Fresno State, Nevada to join MWC

Yep, it’s official. 

WAC members Fresno State and Nevada have accepted invitations to join the Mountain West Conference.

And, yes, it’s official. 

The WAC and its most senior member — Hawaii — are in trouble. I suppose UH could wish upon a star that the MWC will offer an invitation. 

More likely, UH is facing the probability of going independent in football. Maybe other sports, too. I mean, what’s softball, for instance, going to be like without Fresno State and Nevada? Even Boise State will be missed, especially if the Rainbow Wahine try to set another home run record. 

Spin it. Flip it. Do the hokey pokey. This still will go down as a dark day in WAC and UH history.


  1. truefan August 18, 2010 1:44 am


  2. WarriorMojo August 18, 2010 1:44 am

    First, Baby!

  3. lil.s August 18, 2010 1:48 am


  4. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 1:56 am

    When are we going to see you at practice, Mojo

  5. lil.s August 18, 2010 1:59 am

    i think it would be a great addition to the wac even tho it probably wont be for football. It’ll maybe open up opportunities for more non-conference football games with them which would bring back that big-time college football rivalry to hawaii. i can still remember watching those 89-90 games on LIVE TV w/my grandpa, along with the 92 game in person. only the 07 washington game comes somewhat close to that atmosphere. and i missed the whole 1st half of that game. even in b-ball seeing trevor ruffin & tes whitlock’s buzzer beaters, nothing beats it imho. it should be only positives if it happens.

  6. WarriorMojo August 18, 2010 2:18 am

    Yeah, hopefully soon. Been busy with work and some family things. Honestly, I would have a bit more incentive if I could do my paparazzi thing, but I guess fotos are still verboten.

  7. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 2:27 am

    It’s always good to come to practice just to see what’s going on.

    I guess I’ve become jaded.

    During the summer, I invited a guy whose writing a UH-related novel to watch an unsupervised workout. It was the first time the guy had a close-up view of the Warriors. He was really impressed with the size, speed and talent of Division I athletes.

    I guess I go so often I forget the wonderment of it all.

  8. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 2:30 am

    We were all 18, 19, 20 once. (Some of us three times.)

    We know what it’s like to be young and irresponsible.

    Imagine being that age, and having your every move analyzed, and critiqued in articles, blogs, posts, tweets, etc.

    We forget how talented these kids are.

    We also forget how young they are.

  9. WarriorMojo August 18, 2010 2:31 am

    Yeah, I will definitely get out to one soon. Hopefully this week, with the holiday. I’m ecstatic that the fall sports season is nearly upon us.

  10. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 2:35 am

    It’s not inexpensive to watch UH football games.

    That’s why the practices are good opportunities for fans to get to know the Warriors.

  11. mctruck August 18, 2010 3:02 am

    BYU, back to the WAC????…that would be great for the conference because they have fans from Hawaii and the WAC in general.

    BYU, no matter what they do….there’s no hope for an invite to a BCS conference because it’s a religious institution,(God Bless Them). I truely think BYU would be better-off as an independent just like ND.

  12. UH363354Fan August 18, 2010 3:33 am

    happy 18th birthday Bubba (#36)..Go Warrior Football!!!

  13. David Vill August 18, 2010 3:34 am

    Just letting you guys know Brashton Satele finally returned to practice for the Jets today.

  14. Wan Belter August 18, 2010 3:41 am

    Madonna is a pioneer. If she didn’t have the ‘balls’ to do whatever she’s wanted, there’d be no ‘discussions n posts’ about her. Above all- don’t 4get the music: she has more top tens than even Elvis! History will show her to be a true genius who molded n shaped society- not the other way around.Madonna rules. Period.

  15. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 3:41 am

    I think, because BYU is BYU, having them in the WAC (maybe contractually for a minimum of say, 10-12 years?) for the rest of the sports may have a rippling effect on the rest of the MWC. I don’t really think their football program alone is big enough, nationally, to handle independence… but what do I know? Maybe they make it as an independent with a nice tv deal somehow… maybe not. If maybe not, then they come back to the WAC for football too, since they’re tied in for the rest of the sports.

    Over the years, some of our best crowds involved UH-BYU games.

    With the teams in the WAC now, BYU can only add to the top tier… something we’re in desperate need of. Can’t be selfish and hold a grudge… this is about our financial future.

  16. protector August 18, 2010 3:46 am


    I don’t know if using Madonna is a good analogy since she’s actually a decent actress, whereas BYU sucks as an ally & WAC partner. Screw BYU. What would everybody say if Boise State proposed to be an independent in football and a WAC member in all the other sports. Suck much? I thinks so.

  17. Garret August 18, 2010 3:53 am

    BYU would *not* leave the MWC to become a full member of the WAC, that simply would not make sense for them…less money, no chance at AQ, higher travel costs. The only reason they would leave the MWC is that they can make millions more in TV money by having the rights to every home game broadcast.

    So, the choice for the WAC is taking BYU for all non-football games or not having BYU. Given that choice, the WAC would take BYU. The WAC would have *already* have told BYU that for them to seriously consider going independent in football.

    There are 2 big negatives for the WAC taking BYU in:

    1. The WAC couldn’t have any BYU games on Sundays. That could complicate scheduling and could reduce some TV opportunities.

    2. The MWC could invite Fresno State to take BYU’s spot. The MWC’s AQ chances would not take that big a hit with that swap and the WAC would then be 1 football team short of the minimum needed for a conference. Plus, BYU playing in the MWC this season means that their BCS points would count for the MWC for AQ status.

    Or, the MWC could invite Fresno State *and* Nevada to go to 10 teams after BYU leaves…really hurting the WAC and BYU.

  18. Garret August 18, 2010 3:56 am

    The Sporting News must not like UH. They assume that UH won’t make a bowl game so they have Fresno State and UTEP playing in the Hawaii Bowl in their bowl projections.

    They project SMU to play *BYU* in the Armed Forces Bowl. Due to construction at TCU’s stadium, the Armed Forces Bowl will actually be played at SMU’s stadium this year so there will be a push to get SMU to play there instead of the Hawaii Bowl this year.

  19. Garret August 18, 2010 4:19 am

    The biggest reason why letting BYU join the WAC as a non-football member could be good for UH…that would set a precedent that would allow *UH* to go independent and stay in the WAC for the other sports. That would be a good option for UH to have, as the biggest problem for going independent would be for UH to find a conference for its nonrevenue sports.

  20. Garret August 18, 2010 4:29 am

    BYU could be going independent as a way to increase their appeal to the Big 12. The Big 12 almost added BYU at least 2 times in the past and there are 2 openings in that conference.

    One important thing to note is that the Big 12 allows its schools to have their own TV networks or make their own TV deals. Texas and Oklahoma may have their own TV networks in a couple of years and by going independent BYU will ramp up their TV distribution also.

    BYU would not be leaving the MWC to be a full member of the WAC. However, they could make more money as an independent if the WAC gives them a home for their non-football teams while they wait a couple of years for the Big 12 to expand in time for their new TV negotiations.

  21. Garret August 18, 2010 4:31 am

    When the terms of BYU joining the WAC are revealed, I’m guessing that they would pay no exit fee if they leave the WAC for another conference. If that is the case, BYU would just be using the WAC to keep their non-football teams afloat until the next round of conference realignment.

    If UH wants to be a serious player in the next round of conference shuffling, UH should look at whether or not the WAC would let UH go independent in football and keep the rest of the teams in the conference.

  22. Hank August 18, 2010 4:34 am

    …BYU returning would be good news for the WAC, even if it didn’t include football…i didn’t like the way things went down when they left, but hey, it was about business and if we were invited to that secret meeting – would we say no?…:>

  23. rage777 August 18, 2010 4:37 am

    I say screw BYU!! That just like Shaq trying to come back to the Lakers after talking bad about them all these years. You burn your bridge, don’t come back.

  24. Garret August 18, 2010 4:54 am


    But that would keep BYU in the MWC, possibly get the MWC AQ status, and keep the MWC much stronger than the WAC. Weakening the MWC and giving UH an option to go independent is worth a lot more than some bad feelings towards BYU.

  25. Last Call August 18, 2010 5:05 am

    Call me if the BYU news becomes a reality. Right now I’m just getting up to speed on the last conference shuffle.

    According to the Las Gruces Sun yesterday the Aggie athletic dept wants to siphon 4.1 million dollars a year from the academic fund to save Aggie athletics . It has cause quite an uproar with professors who told the athletic dept to leave the WAC and drop to a lower level in football.

  26. Garret August 18, 2010 5:20 am

    I’m glad that it appears that Fresno State and Nevada turned down the MWC. The WAC finally got schools to agree on a $5 million penalty for leaving:

    Once Boise State left, the remaining WAC members — Fresno State, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Hawaii, Idaho, Nevada and Utah State — signed a $5 million buyout agreement that would be assessed to any member that left the conference within the next five years. The schools took that move to keep other members from following the Broncos to the MWC.

  27. Garret August 18, 2010 5:21 am

    From an ESPN reporter’s twitter account:

    MWC made run at FSU-Nevada Tuesday but both agreed to stay in WAC

  28. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 5:24 am

    So, most are still holding grudges against the MWC? What about other former WAC teams like Arizona and Arizona State? Business is business. If we can come out ahead, then why not? We play against BYU in several other sports already… and we will continue to. What’s the big deal? Move on.

  29. Garret August 18, 2010 5:41 am

    By the way, a lot of the reports about BYU’s going independent appear to be using Colorado State’s twitter account as the source for the leak. However…

    MWC source sez the folks at CSU football, who “broke” news of BYU announcement, claim their Twitter feed got hacked & they can’t log back in

  30. Garret August 18, 2010 5:46 am

    If Fresno State or Nevada won’t go to the MWC, Houston actually has a higher BCS rating than either school. If the MWC could add Houston, C-USA could add La Tech. Lots of variables and if BYU is going to do anything it has to be finalized in less than 2 weeks….

  31. rage777 August 18, 2010 5:48 am


    It doesn’t matter to me if the MWC gets an AQ bid, that doesn’t do anything for Hawaii. The MWC is not going to want Hawaii either way because of the travel costs. BYU doesn’t bring anything to the table in their other sports. I remember their men’s volleyball team being good a long time ago, but other than that BYU is only good for football.

    Let’s face it, Hawaii will always be in the WAC. The only way they are going to get out is to go independent or get a really good football team for a lot of years in a row. Going independent is a major financial disaster for Hawaii and I don’t see those good football years coming anytime soon.

  32. rage777 August 18, 2010 5:58 am

    I don’t hold a grudge against the MWC, I hold grudges against the teams that have no loyalty to Hawaii. BYU and UH had a great rivalry and they wanted the greener pastures, so go to the greener pastures just don’t come crawling back. UNLV didn’t want to leave UH behind, but they couldn’t turn down the money and I don’t blame them for going.

    I am not old enough to remember Arizona and ASU in the WAC, but I don’t think they left to form their own conference to go against the WAC either.

    I don’t see where we come out ahead if BYU is in the WAC. I don’t think their other sports do anything for UH or the WAC. I can just hear in 5 years where they start complaining about the travel costs to fly to UH for all of their other sports that are losing money because of the travel costs.

  33. Last Call August 18, 2010 6:00 am

    Yo Garret can you some proof, a link or something that Hawai`i and other WAC schools signed a $5 million buyout agreement.I’m having a hard time believing that one.

  34. Garret August 18, 2010 6:03 am

    Last Call,

    That was in the ESPN article. Click on my name on that post. I’m shocked about that because Fresno State and Nevada were obviously trying to get into the MWC and even Karl Benson said that La Tech would go to the C-USA once they were invited…the WAC probably even wants La Tech to leave to save on travel costs.

  35. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 6:04 am

    That was a long time ago.

    Time to move forward and take the reins.

    The WAC could now use 100% BYU with the loss of Boise.

    Isn’t the Salt lake city hub easier to fly into now?

  36. Garret August 18, 2010 6:04 am

    Last Call,

    Click on my name on post #26. The stuff that I post that is quoted and bolded is never my words, that is always stuff cut from articles with NO editing by me.

  37. Last Call August 18, 2010 6:11 am

    Thanks Garret,WOW did they keep that hush, hush or what ? I don’t recall ever seeing in in any of the WAC schools home town press.

  38. whitey August 18, 2010 6:20 am

    Good morning Tsaikos

  39. whitey August 18, 2010 6:21 am

    d1, ok it is time to go ho hi and have a great day. hoo hai

  40. Pomai August 18, 2010 6:25 am

    Here we go again, schools dictateing to the WAC, when is Benson growing some ALA’s, BYWho you want to join the WAC except for football no problem here are the terms. Lets get the dog wagging the tail rather than the other way around.

  41. d1島 August 18, 2010 6:28 am

    Great Morning All!

    Getting used as a stepping stone might not be too good for the psyche of the WAC but as far as Hawaii fans go any opportunity to “BEAT BYU” at anything is a draw.

    Hope the O-line pukas get filled quick…unit cohesion is tantamount.


    #2 son and his teammates check-in today for another run at the NC…


  42. Kekoa (iPhone) August 18, 2010 6:28 am

    Na Koa Mike ~

    From what I saw of the Na Koa Bowl, it was a rousing success! Mahalo to all who volunteered to kokua.

    Just one suggestion for next year. For a small donation of say, $20…one would gain entrance to the SSC to witness the proceedings. Proceeds from the concession stands could be added to the funds.

  43. d1島 August 18, 2010 6:29 am

    Thanks Whitey!


  44. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc August 18, 2010 6:29 am

    Mahalo – Stephen.

    I am still waiting for our volleyball & football tickets. Anyone here gotten theirs yet?

  45. whitey August 18, 2010 6:32 am

    To forgive and accept is not easy, but in today’s world where money talks and morality walks, the WAC will probably accept BYU in other sports. Because of money, the WAC should stipulate that BYU pay a penalty if they leave within 5 years.

  46. whitey August 18, 2010 6:36 am

    one big plus for the WAC is that the RPI would definitely go up in other sports and may help UH get better seeding when playing in any NCAA championship.

  47. whitey August 18, 2010 6:36 am

    Enjoy your day and may my friend, sunshine, keep you warm and healthy!!!!

  48. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc August 18, 2010 6:48 am

    How much money was made at the Na Koa Bowl?

  49. LizKauai (iPad) August 18, 2010 6:52 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    #43. Good idea! Add utograph sessions, memorabilia silent auction, and bring in the Coltster if he’s available ( hoping not, actually)!

  50. chopsueyboy August 18, 2010 6:53 am

    do the younger fans even care about the BYU rivalry?

    Good Morning Tsai-kos!

  51. 702WarriorFan August 18, 2010 6:54 am

    Coach Tormey up on BC/1420 next……. good morning!

  52. Pomai August 18, 2010 6:58 am

    #51 – They would if UH did their marketing right. BYwhoo was the best game going in the 80/90’s, Games should be shown of KFVE every once in awhile.

  53. duffer aka Ace (iPhone) August 18, 2010 7:02 am


    You got mail!

  54. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 7:02 am

    This BYU possible move is maybe a ploy move to eventually end up in the Big-12.

    rumor with the big boosters is that BYU has reached some sort of agreement with Texas to help them get their own broadcasting program off the ground.

    BYU would produce the Texas product until Texas has their production facilities and equipment in place.. and BYU would pick up a huge chunk of change in the process.. deal would supposedly last a couple 2-3 seasons at least, and BYU would keep all the revenue from that.

    This gives BYU more financial security than anyone would have thought they’d have previously, and puts them in a real good position to get into Texas’ good graces for the next round of Big-12 expansion talk.

    Supposedly BYU will go independent, rake in the cash, and then join the Big-12 when Texas is finally fully established and ready to produce their own media on campus.

  55. rage777 August 18, 2010 7:08 am

    I was mistaken in that BYU doesn’t have some good sports. I saw that they have a good softball, basketball, and volleyball teams. That doesn’t change my stance that the WAC shouldn’t take them in. I can’t envision Karl Benson turning anyone down to come to the WAC though, he took Idaho State for goodness sake. I would put a buy-in fee for BYU for talking bad about BYU, put a clause that if they ever leave the WAC again that they can’t talk bad about the WAC, and put a $20 million penalty for BYU if they leave before 10 years and $10 million after 10 years.

  56. mctruck August 18, 2010 7:30 am

    Just heard on ESPN minutes ago that BYU is going independant in fb and play rest of sports in the WAC.

  57. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 7:34 am

    Love Madonna as a singer.

    Love her more as an icon.

    But as an actress? OK, I’ll give her points for Desperately Seeking Susan. But I also sat through Shanghai Surprise, Dick Tracy and Evita. Then again, my experience with Evita was skewed. Watched it in San Diego with Ferd during a road trip. Shouldn’t have had the super-sized soda. My bladder was about to explode while I waited for the movie to end. It looked like it was about to end but, no, Madonna’s character was still alive. Almost dead? Nope still.

  58. chopsueyboy August 18, 2010 7:34 am

    the difference between football and baseball by George Carlin

  59. expat August 18, 2010 7:36 am

    It would be pretty odd for anyone in the WAC to have a grudge against Arizona or ASU considering that no current WAC members were in the WAC when the AZ teams left. You could argue that Hawaii, the senior member of the WAC, was only added because of the departure of the Arizona teams.

    I think the WAC is the only active conference in the country where none of the original members are still members (the MAC and Sunbelt are close) The WAC is 48 years old. Of the original six members three will be in the PAC-12 (with Utah moving) and three in the MWC — assuming BYU stays put. 24 schools have been members of the WAC. That is not a record though. The Sunbelt is only 34 years old and has already had more members.

  60. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 7:38 am

    I would soften my view of BYU if this arrangement were permanent. But c’mon. If the Big 12 calls, is BYU going to stay?

    And that’s not a knock on BYU.

    If UH went independent in all sports but football, and then the Pac-10 or Big 12 called, I’m sure Hinshaw would be the first to say: “See ya, suckers.”

  61. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 7:42 am

    To me the grudge against BYU would be that this is a faith-based school of integrity. But meeting in private to plot an escape plan was not honorable.

    Nor was it honorable for a school (San Diego State) to plot against schools (Fresno State and San Jose State) from the same California state school system.

    A better way would have been to work out a divorce settlement. That way, perhaps, San Diego State or Vegas could have remained in the WAC while TCU could have been with the original move.

  62. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 7:44 am

    Furthermore, after the breakup, UH was never asked to join the MWC.

    The feelings could be different for Fresno State or Nevada, maybe even for Utah State. But if I’m UH, I would oppose my league being used as a holding area until something better comes along.

  63. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 7:44 am


    This going independent is all a temporary smoke screen and stepping stone for Bigger and brighter skies in the Big-12.

  64. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 7:44 am

    While many believe BYU to have been our biggest rivalry, I still think, overall, it’s Fresno State that still holds that title. A rivalry has to go both ways. I don’t know, exactly, but I believe our football record against BYU is totally one-sided. Whereas it’s more of a contest with Fresno State. I think we started to look at BYU as a rival once they started heavily recruiting our star players out of Kahuku, among other places. Plus, there are serious contests that go both ways in many sports with FSU… again, not the case with BYU. Getting dominated by one school is not a rivalry. It’s an embarassment; a frustration; a thorn in our side. Their closest rival is probably Utah. Just my thoughts…

  65. xtreme808 August 18, 2010 7:45 am

    All I can say is bye bye MWC…the conference will crumble once BYU leaves. I’m sure some of the MWC schools will be begging to come back to the WAC.

  66. PONO August 18, 2010 7:53 am

    What were peoples thought on the Na Koa Bowl? I thought it was very well done and it flowed well.

  67. Garret August 18, 2010 7:54 am

    The end game for BYU is the Big 12. Texas was estimating $20 million to $30 million in start up costs to create its own TV network, so if BYU can help them with that then Texas could save a lot of money and BYU would be paid well for their help. If CoolEthan’s rumor is correct, then that would put BYU on a path for the Big 12…and remember, the Big 12 is looking at $20 million per school for TV money *and* each school can have its own TV network. That is obviously BYU’s best-case scenario.

    If the WAC wants to let BYU have its nonrevenue teams for a couple of years while this all plays out, BYU sure would be happy. The WAC would get a short-term benefit, but if there is no exit fee then BYU would leave the second the Big 12 is ready to expand.

  68. A-joe August 18, 2010 7:56 am

    The WAC didn’t ask BYU to come back. They’re dropping off their kids on the WAC’s front porch.

    Babysitting kids is expensive. BYU should be charged accordingly.

    There should be a “Buy In” clause to help defray the costs to realign the league’s living quarters to accommodate BYU. An even stiffer “Buy Out” clause should BYU decide to up and leave once again.

    BYU should be required to pay all of their own traveling expenses to and from Hawaii.

    The WAC needs to make BYU and any other rogue program with blatant self interest to think twice about using the WAC as a stepping stone.

    The WAC should welcome back BYU with open arms. But, with closed legs this time. Don’t wanna get kicked in the same place again. …Fool me twice…

  69. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 7:56 am

    I agree with #61. I think the underhandedness of the whole forming-a-new-conference, spearheaded by BYU was more shocking than anything else. You take their word and shake their hand in a Gentlemen’s Agreement, and they turn around and leave us at the altar. Reminds me of when their receiver made a touchdown and ran around giving us the finger. Kinda hypocritical, coming from a church school. Then he had to come on and give a taped apology.

    Still, though, if they do rejoin us for all but football for a couple of years, it may help to boost revenue across the board and help us to be in a slightly better financial position a couple of years from now. During that period, we have to plan and scheme our hearts out so we’re ready for the next realignment. After all, if we have a chance to leave the WAC, we’ll have to come up with that 5-mil-cya-fee ourselves.

    We (the WAC) have always been a stepping stone to bigger and better things for everyone else. We’ve just been stuck in this comfort zone for so long, we don’t know how or what to do to get out of it.

  70. haka August 18, 2010 7:56 am


    In da WAC?


    No football?

    Wassup wid dat?


  71. Garret August 18, 2010 7:57 am


    I was able to see more than half of the Na Koa Bowl and thought it was done well. One thing I was wondering though is if they have this every year won’t people just delay their Na Koa donations until the Na Koa Bowl? If people or companies are going to give anyway for their Na Koa membership, how much extra does this bring in? Maybe next year they could add auctions like they have at the Pigskin Pigout, since that would be money people would pay in addition to membership donations.

  72. Last Call August 18, 2010 7:59 am

    It’s a done deal says Salt Lake Trib

  73. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 7:59 am

    Does anybody else think BYU would have a difficult time as an independent? Nobody wants to say it aloud, because it would appear to be a bias against those who go on missions, but BYU, on average, I imagine, has older players. I don’t know if that gives an advantage or not — do you lose athletic ability after not playing for two years? — but it probably would be hard to schedule if you’re perceived to have an older team.

  74. PONO August 18, 2010 7:59 am

    is the na koa membership fee a yearly amount? Maybe they are hoping to get one time donations on top of the membership fees of the base supporters.

  75. Last Call August 18, 2010 8:01 am

    Brigham Young University will leave the Mountain West Conference, go independent in football and rejoin the Western Athletic Conference in all non-football sports beginning in the fall of 2011, The Salt Lake Tribune confirmed Wednesday morning.

    According to an report Tuesday night, the Cougars will play four WAC teams per year in football.

  76. Garret August 18, 2010 8:02 am

    I agree with A-joe with the need for buy-in and buy-out clauses. If the WAC doesn’t require that, then it is clear that BYU will leave. If the buy-in and buy-out clauses are set to be low, then it is clear that BYU will leave, but the WAC schools will get a little out of it. If the buy-in and buy-out clauses are big (remember, $1 million only gets UH about $125k, so much more is needed to really cost BYU for using the WAC) then the WAC schools could be strengthened with the money.

    One thing to consider is that BYU has a good basketball team and that could bring millions to the WAC that lasts for 6 years. So, there should be a clause that BYU doesn’t get *any* NCAA basketball money unless they remain in the WAC for at least 5 years and if they leave they leave all of their basketball money behind. That could actually be a bigger penalty than a buy-in and buy-out clause.

  77. Aaron August 18, 2010 8:05 am

    i’m for anything that weakens the MWC. if it helps BYU to leave the MWC, the WAC should do whatever it can. once the MWC is at it’s most vulnerable, make a very strong push to recruit SDSU and UNLV back over to the WAC. it’s the WAC’s only real opportunity to be proactive than reactive at this point.

    things are too dire to be holding on to old grudges. the conference split was a long time ago. things are different now.

  78. Manoa Mist August 18, 2010 8:07 am

    Well, to your analogy Mr. Tsai, if my wife was hot and I still loved her and I could jump on her anytime I wanted during the weekdays she was with me, heck yes I’d take her back.

    A part-time love is still a good thing.

    Of course, it comes across as semi-desperate. But are we saying the WAC isn’t desperate?

  79. haka August 18, 2010 8:08 am

    “According to an report Tuesday night, the Cougars will play four WAC teams per year in football.”

  80. Stretch August 18, 2010 8:09 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    Interesting discussion. Would this be the same if a former head coach decided to try come back to UH?? Say someone with the initials, JJ?? Just wondering….

  81. Slugger August 18, 2010 8:11 am

    Good morning, gangeez!

    Happy berfday to Bubba Poueu-Luna!

    Practice is a way to be able to see the players up close. In fact…it’s almost that time!

  82. Garret August 18, 2010 8:12 am

    UH already has BYU scheduled for 2012 and 2013. UH *does* have a puka in 2011 which would be great for BYU to fill…BYU can take the open spot in the conference schedule that BSU left. That is one advantage of the WAC not filling the hole left by BSU’s departure, BYU can just slide in there in the schedule.

  83. chopsueyboy August 18, 2010 8:13 am

    I was hoping there would be an auction at the Na Koa Bowl.

  84. haka August 18, 2010 8:13 am

    After thinking about it, it may not be bad. Everyone has some good points.

    RPI for WAC goes up

    MWC is dealt a severe blow

    Boise just spiked the clip board

    We have them on schedule already

    Beating them in any sport is sweet


  85. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 8:16 am

    Done deal: BYU to go independent in football

  86. Tae Bo Jackson August 18, 2010 8:16 am

    Now’s the time to completely raid the MWC and grab SDSU and UNLV at least. Wonder what Boise State’s thoughts are right now…

  87. iwonderwhytheyhateme August 18, 2010 8:18 am

    Howzit Tsaikos, its been a while.

    To Karl and BYU…ITS ALL OR NOTHING…that is all. =)

  88. roysan16 August 18, 2010 8:23 am

    From the Idaho Statesmen.

    Wow,this is getting interesting.

    11:45 a.m. — Boise State faces a tough choice if BYU decides to abandon the Mountain West Conference, a league it helped found 10 years ago, for independence in football and the WAC in other sports.

    The Broncos, who have longed to get into the MWC, are now in a conference that doesn’t include Utah and BYU – two of the main reasons the MWC was so appealing.

    So now Boise State must decide whether or not to remain in the MWC (with its inferior television distribution package) or swallow its pride and return to the WAC (with its inferior revenue distribution).

    I believe the WAC would allow Boise State to return to the league for this reason: The Broncos are a valuable television property to ESPN, which is surely involved in these negotiations.

    Here are the main questions Boise State must be asking itself right now:

    1. Who else is leaving the Mountain West Conference? Are San Diego State and UNLV also considering jumping to the WAC? What about TCU?

    2. Is it possible to return to the WAC? And what kind of concessions does Boise State have to make?

    3. Is the WAC renegotiating a television contract with ESPN? What does BYU leaving to do the Mountain West’s television deal?

    Read more:

  89. Garret August 18, 2010 8:23 am

    If I crunch the numbers correctly, having the MWC lose Utah, BYU, SDSU, and UNLV, and replacing them with BSU, Houston, and one other team with a decent record (Fresno/Nevada/SMU) would make the MWC an AQ conference in 2012. The reason why the MWC is below the required number for average school rating is because of UNLV and SDSU…if the WAC took both schools and the MWC just added Houston they would be in the top 6 of *all* 3 BCS categories.

    In other words, if the WAC gets its way and takes UNLV and SDSU, the MWC might not mind because it would automatically get AQ status. If they get AQ status, they can poach almost any non-AQ school they want and they don’t have to worry about the buy-out fee.

    I repeat, the WAC would make the MWC a BCS conference if they took UNLV and SDSU away.

  90. rage777 August 18, 2010 8:26 am

    Aaron, re #77 how can you say not to hold a grudge and that was a long time ago, but earlier you said you want anything that weakens the MWC? The grudge is the forming of the MWC and if you want to weaken it, then that is holding a grudge against it.

    Stretch, this is not like JJ, because JJ never wanted to leave (I think). I thought UH didn’t offer him an extension until after the Sugar Bowl and after he got an offer from SMU. I would welcome JJ, Wagner, or Tomey back with open arms.

    A-joe, I like that open arms, closed legs analogy. That was great.

  91. haka August 18, 2010 8:28 am

    Although this seems to be a temporary move until the chit hits the fan with more impending re-alignment, the sudden impact on the MWC may just well improve Hawaii’s chances for a better alignment situation when the dust settles down the road.

  92. Slugger August 18, 2010 8:29 am


    You related to Bubba?

    K, I gotta goooooooo to practice…

    Esme & out…

  93. rage777 August 18, 2010 8:29 am

    Why does the WAC want San Diego State? Isn’t that the school that almost lost its football program? What does bringing San Diego State back do for the WAC? I can understand UNLV because Hawaii wants them back and they can have an in-state rivalry with Nevada, but San Diego State?

  94. haka August 18, 2010 8:31 am

    Garret, it’s great having you to crunch the numbers for us all the time. Mahalo.

  95. haka August 18, 2010 8:37 am

    Did the MWC say no deal to BYU keeping it’s non-football sports in the conference if they went football independent?

  96. haroldwah August 18, 2010 8:38 am

    #44 WassupdDoc-I still haven’t received my Football season tickets either or parking pass. Hoping this is the week. This is cutting a bit to close for my liking

  97. Garret August 18, 2010 8:38 am


    I’m happy to help out the blog. I’m also crunching the numbers for some people that are not on the blog but are important to UH, so I try to keep up with everything.

  98. Na Koa Mike August 18, 2010 8:40 am

    Thank you again to all who made pledges last night. We hope you enjoyed the show.

    The final announced tally was $52,000+, however the actual amount is higher. Not all the pledges were in that last figure because the accounting was lagging behind the calls. What was amazing was the phone kept ringing for nearly a half an hour after the show ended. The final figure will be announced later.

    The decision to do Na Koa Bowl was only made in June. It was an amazing process led by Rick Blangiardi, Mike Biscotti and Linda Brock. There is an incredible amount of work that needs to be done to put on a show like this and it was all done by volunteers. Linda Brock needs to be especially acknowledged. She planned and wrote the script for the entire show and coordinated the Most Memorable Moments research, videos and interviews. There was discussion on having a live audience and/or an auction ongoing at the same time. Ultimately it was decided to just focus on the show itself and do as good a job as possible on it.

  99. Garret August 18, 2010 8:40 am


    Yes, the MWC does not allow schools to be a member if they don’t play football in the conference. The WAC also has the same rule but they appear to have made an exception for BYU.

    I really like a-joe’s idea above, but if everything is a done deal already then that means that the WAC came to their agreement with BYU several days or weeks ago. I’d love to find out what was agreed to…but I don’t really think that highly of Karl Benson’s negotiating ability.

  100. Garret August 18, 2010 8:43 am

    Na Koa Mike,

    The show was great last night. You can probably do a much better job next year and expand it with an auction and other things.

    If there is another show next August, I’m thinking of holding my donation until then (I’m already a member for this year) and donating extra then to help boost the numbers. Maybe donate early and issue a challenge for others to beat it…

  101. RedZone August 18, 2010 8:43 am

    I watched the whole Bowl. Once Kapono came on I was hooked. It exceeded my expectations. It was great seeing all of the old coaches there supporting UH athletics. I don’t know what happened to the hula T guru tho.

    I am with Kekoa. I thought the Bowl was missing the crowd atmosphere but the studio atmosphere did allow it to flow smoothly.

    Liz Chun did a great job. Welcome back Liz.

  102. Last Call August 18, 2010 8:44 am

    That is some interesting stuff from the Idaho reporter ,sounds like BSU is getting nervous.

  103. al August 18, 2010 8:48 am

    for selfish reasons…how about having the old hawaii-byu rivalry rekindled on the gridiron first and foremost? be it this hawaii-byu football game as one of the annual four wac game mandate.

    we also enjoyed other hawaii-byu contests in all of the sports. this is good.

  104. haka August 18, 2010 8:49 am

    Na Koa Mike,

    Mahalo for the show. It was sweet to step back in time. It was even sweeter to acknowledge the athletes and coaches. Much aloha to everyone who helped put it all together. Like Blangiardi, it got me pumped up and I hope the current Warriors feel the love and what it means to the people when you represent the State of Hawaii! Aloha again.

    ok…gotta get some work done 🙂

  105. RedZone August 18, 2010 8:51 am

    Oh yeah I answered Sluggers challenge to all Tsaikos. Hard to be a Tsaiko and not answer that one.

    Na Koa Mike I used the online method to donate. I would suggest a direct link to the donation page rather than having people go to your website then looking for the link to donate. I say keep it simple and fast. You could also list the link with the phone numbers for the many who where watching online as it was evident to this viewer that there were also a lot of mainbland donors.

  106. al August 18, 2010 8:51 am

    what a difference a day makes…

    boise state leaves the wac worries.

    every wac school was sticking their necks out looking to see what else is availabe for them.

    every wac school was thinking…pick me, pick me. including landing in the mwc.

    with byu leaving the mwc for the wac, albeit part time, turned the tables big time.

    it will be interesting to see what the fallout will be.

  107. al August 18, 2010 8:51 am

    didn’t i read somewhere that we were against solidarity?

  108. Justin August 18, 2010 8:55 am

    If BYU does apply to be in the WAC again, it definitely should also include for football.

    From a UH perspective, I can bet the highest selling conference games every season would be against Fresno State, Nevada (if they keep improving), and BYU. This will fill the void with the departure of Boise State.

    From an overall point of view, Boise State leaving certainly put a dent in the strength of the WAC as a conference. BYU does not equal Boise in terms of talent and strength, but it would still keep the conference relevant to the nation.

  109. Justin August 18, 2010 8:56 am

    on another separate note, why is Louisiana Tech in the WAC? It kills travel cost for the school.

  110. RedZone August 18, 2010 8:57 am

    To get Hawaii’s support I think BYU should schedule football games.

  111. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 9:03 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂


    I agree with A-joe and Garret. If the WAC can benefit from BYU’s non-football sports, good. However, given BYU’s history let’s make sure BVU pays well if they decide to use the WAC as a stepping stone.

  112. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 9:05 am

    I go with the all-about-me theory. If I’m UH, what’s in it for me?

    Does UH need UNLV in the WAC? Nope. It already has a series against them.

    Does it need San Diego State? Well, not competitively. But, come on, ever been to San Diego? Great place, and it doesn’t even have real casinos.

    Now BYU as a non-football member is good and bad. Renews rivalries. Improves the RPI. But then — let’s look at the fine print — what about travel partners? Let’s see, Utah State and BYU go together, Fresno State and either Nevada or San Jose State … heeeeey. Where’s my Hawaii partner? BYU gets a non-football vote in the meetings, and Hawaii doesn’t have a travel partner. Hmmm. I’m watching all of you guys …

  113. Garret August 18, 2010 9:06 am


    BYU already scheduled UH for 2012 and 2013. They also have scheduled Utah State. That means that they only need to add 2 more WAC teams for the deal and UH won’t benefit in either 2012 or 2013. BYU probably needs to play the WAC teams to fill out their schedule as an independent.

    The Big 12 might be looking to expand in 2014, so UH might not get any extra football games from the WAC’s deal with BYU.

  114. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 9:07 am

    The thing UH needs to watch is the WAC can always expand eastward, it can’t go in the other direction. Well, not unless the University of Guam gets it going.

  115. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 9:08 am

    All I know is, if I’m Boise State, I’m going with this: “Hey, somebody hacked into our account this summer and applied for the Mountain West. IF you received any membership application, please disregard …”

  116. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 9:09 am

    We live in interesting times…

  117. al August 18, 2010 9:10 am

    dolphin news…

    “Rookies Koa Misi and Jared Odrick have pretty much won starting jobs at strongside linebacker and right end, respectively. Misi, barring a total meltdown, has held off Ikaika Alama-Francis for the starting job.”

  118. koakane™ August 18, 2010 9:14 am

    good day tsaiko’s and tsaikette’s

    first sending best wishes to softball player Kelly Majam. may everything go well.

    reading all the plus and negatives regarding BYU’s move. not sure what conclusion to make but diffidently keep front and foremost warriors/WAC interest.

    I too like ajoes hands and kaholes analogy 😆

  119. (Jesse) James August 18, 2010 9:16 am

    Good morning Tsaikos…Hope everyone has a good day today….

    Not sure how I feel just yet about BYU coming back to the WAC if the stories are true…..I don’t believe any of that has been verified yet….at least I haven’t seen anything…

    I think I am still a little bitter about the way they left the WAC to form the MWC….but my opinion has always been to stick it to them where it hurts…on the field or court. Beat them every time you play and that makes it sooo much sweeter….

  120. chopsueyboy August 18, 2010 9:25 am

    Na Koa Mike

    Great job by everyone!

    Any possibility of an online auction?

    Maybe with items that would have been at the Pigskin Pigout…

    Then we don’t need to wait for the next telethon.

  121. OldDiver August 18, 2010 9:26 am

    Using Garret’s analysis, we don’t go after UNLV and San Diego until after the MWC falls apart. TCU must be on the phone with the Big 12 as we speak. We have to take BYU in other sports, because if they fail at going independent the WAC will be the most logical place for their football team to land. And about Boise State? The penalty for leaving the WAC and trying to come back to the WAC would be to bend down and kiss ST’s toes.

  122. Kekoa (iPhone) August 18, 2010 9:26 am

    A-Joe ~ As far as I’m concerned…BYU can eat Benson’s BVD’s!

    Come 2011 when we play them…I predict a throwback score of Warriors 56…BYWho 13.

  123. tom mui August 18, 2010 9:38 am

    I assume that the WAC has to agree to BYU re-entering in the arena (except for football). Perhaps a clause having the WAC teams – may 2 or so – playing BYU in football for the x-years that they are leaving their other sports in the WAC might be good.

    Better yet, playing Hawaii to fill up the pukas in the schedule.

    Does anyone remember when Idaho was a member of the PAC-10? So the comings and going of teams in and out of various leagues shouldn’t be too much of a surprise.

    Of course I don’t mind if LA Tech leaves the WAC -it’s the distance, not the team. (Of course the trip from the West Coast to Hawaii is almost the same as West Coast to LATech – roughly 500 miles?)

    GARRET: thanks for crunching the figures.

    NaKOA MIKE: Maybe an audience at SSC last night might have been nice.

    Can you spend a few $$ giving a shirt to our Pride and joy and maybe one to Jim Leahey?

    Good morning Hawaii!

  124. expat August 18, 2010 9:40 am

    I am generally ambivalent regarding BYU coming back — but the upside for say, women’s volleyball I think is huge. I think the Wahine have really struggled with the lack of conference competition and BYU brings some solid programs in baseball, basketball, volleyball, and others. The upside to not having them as a football member is that if they are never going to win the conference title and presumably they are not tied into any bowls, but at the same time they are a reliable strong “non-conference opponent” (if they are agreeing to a certain number of games). They keep their rivalry games with Utah presumably which is an advantage to them.

    I don’t believe myself that BYU is a model for integrity so I don’t have any illusions as to what the end-game is. So what though? If there are benefits in the short term then good for the WAC. It could be that Benson has pulled off a major coup here.

  125. Pomai August 18, 2010 9:41 am

    Really after it is all said and done, just having a series of home and home with BYwho should be a winner, it would be nice if JD told Benson one condition of this happenning would be to have a home and home with them for the next 10 years.

  126. cheepono August 18, 2010 9:49 am

    RGM got waived today. 🙁

  127. RedZone August 18, 2010 9:54 am

    RGM should go to Oakland.

  128. greenthumb August 18, 2010 9:55 am

    Good morning. Weird day in the world of sports, with BYU news and the idea that Boise may come shuffling back.

    Reflecting on rivalries, it always struck me that we saw BYU as a football rival much more than it saw us as one. So while the whole MWC defection hurt our football schedules, where I as a fan felt it more was basketball. Interesting also that the “detante” or whatever between some of those schools and us started on the basketball court.

    As others are stating, let’s hope that Mr. Benson has learned from past situations to negotiate some kind of fee if BYU’s stay in the WAC is short term.

  129. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 9:58 am

    Go, RGM!

  130. chopsueyboy August 18, 2010 9:59 am

    Good Luck RGM! You deserve another shot.

  131. SteveM August 18, 2010 10:03 am

    Good morning everyone!

    BYU in the WAC but no football? * yawn *

  132. Garret August 18, 2010 10:08 am

    Two interesting things in this article from the Salt Lake Tribune. First, the WAC schools apparently signed the loyalty pledge *last week*.

    the remaining WAC schools last week signed a five-year agreement that requires a $5 million buyout for any school seeking to leave the WAC during that span.

  133. Garret August 18, 2010 10:09 am

    For those thinking that BSU is in trouble now…I see a LOT of gloating about BSU’s situation on different forums…However, it appears that BSU has an out clause to return to the WAC with *no* penalty.

    Potentially more troubling for the Mountain West: a change-of-mind by Boise State that could return the Broncos to the WAC. The WAC office source confirmed that scenario as a possibility. Boise State would face no penalty if it did wish to return, the source said.

  134. Garret August 18, 2010 10:10 am

    Interesting tidbit. Would BYU even join the WAC at all? They could be in the MWC in 2010 and the Big 12 in 2011…

    From everything I’m hearing, this is a temporary move. BYU has grown very cozy with Texas over the past few years and is poised to make a move to the Big12 as soon as some of the dust settles. The BYU/Texas game scheduled for ’11 is much more than just a single game, as was the BYU/OU game last year. Leaving the MWC prior to Sept. 1, 2010 allows for BYU to join the Big12 in 2011 without breaching any contracts.

  135. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 10:17 am

    Been enjoying Paul Honda’s prep write-ups the last couple of weeks.

    Iolani vs. Mililani on OC 16 on Friday night kicks off another season of great prep broadcasts.

    Aaaaah football! 🙂

  136. SteveM August 18, 2010 10:18 am

    Al is on Maui today and probably tomorrow too, so I get to rise from the depth chart…

    CATTLE CALL TOMORROW – Camellia at noon

    We have an opportunity to meet G (China) for the first time. He has been a blogger here since our first Cattle Call in March 2007 and wants to meet the people behind the blog names. He is departing Friday.

    Please RSVP here if you can attend (for approx. count).

  137. 702WarriorFan August 18, 2010 10:21 am

    Boise back to WAC,

    Hmmmmm, how about blue carpet changed to GREEN as part of re-entry?

    Any other suggestions?

  138. Steve August 18, 2010 10:21 am

    Good Morning, all of you. One thing nobody has mentioned so far would be the exposure for all the other UH sports, excluding football. Reason for the additional exposure, BYU has it’s own Cable Channel, which televises their sporting events, ie. Basketball (men and women), Women’s Volleyball, Baseball, and Softball. It would be a winning situation for UH both financially, and with expanded exposure.

  139. ai-eee-soos August 18, 2010 10:28 am

    change of pace – if this hasn’t been posted yet …

    fron S-A sports

    ” … Arnold’s entire recruiting class enrolled at UH

    By Brian McInnis

    POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Aug 18, 2010

    Arnold’s Army has landed on Hawaii’s shores free of academic casualties.

    Hawaii men’s basketball coach Gib Arnold confirmed that all nine newcomers were admitted and enrolled at Manoa for the start of the fall semester on Monday.

    Arnold wants to begin workouts that day if everyone can get cleared physically and, in a couple of cases, by the NCAA. He said he doesn’t foresee any problems there.

    “It’s phenomenal news. Everybody’s good,” Arnold said. “There’s getting admitted, and there’s getting your paperwork in with the NCAA, and there’s still some work to do with a little bit of that. But we’re on top of all that. Everybody goes through it.”

    However, Arnold said sophomore forward Dominick Brumfield fractured his kneecap about a month ago and will need some recovery time before he is up to speed. Brumfield, a transfer from Big Bend Community College (Wash.), has three years to play three seasons.

    “My therapist told me I’m on the road to be 100 percent before the season,” Brumfield wrote in a text message.

    Brumfield, sophomore forward Josten Thomas (College of Southern Idaho) and sophomore center Vander Joaquim (College of Eastern Utah) each had summer coursework to complete to get their associate’s degrees early and become eligible by the fall.

    “It was more if they could do it in time, the JC kids who had to finish and qualify in three semesters,” Arnold said. “Some off that stuff went down to the wire, but I think academically we brought in a pretty good crew. Those guys were trying to graduate early, and that’s always tough.”

    Junior point guard Anthony Salter (Iowa Western Community College) and high school graduates Jordan Coleman, Trevor Wiseman, Bobby Miles and Bo Barnes are the others available this season.

    Pi’i Minns to get a chance

    Pi’i Minns (Kamehameha ’09) will take his best shot at walking on.

    The 6-foot-3 guard played in four games at Chaminade last year before tearing his labrum. He recently put in his transfer to UH and is officially enrolled.

    After talking with Arnold, Minns felt confident he’d be able to play.

    “When I was speaking with him today, we really didn’t talk about that (trying out),” Minns said. “It was like I was joining them, I guess. Whether I have to try out, that’s not going to be an issue. I’m just going to go at it with everything.”

    Minns said he got his first-year eligibility back through a medical hardship, and will have a full four years to play after transferring (he must redshirt this season).

    The 2009 state player of the year got a recommendation to Arnold from his workout partner, former Washington State and ‘Iolani standout Derrick Low.

    Twilight Ohana in limbo

    The madness in Hawaii might be deferred, or might not happen at all.

    The national date that men’s and women’s basketball teams can start official practices is Oct. 15.

    Arnold has said he wants to host some kind of Twilight Ohana event for the public, but the Rainbow Wahine game against San Jose State will be played that night at the Stan Sheriff Center.

    “I don’t know if we’re going to be able to do it,” Arnold said. “We’ll see if we can work around it and figure out what we’re gonna do.”

  140. Last Call:

    August 18th, 2010 at 5:05 am

    Call me if the BYU news becomes a reality. Right now I’m just getting up to speed on the last conference shuffle.

    According to the Las Gruces Sun yesterday the Aggie athletic dept wants to siphon 4.1 million dollars a year from the academic fund to save Aggie athletics . It has cause quite an uproar with professors who told the athletic dept to leave the WAC and drop to a lower level in football.

    Why does this sound familiar??? 🙄

  141. I would enjoy another Midnight Madness/Twilight Ohana event soon.

    At least Coach Gib hasn’t completely ruled it out.

  142. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 10:34 am

    Stephen, long time reader first time poster, thank you for all your hard work in keeping all of us across the ocean connected with our hometown team. Really appreciate it.

    My question is whether it really makes sense to begrudge an institution (BYU) for what it did 10 years ago. Administrations and decisionmakers change, so is it really fair to hold what BYU’s administration did a decade ago against those that happen to be in its seats of power today? It’s the same reason why many people think it seems unfair to harshly punish today’s USC kids for what Carroll and Bush did.

    Unrelatedly, really looking forward to the SC game. Me and a few friends are flying in from the mainland and will be there gameday to cheer on our Warriors!

  143. tom mui August 18, 2010 10:38 am

    STEVEM: re 138 – tentative yes -wife has cataract surgery tomorrow at 5:30AM so I may be sleep-deprived.

    You mean AL is on Maui – how are we going to explore that hamburger joint Nadine Kam wrote about today?

  144. Stephen Tsai:

    August 18th, 2010 at 9:05 am

    I go with the all-about-me theory. If I’m UH, what’s in it for me?

    Does UH need UNLV in the WAC? Nope. It already has a series against them.

    I dunno… Maybe UH doesn’t “need” UNLV in the WAC, but outside of football there are other opportunities.

    UNLV has a pretty good basketball program and of course they do field the other same sports UH currently does.

    Not a necessity, but I think they are definitely a “plus”.

  145. rage777 August 18, 2010 10:42 am

    Warrior Expat,

    So what you are saying is that it’s okay for a school to break the rules (in USC’s case) as long as you fire the people that get caught? Or forgive a school as long as the people that made the change is not in charge anymore? If so, then can we get back our men’s volleyball title because HF is no longer here, and you don’t want to punish the other player’s that played on that team. Of course, that title shouldn’t have been taken away in the first place.

  146. GRM August 18, 2010 10:42 am

    Kelly Majam – Your belief in the Almighty will get you through this. We’re ALL prayng for your complete recovery. Please take care and GOOD LUCK!!

  147. Garret August 18, 2010 10:44 am

    By the way, the numbers seem to indicate that an 8-team MWC would be in the top 6 in all 3 categories and receive AQ status. In other words, if the MWC lost Utah, BYU, UNLV, and SDSU and replaced them with BSU, Houston, and one other school (I just saw a report that Houston and UTEP are being targeted) they would be in the top 6 in all 3 categories.

    This assumes that either BSU or TCU is ranked in the top 10 at least 1 of the next 2 years…I think that is a safe assumption. So, if UNLV and SDSU leave the MWC for the WAC next year that might not be in the WAC’s best interest.

    The *only* reason why the MWC wasn’t getting an automatic BCS spot is that they had 1 to many bottom feeders. If the WAC takes both UNLV and SDSU, they easily pass the BCS bar as long as they have TCU and BSU.

    By the way, if BSU comes back to the WAC, there is no way that the numbers can be worked out for the MWC to get AQ status.


    Mailed out last Thursday and Friday from mainland printing company.

  149. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 10:48 am

    Welcome, Warrior Expat! Be sure to come hang with us at the T-Gate before and after the game!

  150. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 10:49 am

    Rage777 (post 147): Definitely not OK for a school to break the rules like USC did. I understand that punishing the school (and as a result, punishing its current players) is a necessary evil since there’s really no other way to enforce NCAA rules and to deter other programs from doing that in the future. I agree that SC should have received sanctions, but at the same time, I do feel bad for the student-athletes who had nothing to do with those wrongs but are being punished for them (while Carroll is having fun in Seattle and Bush continues to make his millions).

    But I think programmatic punishment to enforce NCAA rules is different from holding personal grudges. While the NCAA sanctions necessarily have to be imposed on the school (since there’s no one else it can punish), personal grudges against what BYU did 10 years ago seems a bit silly to me if the people who made the decision to participate in that secret airport meeting are long gone and the people guiding the program now had nothing to do with it.

    I’m certainly not disagreeing that we can be upset about what happened (I think we rightfully should be), I just wonder if directing our frustration at the people who actually made that happen makes more sense than directing it at the school as a whole.

  151. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 10:50 am

    That said, I wouldn’t mind us getting back our VBall title 😉

  152. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 10:50 am

    Thanks, Liz! Where can we find you guys? What time do you folks usually get there?

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  154. SteveM August 18, 2010 10:52 am

    Warrior Expat — please tell us what City/State you reside in. I would like to add you to the Tsai-ko mainland/international listing. Might help you find others near you.

  155. Derek August 18, 2010 10:54 am

    Anytime we can play BYU and beat them in any sport is very, very good. To me, the Hawaii-BYU games are always #1 because of Hawaii ties w/ the Mormon church. It’s more of interest than UH vs Fresno St. When UH plays BYU it is “big”. Some of our greatest wins are against BYU and lately Hawaii has been very well. Last I saw, wasn’t it UH 72,BYU 45. Exciting to say the least. It will be good to be playing BYU in basketball on a regular basis.

    Arnold has got to get us more competitive. I see TCU going to the Big 12, maybe even Boise State. In any event, I think the Mountain West will be doomed. I don’t feel sorry for

    MWC commissioner Craig Thompson. I feel like he was the one who got the six WAC schools

    to leave for the MWC. With Utah lleaving for the PAC 10 and now BYU going along in football, the MWC is now looking pretty vulnerable.

  156. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 10:57 am

    SteveM — LA, Cali. Gotta make sure no SC fans are watching over my shoulder while I type 😉

  157. Warrior Expat,

    If get, jus moon ’em! 😆

  158. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 11:03 am

    BYU in all sports except football? Strange, but I mentioned that UH should go in the similar direction that BYU is headed. I thought we should go independent in football and join the conference with Gonzaga (WCC? I can’t seem to remember which conference and too lazy to look it up.), etc. in other sports. BYU is lucking out by scheduling the WAC for 4 football games a year, other wise they would be in the same boat as UH if we tried go independent. It would be hard for BYU to complete a football schedule without that 4 game football agreement with the WAC. Still hope for UH? Maybe we could have a same type of agreement with the WAC that BYU is seeking. Wouldn’t it be cheaper for travel with a West Coast Conference than being in the WAC. The basketball, baseball, soccer and other “minor” sports are very competitive. I think the WAC schedule in women’s sports, especially volleyball, is bringing down UH. True, with BYU joining the WAC in non football sports will “uplift” the WAC’s RIP, but understandbly, it would be only temporary. Maybe UH could do a deal with the WAC like Sacramento State (baseball only) has with the WAC and either go independent in football, of stay in the WAC only for football.

  159. $5,000,000.00 penalty for leaving the WAC?

    Sounds like a cosmetic agreement if anything.

    Let’s talk $15,000,000.00 + and then we can really discuss “solidarity”.

  160. OldDiver August 18, 2010 11:10 am

    So if I get this right, this could be good for UH, or this could be bad for UH, or this could have no effect on UH. I’m grabbing a beer till this plays out. Thanks for keeping us informed Garret.

  161. Committed Road Warrior August 18, 2010 11:17 am

    And amidst all this talk about BYU leaving the MWC, this song somehow comes to mind…

    If you leave me now, you’ll take away the biggest part of me

    Uh uh uh uh no baby please don’t go

    And if you leave me now, you’ll take away the very heart of me

    Uh uh uh uh no baby please don’t go

    Uh uh uh uh girl I just want you to stay

    A love like ours is love that’s hard to find

    How could we let it slip away

    We’ve come too far to leave it all behind

    How could we end it all this way

    When tomorrow comes and we’ll both regret

    The things we said today

  162. Garret August 18, 2010 11:18 am

    The Fresno State board has a report (by someone who appears to be credible from past posts) that Fresno State and Nevada received *official* invitations to the MWC today.

  163. Garret August 18, 2010 11:19 am

    I also just read that ESPN’s Andy Katz is reporting that the MWC’s Commissioner is trying to keep BYU by offering them terms like what Texas gets from the Big 12.

  164. Garret August 18, 2010 11:21 am


    Things are happening very quickly right now, but the good news is that everything has to be decided in less than 2 weeks. For selfish reasons, I hope that things get wrapped up this week because I’ll be in the Bay Area all next week and I won’t be online.

  165. Garret August 18, 2010 11:25 am

    It looks like the MWC’s BCS ratings went slightly up when they swapped Utah and BSU.

    It looks like the Houston and BYU have similar BCS ratings.

    So, if Houston is added and BYU leaves, the MWC is in basically the same situation regarding the BCS. If SDSU and UNLV leaves, they can add 1 team at their level or higher (it is hard to go lower than their BCS ratings!) and get a huge boost.

  166. Garret August 18, 2010 11:28 am

    Nebraska hasn’t just closed their practices to the media, they are even banning former players and the families of the players!

    Though the team will have five practices between now and Saturday, Husker head coach Bo Pelini has banned media access to coaches and players until then.

    All guests, including former players and players’ families, are also closed off from watching practices for an indefinite period of time.

  167. Garret August 18, 2010 11:28 am

    Sorry for all the posts, I’ve got to get back to work now.

  168. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 11:31 am

    Why sorry? Thanks Garret!

  169. Aaron August 18, 2010 11:33 am


    if SDSU and UNLV leaving helps the MWC, then whatever. they make so much geographic sense for the WAC that it would be ridiculous for the WAC not to want to add them. The basketball RPI would become instantly respectable as well. BYU, Utah State, NMSU, SDSU, UNLV, Nevada – that’s a strong basketball lineup right there. Tell me we couldn’t get 3 tourney bids with that lineup?

    and even if the numbers did add up, i’m sure the BCS will find some way to keep the MWC out.

  170. The title of today’s blog is “Seriously?” and it’s fitting for what I have to say next.

    Jason Kaneshiro and Dave Reardon put out their pieces on Kelly Majam’s recovery and in no time the trash of the internet surfaces and people are just dumping and making a mockery of her religious beliefs in the comments section. (Don’t read it, it will just tick you off!)

    Freedom of speech is fine, but in this case they’re nothing but class-less jerks that can’t identify or appreciate an inspiring story when they read it because they are too full of their own arrogance to respect someone’s opinion on religion during a time when it has clearly aided her along with her doctors.

    The human race, at times, never ceases to disappoint me.

    That is all.


  172. Garret August 18, 2010 11:50 am

    The MWC has made it official that Fresno State and Nevada have invitations to their conference. Normally, conferences only give formal invitations when they know they will be accepted…

    The Mountain West Conference has extended an offer of membership to California State University, Fresno and the University of Nevada, Reno.

  173. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 11:52 am

    This is a little off-topic, but I just learned that the seats I got for the game through the UH ticket office are in the visitors’ section of the stadium (section M). Are the SC fans going to mob us? =p

  174. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 11:52 am

    Actually, my post was completely off topic, so I apologize for that.

  175. GRM August 18, 2010 11:54 am

    Kazz, Those ‘dummies’ are just S Pukas!

  176. Hilo Moon August 18, 2010 11:55 am

    Kelly Majam —

    Thank you for being in our lives. Your maturity and your faith is truly inspiring. You are a Warrior to the max. Go, Wahine!

  177. madeinhawaii August 18, 2010 12:03 pm

    Won’t this simply help BYU with their recruiting efforts in Hawaii? I think the WAC should look in other directions first… blaze forward… not take a blast from the past… that’s only half full.

  178. OldDiver August 18, 2010 12:22 pm

    Damn, I haven’t even finished my first beer and more news about conference realignment. Have fun in the Bay Area Garret, one of my favorite places. I will be in San Diego in October, which is a real boring place. Nah. Just kidding.

  179. d1島 August 18, 2010 12:22 pm


    Also in USA Today

    In reaction to the news that Brigham Young was leaving its conference, the Mountain West has moved quickly to invite Nevada and Fresno State.

    If both schools accept, the Mountain West would grow to 10 teams. It currently fields nine teams, however Utah and BYU are leaving. Boise State has already announced plans to join in 2011.

  180. d1島 August 18, 2010 12:23 pm

    …in the “what about me?” part

    It also would reduce the WAC to six schools in football – Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State and Utah State. Eight schools are required to be considered a football conference.

  181. al August 18, 2010 12:24 pm

    here today

    gone tomaui (tomw).


  182. OldDiver August 18, 2010 12:25 pm

    And by the way, Garret you will need to post things from your smart phone while you are in the Bay Area. It is your sworn duty to do so. Nah, Just kidding again.

  183. d1島 August 18, 2010 12:26 pm


    You are probably right about the pre-determined decision.

    Reno’s Pres already gave a statement.

    “We are honored to have received the invitation to join the Mountain West Conference. We are seriously considering the invitation, and do so with the best interests of our athletics program, University, community and Wolf Pack fans as our priority.”

  184. al August 18, 2010 12:28 pm

    byu throws out a pipe dream.

    the mwc hits the panic button after swearing no more expansion after bsu came in.

    paybacks a bit*h, mwc offers to steal away nevada/fresno st.

    this would ruin the wac if they can’t find a replacement.

    byu would then probably stay put or join a lesser conference for other sports.

    what now my love?

  185. al August 18, 2010 12:28 pm

    on a serious note…new burger joint needs to be explored soon.

  186. al August 18, 2010 12:29 pm

    should we be hearing from benson and crew?

  187. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 12:31 pm

    So if Fresno and Nevada accept the MWC invitation, do they have to pay the 5 million buy out fee they supposedly signed it last week? With Fresno’s losing money in athletics and the school, I think they would need some strategic planning to accept. If they do need to pay it, finally, score one for Benson.

  188. al August 18, 2010 12:31 pm

    i am sure somewhere some schools are lamenting the current and/or impending losses of their conference.

    what to do?

    can’t we all get along?

    guess not.

  189. d1島 August 18, 2010 12:35 pm


    Benson? 😆

    Check the Personnel Office at B$-You….

  190. d1島 August 18, 2010 12:38 pm


    sounds like people have been talking.

    From Fresneck Pres:

    “Fresno State is honored to have received the invitation to join the Mountain West Conference. We are seriously considering the invitation, and do so with the best interests of our Athletics program, our university, our community and Bulldog fans as our top priorities.”

  191. Pomai August 18, 2010 12:42 pm

    #172 Kazz – But it is also good to see the number of comments jumping on the couple who did that, but the to post a comment as they did is just classless.

  192. NCAA August 18, 2010 12:43 pm

    Mr. Warrior Expat,

    Not to worry, the visiting fans sit mostly in the makai side of the north end zone. You’ll be sitting with season ticket holders.

  193. OldDiver August 18, 2010 12:43 pm

    UH would clearly leave the WAC for the MWC without hesitation. Have to believe Nevada and Fresno are gone. The day started off great with a feel good story about Majam, but now it appears the hinges are coming off the doors.

  194. Aaron August 18, 2010 12:51 pm

    geeze, if Nevada and Fresno both leave, the WAC will have $10 million dollars and nothing to spend it on. if you divide that 6 ways, at least UHAD will finish in the black for once :p

  195. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 12:53 pm

    (194) Thanks, NCAA! Glad to know we’ll be in friendly territory.

  196. Aaron August 18, 2010 12:55 pm

    “Sources confirm that UNLV and San Diego State are likely to join the WAC if BYU does. ”

  197. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 1:01 pm

    Some how I don’t have a good feeling about is transpiring with the conference shakeups. What would happen if the WAC turns down BYU? Will the MWC still invite Fresno and Nevada? Will BYU go elsewhere? What if 1 of the WAC teams turns down the MWC or is it a package deal, 2 or nothing? Will the MWC invite Houston or UH should 1 WAC team turn down the MWC? What will happen to the WAC if they only have 6 teams? I know they will not be recognized as a conference by the NCAA. Was it Utah State or Idaho asked to reduce their budget by 4.1 million or drop or go to a lowwer classification? Maybe they would like the WAC folding so they have to downsize.

  198. Na Koa Mike August 18, 2010 1:01 pm

    The final tally was $63,000!!!

    Thank you Warrior fans!!!

  199. Aaron August 18, 2010 1:07 pm

    there are so many rumors out there right now:

    nevada and fresno leaving.

    fresno leaving, but not nevada.

    sdsu and unlv joining byu in the wac.

    latech & utep switching conferences.

    bsu coming back to the wac if byu leaves.

    bsu not interested in coming back to the wac.

    so exciting, but not in a good way.

  200. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 1:08 pm

    Ok, so what happens if we do lose Fresno State and Nevada, and don’t end up with San Diego State and UNLV? What if we don’t have eight teams to be recognized as a conference? What happens then? Can Congress get involved, deem the current situation as unconstitutional due to discrimination, and create their own nationwide realignment plan?

    I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking… so no get all da kine on me, ‘kay?!

  201. Chee Hoo August 18, 2010 1:08 pm

    Fresno Bee is reporting that Fresno State will announce tonight that the Bulldogs are leaving the WAC and will accept the MWC invitation.

    Chit is about to hit the fan!

  202. Derek August 18, 2010 1:08 pm

    Looks like it’s a power struggle between the WAC and MWC. Both conferences are trying to survive. Can Nevada and Fresno St. afford to fork up the $5 million to buy out their way out of the WAC? Can the WAC solidarity keep them together? When is TCU going to the Big 12? When is La. Tech going to figure it out that the WAC doesn’t fit for them and when will they move to Conference USA? The landscape has changed? Utah is going to the PAC 10. BYU might go alone in football! What is Karl Benson’s next move? What does Jim Donovan say to all this? Is Donavan waiting from MWC for an invite? Can Hawaii go independent too in football?

    Stay tuned! As the world turns!!!!!

  203. duffer aka Ace (iPhone) August 18, 2010 1:12 pm

    I wonder why when I access the Kaleo O Kalihi blog, it’s not blocked by Websense, but ST’s blog is. In fact every blog on the menu is accessible but the Warrior Beat. No make sense.

  204. greenthumb August 18, 2010 1:13 pm

    This new round of conference news reminds me of a classic line from the Wizard of Oz: “My, people come and go so quickly here!” Where’s Benson and the bucket of water … or at least some kind of comment?

  205. Aaron August 18, 2010 1:18 pm

    duffer, because whoever in your IT dpet manages your websense whitelist must read kaleo o kalihi.

  206. kama krab August 18, 2010 1:18 pm

    All I can say is WOW.

  207. I tell ya.. that monetary figure of 5 million for leaving the WAC was a clear indication that it wasn’t a serious “commitment”.

  208. Garret August 18, 2010 1:22 pm

    The invitation on MWC’s website was apparently the sign that this was a done deal. It looks like the MWC has outflanked the WAC by taking Fresno and probably Nevada.

    4:13 p.m.: WAC commissioner Karl Benson declined comment regarding Fresno State leaving the conference for the Mountain West.

    3:56 p.m.: Fresno State will announce this evening that it has accepted an invitation to join the Mountain West Conference, sources with knowledge of the situation told The Bee this afternoon.

  209. Garret August 18, 2010 1:25 pm

    The timing indicates that the $5 million loyalty pledge for the WAC was because they wanted to convince BYU to join the WAC for the non-football sports. If BYU ends up staying in the MWC, does the $5 million pledge no longer apply?

    Trading Fresno State and Nevada’s decent BCS numbers (only they and Houston would be at the average needed for the MWC among non-AQ schools the MWC could add) for SDSU’s and UNLV’s horrible numbers would put the MWC far above the number needed to become a BCS AQ conference.

  210. Garret August 18, 2010 1:26 pm

    By the way, Houston had better numbers and a bigger market than Nevada. Maybe the MWC invited Nevada to damage the WAC to the point that BYU would stay in the MWC?

    Do Fresno and Nevada have to pay the penalty if the WAC ends up not having enough teams to be a football conference?

  211. Aaron August 18, 2010 1:29 pm


    I think this has nothing to do with BCS numbers at this point. it’s about keeping BYU and BYU wanting to make more money.

  212. Garret August 18, 2010 1:31 pm


    I was just commenting on the Fresno/Nevada for SDSU/UNLV swap. That affects the MWC and WAC in ways that have nothing to do with BYU.

  213. Can someone mandate that Karl Benson be placed on suicide watch?

    Then when they are done, come find me.

  214. jojo ® August 18, 2010 1:34 pm

    Wow, who needs to watch Jersey Shore when there’s the WAC show on?

  215. Aaron August 18, 2010 1:34 pm

    i’m just pointing out that the AQ points don’t seem to be the motivating factor. for sure there are some major implications… but the fact that the MWC isn’t even talking to any CUSA teams is implication that everything is a power play to keep BYU from leaving. BYU must be feeling pretty wanted today.

  216. A-House August 18, 2010 1:36 pm

    Boy oh boy is the shit hitting the fan in so many places!!!

    Why would Fresno and Reno now accept the invite if only last week or so it turned down the same? Can they afford to pay the $5 million exit fee? Is exit fee to be lump sum payment or did Benson leave a loop hole where teams can do an installment payment plan?

    If true, what are the specifics of the $5 million exit fee? Also, if theWAC is stupid enough not to make entry or re-entry fees, then fire Benson’s ass!!!!!!! or, dump all the team reps who agreed to this mess!!!

  217. A-House August 18, 2010 1:36 pm

    And for all those bashing Kelly Majam, stick it in your ear!!!!!!!!!

  218. Garret August 18, 2010 1:38 pm

    So, ESPN says that BYU insisted on the $5 million buyout for the WAC.

    The schools made the buyout move to keep other members from following the Broncos to the Mountain West. According to sources close to the situation, BYU wanted the buyout agreement reached to ensure the WAC would remain if the Cougars returned to the league in all sports but football.

  219. OldDiver August 18, 2010 1:38 pm

    Can someone explain to me why San Diego State and UNLV would want to join the WAC?

  220. Garret August 18, 2010 1:38 pm

    The WCC seems to be ready to take BYU if the WAC disintegrates.

    WCC commissioner Jamie Zaninovich told early Wednesday the league would be interested in pursuing BYU for all sports except football. Zaninovich said BYU would fit well with the other church-based institutions in the eight-team league.

  221. Garret August 18, 2010 1:39 pm


    I agree that it is important that the MWC is only going after WAC teams and not Houston.

  222. Garret August 18, 2010 1:41 pm

    VERY interesting tidbit…Nevada did *not* sign the WAC’s buyout clause contract.

    Contrary to national news reports, Nevada did not sign the WAC’s $5 million buyout clause that would have made it prohibitive to consider a move to the Mountain West Conference, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation have told the RGJ.

  223. Mark August 18, 2010 1:42 pm

    The Reno Gazette Journal is citing “unnamed sources” stating that UNR never signed any $5 million exit agreement . . .

  224. Aaron August 18, 2010 1:43 pm


    Probably because if BYU leaves and Fresno and Nevada stay in the WAC, the MWC becomes instantly less-viable for them. geographically, they are a better fit in the WAC and both schools would regain in-state rivals. perhaps they see the MWC as a sinking ship if BYU leaves as well. either way, a lot is hinging on what Nevada does right now.

  225. Aaron August 18, 2010 1:44 pm

    do you guys believe that nevada didn’t sign the clause? if they really didn’t, then why didn’t they leave when the MWC offered them yesterday?

  226. Damn WCC!!! Stay out of this!!!!

  227. Stretch August 18, 2010 1:49 pm

    Kazz (click for UH softball booster site):

    August 18th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Can someone mandate that Karl Benson be placed on suicide watch?

    yeah, can someone please keep an eye on him so nobody interferes??

  228. kama krab August 18, 2010 1:51 pm

    Did someone say that s**t is going to hit the wall. Well it looks like the pile of s**t hitting the wall is the UHAD.

  229. OldDiver August 18, 2010 1:53 pm

    I don’t see how a contract can be enforced on any of the WAC schools if one member school did not sigh it. I have to believe it is binding only if all sighed. If not then maybe Benson needs to be fired.

  230. kama krab August 18, 2010 1:53 pm

    No need put Benson on suicide watch cause he not going be killing himself, somebody else going kill him. 🙂

  231. OldDiver August 18, 2010 1:54 pm


  232. Aaron August 18, 2010 1:59 pm

    The Fresno Bee is confirming a lot of things:

    their journalistic credibility (if they have any) is on the line…

  233. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 2:00 pm

    (231) Old Diver, if in the schools’ membership agreements with the conference they agreed to be bound by rules adopted by the conference (even if they themselves did not vote for/sign onto the rule), it could bind Fresno and Nevada.

  234. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 2:02 pm

    LOL @ #229!

    Yep, hard to tell if the sky is fallin’ or the world is blowin’ up!

  235. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 2:03 pm

    Kelly Majam rocks!

    Nameless internet cowards don’t!

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

  236. bb August 18, 2010 2:03 pm

    season tickets received.

  237. Kazz August 18, 2010 2:05 pm

    Damn… I woke this morning not feeling exactly like P. Diddy.

    I should have known this was a sign.

  238. Buffoman August 18, 2010 2:11 pm

    Well, maybe we should look at joining the WCC for other sports and take football independent. Then we should encourage BYU to do the same. Let’s hold hands with BYU on this one.

  239. haka August 18, 2010 2:14 pm

    ESPN ticker tape reporting Fresno & Nevada are gone and will pay the $5 mil exit fee.

  240. ballpicker August 18, 2010 2:19 pm

    What kind of statement is that, ‘should be interesting’. What is, is f……up thats what it is. What next? These president’s and athletic director’s are just to full of themselves. Sorry blog host but this kind of stuff just riles me up and has been building up since I started reading the blog early this morning with all the conjecture and scenerios and such, when in reality the only “people” that know what truly is going on with the damn situation are those that I mentioned above. AAAHHHH….

  241. Blue Powder August 18, 2010 2:20 pm

    Seems like Fresno and Nevada are going to pay $5 mil to enter a conference that will eventually be a slightly different version of the current WAC. My thinking is that eventually, BYU will make a play to leave the MWC and so will TCU (to the Big 12?). When this happens the MWC may invite UH to join the MWC, which UH would surely accept. So in the end I bet it ends up being a MWC made up of the current top of the WAC (BSU, FSU, Nevada, UH) and the bottom half of the current MWC (Colorado St., Wyoming, SDSU, UNLV, etc.). The money UH gets from the FSU/Nevada exit fee should be saved by UH because it may be needed to join the MWC at a later date.

  242. Slugger August 18, 2010 2:22 pm

    Na Koa Mike,

    Good news on the $63K raised last night.


    People who bash others get what they deserve in the workings of the universe. We just need to support na wahine.

    Good time watching practice this morning. They gave Kyle Niiro some work today. Got to say Hey to Coach B. Smith who I spoke with last night during the Na Koa Bowl.

  243. Stretch August 18, 2010 2:24 pm

    ballpicker – what did you mention above, unless you forgot to change your name back to whatever name you used before??

  244. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 2:25 pm

    What we hear is the WAC teams reached an agreement to have a $5 million exit clause. Again, not sure if it was signed. If it wasn’t signed, then it’s goodbye Nevada, I presume.

    Never sure about Fresno.

    If nobody panics and the WAC stays put, then it should be OK.

    If people are yelling “fire” in a crowded theater, it will get ugly for the WAC.

    Personally, if I were the MWC, I would try to poach teams that can bring more to the table than Fresno and Nevada. The Fresno Bee didn’t even send writers to the WAC Media Preview the past two years. Why not go after a Conference USA team?

    Or If I’m UH, I’d get on the phone and say: Hey, if Fresno and Nevada don’t want in, can we come?

  245. Last Call August 18, 2010 2:27 pm

    This is just a sad day for me . The WAC is falling apart . It seems like we have no leadership at the top, not even a peep from anyone at UH . It’s like losing family.

  246. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc August 18, 2010 2:28 pm

    Still haven’t gotten either our football or our volleyball tix and the opening match is just eight days away.

  247. OldDiver August 18, 2010 2:29 pm


    I like your scenario, but to beat a dead horse, like Garret has been saying for a while, “We Need To Win Now”.

  248. ballpicker August 18, 2010 2:30 pm

    Ah Stretch, just a little ticked and a po’d Warrior fan. No Im now else that used to be on this blog by any other name.

  249. Blue Powder August 18, 2010 2:31 pm

    Kelly Majam, you are awesome. You are an inspiration and a great role model. I hope my daughter turns out like you!!

  250. ballpicker August 18, 2010 2:32 pm

    I meant is Im not whoever u think I am. Ive only posted under BALLPICKER.

  251. kama krab August 18, 2010 2:33 pm

    Well if s**t hits the wall as it seems will happen by tomorrow then it doesn’t matter whether we win or lose, in 2011 there will no longer be a WAC unless a miracle happens. If nothing happens tomorrow then yes, we nee to win big and win now. No question about that. We will see what happens when we wake up tomorrow.

  252. haka August 18, 2010 2:34 pm


































































    BEAT USC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  253. Blue Powder August 18, 2010 2:35 pm


    Agreed. It is critical that UH win NOW. Winning makes UH so much more attractive. I really hope Mack turns this team into a consistent winner. It would be awesome if Gib could pull a miraculous turnaround also.

  254. Kazz August 18, 2010 2:40 pm

    Yes. I’ve seen “ballpicker” post before.

  255. mctruck August 18, 2010 2:40 pm

    I think if the WAC cannot get UNLV and SDU along w/BYU…then maybe it’s time for UH to go independent in fb and join another conference in all other sports as mentioned ealrlier on this blog.

  256. Not an Expert August 18, 2010 2:40 pm

    BYU going independent makes a lot of sense for them in football. Having the WAC for their teams in other sports gives them and the WAC a better structure competition wise, money wise and allow more teams to qualify for post season play. Freson & Nevada being invited to the WAC is a way for the MWC to stop BYU going through with their plans and save their league.

    Benson pull out all the stops now and get BYU in first. Convince Fresno and Nevade to stay put and delay any decision for now. Make them realize the opportunities to have this lst step with BYU to consumate. Look at the options after that is done. If the MWC is giving them a time ultimatum due to a defection by BYU, is that the type of league and people you want to do business with? Don’t jump at the MWC offers at this time and make Fresno & Nevada realize how their other sports will be enhanced with BYU.

    Benson get on the phone with UNLV and the movers and shakers in Vegas. After that look at the interest of San Diego State. Give them options to come back to the WAC. Strategic timing to have San Diego State back in the WAC will be a positive in the long run. Look at the cities these universities are in, tourist destinations. Who wants to go to the cities in the Rockies all the time?

    Getting back to BYU it could be Texas may have plans to go independent and having BYU take that step will enhance Texas to do so. Notre Dame, BYU, & Texas can play each other every year and choose team Texas and BYU can play teams from their past affiliations that are rivalries or high interest games and make them more money than being in a conference for football.

    Anyway again Benson needs to pull out all the stops. BYU leaving without commitments from Fresno & Nevada will be the beginning of the MWC becoming vulnerable and lose their negotion powers. This is a chess game and the better minds with the better foresight will succeed. One of these conference will become a has been on what is decided by this situation sooner rather than later.

    The powers in the MWC will then lose most of their aces. Only ace left is TCU.

  257. Kazz August 18, 2010 2:42 pm

    Again, ALL of our Warriors and Rainbow Wahine are in my thoughts at a time like this.

    Talk about beating a dead horse… Football is the machine, but there are so many other great moments in all of UH sports that have given us fans priceless moments and memories.

    It must continue across the board!

  258. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 2:46 pm

    Yup haka, that!!!

  259. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 2:47 pm

    The worst thing is this maneuvering hurts the overall cause of the non-BCS conferences.

    They should be working together, not trying to pick each other apart.

    Meanwhile, the rest of the nation just focuses on the BCS teams

  260. Kazz August 18, 2010 2:50 pm

    Stephen Tsai:

    August 18th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    The worst thing is this maneuvering hurts the overall cause of the non-BCS conferences.

    They should be working together, not trying to pick each other apart.

    Meanwhile, the rest of the nation just focuses on the BCS teams.

    I think when the MWC got involved with all the conference shifting, any expectations of some sort of ‘gentleman’s agreement’ flew out the window.

    They’ve had delusions of grandure for years now and I didn’t expect anything less.

    But you’re right ST. It’s like a dog-eat-dog situation right now when in REALITY there was no real shortage of food to cause ‘starvation’ in the first place.


  261. Kazz August 18, 2010 2:51 pm


    Yes karma is a mean mofo that will bite your head off.

    But there is no way I am staying silent about it. As a fan of ALL our UH student athletes and as a supporter in multiple ways, those attacks on ONE is an attack on all.

  262. ballpicker August 18, 2010 2:51 pm

    Yes, Kazz, your # 172 is right on. You geevum.

    DPK afternoon to you.

  263. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 2:58 pm

    Het bp! How are you doing today?

  264. Last Call August 18, 2010 2:59 pm

    Las Vegas Sun says Nevada is accepting invite.

  265. iwonderwhytheyhateme August 18, 2010 3:00 pm

    If Fresno and Neveda take invite…..does the WAC have no choice but to dissolve?

  266. Committed Road Warrior August 18, 2010 3:00 pm

    I’ve gotta get some sleep.

    It will be interesting to wake up in the morning and see what shakes out from all this discussion.

  267. Kazz August 18, 2010 3:07 pm


    August 18th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    If Fresno and Neveda take invite…..does the WAC have no choice but to dissolve?

    Not really. It wouldn’t be classified as a football conference though… (not sure). WAC could still field the other sports.

    But I mean with UH, Idaho, Utah State, New Mexico State, SJSU, and LaTech… I dunno…

  268. Kazz August 18, 2010 3:09 pm


    August 18th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Yes, Kazz, your # 172 is right on. You geevum.

    I’d like to give those people a bat upside their heads.

  269. Shoko August 18, 2010 3:09 pm

    Yikes! It’s tough being located so far away from everyone else. Looks like UH has got to go the independent route now.

  270. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 3:10 pm

    Uh, Kazz:

    Cage the rage.

    Silence the violence.

    Peace in the Middle East …

  271. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 3:11 pm

    What is the minimum number of teams a conference needs to have to be qualified as a football conference? Eight? Six?

  272. Lore Studdard August 18, 2010 3:11 pm

    Fast free downloads all 100 mbit and 1gb speeds over at and

  273. bb August 18, 2010 3:11 pm

    WAC=Conference of Suck

  274. Shoko August 18, 2010 3:12 pm


  275. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 3:12 pm

    Warrior Expat: Check out SteveM’s site (click on his name) for various activity details (email him from there for the secret handshake).

    Tsai-ko Tailgate – UH vs. USC

    Thursday, September 2, 2010

    Cabana A – from 10:00 AM

  276. kama krab August 18, 2010 3:13 pm

    Kazz #270,

    Thats one ugly looking WAC.

  277. Kazz August 18, 2010 3:13 pm

    Warrior Expat,

    I think the magic # is 8.

  278. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 3:14 pm

    Sending Kazz some Calm in the face of the Storm…

  279. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 3:14 pm

    Thanks, Liz 🙂

  280. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 3:17 pm

    Any word on SDSU and UNLV? Seems like our best hope at remaining a viable conference.

  281. iwonderwhytheyhateme August 18, 2010 3:19 pm

    It’s times like this that I am so grateful to have gone to the Sugar Bowl…

  282. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 3:19 pm

    Great day all around….

    deep breaths…

    # The crowd goes wild! #raiders strong safety Tyvon Branch picks off Colt Brennan in Red Zone drills.

    #raiders safety Stevie Brown INT QB Cole Brennan. Ball meant for FB Alex Daniels.

  283. Kazz August 18, 2010 3:22 pm

    Stephen Tsai:

    August 18th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Uh, Kazz:

    Cage the rage.

    Silence the violence.

    Peace in the Middle East …

    I’m getting there sir. Slowly but surely. 😎

  284. Manoa Mist August 18, 2010 3:24 pm

    Agree w/Last Call #248. Where is Benson?

    If the WAC doesn’t get UNLV and San Diego State, it’s curtains. Maybe we can go back to playing Linfield, Pacific, and military teams, like the old days.

    I’d scream “Where is JD?” but really, what leverage does UH have?

    We’re not strong in football, not strong in basketball, it’s expensive to come here and we’re not only broke we owe money.

  285. Kazz August 18, 2010 3:25 pm

    From a co-worker with a cousin in Fresno:


  286. Justin August 18, 2010 3:28 pm

    if the WAC gets dissolved, what happens to its teams? Do they get thrown into Independents, or to a lower division of college football?. I can see maybe SJSU, LTech, Utah St, etc having to go down a division as they never really were competitive, but a school that was in a BCS game a few years ago?

  287. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 3:28 pm

    hateme- #284 – amen, brother!

  288. Kazz August 18, 2010 3:29 pm

    Please repeat after me:

    The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.

    He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:

    He leadeth me beside the still waters.

    He restoreth my soul:

    He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name’ sake.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,

    I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;

    Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.

    Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;

    Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.

    Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,

    and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

  289. Slugger August 18, 2010 3:30 pm


    I took a look at the posts after Jason’s article. (Met him today, BTW.) You must’ve posted a response under another name. Please be vocal & go support the teams. I’m just not going to add fuel to that fire. Karma will pay it out.

    I’m just waiting to see what happens with all of the conference jockeying. Since I have no control over the situation, I’ll just wait ‘n see.


  290. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 3:34 pm

    For Kelly Majam and all who are so inclined:

    “They whose hearts are warmed by the energizing influence of God’s creative love cherish His creatures for His sake, and recognize in every human face a sign of His reflected glory.”

  291. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 3:34 pm

    Until official announcements from the schools involved, Benson better be as busy as ever. Early media reports said Texas, etc., were headed for the PAC10. That was not as done a deal as we had initially thought. As grim as things look, I’m still hopeful that we’ll be in a good position… unless and until that dreaded official announcement comes from all involved.

  292. Kazz August 18, 2010 3:36 pm

    I’m sorry, but one Sugar Bowl does NOT account for a lifetime of all of UH sports.

    ONE Sugar Bowl appearance does NOT account for 13 WAC Women’s Volleyball Championships, four NCAA Final Fours, one NCAA Men’s volleyball national championship, one WCWS appearances and NCAA softball records shattered, etc…

    This is bigger than most realize.

  293. madeinhawaii August 18, 2010 3:37 pm

    yep… cannot fret over what you cannot control… keep the team focused on playing solid football and beating USC. UH needs to make a statement in its first three games if it is going to have any say about it’s future.

    meanwhile… huge recall on eggs…

    ATLANTA (AP) – Health officials have dramatically expanded a recall of eggs after hundreds of people were sickened by a salmonella outbreak in three states, and possibly more. Initially, 228 million eggs were recalled, but that number was increased to the equivalent of nearly 32 million dozen-egg cartons.

    No deaths have been reported from the outbreaks in California, Colorado and Minnesota. Spikes or clusters of suspicious cases have also been reported in Arizona, Nevada, Illinois, Texas and Wisconsin.

    Because the strain involved is the most common form of salmonella, health officials say determining the size of the outbreak is more challenging.

    The eggs, from Wright County Egg in Galt, Iowa, were distributed around the country and packaged under the names Lucerne, Albertson, Mountain Dairy, Ralph’s, Boomsma’s, Sunshine, Hillandale, Trafficanda, Farm Fresh, Shoreland, Lund, Dutch Farms and Kemp.

  294. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 3:37 pm

    Worst-case scenario: Fresno State and Nevada leave. WAC becomes six-team football league.

    I assume the WAC then makes a move for Texas State, North Texas or one of the Louisiana-hyphen schools. Danger is Fresno, Nevada and San Jose are the geographical bridge between Hawaii and the rest of the WAC.

    Whatever you think of Benson, he can only follow the wishes of the presidents of WAC schools. Time for the presidents to take a proactive role. But the WAC needs Nevada and Fresno.

  295. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 3:39 pm

    Best hope is BYU goes independent in football, WAC and MWC merge.

  296. Kazz August 18, 2010 3:41 pm


    I did post under UH808softball as “Kazz” was already taken and I couldnt’ remember my old password.

    But um…. are you suggesting that I be MORE vocal and support the teams?

  297. madeinhawaii August 18, 2010 3:41 pm

    I know I know… tainted eggs have little to do with Warrior football.. but sick fans won’t help it either…

    If the WAC falls apart… UH/Hawaii will only have themselves to blame for not taking a leadership role in the WAC. You can only blame Benson so far before start asking why he wasn’t given all the tools and authority to act in the WAC’s best interest to keep the conference intact. UH, SJSU, etc.. should have been aiming high and shooting for the stars. Instead, they let their guard down and shot themselves in the foot.

  298. Aaron August 18, 2010 3:44 pm

    anyone got the number for the Big West conference? we can go independent for football if we have to, but we need a home for basketball, volleyball, etc.

  299. bb August 18, 2010 3:49 pm

    So if we play in the conference of SUCK and have a schedule of SUCK does that mean my season ticket prices will reflect it? Pay Per View will become Pay Me to Watch?

  300. Shoko August 18, 2010 3:50 pm

    According to what I’m reading, Fresno State and Nevada is close to announcing an exit. Unless anything is about to change in the next 40 minutes or so, its looks like a done deal.

  301. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:00 pm

    News conferences set for 4:30 HT

  302. Hank August 18, 2010 4:02 pm

    Crazy….it appears that our leadership has let us down, and we are getting

    screwed once again…I wonder if there is any legal recourse?…sad…jus sad…:(

  303. Shoko August 18, 2010 4:04 pm

    I would think the schools that have done a recent feasibility study would be under consideration. North Texas, UTSA or Montana would be my best guess. However, Montana lacks the acadamic budget like NT and UTSA. Thoughts?

  304. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 4:04 pm

    Nevada, Fresno and Boise

    Bunch of Pansies.

    Go reside in the Panty drawer with all the other fluff.


  305. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 4:05 pm

    mih- KaLei Eggs mo bettah!

    I buy only local eggs and occasional organic eggs from costco only… highly suspicious of normal “mainland shell protected eggs”.

  306. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 4:06 pm

    BB>>> You said it.

    PPV for the WAC – Whoooosh, there it went.

  307. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 4:06 pm

    Let’s face it- times change and each school is looking to stay alive.

    Some more actively than others…

  308. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 4:07 pm

    Just like our current federal administration – Benson is now radioactive

    Must really feel like opala to be him right now

  309. Last Call August 18, 2010 4:09 pm

    Ferd Lewis is reporting something that we’ve all know for hours .

  310. roysan16 August 18, 2010 4:10 pm

    re-#304 article

    to compound things

    fresno signed the 5 mil. buyout

    neveda didn’t

  311. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 4:11 pm

    Well, actually, we all thought Fresno and Nevada would go.

    We just didn’t think they would give an answer this quickly.

    It’s like being asked out on a date. Shouldn’t there be a waiting period of, oh, a little bit before accepting. But, hey, if I’m Fresno and Nevada, I’d make the grab fast. It’s like Law & Order: Take the deal before the next guy gets it.

  312. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:12 pm

    Manoa Mist,

    If the WAC doesn’t get UNLV and San Diego State, it’s curtains. Maybe we can go back to playing Linfield, Pacific, and military teams, like the old days.

    Sounds good to me! 😉

  313. Derek August 18, 2010 4:12 pm

    I’d like to see what Jim Donovan says. On the surface, it looks like the WAC is up the creek.

    There’s 3 types of people. One that watches things happen, two, makes things happen, and the 3rd, wonders what happened. Which one is Karl Benson?

    Whatever MWC is doing, their only motivation is getting BCS automatic qualified.

  314. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 4:12 pm


    I think both schools will pay the exit fee.

    That’s pretty amazing in itself. Call the boosters, get $5 million.

    UH takes two years and oodles of hearings just to impose a student fee.

  315. Shoko August 18, 2010 4:13 pm

    Not sure of the WAC bylaws, but I thought if a vote went down, it would have to be unanimous. So, in that respect, I would think any one vote against would kill the buyout fee.

  316. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 4:14 pm


    It’s more like what are the WAC presidents going to do?

    But, yeah, this is the time to be negotiating like crazy. How a school in a state that is billions in debt can afford $5 million for an exit fee is amazing. How an offer can be made this quickly, also amazing. Looks like MWC had plans B, C, D on ice for a while.

  317. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 4:15 pm

    Comparing dating to current CFB-

    That was the past, along with drive- in movies, submarine races and real American hot rods.

    This is now. Too much information too fast and go, go, go with foreign imports from asia.

    btw, I prefer the era of a sweet Chevy Chevelle SS convertable watching those sub races with Wolfman Jack on my am radio.

  318. Kazz August 18, 2010 4:15 pm

    So far, Karl Benson has been someone that APPEARS to have watched things happened and twice has been left wondering what happened.

  319. Justin August 18, 2010 4:16 pm

    why is there no interest in UH from these other conferences?

  320. Kazz August 18, 2010 4:16 pm

    Excuse me…

    I meant to say Benson has APPEARED to be someone that watched things *happen*.

  321. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 4:17 pm

    I don’t believe the entire state of Calif. has 5 million to spare for anything

  322. Kazz August 18, 2010 4:18 pm


    August 18th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    why is there no interest in UH from these other conferences?

    There are several answers, but the BIG one has to be:


  323. Kazz August 18, 2010 4:19 pm


    August 18th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    I don’t believe the entire state of Calif. has 5 million to spare for anything.


  324. Shoko August 18, 2010 4:20 pm


    Exactly. Bensons lacks foresight. Reactive than proactive.

  325. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 4:21 pm

    Should all WAC survivors be applying for the Big West conference?

    This hurts.

    It really, really hurts.

    Solvency s*cks

  326. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:23 pm

    How an offer can be made this quickly, also amazing. Looks like MWC had plans B, C, D on ice for a while.

    The WAC got “whacked”, it looks like, by an inside job…if discussions with BY-Who have been ongoing for the past month, somebody squealed and let Reno and Fresno know they had to work on a “back-door” deal.

    But what do I know?

  327. Bulla August 18, 2010 4:23 pm

    ST #320,

    you are correct, contingency plans seem to have been in place and have been ‘marinating’ as one might say. something like this does not happen ‘overnight’ because of the complexities and funding involved.

    last one out of the WAC please turn off the lights……..sad 🙁

  328. Bulla August 18, 2010 4:24 pm


    once again, UH is at the dance, but it’s the wrong night…..where’d everyone go?

  329. expat August 18, 2010 4:26 pm

    One interesting aspect is that at least one article said that the BYU news was leaked out of the WAC office.

  330. Garret August 18, 2010 4:28 pm

    One tidbit that nobody seems to have focused on yet. Assuming that the MWC keeps its teams and adds BSU, Fresno, and Nevada, that means that the MWC will have *11* teams. They will add 1 more to get to 12 to get the championship game and to split into divisions to save on travel costs.

    Who gets that last spot? It could be a free-for-all among non-AQ teams to try to get to the top non-AQ conference. Here are the 2 scenarios I think are most likely:

    1. UH gets the last spot in the MWC. Then, UH fans will love the changes in conference realignment and won’t mind Fresno and Nevada going too. For all the talk about loyalty, UH would accept in less than a second.

    2. Houston gets the last spot in the MWC. Houston has the highest BCS rating left of the candidates and they have a big market. They are a natural travel partner for TCU.

    A side effect of Houston going to the MWC is that La Tech could get their wish to finally go to C-USA. For years the WAC has hoped that La Tech would go to the C-USA…but now that the WAC is running out of teams, La Tech probably looks really good to the WAC.

    If BSU, Fresno, Nevada, and La Tech all bail on the WAC, there would be no way that the WAC could invite enough D-IAA teams to move up to save the conference. Sadly, I think that Houston is far more likely than UH to get the invite.

  331. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:29 pm


    Got that right.

    btw, hope all is good at work.

  332. koakane™ August 18, 2010 4:30 pm

    good afternoon

    wow 😯 things moving fast with rumors of teams leaving. looks like a very interesting evening. MW really shaking things up.

    sport animals reporting in a few minutes the MW doing a press conference announcing what’s happening. rumor Houston being a possible invitee to MW. If FSU and Nevada leaves WAC in deep kim chee, crap in deep kc no matter what.

  333. aikea August 18, 2010 4:30 pm

    Slugger #292

    I am with you on this. Thanks for the moment of zen.

  334. GoodbyeUHfootball August 18, 2010 4:30 pm

    UH and the WAC continue to sit and watch. This is the last year of UH football. June Jones knows when to go. UH football will soon be DEAD!!!

  335. Garret August 18, 2010 4:30 pm

    Bulla and d1,

    It was no coincidence that Pat Hill and the Fresno Bee were the ones that were completely informed about BSU going to the MWC. Fresno and Nevada have been openly hoping for a MWC invitation for years. UH was even lobbying openly for a MWC invitation in I think 2004 and would have gone to the MWC if ever given a chance.

  336. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:31 pm

    Time for another beer…

  337. Garret August 18, 2010 4:32 pm

    If Houston is about to be announced also (see koakane’s post), then the last spot in the MWC is taken. The only hope then would be for BYU to go independent, opening one more spot in the MWC.

    La Tech would likely take Houston’s spot and that would be it for the WAC. NMSU’s professors would get their way and kill their athletic program, which they have been cutting millions from each year anyway.

  338. koakane™ August 18, 2010 4:33 pm

    official FSU leaving the WAC

  339. Garret August 18, 2010 4:33 pm

    If there is no more WAC, nobody will be paying the $5 million in exit fees.

  340. Derek August 18, 2010 4:35 pm

    I really think the MWC wants the University of Hawaii go begging to join the MWC. What would it take? One thing! UH would have to pay travel subsidies, at least for the airline tickets. We are being hostages due to the distance from the mainland. Think about it. Why is Hawaii not an attractive conference member? All the other teams on the mainland will cite that it costs too much to fly to Hawaii. It’s not so much the distance. It’s the cost. Ask yourself, if you could fly to Hawaii for free would you go? Of, course you would.

    UH has to take a good look into this area. I don’t now what I would do either. Would it be okay to pay 25% of the travel cost, 35%, 50%? Kenneth Mortimer, former UH President said that we will not pay for travel subsidies to other WAC teams anymore. Not long after that, 6 former WAC teams bolted and joined a new conference, the MWC. Tough call. It’s not like we have deep pockets.

  341. Blue Powder August 18, 2010 4:36 pm


    Agreed. Looks like Benson made a move to strengthen the WAC by bringing in BYU for non-fb sports and maybe luring BSU back also. But the MWC had counter-punches (i.e. plans B, C, D, E) in their back pocket. Nice planning by the MWC.

    I like Benson’s move to try and get BYU. Don’t like that he didn’t anticipate the MWC’s counter punch. I guess he tried by using $5 mil exit fee, but obviously that was not a good enough defense for the counter punch.

  342. koakane™ August 18, 2010 4:37 pm

    UH announced Jim Donovan holding a press conference latter in the hour

  343. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 4:38 pm

    UH news conference at 5:30 p.m.

  344. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 4:39 pm

    #334 Garret. Ditto. I think UH gets the last spot in the MWC. Sadly, University of Houston:( We’re nobody’s child.

  345. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 4:40 pm

    #332… sounds like Haikus by Rap Replinger!

    Remember just a short time ago when the first batch of realignments came down? Benson said something about having things working in the background. So, dissolving the WAC was it?

    So, what’s left? We give up football or go to a lower tier? Can we even afford to go independent in football? We need to find the best fit for the rest of our sports programs.

  346. Pomai August 18, 2010 4:40 pm

    Sad just sad. It really seems to me that the MWC is out to do in the WAC.

  347. Shoko August 18, 2010 4:41 pm

    What I’ve been reading it looks like BYU (football) leaving is a done deal. So, MWC would be looking at a ten-team conference, which means to Houston invite and therefore, no LA Tech C-USA invite.

  348. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:41 pm


    …now only one more beer in da fridge…gotta nurse ’em ’til 5:30!

  349. RIP August 18, 2010 4:41 pm

    ESPN is reporting Utah State Idaho New Mexico State to rejoin sun Belt and the the WAC will be dissolved. What now?

  350. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 4:43 pm

    We would never drop to FCS (Div. I-AA) status, would we?

  351. Kazz August 18, 2010 4:43 pm


    WAC softball has taken a bigger blow… a BIG one.

    If BYU does send their other sports to the WAC, then not too bad, but still, to lose a storied softball program like Fresno State is rugged not to mention how decent Nevada has been recently despite their down year last season.

  352. Blue Powder August 18, 2010 4:44 pm

    We all better enjoy the upcoming football season since it is probable we will not see this level of college of football in the future. USC coming to town in two weeks. I really hope we kick the sh*t out of Nevada when they arrive in Aloha Stadium.

  353. chawan_cut August 18, 2010 4:44 pm

    aiya. get back to my desk finally and all of this.

    the insanity!

  354. Bulla August 18, 2010 4:46 pm


    drink da beer, hit the Patron, lights out…..for d1 and the WAC…..

    all is good at work, sensationalism journalism at it’s finest, blown out of proportion….but bad news sells and good news smells

    Warrior Football

    When you leave, turn out the lights

    Memories for life 🙂

  355. koakane™ August 18, 2010 4:46 pm

    official nevada is gone

  356. Justin August 18, 2010 4:47 pm

    # RIP:

    August 18th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    ESPN is reporting Utah State Idaho New Mexico State to rejoin sun Belt and the the WAC will be dissolved. What now?

    gotta link for that?

  357. Garret August 18, 2010 4:47 pm

    We would never drop to FCS (Div. I-AA) status, would we?

    I don’t see how UH could have a football team at the D-IAA level. What D-IAA conference would take UH in? The travel costs would kill those low-budget schools. UH wouldn’t be able to get any nonconference home games because D-IA schools are normally forbidden by their conferences from playing in D-IAA home stadiums.

    So, it is D-IA or no football at all for UH. Reality sucks.

  358. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 4:47 pm

    Wait… if we are the final team invited to the MWC, and the MWC becomes the newest BCS kids on the street, would the higher shared funds be enough to cover travel costs? Then, travel costs would be a non-issue, at least for conference members coming to Hawaii. Or, would we be looking at one of those lopsided, unbalanced conference contracts where we get a fraction of the BCS revenue until we have a winning record and/or an RPI within the top 50, or some other such stipulation?

  359. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:47 pm


    Talk about delusions of grandeur…

    posted a few minutes ago on Deseret News

    Utah State, even with its football team that finished just 4-8 a year ago, is suddenly the strongest overall program in the WAC.

  360. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:50 pm


    In my opinion, the best (and perhaps only) hope for the Aggies is that BYU reconsiders its plan to go independent in football and join the WAC or West Coast Conference in other sports. The best-case scenario may, ultimately, be that BYU decides to stay put and lobbies for USU to join the MWC to make it a 12-team conference.

    That, as Aggie fans will quickly note, is an extreme long shot.

    If Utah State is unable to find a home in the Mountain West, the options are limited. The Sun Belt has already been tried and Conference USA is not likely to see the Logan/SLC market as a fit it wants to reach for.

    Stay tuned for news coming out of Logan. These are tenuous times at Utah State.

  361. Justin August 18, 2010 4:50 pm

    so California State University also joined MWC. who is CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY?

  362. ballpicker August 18, 2010 4:51 pm

    well im watching Kekaula right now to get the latest.

  363. roysan16 August 18, 2010 4:51 pm

    1420 will be carrying JD’s newsconference at 530pm.

    Hoping there’s some good news.

  364. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 4:51 pm

    Maybe we gotta take a look at these non-football sports joining up with the PAC10. We’re already there (kind of) with the MPSF. We need to link Wahine sports with the PAC10 too.

  365. Last Call August 18, 2010 4:51 pm

    Where can we hear or watch this news conference at 5:30 ?

  366. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 4:52 pm

    @361: Garret – I agree and could barely stomach the thought of Hawaii in D-IAA. Of course, the thought of no football at all is even more difficult to stomach.

  367. Kazz August 18, 2010 4:52 pm


    Let’s see…

    Utah State vs UH

    Football – null

    Basketball – Utah State

    Volleyball – UH

    Baseball – Uhh… UH

    Softball – 😆 UH

    Track and field: UH


  368. chawan_cut August 18, 2010 4:52 pm

    from Justin’s article:

    “Both of these schools are great additions to the academic and athletic excellence of the Conference, and we look forward to working with them both on and off the field.”

    academic excellence??? seriously? at fresno???

  369. Garret August 18, 2010 4:53 pm

    There is one HUGE flaw with people who are hoping that UH will get invited to the MWC and the MWC would get AQ status. The BCS evaluation period includes 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons, and UH’s computer rating in 2008 and 2009 would kill the MWC’s chances for becoming an AQ conference.

    Forget about travel costs, TV markets, and everything else. Notice that the 4 schools being talked about (BSU, Fresno, Nevada, Houston) had by FAR the highest computer ratings of any schools in the WAC or C-USA. Only those schools could help the MWC get AQ status. UH had a higher ratings during several evaluation periods, but the timing sucks now because only 2008 and 2009 count. If 2006 and 2007 counted, UH would have a strong case.

  370. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 4:54 pm

    Cal State University @ Fresno… or Fresno State

  371. Kazz August 18, 2010 4:54 pm

    The Rainbow Wahine CAN compete with PAC 10 schools in softball, volleyball, water polo, and so forth.

  372. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:54 pm


    Now now, they do have that winery class…

  373. whitey August 18, 2010 4:54 pm

    Looks likes a doomsday scenerio for the WAC, but if you believe that there are alternative solutions, you may be right.

  374. d1島 August 18, 2010 4:55 pm

    Kekaula on now

  375. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 4:55 pm

    I know the idea of Hawaii going independent (again) was floating around after Boise bolted. Now it appears that we have little choice. Could we make it work? Scheduling 12 teams every year is going to be tough…

  376. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 4:58 pm

    We should wait until after Donovan’s press conference the go ballistic. Actually, if we go independent, then maybe we can go back to the 8/9 home games and make some money. Except that scheduling will be hard every year, with more independents, we may have a little more scheduling room, although with some of the same teams every year.

    On another note. Being in the WAC,I’m sure Fresno and Nevada’s presidents or ADs were involved in the negotiations with BYU, so it wouldn’t be hard to imagine the leak to the MWC.

  377. koakane™ August 18, 2010 4:59 pm

    nevada confirming they were offered last night and letter came this morning

  378. d1島 August 18, 2010 5:01 pm

    Although we’ve been talking about it here all afternoon, that was tough to hear Robert say that the WAC may be done… 🙁

  379. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 5:01 pm

    It’s time for some creative thinking.

    The view is dismal when we look to the right.

    Wonder what is happening on the left?

  380. Last Call August 18, 2010 5:02 pm

    once again where can we hear or watch this 5:30 news conference ?

  381. d1島 August 18, 2010 5:02 pm


    ….and they have a bridge for sale 🙄

  382. Justin August 18, 2010 5:02 pm

    would going independent help? it’s hard to get teams here to play. the competition will be hard to obtain meaning the schedule would be filled with lower ranked teams. its going to be harder to recruit players since the chances of UH going to any type of bowl game would decrease. I don’t see any way out of this scenario.

  383. d1島 August 18, 2010 5:04 pm


    I would think the best shot would be KHNL who has a live local telecast scheduled at 5:30

  384. Last Call August 18, 2010 5:05 pm

    Never mind it’s on 1420 also on the internet .

  385. ballpicker August 18, 2010 5:06 pm

    Maybe the news conference will be on Hawaii athletics dot com. Not sure but worth a check.

  386. Last Call August 18, 2010 5:09 pm

    Sports Animals has good coverage going on.

  387. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 5:09 pm

    Sorry, Garret, but I don’t have numbers in front of me of the many possibilities such as MWC keeping BYU and adding BSU, FSU, and Nevada, plus UH. Yes, we didn’t have stellar years after Coach Jones left, but we were still 13-13. If, by adding BSU, FSU, and Nevada, the MWC far overshoots AQ standards, would they lose those gains by adding a break-even team like UH?

    Thanks for crunching our numbers!

    Hopeful that the rest of our student athletes can continue in their winning ways… in the most competitive conferences they can get into.

  388. Shoko August 18, 2010 5:09 pm

    Think we’re awaiting MWC commissioner to make the annoucement before Nevada, Fresno and Benson make a statement.

  389. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 5:12 pm

    And I thought this was going to be just another Wednesday, waiting to watch L & L tongiht.

  390. Shoko August 18, 2010 5:13 pm


    You can check out the BCS Guru website for numbers.

  391. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 5:13 pm

    In the beginning of the football year, the scheduling wouldn’t be much of a problem. It would be hard to get conference teams to schedule a trip to Hawaii in the middle of their conference season, siting, among other reasons, the long trip takes a lot out of a team, thus, having a hard time getting ready for their next conference game. Toward the end of the season, most large conferences would have a playoff (east vs west, north vs south, etc.) so we would also have a hard time getting marqui teams. Hawaii could load up the front of the season with marqui teams, then mostly travel (not always) during the middle of the season, and finish with what left of the independent teams and teams without conference playoffs at the end of the season.

  392. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 5:14 pm

    “NAPA, Calif. (AP) — Kyle Boller will remain the Oakland Raiders’ primary backup this week while newly acquired Colt Brennan is expected to finally make his debut.

    With Bruce Gradkowski nursing a lingering sore groin and Charlie Frye out after undergoing wrist surgery Wednesday, coach Tom Cable is still adjusting his quarterback rotation for Saturday’s preseason game at Chicago…”

  393. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 5:19 pm

    Will be carrying the UH Press Conference.

  394. Garret August 18, 2010 5:19 pm

    Michigan Warrior,

    UH’s numbers were really bad last season with the computers…the weakness of the WAC hurt UH, as did the losing record. To put things in perspective, UH was #105 in the country in the final Sagarin rankings. If you throw out the D-IAA teams ranked ahead of UH, UH was around #90 in the country. That would kill the MWC’s average.

    Nevada was #70 in the same Sagarin rankings. Fresno State was #59 and Houston was #53. Those were the highest WAC or C-USA teams that were geographic candidates for the MWC. East Carolina was #51 but they are on the wrong side of the country.

  395. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 5:20 pm

    #396 LizK, Mahalo, mahalo, mahalo nui loa. With all the bad news, you came up with something good. Saved the day! I think. We’ll find out after JD’s news conference.

  396. kama krab August 18, 2010 5:21 pm

    Looks like s**t just hit the wall aka UHAD.

  397. d1島 August 18, 2010 5:23 pm

    CSU-F will be “working out” how to pay the $5M

    Fresno State President John Welty announced that the school accepted the invitation to join the Mountain West Conference at a news conference in the university’s Duncan athletic building.

    Welty said the school faces a buyout clause to leave the Western Athletic Conferece. He acknowledged that a reported $5 million buyout was in the range of what’s owed.

    “We’re going to have to work out the specifics and the amounts, and that’s one of the things that has yet to be resolved,” Welty said. “We are going to realize additional revenue. Over a period of time we will finance the buyout. At the same time, we will save some costs.”

  398. kama krab August 18, 2010 5:23 pm

    Today will be the end of the UH athletics as we know it. Hopefully our none football programs can find a home.

  399. d1島 August 18, 2010 5:24 pm

    ….$1.00 per year for 5 million years

  400. al August 18, 2010 5:24 pm

    kama…did you mean s**t just hit the fan?

  401. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 5:25 pm

    JD’s on now…

    Thanks, Garret

  402. Not an Expert August 18, 2010 5:27 pm

    Who is the administrative powers of the MWC?

    What schools or whom is able to negotiate all this when BYU was looking at going independent?

    Benson is not a leader, negotiator or tactical type minded person. He down right blew it for Hawaii, the oldest member of the WAC. Benson got out witted.

  403. Shoko August 18, 2010 5:28 pm


  404. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 5:29 pm

    Shoko – #397

  405. Shoko August 18, 2010 5:31 pm

    Mahalo, Liz 🙂

  406. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 5:33 pm

    Jim Donovan – classy guy. Taking the high road on this issue.

  407. d1島 August 18, 2010 5:33 pm


  408. LizKauai m/ August 18, 2010 5:35 pm

    Yes, the collegiate team spirit is gone and every school is looking out for itself.

    Let the dust settle and see what the reality is.

  409. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 5:35 pm

    JD mentions about Hawaii having hard times in the past, and will come together.

    Yes, but everything is changing too fast for comfort.

    America is changing, travel is changing, expenses are accelerating at hyperbole speeds.

    This is serious.

    P.S. I’m not an alarmist, just a realist.

  410. RainbowCliff August 18, 2010 5:35 pm

    WOW Tsaiko Nation !

    Man, seems like the selected teams from the WAC are just happy as can be to flee the weak wac with Hawaii just being left out in the COLD !

    Very dissapointing to watch and see this as ONE time long ago Hawaii was a GREAT Division 1

    trip to play against ALL UH teams as I am glad I did my time in that golden era in which

    we played a tough schedule against ALL competition as being an Independent conference.

    Now 32 years later this PROUD program is being left out for many reasons as AD Jim Donovan has his work cut out for him IF he can do anything to get UH back to acknowledgement and respectability as the WAC is coming apart at the seams !

  411. Kazz August 18, 2010 5:36 pm


    No, I understand and agree with you.

    There are hundreds of student athletes at UH Manoa that will be effected by what happens in the next few days, weeks, and months.

    This is SERIOUS.

  412. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 5:37 pm

    Independence here we come.

    JD has his work cut out for his paycheck for scheduling those rare schools that want to benefit traveling to Hawaii.

  413. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 5:37 pm

    Ah, good point… Although FSU and Nevada made their announcements on their intentions to leave, they missed the July 1 deadline for 2011. So, the earliest they can leave would be 2012, which gives us an extra year to find at least 2 more schools to keep the WAC afloat.

  414. Garret August 18, 2010 5:38 pm

    The bad economy, escalating travel costs, and Title IX requirements have made most D-IA schools hard-pressed to keep afloat financially. Those considerations were present over the past few years to an extent that never existed before.

    Some schools are doing all they can to survive financially. Some others will be left behind. Sadly, UH appears to be one of those.

  415. Kazz August 18, 2010 5:39 pm

    What happens to the other UH sports?

  416. Warrior Expat August 18, 2010 5:39 pm

    Maybe we could pick up a couple FCS schools? I remember Montana and N. Texas were floated around as ideas before.

  417. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 5:40 pm

    As ST said earlier, Will Guam Univ. be interested?

  418. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 5:41 pm

    Oh wait on Guam, Continental doesn’t fly there anymore and Pan-Am doesn’t exist.

  419. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 5:41 pm

    All we can do is take care of business on the field. We gotta smash these defectors, not just nicely beat them, but utterly destroy them.

  420. Shoko August 18, 2010 5:43 pm

    LOL, a caller mentioned Kahuku and Waianae to join the WAC!

  421. d1島 August 18, 2010 5:44 pm

    Well, maybe no need one new stadium….

  422. Shoko August 18, 2010 5:46 pm


    Although the deadline is July 1st, I believe they could leave in 2011, but would be penalized. Correct me if I’m wrong.

  423. LizKauai (iPad) August 18, 2010 5:46 pm

    We could always develop our rugby team and get into it with the folks down under!

  424. Garret August 18, 2010 5:47 pm


    UH football takes 85 scholarships. Without UH football, UH will have 85 less scholarships for women’s sports. UH would also cut down on some nonrevenue men’s sports since they won’t be required to have it for conference requirements.

    Basically, without football funding the athletic department, it will be extremely ugly to see all the sports that UH will have to cut. And what nonrevenue teams will be traveling to Hawaii on a regular basis?

    Without football, *everything* comes apart for the Athletic Department.

  425. Michigan Warrior August 18, 2010 5:48 pm

    We gotta watch how we act this year, both on the field and in the stands. We can’t let bad blood and hot tempers flare out of control. We need to win in every sport this year, more than ever. We need to be as attractive as possible, and that includes filling the stadium and the SSC. We are still the only Aloha State in the world.

  426. ballpicker August 18, 2010 5:49 pm

    So now …. the University and Oceanic and Community have the opportunity to think outside the usual.

    Mr. Tsai’s thought about $ 5.00 / month for UH athletics; start ur own sports channel, go independant, are thoughts that should be explored if they havent been explored before. Get June Jones, the maverick back, after he’s tired of the politi-king at smu and let him lead the football team and Jim Donovan, our AD, let him lead our athletic department.

    Now the University can be free of any guilt that they might feel to have left the WAC and put them into action.

    And for us as fans, support the programs, in anyway and in everyway we can.

  427. Garret August 18, 2010 5:51 pm

    Remember, there is a moratorium right now on D-IAA schools moving up to D-IA. Even after that period is over, there is a 2-year process before they will be considered D-IA…so, they could be conference members but wins against them wouldn’t count for at least a year. That could result in no WAC teams having enough wins to make a bowl game.

    Inviting 1 or 2 D-IAA schools is hard enough in this economic period. Inviting more than that would kill the conference. The TV deal would be thrown out, which means that the D-IAA schools would have no incentive to move up.

  428. Kazz August 18, 2010 5:51 pm


    I’ve understood this for the longest time.

    I am away from a radio so I cannot listen to the press conference. Following the posts on here it appears JD announced that UH football is going independent so it ain’t gone.. yet.

    My question of “what happens to the other sports” is what conference will they float to.

  429. chopsueyboy August 18, 2010 5:51 pm

    Why is the travel cost to Hawaii still an issue?

    Don’t they get an extra home game when they play in Hawaii to offset the cost?

  430. Justin August 18, 2010 5:51 pm


    maybe UH could join the OIA East

  431. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 5:52 pm

    Independents unite!



    Notre Dame

    and bring on Air Force.

    Hawaii can play them EVERY year at Hawaii with their kala.

    What a dream.

  432. ballpicker August 18, 2010 5:55 pm

    I want the best for coach Mac and the team and who knows what will happen this year. The best I’m thinking, but if they work out as a football staff, I’m all for that too. Coach Mac you go and lead the team against all this year.


  433. ballpicker August 18, 2010 5:56 pm


  434. Shoko August 18, 2010 5:56 pm


    Hehe, I hope not.

    Something that crossed my mind is that the NCAA could give the WAC a waiver with the eight-team minimum.

  435. Shoko August 18, 2010 6:00 pm

    Gee, after all that has transpired, there is still no response from Benson.

  436. rage777 August 18, 2010 6:01 pm

    Anyone else realize that 10 years later BYU screwed the WAC AGAIN. This time without even being in the conference. Do you guys want to take BYU in the WAC now? Any hard feelings yet? BYU plotted in secret to get out of the WAC, then they plotted to get out of the MWC and you still wanted them to join the WAC?

  437. ballpicker August 18, 2010 6:02 pm

    No… Hawaii has not gone solo. But it should be ….

  438. Justin August 18, 2010 6:04 pm

    I hope, in my wildest dreams for this season, that UH STOMPS ALL OVER FRESNO, NEVADA, and BSU. Also, playing it close against USC would be good too.

    I hope, in my wildest dreams for next season, that UH STOMPS ALL OVER FRESNO and NEVADA (considering they passed the deadline and have to move in 2012).


  439. Garret August 18, 2010 6:05 pm

    Both the WCC and the Big West conference schools have major budget problems. What value does UH bring that will let the nonrevenue teams join? The last 2 men’s basketball seasons came at a horrible time for this conference shuffle.

  440. CoolEthan August 18, 2010 6:06 pm


    I think Benson is some dive bar in downtown Denver drinking in sorrow, wondering if he will have a job next week.

  441. Kazz August 18, 2010 6:06 pm

    Ok.. I just saw Kekaula’s live interview with JD and nothing has been settled or decided.

    So pretty much back to square one…

    This time “square one” is located in the corner of a room.

  442. Pomai August 18, 2010 6:07 pm

    I think we all need to step back and take the example that Ms. Majam has shown us, The power of positive thinking. The sky is falling only if you let it.

  443. Pomai August 18, 2010 6:11 pm

    The one thing JD kept saying is “legal ramifications” ????

  444. Derek August 18, 2010 6:14 pm

    John Burns must be turning over in his grave. This is pretty depressing news.

  445. Shoko August 18, 2010 6:16 pm

    » Groth said one of the main reasons for accepting the invitation to the MWC was because of the geography. Travel budgets will be sliced considerably by playing in the more condensed MWC. Volleyball coach Devin Scruggs said she was “ecstatic” to hear about the news. The non-revenue sports will likely be the most helped by the change in conferences as their budgets are fixed and traveling around the far-flung WAC killed their budgets.

    Nevada does not know whether it will join the MWC starting in the 2011 or 2012 season. That decision will be made in the near future. It is both Nevada’s and the MWC’s preference that the Wolf Pack joins the league in 2011, but the exit fee would be steeper under that scenario.

  446. bb August 18, 2010 6:19 pm

    Buy your tickets for USC game now.

    Might be last decent name team ever to step into Aloha Stadium.

    Conference of Suck.

  447. Shoko August 18, 2010 6:23 pm

    Okay, I’m done for the night. Too much drama for one day. Have a good night. 🙂

  448. Kazz August 18, 2010 6:27 pm

    It’s disturbing that all of this comes off the heels of GREAT seasons by the Rainbow Wahine softball and volleyball teams, and a return to a WAC title by the baseball team… Not to mention a stellar year in the high jump for Amber Kaufman.

    I said it before while some seem to forget or ignore… this is way beyond criminal.

  449. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 6:28 pm

    When would’ve BYU joined the WAC if they went through with it? With them making plenty of money by going independent in football, are they still thinking of moving their other teams. Maybe not the WAC but the WCC? If Hawaii is bolting, then they should hurry up and not let BYU beat them to it. Supposedly, the 2 teams, Nehada and Fresyes, cannot leave until 2012, but would BYU have joined before then and when the 2 leave, maybe the WAC will have enough teams in other sports with BYU, to continue? I still think they are leaving MWC football because the independent TV contract will be too large to pass up. Being a religious school, will all their revenues from such a TV deal be tax free?

  450. Steve August 18, 2010 6:28 pm

    Jim Donovan keeps saying Hawaii will stick with the WAC, only problem Hawaii may be the only team left in the WAC. What does Jim Donovan have against being pro-active, he keeps saying we will see what happens. Which is a reactive action, the same as Karl Benson. Guess where that kind of action got the WAC.

  451. Kazz August 18, 2010 6:33 pm


    Well, from what I heard it was the usual “weighing” of options according to JD’s interview with Kekaula at the top of the six o’clock news on KITV.

    JD did acknowledge the obvious issue of independancy with travel costs. As many mentioned before, the push to get travel subsidies is just as important as winning on the football field at this point.

  452. Steve August 18, 2010 6:35 pm

    Does anyone know how the WAC Universities can oust Karl Benson, before it is to late? Hoping, it is not to late already.

  453. Dennis Halloran August 18, 2010 6:36 pm

    The expanded CUSA idea Garrett floated months ago. looks pragmatic

  454. Jeff August 18, 2010 6:40 pm

    Is hasn’t been brought up yet, but this goes beyond just UH, for example what happens with Aloha Stadium if there is no UH football? Millions have already been spent on its renovation. It supposedly will be a hub for rail when it gets built. The cost to the state will be enormous.

  455. Steve August 18, 2010 6:40 pm

    Kazz, I do hope JD does have some options in mind, and not just saying it. Did you hear the rumor about 3 other WAC teams going back to the conference they came from?

  456. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 6:46 pm

    I’m sorry, but the WAC is probably the most changed conference in the nation? I think those in the WAC (Benson, etc.) offices just are not doing their job to keep their conference together and moving forward. People are trying to show compassion to Benson, saying that his hands are tied by the presidents, but enough is enough. Shouldn’t the commissioner and his office have various situations covered? Shouldn’t they inform the presidents of what could happen and what they should do if such does happen or, more importantly, prevent such from happening? Shouldn’t they lobby the presidents for more forward, “out of the box,” packages such as a lucrative WAC cable package available nation or worldwide? There are many things the WAC office could do but is not doing to keep the WAC stable. One example, on a smaller scale, would be a guy like the former high school athletic commissioner and what he did for Hawaii’s high school sports. He had a vision, and went forward with his vision. LETS GET BENSON OUT ALREADY. Its obvious he’s not doing his job or Bosie, Nehada, and Fresyes would still be in the WAC and the WAC would be flourishing.

  457. truefan August 18, 2010 6:46 pm

    The news today reminds me of what I thought was the darkest day for Warrior football when my eyes were glued to the TV early in the morning to hear that June Jones had become the new head coach at SMU. Later I found that I like the way Greg McMackin runs the program, “local style.”

    I felt the same frustration today and then I thought we kick Boise, Fresno and Nevada’s butt’s, then they can leave.

    We the people of Hawaii, that means everybody around the world who has this beautiful state in your heart, we ALWAYS stand up when we are kicked to the ground. Whatever happens, happens. We hope for the best and deal with whatever comes our way with DIGNITY AND PRIDE.

    Now, more than ever, I have pride in all of our young men and women who represent our University and our great state.

  458. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 6:49 pm


    August 18th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Independents unite!



    Notre Dame

    and bring on Air Force.

    Hawaii can play them EVERY year at Hawaii with their kala.

    What a dream.


    While we’re at it, lets find three more teams. With UH, that wolud make eight. Enough for a conference, right?

    Since we’re dreaming!

  459. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 6:50 pm

    As usual, the politicians are silent.

  460. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 6:51 pm

    Mufi? Neil? Duke? Anyone…?

  461. Kazz August 18, 2010 6:51 pm


    I read a blurb by a poster on this blog about that and found to substance to it… yet.

    I find it hard to believe that even the Sun Belt is interested in NMSU.

  462. Da Punchbowl Kid August 18, 2010 6:52 pm


  463. A-joe August 18, 2010 6:52 pm

    Someone should seriously look into bringing up a lawsuit against the BCS and the NCAA for causing all this craziness.

    -The BCS for chumming the waters with blood money.

    -The NCAA for turning their backs and allowing all this to happen.

    All of these mid major schools are in a feeding frenzy, ripping and tearing one another to get ahead.

    Color of money has brought out the true colors in everyone: wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.

  464. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 6:52 pm

    #460 Steve. Those were rumors that didn’t come true because the MWC moved to prevent such. The MWC did a good job of protecting themselves. Even if those teams leave now, with the new teams, the MWC will still survive and even get BCS qualified, along with a new TV contract. This is what Benson hasn’t been doing. Sorry to say, we just had the wrong person in that job for way too long. Look at all the teams that left the WAC. The WAC needs a new leader with a vision for the future of the WAC and teams that are in the WAC.

  465. LizKauai (iPad) August 18, 2010 6:54 pm

    Great victories need great crises from which to emerge.

    Mahalo, Ke Akua.

  466. SteveM August 18, 2010 6:55 pm

    Repost from this morning–time sensitive

    CATTLE CALL TOMORROW – Camellia at 12:00 noon

    We have an opportunity to meet G (China) for the first time. He has been a blogger here since our first Cattle Call in March 2007 and wants to meet the people behind the blog names. He is departing Friday.

    Please RSVP here if you can attend (for approx. count).

  467. A-joe August 18, 2010 6:55 pm

    Jim Donovan: PLAY UP!


  468. LizKauai (iPad) August 18, 2010 6:56 pm

    We are fortunate to have folks like Jim Donovan and Chancellor Hinshaw at this time and place. If anyone can expand the perspective needed to find solutions for UH, they can.

  469. LizKauai (iPad) August 18, 2010 7:00 pm

    Now is the time to be united and rally around UH.

    And incorporate spiritual principles (ke ala pono) into the decision-making.

    Is it the truth?

    Will it be fair to all concerned?

    Will it build good will and better friendships?

    Will it be beneficial to all concerned?

  470. Dennis Halloran August 18, 2010 7:00 pm

    NMSU could go to CUSA. Idaho and Utah State can go back to FCS. San Jose can join them in Big Sky, and Hawaii can go … um…um..OOPS

    Boy , talk about locker room material!

  471. Dennis Halloran August 18, 2010 7:03 pm

    La Tech to CUSA

  472. Steve August 18, 2010 7:04 pm

    Here is a suggestion, from the other blog area. Football independent, or do away with, and the rest of the other sports join the Big West Conference, and renew some very old rivalries.

  473. SteveM August 18, 2010 7:05 pm

    Fresno and Reno–BAH!

    I’m even more unhappy that we put the mauka side of Aloha Stadium in the glaring sun an extra half hour in order to save them some travel expense…after Pat Hill’s crying. This must have hurt the season ticket sales this year–especially when it was announced a full extra hour before the fan survey. Grrrr… obviously I have seats on the mauka side. 😐

  474. leon August 18, 2010 7:07 pm

    If the WAC stuck together and Fresno and Nevada stayed everything would have been fine. Now Hawaii’s back is against the wall and we have no other option but to go independent or offer travel subsidies to the PAC 10 or the MWC to join. Either way is costly, but what else can be done? Will be tough in this economic times but Hawaii will persevere!

  475. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 7:10 pm

    To me, today sounds like we lost. What did we lose? Probably the WAC. I feel very down as I don’t like to lose. But yet, I tell my players, don’t make excuses because excuses are for LOSERS. Look to what we can do to improve and be better so that we don’t have to go through this pain again. After we watch a game, the victors are happy and full of joy, even though they may have made a ton of mistakes. The losers would always make excuses, like, if the official just made that call, or if that ball didn’t hit the goal, or if so and so didn’t fumble, etc. What the WAC needs to do is clean house at the top, Benson and crew. Look at the negative things that have happened. Correct the negatives to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Get new, innovative ideas or a new game plan as the old system didn’t work, to draw interest from everyone involved. Sell those ideas to the powers that be. Act on those ideas!

  476. chawan_cut August 18, 2010 7:10 pm

    tonight’s news

  477. truefan August 18, 2010 7:16 pm

    As Lizkauai said let’s unite and rally around UH.

    Fill the stadiums and Arenas, Cheer with pride and class, because that’s how we roll!!!

  478. chawan_cut August 18, 2010 7:17 pm

    I used to like going to reno for the wac bball tourney. circus circus, silver legacy, el dorado. real comfy and laid back.

    no more. reno will not be able to beat out unlv for all the tourneys.

    so much for their economy which is hurting even more now. feel sorry for all those cashiers and dealers we got to play with. don’t feel sorry for UNR or Fresno’s schools though. maybe that crybaby fresno blogger can cry about someone else’s stadium now. how does the MWC have $10 mil to buy out the quit clause that the 2 teams signed just a few days ago?

    why are we always reacting Mr. Benson? where are you btw? JD mentioned he hasn’t heard from you all day putting in phone calls and emails. too late to keep fresno or nevada. don’t you think you want to take care of the schools you have left? just a thought.

    us fans have to suffer and wait for the powers that be (or don’t be) to see what results for our teams and athletes.

  479. papajoe2 August 18, 2010 7:19 pm

    #477 Steve. I’ve been saying that since we first heard of the potential conference shakeups that were talked about a while ago. I’ve even mentioned it again earlier on today’s blog. Unfortunately, it may come true. I really didn’t want that, but I think the WAC lacks leadership in the commissioner’s office and we are being out smarted or are moving too slow to act on anything.

  480. Dennis Halloran August 18, 2010 7:25 pm

    What is the benefit to Big West to include UH. Zippo

  481. buffoman August 18, 2010 7:29 pm

    Someone smart, not Benson, should go and speak with Mr. Knight, Mr. Nike. Ask him if he would want to develop the conference once known as the WAC. In doing so, he would bring along Oregon. We would then see about paying OSU to join Oregon in the new conference.

    Pay you ask? We will have at least $10 million.

    The new conference would be:









    Keep everyone on or close to the coast. I’m sure Mr. Knight could figure out how the conference could prosper. Start with getting rid the current seat warming, do nothing, leader.

  482. roysan16 August 18, 2010 7:30 pm

    I listened to the JD’s press conference, and I could hear the sorrow and dejection in his voice. I feel for him. I think he stopped short of breaking down and crying.

    JD stood there answering questions with a heavy heart. And if there was such an option at this point for UH in weathering the storm and to see how things play out he is clinging on to that hope. I think we all are.

    But I think he also knows that if there’s no break in the storm so to speak then all the air will go out of the balloon, too.

    With last night’s celebration to today’s unraveling of the WAC it’s like going from the highest highs to the lowest lows.

    I pray that something good happens for UH athletics.

    I think I speak on behalf of a lot people in that we can suffer through agony of defeats, favorite coaches leaving, players leaving, bad calls and selection committees overlooking UH but we can’t except the fact that future generations of kids of Hawaii looking at UH have no ball to play with.

    As it stands at the moment it looks tenuous for UH. We need a good break. A good bounce. Something, please.

  483. A-joe August 18, 2010 7:30 pm


    Now more than ever we need to be steadfast, together as one.

  484. iwonderwhytheyhateme August 18, 2010 7:32 pm

    So when JD talks about “other possible conferences” to join…what conferences do you think he is talking about?

    I mean I know its not the SEC or Big 10…..

    What other conferences are there?

  485. Stretch August 18, 2010 7:35 pm

    Conference affiliation or independence will work itself out but it needs to be done NOW! Can you imagine the UH coaches going into a home to recruit a player and they ask, “where am I going to play??” Recruiting is going to take a HUGE hit with all this uncertainty. We need to act quickly and don’t look back. If we need to get out of the WAC, so be it.

  486. Dennis Halloran August 18, 2010 7:38 pm

    CUSA, coast to coast with 18 teams

  487. Ipu Man August 18, 2010 7:39 pm

    Zippo lights up really well…



    There when you need it…

  488. Garret August 18, 2010 7:43 pm


    UH dumped Nike after the 2007 season and signed with UA. Why would Nike help UH now?

  489. Garret August 18, 2010 7:46 pm


    The only conference JD could be referring to is C-USA. C-USA’s TV contract is actually 3x the WAC’s TV contract and they have a lot of former WAC schools.

    C-USA has 12 schools so it is not surprising that they told JD they are full. However, it appears that Houston will go to the MWC. If BYU goes independent or to the Big 12, then SMU or UTEP will get the final MWC spot. That would open up a second C-USA spot and then things could get interesting.

  490. RedZone August 18, 2010 7:50 pm

    What happened?????????

  491. Ipu Man August 18, 2010 7:50 pm

    Do either of the Samoa’s have a college?

  492. Garret August 18, 2010 7:51 pm


    I’m glad you remembers that C-USA plan I made up…it really is UH’s best conference option now. Add 6 teams to C-USA and form an 18-team superconference–East, Central, and West. Make it a true Conference USA.

    C-USA East

    East Carolina



    Southern Miss



    C-USA Central



    Southern Methodist



    Louisiana Tech

    C-USA West




    Utah State



    It makes sense geographically. The number of teams works out perfectly. It is *very* out of the box, so I doubt the WAC schools could be sold on it. But if anyone wants to run with this idea, it would be great for UH.

  493. wafan August 18, 2010 7:54 pm

    Good grief and a mediocre evening, at best!

  494. Ipu Man August 18, 2010 7:55 pm

    Japan has American football, such as in Waseda or Keio Universities…

    Hmmm…wonder if BYU Hawaii and UH-Hilo could field teams?…

  495. Garret August 18, 2010 7:55 pm

    I agree with Stretch that things need to be decided NOW because all of the spring and summer recruiting efforts just got thrown out the window. There is only a small window of time to get anything done.

    I’m glad that JD explored the C-USA option. Now that the dialogue has started, maybe something can happen. If C-USA says no in the end, UH has to go independent right away and find a spot for the non-football teams.

    If BYU is also looking for a spot for their non-football teams, BYU will get first choice because of their stronger men’s basketball team. The WCC invited BYU but I doubt that option is open to UH. If the Big West says no, UH cannot go independent for football. That leave a very grim alternative…no conference and no independence.

  496. wafan August 18, 2010 7:56 pm

    Dang. Definitely not pleasant to read the blog and updated headlines this evening. Ugh! What the heck happened?

    Looks like the UH got WAC’d — again.

  497. Garret August 18, 2010 7:56 pm

    Unless something good happens in the next 11 hours, I have a very depressing phone call tomorrow where it appears that months of groundwork just got rendered useless.

  498. SteveM August 18, 2010 7:57 pm

    As discussed months back, independence can be tricky. Big name D1 teams…or any D1 team, would not like to travel to Hawaii during their own conference schedule. So UH plays games on the mainland October through November…body bag games to get $$$ or maintain our own D1-A status… and bring in D-1AA teams. In Sept and December maybe we can get some D-1A’s here to play. We still have a Hawaii Bowl for Hawaii?

    Maybe the best scenario is to be in a conference, no matter what the conference looks like? How many D1-A teams do we need to play a year to maintain our own D1-A status?

    But yes, we need solidarity. I’ll back JD and the Chancellor whatever they decide…or advise the President.

  499. wafan August 18, 2010 7:59 pm

    The next few days/weeks/months will be very stressful for JD.

  500. Ipu Man August 18, 2010 7:59 pm

    Japan Universities also have great baseball and volleyball programs…

    the later especially for women.

  501. wafan August 18, 2010 8:01 pm

    I wonder how much weight the presidents actually put into the recommendations of the ADs.

  502. Ipu Man August 18, 2010 8:02 pm

    Think out of the box and think what the world will be like in the

    near future…

  503. Ipu Man August 18, 2010 8:04 pm

    In Out…

    Go Warriors and JD!

    Go Colt!

    Go Rainbows!

    There’s got to be a tomorrow…

    Good night.

  504. Manoa Mist August 18, 2010 8:05 pm

    Man, this song keeps playing in my head. The Day the Music Died.

    A long, long time ago…

    I can still remember

    How that music used to make me smile.

    And I knew if I had my chance

    That I could make those people dance

    And, maybe, they’d be happy for a while.

    But february made me shiver

    With every paper I’d deliver.

    Bad news on the doorstep;

    I couldn’t take one more step.

    I can’t remember if I cried

    When I read about his widowed bride,

    But something touched me deep inside

    The day the music died.

    So bye-bye, miss american pie.

    Drove my chevy to the levee,

    But the levee was dry.

    And them good old boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye

    Singin’, “this’ll be the day that I die.

    “this’ll be the day that I die.”

  505. Slugger August 18, 2010 8:07 pm

    Interrupting the normal programming:

    LizKauai & Mrs. d1shima,

    Tune into PBS – Broadway produciton of “South Pacific” with Loretta Ables-Sayles (sp?)

    K, back to the WAC, or not…

  506. gigi-hawaii August 18, 2010 8:07 pm


    I hope and pray that business goes the way you want it to. You worked so hard to get to where you are right now. Blessings.

  507. iwonderwhytheyhateme August 18, 2010 8:08 pm

    Manoa Mist,

    This song keeps playing in my head….

    Memories, light the corners of my mind

    Misty watercolor memories of the way we were.

    Scattered pictures of the smiles we left behind

    smiles we give to one another

    for the way we were.

    Can it be that it was all so simple then

    or has time rewritten every line?

    If we had the chance to do it all again

    tell me would we? Could we?

    Memories, may be beautiful and yet

    what’s too painful to remember

    we simply choose to forget

    So it’s the laughter we will remember

    whenever we remember

    the way we were.

  508. Slugger August 18, 2010 8:10 pm

    produciton = production, Sayles = Sayre

  509. Garret August 18, 2010 8:10 pm

    ST’s twitter said:

    If WAC doesn’t mess with BYU, does MWC make offers to FSU and Nevada?

    I think that the MWC wouldn’t have invited FSU or Nevada if the WAC didn’t go after BYU, SDSU, and UNLV. The WAC went for the MWC’s throat and many UH fans in online forums were gloating about the position BSU and the rest of the MWC was in…until the MWC completely stopped the WAC’s attempt and went for the kill for the WAC.

    The MWC’s plan was to not invite anyone except for BSU. The WAC forced the MWC to react and the MWC had to kill the WAC to hang on to BSU and the rest.

  510. Kazz August 18, 2010 8:11 pm

    RE: Rainbow Wahine Softball

    As of right now WAC softball stands to look like:




    Utah State

    San Jose State

    This may not even be enough for the WAC to earn an automatic bid for the NCAA regionals.

    Unless the WAC adds teams that field football and of course softball in this instance, UH’s softball program will have to look at hooking up with the PCC, WCC, or the Big West.

    The other option? I don’t even wanna think about it.

  511. Garret August 18, 2010 8:12 pm


    I devoted countless hours because I was going to do everything I could to try to help UH. Progress was being made, which is the most frustrating part because time ran out too quickly for anything to get done in time.

  512. al August 18, 2010 8:12 pm

    was it the wac or byu?

  513. Kazz August 18, 2010 8:13 pm

    Also, BSU softball program was looking to become a contender within a few short years so that leaves the WAC looking at three good softball programs now gone, but again, no time for softball to worry about that, the REAL concern is maintaining existance.

  514. al August 18, 2010 8:13 pm

    and where is the ncaa in all this mess?


  515. al August 18, 2010 8:13 pm

    aren’t there some kind of anti-trust laws?

  516. al August 18, 2010 8:14 pm

    would the senate be interested in the investigation of these power brokers?

    are the networks (espn in particular) to blame?

    or just the plain old mighty dollar?

  517. Kazz August 18, 2010 8:15 pm


    Money can be the root of all evil.

    There are 521 written pieces of testimony on this blog alone today that indicate that.

  518. wafan August 18, 2010 8:17 pm

    Garret . . .

    Thanks for the updates and explanations. The situation for the UH is not looking very good.

  519. Garret August 18, 2010 8:19 pm


    Benson indicated a long time ago that the WAC would be an option for BYU if they went independent and needed a place for their non-football teams. If the WAC didn’t give BYU an option for its non-football teams, BYU probably doesn’t go independent…which means that the MWC doesn’t expand.

    Even then, it appears that the MWC didn’t invite Fresno and Nevada until *after* the WAC tried to get SDSU and Nevada. Once the WAC went for the MWC’s throat, which had BSU thinking about going back to the WAC, the MWC had to kill the WAC. Only by taking Fresno and Nevada could the MWC keep BSU. Remember, BSU by itself makes the MWC pass 2 of the 3 criteria for BCS AQ status.

  520. Kazz August 18, 2010 8:22 pm


    Not ONE thing on at all.

    Granted it must be late and the optimistic side of me is telling me “maybe Ole Karl is working the phones like crazy?”

    I don’t have to be in the office until 10am tomorrow but I’ll be up at 6am waiting for any developments from ole Bobby C on 1420.

  521. Garret August 18, 2010 8:22 pm

    Without Title IX, we wouldn’t have such amazing soccer, softball, and other women’s sporting teams.

    However, with Title IX, Athletic Departments around the country could no longer break even. The only way to remain solvent is to make more money…and we see what happens.

    Title IX isn’t the only reason of course. But it has been a major factor in the financial problems for Athletic Departments. Some schools may not be able to generate enough money to pay for Athletics in today’s environment.

  522. Garret August 18, 2010 8:26 pm

    My 2 big hopes:

    1. The 3-division C-USA conference could happen. UH would immediately get a lot more money due to the bigger TV deal and travel costs would not increase due to having divisions. This unfortunately hasn’t been discussed anywhere outside the blog so it probably won’t happen.

    2. The Big West agrees to take the non-football teams from UH. UH goes independent in football and agrees to schedule the other WAC schools as often as they wish. UH could probably get more than the $400k it gets from the WAC’s TV deal.

  523. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 8:27 pm

    Well, apparently Benson contacted UH today. He’s exasperated. Thought they all agreed to stay put. All of the WAC presidents signed off on it, even though Nevada’s has amnesia.

    But nooooo.

    It’s a bidness. I guess.

  524. Garret August 18, 2010 8:30 pm


    The courts have already ruled that it is an anti-trust violation for the NCAA to control the conferences. The NCAA has to keep out or violate what the courts have already decided.

    The courts specifically said that each conference or school can negotiate its own TV deals and decide things for themselves. The MWC is doing exactly what the courts have said conferences should do. It isn’t their fault that they do it much better than Karl Benson does.

    If BYU goes independent and the MWC invites UH, would any UH fan be complaining about how the system is unfair? Or would they be like the Utah fans and politicians that insisted that the system was unfair until they were invited to the Pac-10 and became a part of the system?

  525. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 8:33 pm

    I want you all to know that I would never leave you for another blog.

  526. Kazz August 18, 2010 8:35 pm

    Ditto ST.

  527. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 8:36 pm


    Of course, it’s all situational.

    I’m a huge knicks fan. Been one for more than 40 years.

    Really wanted LeBron to play for the Knicks.

    But he didn’t.

    So now he’s a traitor and I feel for Cleveland. LOL.

  528. wafan August 18, 2010 8:36 pm

    530 and 531 . . .

    But, will you remember this later?

  529. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 8:37 pm

    Hmm. Gigi left me. But now she’s back.

    Roysan left me. Now he’s back.

    I missed them both.

    Now I don’t have to miss them.

  530. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 8:37 pm

    Even Cool Ethan is back.

  531. gigi-hawaii August 18, 2010 8:38 pm

    ST…unless flighty me leaves ya for anoddah blog…

  532. Kazz August 18, 2010 8:38 pm

    Well, apparently Benson contacted UH today. He’s exasperated. Thought they all agreed to stay put. All of the WAC presidents signed off on it, even though Nevada’s has amnesia.

    But nooooo.

    It’s a bidness. I guess.

    The bolded comment is telling.

    I think Ole Karl is a bit naive.

    He of all people should have known deep down even his own mother would have left the WAC for the MWC at the first offering.

  533. Stephen Tsai August 18, 2010 8:38 pm

    All I know is, the football team needs to win.

    That will cure all of this.

  534. Garret August 18, 2010 8:39 pm

    The MWC still has 1 or 2 openings. C-USA will have openings. The Big West might want UH’s non-football teams if enough incentive ($$$) was given.

    This isn’t over. The options just got more limited and the likelihood of things working went down, but it isn’t over yet.

    That is as positive as I’ll be able to get so I’ll hope for better news in the morning.

  535. gigi-hawaii August 18, 2010 8:41 pm


    I like the C-USA scenario that you proposed. Sounds viable to me!

  536. Kazz August 18, 2010 8:43 pm

    Stephen Tsai:

    August 18th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    All I know is, the football team needs to win.

    That will cure all of this.

    I think it may take more than that at this point.

    Maybe a shift in the Pacific Plate causing the Hawaiian Islands to be a bridge’s distance from the continental US would add to the allure of UH’s athletic program.

    Maybe it’s just me, but I always believed that even if UH had a football track record akin to Boise State’s one, conferences would STILL use the travel as a reason to go program shopping elsewhere.

  537. d1島 August 18, 2010 8:44 pm


    Thanks! let her know…Bali Hai! 🙂

  538. Bulla August 18, 2010 8:44 pm


    true blue you funny guy…..whew, what a day……JD must be drinking Pepto Bismo by the gallon and chewing ‘vitamins’ to calm his nerves. just a sad day, the realization that collegiate athletics is tainted by corporate america….that’s my statement and i’m sticking to it.

    gonna get some sleep, play a couple hours of racquetball at 5 AM in the morning, and see what the sunrise will bring…….GOOD NIGHT, SLEEP TIGHT, ST, say it ain’t right…………..haha 🙂

  539. Kazz August 18, 2010 8:46 pm


    August 18th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    just a sad day, the realization that collegiate athletics is tainted by corporate america….that’s my statement and i’m sticking to it.

    You’re preachin’ to the choir sir.

  540. Bulla August 18, 2010 8:49 pm


    i know, i hear ya……the wheels are spinning for our ohana….the unknown factor is always the most challenging….you know that……just want to move forward and help ‘the beast’ realize his dream of being a Warrior……………..Let Go and Let God……and that is how i will be able to sleep tonight 🙂

  541. SteveM August 18, 2010 8:49 pm

    RE: #534

    As I heard someone with combed hair say in a H-A spot: you don’t remember the score the day after, but you remember the people. Or something like that. Bravo.

  542. Derek August 18, 2010 8:53 pm

    The sun will come up tomorrow and dawn a new day. Yogi always said it’s never over until it’s over. First things first, beat USC, beat @ Army, beat @ Colorado and “things are looking up!” That might get some conference interested. For all intents and purposes the WAC is pretty much dead. I can’t see North Texas St., Texas State, or UC-Davis being viable options, much less Montana. Football might be okay for being independent, but I worry about the women’s program and the other men’s sports. They have to find conference homes for those programs. I don’t know if the WCC or Big West will accept UH.

    Now that Fresno and Nevada is leaving, it doesn’t make sense for BYU to join the WAC in the other sports other than football. They might as well stay in the MWC until they get invited to the Big 12, who has only 10 teams. Best bet is that TCU and BYU joining the Big 12 in the near future.

  543. Kazz August 18, 2010 9:05 pm

    If the discussion and concern of SPORTS and ATHLETIC COMPETITION played a factor, conferences like the Pacific Coast and the Big West would and should consider a nationally respected team like the Rainbow Wahine volleyball program and recently the Rainbow Wahine softball program.

    But I mean, the trend is obvious, there has been NO talks of athletic competition or sports.. It’s all business talk.

  544. kauai August 18, 2010 9:07 pm

    yep- we blew it in 2007-jj worked so hard to position us to take advantage of this realignment- but guess what we as a state, university blew it big time. I hope UH/state officials realize what they did and become proactive with hawaii sports. this is our only major sports team – and we cannot even get it together. there seems to be a lack of positive momentum since jj departure in 07- every year since its something negative- this sucks- i just dont understand how an organization can go backwards- we as fans cannot go back as well, when we tasted winning- this sucks

  545. RedZone August 18, 2010 9:10 pm

    Man JDs job just doesn’t get any easier. i am glad that he had been working on the future non conference scheduling. If we still had the other guy we would really be up the creek.

  546. Shoko August 18, 2010 9:18 pm

    Well, here’s my two cents.

    Someone asked if the WAC (Benson) did not propose or accomodate BYU’s request to join the conference in non-football sports, would the MWC make the move to invite Nevada and Fresno State? I’m sure the answer would be no. Thomas was content on nine teams and stated he wasn’t interested in any further expansion. However, Benson, in his infinite wisdom, wanted to tempt his fate and didn’t give much of a choice to Thomas when he said ‘yes’ to an invitation to BYU. Why would Benson even try to pilfer the MWC? I remember a few months ago when Benson declared that there will be no WAC expansion after Boise’s exit and there was a possibility that an ex-WAC school could rejoin the conference. My first thought was a C-USA school like UTEP, not someone from the MWC, as a move would only incite reaction from Thomas. Remember, as soon as Boise accepted the invite, Nevada and Fresno State were making inquiries. It was pretty clear they wanted in the MWC. So, again, I ask why would Benson entertain BYU’s interest when a move such as that would only hurt the MWC’s chances of getting an AQ status?

  547. Kazz August 18, 2010 9:21 pm


    But my only question is who actually believed the MWC’s commissioner words back then?

  548. Kazz August 18, 2010 9:24 pm

    What the heck am I going to do without looking forward to UH sports?


    Guess I could just pick up drinking as a hobby…. 🙄

  549. online jobs August 18, 2010 9:24 pm

    Keep up the amazing work!! I love how you wrote this and I also like the colors here on this site. did you create this yourself or did you outsource it to a coder??

  550. wafan August 18, 2010 9:27 pm


    Hope things look a lot brighter for UH in the morning!!!

  551. Shoko August 18, 2010 9:28 pm

    I don’t think Benson or anyone else for that matter had a choice in believing Thomas’ words of no further action. Thomas and the MWC had control of all the strings. Again, why tempt fate when there are other schools that no longer wanted to me in the WAC (i.e. Nevada and Fresno State) when Boise left? When you don’t have the leverage in a situation, you don’t try to make a move that would cause the exit of two WAC members. It’s like poking a stick at a caged lion. You’re asking for trouble.

  552. Kazz August 18, 2010 9:35 pm


    In softball/baseball terms, seems like Benson’s ego took a hit, braddah must read message boards and blogs, went for the long ball when he could have bunted with a runner at 2nd with no outs, and now the WAC is at 2 outs with someone batting .111 up to the plate.

  553. Slugger August 18, 2010 9:35 pm

    Hope springs eternal…JD does have his work cut out for him, and there’s so much out of his control … Good luck to him & whoever is working on this.

  554. Shoko August 18, 2010 9:44 pm


    Good analogy. 😉

  555. BG August 18, 2010 9:45 pm

    Wow! Over 500 posts today. Lots of energy spent. I think I’ll use Majam’s amazing example and believe that we aren’t given situations that we can’t handle…as long as we have the faith to move forward and do what it takes. Tomorrow’s another day. JD will come up with a course of action that will need support. When that happens, the Tsaikos will be first in line. Until then, why worry? Nothing is accomplished at our level no matter what we think or say as individuals. JMO

  556. cocobean August 18, 2010 9:49 pm

    2012 Football Schedule:

    1st game: 1st annual (corporate sponser i.e Toyota) Tokyo Bowl UH v Navy,Army,Air Force or Pac 12 school

    games 2-5: D1 schools 2 home 2 away

    games 6-11: 5 remaining WAC schools + 1 D2 hopefully 4 home 2 away

    games 12-13: D1 schools without conference playoff 2 home

    8 home games – 4 away – Tokyo

  557. RedZone August 18, 2010 9:54 pm

    I wonder how this will affect the Hawaii bowl. I would not want to go if there was a MWC team playing in it. Maybe if BYU goes independent then we could see a UH vs BYU matchup. That would draw a crowd.

  558. LizKauai (iPad) August 18, 2010 10:31 pm

    #497- I like this ispdea, Garret!

    Well, titey nite and sweet solidarity dreams!

  559. whitey August 18, 2010 10:54 pm

    Really can’t add much to what has already been posted, but I do travel a lot and was planning to go to Reno, but from tonight on, will boycott any trip to Reno and when the casinos come here to promote their properties, politely tell them there are other places who can provide me the same services and i don’t have to worry about getting shafted (using polite words, of course).

  560. SteveM August 18, 2010 10:55 pm

    Repost from earlier today–time sensitive

    CATTLE CALL TOMORROW – Camellia (McCully) at 12:00 noon

    We have an opportunity to meet G (China) for the first time. He has been a blogger here since our first Cattle Call in March 2007 and wants to meet the people behind the blog names. He is departing Friday.

    Please RSVP here if you can attend (for approx. count).

  561. whitey August 18, 2010 10:56 pm

    From tomorrow on, I will tell my friends to boycott Reno.

  562. whitey August 18, 2010 10:58 pm

    I don’t want to wish anything bad on anybody, but sometime in the near future, I hope the fruit flies establish themselves in Fresno.

  563. Curt August 18, 2010 11:04 pm

    Sniff-sniff. 🙁

  564. Curt August 18, 2010 11:09 pm

    It wasn’t a very good day today. WAC falls apart, Colt tosses 2 interceptions, RGM gets cut by the Dolphins. Time to go to bed and look forward to a new day tomorrow. I’ll get the lights.

  565. whitey August 18, 2010 11:10 pm

    Let’s see if the profs and students at the Gov John Burns Law School can come up with ideas or solutions. Personally, I dont’ think they can because they have no idea or clue as to who is Gov Burns and what he did to insure UH athletics to become a member of a major conference. The work, passion, and pride that Governor Burns should fire up the profs and students, but they lack the spirit and backbone.

  566. whitey August 18, 2010 11:15 pm

    As Stan Sheriff expounded about thinking big and not small is very true and this has contributed to the downfall of the WAC. Of course our legislators are small thinkers when it comes to UH.

  567. whitey August 18, 2010 11:17 pm

    ok, nuff for tonite. Sunshine will be there in the morning to warm all of you.

  568. SteveM August 18, 2010 11:22 pm

    g’nite whitey and Curt!

  569. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc August 18, 2010 11:59 pm



    August 18th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Is hasn’t been brought up yet, but this goes beyond just UH, for example what happens with Aloha Stadium if there is no UH football? Millions have already been spent on its renovation. It supposedly will be a hub for rail when it gets built. The cost to the state will be enormous.

    Jeff is right- Da Beegest Loser is gonna be the taxpayers of Hawai`i if some good people in the private sector do not step forward.

  570. Rasu Begasu August 19, 2010 12:00 am

    Looks like BYU will go indie on their own network to

    “Spread the Faith”, smart move for a school that puts the church above all other issues.

  571. Rasu Begasu August 19, 2010 12:06 am

    I wonder why the WAC is always the Charlie Brown in the NCAA.

    No respect, always a bridesmaid, just a stepping stone for bigger and better conferances.

    Every time the WAC tries to kick a football, Lucy pulls it away at the last second and we fall

    flat on our back and wonder what happened.

  572. PowderPuff August 19, 2010 12:07 am

    Some of us have been planning to go to the UH-Fresno State game in less than 2 months. I for one don’t feel like depositing a penny into Fresno anywhere – even for a hotel room! But we need to support our team…so okay, maybe.

  573. Rasu Begasu August 19, 2010 12:14 am

    Without a strong WAC,I see UH as a traveling team.

    Maybe 4 home games and invited to 9 away games all during Home Coming week.

    You know, the home teams best chance to win.

  574. Rasu Begasu August 19, 2010 12:15 am


    Take plenny Cup O’ Ramen

    and a rice cooker

    To Fresno

  575. SteveM August 19, 2010 12:29 am

    Rasu Begasu — that’s the worst case scenario as an Independent. I see 5 home games (2 against D-1AA) and 8 away games….unless the NCAA will give a Hawaii exemption to start the season in mid-August and end mid-December. Then we might get 7 home games. 🙁

  576. WHACKtheWAC August 19, 2010 1:19 am

    Someone above posted something about the “Gov John Burns Law School”…LOL, the law school bears the name of william s richardson, not john burns! wtf?

  577. Michigan Warrior August 19, 2010 3:16 am

    This song keeps playing in Benson’s head… (as he’s doing the waltz with himself in front of a mirror)

    Que sera, sera

    Whatever will be, will be

    The future’s not our to see,

    Que sera, sera…

    What will be, will be

  578. Mad Dog August 19, 2010 9:08 am

    Boise, Fresno, and Nevada are gone. There isn’t much we can do about that. We have to look to the future to see what is best for the Hawaii sports program, not what is best for the WAC.

    It seems that money is the driving force against Hawaii joining another conference. No one wants to consistantly travel to play Hawaii. Hawaii’s market doesn’t bring in the bucks for the sports networks.

    How can we get the funds? Will a NFL team or the NFL itself “sponsor” Hawaii? Should Hawaii offer the PAC 10, 12, whatever that the member teams travel to Hawaii only once every three years instead of every other year to play us? In other words, Hawaii will become real road warriors.

    Anyone else have other out of the box suggestions?

  579. Mad Dog August 19, 2010 9:20 am

    I’m so far back in reading WB that I posted my comment on yesterdays page. I’m reposting my comment to stir the pot and draw out more comments.

    Boise, Fresno, and Nevada are gone. There isn’t much we can do about that. We have to look to the future to see what is best for the Hawaii sports program, not what is best for the WAC.

    It seems that money is the driving force against Hawaii joining another conference. No one wants to consistantly travel to play Hawaii. Hawaii’s market doesn’t bring in the bucks for the sports networks.

    How can we get the funds? Will a NFL team or the NFL itself “sponsor” Hawaii? Should Hawaii offer the PAC 10, 12, whatever that the member teams travel to Hawaii only once every three years instead of every other year to play us? In other words, Hawaii will become real road warriors.

    Anyone else have other out of the box suggestions?

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