Spring break: Lower Campus

All that pastrami talk got me thinking , why not Subway’s version. You can make it how you want. I know its not New York or Chicago but hey its a 12 incher. 🙂 Have a great morning and day. Good morning DPK.
Good morning to Mr. Tsai.

Imua

Damien and his Mom are hard workers. All the best to them.

GOOD MORNING HAWAII!

God Bless, Mr. Packer!

d1, good morning and time to hi ho hi ho

Geezus, my heart goes out to Damien and his mom for the sacrifices they have made…..wish there was some way we could help out Damien with a special fund or send in something w/o breaking NCAA rules and regulations……

great job Damien!

Being a kid (old guy now) of a single mother who raised more than one boy alone, I can see how Mrs. Packer has sacrificed to raise her son. Folks like her and my mom are real heroes. They did it the absolute hard way; their way, no government assistance.

I remember a lot of hand me downs, one pair of shoes for a school year, recapped tires for the only car we had in the entire time growing up, lots of tuna casserole, xchange orangeade and a whole lot of time going to the park (free entertainment).

That young man seems to understand the sacrifices his mom makes to help him and it appears that he is living up to his end of the deal (good grades, a terrific attitude and a dedicated athlete).

Boy didn’t we all drink xchange orangeade back in the day. I was just talking to a friend last week about xchange because he used to sell it to the stores.

Aloha all–So, here are some of my pithy thoughts on Northwestern NLRB case, that dropped yesterday:

The regional director of the National Labor Relations Board ruled Wednesday that a group of Northwestern football players were employees of the university and have the right to form a union and bargain collectively.

For the last 50 years major college sports have been based on the premise idea of the student-athlete; that is players receiving scholarships to pay for their education in exchange for competing for their respective university. Peter Ohr, the regional N.L.R.B. director reversed all of that yesterday.

In short, he ruled that Northwestern’s scholarship football players should be eligible to form a union based on a number of factors, including the time they devote to football . Mr. Ohr deemed the current dynamic as basically a contract for compensation. “It cannot be said that the employer’s scholarship players are ‘primarily students,’ ” the decision said.

The more germane and relevant context to all of this is the fact that television contracts for the new college football playoff system is worth $7.3 billion over 10 years, and the current deal to broadcast the men’s basketball tournament is worth $10.8 billion over 14 years.
It also sharpens the posit of whether N.C.A.A. should modify its rules on how athletes are compensated. One should note, that collective bargaining at public universities is governed by state law, not the N.L.R.B., and thus this decision is not applicable to state universities, only private ones…e.g. Stanford , SMU, Rice, Tulane, etc.

Northwestern will no doubt appeal, in a process that could take at least several months.
The N.C.A.A. was not a party to the labor proceeding, but was predictably very dissapointed and planning its next move in rebuttal.

The ruling centered not on the treatment of players, but on the university’s relationship to them. “Just because they’re a good employer doesn’t mean they’re not an employer,” said Tim Waters, the political director for the United Steelworkers, a union that has worked on rights for college athletes for more than a decade. Thus, we enter the legal forum, where looking like a duck, acting like a duck, and smelling like a duck, well, the next thing you know, your friends are calling you Daffy.

It was sharly noted that Northwestern football reported $235 million in revenue from 2003 to 2012, and that players are recruited for their athletic ability, not their academics. Personally, the distinction from this case versus prior cases, that on the surface seemed similar are was that ruling cites multiple factors in concluding that the scholarship football players at Northwestern are employees: that they perform services for the benefit of their employer and receive compensation (in the form of a scholarship) in exchange, and that scholarship players are “subject to the employer’s control in the performance of their duties as football players.”

Ohr also differentiated the case of Northwestern’s football players from those of graduate teaching assistants at Brown University (in which the NLRB ruled for the university in 2004) because “the players’ football-related duties are unrelated to their academic studies unlike the graduate assistants whose teaching and research duties were inextricably tied to their graduate degree requirements.

It should also be noted, that the players have said they’re not seeking a salary. But their immediate goals for collective bargaining are significant: increasing scholarships and coverage for sports-related medical expenses, minimizing the risk of traumatic brain injury through measures like reduced contact in practice, improving graduation rates with help from an “educational trust fund,” and securing due process rights.

Finally, again the ruling applies only to private colleges, so athletes at public institutions would have to petition at the state level should they seek to unionize. But if the full board affirms the regional decision, its basis could ultimately be used by athletes at other universities as grounds to seek unionization.

Are fb scholarship players eligible for food stamp assistance?

Yes, ground beef on toast is ordered as SOS at Ft. Shafter Bowling Alley.
Frequently not showing on menu, but ask for it, and sooooooooo cheap too.

Good luck Mr. Packer, you will be rewarded for your hard work and perseverance.

The problem with the NLRB’s Northwestern decision is that it is premised on the notion that the services performed by the athletes are for the “benefit of the employer”. The reality is that, nationally, university athletics are subsidized by universities and not the other way around. Go check out the college athletics database at this link:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/ncaa-college-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

There are athletic budget statistics provided for 227 public universities. The statistics include something called “subsidy” which is the amount of money that the schools themselves and/or their state governments and/or their students (via student fees) are contributing to balance the athletic budget. There are exactly 6 of the 227 — SIX — with a subsidy of zero. Only those six universities are earning a financial benefit from athletics. The rest are literally paying to play.

The reality is that almost everywhere, the big bucks earned by college football and basketball are not benefitting the university financially, but instead (after covering football and basketball expenses) are being plowed into the non-revenue sports. The millions and millions of dollars earned from TV networks that are paying to broadcast college football and basketball are not making the universities rich, rather they are paying for scholarships and coaches and facilities for the baseball teams, the softball teams, the soccer teams, the golf teams, the tennis teams, the track teams, the gymnastics teams, the swimming and diving teams, the water polo teams, the hockey teams, the skiing teams, and (except at UH where Wahine volleyball makes money) the volleyball teams. And thanks to Title IX, the greatest beneficiaries of the entire system have been female athletes.

In the end, either the NLRB or the courts will figure out that the Northwestern football players aren’t sweating and suffering to make the university rich. They’re doing it to give the Northwestern softball players the same opportunity to sweat and suffer. And in the process, both the football players AND the softball players are getting a free education in the deal. IMHO that’s not an injustice.

Also S.O.S. on rice is oh so good…so I guess it is S.O.R?

Guud Morning Tsaikos…bootiful day.

ballpicker..only can say go try one teddy’s pastrami and swiss and compare. they got um with one burger mix too but… pastrami is pastrami a burger is a burger. if you like both den get one each…lol

how about a sardine sandwich because it was half the price of tuna.

Sardines and onions were a college pupu staple.

26– Mongoose, while the numbers for revenue I cited are large, in the end, it is not what is compelling the legal folks at the NLRB. Rather, I think what is more distinct to this case, if that football is so divergent and in contrast to the inherent and intrinsic features of a University. While they certainly have a profound added-value, and thus, if is much easier to make the theoretical legal leap, that players look like contract employees rather than essential members of the institution.

33…Buddah the thing that confirms the recommendation, was I didn’t have to eat for almost two days afterwards. This thing had, 3 eggs, 2 hamburger steak, teri chicken and beef, with kalua pig and mac salad……..

boola…you doing it again…da opu is starting to make noise..

41–So North Shore, I was on Maui doing some business when I ate this, I think it was like close to 12 noon, and I literally woke up the next morning, having not anything in the meantime, and felt like I still full.

not sure what happens after college ball is over but we’ve had some athletes who “retired” because of medical situations. who covers them…they get a lifetime of medical problems after college ball and will have to seek coverage with a pre-existing condition. I have a couple of friends who have sustained career ending problems due to hs and college ball. Granted the situation came up long after their playing days were over but it could be traced to the injuries suffered in specific games.

Was reminded of this, again, today. Please, everyone, read it carefully and absorb it fully.

Are you a Booster?

Boosters (referred to by the NCAA as “representatives of athletics interests”) are individuals that:
· Participate in or have been members of Koa Anuenue or any other booster group that supports athletics;
· Have made financial contributions to the University of Hawaii Athletics Department;
· Have assisted in the recruitment of student-athletes;
· Provide or have helped arrange benefits for enrolled student-athletes or their families;
· Participated as a student-athlete of the University of Hawaii; or
· Have been involved in promoting University of Hawaii Athletics in any other way.

http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/sports/2008/12/3/GEN_1203081305.aspx?id=83

If you fit into any of these groups, you are a booster. According to the NCAA, once an individual has been identified as a UH booster, that person is a booster of UH for life. UH Athletics is ultimately responsible for the actions of all boosters in relation to NCAA rules and regulations.

44 ST: You bring-up an issue of parity, and its easier in football, as there are no partial scholarships–so its not like you are tyring to slice up the benefits that are derived from being part of a union.

Again, the director of the NLRB’s Chicago office, makes on page 18 of his opinion. No matter what the NCAA wants you to think, Northwestern’s scholarship football players, he writes, “are not primarily students.” This is the thrust of their case, and the reason for his decision and support.

In short, it comes down to the exorbitant amount of hours that are documented behind the activities for football in season.

Players spend 50 to 60 hours a week on football during a training camp before school starts.
They also dedicate 40 to 50 hours per week on football during the four-month season. “Not only is this more hours than many undisputed full-time employees work at their jobs, it is also many more hours than the players spend on their studies,” Ohr writes. They spend 20 hours per week in class and more doing homework, sure, but they also work on football outside of official practice time. Ohr’s equation also doesn’t seem to take into account the off season. But, he writes, it “cannot be said” that they “spend only a limited number of hours performing their athletic duties.”

While not the crux of the case, but it provides a stark retort to the mostly fictive concept of the big-time scholar-athlete, or in much clearer words, Northwestern’s players are athletes first, students second. Throughout the decision, he recounts the ways in which team members are expected to prioritize athletics over school—for instance, by avoiding classes that might conflict with practices, even if the courses are necessary for their major. The fact that the university tries to support them with tutors and study hall requirements only underscores “the extraordinary time demands placed on the players by their athletic duties,” he writes.

And this is at Northwestern, an institution known that has a very stout academic reputation (not Boola level, but hey a college can dream–lol) My bigger sarcastic point is that if Northwestern can’t make the case that their players are “primarily students,” who can?

From a legal vantage this is crucial as Northwestern had argued that the NLRB should apply the test it used when it ruled in 2004 that graduate teaching assistants at Brown could not unionize. Part of the board’s reasoning, at the time, was that while TAs indeed do lots of work as instructors, they are primarily at school to learn, and teaching is one of their degree requirements. Ohr found that the Brown test wasn’t applicable, because nobody is required to play QB to earn a bachelor’s degree.

Summarilly, Ohr’s ruling is that Northwestern’s scholarship football players really do work for pay. They are recruited largely for their football abilities; they spend an inordinate amount of time on their sport; they’re rewarded with valuable scholarships, which can be canceled; they’re subject to special rules other students aren’t; and their labor is clearly valuable to the school, which brings in millions of dollars in football-related profits.

Thus to answer STs, concern about parity, walk-on players, who have more flexibility when it comes to balancing athletics and sports and basically play for the love, can’t unionize.

The obvious has been formally reconginized– football players are not “primarily students.

Good morning everyone!

Best wishes to Damien Packer and his mom!

I’m at home staring at a case Libby’s Vienna sausage– case of 18 cans for around $6. Like tuna, eat out of can, shoyu-sugar, etc.–even tempura style. 🙂

RE: #13
Can’t make it to Beretania Teddy’s at 1130 today, but thanks for the Cattle Call, Al.

Hey ballpicker!

Also wanted to say what a great story about Damien. With all that he’s trying to accomplish, he has a 3.6 GPA. Says a lot about the fine character of this young man and also his parent.

The only players that will get paid are sports that generate business for the University. Sorry women’s sports, tennis, etc… Basically Football and Men’s Basketball are the only sports where athletes generate business. So those athletes should be treated fairly. This has nothing to do with Title 9 so that won’t come into play at all… This is a matter of the rich going to get richer. Teams that run a successful business will be able to attract better talent.

To again repeat a point, I think some folks this is a money-grab, and they want to have a “salary”. But to be certain, what they are specifically asking for is the following:

increasing scholarships and coverage for sports-related medical expenses, minimizing the risk of traumatic brain injury through measures like reduced contact in practice, improving graduation rates with help from an “educational trust fund,” and securing due process rights–period.

Moreover, what the NLRB is saying if you treat folks, in this case students, like employees, then accordingly, they will vest the same rights as employees, that is to say, the right to collectively bargain. In achieving this status, the NLRB went to great lengths in establishing the time spent on the sport, in season as much 50 hours a week, and as well, that sports are not inherently part of the educational system, thus they are by operation and practice being essentially paid for their athletic skills.

3 prong, sorry neva help, but just got back from monkey business.

Boola:
That is what the Northwestern players are saying that will be asking for. But what if unionization does take hold, do you think players from other schools will be satisfied with only those things?

me guess that college sports are not to be defined as “amateur” athletics anymore. NLRB just defined them as “pros”..

haka…if one is working for pay, as stated by Ohr…then subject to taxation..?
nah, no worry da gov and leg gonna give um a break…I tink.

An old fraternity brother of mine is a well known labor lawyer in South carolina. He represents employers and SC is a right to work state. Here is his take on the ruling. Obviously he is biased in favor of employers.

Just a few clarifying points regarding the National Labor Relations Board’s (i.e. the Regional Director for Region 13’s) decision that scholarship football players at Northwestern University are “employees” under the National Labor Relations Act. First, the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) specifically EXCLUDES federal, STATE, and local government employees.

Thus, this decision does not affect “State” or “public” universities such as South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, N.C. State, Georgia, etc. It is against the law in South Carolina for a public sector entity to recognize and collectively bargain with a union. Some states, however, permit public sector entities to engage in collective bargaining with unions which could eventually affect State Universities and Colleges in those particular states. (Private schools such as Duke, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Wofford, Furman, etc. are much more likely to eventually be affected although the NLRB’s decision is limited to scholarship football players at Northwestern.) Second, this is an absurd decision, a gross distortion of the law, and just another example of extreme overreaching by the NLRB. (As union membership continues to decline nationwide, the NLRB continues to try to justify its existence by extending into areas well beyond its traditional boundaries.)

Third, we will soon see if the Five (5) Member Panel of the NLRB which is known as “the full Board” and serves as a quasi-judicial body for this administrative agency will rule in favor or reject the decision of Region 13’s Regional Director. While I hope I am wrong, I am expecting that a majority of the full Board will uphold the decision. Northwestern would not be able to directly appeal a decision by the full Board, which would immediately direct that a union representation election be held.

If the union wins, then Northwestern would refuse to bargain with the union, the union would file an unfair labor practice charge, and Northwestern could then challenge the election in an unfair labor practice proceeding. This could take many, many years, and would likely involve multiple federal appellate court appeals that could probably end up being decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. Of course, there could be a legislative fix that would involve “reining in” the NLRB and its excesses. [Motivation for this post: Hearing lots of misinformation being spewed on the radio. The media has not done a good job of explaining the NLRB’s ruling, and this is an area of the law with which most people are not familiar.]

Hope that Damien and the other walkons are getting the necessary nutrients and calories, especially during fall and the spring ball. I assume that there is no training table for walkons (common at most schools).

If I’m not a booster, I can legally bribe ($$$) athletes to play for UH.

See, folks, there is always a loophole. Please write checks payable to me and I will make sure it goes towards recruiting.

Congrats to Abe Elimimian on his new position, Simon Fraser U (Canada) DC

71. I doubt Vball or Baseball make profit…. It’s the TV deals that bring in the millions…

Collegiate sports at schools like the University of Hawaii, a state institution, will fade away unless the state legislators come to grips with the simple fact that in order to maintain a sports program, it will have to step up financially to support it. And Title IX will either have to be modified or discarded altogether because the NCAA will no longer be the ruling body – the union will be.

Student/employee…..the real winners are going to be the lawyers and sports agents in the short term. The athletes will get increased benefits eventually but lawyers on both sides of the issue will be making their money now. Sports agents must be drooling at the possiblities the NW ruling has openned up.

Training table costs were taken out of the schollies. Walks ons could partake but would need to pay out of pocket and its not cheap last I remember.

When was the NCAA the ruling body of college sports?

Did the BCS, ESPN, and FOX SPORTS take a day off from running college athletics?

FOOD REPORT:

The pastrami-hamburger – you might be better off sticking to pastrami or hamburger, not both. Company was good though.

Thank you everyone for writing about the NU – NLRB decision.

#89 NSF – RIGHT on both counts! (#89 and #30)!

83

correct call on the training table…don’t know if it still applies, but in the past, players that worked out could get protein shakes, walk-ons included.

First serve is 5pm.

You arrive only 15 minutes before to buy tickets.

You say UH box office was ill-prepared and not expecting the large crowd.

You know yourself the crowd will be large.

You arrive only 15 minutes beforehand.

*Granted missing 1.5 sets is bad, but arriving ONLY 15 minutes before hand?

😆

3prong…tokyo tei is safe.

next time go pre-order choc-truffle mochi and choc-pnut butter mochi from maui chocolate specialties.

brok’ da mout. fo sure. and da boss going be happy.

so speaking of brok mout.
we all tried the pastrami burger at teddy’s. some ordered the bigger burger but everyone had fries. i added extra swiss on mine. the bun that they use is the real star in my opinion.

sure enuff we all finished our combos like a good tsaiko should. even myki when wolf hers down and like the lady she is was saying she too full already (wink).

i had my eye on their fabulous real ice cream shakes but alas i couldn ‘t muster a burp to clear some room for it. i’ll have to return soon.

and like he did at the first christmas party, stretch shows up from out of the shadows.

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am glad to hear that sum of the tsaikos enjoyed a tsaiko lunch.

STRETCH: you mentioned all of the debris, dirt etc at your construction site.

There seems to be a deep sinkhole in Wahiawa per Channel 2 News this evening,

RIP…mr. al chase. thanks for nearly 40 years of covering sports in Hawaii.

Good Aloha Friday!

ST, nice story about Damien Packer. Hope he gets a scholarship soon.

Happy Aloha Friday, gang!

wonda if d1 is up. ok d1, rise and shine and you know the friday routine, hi ho hi ho

Might have posted about this a few years ago… UCLA has a food closet open to all students. Other schools have adopted this idea…

http://www.studentaffairs.ucla.edu/article_foodcloset.html