Horseshoe, anyone?

Word on the boulevard is UH is close to finalizing a deal to play Ohio State in the Horseshoe.

It makes sense, of course. AD Ben Jay still remains very well connected with The Ohio State folks.

An announcement could come as early as tomorrow.

* * * * *

It appears Keith Kirkwood has a strong chance to be included on the 64-player travel roster.

Kirkwood was told he suffered concussion-like symptoms during the San Jose State game. That night he received favorable results on the CT scan. On Monday, he passed the so-called baseline test, in which a current test of brain-function skills is measured against one taken before the start of training camp. The final phase to clearance is how Kirkwood responds to conditioning drills for two days. Unless he experiences any problems β€” he was symptom free yesterday β€” he’s good to go for the trip.

* * * * * *

Defensive lineman Niko Uti is the latest example that scout-team work has its rewards.

Because UH coaches review every play of every practice, strong play on scout team does not go unnoticed. Quarterback Ikaika Woolsey, right guard Ben Dew and slotback Samson Anguay are among the players who benefitted from some time on scout team this fall.

Uti is in the rotation at defensive line.


  1. UHfan808 October 9, 2013 6:11 am


  2. UHfan808 October 9, 2013 6:11 am


  3. UHfan808 October 9, 2013 6:12 am

    Well, good morning, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

  4. Moocher October 9, 2013 6:14 am

    yeah…..rainbows and buckeyes……….sounds fanciful…..magically delicious πŸ™‚
    warriors and wolverines… that sounds like a battle πŸ™‚

  5. Moocher October 9, 2013 6:15 am

    jus playing..go bows…..thanks ben jay!!!

  6. Moocher October 9, 2013 6:18 am

    hehe if its next year…i wonder how graham gonna feel with this o-line…his old team konna ket ’em

  7. 3-Prong October 9, 2013 6:18 am

    First the Big House, now the Horseshoe! I’m there! Hey Ben, can you end the gov’t shutdown too? Good Job.

  8. HawaiiMongoose October 9, 2013 6:28 am

    Morning all! Hope dawns eternal… looking forward to another UH football Saturday, come what may.

  9. d1shima October 9, 2013 6:30 am

    Great Morning All!

    Horseshoe? How about a Hawaii student at OSU gets to dot the “i”…

    …and busts out one haka! 😈

    Congratulations to Mr. Uti. Mom and Dad and the siblings must be so proud! πŸ™‚

  10. Makena October 9, 2013 6:36 am

    Good job, Mr Jay. BTW, I heard a caller on BC’s show saying he was “fed up” and blamed Ben Jay for the Wonder Blunder the other day. I’m surprised no one called to blame the Govt shutdown on Norm Chow πŸ™

  11. Slugger October 9, 2013 6:43 am

    Good morning, gang!

    Hope Kirkwood is included on the travel roster. He’s doing well going up to get those passes.

    Good luck to Uti. Hope he gets to play this weekend.


  12. Buffoman October 9, 2013 6:57 am

    #10 It shows how uninformed many are even in a world where information is readily available.

  13. Bulla October 9, 2013 7:02 am

    Good morning Tsaikos,

    Nice to see some people I remember, haha…..GO WARRIORS….Congrats to Mr. Uti and your ohana….Good luck and God Bless πŸ™‚

  14. Derek October 9, 2013 7:05 am

    Body bag game with OSU, but we’ll take the cash for taking our lumps. We played Florida, Alabama, and USC on the road so what the heck. Of course we’ve never won either.

  15. Former UH Athlete October 9, 2013 7:16 am

    That’s promising news for Kirkwood. UNLV’s CBs are suspect and he’s proven that he can get behind coverage on many deep routes.

    All of UH’s faster WRs have been getting open deep this year. Just a matter of the QB delivering a catchable ball and the OLine giving 3 seconds to let the play happen.

  16. 3-Prong October 9, 2013 7:25 am

    Just like fishing when I say “the longer you go without catching the closer you are to hooking up”, same with Football. The longer we go without a win……you guys can figure out the rest…hehe

    Let’s Go Bows!

  17. A-House October 9, 2013 7:30 am


    your #65 for yesterday

    let’s do it – straight up – and I up the ente to include a large drink

  18. jeezy33 October 9, 2013 7:30 am

    CB Isaac Brutton from St Thomas Aquinas committed to Hawaii I hear…

  19. jeezy33 October 9, 2013 7:33 am

    Could be a mix up with commit versus an offer though….

  20. A-House October 9, 2013 7:33 am

    Fortunately for me, Chow will go with Graham, call a conservative game, and Kaumeyer will continue to use the 3 – 5 alignment – total ingredients for a loss

    why bet against the “home team”? – easy, they cost me so much $$$ on my bets in Vegas

  21. A-House October 9, 2013 7:35 am

    Darren – my #17 above

    shucks, I was so happy I used the wrong word – it should be “from” yesterday

  22. Boya_jr October 9, 2013 7:46 am

    I can’t wait for Saturday when I get to see us play UNLV. Vegas baby! I’m currently in Houston on business. A Rice alum told me their small school (3-4k enrollment) has a 70k seat stadium, but they sell out several games bc when they play other Texas schools, their fans outnumber Rice fans to watch their teams kick Rice’s butt. Anyways, thought that was interesting.

  23. al October 9, 2013 8:14 am

    What do we get out of playing Ohio State other than getting our okole’s kicked. We’re a laughing stock at 0-5. If I were Ohio State who wouldn’t want an easy warm up game to pad their record.

  24. Darren October 9, 2013 8:16 am

    A-House, ok’s on. Regardless of outcome, it’s a good way for me to pass the comp tickets onto you.

  25. kev-1 October 9, 2013 8:18 am

    Highly talented players are often lured at the opportunity to earn early playing time on teams that have been struggling, but show promise. In my mind, that’s where Hawaii is. A team potential, but still with some needs and has proven to give young guys a shot. Guess what? Young guys grow up and mature with experience. UH has young guys playing right now. That’s good for years to come, skeptic or not.

  26. K-Bay October 9, 2013 8:19 am

    #14 Derek — At Least One USC road game was competitive; Alabama “should have” been a Win (freshman UH running back fumbled Twice into the end zone of a close game)

  27. kev-1 October 9, 2013 8:20 am

    Come on guys. You get the chance to line up and play the best, you play. That’s my take on it.

  28. Ipu Man October 9, 2013 8:25 am

    Especially if playing in snow…

  29. jeezy33 October 9, 2013 8:36 am

    23. Al, I rather get smoked by Ohio St and get paid versus losing to teams that are as good as us talent wise. At least we can say we weren’t supposed to win that game… It fires up our players too against good teams and we stayed in the game versus USC and sort of Oregon St in the 1st half.

  30. A-House October 9, 2013 8:49 am


    #23 – UH will be a lot more competitive, I hope, when they play Ohio State in 2015.

    The “youngins” on 2013 team will be juniors or seniors and better than their predecessors in 2010 or 2011 – at least they came in with more on their plates and much potential.

    now, it’s up to the coaching staff including the strength staff to increase their speed and strength

    say, what if the “skilled players” train with UH track & field team during the off-season? any NCAA rule against that?

  31. A-House October 9, 2013 8:50 am


    Darren and I have completed our transaction.

    Have we done the same? If I no hear by 0800 hours on 12 Oct 13, all bets are off.

  32. Warrior Dave October 9, 2013 8:52 am

    #29, ditto. Body bag games with $1 million plus payouts are here to stay. Need these games to balance the budget. As a fan, I’m excited to go to these venues and see what bigtime college football is all about.

  33. tom mui October 9, 2013 8:52 am


    #10 MAKENA: Give the boo-birds a chance! They will blame anyone and everyone for anything and everything!

  34. Don Weir (We-Ah) October 9, 2013 9:03 am

    I concur. The only measure you have as a player is going up against the player opposite you on scrimmage.

  35. (Jesse)James October 9, 2013 9:11 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!!!

    Hope all have a great day!!!

    Congrats to Uti…his family as well, they are awesome.

    Good news about Kirkwood. Hope he heals up well. Healing thoughts for all the Warriors.

  36. ALLAN October 9, 2013 9:11 am


  37. (Jesse)James October 9, 2013 9:12 am

    #14 Derek…although that game in ‘Bama in ’06 was a good game…and a close one at that. πŸ™‚

  38. 3-Prong October 9, 2013 9:14 am

    OSU will probably pay us 1.2-1.3 for the game. We will probably be much better by then. Bring it on. We’ll probably be so good they will be asking to get out of the game. Make sure we have a BIG penalty provision in there for cancellations.

  39. jeezy33 October 9, 2013 9:15 am

    Kwamane Bowens back to WR?? I think I like the move… Emergence of Trayvon Henderson and Anthony Pierce must have influenced it… Bowens much more natural at WR

  40. Whats up October 9, 2013 9:16 am

    Ohio State is a great addition to a future schedule but Hawaii still should have taken the Colorado game on Oct 19, the very young and inexperienced Hawaii team need the game reps to build depth for the future like big games against Ohio State. Oh Well?

  41. boolakanaka October 9, 2013 9:17 am

    I’ll be in Vegas as well. 22, similar story at boola-boola U, despite undergraduate enrollment at a little under 6000, they sellout a 62,000 seat stadium several times a year–and they don’t even give athletic scholarships…sort of crazy??!

  42. cocobean October 9, 2013 9:18 am

    Bet Graham doesn’t start and the base D won’t be 3-3-5.

    A-House. You’ve seen all the games. In your honest opinion do you think Chow called a more conservative game than the OCs for USC, OSU, Reno, FSU and SJSU? I think Chow has aired it out more (passes of 30 yds or more down field), called more reverses and tricks, went on 4th D more than the other guys. And played at a faster tempo.

    It’s not that Chow is too consertvative it’s the team makes too many mistakes -physical and mental to have any kind of consistency. In my opinion we Should have beaten Reno and SJSU and Could have beaten the others if ……

  43. RedZone October 9, 2013 9:22 am

    Beat Ohio State. That would be my goal.

  44. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 9, 2013 9:28 am


    re #23, I think the experience at playing in da shoe is something the players will be a memorable experience. Win or lose, they still got to step onto the field at one of the nations most famous stadium against one of the nations top 10 fb program.

  45. Na Koa Mike October 9, 2013 9:30 am

    Info on the Las Vegas Warrior Bash and raffle.

  46. Down with... October 9, 2013 9:43 am

    …Remembering the good old days….just show the team this video. This is how the stadium could be…

  47. Whats up October 9, 2013 9:58 am

    The defense that normally is pretty stout got lit up by SJSU running game. The offense did score and make mistakes but the defense gave up a lot of big plays. There are times that the offense leaves the defense out to dry by turnovers and 3 and outs. But the offense did score and drive the ball pretty well against SJSU. The defense is not exempt from taking the some of the heat for losses.

    Everyone wants to blame Norm Chows offense but the offense did put up a lot of points the past 2 games and it’s the defense job the stop the opponents offense from scoring. UNLV has a good running game with RB Cornet and a QB can run like a deer as well. The UNLV WR’s are still tall just like that time Hawaii CB’s Tank Hopkins keep getting out jumped for touchdowns and receptions. I think sometimes the Chow haters forget that the defense wins games.

    I read some comparison about McMuffin having 23 wins or something, give me a friggin break! McMuffin inherited a Sugar Bowl team from Big Daddy June Jones and he changed nothing on offense or defense. He won a lot of games riding off June Jones coat tail and June Jones recruits. Chow inherited NOT a Sugar Bowl team!!! Every time somebody is stupid enough to compare McMuffin to Chow I will bring up the fact that McMuffin was riding off of Big Daddy June Jones coat tails and recruits.

    Mack couldn’t land recruits or evaluate recruits for squat locally or mainland compared to June Jones and Norm Chow. If Macks recruits are so good then why are some many freshman and Sophmores are playing? Marrel Jackson, Nequan, Kirkwood, Wily, Lakalaka, Diocemy, Kennedy and list keeps growing. It’s not because Chow favors his own recruits because there are Macks recruits earning playing time but when the young freshman and sophomores can play at the level or out perform of Macks upper classmen what does that say about Mack ability to recruit? Just saying!

  48. Joni October 9, 2013 10:13 am

    47 let’s see the reason lakalaka, wily and diocemy r getting pt is becuz will Gregory kicked off team and iosefa injured. The reason I would take freshmen Trevor Davis over these young WR’s, not saying these kids look bad but TD was fast and athletic. I would also take any of Mack’s QBs over these loser QBs. Alexander over graham. Stump Godfrey over Schroeder. I think those are pretty fair comparisons. I also would take Freshman JHT over Martel Jackson. The only person is nequan Phillips who’s looking pretty damn good.

  49. Joni October 9, 2013 10:17 am

    Or moniz would be a fair comparison over Schroeder both transfer walkons

  50. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 10:28 am

    Whats up,

    Your last paragraph above. If that is true, then Mac and company were wizards of coaching. I mean they won a heck of a lot more games than Chow and company with the talent they had and they had to recruit while stuck in the WAC of all places. In his last two seasons, UH was stuck in the WAC while the other half of the WAC had already signed on to the MWC. Recruits saw the WAC as a dying institution and preferred to go elsewhere.

    But as I pointed out last night. Chow would have to win every single game for the rest of this season and the next, plus two bowl games to equal Mac’s win count for his first three years.

  51. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 10:28 am

    BUT, it was Mac’s 10 win season in 2010 that helped us get into the MWC, too.

  52. dannyp October 9, 2013 10:35 am


    Inherited a Sugar Bowl team? Is that some sort of a joke? Mack lost every starting skill position player except for Pilares. The only All conference level offensive players Mack got from JJ were Salas/Pilares and even then Mack should be given credit for moving them to the slot. Seriously just stop the Mack bashing cause I’m pretty sure that an offense of Graves/Gregory/Stutz/Harding/Davis/Gant would rinse anything Chow could put together…

  53. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 10:49 am

    BTW… Lests we forget, Chow is the Head Coach, not just OC. So if the defense falters, it’s on him, as well.

  54. Jonj October 9, 2013 11:04 am

    Wasn’t Mack n company the ones who modified the RNS to the pistol and havin it’s first 5000 yd passer and 1500yd rusher??

  55. primo123 October 9, 2013 11:25 am

    I thought it was Virginia that got us into the MWC, not Mack…..or Donovan for that matter.

  56. primo123 October 9, 2013 11:26 am

    How long was Mack in Hawaii, as a DC and HC?

    We should give Chow the same amount of time and then COMPARE…..jus sayin….

  57. Independent Thinker October 9, 2013 11:27 am


    Win one game. That would be my goal.

  58. primo123 October 9, 2013 11:29 am

    A hidden benefit of a rebuilding team……body bag games ($$$) are more plentiful……if we were reloading, nobody would be in the market to give us the time of day……jus sayin….

  59. primo123 October 9, 2013 11:31 am



    win one, so we dont have to watch Yacht Racing…….

  60. al October 9, 2013 11:32 am

    those who know…know.

    another false al…


    October 9th, 2013 at 8:14 am
    What do we get out of playing Ohio State other than getting our okole’s kicked. We’re a laughing stock at 0-5. If I were Ohio State who wouldn’t want an easy warm up game to pad their record.


  61. al October 9, 2013 11:33 am

    blockquote not work.

    ahouse, iwwthm…come on now. al no talk lil dat.

  62. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 11:35 am

    Coach Mack spent 6 seasons with UH, 4 of them, we went to bowl games, one of those bowl games was the Sugar Bowl. Mack was DC when we had the greatest turn around season. Mack was DC when we went undefeated. Mack earned his years.

    We had a coach that was very good at recruiting. He didn’t do to well in his third year. But putting all that aside, Chow still needs two more wins to equal the output of Von Appen’s first two years.

    Just saying.. Let’s not compare coaches, okay?

  63. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 11:36 am


    brackets not parenthesis… πŸ˜‰

  64. al October 9, 2013 11:37 am

    ahouse sir…are you backing out of our bet.

    the original bet that was accepted was that I take $50 of your wager.
    you get unlv -10
    me get uh +10

    that was that.

    I further played around with you on 2:1 odds but you obviously got cold feet on that one.
    I understand.

    if you want – 9.5 go ask stevem.
    no games…you in or you out???

    …nuff said.

  65. al October 9, 2013 11:39 am


    [I]the old format used to accept parentheses[/I]

  66. al October 9, 2013 11:40 am

    stay broke….!

  67. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 9, 2013 11:40 am

    will real al please stand up? please stand up. please stand up. πŸ™‚

  68. al October 9, 2013 11:41 am

    55…none of the above. nor the 10w season.

    it was rockne freitas.

  69. al October 9, 2013 11:43 am

    iwwthm…okay you happy now?
    i am tired already from all this standing up and sitting down.

    just no ask me to lean to the left and lean to the right.

  70. SteveM October 9, 2013 11:45 am

    Good morning everyone!

    S-A breaking news says the UH-Ohio State game is on September 12, 2015.
    So how much do we get for the game?

  71. jeezy33 October 9, 2013 11:47 am

    Hawaii going to make 1.2 mill.. nice move by Ben Jay

  72. SteveM October 9, 2013 11:48 am

    al — the “brackets” are the angle irons–found above the comma and period keys.

    Ohh, yeah–gotta hold the “shift” key down when you do the “bracket” thing… since the real al doesn’t do that… πŸ™‚

  73. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 9, 2013 11:51 am


    happynow haha. good to see you posting again.

  74. SteveM October 9, 2013 11:52 am

    A-House, Darren, Al — when you guys eventually escalate the bet all the way up to a Camellia buffet lunch, I’m in. Not betting either way, but in to witness the bet being paid off… πŸ™‚

  75. A-House October 9, 2013 11:56 am


    #64 – offer accepted – I take UNLV and -10 pts.

    how am I going to collect when I don’t see you at tailgates any more?

  76. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 11:57 am

    Sorry, I meant .. use da arrow/carets.. I forgot.

  77. A-House October 9, 2013 11:57 am

    apologies, apologies to Jason, out most celebrated math teacher, for forgetting to post THANK YOU for your “coupon” donation to Na Wahine BB program.

  78. RedZone October 9, 2013 11:58 am

    Nice to play Ohio State but the trick is to get them to play here.

  79. A-House October 9, 2013 12:00 pm


    sorry, but Camelia is out of the running.

    It will be nice to see Darren again to collect my $$$.

  80. jeezy33 October 9, 2013 12:01 pm

    78. I’d be worried that half the stadium would be wearing red

  81. RedZone October 9, 2013 12:11 pm

    I would be more worried that we will be starting a new quarterback when we go there.

  82. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 12:11 pm


    Nah.. for Ohio State, fans would turn out in near record numbers, if not, pull a green shirt over the backs of all the orange empty chairs..

  83. Independent Thinker October 9, 2013 12:14 pm


    You da man! You one funny guy. Go Bows!

  84. A-House October 9, 2013 12:23 pm

    cocobean #42:

    yep, seen every home game since 9/68 except the win over Iowa cause I was at a wedding that took so long that dinner was served when game in the 4th quarter!

    for me, I don’t care what the opponent’s O/C calls – my only concern is what UH O/C calls.
    3 straight up the middle for a yard against SJS and not make it is conservative – how many “up the middle” have we seen with little or no yards gained in all 5 games?

    for “airing out” the long ball, how many were completed? it may be exciting, but almost always incomplete – yes, there were some completions, 2 IIRC for TDs recently – were the “flats” open for short passes and let the WR go for YAC – for sure, the opposing DC noticed that UH WR were not as fast or quick as advertised and played up close with “bump” and run – they also noticed that UH O/L could be manhandled and certain QBs could be easily “rattled” by blitzing or a strong push from the 4 down linemen – opponents were not afraid to play “tight” knowing that they could take their chances and U offense will fizzle soon

    “up tempo” – has it really worked against opponents this year? each D kicked out butts in the 2nd half when they were supposed to be tired – heck, it was our D that was tired because the offense had so many 3 and out

    yes, the double reverse for a TD against SJS was exciting, but the only time such a play was called in 5 games – I don’t accept this as positive play calling – there many occasions where a QB option could have resulted in long yardage because the field was wide open to the opposite side – even a slow QB could have gained more than 15 yards.

    I guess I wish I could see more “creative” offensive plays – also, allow the QB to “audible” at the LOS – it can’t be worse than the play called if it doesn’t work

    seems UH’s “intelligence collection/analyzing” work leaves a lot be desired – offensively and defensively

  85. Old Diver October 9, 2013 12:28 pm

    Ohio State? That seems like a game worth traveling to.

  86. Old Diver October 9, 2013 12:29 pm


    MIH, well said.

  87. A-House October 9, 2013 12:31 pm


    I don’t think Zwaheln would be ready to compete against Woosley or Tuitele at QB just off a 2 year mission – believe the church work leaves very little time to work out and he would not have practiced in over 2 years.

    I had much expectation for Graham being a 4 or 5* QB – but, now I can see why he transferred because Ohio State’s current QB is an athlete – run or pass – mobile in the pocket – strong arm – accurate

    Graham is like Peyton Manning in many ways and perhaps that’s what Chow saw in him – unfortunately, he does not have the OL needed to be a NFL pocket QB at the collegiate level

  88. al October 9, 2013 12:32 pm

    ahouse…i’ll be at 4e, waiting.

  89. Think2Much October 9, 2013 12:33 pm

    Like the SJSU game, UNLV is winnable. But being on the road, it will take all the right things to happen and more importantly, Chow and his coaching staff have to learn how to win, together, as a staff. Finding a way to win is part of the game. Fans just need to recall the amazing wins over BYU with Ty Detmer as their QB and a UH losing streak spanning a decade. In the first game, for the first two series, UH came out with the “snake” offense and moved the ball almost at will against a totally confused BYU defense. In the second game, UH totally dominated, out motivated, a ranked BYU team.

  90. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 12:33 pm

    Old Diver,

    Actually I wanted to say, let’s not extol one coach by disparaging another.

  91. Jonj October 9, 2013 12:34 pm

    ST I finally got to watch the whole game. And Scott Harding wasn’t injured till the diving endzone catch late 2nd quarter. We had a 4th and 2 mid first and a 4th and 1 early second quarter and we put the other punter in. Even tomey said on air he didn’t kno what the coaches where thinking becuz that’s the yardage made for Scott Harding punt fake option. Coaches don’t kno how to manage the game!

  92. primo123 October 9, 2013 12:37 pm

    anyone know?……..are Graham and Schroder considered Chow’s recruits? or something else.

    Give Chow 6 years and we see what we get………no compare now………jus sayin.

  93. A-House October 9, 2013 12:37 pm


    told my family I wanted to go to Wisconsin and Ohio State even tho’ they were 3 weeks apart – may be the only time I get to see both places/stadium – Ohio State for sure!

    just gotta save da moolah and keep healthy – good thing I like peanut butter sandwich and
    ramin – might have to give up going to Vegas in 2014 and 2015 – dang, I could pay for one trip with the amount I lose – but, still play the mega Bucks – just in case I get really lucky!

  94. A-House October 9, 2013 12:39 pm


    what is “4E”? like a 4F for military? not suitable for military duty?

  95. markazulu October 9, 2013 12:39 pm

    These young men are trying hard remember some players are only 18 years old and a lot of them have nobody out here supporting them we as fans have the right to criticize but i dont think calling them losers is ok.

  96. primo123 October 9, 2013 12:40 pm

    speaking of VonAppen……he actually had some decent athletes recruited….he just didnt have a offensive philosophy to run.

    Three different OC’s in three years, plus moving his DC to be OC in the third year was his doom.

    Then, proof of the pudding came when JJ used those guys, with his offense and was successfull.

    jus sayin…..

  97. Jonj October 9, 2013 12:41 pm

    #62 +1 well said. People got spoiled with JJ and expected the same under Mack. In 4yrs Mack got 1 conference title and a ranked team. How Many did JJ have?? But now he’s gone and we got Chow. I do see alittle better recruiting… But not in the OL department… I guess chows learning what every other coach has said.

  98. Jonj October 9, 2013 12:43 pm

    Primo your willing the give chow 6yrs of the bat?!?!!

  99. RedZone October 9, 2013 12:43 pm

    87. Peyton has a running game which helps him out. I thought that one of the reasons they lost in the play-offs last year is when their running back got hurt and it put all of the pressure on Peyton. This year their running game is back but their defense has not been as good as in the past. With Graham as Chow’s number one he will end up as number one next year which leaves little reps for the other qbs. Not much game reps so our qb for Ohio St game will be new.

  100. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 12:44 pm


    I think al was singing karaoke there.
    You know..

    4e’s a jolly good fellow (hic)
    4e’s a jolly good fellow (burp)

  101. Jonj October 9, 2013 12:45 pm

    And like primo said recruiting doesn’t mean squat if u can’t coach and don’t have the right offensive philosophy!

  102. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 12:45 pm


    I think Primo is being facetious.

  103. A-House October 9, 2013 12:48 pm


    I like that “out of the box” attitude?

    But, I would bring in the formation closer to the team for shorter passes – plus you can make 3 of the 4 run towards the middle of the field and let the trailing receiver ( a short RB will do to “hide” from the defense ) do a feint to the middle or a 2 second delay and run a streak or catch the short pass and take off running!

    I also like the “muddle huddle” for short yardage for a 1st down – use it once and the D will close to the center with the next formation – option is QB keeps the ball and passes to a RB or WR – hopefully, the officials don’t make a “fast whistle”

    ah, toe good life of an arm chair O/C!

  104. markazulu October 9, 2013 12:49 pm

    I may be the only warrior fan that actually liked Coach Mac as head coach lol but i do agree his recruiting wasnt that good and i think Coach chow has done a phenomenal job in recruiting but i am highly disappointed in the record.

  105. A-House October 9, 2013 12:56 pm

    toe? should be “to be” last sentence in #103

    MIH – you think al would be or did that with a 4E?

  106. al October 9, 2013 12:57 pm

    4E in relation to parking location.

  107. PeteJek October 9, 2013 12:59 pm

    When is UH playing Michigan?

  108. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:00 pm

    Adding to VonAppen…..he rubbed the locals the wrong way from what I’ve been told…..adding to his demise…..

  109. markazulu October 9, 2013 1:02 pm

    I think we play michigan in 2016 i believe

  110. RedZone October 9, 2013 1:02 pm

    I think 2016. With Kansas.

  111. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 1:05 pm


    I heard it was a different coach who was “rubbing” the locals the wrong way. πŸ˜‰

    But .. it’s so difficult to find a good coach and for that coach to assemble a winning staff..
    and just as difficult to keep them.

    Yet, why can’t we nurture/keep a winning system?

  112. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:08 pm

    I’ll agree that Chow’s recruits at the skilled positions are different from those we’ve seen in the past. ie bigger, taller, kids.

    Even Tomey said, OL players are the hardest to recruit. There’s such a need for them that everyone’s competing.

    JJ was the best game manager we’ve had in recent history.

    Tomey was good too, he was, stay close and then we’ll win it in the 4th.

  113. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:09 pm


    I heard it from someone in the training staff. But, water under the bridge…..moving on…..

  114. markazulu October 9, 2013 1:11 pm

    Chow and company needs to make adjustments since what they are doing doesnt seem to be working.

  115. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:15 pm


    I’m sure they will.

    Just need to play with more consistancy.

    Defense needs to stop giving up first downs on those darn 3rd and longs……….ugh..

  116. NotNasti October 9, 2013 1:18 pm

    Jonj: Chow explained that they backed off of having Harding handle the punting because he was being stretched too thin. If you were at the Fresno game you would have seen that he was completely spent by the end of the game. If you only put him in during possible fake punt situations, the opposing team would recognize that and cover for the fake. As for me? I think he is a wonderful punter. He would be my full-time punter. Maybe cut back on other things. Find some other sure handed guy to return punts? The time he spends holding on to the ball and rolling out makes up for his lack of hang time. Opposing teams seem to be less likely to return one of his punts than a punt from a conventional kicker. If he’s out there (punting) all the time, a fake punt would be more likely to surprise an opponent.

  117. NotNasti October 9, 2013 1:19 pm

    Primo, maybe we need to get them in 3rd and short situations (LOL).

  118. cocobean October 9, 2013 1:19 pm


    My point was the 5 teams that beat us played a more conservative game than we did. Which was in reponse to your post inferring Chow calls a conservative game.

    The variable you’ve left out in all the points you’re trying to make is the execution of the O or D played called. Did everyone involved do his assigned task and in timing as a unit to make the play work. In a lot of instances the answer is NO. Which results in inconsistancy at times on both sides of the ball.(non positive results)

    Execution is a product of teaching and repetition. Maybe the teaching is bad or they’re not getting enough reps as a unit to execute at a high level.

    BTW. Billy Ray’s TD catch against FSU was on an “eye contact” audible. He and Schroeder both read the corner was vulnerable to a quick out, made eye contact with each other and ran it. TD.

  119. Ratbird October 9, 2013 1:21 pm

    Norm Chow has shown nothing in his 2 years here. He’s a local boy but I don’t care if he’s local or from timbuktoo. The offense is not exciting, the teams not winning, its like a repeat of Fred Von Appen. At least when June Jones lost, it was a exciting offense. The object is win as witness Bob Nash and Dana Takahara Dias. Football is UH biggest revenue sports and if they continue losing, we will definitely go down the drain. It
    s time for a change Ben Jay. And anyone want to call me a fair weather fan, I’ve been a UH football fan since 1966.

  120. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:34 pm


    Yeah!…..Stop’m on 3rd down….WTF!!!….jUS STOP’M!!

  121. jeezy33 October 9, 2013 1:39 pm

    112. Our WRs are bigger… But we still need 5-10-6-1 guys who can get some YAC over the middle. We lack those bubble screen and slant type WRs that can make DBs miss off 1 cut and gain 10+ yards after the catch… Most of our guys are catch and get tackled type WRs…. Need some balance…. Stubblefield would be a good fit.

  122. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:40 pm


    Poor Ratbird….I feel your pain.

    btw….what is a ratbird?

  123. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:42 pm


    ORrrrr….lets get some Wes Welker clones…..our outside receivers, I like’m tall and fast….but they’re young still….I’m hoping they’ll be STUDS before they graduate.

  124. LizKauai October 9, 2013 1:43 pm

    Ohio State.
    Owwww…. I have a headache just thinking about that.
    Let it relive Sept. 17, 1955 at Nebraska.


  125. Makena October 9, 2013 1:43 pm

    Who is UH going to attract for $400,000 to $500,000 (if they can scrap up that much) for a new head coach? The AD will be laden with paying off another coach who won’t be coaching, this time for $1.3 million (according to Reardon’s article). That amount must be paid within 30 days of Chow’s dismissal.

    Even if you bring in some young and innovative coach, once he starts winning, he wont’ be here for long.

  126. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:46 pm

    Ohaiyoo State……… me da money!!$$$$

  127. primo123 October 9, 2013 1:46 pm



  128. jeezy33 October 9, 2013 1:49 pm

    123. The young guys are more Vertical threats but I think they will be good in a year or 2. We definitely need guys who can do damage on screens and crossing patterns though like a Welker type or Bess.

  129. gobows October 9, 2013 1:49 pm

    Thats how its super tough for hawaii athletics.

    San jose, fresno, nevada, san diego they all travel in the hundreds to hawaii. Whereas conference celler teams like indiana and iowa state average 50k+ at home because the texas’ and the michigans travel with 20-30k fans.

    Hawaii needs to learn to take advantage of the big boys. When big blue comes to town, package that game with san jose or weber state. Make all those michigan fans buy a tix for a game that would otherwise be a low seller.

    Wake up and get in the game, thats how the big boys play. Fans of the big boy schools dont get fazed about petty little things like buying a tix for a game they dont care about.

  130. Ratbird October 9, 2013 1:59 pm

    A ratbird is a pigeon. A pigeon is a rat with wings, LoL. I don’t mean to come down hard on Norm. I will still watch UH under him. But we are losing, even to bottom feeders like San Jose State. Off the field, Norm Chow is an outstanding person. But Div 1 sports is about winning. I don’t have to say what losing will do to the UH revenue. Ben Jay said it, “we want to be big time winners with a program second to none. Bob Coolen is winning on peanuts pay. Dave Shoji is the winnest coach in womens volleyball, we can attract a bright young mind for $400,000 to $500,000. There are potential Urban Meyers out there dying for a Head coaching job. We hired a unknown and look where he went=Dick Tomey. It can be done again.

  131. primo123 October 9, 2013 2:07 pm


    We have Gib Arnold.

    Thanks for your explanation.

    Being a fan from ’66, you have been thru the trenches. You should know how these things work.

    From the Hula T, to Triple Option, to Run n Shoot…….

    I’m hoping patience will be a virtue and the wins will come.

  132. gobows October 9, 2013 2:09 pm

    Zwahlen is an athlete but needs to get stronger. Dont need a gym to get stronger. As far as i know, where ever he went for his mission, there is solid ground under his feet. Dont take much time to crack out several hundred pushups. Is he going to be like colt (never work out) or an over achiever like pilares?

  133. Sasa Muli October 9, 2013 2:10 pm

    Sasa says: chee hooo!! The Riley Wallace Invitational Tourney! Mahalo Gib or should we say “mahalo Riley!”

  134. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 2:17 pm

    Is there any rule/regulation that says a program has to have a Head Coach? Why not a Director of Football. Someone paid to direct the program, do the admin work of the HC, scheduling.. travelling, keeping tally of the recruiting efforts and records so that follow ups are on a timely basis, and who hires and helps manage the OC, DC, and Special Teams coach. The OC, DC, and Special Teams Coach each get to pick their own assistants. The Director of Football does not coach players. He might review and influence the OC, DC, and STC planning and training and offer suggestions. The OC, DC, STC are on annual contracts, extensions are possible based on performance. Because we’d have no head coach, that should give us another opening for an additional position coach. We can afford to pay the OC, DC, and STC more this way and the Director of Football would be paid less than your typical head coach and needs to work better with the Athletic Director in managing a successful program. Having someone like this under a 5 year contract would not be an all-in kind of situation.

    Or would something like this be against NCAA rules?

  135. primo123 October 9, 2013 2:19 pm


    Lets just have the AD take over running the football team, eh?

    Industrial Engineer = Janitor.

  136. primo123 October 9, 2013 2:21 pm

    Domestic engineer = house wife?

  137. primo123 October 9, 2013 2:22 pm

    A domestic engineer performs housework, either as a salaried employee for a family, or as part of their own family responsibilities. Depending on the arrangement, the domestic engineer can perform anything from light cleaning or gardening to errands for the family

  138. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 2:23 pm

    More like a retired/retiring football coach… proven record of success… willing to take a whole lot less just to keep active… The Director of Football should know his football.

  139. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 2:23 pm

    Might become a retiree’s dream to be the Director of Football in Hawaii for 5 years… might have them lining up.

  140. jonj October 9, 2013 2:25 pm

    #121 jeezy spot on! The new WRs are tall fast but not shifty break tackles kind of guys. I think Chow noticed that as well and started throwing in Donnie king and Samson anguay this past game. I really would have liked promise amadi in the slot!

  141. Kevin October 9, 2013 2:25 pm

    Moving on.

    Ferd Lewis tweets: “Ben Jay has told regents ‘Im having to to do something that I dont like to be doing and that is playing money (road) games’ “

  142. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 2:26 pm

    After all, Ault was Head Coach and AD for a number of years…. but I don’t want to replace the AD.. just want to increase the OC, DC salaries, while maintaining a flexible-minded, affordable HC like position that could be filled with either a Defense- or Offense-minded coach.

  143. jonj October 9, 2013 2:29 pm

    #116 notnasti Like i said dont make him your full time punter, but on 4th and short he can go in and play a wildcat type punter with all options. If he runs to which ever side and the corners on the gunner break off and go after scott he just gives a quick little lob pass for the first or if he has room to run then runs but if its not there punt it away. no matter what the answer is correct if read properly.

    I think Scott harding will make it to the NFL as a punter

  144. Ipu Man October 9, 2013 2:41 pm

    So who was the quarterback at St. Louis before Mariota that we have sitting on the bench?

  145. jonj October 9, 2013 2:43 pm

    #125 there are hundreds of people who would come here for 400-500k for the head coaching. The question is finding someone who would come live and breathe hawaii football and not just up and leave for the next big pay day.

  146. Whats up October 9, 2013 3:06 pm

    I understand that the critics, Mack lovers, have a certain cynicism of a new head coach that was not there choice or maybe a family member that didn’t get the Hawaii HC job. This is expected, but to say that Mack recruits on the roster in 2012 and now 2013 are better than all those freshman and sophomores playing now would be a down right false. Some of you are arguing the would have, should have, could have but Trever Davis leaving didn’t make a difference Kirkwood, Kemp, Hayes more than enough make up for Davis leaving. But again Davis talent level was replaced by underclassman and that is a reflection of the roster, for every Mack recruit there is a freshman or sophomore already taking over that position.

    Your right Chow is ultimately responsible for the team but the Chow haters focus on the offense because of the Chow offensive mind, but ignore the Kaumeyer defense big fail to stop the run because that doesn’t add to the hate rhetoric of Chow Offense mind. Kaumeyer gets a free pass for letting his defense get ran all over and losing the game, right along with the offense and special teams. The fixation on Chow is a stalkerish from the chow haters.

    OMG, Mack had it soooo hard inheriting a Sugar Bowl program, Lets face it Mack should have had a 10 win season in 2008, 9 win season 2009, 10 win season 2010, 8 win season 2011. But McMuffin couldn’t even keep up the program at the June Jones level of about 8-9 wins a season. While Chow got? Well? A faltering, miscoached, mismanaged soft milk and cookies program and has to rebuild from that mess.

  147. boolakanaka October 9, 2013 3:11 pm

    As 142 adeptly points out, it is not so much the HC salary that poses a problem, but rather the lack of financial support to attract a quality OC and DC. Further, the money portion of this equation for assistants, also set-up the underpinnings for the program to have longevity and sustainability of staff. If you were to look at any of the top 25 programs, many of the OCs and DCs have salaries larger than Chows.

    The reality of the situation, at least at present, is that his staff while largely competent, is also tethered on the fact on who can afford to live in Hawai’i, on the current salaries being offered–this area really needs to be fortified.

  148. cocobean October 9, 2013 3:18 pm

    #125. #145. Not hard to figure that all the mid major football schools are looked upon as SSU – Stepping Stone University or LJU – Last Job University. A good place to start or end your career. San Jose with Tomey and MacIntyre is a good example of what I’m talking about.

    Maybe Norm was chosen with the idea in mind he wasn’t going anywhere if he was successful, maybe ask for a raise but wasn/t going to leave.

  149. markazulu October 9, 2013 3:26 pm

    @whats up

    in 2008 we did have a whole new offense (but basically same scheme except with inoke) and we did play well for majority of that season except against notre dame and letting Cincinnati come back

  150. markazulu October 9, 2013 3:30 pm

    I think if the university has to make a better connection to the STUDENTS & athlete to make them wanna comeback and support our program as alumni even if they have success in what ever they choose to do. Best thing for UH to do in my opinion is start to build relationships and it’ll increase interest slowly

  151. dannyp October 9, 2013 3:38 pm


    You’re delusional if you expected a 10 win season in 2008 after losing the deadheads and Colt. The fact that we even made a bowl game that year is commendable.

    Oh and while I like the upside of our young receivers they aren’t even close to the level of Trevor Davis right now…

  152. jonj October 9, 2013 3:41 pm

    146 whats up… your killing me man! in 2008 mack inherited a good QB but he got into a bunch of trouble and couldnt play. also he lost all 4 Wrs. and gained only pilares and young salas. So he had to go get Greg alexander and was it 2 other qbs.. brent rausch and someone else i believe. Greg was a 4* QB and the lights came on the end of the season. NExt year Greg is on Fire with Rodney bradley, pilares, green and salas. But both Greg and Rodney go down in the 3rd or 4th game. income soph B. Moniz who some of the folks on this board hated and thought he sucked. Not me I saw potential and alot of good things despite we lost some games. Next season 2010 and relatively healthy season we go 10-4 we lose 3Wrs and our RB to the NFL. Along with Austin Hansen our best LT. So 2011 comes.. we have a Veteran QB but with all new WRs except pollard. season goes on We lose our QB, 3-4 starting Olinemen, 3-4 WRs in and out with injuries. How could any coach win 7-8 games with all that said?? The RnS is all about Wrs and QB on the same page. The reason CB and the dred heads were amazing is becuz they had 3 seasons together and knew exactly what each other was thinking and what to do. Like i said if we would have kept the RnS David Graves would have been a 3rd starter and he would have had the same WRS all 3 years.

    WE Messed up and let this all go to Hire Chow who was supposed to smooth this transition out becuz hes a “offensive Guru” (havent seen that yet) and was supposed game plan around our strengths as a team.

  153. jonj October 9, 2013 3:46 pm

    Can anyone here say that in 2011 they did not see great potential in David Graves?!?!? I mean in what 3-4 games he had almost the same yardage as Schoeder all of last season??

  154. jonj October 9, 2013 3:53 pm

    146 and how can you Say TD was replaced by underclassmen?? he left before fall camp. it cant reflect anything becuz he wasnt here to challenge them! he left becuz of our coach much like how Miur our starting LT and best lineman left.

  155. Buffoman October 9, 2013 3:55 pm

    Sure had a lot of folks really unhappy with Coach Mack back when. Criticized him because he did not go after that Iolani lineman hard, did not even know Mariotta (sp?) was the next coming and did not offer. Then the chants for his dismissal got louder when we blew that game against UNLV (how could a 20 point favorite lose by that margin and be outplayed so badly?).

    Coach Jones, Wagner and Tomey also had their detractors and when things did not go right, folks wrote to the editor asking for more offense (Tomey), better defense (Jones) and on and on.

    No one is really happy when folks are around, but really miss then when they are gone.

    I am sure that when Chow is gone and the next coach comes and finds success, the “fans” will find something else to be unhappy about and find good points of why Chow should have stayed.

  156. NotNasti October 9, 2013 3:58 pm

    143. JonJ: I think Harding can punt in the NFL too. Kinda didn’t want to say that and have people laugh at me. I’m glad at least one other person thinks the same way. But what do I know?

  157. NotNasti October 9, 2013 4:00 pm

    BTW, SMU has only one win so far, and was listed as honorable mention for the ESPN Bottom 10 team. Many unhappy people in Dallas/Ft. Worth.

  158. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:07 pm


    SMU should hire Mack……that’ll solve all their problems…..Mack our saviour!….In Mack We Trust……jus sayin…

  159. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:09 pm


    comparing Graves to Schroder? different coaches, different offensive schemes……different, different, different….they probably even put their pants on differently…..

  160. jonj October 9, 2013 4:10 pm

    156 notnasti NFL Speacial teams coordinator is gonna drool all over Harding… Making him strictly a punter and all the different options hes able to do will change the game!

  161. jonj October 9, 2013 4:14 pm

    primo im not comparing the two… im saying did u or did u not see the potential in him to be a great RnS QB. he had a 1000 something yards 5-6 Tds vs 1-2picks in 3-4 games and prob another 100 rushing with a few more TDS.

    and while everyone here is calling for a more mobile QB with the read option and everything. I wonder who could have fitted that??

  162. Sasa Muli October 9, 2013 4:28 pm

    dannyp, not as delusional as saying Gib Arnold had a better first year than Laura Beeman yeah?

    das ok-we all get our own biases and sometimes we all try to pretend we stay da kine objective lie dat. fa.

  163. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:29 pm


    no. didnt see the potential.

    btw. when you see stationary qbs, everyone will want a more mobile one.

    same as you see receivers that dont get YAC, you then want a quicker one, even a shorter/smaller one. As long as the YAC goes up.

    any more wishes?

    I wish for a more exciting offense.

    I wish for a more stout defense.

    I wish for a kick off return, every 5 kick offs to us.

    I wish for a sack by our defense, every 4th pass.

    I wish……..I wish……

  164. Sasa Muli October 9, 2013 4:30 pm

    Sasa says –comparing mack to chow- you can sugarcoat plywood compared to doo doo and call it one malasada of course one more stink den da odda, but its still not Leonards which is wot da people want.

    No ack. All u people talk talk talk talk no tink no time fo poke squid. Aiyah!

  165. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:31 pm

    just my opinion, Harding isnt going to get drafted or a tryout as a punter.

  166. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:32 pm

    Ask Sasa……

    Who moa betta……Chow or VonAppen?

  167. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:33 pm

    Ask Sasa…..

    Which moa betta…..Champion or Leonards malasada?

  168. Sasa Muli October 9, 2013 4:36 pm

    Von appen stay mo bettah-uce get 2 mo wins!

    BUt I say Kam bakery mo bettah over all!!!

  169. Sasa Muli October 9, 2013 4:38 pm

    U know get all dez guys stay on da Mack muli. Dey no get and dey forget da people of Hawaii and da fans deserved bettah! Of course right now Chow more worse so anything a little bettah going look more more bettah. Ah! Easy for make big body argument lie dat. Again talk talk talk too much, no tink, no more time for poke squid or take honey girl to hau bush. Sasa now feel sorry fo dem fafas.

  170. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:39 pm

    hold on……..

    Von appen had tree years…..Chow only get one and a half…..

    Fo now, Freddie’s got Norm beaten…..but we see in one and a half more years…. we see….

  171. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:41 pm

    Sasa says…..

    poke dis, poke dat,…..easy easy bruddha…no poke anykine la dat…..

  172. Sasa Muli October 9, 2013 4:41 pm

    Den Chow going get 6 wins!! cheee!!!!! All my Waialua kanaks going pahhhhtttyyy haaaaddd!

  173. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:42 pm

    Granmudda says…no poke anykine…utta wise goin fall off la dat….

  174. Sasa Muli October 9, 2013 4:42 pm

    but still gotta make time for poke. u know, all dis blah blah about things dat stay pau… no sense.

  175. primo123 October 9, 2013 4:45 pm

    u stay right tho…gotta poke no madda wat….all dis talk goes round n round stay make da head spin….no can sit up straights….all dizzi alreadys….poke’m….

  176. Sasa Muli October 9, 2013 4:48 pm

    Dey u go by praddah!! Aftah tonight I like come out smelling like Tamashiro market!


  177. jonj October 9, 2013 5:08 pm

    Heres a good one.. Bryant moniz statistics coming in 2009 after alexander injury
    and heres david graves after moniz injury. Pretty similar

    David Graves 63 110 768 57.3 6.98 5 2 127.3

    bryant moniz 182 319 2396 57.1 7.51 14 10 128.4

  178. jonj October 9, 2013 5:15 pm

    primo i bet you were part of the hate on moniz cuz he couldnt win in 2009. Like any qb should just go in and win.

  179. jonj October 9, 2013 5:16 pm

    btw its
    completions/attempts/yards/efficiency/touchdowns/INT/QB rating

  180. jonj October 9, 2013 5:18 pm

    and i got $100 he gets atleast a try out as punter!

  181. primo123 October 9, 2013 5:21 pm


    no hate on the local boy…..just little upset I wasnt in on the “fix” in the vegas game.

    uncle moniz scored a nice ride after that one….auwe!

    no matter if it fixed or not, just gotta be on the right side of the fix…….

  182. jonj October 9, 2013 5:26 pm

    sucks for mack if moniz was fixing em, right?!?

  183. primo123 October 9, 2013 5:27 pm


    Nah…..just win baby……..

    sometimes I wondered if mack was playin it too……lol….

  184. jonj October 9, 2013 5:27 pm

    sucks for hawaii… cuz we would have a better coach, assistants and philosophy on both sides of the ball

  185. chopsueyboy October 9, 2013 5:33 pm

    Champion much better, love the crunch when biting into a fresh out of the oil malasadas. Usually eaten in parking lot, not as delicious when it cools

  186. primo123 October 9, 2013 5:33 pm

    In Norm We Trust!!!

  187. al October 9, 2013 5:41 pm

    mih…no matter how you slice n dice, chop n mash. in the end, the guy in charge is the head coach.

  188. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 5:50 pm

    Mariota? Don’t know if he would have made a good RnS quarterback. Great quarterback for the system he’s in, no denying that. Someone just told me he’s only average 58% in completion. RnS needs a little better ratio. Then again, it’d be exciting, whichever way. I’m hoping Ikaika can start putting it all together.

  189. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 5:53 pm


    just looking at ways to save money.. allow for more flexibility for any specific area when change is called for.. all the while keeping continuity with the perceived head person, insofar as recruiting is concerned.

  190. gobows October 9, 2013 5:54 pm


    Harding wouldnt last 1 game punting in the nfl. Nfl rules…offer zero protection to a punter that takes off running. So defenses will just knock his head off each time he runs with the ball.

    There is 1 person that fits your post #145…you might have heard of him. Rich miano.

  191. gobows October 9, 2013 6:14 pm


    its the guy that played at st louis. and not billy ray.

  192. jonj October 9, 2013 6:20 pm

    190 if harding punts the ball and gets hit afterwards would be like being the QB and i think there would be some protection against him

    Also i would be down to have rich miano as an interim coach… if he has some success… keep him. I bet he wouldnt be biased and keep the coaches who deserve to stay. Also if we fire Chow now we have a longer time to hire the right choice.

  193. jonj October 9, 2013 6:31 pm

    Also I would guarantee that Miano is watching how successful chow is at recruiting and would also emphasize recruiting the sameway as chow but take the successful elements that the RnS brought us.

    A head coach is a game manager and surrounds himself with the right personnel to be successful. Miano I think would get the respect from everyone around him… he was a walkon went to NFL and has been a successful coach

  194. gobows October 9, 2013 7:36 pm


    at hawaii i agree with using harding on 4 and short. but i was referring to the nfl. once a punter becomes a runner, no protection even if he kicks the ball. defenders get a free pass at roughing the punter. he wouldnt last through 1 game.

  195. kapakahi October 9, 2013 7:52 pm


    Stubblefield had a great game against Punahou this past Friday night. Broke a tackle at the 10-yard line then dragged the other Punahou defender into the end zone near the end of the 1st half. TD reception was similar to Chris Gant’s TD catch in the 4th quarter of the SJSU game…..same corner of the field……but even more impressive. Even the UH assistant coaches who were watching from behind that same end zone applauded Devan’s effort. Very dependable hands. Very similar in size and stride to Chris Gant…..even wears #9.

    Wondering if Terrance Polk (JC transfer who didn’t qualify) still joining team in the Spring? Would be a nice addition at SB/KR.

  196. kapakahi October 9, 2013 8:07 pm


    From what I’ve heard from my local HS coaching contacts since last year, even Miano might admit now in hindsight that he wasn’t quite ready to become the HC last season.

    BUT….these same contacts also tell me that the experience that Miano is now gaining as the HC at Kaiser HS is invaluable in preparing him properly for the job…..IF and when the time comes.

  197. oneseason October 9, 2013 8:08 pm

    The UH Athletics website doesn’t include the Von Appen years but since 1999, UH went to bowl games every year except for 2000, 2005, 2009, 2011, and 2012. Under Mac, we missed getting to a bowl game by 2 points in 2009 and 2011 (6 wins – 7 losses each time). Under Jones, we missed by 4 points (5 wins – 7 losses) in 2005 and 31 points (3 wins – 9 losses) in 2000. Under Chow in 2012, we missed by 44 points (3 wins- 9 losses). Mostly this is just a measure of seasons with many blowout losses. Hoping to do much better this year.

    Year Coach Points Needed for Bowl Game
    1999 Jones Bowl
    2000 Jones 31
    2001 Jones Bowl
    2002 Jones Bowl
    2003 Jones Bowl
    2004 Jones Bowl
    2005 Jones 4
    2006 Jones Bowl
    2007 Jones Bowl
    2008 Mac Bowl
    2009 Mac 2
    2010 Mac Bowl
    2011 Mac 2
    2012 Chow 44
    2013 Chow ?

  198. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 8:21 pm

    The RnS got us to 9 bowl games in 13 years and had us ranked 4 times in that period and we weren’t satisfied? Hoo boy!…

  199. SDE October 9, 2013 8:36 pm

    No way Harding gets a chance of being a NFL punter. Except for gunners, coverage cannot run downfield until ball is kicked. Thats why no rugby style punters in NFL

  200. el burro sabio October 9, 2013 8:36 pm

    Please, not Miano. But maybe his offensive coordinator as a GA.

  201. lava October 9, 2013 8:38 pm

    I think some have forgotten how entertaining JJ football is. His qb this year is averaging 34 completions per game. He has yet to have a losing season at SMU, despite inheriting a team that never recovered from the death penalty. SMU’s opponents are 22-7 this year, and include undefeated Texas Tech and #10 Texas A&M. They lost to 4-1 Rutgers this past weekend in a very entertaining OT loss. The worst record of their opponents is a 2-3 TCU that just lost to #11 Oklahoma by 3. Quality opponents. New coordinator on offense, and they lost their running game to graduation. SMU is fine.

    Boycott Hawaii and find a real time. They are out there. We lost at home to a weak San Jose State team. Now we’re scheduling away games to Ohio State? We don’t belong on the same field as Ohio State.

  202. Makena October 9, 2013 8:38 pm

    Rich Miano bleeds green and has done a great job at Kaiser High. However, if he wants to become a head coach at the Div-I level he needs to get experience as a DC, even if it means leaving Hawaii for a period of time. Like it or not, that’s a key job requirement at most schools for becoming a head coach, including at UH. Like in any job, you have to meet the minimum requirements, and then some.


  203. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 8:41 pm

    In the WAC, I’m not completely sure, but I think only Boise did better. And in our football program’s history. That’s the best we ever did. Can we do better? Not sure with our current football culture at UH. Won’t know till we get there. But we can certainly do worse.

  204. Old School Dave October 9, 2013 8:48 pm

    I just want UH and Chow to start winning like everyone else. Although, I suspect that there is a certain element here locally that don’t want to see UH Football under Chow to become successful and turn things around.

    Hard to please the fans. If Chow is changing up things on a weekly basis, he’s labeled as wishy-washy and without a plan (Von Appen regime’s 3 OCs – G. Benjamin, W. English, and D. Lindsey come to mind). If he sticks to his guns, he’s hardheaded, feeble, and inflexible.

    Recruiting emphasis needs to be on getting more physical offensive linemen next year, along with a high school or even a JUCO QB to up the talent pool.

  205. madeinhawaii October 9, 2013 9:14 pm

    Old School Dave,

    Prior to the SJSU game, I saw a lot more of the “we need to get an OC” type posts rather than “fire Chow” type posts online. Since the last game, it’s swung the other way. Warriors really need to do better at UNLV.

  206. cocobean October 9, 2013 9:35 pm

    #190 n #192. The good ship USS Miano sailed off into the horizon when his name was left off the finalist list. The time for him was then not now.

    Then he would have been in position to retain most of the the young coaching talent on staff. Now he would have to start his staff from scratch.

    Talk about Miano, he was on the L & L show tonight. He said the main problem with the O is it needs to find an identity soon. His view has been shared by many here.

    The other day I suggested a name Chow could use for his O, The Poi Dog Offense. A blend of several different offensive pedigrees. Will putting a name to what Chow is doing help in giving the O an identity? Or he could use Larry Price’s description of the Hula T – “a computerized offense with no set tendencies.”

  207. kapakahi October 9, 2013 9:44 pm


    Regarding recruiting, getting more physical offensive linemen is definitely more easily said than done. As previously, the Class of 2014 local OL prospect list is thin this year……as it has been the case the past few years.

    Whereas historically there have been many local HS OL products (Brostek, Fonoti, Hunter, Kreutz, Manuwai, Noa, Raiola, Satele, Unger) that made it to the NFL, the reality is that nowadays there just really aren’t that many local HS OL products even currently playing elsewhere at other FBS schools (Greig @ Oregon; Brostek & Hatchie @ UW; Friel @ Utah; Crabb @ Colorado; Markowitz @ USC; Clemente @ NMSU; Koehler @ Arkansas).

  208. Konoman1 October 9, 2013 9:49 pm

    Go bows!!!

  209. kapakahi October 9, 2013 10:13 pm


    Oops!!! Forgot to include Naeole & Ta’aumu among OL NFLers… well as Shawn Lauvao.

  210. Jonj October 9, 2013 10:37 pm

    My high school teammate Brandon rodd also played nfl for a few years for buffalo

  211. Jonj October 9, 2013 10:39 pm

    Cocoabean I don’t think just putting a name on a offense that has no identity will give it an identity! I think they mean that norm needs to stick to one thing and get good at it.

  212. markazulu October 9, 2013 10:59 pm

    I like what Steven Tsai said on Norm Chow inside Access

    Just HAVE FUN!!! Play disciplined do your job and just have fun.

  213. gobows October 9, 2013 11:27 pm

    what a let down.

    here is class #1 for the poly football hof:
    From an initial group of 200 candidates, members of the selection committee narrowed it down to seven members. Among them; LB, Kurt Gouveia (Hawaiian ancestry); C, Olin Kreutz (Hawaiian ancestry); C, Kevin Mawae (Hawaiian ancestry); LB, Tiaina “Junior” Seau (Samoan ancestry); QB, Jack Thompson (Samoan ancestry); HB, Herman Wedemeyer (Hawaiian ancestry), and Coach, Ken Niumatalolo (Samoan ancestry).

    where’s jesse?

    bill walsh said Jesse would have been a perennial pro-bowler had he not changed positions.

    4 super bowl rings.

    kinda seems there was a boycott of the UH (kenny doesnt count) players.

    turns out to be another bogus hof just the the avca.

  214. Think2Much October 9, 2013 11:52 pm

    Regarding Chow, I think most fans would like to see him succeed. Unfortunately, it will be a long shot unless he figures it out quickly. Yes recruiting is part of the equation but that means you’re only as good as your recruits. But we all acknowledge that Hawaii is tougher to recruit for than, say USC or Notre Dame. But looking at programs that have turned around, it is the coaches that have made the difference. Beeman and Arnold are examples. For Chow, he has all the credentials except that of a head coaching record. He has to figure out how to win with what he’s got.

  215. Leron October 10, 2013 12:03 am

    Jesse is a co-founder of the HOF and modestly didn’t have his name up for consideration. He’ll be in there eventually

  216. madeinhawaii October 10, 2013 12:04 am


    You’re probably right. But can the Athletic Department wait that long? Can the fans? I mean, the fans CAN wait it out but will they buy tickets while waiting?

  217. Old School Dave October 10, 2013 12:26 am

    We all know that it’s hard to convince the top local prospects to stay home, but it’s certainly not impossible. Chow and his staff are making headway into convincing more local blue chips to stay home and play for UH. No better place for high school interior linemen than here in the 50th State, IMHO. Problem is that many BCS schools are aware of that, too.

    It will be interesting to see how players such as Dejon Allen and John Wa’a develop over the course of their redshirt seasons. Hopefully, they can become contributors on the O-line next year.

  218. Old School Dave October 10, 2013 12:31 am

    Local players on the team under Von Appen were openly telling local recruits to NOT come to UH. It was that bad. There was also a huge brawl between local and mainland players during that time. One player drove his truck and tore up the grass field after getting kicked off the team.

    Who can forget the “Iwalani High” incident when UH made a half-hearted effort to recruit Joe Igber from Iolani. Igber, to my undertanding, wanted to stay home and play for UH, but the staff at the time didn’t evaluate him very highly.

  219. Whats up October 10, 2013 2:22 am


    Wait? it’s ok for McMuffin who changed nothing on offense or defense (unlike Norm Chow and Thom Kaumeyer) to have less than 8 win seasons after inheriting a (sugar bowl program not team, which means Hawaii has national exposure for recruiting, national media and Big Daddy J.J. left talent on the roster and we know it’s true because as soon as the most of J.J. recruits grad after 2010 season we got 2011 which should have been another great season in the WAC but we got MisMackin instead). because of injuries every year to O line, 4 star QB, WR, D line over 4 years, right? You are two faced, because the injury bug to the positions like the 4 Star QB Taylor Graham plus more are happening to Chow teams in 2012 and 2013, while doing a complete overhaul to the program, but you give Mcmuffin a pass for injures and not changing a thing or not overhauling a thing but ride J.J. coat tails and get over paid $1.1 million a year.

    Before comparing McMuffin to Chow this early in his term at head coach, we should compare Junes Jones record to McMuffins? And then ask question is what did UH and Hawaii get from McMuffin for $5.5 million in salary he got paid? Because McMuffin was the highest paid coach between June Jones, Norm Chow and himself. Besides being a sub par recruiter and getting out coached what did UH and Hawaii get for $5.5 million? Please Jonj tell me and the Hawaii faithful what we all got from the highest paid coach McMackin? I tell you what we got for $5.5 million, NO return to the Sugar Bowl, NO undefeated season, the down fall of the program and down fall of national reputation in the media by blown out by a terrible Notre Dame team at Aloha Stadium and losing to bottom feeders at Aloha Stadium, down fall in recruiting. So please Mack lovers tell enlighten me on what Hawaii got from McMuffin that was worth $5.5 million a salary that is double that of June Jones and Norm Chow?

  220. Maddog50 October 10, 2013 3:29 am

    I just want a win—-

  221. boolakanaka October 10, 2013 4:49 am

    211–Yeah those Aiea High boys have had three starting offensive tackles in the PAC 12 over the last 30 years…not to shabby for a school that overlooks Pearl Harbor.

  222. PolyMom October 10, 2013 5:04 am

    Glad a coach Gib is going to the Ville. Even when we suck in Louisville the fans are there!

    Lets hope this week is a productive week for the football team.

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