Real Tuesday

From today’s game-plan Tuesday (which was held on a Tuesday):

• Defensive tackle Geordon Hanohano was used as the left guard on point-after kicks today.

• Billy Ray Stutzmann is likely to remain at left slotback.

• Right wideout Royce Pollard said he expects to play this week despite a tight right hamstring. If not, Terence Bell or Trevor Davis will start at right wideout. Davis practiced with the first-team offense today. Here are some of Davis’ catches:




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Sign of the times:



  1. Garret October 18, 2011 5:25 am

    I hope that the kick-protection is fixed!

  2. Garret October 18, 2011 5:27 am

    If it was so easy to fix the kick protection so quickly…why were there multiple breakdowns during week 7 of the season? I will be happy if Mack’s pledge comes true and UH doesn’t have anymore blocked kicks, but Mack made it seem like there were specific things UH could do to fix the problem that make one wonder why it didn’t happen before.

  3. Garret October 18, 2011 5:28 am

    I’m guessing that concerns over NMSU’s kick returner will lead to an added reason for the coaches to have UH kickoff short and high again this week.

  4. Garret October 18, 2011 5:29 am

    The top 5 tech companies would not move to Hawaii because:

    -We’re isolated

    -We don’t have adequate business infrastructure

    -no favorable business laws

    -no peers for them to network with

    -no readily available capital.

    Many tech companies that have started up in Hawaii eventually outgrow the island confines and move closer to either one of three things:




    Both Boise and Utah offer favorable tax incentives for businesses than Hawaii. Being closer to markets than we are also helps.

    There are flat out economics we just can’t compete with globally. But, rather than worry about the battles we can’t win, we should look to our strengths and dominate the markets we can.

    I agree 100% with A-Joe. The key is emphasizing Hawaii’s assets to grow businesses that can flourish in Hawaii. The ag-tech business is a great example, and A-Joe is correct that many advances in that area have come from Hawaii.

    There are some areas of the tech industry that could benefit from Hawaii’s location and unique assets. I spent a lot of time looking at this when I was asked by WassupDoc and the Hawaii Legislature to come up with a list and document the reasons why those tech industries would want to establish locations in Hawaii.

    There are some fundamental reasons why that effort and other tech efforts haven’t attracted that many businesses and why growing businesses that start in Hawaii tend to move out of state. Location (space and cost of real estate), lack of tax incentives compared with other states, a greater concern over traffic increases than adding jobs, and no overarching vision by the state or local governments are some of the barriers.

  5. hillmok October 18, 2011 5:29 am

    I think moving Stutzman to wide is an excellent idea Darius Bright has been non effective. There were high hopes for this guy but apparently he just does not get it done! All size that’s it no ball and route skills. They should start clap and Jeremiah at slot.

  6. Garret October 18, 2011 5:31 am

    According to this, BYU is softening their TV demands with the Big 12. When (not if) Missouri leads, BYU could bring the Big 12 back to 10 teams if things can be worked out with replay rights for TV. Replay rights on BYUTV could basically decide how strong the conference will be that UH is joining next year.

    Apparently BYU got back into the picture near the end of last week, when the LDS Church began to realize the landscape of college football is changing faster than they had anticpated. And if the Big 12 were to move on without the Cougars in this round of expansion they could find themselves without a conference home.

    While some felt that independence would enable the Church to expand their regional footprint, not being able to compete at the highest level would be their future if they didn’t change their plans. As we’d mentioned last week on this site, BYU and the Big 12 have never stopped talking, and with it looking more and more like Mizzou would bolt to the SEC, the BYU administration softened their hardcore stance on independence.

  7. Garret October 18, 2011 5:32 am

    I agree that Darius Bright has been having troubles adjusting to the offense. He might need another spring training and fall camp to fully get comfortable, so I wouldn’t give up on him yet because he could be 100x better next season.

  8. Garret October 18, 2011 5:34 am

    Looks like the Raiders will get their QB and Cincy will get the value they have been looking for from Palmer.

    The Raiders & Bengals are close to a trade that would send Carson Palmer to OAK for a first-rounder in 2012 and a conditional pick in future!/jayglazer/status/126296433166004224

  9. WarriorNY October 18, 2011 5:36 am

    Hey all,

    Vote for Greg Salas for NFL rookie of the week…

  10. Kekoa October 18, 2011 5:38 am

    Good Tuesday morning Garret!

    Ah yes. The kicking drama continues this weekend. Let’s at least get it as high as possible so our coverage crew can get downfield to contain. Please and thank you!

  11. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 5:39 am

    I think Bright’s turf toe was — and is — a factor.

  12. Garret October 18, 2011 5:40 am

    Good morning Kekoa! I was off the blog yesterday because I spent a day in one of those environments where I didn’t have a computer, access to the internet, and they even had to take my phone away because it had a camera on it. It is nice to have some free time to blog after all the work I did on the weekend.

  13. WarriorNY October 18, 2011 5:42 am

    Is Bright still suffering from Turf Toe? What about Allen Sampson? Why shake up the whole receiving corps?

  14. Garret October 18, 2011 5:45 am

    Someone crunched the numbers and found that the Big East with the additions they are rumored to be getting would be the #3 conference in Sagarin, ahead of the Big 10, ACC, and Pac-12. If the Big 12 takes Louisville, the Big East’s numbers actually go up since Louisville has the lowest computer rank in the Big East.

    However, if the Big 12 goes to 12 schools, then the Big East is going to be hurt badly. They could replace those spots with 1-2 CUSA/MWC teams and still be the #5 conference, though.

    I hope that this all just ends soon after Missouri goes to the SEC, the Big 12 makes their decision (my guess is they stay at 10 until they can get paid for a title game under a new TV contract), and the Big East’s situation is settled.

  15. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 5:45 am


    Excellent points about the business atmosphere.

    Just read an article about “delayed gratification: the ability to save and invest today for a better tomorrow …”

    There’s such a money grab (through taxes) that it hinders business. I think Hawaii needs to foster a pro-business climate that will pay off in the future through more jobs; the government can recoup the money through income tax from the newly employed.

    OK, wait. That just sounded like trickle-down economics.

  16. Garret October 18, 2011 5:47 am

    One thing that I did NOT like during the MWC/CUSA merger press conference is that they talked about how they wanted MWC teams to play crossover games against CUSA teams. So, instead of playing nonconference games against Pac-12 schools and service academies like JD has been scheduling now, they want UH to play home-and-home nonconference games with schools like Marshall, Memphis, and Southern Miss that are on the other side of the country!

  17. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 5:48 am

    Re: Stutzmann.

    Being that were such a sharp media group, none of us asked the follow-up question: Which wideout position will Stutzmann play?

    That’s what happens when a room full of reporters are focusing on asking the next kick-protection question instead of listening to Mack’s updates.

  18. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 5:50 am


    Hopefully, the crossovers are a suggestion and not a mandate.

    And, hopefully for UH, the crossovers don’t include travel subsidies.

  19. Garret October 18, 2011 5:54 am


    During the oil downturn in the 80s, the state of Texas realized that they couldn’t rely so heavily on the oil industry (kind of like Hawaii relies on tourism). So, they gave tax incentives for high-tech companies to relocate to Texas and the city of Austin gave out sweetheart lease deals for land in areas that didn’t have much going on (similar to certain places on Oahu that don’t have high population density).

    The state didn’t lose any money because the tax incentives were geared to the number of full-time jobs created by the high-tech relocation. They made their money back within a year and then had a highly-paid workforce driving their economic growth. The city of Austin didn’t lose any money because the land that the companies were on wasn’t bringing in any money anyway, but the sales taxes spent on goods by all the new people drove the city’s economic growth. All the construction and expansion created tons of other jobs also.

  20. letsgowarriors October 18, 2011 5:57 am

    im sure stutz will be moved to Z/RWR.

  21. Garret October 18, 2011 5:58 am


    Hopefully, the crossovers are a suggestion and not a mandate.

    And, hopefully for UH, the crossovers don’t include travel subsidies.


    One specific quote that bothered me was when the commissioners said that there wouldn’t be crossover games in the first year or two but seemed to state that crossover games would be required to drive up the value of the next TV deal. UH may not get any money from the TV deal but will have to fly across the country to play CUSA teams.

    The MWC’s commissioner sure was quick to make it clear that UH will be paying travel subsidies even after the merger. Thompson gave no room for UH to ask for anything…and if he succeeds in killing WAC football then UH will have no choice.

  22. WarriorNY October 18, 2011 6:01 am

    The crossover games would make no sense for me. I’m still confused on where the MWC-CUSA title game would be played. Team with better record? The MWC would have an advantage because of the Hawaii exemption. Neutral location? What if Hawaii wins MWC?


    When we move to MWC, is the Hawaii Bowl still going to have a CUSA team? Wouldn’t that be a bit redundant?

  23. Garret October 18, 2011 6:02 am

    Frankly, if the 5 MWC/CUSA teams leave for the Big East as rumored and the MWC/CUSA merger will require UH to play CUSA teams with no extra money going to UH, I’d really like for JD to look at staying in the WAC. No travel subsidies, a contract that is currently being renegotiated with ESPN, UH keeping all its PPV money, should at least be looked at.

    UH could try to convince Fresno/Nevada/UNLV/SDSU to move to the WAC. NM/Wyoming/CSU don’t bring any strength to the conference and don’t benefit UH. Thinking from a purely UH-centric position, if BSU and Air Force leave then UH might come out ahead by staying in the WAC.

    Does UH have to pay the MWC’s exit fee if they never joined the MWC yet?

  24. Garret October 18, 2011 6:04 am


    The other problem with the title game is that ESPN owns the rights to the CUSA title game FOR FREE for the next 5 years. If the CUSA stops having a title game but sends a team to the MWC/CUSA title game, then I bet that ESPN’s lawyers will get that game on ESPN for free.

    Plus, a title game really kills the Hawaii Exemption by taking away a bye week for every conference member.

  25. Kekoa October 18, 2011 6:05 am

    Garret & A-Joe ~

    Re: Biz in this State.

    ~ The unions are an important factor in stifling jobs in the State.

    ~ I’ve been told that they (the State) just don’t have the money to pay for our automated services.

    ~ Instead, Ive been offered *virtual* dollars to pay for our services! I said, WTH is that?! The finance director says, you do the work now, and we pay you virtual dollars that you can cash in at a later date!

    ~ When exactly is later?…uhhh we’ll get back to you on that.

    Hey! It’s a a real Barnum & Bailey Circus in this State Garret. I have more examples of some really sorry excuses I’ve heard from ‘other’ departments, but it won’t help solve our UH kicking game.

  26. Kekoa October 18, 2011 6:08 am

    Garret ~ To be fair, at least our Solar biz is doing fine. Thanks to our beautiful sunshine, and not the eggheads who run the puzzle palace downtown!

  27. WarriorNY October 18, 2011 6:12 am


    Good points. Damned if we do, Damned if we don’t.

  28. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 6:17 am

    So, my MTV/HBO idea isn’t looking so silly anymore, is it?

  29. LizKauai (iPhone) October 18, 2011 6:23 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    Have great Tuesday

  30. jm2375 October 18, 2011 6:24 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Happy Tuesday!

    Looking forward to this weekend – football, 2 vb games, Homecoming Fair and possibly, a musical at the campus situated mauka of UH ( 😀 ). All with da 5 Fs.

  31. Wes'side Warrior October 18, 2011 6:28 am

    Good morning/afternoon, everyone!

    Looking forward to a solid week of practices, followed by a solid game this weekend. Everyone take care of business, and build week to week to our Bowl Game. Enough drama already.

    All of this stupid conference merry-go-round stuff is frustrating and distracting. There is no loyalty to anything anymore, aside from the dollar. Then, we got people like ESPN meddling in the middle of everything. Stinking TV needs to back off and stop interfering in the college landscape. The BCS and TV has destroyed everything. Everyone is so cutthroat now, it’s ridiculous.

    And, something has been wrong with our state for so long, concerning any kind of forward-thinking vision. Wish everyone could be voted out, both at the state and federal levels. But then again, those uku-bazillion lobbyists will just stick their hand and money into the pot and corrupt the next batch of We-the-People-Reps.

  32. Wes'side Warrior October 18, 2011 6:32 am

    #28… ST…

    Who said your MTV/HBO idea was silly? Especially if we can make use of our resources at UH, I think it’s a great approach to further our exposure. I also like how Australia is getting to see more of UH. We can continue the international exposure too, through UH Athletics and Academics. Just gotta get the right departments involved, and make a big push on research grants too.

  33. d1shima October 18, 2011 6:41 am

    Great Morning All!

    Nice to wake up back on da Aina. 🙂

    Get the “special” back in Special Teams and move on.



  34. Shoko October 18, 2011 6:54 am

    Morning folks!

    WAC came out with their preseason rankings. Thought I would post it here.

    Coaches Poll:

    1. Nevada (5), 46

    2. New Mexico State, 41

    3. Utah State (3), 38

    4. Hawaii, 32

    5. Idaho, 24

    6. Fresno State, 18

    7. San Jose State, 14

    8. Louisiana Tech, 11

    All-WAC Coaches First Team:

    Deonte Burton, So., G, Nevada

    Vander Joaquim, Jr., C, Hawaii

    Zane Johnson, Sr., G, Hawaii

    Wendell McKines, Sr., F, New Mexico State

    Brockeith Pane, Sr., G, Utah State

    Second Team:

    Kyle Barone, Jr., C, Idaho

    Dario Hunt, Sr., F, Nevada

    Hernst Laroche, Sr., G, New Mexico State

    Brady Jardine, Sr., F, Utah State

    Malik Story, Jr., G, Nevada

    Preseason Player of the Year:

    Deonte Burton, Nevada

    Media Poll:

    1. Utah State (13), 174

    2. Nevada (5), 162

    3. New Mexico State (3), 150

    4. Hawaii (3), 126

    5. Idaho, 89

    6. San Jose State, 66

    7. Fresno State, 59

    8. Louisiana Tech, 38

    All-WAC Media First Team

    Deonte Burton, So., G, Nevada

    Dario Hunt, Sr., F, Nevada

    Zane Johnson, Sr., G, Hawai`i

    Wendell McKines, Sr., F, New Mexico State

    Brockeith Pane, Sr., G, Utah State

    Preseason Player of the Year:

    Brockeith Pane, Sr., G, Utah State

    Newcomer of the Year: Shaquille Stokes, Fr., G, HawaiiComments

  35. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 7:00 am

    Shucks. There goes my Bob Toledo interview.

  36. Slugger October 18, 2011 7:04 am

    Good morning, gang!

    ST ~ Thanks for the practice info. Guess I won’t be late then.

    K, laters…

  37. Shoko October 18, 2011 7:06 am

    Interesting tidbit about Coach Pete’s contract. I bring this up only because of the talk of Coach Mac’s contract.

  38. Garret October 18, 2011 7:06 am

    Tech jobs sure change the payroll levels (and tax base) for San Diego…

    The results show that while technology companies made up only 6.2 percent of the region’s businesses in 2010, they generated 20.8 percent of the region’s payroll.

    The reason is higher wages. The report found that annual wages among technology companies averaged $93,800 in 2010. That’s 86 percent higher than $50,500 overall average wage in the county.

    The report noted that if wages from technology firms were excluded from the countywide payroll data, the average wage locally would dip to $45,000.

  39. Da Punchbowl Kid October 18, 2011 7:27 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂

    #33 –

    Lines 3, 4 and 5 – +1.

  40. CoolEthan October 18, 2011 7:32 am

    Our Country needs to create a major breakthrough in technology.

    Upgrading devices that allows a faster download of Lady Gaga isn’t going to do it.

    The turn of the century from the 1800 period to 1900 was one of the heaviest of innovations period to record.

    Emphasis on U.S. History needs to re-implemented back into the public school system. It was downgraded around 20 years ago with the U.S. Dept. of Education.

  41. WarriorNY October 18, 2011 7:33 am


    Your HBO/MTV idea is good idea. Though, I think it would be unfair to the players to not get paid for appearing.

  42. haka October 18, 2011 8:10 am

    The Warrior kicking protectors just need to…

    Be the immovable object!

    Be the impenetrable force!

    Just MAN UP and BLOCK’EM!

    Go Warriors!

  43. A.M. October 18, 2011 8:22 am

    I think moving Stuzman to Wideout would be a good thing. I also think moving Sampson to Slot should be explored because he’s shown the guts (& hands) to be effective across the middle. (His physical stature also seems to be more suited for Slot than WR.)

  44. Couch potato October 18, 2011 8:23 am

    still talking about the kicking game eh. last season, the Warriors were 71 for 71 in extra point kicks. just saying.

  45. chopsueyboy October 18, 2011 8:26 am

    I know kicking is part of special teams,

    but why can’t the regular offensive line block for field goals and point after touchdown?

  46. Hilo-Warrior October 18, 2011 8:31 am

    From what I saw on the video lastnight when I watched the Coach Mack Show is the lineman who line up to block their feet are all reversed from how I was taught when I played and how we coach our players in high school. For Hawaii the guard and Tackles inside feet are behind the inside man. So the guards inside foot is behind the centers feet and the Tackle is behind the Guards outside foot. Which makes it easier to penetrate because if you were to attack inside it is easier to move the linemans shoulders. We teach to put you inside foot forward because it is easier to protect the inside and it makes it harder for the blockers to get in.

    Also when I watch replays of the blocks the blockers are getting in between the guard and center. I am not blaming the center so much as I am the left guard. When you block for pat’s you have to stay low and protect the inside gap. Do not let anyone in your gap. Well when I watch the replays it looks like the left guard is pass blocking. Reason for it looking that way is because he stands up to block instead of staying low.

    I am not so sure why Hawaii is set up the way they are and why no one has seen that and figured it out yet?

  47. NaKoaMike October 18, 2011 8:36 am

    The 10/17 lunch report is now up.

  48. Couch potato October 18, 2011 8:36 am

    Hilo-Warrior, the opponents have seen it and they figured it out.

  49. haka October 18, 2011 8:41 am

    #44 couch potato

    what are you saying?

  50. Couch potato October 18, 2011 8:46 am

    haka, also saying:

    2009 34 for 34

    2008 41 for 43

    2007 70 for 74

    Can’t make em all. but it was a good streak in 2009-2010.

  51. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 8:49 am

    So Tulane Head Coach Bob Toledo has been fired mid season…hmm

  52. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 8:51 am

    I also don’t remember our blocked kicks being run back this many times in only 6-7 games.

  53. markazulu October 18, 2011 8:58 am

    I think we have a lot of talent at our receiver position an I’m still not giving up on bright I think it be pretty good to have it like we did in 06 were we play an sub in receivers. I think moving Stutz would be good but I dont know he’s been pretty productive the last few games but I do think Clapp an Ostrowski both should start an so does Stutz.

  54. Hilo-Warrior October 18, 2011 8:59 am

    52. I can only remember that happening one other time. The Boise State loss in 2005 when that was the deciding 2 points of the game.

  55. Couch potato October 18, 2011 9:01 am

    iwonderwhytheyhateme, would be worse if they were pick six’s.

  56. Stretch October 18, 2011 9:05 am

    For punt protection, is it really necessary to have 3 lineman in the backfield? You only have 7 guys going out for punt coverage. If it’s really necessary to have 3 guys back there, how about linebackers who can get out quicker on coverage. They are a more agile than the lineman in case the returner breaks through the first wave of defenders.

    This comes to mind thinking about the blocked PAT. The lineman couldn’t catch a guy with a pulled hammy.

    I know protection comes first for PAT/FG, but punt coverage can always use more guys getting down field.

  57. Couch potato October 18, 2011 9:05 am

    how many toes get left for shoot?

    protect the feet!


    GO WAHINE! beat the Irish fairy again.

  58. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 9:06 am


    true. and it could be worse if it were a pick six and a starter got injured.

    point is, its still bad.

  59. Couch potato October 18, 2011 9:08 am

    Stretch, because they might be afraid of getting a punt blocked?

  60. Couch potato October 18, 2011 9:13 am

    okay, i pau for now on the kicking subject since coach is going to finally fix the leak. i look forward to well played game this week.

    any recruit(s) news?

  61. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 9:15 am

    I’ve heard we are going to fix the problem after every game the entire season.

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

  62. Couch potato October 18, 2011 9:18 am

    hope the fix isn’t like Hawaii’s sewer pipes. fix one and another breaks.

  63. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 9:20 am


    Haha, I hope not.

  64. Couch potato October 18, 2011 9:21 am

    i pau, i pau.

    what activities take place on the Manoa campus during homecoming week? bonfire? effigy burning? parade? dance? crowning of the homecoming king and queen?

  65. madeinhawaii October 18, 2011 9:26 am

    Morning…. New week.. new game… thank goodness for that.

  66. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 9:27 am


    Yes. It’s like the Burning Man festival without the nudity.

  67. Stretch October 18, 2011 9:28 am

    Couch Potato – I agree about protecting the punter but I haven’t seen 3 guys rushing the punter yet. If 2 come in, I hope 3 linebackers can handle them. Most times, it’s only 1. All I am saying is it really necessary to have lineman back there? All the guys have to do is slow down the rush, not block them for extended periods. For coverage after the punt, it might be more beneficial to have linebackers?

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  69. A-joe October 18, 2011 9:42 am

    In ’01 a friend and I had chance to meet a rep from UH’s OTTED department. OTTED was in charge of taking ideas developed at UH and finding companies that would develop it. He showed me a whole bunch of innovative ideas coming out UH.

    There were several major problems that hindered OTTED from making anything happen:

    -Upper UH management gave them limited authority to push any technology

    -state offices in general are restricted to advertise their wares the conventional way

    -contracts between UH and professors over idea rights were flawed

    -OTTED existed in a system plagued with mismanagement

    At the time, they had only one idea being marketed; A silo that burned and compacted green waste into high grade commercial charcoal. Makers of Kingsford Charcoal was interested. A local firm eventually secured the local rights to use the technology.

    One blaring concern we noticed was most of the ideas being developed at UH had no immediate market value. It was like, “I have a solution. Now, let’s go look for a problem to solve.” Kind of ass backwards to me.

    We suggested a system be set up at UH where you, me or any company can approach UH with a real world problem and partner up to find a solution. UH would supply it’s research capabilities. We’d have to find funding and justify a market. Any royalties generated would shared between UH and said parties.

    OTTED and UH tried it for awhile but, it floundered because:

    -UH couldn’t advertise to let everyone know about the program.

    -professors didn’t want to work on someone else’s ideas other than their own.

    I mentioned the OTTED rep every month I’d see in both Popular Science and Mechanics the latest innovations coming out of UC San Diego in a variety of sciences and disciplines. How in the world are they doing it. Why can’t UH and OTTED do the same. The OTTED rep told us they had a limited budget to even do such a press release.

    I’m glad to currently see MRC Greenwood trying to emulate the successful system San Diego universities and the surrounding business community have developed. Those universities have pumped out both innovative ideas (which turn into viable companies) and a high end workforce to support it.

    San Diego’s success has created a quandary. This past February the San Diego area listed over 8000 job openings in the information-technology, mechanical and electrical engineering fields. San Diego has two basic problems from attracting a higher end workforce:

    -Cost of living

    -Stigma of being a beach town.

    (Sounds familiar?)

    I would love to have San Diego’s dilemma right now. It’s not far fetch either. We all just have to work together to make it happen. Currently, there’s a working model in a local company that’s doing just that. Oceanit. They’ve developed several successful ideas that have spun off into separate companies.

  70. SteveM October 18, 2011 9:43 am

    Good morning everyone!

    The remainder of the season began last Saturday…

    Go Warriors!

  71. Bulla October 18, 2011 9:57 am

    aloha everyone,

    always good to be back in the 808. watched the UH game while in America, ouch….. can’t we tackle someone who pulls their hamstring 50 yards from the endzone?

    congrats D-1 on the wildcats up in the PNW, the other wildcats pulled out a victory also 39-12.

    ‘the beast’ is back and happy to be on the field again, evolving from ‘the beast’ to the ‘bionic man’, haha. 2 QB sacks, 2 Tackles for Loss, and recovered a blocked punt 35 yards downfield…. he is having F-U-N 🙂

  72. Rupert Heldenbrand October 18, 2011 10:00 am

    I’ve usually applied normal suspension and just kept it up to scratch and revalved for my weight – what would you advise from that link?

  73. (Jesse) James October 18, 2011 10:05 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!!!

    #52 and #54….I also only remember that happening to Hawaii twice in one game and that the was the 2005 Boise game….Now that was heartbreak because we had them beat….Aiyaaaahhhh…

    #69 A-Joe…totally agree. A bunch of my friends were/are involved in Oceanit and were there from the beginning…one being the owner of the company. A lot of them are ND grads….good guys and innovative thinkers…

  74. bigislandkurt October 18, 2011 10:08 am

    Sweet contract for Boise’s coach Petersen. He deserves it. I’m sure there is nobody in Idaho huffing about the football coach being the highest paid state employee in Idaho. But then again, there’s always a few. I’m sure most folks are cool with the fact that this coach will make over 2 mil per year in 2016 so long as they keep winning. Winning cures all. So long as they keep being….uhhh….Boise, then coach will be happily compensated.

    By the way, they are 5th in the current BCS poll.

    20 years ago, who woulda thunk it? Boise folks probably did. Funny how a “bad” season nowadays is when they lose one or two games and don’t go to a BCS bowl.

    By lowering my expectations for the warriors, i have come to accept the reality that In the world of big boy football, we will never be a Boise. By doing so, I’ve never felt better!

    Go Warriors!


  75. Couch potato October 18, 2011 10:25 am

    Stretch, don’t get me wrong, i agree with your points. it has everything to do with the special team coaches.

    the reason i think the Warriors employ that formation is because they supposedly have a kicker who can boot it 50+ yards with hang time allowing the tacklers to get downfield in their coverage areas. the formation is conservative but does have maximum protection. not sure who the ends are in the formation but they should be one of your faster players.

    the good thing is the punting hasn’t been in the news about correctable mistakes, the bad news is where are those 50+ yards punts?

    okay, pau now for kicking. 😆

  76. money magic October 18, 2011 10:26 am Please help me figure this video out

  77. madeinhawaii October 18, 2011 10:27 am


    I gotta agree with you on that point. UH will never be like Boise because they cannot think like Boise. They finally put up a million dollar salary for a HC. Now they are dissatisfied with that contract. They do not think that their HC is worth his salary. They want to cut it by 45%. Is a 1.1 million too much for a good HC? If you want to compete, it isn’t. Meanwhile, our Associate and Assistant Coaches aren’t exactly dining in designer wear, either. I can understand if they don’t feel that Coach Mack is worth 1.1 million. BUT if they really wanted to move this program forward, then shouldn’t they be looking for that coach that they feel IS worthy of 1.1 million instead of simply cutting his pay? If, however, they think he’s good enough for our program, are they saying that our program should wallow in the arena that most 600K HC coaches play in?

    Just saying..

  78. Bulla October 18, 2011 10:27 am


    would you say you lowered your expectations or just faced reality… i hear you, hurts a lot, but it is a realization that we will never get to the promised land…… with that said, our coach’s contract should be carefully reviewed and analyzed by not only those at Upper Campus, but also a disinterested 3rd party consultant. this is to insure that we are getting a fair ROI for the investment being made. it’s business, and collegiate sports is big business.

  79. madeinhawaii October 18, 2011 10:28 am

    In which case, we are exactly where we should be and, maybe, we shouldn’t expect more, eh?

  80. Bulla October 18, 2011 10:28 am


    i agree, i don’t mind paying $1m, but let’s get what we’re paying for.

  81. A-House October 18, 2011 10:34 am


    agree with your point of why 3 blockers on punts – UH uses that scheme because “others” use it – u know, tradition – don’t rock the boat mentality!

    A-Joe #69:

    and the “plantation” mentality lives on – as strong as ever – like the late 40s and early 50s! in gov and business, same o, same o! come to think of it, the South is still fighting the Civil War.

    combine that with “power grab” – u know, MINE it’s all MINE ((( with arms circled around an idea ))) – now, how can arms be circled around an ides/thought? and you get what you described in #69.

  82. pig October 18, 2011 10:34 am

    why on earth is tomey getting paid to coach special teams? results suggest he isn’t coaching special teams at all. inexcusable at the D-1 level. that was embarrassing and play calling in the 1st half was just awful.

  83. Couch potato October 18, 2011 10:38 am

    many forget that the Warriors did get to the promised land. will they ever return? who knows.

    same with volleyball, baseball and softball. they’ve been there. just gotta show up again.

  84. Couch potato October 18, 2011 10:40 am

    A-House, the civil war in not in the south, it’s in Washington D.C.

  85. 808bowler October 18, 2011 10:41 am

    I think moving stutzman us a great idea. And start clapp at slot.

  86. Couch potato October 18, 2011 10:42 am

    war in not —> war is not. aiyah.

  87. Haleakala October 18, 2011 10:44 am


    The legislature should strongly consider providing tax breaks for tech businesses in order to generate highly skilled jobs for the future. They should also consider that the added employees in these businesses will be paying state income taxes and will be paying excise taxes for goods purchased. However there are some in the legislature that have an old school mentality from the plantation days that businesses do not deserve any tax breaks. That type of thinking hurts the State and our future generations in the long run. BTW, I am not in the tech industry.

  88. madeinhawaii October 18, 2011 10:47 am

    Couch Potato…

    Maybe it was a fluke. Unlike Utah, TCU, BYU, Boise, I don’t see us doing a repeat anytime soon.

  89. madeinhawaii October 18, 2011 10:48 am

    The saddest part is that we haven’t really increased our following all that much. Was it because of how badly our team lost in the Sugar Bowl?

  90. Couch potato October 18, 2011 10:54 am

    madeinhawaii, fluke or not, they wuz dea. just need the leaders to take dem back dea.

  91. izzy October 18, 2011 3:58 pm

    RE: Our challenges in the kicking game

    Just some dumb questions: What happend to the days (and coaches) when our place-kicker was referred to as “The Ice Man?” What has changed? How did we allow what we had to slip through our hands?

    Just asking. . .

  92. (Jesse) James October 18, 2011 4:06 pm

    MIH and Couch Potato….Both are good points. I think we can get there again but have to remain focused on that goal and like lots have been saying, have “outside the box” thinking. If I’m not mistaken, BYU only got there once in 1984 when they actually won the National Championship which was decided by polls rather than a game…which really hasn’t changed much with the BCS, LOL.

    UH also has to start promoting the program early on and have events that drum up support for the program, not only among students but also among the community. I mean, they sort of started doing that in 2007 when we were pushing for an undefeated season. I remember several rallies downtown with some bandmembers, cheerleaders, and stuff. They should do that throughout the year, especially as football season gets closer, not only when UH is doing good. I mean, c’mon, can you imagine the male lunch crowd in Bishop Square if the Rainbow Dancers and Cheerleaders showed up for a rally with the band members. Handed out pictures or sold their posters and calendars and stuff. That would drum up at least some support for the program….

  93. Shoko October 18, 2011 4:36 pm

    Just visited a facebook page called “Fire Pat Hill”. The comments were pretty funny stuff. I wonder if Coach Hill’s “any team, anywhere and any time” mantra is an excuse to save his job.

  94. slenzi October 18, 2011 4:36 pm

    Agree with all above on receivers. Miah, Justin, Stutz, and Royce. Darius may need a little more time, but was wondering if Joe Avery is coming along. Loved the way he practiced hard. He used to run stride for stride with Leon W-J.

  95. Slugger October 18, 2011 4:37 pm

    Watching the Arkansas State – Florida International game on ESPN2 and Corey Batoon is the Special Teams coach, in addition to coaching the corners & nickels. Don’t know how he’s doing as a Special Teams coach, but he did a great job in Flagstaff at NAU on the defensive side. Always nice to see Hawaii people succeed.

    Went to practice this morning. I think Kawika Borden made an interception during a one-on-one drill when his Mom was there. Always nice to see your kid making plays.

  96. Slugger October 18, 2011 4:39 pm

    ST ~ Nice pictures of Trevor Davis! #40 had some nice catches, too.

  97. Garret October 18, 2011 4:46 pm

    Interesting study of how much each school makes from their men’s basketball team. Some data points:

    1. Duke $26.7 mil

    2. Louisville $25.9 mil

    11. Kansas $16.1 mil

    12. Texas $15.6 mil

    27. Georgetown $10.1 mil

    28. Xavier $10.1 mil

    39. UNLV $9.0 mil

    40. Texas A&M $8.9 mil

    61. Gonzaga $6.3 mil

    73. Creighton $4.9 ml

    83. Utah State $3.8 mil

    86. Nevada $3.7 mil

    105. Fresno State $2.7 mil

    125. NMSU $2.2 mil

    129. Idaho $2.1 mil

    231. UH $1.2 mil

    If UH could make as much money from basketball as Nevada does, there would be no talk of any UHAD deficit and instead there would be a large surplus to upgrade the program. Idaho, Fresno, Utah State, etc. make much more. Creighton is doing amazingly well and UNLV makes a killing from basketball.

  98. Garret October 18, 2011 4:48 pm

    Chad Owens is about to set a professional football record.

    Owens needs just 119 total yards to become the first player in pro football history to register 3,000 all-purpose yards in consecutive seasons. The second-year Argo will have a shot at the mark Friday night when Toronto hosts the Edmonton Eskimos at Rogers Centre.

    Owens has been a bright spot in what’s been a miserable season for Toronto (4-11). The 29-year-old Hawaii native leads the CFL with 2,881 combined yards and is more than 1,000 yards ahead of his nearest competitor, Tim Brown of the B.C. Lions.

    Owens was the overwhelming choice last year as the CFL’s outstanding special-teams player and remains the clear-cut favourite this season’s honour. Affectionately dubbed The Flyin’ Hawaiian, the five-foot-seven, 180-pound Owens leads the CFL in punt returns (578 yards) and kickoff yards (1,594) and also has 104 yards returning four missed field goals.

    Owens has scored two TDs on special teams, returning both a punt and kickoff the other way. Owens has also contributed offensive as the Argos’ leading receiver with 58 catches for 598 yards as an inside slotback.

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  100. ai-eee-soos October 18, 2011 5:06 pm

    from ST’s header:

    “From today’s game-plan Tuesday (which was held on a Tuesday):

    • Defensive tackle Geordon Hanohano was used as the left guard on point-after kicks today.

    • Billy Ray Stutzmann is likely to remain at left slotback.”

    Awrite Geordon: KICK some okole.

  101. whitey October 18, 2011 5:13 pm

    jobs???? we had a great reasonable means of interesland travel which created jobs on oahu and maui with future jobs on kauai and the big island, but what happens???? don’t blame just the courts, blame the media and the politics of the present system.

  102. whitey October 18, 2011 5:17 pm

    so what happens if the oppostion blocks a fg or extra point??? or what happens if the oppostion neva blocks a fg or extra point the rest of this season???? guaranteeing anything like that is just bragging or running at the mouth. Just Do It!!! now why does that sound familiar????

  103. Old Diver October 18, 2011 5:29 pm



    This is why personnel changes on special teams have led to no improvement in the protection. Without adjustments by the coaches I don’t expect any improvements this week.

  104. whitey October 18, 2011 5:39 pm

    personally, i look to my past post and blocking and tackling, especially tackling, is not a priority. we got some warriors who are doing a very good job at blocking and tackling, but from day one, they have been good at it because they had a good foundation in basic football. this year’s receivers need to work on their hands and don’t need to be using gloves to practice catching. strengthen your bare hands with the JUGS and build the callous in your hands.

  105. whitey October 18, 2011 5:45 pm

    i can see, bhf2, getting his pressure up whenver the JUGS was not being used or if it needed to be repaired.

  106. madeinhawaii October 18, 2011 5:55 pm

    Don’t take me wrong..I’m not saying fire Mack.. I’m saying if the higher ups don’t feel he’s the one to take us where we need to be, then they should be working in the direction to fix that. BUT if they feel he deserves a second chance with an extension, then, dang it! Shouldn’t they put their money where their mouths are and pay the piper. If not in the head Coach’s salary, get all the tools needed, raise the assistant salaries so that better assistants can be found where necessary, put more into recruiting. But don’t just take away money from the program to feed it elsewhere. Go all in … or why bother?

    Because a 600K salary for a Head Coach is about average for those teams that lose more than they win more often than not.

  107. A-House October 18, 2011 6:03 pm

    Why is there a huge gap between pont #90 and #91?

    Was the blog down? no one could post? I tried several times and gave up.

  108. ai-eee-soos October 18, 2011 6:06 pm

    The Circle of Honor was mentioned:

    “Mink, Kai, Wilkins to be inducted into UH Sports Circle of Honor”

    “In conjunction with the 40th anniversary of Rainbow Wahine sports, three outstanding women will be inducted into the University of Hawaii Sports Circle of Honor Friday.”

    “Comprising the Class of 2011 are the late Patsy T. Mink, All-American soccer player Natasha Kai and All-American softball pitcher Brooke Wilkins.

    The three will be inducted in between Sets 2 and 3 of Friday’s volleyball match between Hawaii and Utah.”


  109. ai-eee-soos October 18, 2011 6:08 pm

  110. SteveM October 18, 2011 6:09 pm

    There is a down-side to great success and making it to the “big dance”…everyone expects to be there again…every year. Maybe a reasonable expectation now since it has been proven it can be done. But every year we don’t return, the coaches that took us there look shabbier and shabbier until people start calling for a replacement who can somehow take us there again.

    Me? I thank them for taking us to the next level, albeit once. Names like Shoji, Murakami, Wagner, Jones, and Coolen come to mind. If our current coaches can do it again, please hurry. But if they run their programs with integrity, the team has pride, and the athletes graduate, then I don’t call for their firing. But yeah, I’d like to see us in the big time post-season again.

  111. A-House October 18, 2011 6:13 pm

    now that it’s working, I will post my response to Couch Potato:

    according to my “southern” OCS classmates, they are still fighting the Civil War and seemed determined to take it all back from the “north” – did you know that over 60% of all US military officers are from the South?

    several rich southern lads and ladys should always remember that their wealth came not from their hard work, but on the back of slaves who toiled in the fields.

    which brings me to a sore point from WWII where a particular Major General who was in charge of collecting, recording, protecting all the “stolen” art, antiques, etc. actually shipped several pieces of art home – now, his heirs refuse to return them saying they belong to their family and are in a legal battle, hired high mucka mucka lawyers, with the Federal Govt who want them back as they belong to families in Europe – last I heard, they are worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

    kinda reminds me of Kelly’s Heros!

  112. A-House October 18, 2011 6:21 pm

    Recruits? I don’t expect to hear much from this corner until a certain contract is completed.

    By then, who knows where it will be! How much it will hurt the program. An oral commitment is just that – only words, which by the way, used to mean a heck of a lot not so long ago! A simple hand shake was golden!

    Legally, if there is an offer and acceptance, is it not legally binding? If not, then this principle of law goes down the drain. Or, must there be a “consideration” to make an oral contract legally binding?

  113. Kevin October 18, 2011 6:22 pm

    This year’s Circle of Honor inductees is further proof of the influence Rainbow Wahine athletics has had on UH sports as a whole.

    Thanks to them, they made it possible for all future Rainbow Wahine and Patsy Mink made it possible to ensure that there IS a future for all female student-athletes.

    These ladies PAVED the way for TODAY.

  114. RedZone October 18, 2011 6:23 pm

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  115. el burro sabio October 18, 2011 6:45 pm

    There were comments earlier about punt protection and coverage.

    The home team has punted 23 times this year. 2 have been returned for 13 yards.

    I’ll quote a very wise man:


    October 17th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    if it ain’t broke

    don’t fix it.

  116. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 6:51 pm

    1. Once again, the Circle of Honor dishonors football. It’s a political committee with one extremely bitter misguided member.

    2. Who the heck broke my blog?

  117. madeinhawaii October 18, 2011 6:52 pm

    Right now Greg McMackin’s salary ranks 53rd among FBS coaches.

    650K would put him at 79th place. Is that where we want our Warriors to be? In 79th place?

    I say start with a base pay of 500K with bonuses for Conference title and bowl game. An Additional bonus for a Bowl Win. Percentage of any BCS earnings from Bowl game. +PLUS+ Retroactive pay from previous year of $100K for every win over 5. So if he won 7 last season he would get a $200K bump for this season. BUT if he only wins 5 or less this season, he gets nothing added to the next year’s salary.

    In Mack’s case that would have brought him an average of 500K + bonus for year 1, $700K for year two with no bonus, $600K for year three + bonuses for Conference title and bowl game… 1000K this year for having 5 wins over the 5 last season… approximately 700K/year + applicable bonuses.

  118. whitey October 18, 2011 6:54 pm

    el burro sabio, you probably right about the punt team, but one of the major problems is the fg/kick after score. will they be able to rectify it for the rest of the season??? will need to see what happens this weekend. am hoping they correct it.

  119. whitey October 18, 2011 7:00 pm

    ST, when is a selection comittee not biased? neva!!!! but to say that only these three women will be recognized is a low blow and this could be another reason why people don’t give or care about uh athletics. circle of honor recognition is an honor, but basically a great source of revenues for uh. bill gates did not go to uh, but imagine if uh honored him with an honorary doctorate degree. would he ignore the honor??? i don’t think so and uh would have an in to his foundation money. ask stanford u.

  120. whitey October 18, 2011 7:05 pm

    the circle of honor committee should have at least 8-12 honorees each year. select a game when they will be honored, have a recognition dinner (money, money, money for uh), then have them recognized at half time by everyone at aloha stadium. but then again, uh school of business has no clue.

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  122. cheepono October 18, 2011 7:08 pm

    how does one find out who is on the selection committee for the circle of honor?

  123. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 7:12 pm

    anyone listened to the call the coach show?

  124. Derek October 18, 2011 7:18 pm

    I’ve been saying for the last 2 years that we need a kicker who can put it in the end zone to help our kickoff team as well as as good field position, not to mention less stress on the kick return itself. Last year, they got Hadden but he reshirted so that’s okay. But I haven’t seen him have the strong leg that some people has said. Maybe he’s hurt, I don’t know. I also noticed that his kicks are low, not like some guys who get the ball up high quickly. Maybe, it’s the position of the ball by the holder. I don’t know, but the coaches are there to coach in practice. I don’t see things change. I saw the replay of the blocked it several times on the extra point. I don’t want to mention any names, but one offensive lineman let this one defensive lineman come in so easily like he didn’t really try to block him. Of course, that DL blocked the kick. You probably saw it yourself.

    On the turnovers and other gaffes it’s the old adage that we are our own worst enemies. We didn’t lose to San Jose St., we lost it because of our mistakes. Moniz is the most important person on the team because of his position. When he doesn’t play well, it is hard to win. He didn’t play well at Las Vegas and he surely did not play well at San Jose St. with causing 4 turnoveres in the first half. He played well against Colorado, UC Davis, and La Tech. At Washington, he played o.k. but not good. Don’t belive me. The Indianapolis Colts is 0-6 because they don’t have Payton Manning. Russell Wilson came to Wisconsin and he has them undefeated and scoring a ton of points. The Miami Dolphins, 0-6 also, do not have a good QB. Anybody knows why Boise St. is so good. Kellen Moore is a 4 year starter. Thankfully for us, he’s a senior. My point is that because we run the Run and Shoot the QB is everything to our offense to make critial plays. Moniz has been very inconsistent this year. I notice he’s dosn’t play as well on the road compared to home. Colt Brennan played well when we needed him the most. Against Boise St, against Washngton, against Arizona St. etc. etc. He made big plays in the 4th quarter at La Tech and at San Jose St. In 2006 and 2007 Brennan didn’t have bad games and in 2 years UH was 23-3 including the Hawaii Bowl and the Sugar Bowl, with the exception of Georgia. It wasn’t Brennan’s fault. Our offensive tackles did not stop the Bulldogs DEs from coming in so fast that Brennan did not have time to make all of his reads. Had Moniz played good on the 3 road trips we are likely to have won those games. You can’t say he’s the Holy Grail so we are still looking for the next one.

    We lose as a team. Physical errors, and poor coaching decisons or non-decisions all spelled us losing on all 3 road losses. We should win easily this week as 21 point favorites at home. Unfortunately, because of what has happened this football team is not to be trusted. We are Murphy’s Law. Six blocked kicks in 6 games makes me sick. Unbelievable.

  125. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 7:21 pm

    Only three who played football in last 25 years are in — Onosai, Elam and Tanuvasa. Love all three but MVPs of Holiday Bowl were Michael Carter and Junior Tagoai. Chad Owens wasn’t even nominated. Neither was Timmy Chang, Nogas, Garrett Gabriel. Vince Manuwai. Ashley Lelie. Holiday Bowl team.

  126. whitey October 18, 2011 7:26 pm

    cheepono, excellent question. looked at various locations, but none of the committee names can be found. in fact, there is nothing about the committee members on uh athletic. WHY????? no shame, if you on the committee, be proud!!!

  127. whitey October 18, 2011 7:27 pm

    ST, where can we find the member’s names and their credentials.

  128. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 7:33 pm


    They don’t list them.

    I don’t blame the younger voters because you can’t choose when you’re born. You do the best with the perspective you have.

    But some of the old-timers … geesh.

    All I know is I’m an old fut, and Niko Noga is the best UH football player I’ve ever seen play. When we were UH students, we used to go early just to watch Noga warm up. He was a defensive lineman who could block kicks. Just a great athlete.

  129. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 7:35 pm

    And I remember MIchael Carter playing option quarterback all season … with a broken rib.

    And Garrett Gabriel beating BYU. Twice. People don’t realize how that was an even tougher challenge than beating Boise State twice.

    And Lelie’s catch against Fresno State.

  130. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2011 7:36 pm

    OK, back to the real issue: Who the heck broke my blog today?

  131. Shoko October 18, 2011 7:41 pm

    Blog was broke?

    Anyway, I remember when I was a young’un and seeing Niko Noga fly over the O-line like he was Superfly Snuka. Dat guy was a beast.

  132. el burro sabio October 18, 2011 7:53 pm


    The question was raised about punt protection and punt coverage today and I commented about that. The whole world has an opinion about the placements and I’d rather wait and see what happens than talk about it.

    It’s still more important to worry about scoring touchdowns, if you don’t, kicking PATs is not an issue.

  133. izzy October 18, 2011 7:53 pm

    RE: Broke

    The Tsai-blog need money too?

  134. A-TEAM October 18, 2011 8:02 pm

    Don’t change personnel. Teach them!!!!!!

  135. kev-1 October 18, 2011 8:03 pm

    Whew . . . I’m glad it was the blog and I never get banned or something. I was wondering how come I couldn’t post all day. Too bad too, cuz I had some real juicy information regarding recruiting, Colt Brennan, Mack’s contract extension, and all kine other juicy inside information. I was going to post it earlier, but since the blog was broke . . .

  136. kev-1 October 18, 2011 8:06 pm

    I kinda agree with A-TEAM. Makes me nervous to expect that someone who has never done it before will be a better solution than coaching up someone who knows how. If you drive over bunch of nails in your driveway day after day, you can’t just change the tires. You gotta move the nails.

    Unless of course the guy he’s replacing is uncoachable, then oh well. Go get um Hanohano!

  137. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 8:17 pm

    So I gather from the Call The Coach Show that Mack thinks $$$/resources is the problem keeping our program from being successful.

    Not sure if he meant $$ is keeping us from another BCS game or if it meant being relevant in our own conference.

    Also, I missed his comments on Chris Peterson’s pay being “double” of his. Not sure what his point was.

  138. Betty Mihor October 18, 2011 8:19 pm

    but the 10 songs per month will still be a big plus in Zune Pass’ favor.

  139. al October 18, 2011 8:25 pm

    who the heck is on this committee?

    please name them i’d share a few words with them.

  140. LizKauai (macbook) October 18, 2011 8:46 pm

    Nice to see the blog past 90!

    Thanks S-A IT for fixing the blog!

  141. Old Diver October 18, 2011 8:56 pm

    Coach Mack said the football team was responsible for about $16 million in revenues. Added that his budget is $3 million where as programs like USC has football budgets of over $20 million. He also said that Boise State spends most of it’s revenues on football which is why they don’t travel economy like UH. This was is a response to a question on how we could become the next Boise State. Basically Mack’s response was we will need to spend money on our football team like they do.

  142. al October 18, 2011 9:47 pm

    137…many subliminal messages in this one.

  143. whitey October 18, 2011 9:54 pm

    al, that’s the reason for they not putting the names out because you going whisper something in their ear.

  144. whitey October 18, 2011 9:56 pm

    the ring of honor committee should be appointed by the ad. right now, nobody knows who appointed the committee or who they are. but ST knows who the grinch is.

  145. whitey October 18, 2011 9:59 pm

    this is aother boo boo that the athletic dept does not take advantage of to recognize outstanding athletes and get some revunues. me, i think uh marketing program is similar to a minor league team.

  146. whitey October 18, 2011 10:06 pm

    congratulations to da rainbow wahines for another good win.

  147. kev-1 October 18, 2011 10:07 pm

    If you agree to pay me twice as much, I promise I’ll do better at my job too. Maybe I’ll even agree to stop blogging while I’m at work.

  148. al October 18, 2011 10:07 pm

    whitey…minor league or little league?

  149. Derek October 18, 2011 10:11 pm

    Stephen, I agree that Falaniko Noga is one football stud at the University of Hawaii. He was 225 lbs. and he pllayed middle guard. What a body too! But, for my money the guy that combined both UH and the NFL career, Jesse Sapolu is the best. 4 time Super Bowl champion and OG at UH in a steller career. The irony is that Noga and Sapolu both prepped at Farrington.

    My all time favorite is Colt Brennan, hands down. He was the pied piper that people followed. His announcement to return to UH for his senior season was the most exhilarating feeling I have ever witnessed. All the TV stations covered his announcement with baited breath. When he made his decision, people in the room and everybody who were watching just erupted with joy and tears. I will never forget that. The rest is history. 12-0 in the regular season, Sugar Bowl. Led by June Jones, it felt like that the 2007 season had the possibility of being great if things fell our way. And it did. Some miracle finishes in 4 games, beating Boise St. at home on National television. It felt like it was meant to be and that the man up stairs was watching every move and helping us. The team had a lot of faith and Jones preached to “play for each other.” C.J. Hawthorne provided so much inspiration with his strong faith in God. We long for the day that another season like that can happen. The pride that the people of Hawaii had for our 2007 team cannot be duplicated. It was the best of time. So much so that more than 10,000 Hawaii fans went to the Sugar Bowl. Impressive.

    And, although the 2007 team went 12-1, I happen to think that the 2006 team, 11-3, was better. I thought it was more dominant. Brennan’s best season was the 2006. He was on fire. 58 touchdowns passes. Still an NCAA record. Some ungodly pass efficiency percentage which let the country. Hawaii lost early road games against Alabama and Boise St. but the games were close and we had the feeling that this team would be good, and they were.

  150. al October 18, 2011 10:12 pm

    salaries should be fair compensation for what you are worth to the organization.

    in peterson’s case, he is worth every penny considering where bsu is today and what that program is worth in of itself.

    comparisons of salary amounts while not comparing the end product is…well, you know.

    …nuff said

  151. al October 18, 2011 10:13 pm

    was great to see the passion our mainland warrior fans have.

  152. al October 18, 2011 10:15 pm

    of course, though the number one warrior fan, through thick and thin has got to be none other than stretch. i’d say that in the past few years, of which i am aware, he has attended more games than anyone else.

  153. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 10:30 pm


    We all can’t be baller$ like Sir Stretch.

    Lots of people are jealous of his ability to travel with the team. Me, I am jealous of his looks and how he gets them ladies. 😛

  154. whitey October 18, 2011 10:30 pm

    al, sometimes i think little league is better at marketing, not only on a national level, but also at the local level. they get parents and friends involved not only to cheer, but to sell food for their funraiser at every game. then if their team wins, they raise money for the team to travel whether be here in hawaii or on to the mainland.

  155. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2011 10:30 pm


    subliminal messages. you hit that nail again.

  156. whitey October 18, 2011 10:34 pm

    it wouldn’t be fair to say that stretch is just a fan who travels, but he organized the tsaiko athletic fund at uh, donates time and money to uh, and shares the ups and downs of all uh athletics. and he better looking when he bolo head.

  157. whitey October 18, 2011 10:36 pm

    al, so when going back to get your cd’s????

  158. whitey October 18, 2011 10:36 pm

    going call it a night, so take care and have a good evening.

  159. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc October 18, 2011 10:56 pm

    New high tech businesses have been getting major tax breaks for years now, but there has been significant unhappiness over the results. Will do some research as to what these tax benefits are to the companies and the impact they have on generating jobs and the impact on overall tax revenues.

    Why are people unhappy over the fact that the 40th Anniversary of Title IX is being used to support women who have helped level the playing field, so to speak.

    What are you planning to do if do you find out who the members of the Selection Committee are? Boo their honoree selections?

    Walk around the Circle of Honor – there are about 110 honorees – and I doubt seriously if there are more than 25 women.

    If you want to honor particular individuals, then submit their names and a brief description of their careers to the Department of Athletics administration with a cc. to the UH Administration and the Board of Regents shortly after July 1 of each fiscal year.

  160. 99club October 18, 2011 10:57 pm

    Good morning Tsaikos…

    Looks like this week’s game will be shown online on espn3 for those that get it.

  161. 99club October 18, 2011 10:58 pm

    Next week’s Idaho game too…

  162. bigislandkurt October 18, 2011 11:12 pm

    Al Noga is 100 percent responsible for me becoming a full-time Viking fan back in ’86.

    it’s been a hard knock viking fan life for me since.


  163. madeinhawaii October 18, 2011 11:15 pm

    I don’t think Mack was referring to just his salary, but rather the $$ allocated for the Football program itself, from Coaches salaries, practice equipment, tutoring, recruiting, travel expenses and more. I agree with him. UH doesn’t spend enough of the revenues generated from Football to take the program to the next level.

    Business will always put its money where it’s best money makers are, not UH…

  164. papajoe2 October 18, 2011 11:38 pm

    The 12-0, 2007 team had the weakest schedule of all Div. 1 teams that year which included 2 Div. 2 wins. We struggled to win a few games that year but the excitement created was probably unmatched. The year before or the team that went 9-2 (Bob Wagner) and won the Holiday Bowl may have been better. I think the Georgia game just brought us back to reality. If we had a decent schedule, would be have been undefeated? If not, we would never have gotten to the Sugar Bowl. Maybe what we need is a weak schedule like that every year. Hard to argue with an undefeated team no matter who you play.

  165. papajoe2 October 18, 2011 11:42 pm

    Did all the people in this year’s Circle of Honor actually graduate? I truely hope so. I think ALL people in the UH Circle of Honor should be graduates of UH. I don’t know the list, but isn’t that one of the requirements?

  166. Manoa October 18, 2011 11:48 pm

    Nice discussion on Tech industries.

    Federal government contract spending is a major driver of the tech industry in places like San Diego with its Naval and defense research and Austin and the State of Texas generally. Texas is probably the second highest state in Federal contract spending and this has greatly helped the economy of Texas.

    The question is as Federal spending slows (assuming it does), will this be sustained– most people feel Federal funds will continue to flow to companies in these areas.

  167. slenzi October 19, 2011 1:21 am


    Thanks for the update on Chad Owens. Reminds me of radio interview that Bobby Curran did with June Jones years ago. BC Question. What do you say to the critics who list Chad Owens as too small and/or too slow for the pros? JJ Answer. You know the people who make those statements, well you can’t change their mind, but 10 years after Chad is in the pros, the same people will still be saying he’s too small or too slow. I think Chad will go out and do what he does and some team will be happy to have him [paraphrase].

  168. wafan October 19, 2011 2:24 am

    A thrilling Hump Day to all!

  169. wafan October 19, 2011 2:25 am

    Thanks for the pix, Mr. Tsai.

  170. wafan October 19, 2011 2:27 am

    Was this on purpose?!?!

    “Massachusetts tries to reign in its health costs”

    Ahhhh, the pitfalls of spell check.


  171. wafan October 19, 2011 2:29 am

    Congratulations to the circle honorees.

    Until the mindset changes do not expect other changes.

  172. wafan October 19, 2011 2:30 am

    Bravissimo, Wahine!

  173. wafan October 19, 2011 2:43 am

    Good word that, “futless”. Good article, too.

    Have not used it in forever but it is a good descriptor for upper campus and some of their decisions, or lack thereof.

  174. Garret October 19, 2011 4:25 am


    The economy in Silicon Valley is being driven by companies like Google, Apple, and Facebook…not Federal Government spending.

    The economy in San Diego is being driven by *commercial* tech companies led by Qualcomm and the ecosystem around it. That is why Samsung, LG, Motorola, and a host of other companies are actively hiring engineers and computer scientists here. Designs are done in San Diego and the products are sold throughout the world, bringing a lot of money back to San Diego and the US from overseas.

    You are correct that some of San Diego’s growth is due to government programs–but the programs are actually in growth areas such as UAVs. General Atomics went from a tiny company to a behemoth that now drives its own ecosystem. DoD spending for UAVs is *growing*, not shrinking…and now police departments, customs and border patrol, and homeland security are expanding UAV usage. It also is a lucrative export industry for the US.

  175. Garret October 19, 2011 4:33 am

    UH has the highest budget in the WAC.

    UH spends far more on football than SJSU or UNLV.

    UH pays its head coach far more than SJSU or UNLV pays their coaches.

    This was not a good week for Mack to make that type of salary comparison…not when UH just played SJSU and UH’s football budget is far above SJSU’s.

  176. Pomai October 19, 2011 5:16 am

    #165 papajoe2: – Well I know that Brooke Wilkens did not graduate from UH, she wasn’t allowed to come back and play her Jr, and Sr years. She played on the 96 Australian Olympic team that won the bronze medal and was given something like 15,000.00 for doing so which ended her UH career by the NCAA. She did go home to Australia to get her degree. I can just imagine what the record book would look like had they let her play the two years they took away from her.

    In just two seasons with the Rainbow Wahine, she was a two-time All-American and led Hawai’i to back-to-back NCAA Regional appearances in 1994 and ’95

    She holds the school career records for wins (58), including 32 shutouts and five no-hitters, strikeouts (585), and earned run average (0.68).

    She earned Big West Pitcher of the Year award in 1994 and 1995 she was the program’s first NFCA first-team All-American with another 29-win season. She led UH to within two wins of its first Women’s College World Series appearance.

  177. A-joe October 19, 2011 5:33 am

    87: Haleakala

    The legislature have had a High Technology Investment Tax Credit in

    place since ’03. The problem with this tax credit is it does not

    specifically define what “high tech” is. It’s definition is broad. A

    huge window of interpretation is left open. Many in the film industry

    began using the tax credit. Also, people were buying credits and

    sitting on it in hopes of somehow using it to their advantage.

    Credits were being divvied out. Next to none were showing up in

    perceived sectors intended for.

    The other challenge is if you give too much tax credit to one sector,

    other sectors with no breaks (yet are still looked upon to shoulder

    the state’s economy) spurn dissension.

    The challenge with developing a tech industry takes on a chicken and

    egg effect. What comes first- Tech industry itself? Or a highly

    skilled workforce? If it’s the industry first, do they import their

    skilled workers to Hawaii until Hawaii schools can produce workers

    itself to meet demands? If it’s the skilled workers, does our school

    system crank out skilled workers only to have them go abroad and work

    until some tech company sets up shop in Hawaii?

    So what can be done to promote growth?

    -Tax incentives that encourage venture capitalist to invest in local industries.

    -Emphasize on strengthening support industries such manufacturing

    would help tech industries.

    -Require more business and entrepreneurial curriculum into the school

    system. Elementary, Middle, High School, College…

    -Convert basic college curriculum to be all online. (Sitting in a

    large auditorium is an archaic concept)

    -Develop better trade schools and programs.

    -Make government services more easily and readily accessible. Be more

    people friendly.

    -One of the key ingredient in any kind of business is if you can show

    someone how they can make money with your idea, they will support it.

    If you can show unions how their members can make money in the tech

    industry, you’ll have the most incredible support to take Hawaii into

    the next century ever seen!

  178. Stretch October 19, 2011 5:34 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    Thanks al but I am not the “number one fan”. Everyone supports the team in whatever way they can. Most people might not want me traveling for the road games, so far I am 0-3 – UW, UNLV and SJSU. I was not at LA Tech and the team won. I will not be going to Idaho so we should win. I’ll be going to the Nevada game (actually running away from APEC) so hoping that the team will prove I am not bad luck for this season.

    Since the 2008 season, I have attended 12 road games and the team is 3-9. hmmm… I expect to get a phone call from Mack later to ask me to stay home.

  179. Slugger October 19, 2011 5:56 am

    Good morning, gang!

    It’s Really Wednesday now. 🙂

    Can’t go to practice this morning. Playing taxi for my Mom.


  180. A-joe October 19, 2011 6:07 am

    Holy Smokes, Stretch!! With a record like that everyone here is not sure to either fire you or give you a raise!

    But in baseball terms, you batting .300. That’s pretty dam awesome!!

  181. Wes'side Warrior October 19, 2011 6:08 am

    I thought UH had the highest athletic budget mainly due to the amount of travel required?

    Our isolation is also another reason that coaching at Hawaii is more difficult than any comparable school on the mainland. Not so easy for coaches, as well as recruits and their families to just pack up and drive to meet each other. If this wasn’t such a challenge, we should be able to land any head coach we wanted at the current contract price range. Most big name coaches understand the dilemma we face, and would rather sit pretty on heaps of cash at already established schools. It makes their jobs much easier, with 5-star recruits climbing over each other trying to get in.

    So, would we rather have the head coach from SJSU or UNLV, to go along with their dismal W-L records? We also have coaches here who know what Hawaii is about. Try bringing in a pretty successful, but total stranger, and see what happens. (Oops, we tried that with VonAppen.)

  182. Wes'side Warrior October 19, 2011 6:21 am


    When we lived in Warren, Michigan, they ended up closing the “Detroit Arsenal” Tank Plant. There was lots of talk during and after the closing as to how best to use the space. It was decided to be turned into a Tech Center. To attract businesses, they designated it a “Renaissance Zone”, complete with all kinds of tax breaks.

    Wonder if they could do something like that with a place such as Barber’s Point?

  183. A-joe October 19, 2011 6:37 am

    182. WW

    That’s a good suggestion. the thing is Barbers Point is premium real estate and not short on ideas of what both the government and private sector would want to do. All kinds of developers are clamoring for that area.

    There are several incubators in the islands that serve the purpose of nurturing tech start ups. The problem they have is stocking their spaces with start ups. Allot of times, to make ends meet, they have to rent/lease their spaces to existing businesses. Some of which are not in the tech industry per se.

  184. Wes'side Warrior October 19, 2011 6:45 am

    So, do sections at a time, instead of just having the land sit idle and not producing any income at all. They need to come up with an overall plan, and start implementing it in phases. Doing nothing is not helping anyone, while we go deeper and deeper into red.

    I lived there. I grew up there. Even went to kindergarten at Barber’s Point Elementary. Lots of wide open space to accommodate everyone’s plans. They could even keep a huge section for TV Studio stuff for future island productions. Just do something!

  185. shalele October 19, 2011 7:42 am

    Just wondering, why can’t our kickers just chip shot the extra point in. And kick straight line drives out of the endzone for a touchback.( be barely make it past the 20 ) We always give the other team good field position..Or is it they want to kick it high on kickoff’s so we can cover it better……Just my observation.

  186. oldtimer808 October 19, 2011 11:33 am

    I agree with Wes’side warrior on #181. This is the reason why it does take someone special who has an understanding of Hawaii and the love of the culture. Another coaching example who struggled after being successful at BYU is Frank Arnold. He just could not get the cultural picture. We have the right coaches for the job. Our Warriors need your support not the continued negativity that exist in these blogs. The school made a change from Wagner to Von Appen so the grass is not always greener on the other side. So Wes’side you hit the nail on the head and you are supported.

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    Let me join in the accolades for Stretch.

    Good man and a Warrior at heart.

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