Pu‘u-Robinson gets medical benefit

Tight end Jordan Pu‘u-Robinson has been approved for a medical hardship that will allow him to play as a sixth-year senior in 2014.

Pu‘u-Robinson, who suffered a shoulder injury this summer, will make his 2013 debut in Saturday’s game against Nevada.

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Cornerback Brian Clay has requested a release from his football scholarship, citing the health of his mother, who is suffering from MS. It appears he would like to transfer to a school in the Bay Area.

Clay was a member of the 2011 recruiting class, Greg McMackin’s last as UH head coach. Clay was activated that year, playing mostly on special teams. He redshirted in 2012.

From the 2011 class, only four are current starters — middle linebacker Brenden Daley, wideout Chris Gant, defensive end Tavita Woodard and center Ben Clarke. Daley, Gant and Woodard were junior-college transfers who redshirted in 2011. Clarke, who grayshirted, was a part-time UH student in the 2011 fall semester. He joined the Warriors in January 2012.

Here’s a look at the 2011 recruiting class:

• Junior Alexis — Was scheduled to grayshirt, but instead signed with Miami. He is now at Portland State.

• Justin Alo — A grayshirt who joined UH in 2012, then transferred to Mount San Antonio College.

• Chinedu Promise Amadi — Transferred to Boise State, where he is a walk-on.

• Ijumaa Armstrong — Transferred to Montana State

• Craig Cofer — Defensive end/tight end

• Brenden Daley — Middle linebacker

• Trevor Davis — Transferred to California

• Ben Dew — Guard

• Cecil Doe — Receiver

• Mike Edwards — Starting cornerback/returner in 2012; relinquished senior season to apply for NFL draft.

• Penitito Faalologo — Fullback

• Chris Gant — Wideout

• Tyler Gray — Projected grayshirt who instead signed with Boise State

• Will Gregory — Leading rusher in 2012 who was dismissed from school because of dormitory violation.

• Ellis Henderson — Projected grayshirt who instead signed with Montana

• Tigi Hill — Attended  junior college

• Jared Leaf — Transferred to San Jose State

• Brandon Leslie — Played in 3 games in 2011; medical retirement in 2012.

• Ben Mamea — Never enrolled at UH

• Blake Muir — Transferred to Baylor

• Thomas Olds — Transferred to Santa Ana College

• Mike Sellers — Transferred to Sacramento State

• Kendrick Van Ackeren — Transferred to Montana

• Justin Vele — Tight end

• Tavita Woodard — Defensive end

• Ikaika Woolsey — Quarterback


  1. wafan September 17, 2013 5:51 am


  2. ai-eee-soos September 17, 2013 5:51 am


  3. ai-eee-soos September 17, 2013 5:52 am


  4. Buffoman September 17, 2013 5:58 am

    That’s terrific news!

  5. WarriorNY September 17, 2013 6:02 am

    Good for Jordan… Seems like he’s had nothing but bad luck since he got here… Look forward to seeing him on the field this weekend…

    Speaking of watching the game, does anyone know if the Nevada game is on streaming PPV? When I go to the website, it says “upcoming events” but nothing is listed…

  6. PONO September 17, 2013 6:14 am

    That was a pretty weak recruiting class in retrospect. I don’t blame No Clue for getting rid of most of the players. He has proven that he can bring in better talent than the previous regime but has not proven yet that it will translate into more wins.

  7. pu'uwai September 17, 2013 6:21 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka. Imua Rainbow Warriors!!!

  8. lava September 17, 2013 6:25 am

    At this point, it is not the players but the head Coach. Install Chow at Oregon and you have a very average team that will lose half of its games. As it is, Oregon is very exciting.

  9. lava September 17, 2013 6:26 am

    Pono said it more tactfully that I did. I think it is a widely held sentiment.

  10. The Pillar September 17, 2013 6:30 am

    Wow, beautiful early morning in Hawaii and bashing Norm Chow already. Amazing the negativity that fuels the UH so-called “fans.”

    You negative people need to learn a thing or two about running a FBS football program(cause it’s clear that you don’t), and also start to understand the environment of the BCS controlled FBS that non-BCS schools have to operate in.

    Whenever I see idiotic comments like #6 Pono, I know already they have NO CLUE.

  11. The Pillar September 17, 2013 6:32 am

    Another bozo pops his head out of the sand….omg.

    Your understanding of football is what? Since you can evaluate coaching knowledge, what are your backgrounds?

  12. boolakanaka September 17, 2013 6:33 am

    Aloha all–beautiful day back east, fall is in the air.

  13. tommui September 17, 2013 6:37 am


    Everyone has an opinion! (Unfortunately).

  14. PONO September 17, 2013 6:41 am

    Many of the 2011 recruits transferred to lower level schools either b/c div 1 schools were not interested or they did not want to sit out a year. Regardless none of them are making a big impact at the lower level. Only Muir and Davis went to high level D1’s.

  15. PolyMom September 17, 2013 6:42 am

    Good Morning Hawaii fans!!!

    Agree with you Tom Mui.

  16. The Pillar September 17, 2013 6:46 am

    Stating the obvious. So you can read then. Bang! You da man.

  17. Maddog50 September 17, 2013 7:02 am

    As the third game approachs things will start to unfold…..stilll a very young and unsettled offense that should grow every week. Was at the OSU game and could already tell a difference in the roster…..a lot deeper, prepared, and gave great effort overall. Look for this week to be a step up game in all three phases. The QB is going to get nothing but better with time and so far mostly freshman at the rec and RB position….long way to go but seeing it happen..Go Warriors—

  18. Warrior Dave September 17, 2013 7:07 am

    Happy for Jordan and our TE position.

    So early in the morning and we already have negativity.

  19. d1shima September 17, 2013 7:09 am

    Great Morning All!

    Welcome back Warriors! It’s like a 2nd Grand Opening! 😎


  20. haka September 17, 2013 7:13 am

    Great news for Jordan!

    Aloha & Mahalo Brian.

    Take care of yourself and mom.

    A big mahalo to those players that have remained Warriors!

    Very excited to have the injured Warriors back on the field!

    Go Rainbow Warriors!!!

  21. jm2375 September 17, 2013 7:16 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Congrats to Mr. Puu-Robinson. Stay healthy.

    In this clueless wahine’s eyes, the team is much more disciplined this year than last and certainly more than during the JJ/Mack years. The defense looks great and the offense is improving. Don’t forget that both Timmy Chang’s and Colt’s first years were losing seasons.

    GO BOWS!


  22. Wes'side Warrior September 17, 2013 7:31 am

    Morning, Gang!

    Wow! Lots of transfers, for whatever reasons. All the best to all these student-athletes, no matter what.

    Can’t wait for this weekend, even though it looks like I may need surgery on my left foot… We’ll see what the doctor says tomorrow, but from my experience, numbness can’t be good. I’d rather have the blinding pain at this point. Oh well. It is what it is. Next time, no use da folding chair as a step stool!

    Have a great day!

  23. 3-Prong September 17, 2013 7:49 am

    Wes’side Warrior: Take it easy and listen to the doctors. Don’t rush back to get in the “starting lineup”. We will “redshirt” you if we have to.

  24. jm2375 September 17, 2013 7:49 am

    WW – get well soon! Take care da foot.

  25. jeezy33 September 17, 2013 7:50 am

    ST, you think Hawaii will run more quick 8-10 yard hitch or curl routes to get Graham in rhythm and sustain longer drives? I don’t see Nevada being able to cover 6-4 WRs like Kemp and Kirkwood on a 10 yard curl if Graham can place the ball up high for his WRs. Would make it easier for our O line to protect and eventually the big play will come when DBs cheat. Also opens up the run later in the game.

  26. Rodney September 17, 2013 7:54 am

    #13 Imua warriors! Punch Nevada

    in the mouth!Pound the Rock!

    Opinions amen!!

    Hawaii 27 Nevada 20

  27. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 8:30 am

    wow, the 2011 recruiting class can be chalked up as a massive failure. Only 9 of 27 commit are even on the 2013 roster, ST mentioned only 4 starters.

    This year would be the year that the 2011 recruits would take over many of the starting roles as most would be juniors or redshirt sophomores, or transfer seniors.

    I knew the recruiting was bad under Mack, but I didn’t realize it was that bad. Makes me wonder about status of 2010’s recruiting class…

  28. NotNasti September 17, 2013 8:41 am

    Heat + Humidity = Fussy, Negative People.

    Stay inside, near the a/c, or go and find a/c. Better yet, jump in the ocean. You’ll feel better.

  29. SteveM September 17, 2013 8:55 am

    Good morning everyone!

    Congrats to Jordan Pu‘u-Robinson. Have a breakout year!

  30. sean September 17, 2013 8:57 am

    Going into 3rd game of the year, how many of us thought we would be 2-0? Not me, defense looks a lot better than in the past, our players are getting bigger, faster, and stronger! With the quality of players that we’ve played against so far, are future looks pretty good!!! The mantra should be 1 snap and clear, 1 game and clear, and get better each week.


    Rainbow Warriors – 28

    Reno – 13

  31. haka September 17, 2013 8:57 am

    I think the movement of the 2011 class was greatly affected by the coaching change.

  32. (Jesse)James September 17, 2013 9:10 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!!

    Glad to hear that Jordan will be allowed to play an additional year.

  33. (Jesse)James September 17, 2013 9:16 am

    One Game. One Team. One Goal

    #19 D1…I think the first “Grand Opening” is referred to as a “soft” opening these days…then the “Grand Opening”…LOL 🙂

  34. Slugger September 17, 2013 9:25 am

    Good morning, gang!

    Best of luck to all of the 2011 Warriors, there or on the mainland. My boys!

    Good luck to the Rainbow Warriors this weekend! Can’t watch or listen to the game on Sat. again. Hula halau function. 🙁

    ST or PowderPuff ~

    Please say HI! to my friend Ken who does the stats for Reno. He works in IT at UN-R.

  35. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 9:26 am


    Thanks for doing all that homework on the 2011 recruits. 4 starters here and a few who are probably starters elsewhere or will be starters, like Blake Muir. That wasn’t a bad class of recruits for Hawaii. With 85 scholarships, less than half of all your recruits can be starters anyway.

  36. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 9:29 am

    Mack’s 2010 recruits.

    2013 starters = 7

    % still on 2013 roster (not counting finished eligibility) = 60% (15 of 25)

    Kody Afusia – Starting Guard

    Sampson Anguay – backup RB

    Darius Bright – finished eligibility (transfer)

    Siaki Cravens – finished eligibility (transfer)

    Desmond Dean – left program last year after 2012

    Dustin Elisara – backup FB

    Ipulasi Eselu – Grayshirted attended West Oahu College, never made it to UH

    Calen Friel – Grayshirt? redshirted 2011, season ending knee injury 2012, currently a backup DT

    Tyler Hadden – Kicker

    John Hardy-Tuliau – Starting Safety

    Sterling Jackson – finished eligibility (transfer)

    David Katina – never made it to UH that I could find

    Corey Lau – grayshired 2011, never made it to UH

    Dave Lefotu – Guard

    Tuulauena Lolohea – never made it to UH, reported to enter ministry… very cool

    Frank Loyd Jr – backup OL

    Dee Maggitt – starting CB

    Bubba Poueu-Luna – backup WR

    Zachary Quines – Attended Arizona Western CC, currently playing for Central Missouri Mules

    Moses Samia – starting DT

    Allen Sampson – backup WR

    London Sapolu – finished eligibility (transfer)

    Sean Shigematsu – Tackle

    Dominick Sierra – attended Cerritos CC, currently playing at Northern Colorado

    Kevin Spain – transferred to Scottsdale CC in 2012

    TJ Laimatuia – Starting LB

    Lancer Tuitele – never made it to UH

    Marcus Umu – attended Mt San Antonio CC, no further info that I could find

    Beau Yap – starting DE

  37. J.V. Sr. September 17, 2013 9:32 am

    Aloha and good morning too you all.

    Great news for, Jordan. He has worked extremely hard and has worked his way through adversity.

    For the 2011 class, number 31 haka couldn’t have said it any better. With change in a system, some of the players for that class either didn’t meet the criteria or didn’t fit the system. For some people to say that the 2011 class was “Weak” My boy was a part of that recruiting class so I am offended by that. Your opinion is yours and I can respect that, but those types of negative opinions show the character you are. Although my son is not contributing at the position he was recruited for, his decision to stay home and help the team in areas they need help at, regardless of the changes to the program has made him a better person. He grew up watching his uncle’s play and had dreamed one day he would be in a warrior uniform playing for his people. Lets keep it real gang and lets continue to support our team rega

  38. Maddog50 September 17, 2013 9:32 am

    #30 Sean, Iam with you. I believe in these kids, their intentions and effort….I believe in these coaches….Go Warriors!!!!! We gotta score 4X on offense and we are in it to win it—-

  39. jimmy the lock September 17, 2013 9:35 am

    Go back to the past blogs and read the hype on the 2011 recruits. So much “Promise”. Best of luck to those who pulled stakes. Sometimes it’s better to do what’s best for “I” instead of “team”.

    For those in the now, GO RAINBOW WARRIORS!

    Road trip WARRIORS.

    Road trip WAHINE.

    GO GO GO!

  40. J.V. Sr. September 17, 2013 9:36 am

    regardless of circumstances. Stay positive, stay blessed, keep supporting our warriors.

    Go Warriors!!!!

    My apologies I accidentally pressed the submit comment.

  41. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 9:36 am

    31.. true. That’s basically how UH is getting Kory Rasmussen from Colorado. Sure he was given the boot for violation of team rules, but Macintyre is cleaning house and that was a convenient reason to drop Kory.

    Every new coach inheriting a bad team has to clean house and start over his way. Just the way it works. It’s not like Nick Saban taking over Alabama in 2007, where the roster had talent, but unsatisfactory results. Even inheriting talent, Saban went 6-6 in the regular season.

  42. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 9:37 am

    continued from 41… in 2007

  43. Naks8 September 17, 2013 9:41 am

    There are a lot of factors for success. Offense is playing a ton of young guys, which makes it hard to win. Defense has a lot of veterans, and seem to be doing better. Got give kids time to develop, not to mention we didn’t have a full time strength coach. It will be good to get puu, iosefa and stutz back to get some seasoned players back on offense

  44. Buffoman September 17, 2013 10:06 am

    #37. Your son is a true Warrior. It could have been an opportunity to cut and run when a new team of coaches with a different philosophy arrived. The fact that your son chose to stay, keep working in the classroom and on the field is a testiment to his character. A true Warrior.

  45. RedZone September 17, 2013 10:06 am

    Saban suspended players in 2007 due to NCAA violations.

  46. BigWave96744 September 17, 2013 10:07 am

    Will Gregory is also at Mt San Antonio College with Justin Alo.

    Will is the second go to guy in their running scheme.

    Justin is the backup QB

  47. Marleysdad September 17, 2013 10:11 am

    Hey, I got an idea…..Let’s support the players we have now.

    Go Warriors!!!!

  48. iwonderwhytheyhateme September 17, 2013 10:13 am


    Hawaii 38 – Nevada 14

  49. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 10:14 am

    oh wow, Gregory went to MSAC also? That should be a strong JC team this year as Gregory was one of the few bright spots on offense last year.

    there seems to be a good connection there with UH as several players have come from there, plus I think one or two JC transfers on the BB team went to MSAC also.

  50. hossana September 17, 2013 10:14 am

    To Naks8, The Pillar, Former UH Athlete, MadDog50 and the rest of the positive bloggers….you folks have a real understanding of the system of building a good strong foundation……its a joy reading the blogs you folks write because it makes sense and are very positive and supportive…to the naysayers esp. those that said that Chow can’t recruit and doesn’t know dis ‘n dat…just makes me sick with all their negativity and stupidity..they probably never played organized football and probably don’t even know what the hell is a jockstrap…oh, well….it takes time to build a program and within couple yrs. I know this team will excel…..but it does takes time and patience to build a successful program…….nothing more and nothing less.

  51. primo123 September 17, 2013 10:15 am

    Recruiting is the life blood of a team’s success…..coaches changing, system’s changing, all come into play. Mack’s success and/or failure comes down to how he recruited. Same with Chow.

    Hey….didnt we get Graham because of a coaching change too??

    I think if we get four touchdown’s this week, we’ll have our first “W” of the season.

    Go Bows!

  52. Da Punchbowl Kid September 17, 2013 10:15 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂

    A special aloha to J.V. Sr. – we are blessed by all of our parents and players who are or were ever a part of the Warrior ‘ohana. Staying positive and supporting the team and coaches is job #1 for fans. Critics need to understand that many parents read here, but don’t post. I’m glad to read things from a parents perspective. Mahalo to you J.V. Sr.

    Great news for Jordan, returning to play and getting an extra year. My wife has known his family since he was little kid, and she was amazed to see the big man he has grown into.

    Haven’t been keeping track, but won’t the Warriors be the healthiest they’ve been all season when they play this week?


  53. primo123 September 17, 2013 10:16 am

    Hawaii 31 – Nevada 24

    We just gotta score!

  54. RedZone September 17, 2013 10:21 am

    Could be that the Warriors will be the healthiest since Chow has been a coach here.

  55. RedZone September 17, 2013 10:24 am

    We get chance. Nevada does not have the dbs to contain our receivers. Go deep Norm. Go deep. It could be the break out game for Taylor.

  56. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 10:26 am

    Could be the healthiest that our warriors have been since 2006-7.

  57. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 10:28 am

    From Nevada’s football blog…

    Fajardo is day-to-day. “I’m hopeful he’ll be ready to play,” Polian said. “I can’t guarantee you that.”

    QB2 Combs is ruled out, as the severity of his knee is not known yet. QB3 & QB4 are getting reps in practice. Linebacker Dobrich & CB Favors are probable. The top two RBs are still nursing injuries and might play. RB3 Soloman likely to start as he was good vs FSU.

    He [Polian] said the physical nature of those games [UCLA and FSU] have made it difficult to be ready for conference play.

    “We are clearly not at full strength with our fifth-string running back and third-string quarterback,” Polian said. “… Are we going to be physically intact, ready for conference play? Right now I don’t think you can say that.”

  58. BigWave96744 September 17, 2013 10:28 am

    Lau and Lolohea both made it to UH, but left spring camp 2011 after a few days.

    Lasi Eselu also made it to UH, lasted the spring camp 2012 then was not invited back to the fall

    As for Ben Mamea, I heard he went on an LDS mission and still has a desire to be a Warrior

  59. al September 17, 2013 10:37 am

    I would think that at least 33 1/3 % to 50 % of the 33 starters should come from 3rd year players.

  60. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 10:40 am

    51… yes. Graham sought out Chow after Urban Meyer was hired at Ohio St. It was pretty clear Meyer’s offense doesn’t suit Grahams skill set.

    What’s nice to hear is that quality D1 players are wanting to transfer to UH play for Chow. That didn’t happen much with the last few coaches. Rasmussen, Graham, Pedroza & Castro were all pretty high profile recruits that sought out Chow after they decided to leave their respective schools.

  61. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 10:43 am

    58.. thanks for corrections… there wasn’t any detailed info I could find on the guys who may have enrolled, but failed to make the team. Usually you can find a guy if they end up at JC but if they didn’t go play somewhere, the info trail is tough.

  62. Warrior Storm Brewin September 17, 2013 10:53 am

    Just heard Nick Rolovich on Bobby Curran’s show.

    He said he is very happy in Reno and feels fortunate to learn about the Pistol from Chris Ault before he left. I’m happy for Rolo. Good for him.

    Football wise, he didn’t give much away. Didn’t talk about Fajardo. Mostly generic stuff. Understandable.

    Me, I think Fajardo will play. Nevada can’t afford to lose against Hawaii.

    In Reno, injuries or not, A win is a win. And a win can be had by the Warriors. We are good enough.

    No critic will give Coach Chow or UH a pass if we lose, injuries or not.

    Remember this: Hawaii was picked Last in the Mountain West. LAST!

    Mountain Division:

    1. Boise State (40), 245

    2. Utah State (1), 204

    3. Air Force, 143

    4. Wyoming, 116

    5. Colorado State, 90

    6. New Mexico, 63

    West Division

    1. Fresno State (39), 243

    2. San Diego State (1), 181

    3. San Jose State (1), 172

    4. Nevada, 135

    5. UNLV, 71

    6. Hawaii, 59

    Plus, let us not forget. When we go to Reno, we play up at 4,000+ feet elevation. Advantage, Nevada.

    Spread? Hawaii is a 11 point dog. Even with Fajardo questionable, 11 point dog. Whoa Nellie.

    The more I think about it, the more I think Fajardo will try to play. They absolutely can’t afford to lose this game.

    Some people think that Nevada has a high-powered passing offense, but that’s not true.

    Did you know that Nevada is a run heavy team? So far in 2013, they ran the ball 153 times vs the pass 55 times.

    Even last year (2012), Nevada ran the ball 674 times and passed 271 times. 41 rushing TDs vs 24 passing TDs.

    If we can stuff the run…will be interesting.

    The latest week 4 power ranking by bleacher report has Hawaii at #102 and Nevada at #85. Not that this is gospel, but it’s still someone’s opinion that has some basis to it.

    So, we’re an 11 point underdog, playing at 4,000+ feet altitude, and picked last in the MWC. Nevada is supposed to win by all accounts.

    Remember that Nevada pounded us in our house last year. They and the critics didn’t care that we had many injuries.

    That means I don’t care how we win. A win is a win. (As long, as it’s not dirty.)

    Just play hard, gentlemen!

    Even though 0-2 against tough opponents, you’ve already made me a proud Warrior fan this year!

    And getting better every week.

    Isn’t it exciting?

    A good time to be a Warrior and a Warrior Fan!

  63. jimmy the lock September 17, 2013 10:55 am

    BigWave96744 has sources in the NSA. 😆

  64. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 10:57 am


    For mid-majors like UH, that percentage would probably include a number of JC transfers whose first year might be their 3rd year. But that makes them recruits of a different year. When they are gone, the freshman recruited the same year had become a 3rd year player. Some of those starting spots are also taken by walk-ons, preferred and otherwise.

    So, scholarship/recruited percentages as starters for any given year are still probably in the 25% bracket for UH. Probably much higher in the 4th and 3rd years for the better ranking schools.

  65. BigWave96744 September 17, 2013 11:01 am

    Not NSA, just NS… North Shore 🙂

  66. jimmy the lock September 17, 2013 11:04 am

    Keep the country country.

  67. BigWave96744 September 17, 2013 11:05 am

    #66 Amen and Amene

  68. BigWave96744 September 17, 2013 11:05 am

    #66 Amen and Amene

  69. Jonj September 17, 2013 11:09 am

    I look at that class and it isn’t so bad like everyone is saying except for the lack of OLine. You have 4 starters who left in T Davis, M Edwards, B Miur and w Gregory. I think our future qb in ikaika woosley. 4 of 7 JC guys starters one left early for NFL. And there’s no telling on those other guys who left could have done. Typically you recruit high schoolers to develop, contribute to special teams in early years and start later

  70. haka September 17, 2013 11:09 am


    The state of Hawaii ranks 11th in NFL players produced per capita for the 2013 season, according to a study released today.

    USA Football, which conducted the study, said Hawaii had nine players on opening weekend rosters or one NFL player per every 151,145 residents, based upon 2010 census data.

    “We take our hat off to Hawaii,” said Steve Alic of USA Football.

    Louisiana, with 62 players, or one per 73,119 people, topped the list of 48 states, the District of Columbia, seven countries and one territory. South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida rounded out the top five.

    The national average was one player per 269,177 U. S. residents.

    California, with 225 players on NFL rosters, produced the most players followed by Florida (186) and Texas (184).

    Among high schools, Miami (Fla.) Norland High and Saint Thomas Aquinas of Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. each produced six players. Baldwin, Hawaii Prep and Saint Louis School topped Hawaii schools, each contributing two players on 2013 NFL rosters.

  71. Jonj September 17, 2013 11:15 am

    Also mike sellers was the starting nickel back in 2011 and I believe van ackren also started a few games last year

  72. LizKauai September 17, 2013 11:15 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    I found an interesting article – hope some of you will access to Al Jazeera America will watch and report..


    Today is the release of Armen Keteyian and Jeff Benedict’s “The System: The Glory and Scandal of Big-Time College Football.” (Full disclosure: I was the book’s lead researcher and wrote a chapter.)

    With college athletics facing a range of questions about health concerns and whether to compensate student-athletes, “The System” helps to crystallize some of the biggest issues the NCAA is facing, specifically in college football.

    “I fear for college football,” Keteyian told The New York Times. “It’s a runaway train.”

    With the release of the book, America Tonight explores some of the most noteworthy numbers on the state of college football. (All of the data and information listed below is mentioned and cited in “The System.”)

  73. kifi September 17, 2013 11:17 am

    For the sake of comparison.

    Down the middle in 2013:

    (Years as a starter in parentheses)

    Iosefa (2)[Wily/Lakalaka (0)]

    Graham (0)

    Clarke (1)

    Matagiese (1)

    Laurel (1)

    Hardy-Tuliau (2)

    *five years starting experience in the first two games. Will be seven if or when Iosefa returns.

    Down the middle in 2006:

    Ilaoa (1)

    Brennan (1)

    Satele (3)

    Lafaele (1)

    Elimimian (2)

    Peters (3)

    **Eleven years starting experience for the ’06 season.

  74. kifi September 17, 2013 11:21 am

    #73 – I apologize if the numbers for starting experience are inaccurate.

  75. Warrior Storm Brewin September 17, 2013 11:25 am

    excerpts from an article today by Jeremy Mauss:

    “Luckily this week’s opponent is Hawaii and that should allow for Stewart to have a good game, assuming he starts.”

    “Solomon had a very good showing against Florida State with 108 yards and he should have some good success against a lesser opponent in Hawaii.”


  76. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 11:28 am


    just picked some random quality programs depth charts to see how the age breakdown was… pretty interesting…

    I didn’t count special teams, only the 22 offense/defense starters

    I believe these were week 1 depth charts:

    Boise St. – (17 Sr; 3 Jr; 2 So; 0 Fr)

    Alabama – (8 Sr; 10 Jr; 4 So; 0 Fr)

    Utah St – (14 Sr; 6 Jr; 2 So; 0 Fr)

    Ohio St – (9 Sr; 9 Jr; 4 So; 0 Fr)

    Fresno St – (8 Sr; 8 Jr; 5 So; 1 Fr)

    2012 UH Week 1 – (1 Sr; 11 Jr; 7 So; 1 Fr)

    2013 UH Week 2 – (8 Sr; 8 Jr; 4 So; 2 Fr)

    I used week 2 because UH went 5 wide to start vs USC, so that’s not the normal alignment. Also, regular starter M. Jackson (So) didn’t play and Clay (Sr) started in week two so it should be 7 Sr and 5 So.

  77. kifi September 17, 2013 11:33 am

    Some people like to go down the middle but actually add a left tackle on offense and a shut down corner on defense, for a total of eight people. Some camps consider that the cornerstones of a team. So when measuring the perceived strength or weakness of a team, we can start at the middle, or cornerstones and work out. We measure the experience at the cornerstones and then determine where we need to build, in order to make up for weaknesses.

    Measurements do not determine success. It just gives us a place to begin working. Strong numbers tell to watch for complacency and over confidence. Weak numbers say that you need to teach well and pay attention to detail.

  78. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 11:36 am

    Former UH Athlete,

    Now, if you take away any JC college transfer from those senior and jr starters.. we’d probably get down to about 25% of the recruiting class for each year for UH, a mid-major.

    So, being able to recruit 7-8 starters per recruiting class is close to where we are at. The 2011 class was not bad by that yard stick. Of course, we want to improve on that.

  79. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 11:36 am

    UH’s depth chart was a shuffled a lot in 2012 dealing with injuries and Chow trying to figure out who can play and who couldn’t in the new system. During the USC game, the announcers mentioned UH lost more starters to injury than any other program in the FBS.

    Program in transition usually have to shuffle the depth chart the first few years as the coach learns more about his personnel. It’ll usually stabilize once the coach fills the roster with his guys.

  80. Jonj September 17, 2013 11:38 am

    FUHA what’s the 2011 starter break down week 1 and last game?? I’m on a phone that would b hard

  81. haka September 17, 2013 11:47 am

    The middle of the field definitely got stronger with the return of Iosefa, Tulimasealii and Jackson along with Daley, Henderson and Borden cleared for takeoff!!!

  82. Haleakala September 17, 2013 11:50 am

    Lots of informative posts today! Especially from Former UH Athlete, J.V. Sr., Warrior Storm Brewing, Kifi and Haka. You guys do a lot of research!

    Plus it’s always good to read the posts by the old timers. That’s why I check in here every day to find out what’s going on.

  83. Whats up September 17, 2013 11:51 am

    As the years went on Mack recruiting classes got less talented as a whole. But lets not put down all the hold over recruits, because thats not fair. Beau Yap, Samia, Daley, Tavita and many others are playing there hearts out for Hawaii and are very talented studs. The areas were Mack holdover recruits lacked talent was in the O line, WR, RB and QB. You got to share the blame for the lack of Offensive recruiting talent, after June Jones left there was no one with any credibly as a coach. Rolo, Miano, Lee brothers were great local icons as far as Hawaii. But never had the national name credibility of a June Jones or Norm Chow, hence why so many true freshman, new or young players starting or getting playing time on offense.

    I’m stunned that the Chow/Kaumeyer/Demo/Tuioti/Daronte/Powell/Rauscher/Weisehman/Naole recruits are keeping up with or overtaking the holdover veterans from the Mack era. I would have never guessed that Keith Kirkwood would be in the starting rotation. Who would guessed that last season Nequan, Marrel and Garcia Williams would be studs. The future looks good with the talent that is coming to Hawaii because of Norm Chow via High School, JC, Transfers and Walk-Ons.

  84. PolyMom September 17, 2013 12:13 pm

    Former UH Athlete

    I read your list. How these kids fall through the cracks is due to not being able to qualify. Also for our big guy, by the time I got him and brought him to the mainland, the paper he signed was not an actual LIT. It was like fraud and deception to the boyl My husband had to contact the NCAA regarding what they were actually offering. It was NOTHING! Then we sent many emails to Ron Lee, Mack, and Lumpkin and NEVER got any response. Nothing. We kept our cell records as we must have called them over 250 times in the course of 2 months. Finally we had to begin exploring options and contacted Norm Chow at UCLA. He was so helpful in explains what was signed, what he needed to qualify. Not once did he as Coach Chow try to steal the kid. He wanted him, but had integrity to not do that. We both knew Mack was on his last legs at UH. And I think Chow knew in his hear he wanted the Hawaii job. But it was Norm Chow and Don Weir who helped do all the leg work. Kids don’t play there as there was a huge lack of communication. Those jokers were like the cast of characters!!! My husband was so mad…it then became funny. Lumpkin treated my husband terribly. You have no idea. When we flew to Hawaii he would not commit and give us any answers. Now you know why our team sucked so bad.

    And the first injury we blame Mack…having a two year old running on the field at practice. If the big boy did not stop and break the run, he would have seriousley hurt and injured that 2 year old kid. Last years injury was due to getting tangled up. That is a legit injury.

  85. PolyMom September 17, 2013 12:14 pm

    Our contact at the NCAA her name is Jennifer if any parents need help. She was awesome to work with.

  86. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 12:18 pm

    78… true. But Mack’s best recruits were all transfers (Moniz, Green, Edwards, Brown). Very few of Mack’s prep recruits have made it to starting roles. The starting Oline, all except for Milovale, are Mack’s guys and are really struggling. That’s been the weakest unit last year and 2 games into this year.

    Chow is making adjustments on the line as we saw last week. Griffin took over at RT and Milovale shifted over to replace Shigemasu at LT, and Loyd replaced Lefotu at RG vs Oregon St. Pass blocking was better but the run blocking was still not good.

    The good news is that Nevada does not have the big athletic DLine USC had. USC’s 5-2 DLine went 6’3″ 285; 6’5″ 270; 6’1″ 315 in the middle, and 6’2″ 250; 6’3″ 260 at DE. USC had speed and athleticism all over the Dline. Oregon St’s Dline went 6’3″ 300; 6’0″ 345 at DT, and 6’3″ 265; 6’2″ 260 at the ends. OSU wasn’t that athletic but they are really big and UH could not get any push all game.

    Nevada’s DLine goes: 280lb & 280lb at DT and both DEs are 255lb. They are nowhere near as athletic as USC and nowhere as big as Oregon St. I like UH’s chances of opening some holes for the RBs for the first time this year. Both UCLA and FSU had no problems pushing Nevada around and getting blockers to the 2nd level to neutralize Nevada’s tackling machine MLB Dobrich.

    Looking at Nevada’s win over UC Davis. Although UCD didn’t have the talent to compete vs Nevada, they were able to rip big runs against the Nevada defense.

  87. wafan September 17, 2013 12:20 pm

    Huzzah for Jordan!

  88. wafan September 17, 2013 12:21 pm

    Best wishes to Brian!

    Family comes first.

  89. wafan September 17, 2013 12:22 pm

    Pomai . . .

    31 – 14, ‘Bows, naturally.

  90. wafan September 17, 2013 12:23 pm

    Nice to see the place neat and clean.

  91. wafan September 17, 2013 12:24 pm

    Best part, and what makes this blog work, are the civil comments made by members of the ‘Bow and Warrior communities.


  92. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 12:29 pm

    More notes for Saturday…

    Nevada is still a run first team. They call run 75.5% on 1st down this season. Kaumeyer can use this to his advantage by playing the tendencies. I think its a good idea to load vs the run and force Fajardo to prove his knee is healthy enough to beat UH’s through the air. Look for Kaumeyer to let NeQuan and Maggitt go one on one more this game and JH-T and Jackson/Clay to creep up vs the read-option.

    Fajardo’s bad knee is his plant leg and as you’ve seen with RG3 with the Redskins, you lose velocity and accuracy of you don’t plant and drive off the right leg.

    The run % is a little off because Nevada was in clear retreat mode in the 2nd half of the FSU game and were running clock vs UCD during the whole 4th quarter.

  93. Derek September 17, 2013 12:48 pm

    Two consecutive bad recruiting classes in 2010 and 2011 set back the Hawaii program at least 4, maybe 5 years. Mack’s first class in 2009 probably wasn’t that great either. I think that was the year that they got QBs Corey Nielsen ad Kevin Spain, two guys who didn’t measure up to Division I standards. In Spain’s case he was always hurt. So when you look at it, maybe it was 3 bad recruiting classes. We are surely paying for those big mistakes now. When you look at it, I think things will get better. Last year, 3 wins. We had a chance to win games at Colorado State, at Air Force, against New Mexico if we had some breaks and some better play. This years schedule is harder than last year. Well, maybe. The Mountain West has taken their lumps in the non-conference schedule overall. Nevada and San Diego State might not be as strong as people thought. But, I think we’ll be a lot more competitive than last year, and yet it might not show on the win column. We can see that the defense has improved after seeing USC and Oregon State. I hope our offense will start to be more consistent and sustain drives more and more.

  94. d1shima September 17, 2013 12:49 pm


    You got a mouse in yer pocket?

  95. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 12:52 pm

    If Fajardo plays, and they get back one of their starting RBs. I would still expect Nevada to go to the air more often than in the previous two games. Against Hawaii, Nevada won’t be as concerned about running the clock down to help the Defense catch it’s breath. I think we will see a more balanced attack from Nevada if Fajardo is back. If the third string QB starts, they will probably run more.

  96. bowwar September 17, 2013 12:53 pm

    Mack was the HC, so he shouldered alot of the blame. (buck stops there) However, much of the recruiting problems stemmed from his Assistants who either: Didn’t recruit (e.g. Mouse Davis), Didn’t know how to recruit, or Did absolutely nothing…You can fill-in the blanks on those…If Mack had a staff like Chow, he’d probably do better on recruiting, but instead he had to “inherit” alot of baggage left by JJ. The best thing Chow did was “clean house” and hire an entirely new staff except for one carry-over.

  97. PolyMom September 17, 2013 1:00 pm

    Mack had two winning seasons after JJ. He wasn’t left with scrubs.

  98. bowwar September 17, 2013 1:08 pm

    Polymom: I was referencing the coaches not the players…No players are scrubs…It’s the coaches who develop and foster the growth of players. In that regard, Chow has done a better job in hiring better assistants in my opinion.

  99. Former UH Athlete September 17, 2013 1:15 pm

    I’m done piling on UH’s former head coach. Like the Bob Nash era of UH Basketball, that’s the past and now the next coach is rebuilding the program.

    BTW… UH basketball is going to be really good the next few years. I think they have 2 potential NBA players on the roster. Isaac Fotu is a 6’8″ stud and transfer Negus Webster-Chan is going to be a star once he’s eligible next year. Gib Arnold finally has UH’s first good PG in 10 years in Keith Shamburger eligible this year and he has two high flying athletes in redshirt freshman Aaron Valdes and true freshman Michael Thomas ready to go this year. The future looks very promising as UH has 2 freshmen centers at 6’10” and 6’11”. Most of the team is still young.

    Pack the Stan Sheriff this year! Go Bows!

  100. NotNasti September 17, 2013 1:20 pm

    Chow’s recruiting is better because he has placed an emphasis on recruiting. He requires all of his assistants to participate in recruiting, and said during an interview last year that they (assistants) are required to send out a minimum (I forget the number he used) number of letters to recruits every week. Does the full-court press make a difference to recruits? I don’t think it can hurt. They are 18 – 20 year old kids, and very impressionable. Maybe parents and/or former athletes that went through the recruiting process can chime in.

  101. Independent Thinker September 17, 2013 1:21 pm

    Interesting place.

    The rules as I understand them, as explained to all by the vocal majority, and you know who you are:

    1. If you do not believe in chow and UH blindly, as a matter of faith, then you are scum and you are not welcome here.

    2. If you say anything that challenges traditional wisdom or that is not in agreement with the mob and the mob’s mentality, then you are scum and you are not welcome here.

    I’d say at this point that the rules as continually enforced and pronounced here, and you know who you are, will either produce more victores for the UH (I have no idea how this will happen) or it will lead to more people dressing up in purple workout suits, with white nikes, in anticipation of the next coming of Haley’s comet.

  102. NotNasti September 17, 2013 1:25 pm

    IT, I think you are taking things out of context. Positivity and trust does not equal blind faith. It is the delivery of your opinions, and not your opinions itself that seems to turn people off. But I think you like it that way.

  103. RedZone September 17, 2013 1:25 pm

    Nevada has All MWC defensive end. We will need to run some to keep him in check. FSU had speed to get to the outside and when they did the Wolfpack did not have enough speed to counter. Their dline like ours is the strength of their defense. Their dline is not as good as ours so if our oline can get a good push on them we will be able to run it up the gut. But we still will need to attack the perimeter with speed. Fajardo is their running quarterback. After him there is no one. If he is not there it will affect what they want to do on offense. Some from Nevada have said that Rolo ran more in their first 2 games because the opponents they were playing and the need to keep their offenses off the field. They expect Rolo to go to the air more in this game. I think our d can handle Nevadas o. We have the personnel to do so. We just got to play smart.

  104. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 1:29 pm


    Your #1 and #2? I do those quite regularly. #1, I think many here question Chow’s play calling. Not the person, his values, ideals, or knowledge, just his game time play calling. #2. I just challenged al on his percentage of 3rd year players that start. I love braddah, al, think he and his little birdie are among the most knowledgeable of Warrior fans. But we can have divergent views.

  105. NotNasti September 17, 2013 1:30 pm

    IT, if for argument’s sake, we win the rest of our games, and go 10 – 2 and win big in the Hawaii bowl, will you be happy for the team? Do you cheer and hope for their success? If so, then you and the “mob” are all on the same side. Same Team. It’s okay to disagree, but try to be a gentleman about it, and everybody will get off your back, if that’s what you want.

  106. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 1:31 pm


    I agree… against UC Davis, Nevada threw for 268 yards and ran for 288. That’s a very balanced attack.

  107. RedZone September 17, 2013 1:36 pm

    mih a reporter from Nevada said that he was surprised because Rolos play calling was like Ault. But he thinks that they will open it up more against UH.

  108. jimmy the lock September 17, 2013 1:37 pm

    There are rules?

    Nah, it’s mostly repetitious posts.

  109. J.V. Sr. September 17, 2013 1:37 pm

    Mahalo to all. To be a part of a program, tradition, ohana is always a blessing. Make the best of what you have and do the best you can do. Life is short, it’s longer when we are positive and have less stress in our lives. Let’s not take things for granted and cherish the moments and opportunities we have now in life. Stay blessed my friends and family, stay blessed, Aloha.

  110. RedZone September 17, 2013 1:38 pm

    Bottom line is we will need to show them that we can score. And do it early in the game.

  111. NotNasti September 17, 2013 1:39 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Ferd Lewis is reporting that UH is in the running to play a make-up game with Colorado this year (October 19). The problem is that it would have to be a road game, our 7th.

  112. JuneJonesleftusgetoverit September 17, 2013 1:41 pm

    Ok..So here on the Chow thing.

    He is paid terribly at $550,000. We should feel lucky we have anyone with a name anyone knows at that price. You guys think we are going to get someone good with that salary offer? What he has done in recruiting alone is worth his pay. Mac was at 1.2 million btw.

    You guys always comment that we need good receivers like Salas, Owens, Bess….

    Sorry but their freshman years were either redshirt, under 10 catches or in jail…Give the boys a chance.

    Open offense. Check the plays. Heck we opened there year in a 4 receiver set. Our receivers and quarterback are not yet on the same page, so you have to scale back.

    We are going to win in Nevada. Accept it Hawaii fans. Believe it. We have some of the most self-defeating fans in the country .

  113. iwonderwhytheyhateme September 17, 2013 1:42 pm

    Pass on Ralphie and Buffs.

  114. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 1:45 pm


    If we need the money, we might have to agree to it. Maybe it will get us brownie points with the PAC 12 down the road. IMHO, the more often we play those teams, here and there, the better our odds of getting included in the future.

  115. haka September 17, 2013 1:46 pm

    But for a million bucks…maybe….

  116. RedZone September 17, 2013 1:48 pm

    Did the Buffalos reschedule their game with Fresno?

  117. iwonderwhytheyhateme September 17, 2013 1:49 pm

    $1.25M and you got yourself a deal! 🙂

  118. Shoko September 17, 2013 1:49 pm

    Hold on, folks. Let’s not be too quick to dismiss Colorado. Let’s see if it comes with a nice fat pay check. UH could use some of that PAC12 TV dollars.

  119. RedZone September 17, 2013 1:51 pm

    It is so important to have teams that still want to play UH.

  120. NotNasti September 17, 2013 1:52 pm

    According to Ferd, rescheduling with Fresno is a no-go.

  121. iwonderwhytheyhateme September 17, 2013 1:53 pm

    The Hawaii Bowl will be that much harder to get to. Dave Matlin has had an unenviable job the past few years.

  122. Independent Thinker September 17, 2013 1:54 pm

    Don’t know about rules, but there are definitely clowns masquerading as comics.

  123. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 1:54 pm

    UH and Colorado should announce a game.. and Colorado and UH should put up a portion of the proceeds to help victims of the flooding based on what the fans donate coming through the gates.

  124. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 1:55 pm

    Colorado stands to lose 4.7 million in revenue if they can’t find a suitable replacement to play at home. So I think there is room to negotiate.

  125. iwonderwhytheyhateme September 17, 2013 1:58 pm

    MIH #123,

    If they do play, donating some of those proceeds is an excellent idea. #perspective

  126. jimmy the lock September 17, 2013 1:58 pm

    Would Hawaii make more money playing at Colorado than playing in the Hawaii Bowl? Is it about the money? Qualifying for the Hawaii Bowl is not a given.

  127. Independent Thinker September 17, 2013 1:59 pm

    From the article cited by lizkauai above:

    “This may sound silly,” she said in “The System,” “but my experience with the Orange Pride really altered the way I thought of the university. And it altered it in a bad way. People there were crazy about sports.”

    Reading some of the stuff here makes me wonder about the sanity of the true believers.

  128. Shoko September 17, 2013 2:00 pm

    The way I read it is that both Colorado and Fresno still trying to figure out a reschedule date. They should talk to San Diego State since they have an open date, too. Would cost less than trying to reschedule with Hawaii.

  129. Bozo September 17, 2013 2:00 pm

    Who you calling a comic?

  130. Shoko September 17, 2013 2:04 pm

    Anyway, Devin Combs, Fajardo’s backup, who went down last weekend apparently suffered a torn ACL. He’s out for the season and would probably apply for a medical redshirt. Can’t believe he was still playing a few more snaps well after he suffered the injury. That’s grit!

  131. Ipu Man September 17, 2013 2:05 pm

    UH 21 – UN Reno 17

  132. NYUHTX September 17, 2013 2:17 pm

    I didn’t realize Mike Sellers transferred to Sacramento State. I thought he quite good and a future star.

  133. haka September 17, 2013 2:23 pm

    127 IT

    No one here really cares what you wonder about,

    Only that you wander about here without care.

  134. WarriorNY September 17, 2013 2:31 pm

    Hey guys,

    I was browsing around and came across this article… I don’t know what the competition is like at that level but looks like Cayman Shutter is doing well…


  135. wafan September 17, 2013 2:32 pm

    UH v. CU not going to happen.

  136. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 2:34 pm


    Mahalo for the link. Good to see Cayman doing well playing football and finishing school.

  137. jimmy the lock September 17, 2013 2:37 pm

    On the subject of comics…pre-stupid-joke-Friday.

    Little Red Riding Hood skips down a path to Grandma’s house and sees a wolf crouching behind a boulder, “My, what big eyes you have Mr. wolf.” The wolf gets up and runs away…

    Farther down the path LRRH sees the wolf crouching behind a tree stump and says, “What big ears you have Mr. wolf.” Same thing, the wolf runs away…

    Getting closer to Grandma’s house LRRH sees the wolf crouching behind Grandma’s mailbox and yells, “My what big teeth you have Mr. wolf.” The wolf stands up and yells back, “Leave me alone, I’m trying to take a shit!”

  138. jimmy the lock September 17, 2013 2:39 pm

    Yep Wafan, game over.

  139. ai-eee-soos September 17, 2013 2:40 pm

    as wafan said – no mo UH CU.

    Negotiations that would have sent the University of Hawaii to play a football game at Colorado next month have apparently fallen through.

    “We couldn’t make it work financially,” UH athletic director Ben Jay said today.

    see SA breaking news.

  140. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 17, 2013 2:40 pm

    Oh god, Independent “Thinker,” you’re such a joke. Like NotNasti said, it’s not so much your disagreeing with the direction the team is going but your delivery. In fact, actually, it’s probably your opinions that are more of a joke than the condescending tone you always address people in this forum with. We already know that your expectation is for Taylor Graham to immediately go into peyton manning mode and throw 7 tds or else he should be benched. We already know that after a season and one game (now two games), UH should be nationally ranked or else chow should be fired. we already know that you don’t consider any other perspective but your own and the only reason you post on here is to get your jollies by trying to impress people with how smart you are and bring in (irrelevant) cultural references like David Koresh and the Branch Davidian sect.

    here’s the thing: you don’t know what you’re talking about and you rub people the wrong way. that’s why people get on you. you’re a troll, even if you’re not doing it intentionally. reading your posts is no more informative than reading posts where people just repeat over and over “I BELIEVE!” and then forecast all UH scores to be a UH victory, 56-0, regardless of who the opponent is. I think it’s kind of silly to do that, but everyone here are fans, and they’re aware that it’s unrealistic and kind of silly but that’s how they show their support.

    you, on the other hand, post a bunch of ill informed crap that you try to pass off as fact, then try to be snide by saying weird phrases like “assemble your weapon and continue” and “you must putt from the rough,” whenever people get annoyed.

    if there are rules here, then they’re probably this: first, don’t be a know-it-all douchebag when you post. and secondly, don’t have a martyr complex when people call you out on your BS.

    btw, Pomai: Nevada- 24, UH 10.

  141. WarriorNY September 17, 2013 2:55 pm


    UH 45 – UNR 10

    I’m hoping Fajardo is one dimensional (if he plays). I think we get revenge on them for last year when we were so banged up and they took it to us…

    Joey Iosefa will cause problems with their defensive front… And our D continues dominant performance… I think this game could be a turning point for the NC era… Always the optimist… I hope you guys have a great evening…

  142. Noio September 17, 2013 3:07 pm

    Mr. Tsai – Does the list of 2011 recruits include players that were designated preferred walk-ons? Or just scholarship recipients?

    J.V.Sr. – thank you for your post! Very tactfully written. So happy for your son.

  143. Wes'side Warrior September 17, 2013 3:08 pm

    Good stuff, J.V. Sr.! Good to hear your kid is diligently working for the betterment of the TEAM too! Hats off to you and your ‘ohana!

    We seem to constantly go back to chastise past recruiting… every couple of months or so. I’m just looking at this coming weekend; excited at the possibility of our first “W”.

    Let’s go, Warriorz!

  144. NYUHTX September 17, 2013 3:19 pm

    Independent Stinker: We all want JJ back, who btw, is playing Texas A&M this weekend.

  145. mo808 September 17, 2013 3:36 pm

    Good afternoon folks!

    Happy Tuesday to all!

  146. mo808 September 17, 2013 3:39 pm

    Hui, Pomai!

    UH will have brieak out weekou against Nevada this week!

    UH 28 – Nevada 18

  147. mo808 September 17, 2013 3:42 pm

    Auwe, where ‘s da edit button?


    brieak = break & weekou=week end

  148. Independent Thinker September 17, 2013 3:45 pm

    JMIA Criminal: putt from the rough all you like. It’s your life to live. Live the way you know how. Putting from the rough suits your personality and style. More power to you.

    Your attempt at disparaging remarks was amusing. You actually managed to string together today a bunch of words into what had the makings of a cogent argument. Good for you!

  149. mo808 September 17, 2013 3:45 pm

    Aiyah! week end= weekend.

    That’s what I get for trying to type and snooze at the same time!

  150. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 3:47 pm


    No worries, we all speak 808, too.

  151. mo808 September 17, 2013 3:48 pm

    Shucks–still get trolls on the blog, huh? AUWE!

  152. mo808 September 17, 2013 3:49 pm

    mih! Tanks, yeah!

  153. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 17, 2013 3:54 pm

    Independent Thinker: you just proved my point. peace be the journey, brother.

  154. gobows September 17, 2013 3:54 pm

    who uses jock straps? compression shorts have made them obsolete.

  155. NotNasti September 17, 2013 4:26 pm

    FYI: former Wahine BB great Judy Mosely-McAfee has passed away. Best player to don a uniform for UH women’s BB team. She leaves behind a husband and four children. RIP.

  156. Down with... September 17, 2013 4:28 pm

    what’s so independent about independent thinker’s independent thinking other than he is dependent on everyone to read his posting in order for his independent thoughts to be considered independent thinking….awww someone needs attention…give IT a hug everyone

    Go Warriors put a “snicker” on the 50yard line after the game….

  157. haka September 17, 2013 4:34 pm

    Extremely sad to hear about Judy Mosely-McAfee.

    Rest in peace Judy.

    Rainbow Wahine forever!

  158. BigWave96744 September 17, 2013 4:42 pm

    Derek #93…

    In 2009 Mack signed Corey Nielsen, David Graves & Cayman Shutter

    In 2010 Mack signed Kevin Spain, who committed before Andrew Manley. Also though interested, no offer was made to Cody Fajardo

    Keeping in the same topic

    In 2011 Mack signed Justin Alo but no offer was made to Marcus Mariota

    In 2012 Chow signed Ikaika Woolsey and the only other QB offered is Nevada’s 4th string QB Tyler Stewart

    In 2013 Chow signed Aaron Zwahlen and QB turned DB Keelan Ewaliko

  159. Derek September 17, 2013 4:48 pm

    Leaving for Reno tomorrow night. Here’s this week(end) picks against the spread? P.S. I was 10-5 last week on the Football Fever, 9-6 the week before that.

    Texas A&M over SMU at A&M

    Fresno St. over Boise St. at Fresnho

    San Jose St. over Minnesota at Minny

    Utah over BYU at BYU

    Kansas St. over Texas at Texas

    Kansas over La Tech at Kansas

    Wisconsin over Purdue at Wisconsin

    NFL, I like Minnesota, Dallas, Arizona, Atlanta, Da Bears.

  160. Derek September 17, 2013 4:55 pm

    Big Wave, thanks. Good run down.

    2014 so far, Larry Tuileta. It’s not rocket science, no Mack QB recruits turned out to be the real deal as far are performing at the position. They are all good guys and good students. Too bad we couldn’t offer and get Fajardo. Hope Chow’s evaluations are better. I really like Zwahlen based on what I saw on tape. He’s got some wheels too.

  161. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 4:56 pm

    Sadly, UH’s former Wahine BB great, Judy Mosely – McAfee has passed away… Condolences for her ohana, I hope that they can revel in her accomplishments and good deeds and not grieve too long.


  162. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 4:59 pm

    QB don’t have to run for touchdowns, just gotta be able to gain a few and slide without getting injured.

  163. jm2375 (iPad) September 17, 2013 5:08 pm

    Condolences to Judy Moseley’s ohana. Way too young.

  164. kapakahi September 17, 2013 5:08 pm


    The assistants aren’t to blame for recruiting results…..at least locally…..under Mack. A very nice man, but just too indecisive with local recruiting approach. Sent mixed signals to his assistants….and to the prospects and their families…..yielding inconsistent results from passive approach.

    UH very fortunate to get Moses and Beau…..with very late offers. Lucky for UH that both local boys just wanted to play for the home team.

    Definitely more aggressive and persistent local recruiting approach nowadays. Now local prospects don’t have to wait until January/February to receive initial contact from UH…..like Moses and Beau had to wait.

  165. wafan September 17, 2013 5:12 pm

    Prayers and positive thoughts to the Moseley-McAfee families and friends.

  166. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 5:15 pm

    I kind of look at it like this..

    JJ sort of alienated a number local schools.

    Mack went about trying to repair those broken bridges..

    Chow is crossing those bridges..

    JJ put our program back on the map but often complained about the strict admissions requirements and lack of summer lodgings

    Mack created the bridge program to work around the requirements with borderline students and partial summer lodgings

    Chow is using that to his full advantage

    Every Coach has brought something special to the program.

    I’m sure, in the end, Chow will, too.

  167. kapakahi September 17, 2013 5:17 pm


    The unfortunate thing with Spain was…..that he never disclosed to Mack & Rolo that he had suffered an injury to his throwing shoulder…..until after he had committed and signed with UH, and was already on-campus for Fall Camp…..when he already knew that he would have to redshirt due to the injury.

    Apparently didn’t want to take a chance that UH might want to greyshirt him ’til Spring Ball.

  168. Moocher September 17, 2013 5:18 pm

    Anytime you hire a new leader it is a calculated leap of faith. You make your best choice considering the circumstances and work within a time frame for first stability, then growth, then sustainability.

    JJ, in all honesty when you look at it stability never came till 3-4. It grew afterwards, and was somewhat sustainable. If he had stayed after the sugar bowl, yes we’d most likely be a very high level sustainable program with both growth and stability.

    Mack….well, i always felt he was on a slippery slope. In my opinion i don’t think Mack ever got the program stable…although yes, he started out with a stable program. What JJ created was just not going to be sustainable with Mack.

    With Chow, first UH got him for a bargain price. Bottom line, $500,000 goes to the person with the most experience and most decorated résumé. Chow is in the area of getting the team stable. It’s going to happen, the team will become stable, growth will come, and I think the best thing with Chow that no other coach might have been able to do was direct all of it to sustainability.

    Before it’s all said and done Chow will leave UH football as a viable sustainable program. Some people are willing to take the leap of faith for the contract’s duration and other’s are not.

    Me, I’m in it all the way. And I say that in part because look at the recruits he’s getting. That is an indicator that stability, growth, and sustainability will all happen. The wins will come, more recruits will come, more dollars will come, more fans will come.

    Yeah I to miss the JJ offense, i think we all do. But it seems too many people are still in JJ withdraws. They’re grouchy, they get the shakes (if they are still a fan), they have a bleak outlook, they really do just hate or are in “pain” and cant find a positive stitch in what’s being built or being done for them. We all had an overdose on JJ’s offense. Some of us got hooked and are still addicts with no more drugJJ to be had. These are the fans that have become literally “fans on withdraw”.

    Can’t be mad at them, we all know people on drugs do and say stupid things 🙂

  169. Independent Thinker September 17, 2013 5:26 pm

    No. Enough with the excuses. Either win now or admit you are all just brainwashed delusional cult members. It’s Taylor Graham. It’s Chow refusing to change his ways or start local players.

  170. slenzi September 17, 2013 5:39 pm

    ESPN radio show today said that Nevada seems to be in a rut – play a good first quarter and then tank the next three. Hope the Warriors can get pressure early and often in the first quarter. Geev’um!!!

  171. lava September 17, 2013 5:44 pm

    I tend to agree the forum is not very welcoming of opinions critical of the program, even when based on facts.

    Chow has lost most of the games he has coached here.

    Chow football is not entertaining.

    Chow football is bringer fewer fans out.

    Normally that is the trifecta for being shown the door.

    The bandwagon here seems quick to dismiss such facts as simply coming from someone “negative” from someone who knows nothing about football.

    If critics of Chow like myself know nothing about football, how come us critics are able to predict Chow’s plays (and the results) with a pretty good degree of accuracy. Rather than dismiss this, try it yourself against the Nevada game. Report back here on Monday how many time you found “I saw that coming” versus “I didn’t see that coming.” For those of you who find that too much work, just try it on 3rd downs. Hint: we don’t make `em.

  172. observation only September 17, 2013 5:44 pm


    agree with that. dont know if your sarcastic or not. but JJ took von appen players (0-12) worst team in country and went to 9-3 . wac champs. beat oregon state in bowl.

    why the pass for chow?

  173. lava September 17, 2013 5:44 pm

    bringer … bringing …. better flame me

  174. slenzi September 17, 2013 5:47 pm

    Wow lau lau! I’ve been off the blog for a week and the crazies are still at it. HEY LISTEN UP!!! When Independent Thinker mocks you, and trolls you, and then admits that he makes up nonsense just to slap UH fans in the face and get them all riled up, LISTEN TO HIM, HE’S TELLING YOU THE TRUTH!! NOW STOP ENGAGING THAT FOOL AFTER HE TOLD YOU THAT IS WHAT HE LIVES FOR!!! IDIOTS WHO CONTINUE TO ENGAGE HIM EVEN AFTER HIS ADMISSION TO BEING A TROLL THAT MAKES STUFF UP.

  175. observation only September 17, 2013 5:49 pm

    why cant people comment and have an opinion? to come on this websight, do you have to be in favor of UH and or Chow?

    i love UH. but chow hasent done anything yet.

  176. WarriorMojo September 17, 2013 5:53 pm

    IT, you claim that you are a litigator, but I bet you’ve never tried a case to a jury in your life. Or, if you did, you lost badly.

    It is YOUR job — using logic, analysis, exposition, humor, sarcasm, WHATEVER — to explain your position and CONVINCE your audience that your position is reasonable. If you cannot do that, then either think of another way to communicate your position OR reassess whether your position is in fact reasonable. THAT is advocacy.

    Blaming your audience and calling them names because they don’t buy into your story is pathetic. Look in the mirror for your own inadequacies instead.

  177. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 5:55 pm

    The APR took a bit of a plunge during the JJ years, saw noticeable improvement in the Mack years, and even more so with Chow. A tricky balance, or so it seems.

  178. WarriorMojo September 17, 2013 6:06 pm

    re #171

    I don’t agree with you at all. Let me assure you that saying the play calling is predictable isn’t a great example of football insight. I mean, that’s pretty damn obvious isn’t it? I don’t get why some of you “critics” think you are so brilliant because you state and re-state obvious things over and over and over.

    But, you are right in the sense that most people on this board don’t start with “The play calling is obvious” and then immediately jump to “Chow Sucks”. Really, screaming “Chow Sucks” over and over helps NOTHING, especially the team that you supposedly support.

    If you’re just venting, then whatever, but just know that your venting is more self-indulgent than insightful.

  179. Independent Thinker September 17, 2013 6:17 pm

    Mojo. You are truly a funny guy. Thanks for making me laugh.

  180. WarriorMojo September 17, 2013 6:25 pm

    You’re welcome. Now go practice being less boring.

  181. observation only September 17, 2013 6:25 pm

    chow sucks.

  182. slenzi September 17, 2013 6:25 pm

    WarriorMojo you are truly an observant guy. Thanks for making me cry.

  183. iwonderwhytheyhateme September 17, 2013 6:26 pm

    Well, the UH Football Locker rooms are READY!

    For those who have Joe Onosai as a friend on Facebook, he posted a bunch of pictures.

    Lemme tell you, its really nice!

  184. slenzi September 17, 2013 6:27 pm

    A-House, Mahalo for all the nice rock gardens you started during the Brennan years!

  185. Derek September 17, 2013 6:33 pm

    People just need to calm down and be patient. It’s only 2 games into the season. Let’s see what happens as the conference season gets started. Let’s just say, I’m hopeful going foward. In the meantime we keep rooting for Mariota and Victorino.

    My Niners got humbled by Seattle, but credit the Seahawks. That’s a hard place to play at Century Link.

  186. couchqb September 17, 2013 7:02 pm

    just a few minor corrections…

    #60- Pedroza did not leave Utah voluntarily…he was dismissed from the team for violating team rules (under age drinking)…so much for moral ethics and discipline.

    #158- Chow did not recruit Woolsey…Mack did…but will no doubt contribute to Hawaii’s offense.


  187. jeezy33 September 17, 2013 7:03 pm

    Lets play Colorado! 3rd crack at Pac 12 win

  188. The Pillar September 17, 2013 7:13 pm

    OMG…the bozo patrol is on the internet led by #1 bozo “wearing depends made a stinker.”

    And what a stinker he is making. Crybaby much?

  189. gobows September 17, 2013 7:16 pm

    yes, take the money!

  190. kapakahi September 17, 2013 7:34 pm

    What about medical redshirt for senior DE #99 Iuta Tepa (for 2010 season at UCLA when he suffered season-ending shoulder injury in 3rd game)?

  191. kapakahi September 17, 2013 7:36 pm

    Re: Tepa


  192. madeinhawaii September 17, 2013 7:52 pm

    Joe Onosai’s pictures of the Warrior locker room


  193. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 17, 2013 7:53 pm

    Lava: I agree. normally that trifecta is shown the door. rarely is that trifecta shown the door a season and two games into a coaching tenure. this isn’t nebraska, texas, or alabama. that’s what people don’t seem to be understanding. it used to be a coach got five years, now they usually get about three. apparently people here think hawaii is such a great program to coach for and a $500k salary is so lucrative that we should boot a coach out before he even has a chance for all his recruits to make an impact with the program. becuase there must be a whole bunch of high caliber head coaches lining up outside the ADs door just waiting to take this position.

    you can talk about how it seems like the process isn’t working, or repetitive play calling, and that’s fine. because it sure as hell seems like to me that the program is stuck in neutral right now, but i’m willing to let the season play out and see what progress is made. calls to revamp the offense into some kind of blur/read option hybrid are kind of silly. sure it would be useful to incorporate some of those concepts in the overall offensive philosophy that chow has, but you can’t install a brand new offense during the middle of the season. you go with what you practice and are (supposed to be) good at and see how the process plays out from there.

    If nothing is still working by the mid to end of the season, then yes, third season is “win or bust,” but it’s way too early to be jumping ship. and just repeating “fire chow! fire chow! fire chow! It’s all Taylor Graham’s Fault! bench the starter and put in the 4th string quarterback, because I think he can run a read-option attack (wtf??)” is boring and actually annoying. Well, i take that back. the last one would actually be kind of interesting to read. the rest, probably not.

  194. gobows September 17, 2013 7:54 pm

    166 mih

    chow is bringing recruits.

  195. kapakahi September 17, 2013 8:00 pm

    Good to know that Pu’u-Robinson will be back in 2014…..since losing Clark….with Harold Moleni also returning. If coaches decide to keep him at TE, Meffy Koloamatangi has all the physical tools but is just beginning to learn to play the TE position.

    Class of 2014 verbal commit TE/H-Back Dakota Torres (Punahou) has potential, but hopefully UH also taking a good look at Class of 2015 TE prospects Tuli Wily-Matagi (Kahuku)….who is playing QB out of necessity this season…..and Spencer Johnson (Saint Louis).

  196. kapakahi September 17, 2013 8:06 pm


    Oops…..forgot that redshirt JC transfer TE Josh Long should be ready for 2014 season too.

  197. eMpTy September 17, 2013 8:32 pm

    All this negative talk. What happened to the adage of “One snap and clear”? I usually just lurk here, but it’s getting hard to read all of the negative comments and the snipping going on.

  198. Pukalani boy September 17, 2013 8:46 pm

    Good to have Jordan back playing.

  199. NotNasti September 17, 2013 8:56 pm

    171: Regarding predictable play calling. The Warriors under JJ only ran 3 plays: Pass, run and shovel. JJ always said that he didn’t care about spies watching his practice because they all knew what he was going to run anyway. It was just about executing better than the defense. Chow’s offense, any offense is similar. If the offense “executes” better than the defense, they will have success. Hawaii, by everyone’s account, is simply not executing well. Notre Dame wasn’t fooled by Alabama, they just couldn’t stop them. Being able to predict the play doesn’t mean anything.

  200. Inyoface September 17, 2013 8:57 pm

    I don’t see any spam anymore. Crazy!

  201. Inyoface September 17, 2013 9:03 pm

    I don’t think the offense is predictable at all, no one knows what they’re going do next. It’s just a matter of executing those plays.

  202. Inyoface September 17, 2013 9:20 pm

    Nevada has quietly became somewhat of a rival in the past few years. Hawaii is in town and that’s usually a big time game in any college town. We need to play them as a rival and bring it to them. It seems on paper that our depth is deeper than Nevada’s this year.

  203. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 17, 2013 9:24 pm

    I kind of suspect the people complaining about the predictability of the plays probably couldn’t diagram them out and explain how they should or shouldn’t work depending on the various defensive coverages that the other team are throwing at them and what more viable options are to attack say, a 4-2-5 zone blitz or whatever. What we see on the tv screen and even on the stadium isn’t necessarily what the coaches look at (i.e. following the ball) when they call plays and look for effective ways to attack the defense/offense using the personnel they have and how well they’re executing the plays.

  204. kev-1 September 17, 2013 9:34 pm

    Bring on the Buff’s . . . well, actually we’ll bring it up there. I’m all for it.

  205. Kilikili September 17, 2013 9:34 pm

    #193 and #199… both well said. I feel too, N.C. is doing a good job at building a strong foundation to grow on. Also i will add, Chow has faired much better than coaches J.J. or Mack. recruiting locally… thus far. If Chow fails i wouldn’t want J.J. back. Hawaii’s next head coach needs to be younger…

  206. Rodney September 17, 2013 9:52 pm

    Support local!!! Support Chow!!!

    Pound the rock,play action

    Y stick

    Stick it to the wfpack

    Imua warriors!!!

  207. Dino September 17, 2013 9:59 pm

    how about georgia tech’s paul johnson’s diciple @ Navy, kenny niumatalolo, for hawaii head coach someday? i can see that happening. some great years we had under bob wagner with johnson as the O.C.

  208. kev-1 September 17, 2013 10:03 pm

    As much as I respect Niumatalolo for what he has accomplished, I would NOT want to see that offense in Hawaii. Just my opinion. Not that I’m too happy about our offense right now. I am referring to the system.

  209. Moocher September 17, 2013 10:04 pm

    Chow is simply building. Yes, and we are going through pains. Chow took his option to strip it down completely and rebuild piece by piece. Some pieces fit from the start, others need to be molded trial and error, and well….some are yeah discarded.

    It’s not that Chow sucks but I can see why people say that 🙂

    For me, it’s more that growing pains sucks. We all knew he stripped it all down, so we all know it’ll take time for the foundation to set. The thing that’ll make it easier is when the football players see that the people are 100% behind their coach. That’ll keep them buying in.

    When the boys see a divide, it’ll carry to them and they will and can have a tendency to doubt their coach and will not buy-in and create dissent unravelling the team.

    Even if I hated Chow, the bigger picture is how we fans can help solidify the team and go forward quicker, or help create a divide taking the team longer if ever to be cohesive.

    Holding Chow to the fire i will say as you tinker with things and build things, please always remember the seniors who just want to go out feeling like winners and with great memories in their last year.

    The good news, it all really starts this week so let’s see what happens 🙂

  210. kev-1 September 17, 2013 10:15 pm

    I may not be happy with the win total right now, but I am happy with the direction I think we are headed. I know others disagree, though. I’m still with Chow.

  211. Derek September 17, 2013 10:32 pm

    And don’t forget, Fangupo coming in next year, along w/ returned missionaries John Ursua and Gus Lauvaka, plus the 3 transfers who are sitting out the year, Pedroza, Castro, and Rasmussen. Plus, the already verbal commits for next year and that’s a very good start.

  212. Konoman1 September 17, 2013 11:22 pm

    Poly Mom… That was a great post.. his critics can say whatever they want but you know what a good coach Chow is and he is even a better person,

  213. crusaderlover September 17, 2013 11:56 pm

    although i disagree at some of his decisions, chow is seems to be good fit and will rebuild. note, i did not have that opinion last year but see his direction. i will say, he wants HIS recruits to play. but as a coach or a new manager, that is his choice and we have to live with it. (sometimes hard to swallow) But, i have to put my biases aside for UH and look at the big picture and take and honest step back, as hard as it is, i undrstand it. at times i dont agree with his player personnel decisions, but i have to think of the bigger, long term picture. and we all should try to understand his position.

    UH comes first, and i respect that.

  214. Maddog50 September 18, 2013 4:00 am

    I can predict an offensive play at 50/50…its a run or a pass!!!! This team will begin to gel this week. They need to show up and play…I have been to two mainland games under Chow and can tell a difference in the effort start to finish. The experince and execution need to progress in a timely fashion. Regarding the MW correspondent who refers to Hawaii as a lesser opponent fails to realize what we have put on the field against some pretty good opponents. Just a few plays each game, lets say six each game could have made a huge difference. Lotsa freshman touching the ball makes it an uphill battle…..this week things change…..Go Warriors!!!!

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