.00 was TOO LOW.
I was right, but I didn’t know the bylaws would contradict the WAC Code Book.
Could have been $20,000,000.00 and still… NADA.
Kazz #220,
transplant. (clueless)
Benson on 1420 in 5 min.
What more can the loser say?
A-House,
That’s a chicken skin kine story.
Pride.,
Mahalo for the chant.
GO WARRIORS!!!
Pomai,
How are the jerseys holding out?
Give me a call Saturday before the game.
Hi!
Cable went out last night and fnally came back a bit ago.
Prayers and positive thoughts to the MacArthur family.
Hope the injured Warriors heal up for the raid on the Vandals this Saturday! If not, get them ready to do some Bronco busting!
Wafan,
Better last night than on Saturday.
The penalty for Fresno and Reno just does not sound or feel right.
Karl sure taught them a lesson!
222…Garrett…
So are you saying that IT WILL also be the case in 2012-13 even without BYU, Utah, and possibly TCU? Guaranteed?
Are there contracts in place to guarantee that they will receive that kind of money in 2012-13 regardless of what happens to the MWC in these unstable times?
…i understand the here and now…what i’m saying is that their presumption of having a crystal ball of exactly what will happen is misleading and wrong.
Didn’t the Presidents of said Universities also promise their followers that they would begin playing in the MWC in 2011 not to long ago? What happened? Well, their crystal ball was filled with filthy toilet water…that’s what happened.
808ike . . .
No joke!
Odd day today.
Heck, with high school kids almost every is an odd day.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha!
Curriculum time.
Nytal!
So that’s $360K per year over 5 years… is that enough for Montana to move to D1?
If Hawaii leaves the WAC.. what Bowl games are there left for the WAC?
808ike,
I remember seeing something posted on the window of a second floor athletic department office facing the courtyard that is in front of the women’s locker room.
It read “President Greenwood, we are not happy”.
This was a week or so after Greenwood took office.
#219… Garret… That is terrible! Especially given Benson’s communication to at least one other WAC member concerning the penalty fee.
Just makes my stomach turn. Can’t imagine that the WAC presidents feel really good about this whole settlement, even if they agreed to it. Must be something totally stupid in that loyalty agreement that forced their hand to accept such a ridiculous settlement.
Even if Reno’s President didn’t sign that agreement, there should have been something in place that allowed Reno’s rep to handle it. Or, the WAC should have immediately faxed it to Reno to get it signed and faxed right back, or something. I find it absolutely stupid that something like this could have thrown the whole thing out the window.
Wonder what the exact wording was in regards to BYU, and how it might affect present WAC members at the time, to prevent them from even thinking of leaving for the MWC.
Man…
Headache!
Is Benson losterest and the WACy CEOs losterer? Or is it the other way around?
Pride.:
October 28th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Oooohhh…. chicken skin…. you should post that on the Idaho blog…. bum-bye da local boyz on da team going get one black and gold flu… and call in sick…
Yikes!
A-House- I had to LOL about the E&O insurance…true, no?
Reminds me of that song from Chicago:
“Give ’em the old razzle dazzle
Razzle Dazzle ’em
Give ’em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give ’em the old hocus pocus
Bead and feather ’em
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?
What if your hinges all are rusting?
What if, in fact, you’re just disgusting?
Razzle dazzle ’em
And they’ll never catch wise!”
Anyone hear Benson on the Sports Animals trying to “butter up” Hawaii fans???
Kazz . . .
I did not want to waste my time.
Okay. Nytal for real.
ahouse… i was talking about the basketball recruit. everybody thought we had chance with dewayne stephens but i kept saying it was the stevens kid that would commit and he did. i tried to give you a clue a couple of weeks ago but you like the papio you were trying to catch did not bite the bait.
btw, i hear you on the night marchers, i’ve heard many a story from legit folks.
didn’t even have dinner and wafan goie hit the rack already.
Benson:
2 Face
Speak with fork tongue.
Speaks from 2 sides of his mouth.
Has too many senior moments for his age.
The worst negotiator one can imagine.
Lack of vision and goals.
Now to save money or make money for the conference.
Get Benson out as commissioner of the WAC.
If he is maintained don’t allow him to come to Hawaii. (Unnecessary expense)
Have the commissioner’s office at a member school.
Don’t allow him to be the negotiator.
Have taped teleconference meetings. Evidence on tape for his ineptness which will protect the WAC.
His meetings behind closed doors leads to shambles and we don’t know what really went down or what may have been omitted.
Why does he not resign, he must feel he is a legend in his own mind. As some stated he is only following the orders of the presidents of each school. If that is so get a rubber stamp and the WAC will save a lot of money.
So apparently people report that Karl Benson is claiming that in the new WAC (sans BSU, FSU, and UNR) UH will be the “backbone” of the conference and will reap the benefits of whatever ESPN contract he is able to salvage…
Sounds good on paper as a UH fan right???? BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Benson really is an IDIOT!
In trying to be objective and ignoring my bias as a Hawaii fan, to me this is a mistake to make proclaimations on public radio that ONE program is going to be the supposed “focus” of the conference.
As a Hawaii fan I should somehow pound my chest in “pride”, but then taking a step back and looking at it I’d be further concerned.
If I were USU, NMSU, Idaho, SJSU, and LaTech, I’d be looking at these comments as if to say, “hey! HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Benson is losing it. He’s clearly trying to butter up the Hawaii listeners in to a sense of confidence that we (Hawaii) have a lot to look forward to by staying in the WAC with the new additions.
Again, NOT smart or even respectful of the other WAC members to do such a thing.
Personally I wouldn’t want to further irritate Utah State and LaTech as I look at these two schools that could be next in line to receive invites elsewhere.
I’d rather end up being the “backbone” of the WAC by our actions on the field of competition and earning that right by what we do. To have his idiot of a commissioner already proclaim publically that UH is “IT” in a conference that barely has any legs to stand on just FURTHER insults the other schools (including the potential invites) thus creating more divides in a fragile conference.
This guy has NO clue about “damage control”!!!
Did you hear Gary butter up KB by saying what great job he did in negotiating this deal with Fresno State and Nevada?
I think he almost caught KB speechless with his praise.
So Gary, what was so great about the deal?
ST,
If that’s the case, then why does he need a staff of 18 to follow the order of others? That’s kind of like when UH only had one president, but then when he left the new guy needed to hire two more associates to help him. Oh, wait…
A negative image painted on why would teams want to come and play in Hawaii needs to be corrected. It did not help having coaches like Ault with his negative perspective. Reason why he always lost here in Hawaii. (Bachi) How does that help recruits wanting to come to Hawaii with a member WAC school only to find out that it will be an in an out proposition. Good only for hamburgers.
A coach should use Hawaii as an advantage. “Come play at our school and you get to go to paradise twice in the next 4 years. We’ll stay there a day or two extra so you’ll be able to tour the island and its culture. Now the coach and the athletic director need to be akamai and have a bye week after coming to Hawaii. This is where an akamai commissioner can help schedule the member schools accordingly to have their bye after coming to Hawaii. Creative planning, finances and support from the top can help to make this a reality that I believe can enhance recruiting for all teams.
🙄 Mr. Potato-head speaks… 😐
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Umn.. when does the ESPN contract expire? When does our Oceanic contract expire?
😆 ★ ★ ★ G I A N T S !!! ★ ★ ★ 😀
If the commish were any denser…. he’d be a black-hole!!! Wait…. he does $uck!!! 👿 😈 🙄
UHfan808 – my cheers….
And it’s ANOTHER IDAHO FOURTH DOWN!!! 🙂 😀 😆
I am ready for a new WAC commissioner; one who has the leadership qualities to plan, organize, direct, supervise, and accept/analyze feed back to determine what action(s), if any, are needed to successfully complete the mission.
Every plan is never perfect and requires constant review, analysis, develop and select new courses of action, and proceed with the best option with the support of all conference members. A plan that is developed in advance, presented to each member for their comments, and “carressed” until all members are in complete agreement with and willing to sign a document of total support.
With all due respect to Garret, I find it hard to swallow that the 6 school reps developed and agreed to what has been reported as the “final” exit penalties and Benson was their “mouth piece”. What penalties? Nevada and Fresno cleaned the WAC like thieves. Where do you get a $900,000 loan with 5 installment payments and no interest!!! Are the UH students, fans, alumnae, and Hawaii residents entitled to know what went down? After all, we are the ones who pay all the bills for UH.
The remaining WAC schools were punished!!!!!!!!!
I would be very happy to be the WAC’s mouth piece for the money Benson is being paid. No need think. No need to be aggressive and develop plans to keep the conference moving forward. Just be a parrot for the conference members.
BTW, how much is he paid annually? Any conference in need of a good mouth piece?
Hey Mr. Benson, take your “Hawaii will be the back bone of the new WAC” and shove it up your a$$! Personal opinion!
The Warrior D- delivers another sack of potatoes!!! 🙂 😀 😆
Enos’ kick sails through the endzone for a touchback… AGAIN!!! 🙂 😀 😆
The reason benson said that is that he is scared sh$tless that we will go independent and the wac will just disappear. He is fighting for his job.
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=439196
$370,568 and no sense!!! 😈
Wait – that figure of $370,568 was for 2007. 😯
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=439196
Some Benson highlights:
1. Admits that the WAC Code of Conduct says that the deadline for notifying the WAC about leaving is September 1 (which Fresno/Nevada adhered to), but says that the Bylaws’ deadline should take precedence. The Code was updated *earlier this year* and approved by Benson without correcting that crucial date!
2. When asked why Nevada didn’t sign the agreement, Benson said that a “clerical error” caused the WAC to *forget* to get Nevada to sign it. The WAC had more than enough time to get Nevada to sign the agreement–sure they missed the meeting, but there was a *long* time after that before they sniffed an invitation from the MWC and FAX machines, printers, and scanners that take care of immediately acquiring signatures in the business world all the time. Remember, Benson didn’t say that the WAC didn’t need the signature, he said that the WAC messed up. Later on when the WAC sued Nevada and Fresno, Benson said that the contract was binding even without the signature…but I’m sure the mediator was shown Benson’s public statements about the “clerical error.”
3. When Benson was asked to comment on BSU moving to the MWC, he said that it was “great” for BSU to be “rewarded for their success.” Benson succeeded in cementing the public perception that the WAC was inferior…their own Commissioner said so! Benson sounded like a BSU fan excited about them moving to the MWC…instead of defending their conference and putting the best PR spin he could do.
I could go on with examples that have NOTHING to do with WAC Presidents and are only due to Benson’s failures. These are simply examples of how Benson is an inferior Commissioner.
The only thing I *do* blame the WAC Presidents about is that they appear to love having Benson as commissioner and in decades there has not been a single report of a WAC President wanting to get rid of him. If the WAC Presidents want someone like Benson leading him, the WAC will continue on this path.
A-House – I posted a greeting to you the morning after your recent b-day…. 🙂
A-House,
I take it from your comment that you think I disagree with you. I do not. And I think you’d be a MUCH better commissioner than Benson. Someone with military leadership experience could at least pay attention to detail and avoid mistakes…something Benson has not been able to do.
Why am I having a craving to eat french fries at dinner tonight? 😕
After a quick stop at the grocery store, Coach Aranda should call a D-Team meeting. He slams down a bag and declares, “Here’s my sack of potatoes!!!…. Now go out and show me yours!!!” 😈 🙂 🙄
“go out there…” 😳
Gotta figure both sides were getting legal advice. Did anyone ask Benson what his lawyers told him. There must have been some holes in the Loyalty Pact or the exit porcedures for the committee to settle.
Can’t blame Benson for schools wanting to leave but can blame him for not having crossed all this tees and dotted all his i’s.
Gary Dickman.
I heard too the kissing up to KB. In fact he basically applauded Benson and the job that he did to reach this settlement. Then he got pissed when a caller called him on it.
I didn’t realize that “whatever his title is” Carl Benson has run the WAC for like 20+ years…..We demand new blood out of our elected officials, CEO’s of failing companies, school boards etc…umm why the hell not ask for the same thing in this instance.
How about we give him the $900,000 to go follow Peterson to the MWC and go make trouble for them.
Hey the WAC isn’t some charitable organization that these schools can just use and abuse…
Aloha means goodbye Benson, I want you gone.
bb,
yeah *clap clap* do you believe in miracles…lol
SteveM,
People responded to your food call for T-gate. Just a thought, duplicate a T-gate list similar to Pomai’s score prediction.
It was sorta funny though hearing Gary blow a gasket on the caller that called him on it.
Hey Gary, NOW THAT WAS UNLEASHED!
If the WAC is impotent against any kind of raiding of teams, of negotiating its own future, of ensuring the lifeline and membership will continue into the future….why should Hawaii stay?
are we just delaying the inevitable…i mean arent there only so many teams that either could or would go to Div 1? It’s not like you have 10 teams every 10 years that can make that climb. so if the next group of teams come in and decide they wanna move, then what?
If we stay in the WAC, we better have a plan in place that we can get into should we be forced to go independent because that is what I see will ultimately happen.
If Benson did not do what he did, would not
the non-football WAC teams’ upcoming
schedules be a mess and thus the end of the
WAC for them (whereas most football teams
would survive during the mess…)
So CB “saved” the non-football WAC teams?
ipu man,
yes benson is lord king.
Again, the reports from various news outlets indicated that the loyalty pledge was contingent on BYU joining the WAC (excluding football) and that if BYU failed to do so the agreement was void. It also apparently included a clause that made it void if any school left.
If that is true, and I have not heard anyone say that it isn’t, it is amazing that the WAC got any money out of Nevada and Fresno. The only bargaining chip seems to be that they missed the deadline and should have to stay another year. Despite the clerical errors it seems that they did not really dispute that point. And that is where their liability was — if they left despite missing deadlines the remaining members would have real scheduling problems and would potentially lose millions of dollars.
The real issue is that the loyalty resolution was poorly written, but as I wrote earlier, that may have been the point as it had to be a consensus document by its very nature. Benson may not have had any control over that. And when you get right down to it one of the member schools or someone at BYU are most likely responsible for the MWC getting wind of the situation.
Write a toothless resolution… leak the situation… take advantage
As Garret has said, there is more money available in the MWC.
Best cure for all of this mess is to keep winning.
There appears to be 12 people listed w/ management titles on the WAC staff – including KB. If the top dog is making $380k (in 2007), just how much kala is being blown on this sham called the WAC?!! This doesn’t count the “Supervisors of Officials”. 😈 🙄 😐
http://www.wacsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10100&ATCLID=537152
Well, I agree that 300 thousand smackaroos
a year should now be given to someone new…
new commissioner that is…
brew808,
I just thought of this…I’ll be playing in the Bay Area the 2nd week of Nov. till mid-week the following wk. I have my priorities…I’m getting home for the SJSU game. Think we can pull together a Cattle Call?
Who nowadays would want that job?
Don’t think that I am defending Benson. He doesn’t seem to be doing a very good job, but he has had some moments. If he had been able to swing the whole BYU thing that would have been a pretty big coup. He was kind of ahead of his time with the old WAC super-conference thing even if it fell apart in the end.
The best thing about the settlement is it buys UH some time to weigh it’s options. Donovan surely must be checking who is available and willing to play here in mid Oct through the first week of Dec. There’s only five Indys, the MWC, the Big East and the Big 12 less two, who might be available during that period. We need 7-9 home games and between 4-6 road games to fill our schedule. Donovan has a Bunyanesque task to complete a 13 game schedule as an Indy. Even if we were willing play on the road, teams might not want to play us when they’re in the middle or towards the end of their conference schedule. Plus the better the team gets the least likely BSC schools would want to play us here or at their place.
For now, I think UH should sit tight. See if Montana or the two Texas teams join. As D1 schools they’ll definitely be more competitive with the 20 additional scholarships. Remember BSU and South Florida were DII not too long ago.
Wonder what ST will report tomorrow???
Brew:
My apologies – went back to 23 Oct and saw your #347.
Domo arigato gosaimasu!
Good to see you posting again.
BTW, saw you on evening news one night – about 3 months ago – nice suit!
Garret:
After reading your response, I realized that my remark(s) were aimed at ST.
and, Brew, I would love to be the WAC parrot for $374,000 each year – would even buy several suits and wear neck ties (which I detest).
Cocobean:
It was reported that Montana already turne down any move to D-1 status; much too expensive for their budget.
Doesn’t Karl Benson serve at the pleasure of the college presidents? If so shouldn’t we be questioning the decisions of those presidents? If the bag boy continues to break crack the eggs the responsibility belongs to the owner of the grocery store. Sounds like Karl Benson is taking the entire hit for everything that has happened.
What’s this rumble about Salas being invited to the Senior Bowl.. any truth to that?
And David Graves’ broken left thumb?
MIH- Salas has received an invitation to the Sr. Bowl according to comments on fb. He just refers to “good mail”.
K, I’m going down for the count. Good night all!
If UH stays in the WAC, traveling for the football team to the mainland can be coordinated by having road games in back to back weeks. Texas State and University of Texas at San Antonio are less than a 100 miles apart with enrollment of 30,000 plus. Idaho and Montana are about 200 miles apart at the most and the back to back can be implemented. Save money and get the team acclimated for the 2nd game hopefully.
UH should bargain with the WAC and have them stay at 8 to 9 teams maximum for football. Thus UH can play 5 to 6 non conference games and maybe able to garner more revenue. UH to keep the non conference revenues separate from the WAC. Look at the 2011 schedule UH has 6 non conference games. In so doing it will be a lot easier for UH to schedule 5 to 6 non conference games a year and still be able to participate in a league championship.
All non football teams to be a member of the Big West. Allow for an agreement to extend 10 years minimum with the options at the control of UH. If UH were to change anything they would need to give at least an year notice to the conference affected by their departure.
It does appear Hawaii may have some bargaining power due to what’s happening.
So, I’m green and ready to rock and roll this weekend.
UHFan808- my short cheer after a TD:
Would you like some FRIES with that?
Gregory Anthony Salas- I love recieving great mail!!! Its official!!! 🙂
Hola mis amigos.
mih #294 – that’s what BC said this morning. Hope it’s true!!!
GO JR BOWS!! DII State vb tournament.
GO WARRIORS!!
GO WAHINE!!
Friday Na Wahine Softball has a practice at 4 p.m., open to the public at RWSS, finishes about 6:30 p.m., just in time to head over tot he SSC to watch Na Wahine volleyball.
Did someone say Benson is making 374K yearly? Wow. Would love to see his yearly expense account. With all his travel and “PR work” his expenses must be pretty hefty. Hope his bossses are keeping a close eye on anything he charges to the WAC, something like a yearly audit.
Hope none of his family or friends, his staff and their families are getting any benefits like all expense paid travel or free game tickets. Remember when UH tried to slip in non qualified people for their Sugar Bowl trip. I wonder how many people traveled on the Wac’s office dime to the Sugar Bowl and Boise’s two Fiesta Bowl.
Aloha Tsaiko Ohana!!
I don’t know about you, but I am pretty tired of the endless speculating, back seat driving, and general bitching about negotiations with Fresno and Nevada. Especially since most of the guys making the comments never ever operated in that environment, don’t know anything about what is going on in the negotiations, and don’t know what the presidents and athletic directors are telling Benson.
I don’t have any personal experience with Benson, except the few interviews I have heard, but I think he has had a difficult job holding this conference together. I don’t feel like defending him for how this last negotiation turned out, but I don’t think he had a great hand to play, and I think he probably got what most of the remaining WAC members wanted, which was to know that they would have a full conference schedule for next year and would not have to scramble to fill next year’s schedule.
Seems to me the money is more symbolic than anything. It was supposed to be a penalty for breaking up the WAC, and it didn’t work because the Fresno and Nevada guys could do the math just like Garrett. With the easier travel, better rivalries, and greater TV money, the MWC membership was just too inviting. And in most cases, settling out of court with a guaranteed payment to the schools instead of giving money to the lawyers for time preparing the case and being in court is worth a big discount.
And I get really irked when people on this blog start laying into Jim Donovan because he hasn’t announced to the world (or to them) what he is trying to do, who he is talking to, what his take on the situation is, etc. That is not how it is done. You get your ducks in a row, and then you make it public when everybody is on board. I trust Jim Donovan. This is what we hired him to do, and his track record so far is excellent.
Can we get back to the five or six F’s?
Back to lurking and grousing. Esme woosh..
Lopaka43:
AMEN, BROTHER!!! I find it so hilarious how people think that because the people in charge don’t report things to “them”, that nothing is being done. the WAC is a difficult conference to manage – all your members are chomping at the bit to leave for a better opportunity. whether or not Benson is a good commish is not for me to say. I don’t know anything about the specifics of his job or what he has to deal with. But i think it is safe to say that it is not a desirable job by any means.
Hope our guys are focused on Idaho and not on all the WAC hullabaloo that’s been going on. Stay focused, execute, be flawless. UH cannot let their guard down. They must execute as if they have no weakness. They must defend as if there is no where to run, no where to pass, no where to hide. They must be perfect in every way so that the tape Boise sees is one that makes them all scratch their heads and wonder if…
Getting back to food…
Steve M.
I’ll continue the pattern of bring a mixed fruit salad bowl for Saturday’s Tsaiko Tailgate.
Go Bows!! Go Warriors!!
Thanks, Lopaka43. Appreciate it!
And I support Jim Dononvan too!
The fruit salad, mmmm.
Check out this story by Andy Katz about the WAC additions concerning basketball…
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5736849/montana-nice-addition-wac
Howzit gangees!
A House. You are hilarious! especially when you’re fired up! 😀
Pride
Howzit howzit. you and kekoa are the bombs tonite. i got all conflicted… reading your 2 cheers. 😆 serious, or serious. kekoa’s cheer wins out, for me.
ahem….
PULL, WARRIORS, PULL !
uhfan808 my cheer. Every time Idaho is assessed a penalty everybody says “POTATOE, POTATOE, ROTTEN POTATOE,” then all point to the culpret.
Alright!! I can watch the game on espn3 after the game is over Saturday night. Hopefully it will be shown on channelsurfing.net or atdhe live.
Then the Wahine vs. NMState vball game is scheduled to be shown on espn3 the following day. It doesn’t say, “Subject to blackout”.
Check that. Better to go to the Stadium and cheer on da Warriors Saturday night, THEN come home and watch the victory online. 😀
This is an old report but what BYU has done is what UH needs to do to be successful as an independent.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/449915-bcs-dilemma-aq-standards-the-notre-dame-exception-and-byu
evenin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEFANIkv8Ak
Nitey nite!
#305 Lopaka43 – Agreed but all of my comments of Benson are based on hindsight which we all know is 20-20.
And I do agree with you on JD, which is also based on hindsight. He has done a excellent job so far.
http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20101028/SPORTS/101029890/1055&ParentProfile=1045
…love this…
“Pack looks to rebound at home against Aggies”
“The last thing the Nevada Wolf Pack wanted to do after losing to the Hawaii Warriors is sit around and think about it for two weeks.
But that is exactly what they had to do.
“You never want to sit on a loss like that,” Pack quarterback Colin Kaepernick said of the 27-21 loss in Honolulu that ruined the Pack’s dreams of a perfect season. “We just want to go back out and redeem ourselves.”
If the Pack had its way, it would have found a game somewhere between Honolulu and Reno on the trip back home two weeks ago just to get the bad taste out of their mouth…
…Make no mistake, the Pack is not likely going to forget what happened in Honolulu anytime soon.
“We got beat by a team that shouldn’t have beaten us,” Ault said.”
mih…yes graves has a broken thumb. it happened in the utah st game.
no, its not his right hand.
mr. pomai was that your car i parked in front of at costco today???
Pomai,“We got beat by a team that shouldn’t have beaten us,” Ault said.”
I guess Ault didn’t get you memo about hindsight being 20/20. 🙄
I can understand people being mad.
I can understand people being mad at Benson.
Bottom line is Nevada, Fresno State and Boise State don’t want to be in the WAC.
It doesn’t matter who’s running the WAC.
And as much as as we like to think otherwise, people don’t want to be in a league with Hawaii. It’s too far. It’s too expensive. The distance between Hawaii and the West Coast is the distance between the West Coast and the East Coast.
Hawaii doesn’t bring anything to the table. It’s not a big TV market.
The Hawaii Exemption? That really only benefits a league team that has to play in Hawaii. For instance, if you’re, say, Alabama, and you’re scheduled to play six home games and six road games, if you add Hawaii, you’re still only playing six home games. And the guarantee Hawaii pays will probably make the trip to the islands a break-even venture. Now, say, you’re Idaho. Suppose you played six home games and six road games last year. By playing in Hawaii, you actually make money on an extra home game because you can add a non-conference game. So, actually, the Hawaii exemption really benefits only four teams a year. Same logic, there’s no incentive for a team to play Hawaii in October or November if the Warriors go independent. Remember, UH can schedule non-conference games in those months right now, and it can’t find any takers.
Do I think Texas State or Texas-San Antonio will be the answers?
Maybe, maybe not.
But at least you know a Texas school will be decent in the future. And UH can start to recruit in Texas. I don’t think they were getting many players out of Reno.
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Found this article online about Nevada and it’s upcoming game with USU. Hawai’i is mentioned in here quite a bit. But here’s a quote from Coach Ault about the Hawai’i game that bugs me:
Make no mistake, the Pack is not likely going to forget what happened in Honolulu anytime soon.
“We got beat by a team that shouldn’t have beaten us,” Ault said.
http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20101028/SPORTS/101029890/1055&ParentProfile=1045
Well, Coach Ault, you did, so go take it out on USU. Move on. There’s nothing you can do about a game that happened two weeks ago.
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Keep things business-like, stay level, don’t get too high or low on a game. When the game is over, celebrate for a bit, then move on to the next one. Even keel. It’s something you see in the best teams.
But also, for the players – hopefully they don’t get caught up and distracted by the fans’ adulation, which comes with the wins and accolades. It’s great to have fan support, but it can be intoxicating and a distraction at a time when the team most needs to focus.
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Texas is a answer. we have and will continue to have exposure in Texas. the Texas schools will be good, now or eventually.
down the road… in the next 30 days, anticipate a good media blitz by UHAD, for example…
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plan on Hawaii continuing to have a good football program. and plan on scheduling Hawaii to play away games with very good football programs. if can, try to get those games played on “neutral” turf, but at least schedule ONE very good program away. a team we know will have a winning history. Alabama Arkansas LSU USC come to mind… back to back games with LaTech and LSU away would make my day…
and when dealing with Mr. Benson and his future scheduling deals, remind him that Hawaii neva go outta our way to run away. I’d like to think we’re like Ryan Henry… we keep our word.
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