Mat drills

They’re called “mat drills,” even though the Warriors perform them on the Ching field at 6 in the morning.

They involve running, running fast, rolling, and moves in every direction. There also is a wrestling drill — mat work? — as well as a tug-of-war competition. After an hour or so, when yelling “Uncle” is not allowed, the Warriors head to the weight room.

Fullback Justin Vele:

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Quarterback Max Wittek:

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Running back D.J. Riggins:

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Defensive end Sione Kauhi:

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Slotback Dylan Collie:

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O-linemen Matt “Moose” Norman, Elijah “Wolfpack” Tupai and Dejon Allen:

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Linebacker Dayton Furuta:

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Nose tackle Kennedy Tulimasealii:

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Linebackers coach Kurt Gouveia:

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  1. A-House February 11, 2015 9:59 am

    my, my ST:

    you were out early this am!

  2. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:02 am

    I think there’s no doubt Kennedy Tulimasealii and Penitito Faalologo are nose tackles.

  3. A-House February 11, 2015 10:02 am

    The Shark was an intriguing person to watch – especially when he reached under his seat, pull out a towel, and start gnawing on it

    how many towels did he go through?

  4. A-House February 11, 2015 10:03 am


    They look impressive at NT – lean and mean!!

  5. gigi-hawaii February 11, 2015 10:05 am

    I used to enjoy tug of war.
    Now, we are too old for that.
    Nice photos, ST.

  6. graham February 11, 2015 10:09 am

    2 pretty good DTs. Kennedy is a stud.
    Any projection of starters on offense and defense? or too early to tell

  7. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:13 am

    It’s a little early for that.
    It looks like Luke Shawley put on some good weight.
    I think they expect big things from cornerback Jamal Mayo this spring.

  8. tom February 11, 2015 10:14 am


    ST – any word as to when the OC/DC will be announced?

  9. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:14 am

    Dylan Collie reminds me of one of those Patriot-type slotbacks. He’s always first in the speed drills; he never smiles.

  10. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:15 am

    Those two will be the guys. It’s in the paper work/background check stage. There shouldn’t be any problems.

  11. letsgowarriors February 11, 2015 10:16 am

    Kauhi got some long a** arms. i hope they give him a look at LT.

  12. jm2375 February 11, 2015 10:16 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    RIP Tark.
    Saw this on yahoo. Was UH involved in this or was this some other team?

    There was the time he planned on stashing a recruit at a cabin in Lake Arrowhead (Calif.) until signing day, only to have someone else stash him first on Waikiki Beach.


  13. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:18 am

    Tark was fun.
    A true (Runnin’) Rebel.
    Hey, Superman is nothing without Lex Luthor.
    Sports needs a Coach K as much as a Tark.

  14. Tempmanoa February 11, 2015 10:21 am

    Assuming Mason runs a 3-4 (he ran the 3-4 at SMU), then Tuimasealii should be a defensive end or an edge rush OLB and not a nose tackle. He could be a tackle in a 4-3. But with a guy like him, we have seen coaches line him up at different spots to throw the D off– he could play nose tackle to penetrate the center guard gaps, and he could be moved around to rush or play contain.

  15. letsgowarriors February 11, 2015 10:23 am

    depends. if Mason runs a 1 gap, attacking 3-4. Kennedy might be someone who lines up at all 3 DL positions. w his quickness, he should be able to beat most OL off the snap. he does have to play w better gap control though.

  16. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:26 am

    Travis Campbell, a former UH football player, lives in Riverside. He just ran into the volleyball team at a sandwich shop.

  17. hatakeman February 11, 2015 10:31 am

    ST, nice pixs. Max Wittek looks like a linebacker; Tupai has tree-stump legs; Moose looks real tall. Just how tall is he anyway?

  18. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:31 am

    I’m often asked what type of offense UH runs.
    Answer: All of ’em.
    That’s true for most teams. UH’s most-used offense is a 1-1 set (one back, one tight end), but there also are different formations off that personnel group.
    On defense, Kaumeyer’s “base” was a 4-3, but the Warriors were mostly in a nickel formation. Clune ran a 3-4, but he often used an OLB as a fourth d-lineman.
    UH probably will run everything.

  19. gigi-hawaii February 11, 2015 10:32 am

    So, I read that the football team is the only UH team making money.
    Wahine volleyball is breaking even.
    But, what about Men’s basketball?

  20. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:33 am

    He looks like he’s at least 6-6.
    Kauhi also looks like he’s about 6-5/6-6.
    Russell Williams is fairly fast, too.
    And, of course, Julian Gener, who is being held out of drills until spring ball, is as feisty as ever.

  21. Graham February 11, 2015 10:33 am

    Shawley could have a big season. I think we have some talent on both sides of the ball. I am very excited about riggins, collie, and Wittek. Is riggins someone who could play this year?

  22. jeezy33 February 11, 2015 10:34 am

    Kauhi looks 2 years away physically. Needs to hit weights hard

  23. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 10:39 am

    Men’s volleyball actually makes money for the school.
    There is the financial equivalent of 4.5 scholarships for 21 players. That means UH players pay the equivalent of 15.5 scholarships. Counting only tuition, that’s $11,000 for residents and $16.500 for WUE students.

  24. jm2375 February 11, 2015 10:44 am

    If an athlete gets a partial athletic scholarship, can they get other financial aid?

  25. Buffoman February 11, 2015 10:46 am

    I’d like to hope that with more “positive bulk” without sacrificing quickness, KT could become the Polynesian version of a J.J. Watt type of defensive lineman. He is very quick and naturally strong. Should be fun to watch him continue to develop and improve. He has tremendous upside. Just needs to work at constantly getting better.

  26. amela February 11, 2015 10:52 am

    Collie = Edleman

  27. letsgowarriors February 11, 2015 10:52 am

    except JJ Watt is 6’5 and Kennedy is probably 5’11

  28. letsgowarriors February 11, 2015 10:58 am

    when we first got Kennedy, i was hoping he would be our version of Will Sutton. hopefully Mason can make that happen.

  29. kev-1 February 11, 2015 11:02 am

    Kennedy a nose tackle? Really? Not really what I envision as a NT. Why would you take him away from the edge? He shines when he gets around the edge into the backfield. Why would you take that away from him?

  30. letsgowarriors February 11, 2015 11:05 am

    i dont mind Kennedy at every position on the DL. as long as his job is to make plays and not occupy blocks.

  31. Da Punchbowl Kid February 11, 2015 11:14 am

    Awesome pics, Stephen! Thanks! Your earlier comments about the Tues. – Thurs. afternoon air show with Wittek and the other QBs has me intrigued. Some tough lookin’ men in these pics!

    “Hey, Superman is nothing without Lex Luthor.
    Sports needs a Coach K as much as a Tark.”

    Dang Tsai! Whew! All inspired, if ya know what I mean! 😉

  32. al February 11, 2015 11:22 am

    The warrior that KT reminds me most of is Niko Noga. Albeit a bit heftier.

  33. al February 11, 2015 11:24 am

    22…that mirrored my first observation as well.

  34. al February 11, 2015 11:27 am

    Wittek’s is built like a tight end, left tackle, de or a thicker roethlisberger.

  35. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 11:31 am

    Wittek is a vocal leader, too. None of the QBs is shy.

  36. Warbow February 11, 2015 11:39 am

    TS..#10…Are they signed yet? Be careful about the OC. Boise St’s OC just left for Notre Dame and they are currently “looking” for a new one.

  37. Naks8 February 11, 2015 11:41 am

    We should see the benefits of the full time strength coach either this year or next. Get the boys physically ready to compete

  38. hitman February 11, 2015 11:46 am

    aloha and morning everyone !! how Wittek’s speed is he able to move around in the pocket ? last year UH gave up a lot sacks

  39. boolakanaka February 11, 2015 11:47 am

    JM, I think the answer is yes. My niece is on a partial ride somewhere else, and can get other scholarships.

  40. Shoko February 11, 2015 11:47 am

    Wittek does look like the prototypical NFL quarterback. I imagine Chow is really high on him and sees him as a player that can “command the huddle” in his offense.

    Wish I could fast forward to the start of the season and get this show (or no-show) on the road.

  41. jeezy33 February 11, 2015 11:54 am

    LOL at JJ Watt comment.

    Kennedy needs to put more time in the weight room IMO. He is naturally gifted with god given talent. But going into his junior year, he should have more muscle mass by now. I get it, speed and quickness is his thing. But adding strength will allow him to dominate and take over games in the MWC. He’s got 6 months to hit the weights hard.

  42. st. anthony trojan February 11, 2015 11:54 am

    SHOKO… yesterdays post….Me disagree slightly with you….letting Mr. BJ go early before the University makes it case….for me could be seen as a self imposed penalty…”see we got rid of the coaches….and our AD”….HE HE HE

  43. kev-1 February 11, 2015 12:15 pm

    #41 … I agree. Not saying he is “small,” nor do I question his physical strength, but I was also expecting more physical development.

  44. kev-1 February 11, 2015 12:16 pm

    Which is also why I don’t see him as a NT.

  45. jeezy33 February 11, 2015 12:17 pm

    43. Exactly how I feel. I know he’s strong and talented, but I also know what Moses Samia did with less god given talent.

  46. Shoko February 11, 2015 12:20 pm

    We can blame BJ for lack of generating revenue, not creating a strong relationship with the business community or creating unnecessary friction with the fan base, but as far as handing the NCAA investigation he did what any competent athletic director would do.

    Besides, it wouldn’t look good for the university or BJ to leave now as it would give the impression that the issues originate at the top. As it is right now, the athletic department needs direction and BJ is the only person can coordinate efforts in lessening the impact of the violations.

  47. oneseason February 11, 2015 12:41 pm

    #46 … Has the issue with Arnold’s Termination without Cause penalty been resolved? If UH has to pony up any significant penalty or settlement, I would not give BJ much credit … a la “even a broken clock … “

  48. C-Pop February 11, 2015 12:48 pm

    Kennedy Tulimasealii at 6’0 275 reminds me of former University of Pittsburgh All American now with NFL Rams, Donald, quick, playmaker always around ball.

  49. Shoko February 11, 2015 12:54 pm

    I’m not sure where exactly the blame lies in regards to the language of the contract. Could be BJ or legal or all parties involved with approving and signing the contract. I think there might be enough blame to go around pertaining to that particular misstep.

    Anyway, don’t get me wrong. I still think the athletic department is in need of better leadership. I just don’t think it would benefit the UH for BJ to leave while the NCAA is still in the backyard.

  50. jeezy33 February 11, 2015 12:59 pm

    48. Not really close… at all… Just because a player has similar size to a NFL guy, doesn’t mean there are really any similarities. Not every 5-10 QB compares to Doug Flutie or Russell Wilson. Same goes for Linemen.

    Donald is explosive with extremely violent hands. Ran a 40 in the 4.6 range and takes over games with his physical strength and quickness. KT doesn’t produce near the pass rush.

    KT is talented… but has a long ways to go before we can even throw in NFL consideration.

  51. st. anthony trojan February 11, 2015 1:01 pm


    “We can blame BJ for lack of generating revenue, not creating a strong relationship with the business community or creating unnecessary friction with the fan base”

    Really….his chair up there in his office is where the buck stops…is his responsibility for all you say…

  52. Kalani February 11, 2015 1:09 pm

    So do we blame Beemer for an inadequate weight training and nutrition regimen? Or Chow for the conditioning drills? Or the player for not putting in the proper effort?

  53. Souljah February 11, 2015 1:18 pm

    If the UH coaches haven’t already they need to take a serious look at 2016 tackle Nilsson Gaisoa out of Kailua and offer at least a gray shirt cause he’s still raw. But at 6’5″ 270lbs ran a 5.15 40yd, 4.68sec shulttle, & 35.5′ PB, he’s definitely under the radar.

    @2:16 & 2:24

    47 out of 842 (a bad vert is why the score is low)

  54. Boolakanaka February 11, 2015 1:32 pm

    Al–you mean KT reminds you of Niko from a play/performance perspective right? Because physique wise Niko, was sculptured from muscle, then sprinkled with more ripped muscle, and then finshed with big thick muscle. He reminds of a bulkier version of many of the guys in the crossfit challenge–except at about 235-240. Body type wise they have very dissimilar bodies….

  55. Shoko February 11, 2015 1:33 pm

    Good lord, I think some folks have such a hard-on for BJ (no pun) that its affecting your ability to remain objective and see the benefit of having an athletic director in place while dealing with the NCAA violations and it’s ramifications.

    Anyway, agree to disagree. 🙂

  56. 808WarriorFan February 11, 2015 1:33 pm

    #40 “SHOKO” … I’m really worried how many healthy bodies we’ll have after the 4th game of the season … I give us a 50/50 chance vs Colorado, we better beat UC Davis, and God forbid the punishment we’ll get at Ohio State and Wisconsin

  57. ai-eee-soos February 11, 2015 1:36 pm

    this guy keeps “job-hopping” … anyone heard of this guy before ?

    Simon Fraser University (Canada): News1130 in Vancouver reports Hamilton Tiger Cats linebackers coach / special teams coordinator Jeff Reinebold is a leading candidate for the Simon Fraser head coaching job.

  58. True fan February 11, 2015 1:40 pm

    OK so enough of slamming the AD and coaches with so many negatives. No wonder our players go away. Let’s put some of the real blame on our supposedly fans. Here’s my take on why our football program sucks. Too many of our Hawaii fans are nothing but fair weather fans especially the money guys who can make it really work. I bought season tickets when they weren’t called that at the old termite palace and sat on the 50 yard line. We sat in orange section on 40 yard line at Aloha until a whole bunch of us really true fans were gradually pushed out to the 20 yard line. We didn’t like it but accepted it and didn’t mind as the money guys were really helping the program then. So where are these money guys now? How many of these fair weather fans who pushed us out have renewed their prime seats? ST can you gather any statistics on this? Let’s face it, money talks and unless these money guys support the program we’ll eventually be a memory. I wonder how many politicians, late comers, etc. who got a free ride to the Sugar bowl (who felt guilty and later paid it back) are backing the program now? I’m too old to go now but I still support and subscribe to watch on TV. Not a rich guy but my two cents for what it’s worth. Gee, but wouldn’t it be nice if we had a bunch of really proud Hawaii footballers who stayed home and made us a competitive power house. Instead we are guilty of pushing our guys to go away. Our fault eh. Hey, but kudos to guys like Beau and Kennedy etal they are the true UHers at heart. I guess a nucleus of home grown talent is just an illusion.

  59. Marleysdad February 11, 2015 1:44 pm

    If in fact Kennedy is used as a NT, hope his quickness off the ball can get him similar production as the G.O.A.T Niko. Otherwise I think it’s a total waste to line him up across center. Also, his body doesn’t look as big as I woul thought after 2 years in the system. I do know he is what we call “country strong” & that’s good too.

  60. Marleysdad February 11, 2015 1:45 pm

    Sorry, I’d say Al would be tied with Niko as the GOATs in UH history.

  61. C-Pop February 11, 2015 1:45 pm

    50-thanks for input

  62. ai-eee-soos February 11, 2015 1:50 pm

    movin’ on up ….

    The Seattle Seahawks have announced defensive pass game coordinator Rocky Seto

    has been promoted to assistant head coach / defense.

  63. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 2:00 pm

    Kennedy is 290

  64. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 2:01 pm

    Penitito is 295

  65. tom February 11, 2015 2:03 pm

    I have to agree with SHOKO.

    Ben Jay is in an impossible situation He is NOT a chief. There are too many I-am-a-better-AD-and-can-call-the-shoots.

    Jim Donovan had all those types looking over his shoulder too and not letting him to the job.

    It hasn’t changed much.

  66. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 2:05 pm

    Like I said, come on down and watch.

  67. C-Pop February 11, 2015 2:15 pm

    50 – thanks appreciate your answer

  68. bowwar February 11, 2015 2:31 pm

    Unfortunately, I think it is in BJ’s and UH’s best interests that he steers through the NCAA investigation and its conclusion, as the outcome could cloud his future prospects as well as the school. I can only hope that BJ can navigate a resolution in the school’s best interests and mitigate the damage. If he is able to accomplish that feat, then BJ will have a reasonable legacy to reflect upon. We have to remember that Gib and Akana created the problem…

  69. st. anthony trojan February 11, 2015 2:47 pm

    Kalani you are 100% correct…if the weight coach is not up to sumones par…out he goes…if the player is not up to par…he gets replaced…if the nutritionist is not up to par …out he goes…it happens every day in all walks of life…get fired..or laid off..or n for very many reasons…if the players are not up to par… they sit…or not up to par in classroom..they bare not allowed 2 play….see in life…sumone has to make the decision…n he/she gets paid to do so…

    TOM,…YOU ARE CORRECT 100% ALSO…has not changes much….so what to do… leave him there…n continue to spout ‘negativism’ day in n day out…????

    Yes Mr. Donovan WORKED UNDER THOSE SAME CONDITIONS…. more or worst…but try to remember…. Mr. Yoshida worked up there also…don’t ever remember he ever ‘spouting’ off how bad it is up there.. n maybe shut down football…and what about Mr. Sheriff…you all remember him…were the conditions there the same…n when Mr. Yee quit…. n when Mr. Price quit…. same conditions….

    Like Mr. Wagner said…. about Mr. Chow…’stop making excuses’…so for BJ…STOP MAKING EXCUSES…

    I sure don’t know it all… but would put my limited skills in marketing up against BJ… n ask again….what major marketing skills or practice did he use to get attendance to fill the Aloha stadium…the Sheriff…or Murakami…for ne event… men or women…

    SHOKO….2 old to have a hard on…(no-pun intended) about BJ…or his lack of skills in being a ‘people’ person…he he he

  70. islandman February 11, 2015 3:05 pm

    49. Shoko– If you are talking about the Gib contract, it was Jim Donovan, not Ben, who gave that three year contract to Gib in 2011, with that contract language for Termination Without Cause.
    Also, gave him a raise to $344,000 from his initial $240,000, after only one year on the job, or a 43.3 % increase. $50,000 of that raise was to be paid by boosters.

  71. Kalani February 11, 2015 3:21 pm

    69 – I wasn’t saying anything is wrong with the strength and conditioning program. But people here and on other boards are complaining a lot, making comments about how certain players look out of shape, haven’t put on the muscle, etc. Also there have been a lot of claims that injuries are due to inadequate physical training. I’m just wondering if people more familiar with the program have a culprit. Is it just a case of student athletes being more like regular college students rather than pro athletes? On the other hand, at least I haven’t heard any steroid allegations like in the past.

  72. st. anthony trojan February 11, 2015 3:30 pm

    Is cool Kalani… he is excellent from what me read on here n other places….
    We are lucky to have him…

  73. kev-1 February 11, 2015 3:34 pm

    I just wanted to clarify that I don’t think KT looks out of shape. I also think that the S & C coach has done a commendable job as a whole.

  74. Tanman February 11, 2015 3:53 pm

    Thanks for the pictures!!!
    Let’s go Warriors! Let’s go Bows!!

  75. seewhy February 11, 2015 4:27 pm

    Great to see Dayton out there.

  76. Derek February 11, 2015 4:28 pm

    If Kennedy plays like Levi Stanley, then I would be very happy. Or even Maa Tanuvasa or Michel Lafaele. He obviously has the talent. It’s a matter of his desire to learn the techniques, using those techniques, and his personal desire to be great.

    No better example then Rich Miano. He wasn’t recruited, a walk-on, but he made himself in an WAC 1st team defensive back and played over 10 years in the NFL. He will credit his coaches too, but when you come down to it, it’s his heart and want to to be the best he could be, and learn the position and the game. I give him a lot of credit for everything he has accomplished.

  77. kahuna February 11, 2015 4:29 pm

    I thought Dylan Collie just came off a mission?? How is that he was across the line faster than some of those who looked to be in better shape then him? I guess being mature counts for a lot. Maybe someone like him COULD be productive in his first year here.

  78. BigFan February 11, 2015 5:18 pm

    #69, SAT, sometimes when you get passionate, you get away from your pidgin talking self (not considering your punctuation), lol.
    KT might be a little on the light side for NT but not much. It just that he never looks like his advertised weight. Just mean and lean I guess.
    All this football stuff getting me excited even though it seemed a little dismal just a short while ago. I think we might be better than we might initially expect. The QB play will be key. It looks like Wittek might be able to stand up to some hits.

  79. markazulu February 11, 2015 5:19 pm

    I know everyone expects Wittek to be the QB but how has riley and woolsey been looking?

  80. st. anthony trojan February 11, 2015 5:24 pm

    On a more somber note…sad to hear of Tark passing….he showed us all really…just how the NCAA operates n how vindictive they can become…as in their latest reversal of Penn State case…

    Guess we have become ‘spoiled’ on how ones body should look like to be classified as strong…n I guess comparing to Niko Noga n brothers…be nice to have DEFENSIVE LINE LOOKING LIKE THAT… N PLAY LIKE THEY DID ALSO…

  81. jeezy33 February 11, 2015 5:30 pm

    71. Complaining? more like a Observation.

  82. st. anthony trojan February 11, 2015 5:33 pm

    he he he… BIG FAN… Me not passionate yet… when me say …throw BJ UNDER THE BUS… N then back up also… then me is passionate…he he just a joke… hope his ‘agent’ n tom not get to upset…he he he

    But if they read me…b-4…I felt sorry for him from the very start…n said so in my post…that,,,he was n has no really authority to really to do much…n he had not to much 2 work with…is the truth…but we all know he has a ‘podogee’ mouth…n it seems like his shoe size fits inn it perfectly…n he sure does that…with vigor…leading to him landing on his okole….sad…

    N don’t critize my punctuation… me went Punahou…HE HE HE…

  83. hitman February 11, 2015 5:44 pm

    would be nice to watch them pratice !! but on big island !! ,BT uh basketball coach was only offer 190,00 for one more season !! that bj offer to him !! and at that point the offer was make BT had best record of all coaches pass and present !! BJ should make a better offer !! more in the 250,000 range !! know by post for a basketball coach UH and the fans are going to pay the price !! might lose the coach ,some of the play er !! and if a new coach comes in got start all over !! good job BJ of know how to run UH sports programs into the ground !! all by not know when to clean house and when to keep coaches !! 1st was with the football team and know basketball team !!

  84. hitman February 11, 2015 5:55 pm

    BJ you was leaving for family reasons you work under the state of hawaii there is laws where you get family leave !! so you dont need to wait till june!! but also a state doctor need to check you out to see if you able to to do your job till your plan date to leave your job for saftey reasons

  85. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 6:30 pm

    Players are in fine shape.
    Beemer is doing a good job.
    It’s silly (and inaccurate) to make generalized assessments based on a few pictures, and then sillier to further those assessments.
    By the way, I know nobody was there today.

  86. Derek February 11, 2015 6:38 pm

    I think it would be hard to compare Collie with Edelman, but that maybe they play the same position and that they are about the same size. Other than that, there is no comparison to me at this point. Edelman is also a very effective kick returner and if need be, he can throw a pass as he showed in the playoffs as he was a college QB at Kent State. Maybe Collie will be very good in time, and I hope he will be a star here. Good luck to him!

  87. hitman February 11, 2015 6:43 pm

    ST does all the qb come out at 6am morning ?

  88. Gsky February 11, 2015 6:46 pm

    85 amen to dat

  89. beans February 11, 2015 7:00 pm

    Tark chewing on a towel,………. his wife saying the rosary in the stands while the game was being played……………… a glance a strange couple! I wonder what it was like to have dinner with them?
    With that said, he compiled a great record at UNLV.

  90. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 7:10 pm

    All QBs were present.

  91. Stephen Tsai February 11, 2015 7:11 pm

    Anyway, I just want to remind people these are kids — OK, the mission guys are older kids — and it’s not really cool to dog on people during offseason conditioning program. I mean, really?
    Just sayin’.

  92. hitman February 11, 2015 7:30 pm

    ty ST the qb update !!
    so true this is the time know that counts where they put there time in the off season and go over with there coaches what they need to work on get bigger and stronger !! and work speed and timing

  93. Inyoface February 11, 2015 7:55 pm

    We’re here to pump, you up.

  94. A-House February 11, 2015 7:59 pm

    should we continue to bash UHADs for the contract hammered out between a coach’s Atty and UH General Counsel’s Office?

    If they agree, then it’s a formality of signing the contract by the UHAD and individual coach

    like Obamacare – yes, the President supported the principle of making changes to our old health law; Congress and/or their staff and special interest groups all had their dirty hands all over it and came up with the wording; not the President who signed the bill into law.

    let us not be “shallow” to place blame so easily on others

  95. A-House February 11, 2015 8:04 pm

    and, yes there are “defects” in the Affordable Care Act, but they can be amended by members of Congress if they really want to put USA before any party or special interest groups

    perhaps in decades to come, we {all of us} will look at the ACA and generally agree that it is a good thing and it did help millions of our fellow citizens with health issues – I’ll be long gone by then and so will most of us.

  96. d1shima February 11, 2015 8:23 pm

    Great Evening All!

    Mahalo for the off-season work, Warriors.

  97. kev-1 February 11, 2015 8:47 pm

    If there is any over-analyzing, I think it is from the people who are making a big deal about someone saying that he expected a player to bigger at this point. What’s the big deal. It is also silly to over-hype conditioning drills.

  98. JustAsking February 11, 2015 8:57 pm

    The General Counsel’s office might (I emphasize might) have made two mistakes with regard to Arnold’s contract: (1) allowing ambiguous language regarding the amount owed to Arnold upon any termination without cause to make it into the final version of the contract; and (2) not raising all kinds of red flags before the UH made the decision to exercise the without cause provision. Think about it: they swallowed the fact that they would pay him through the end of the contract. Given the poorly drafted language, there might have been other options for UH.
    With regard to the AD’s, they get paid a lot of money to be the head honcho. i would expect them to understand what they are signing, especially for such high profile contracts.

  99. Bob February 11, 2015 9:01 pm

    Tsai makes an excellent point re: men’s volleyball making money for the university in the form of tuition paid by the athletes that only have a partial scholarship or are walk-ons. In the case of MVB, using the figures ST gave, and ball parking a little, those players generate well over $200,000 annually in additional tuition dollars for the university. It is also very probable most of those players would have gone elsewhere for the opportunity to play without our program. But don’t stop with MVB, look at what that means department-wide. I don’t know the exact figures but somewhere I read there are approx. 450 student athletes at UH, and roughly 200-250 are on athletic scholarship. So let’s say 200 are walk-ons or are on just partial scholarship. Again using ST’s tuition numbers and using $13,000 as an average between resident and non-resident you might be talking about roughly $2.3 million that they contribute in tuition revenue alone. They are not taking space of other students who want to go there. The President has stated he wants to increase enrollment as a way of increasing revenue, clearly there is classroom space available currently. These are obviously just ballpark numbers ( would be nice to have actual figures) but they serve to make the point that it should be prudent to look at the total picture. It is encouraging that several studies have done just that, a recent one by the UH college of Business on the economic impact of UH athletics on the community for example. Also it seems the media is starting to point out the less visible contributions, very helpful. And these are good students, the average undergraduate GPA of the athletes is above that of the average undergraduate GPA for the university as a whole.

  100. tom February 11, 2015 9:24 pm

    JustAsking #98

    People who are not lawyers, rely on their lawyers to protect them from making mistakes.

    If I were AD and not a lawyer, I might look at the length of the contract and how much the person is going to be paid to see if the lawyers got it right. I don’t have the time nor the expertise to read all the fine print and the usual boiler plate.

  101. graham February 11, 2015 9:25 pm

    How is Jeremy tabayo doing at Texas a&m? I still am shocked he signed there, that year they signed like 8 WR.

  102. RS February 11, 2015 9:33 pm

    tabuyo played in most of the games this past season. I think he caught 2 or 3 touchdown passes. He also played in a few games as a true freshman

  103. jm2375 February 11, 2015 9:40 pm

    Congrats to the Warrior VolleyBows on their sweep of Cal Baptist. Rematch Friday.


  104. JustAsking February 11, 2015 9:42 pm

    Tom-agree with you in general. But with an employment contract, in addition to term and salary, don’t most “sophisticated” employers also want to understand when and how they can fire the employee? I am not expecting the AD to proofread every detail of every contract that he or she signs, but it is disappointing if the next AD blindly signs major contracts. If they don’t understand, ask the question! Again, we are talking about senior administrators earning big bucks making big decisions. Coaches contracts should have a high priority for any AD.
    And I emphasized that it might be the attorney’s fault. Who knows what was discussed behind closed doors? For example:
    AD: Where is Gib’s contract?
    GC: We are negotiating the termination without clause provision. His attorney is proposing language that is different from every other contract that we have.
    AD: Termination WITHOUT cause?!? Quit wasting time!!!! We need this contract!!! Who fires their coach WITHOUT cause?!?!
    Just saying…

  105. oneseason February 11, 2015 9:48 pm

    #98 … In addition to your points, I found the penalty provisions for Termination without Cause are very clearly written. They are detailed in the first paragraph of that section. IMO, any person that was paying attention when they read the contract should have seen Arnold’s penalty claim coming. In addition to the AD and the General Counsel, UH hired outside legal experts to advise them on dealing with the NCAA. It seems inconceivable that these experts would not review the Arnold contract. It also isn’t clear to me why, after all the complaints about Coach Mac’s contract being a sweetheart deal for termination, the termination provisions are contracts approved by prior AD’s weren’t gone over with a fine tooth comb.

  106. islandman February 11, 2015 9:55 pm

    99. tom — Even a lay person would read that Termination Without Clause provision and after two readings, would say to himself, something is not right. The contract has only 18 provisions.

    When you are AD , it is your responsibility to sign something you understand, or get an explanation from the UH attorney.

  107. islandman February 11, 2015 10:07 pm

    104. oneseason –Mack’s was a standard termination type of payment, for the remaining year on his contract. And he agreed to take “only” half of that.

    Gib’s termination without cause provision is nutty, if that’s what UH meant to agree to – We will pay you for all the earnings you had from the beginning of your contract, again; because we are terminating you. No other college nor UH coach has that type of provision.

  108. islandman February 11, 2015 10:09 pm

    106. s/b “termination without cause”

  109. pollypicador February 11, 2015 10:11 pm


    Shoot for par, make a birdie instead.

    Have sights on catching a papio, catch an ulua instead.

    Ask plain Jane for a dance, but the prom queen steps in.

    Take your young son to a Warrior football practice, but the light bulb goes off in his head- as he watches the students walking to their classes, takes in the surrounding campus and begins to see his future.

    This year’s Warriors need to find serendipity, like the 2007 team…that team aimed for first in the WAC and found sugar instead. In other words-serendipity – good luck in making unexpected and fortunate discoveries.

    This year’s Warriors need a big dose. Some may say are due for some (it’s been a drought…rain is good).

    It doesn’t happen very often, but when it does it sure feels good.

    Nothing but good praise for the Warriors working their butts off in off season workouts. Find the your golden duck.

  110. oneseason February 11, 2015 10:25 pm

    107. islandman … Yes, I was misremembering the complaints. I should have said complaints over the contract value (which personally, I never had a problem with). I also thought it was very classy Coach Mack was willing to give 50% of the termination amount back.

    I don’t know what is typical or not in coaching contracts, but Arnold’s seem to make it impossible to affordably jettison the coach before the end of his contract without cause.

  111. st. anthony trojan February 11, 2015 10:38 pm

    ne one up there yet.. n know the basketball scores from the women’s tournament ?

  112. Ralph February 11, 2015 11:13 pm

    #111 It will be Kona vs Roosevelt in one semi, Lahainaluna and Maryknoll in the other bracket.

  113. st. anthony trojan February 11, 2015 11:35 pm

    RALPH… THANKS FOR THEM SCORES…they have a live thingy on here 4 football playoffs… but treat the women’s sports…as second class…no coverage…

  114. boolakanaka February 12, 2015 6:21 am

    We are not the only one losing coaches–see:

    This will be a bit of a ding for Boise in the short term.

  115. Tempmanoa February 12, 2015 6:23 am

    Up to the halfway term of the contract, UH comes out on top with the termination clause in the contract vs. the usual payment of the balance of the contract. As you near the end of the contract, Gib has protected himself against any termination without clause because of the growing liquidated damages to terminate without cause. So the longer Gib stays, the more he builds up job security as long as he gives the UH no cause to fire him. With the NCAA findings, UH had cause to fire him and should have waited to terminate for cause and eliminated the liquidated damages– it was a costly and very stupid mistake not to wait until the NCAA findings to terminate Gib (they could have given him an extension if necessary, because they could terminate that for cause).

  116. A-House February 12, 2015 7:36 am

    I am not of the opinion that the UHAD can reject “line item” parts of a contract that has been agreed upon by the coach’s counsel and UH General Counsel or refuse to sign the contract because of portions of the contract he/she does not like.

    If the UHAD was presented with a copy for “input” prior to the final agreement, then it’s a totally different situation. If the GC Office disregards the UHAD’s input then he/she has not option but to sign the contract.

    Business Law – for a contract/agreement to be legal and binding, there must be an offer and acceptance. Therefore, if the UH GC’s Office agreed with a coach’s counsel on a contract, the UHAD has no authority to reject any part of the contract.

  117. beans February 12, 2015 7:43 am

    #115 Yeah. Makes sense to me.
    Has the NCAA become too big and onerous in the accreditation and administration of the sports? Do we need them to have all their complicated rules and regulations?
    Maybe KISS should be their new mantra. For me it takes some of the joy and interest out of collegiate sports. Too many infractions because of too many stupid rules. It also has proven to effect the lives of a lot of young students. We have to have rules however not to the point that we have to have legal experts to interpret them. That’s just overkill.

  118. hatakeman February 12, 2015 7:50 am

    “This year’s Warriors need to find serendipity,,,” pollypicador, really? What we need are fans back at Aloha Stadium that show their support for the program. The players will take care of their side of the business. They may not win every game, but you won’t be able to tell them they can’t win, not without handing you your head.

  119. Stephen Tsai February 12, 2015 8:27 am

    New post:

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