Head cases

Quarterback Sean Schroeder will undergo further examinations today after suffering from periodic headaches since he was struck on the final play of Friday’s game against Air Force.

John Lister also left that game after one play because of a headache. Lister did not suffer a concussion and he should be cleared to play this week.

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Linebacker Brenden Daley, who was left behind after being late to practice last week, has been reinstated and will compete against UNLV this week.


  1. lurker November 19, 2012 7:18 am


  2. lurker November 19, 2012 7:19 am

    Mr. Tsai – any news on the starting quarterback for this week.

  3. Will-I-am November 19, 2012 7:21 am

    I hope SS sits the rest of the season, his body needs time off. It is painful watching him get hit so much.

  4. Chicken Grease November 19, 2012 7:25 am


    Head games

    – Foreigner (right???)

  5. mikey November 19, 2012 7:25 am


    Everyone had a great weekend

    Ready for Thanksgiving weekend.

  6. Will-I-am November 19, 2012 7:25 am


    If Mack was still coach. What do you think our record would be? My guess would be that we would either have 1 or 2 wins.

  7. mikey November 19, 2012 7:26 am

    IF Chows still thinking who’s the QB vs. UNLV? We got problems.

    Higgins had 7 pass for 1st Down

    Schroeder had 0 (Zero) pass for 1st Down plus he went down with a concussion on the last hit.

  8. mikey November 19, 2012 7:27 am

    If Schroeder plays vs. UNLV; UNLV Wins 49-10

    If Higgins starts UH 34-33 Most exciting win of the season.

    Of course the New UA uniform helps rejuvenate

  9. mikey November 19, 2012 7:29 am

    Catching up from the yesterday

    #222 … We all hope for a Winning season in 3 years.

    But Higgins starting and play last 2 games and Win…

    Is very important; leading to momentum for next season.

  10. Hilo Moon November 19, 2012 7:30 am

    Time fo check da tempacha in the ice box. Make shua the tanksgiven stuff okay cause look like the chow fun stay turnin sawa!

  11. Hilo Moon November 19, 2012 7:32 am

    the = da

  12. maddog50 November 19, 2012 7:37 am

    Former UHathlete….you are one of the few that make sense…..I am with you on every point so far. Just get a win and mix it up. Hopefully Gregory is back….the D has been more than good enough the last two weeks…..ST have been more than good enough….now one piece to give us a surprise….lets just get this one. ST was for special teams—-

  13. laulau head November 19, 2012 7:38 am

    ST-what’s the word with Justin Clapp? Knee still bust up?

  14. Jun Tao November 19, 2012 7:44 am

    inspired they were…… adjustments, hard to find…

  15. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 7:46 am


    There will be a starting quarterback this week.

  16. lowtone123 November 19, 2012 7:46 am

    I agree wit you mikey. If Higgins plays and NC no geevum da quick hook get chance. If it’s SS no chance.

  17. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 7:47 am


    It was a fairly significant injury.

    He was optimistic about the Fresno game, but that was a few weeks ago. It’s taken a while.

  18. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 7:48 am


    Are you saying that starting one quarterback increases the other team’s output by 14 points?

  19. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 7:52 am


    If Mack were still the coach, the team still would have similar problems: 1) Young line. 2) Young defense. 3) Inexperienced QB.

    I’m fairly certain Woolsey would have been the QB.

  20. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 7:53 am

    The difference is people would be grumbling about the $1.1 million salary.

  21. kapakahi November 19, 2012 7:54 am


    For as many problems as there existed with the program under Mack, the reality is that the RnS offense with Graves at the helm would’ve been more productive….probably resulting in more wins….at least 4….which is no longer attainable this season.

  22. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 7:56 am

    The WAC of recent years inflated teams’ worth.

    There’s something to be said about winning.

    And not having to pay travel subsidies.

    I thought it was interesting that Boise and New Mexico parlayed the savings on airfare into better hotels for their Hawaii trips.

  23. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 7:56 am

    No. 21:

    I think you mean Woolsey.

  24. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 8:00 am

    I loved Mack.

    I loved the old coaching staff.

    But if Mack went 4-8 in his fifth year, at $1.1 million, I don’t think folks would be hunky and dory.

  25. jeezy33 November 19, 2012 8:01 am

    19. Guess that really shows how many holes Mack left in regards to recruiting. Succeeded in certain areas but as far as a whole class, too many holes.

    None of our high school WRs have really developed. Stutz was considered a gem according to Mack and it’s safe to say he hasn’t lived up to those expectations. Sampson has been injured so kind of hard to tell how he will turn out. I still have faith in Amadi. Still young.

    O linemen recruiting really missed in 1st 2 recruiting classes. While guys like Clarke, Muir, Lefotu are playing ok, we don’t have any seniors on our line from the early classes. Under Jones, we had the occasional freshmen like Estes starting early but most of his lines were experienced.

    We all know how poorly QBs were recruited. I don’t know who is to blame but it seems like the coaches tried way too hard looking for the “Next Moniz” instead of sticking to typical Run and Shoot QB. Walk ons like Moniz and Chad Owens don’t come around very often and trying to offer scholarships to find the next one can hurt more than help.

  26. Diogenes Sinope November 19, 2012 8:02 am


    See that some people are still looking into tea leaves.

    FormerUHathete two-cents is one of the few that makes sense!

    Some others, I wouldn’t give a plug-nickle.

    ST – thanks for the great info you give.

  27. westwind November 19, 2012 8:08 am

    I think it is becoming apparent that this coach and coaching staff is way over its head. The personnel issues, the playcalling, team being outcoached, etc. are indicative of this. We support our players. We will always support them! But come on. The coach and coaching staff don’t seem to have a clue. We’ll have to look at the film. Poor coaching and playcalling are what we have here. Yes the defense has made strides, but is kept on the field too long by an offense that struggles. Supposedly, NC is an offensive guru. And yet his playcalling has proven to be too predictable. It is very easy to blame the O-line/QB. But is this something that can be overcome? Perhaps the system being implemented is not a fit for this team.

  28. Annoddah Dave November 19, 2012 8:11 am

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:

    This is the week of Thanksgiving. While it doesn’t rank among my personal top 5, I do give thanks to Warrior Beat. We have an opportunity to rant and express our opinions…positive and negative with this blog. Can you imagine our pent up frustrations during the FVA years? We didn’t have WB. Now that we do, everyone and their mother can at least get some relief…thanks Stephen!

  29. WarriorNY November 19, 2012 8:16 am

    Would Woosley really have beaten out Graves & Stump Godfrey? I thought the old staff loved those guys…

  30. Dan-O November 19, 2012 8:18 am

    Me thinks, next year’s roster will be MUCH different than this year. Plenty additions, as well as subtractions.

  31. Will-I-am November 19, 2012 8:27 am


    That is what I was assuming. I knew that the system change set us back. But I did not have high expectations this year even if Mack was here.

  32. Will-I-am November 19, 2012 8:28 am


    I noticed you have said it more than once that you liked the old staff. Do you like the new staff?

  33. koakane November 19, 2012 8:32 am

    😎 aloha 808, warriors, whines, tsaikos and tsaikettes, well annodah sunny day here and looks like it will be glorious 😀

    sending similar sentiments as ad#30 except line numba 2. tsai you numba #1 🙂

    congrats to cshoji 1100 victory and the 😉 wahines that got him there

    excuse 😛 gotta take this cup call

  34. Stephen Tsai November 19, 2012 8:39 am


    I like the new staff, too.

    What can I say, I like people.

  35. mikey November 19, 2012 8:44 am

    #18 ST


    Are you saying that starting one quarterback increases the other team’s output by 14 points?

    Yes, It did for Air Force they won by 14 points

  36. cocobean November 19, 2012 8:52 am

    ST. Is the new coaching staff as accessible to the media as the old? Haven’t read too many articles or seen them on TV since the season started.

  37. mikey November 19, 2012 8:55 am

    Looking at UNLV they are averaging 23 points.

    UH is averaging 18 points difference of 5 points in scoring

    On defense UNLV averaging 31 point vs UH giving up 41 points difference of 10 points.

    SS going 3 and out constantly gave a toll on defense and hence giving up 60+ points on many games.

    With Higgins starting vs. AF with higher scoring and Run Offence 2nd in the Nation were held to 7 points in the first half is a telling score.

    Higgins moved the ball on 3rd Down time after time in first half.

  38. mikey November 19, 2012 8:58 am

    Like I said on earlier post:

    Hawaii need momentum leading to next season by winning last 2 games at Aloha.

    Or there will be even less Season ticket holders returning next year.

  39. mikey November 19, 2012 9:02 am

    Tough games next year:


    @ Oregon State

    @ Navy


    Air Foce


    Can we win any of these in 2013?

  40. kifi November 19, 2012 9:17 am

    This is for Koakane. 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 Bah humbug!

  41. kev-1 November 19, 2012 9:18 am

    #41 . . . Let’s not start counting next year’s losses yet. A lot of growth can happen over the off season. These kids know what to work on. Next year = new year. Don’t start counting losses yet.

  42. Pauoa Boy November 19, 2012 9:19 am

    Sucks for Schroeder, hope bruddah is ok. Nuff though seeing dude continuously get abused. Don’t think that allowing him to play the next two games is going to make any difference. I know he wants to play but better to heal up and get his mind and body right. Still have another season of eligibility, this season is pretty much over already. Higgins should ride out the next two games with Shutter getting some chance to throw a few balls too.

    This next game against UNLV going to be ugly if they don’t contain JHT’s high school teammate Bradley Randle. Dude is swift and compact and will run rings around the D if he is not contained. UNLV isn’t that good but Randle is a beast…

  43. Derek November 19, 2012 9:19 am

    41, maybe one of the home games, with luck. On the road, forget it. Just my opinion.

  44. kifi November 19, 2012 9:22 am

    “Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?”

    — The Joker 😉

  45. PC-urgence.com November 19, 2012 9:25 am

    You could certainly see your enthusiasm within the work you write. The world hopes for more passionate writers such as you who aren’t afraid to say how they believe. At all times go after your heart.

  46. expat November 19, 2012 9:26 am

    We have given up a fair number of points off of turnovers this season, so while I don’t know if I agree with mikey in terms of his prediction, starting a different QB can certainly result in a difference in the other team’s scoring output just in terms of turnovers. Also, the more 3 and outs you have the more series you give the other team and thus the more scoring chances their offense has.

    The Ducks – Stanford game showed what a pro set ball control offense can do against a best-in-class spread offense IF you have an incredibly stout defense. Stanford is not exactly a perineal football power and they have significant recruiting challenges (different from those at UH, but still significant). It shows that by targeting certain kinds of recruits along with great coaching you can put together a winning team no matter what your style of offense. This season has been disappointing on several levels, but there is definitely hope.

    I know very little about personal training, etc but some of Hawkpeter’s points make a lot of sense to me — especially when looking at the O-lines at some other schools. I hope the coaching staff reevaluates how they train and prepare some of the big guys during the off season.

  47. isleboy November 19, 2012 9:29 am

    Hey ST…Woolsey would not have been the QB….STUMP would have been the QB…

    he had Talent….ability to run….Hawaii would have won 6 games at least…..when Chow

    took over STUMP said ALOHA…..

  48. Independent Thinker November 19, 2012 10:06 am

    Watched the game. We were in it till Iosefa fumbled. After that fumble, the air went out of the tires.

    Here is my take on the game and the adjustments that need to be made for the next game in order for us to win:


    Find at least three other fast guys and let them carry the ball too. Use the speedy return guy in the backfield too. There are fast guys on the team, get them to carry the ball too. Ostrowski is a fast and shifty guy. Throw him him in the backfield from time to time. We can’t keep running Iosefa up the middle. It doesn’t work. Get backs to line up closer to line of scrimmage. This makes them less visible to defenders and gives them more chance to shoot the gaps. Also, if Iosefa is back there, tell him to block for Higgins on passing plays or sit on the bench. Too many plays were joey is standing around not blocking rushers on passing plays.


    Higgins should have played the entire game. Higgins should play the entire upcoming game, with the adjustments above to the backfield. If the backfield adjustments above are made, we will score more points, and might actually win. More screen plays would help get the ball out and moving.

    O Line

    Could be better, but not fatal, because Higgins is quick release guy.


    D did a good job overall. Guys need to work on wrapping. Too many guys appeared to not want to hit someone. At end of every play, our D should be putting guys on the ground. If people are standing around at end of play, there is a problem.

    If our D can hold other team to three touchdowns, and if above adjustments are made on offense, we should win this next one.

    Playing call

    Ok. Let’s be honest. Calling running plays two out of three downs makes little sense if your only running back only gets to the line of scrimmage each time he carries. Time to mix it up, mr. coordinator, whoever you are.

    Go Warriors!!!

  49. Derek November 19, 2012 10:09 am

    On BC’s show this morning, Dave Shoji said he is not going to coach in 5-7 years. He seems to be certain. Hope before he does he wins the elusive 5th national championship. He has a chance this year and next year he has a better chance. Only Maeda is a senior. Everybody will be back next year.

  50. madeinhawaii November 19, 2012 10:10 am

    I think some of our recruiting woes have more to do with admissions requirements than the ability to recruit or effort expended.

    We lost a number of promising athletes over the years due to admissions snafus and/or inadequacies. I think Coach Chow has already experienced a few of those, too.

  51. madeinhawaii November 19, 2012 10:11 am


    If Coach Shoji wins his 5th, I have a feeling he’ll retire right after.

  52. Rodney November 19, 2012 10:15 am

    Jeremy ain’t the answer.needs to step into

    his throws.I can see why SS has started.

    That being said hope he sits for health sake.

    Hope to see Jeremy start.Good luck JH

    and Imua Warriors!!!!

  53. kev-1 November 19, 2012 10:26 am

    If Mack were still here, we would still be running the RnS. Stump was a mobile QB, but I don’t think he would have started. I was always kind of curious as to why they brought him in.

  54. Old School Dave November 19, 2012 10:51 am

    Lane Kiffin is on the hot seat. USC AD Pat Hadden will have to make some tough decisions. ESPN radio guys said that USC fans run away when the team loses and are not loyal. Sadly, it sounds familiar.

  55. SteveM November 19, 2012 10:54 am

    Good morning everyone!

  56. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 19, 2012 10:56 am

    Rutgers to the BIG 10 along with Maryland.

    Poor thing Big LEast

  57. Bigislandkurt November 19, 2012 10:57 am

    OSD — USC and Hawaii fans run away because we live in….well….Los Angeles and Hawaii.

    If you don’t win in these places, there are way too many other things to do than support a losing product. Unlike if you lived in places like Tuscaloosa or Boise for that matter. We are a fair weather fan base by default. And we can’t dismiss the fair weather fans. The FWF’s is where the money base is and for anyone to dismiss them is foolish. Look at the “hardcore, real” warrior fans during these losing weeks. Yep, they are still supporting the team alright….all 2000 of them in the stadium. A noble lot for sure. But far from being able to financially sustain this bleeding program.

    Instead of we berating the FWF’s of this state, maybe there is something to take out of this. And I know what it is….

    Winning cures all.


  58. Kevin November 19, 2012 10:59 am

    Rainbow Wahine Volleyball and UH cannot afford a hiring snafu when it comes to replacing the iconic Dave Shoji.

    By success and compairison, no UH head coach in any sport can match what Dave Shoji has done for UH. Year in and year out ge maintained a Top 10 program. He sold out the SSC because people wanted to see him win 1000 games.

    The next Wahine volleyball head coach better be a winner. None of this “rebuilding” discussion… Wahine Volleyball is an institution in itself.

  59. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 19, 2012 10:59 am

    Old School Dave,

    Look at UoMiami. Same problem with fans not showing up when the team is crappy.

  60. Former UH Athlete November 19, 2012 10:59 am

    Going back to Saturday, UH’s struggles all came from the Oline. They easily played their worst game of the year. They got beat by an undersized defense that was #109 in run defense going into Saturday. No holes for Iosefa and once again the QB was under constant pressure.

    I felt the back breaker was Iosefa’s fumble. Chow dialed up the perfect play vs the AF blitz and Iosefa coughed up an unforced fumble with a clear lane to the endzone. He’s been fumble prone in his 2 years at UH. Most of his fumbles come when he fights for extra yards, but doesn’t protect the ball. The AF fumble was inexcusable, he held it wide and loose and his own blocker knocked it out.

    I liked the adjustment Kaumeyer made by going 3-3-5 nickel. Falemalu moved to OLB/RushEnd, Lutu started at 3rd safety, and Daley to the bench. Since there’s lack of depth up front and Falemalu is undersized for DE, moving him around seems to make good sense. Going Nickel also puts more speed on the field. UH only gave up two big plays, none were vs the option. The plays came on straight run plays where the DL got blown off the ball and blockers got 2nd level.

    UH stopped Air Force on 8 of 11 drives (not ending halves)… Forced 5 punts, 2 fumbles, 1 TO on Downs. So the defense played decent… maybe 3-3-5 is the way to go the rest of this year.

  61. Bigislandkurt November 19, 2012 11:00 am

    We need the state behind our football team. Fair weather as the fan base may be.

    Winning cures all.

    Remember 07? Wow, those were some happy times. Until UGA humbled us in the Sugar.


  62. Kevin November 19, 2012 11:05 am

    2007 was funny.

    “Yeah!! We beat Boise we going BCS!!!…. Now lemme go steal some of the helmets and harass Colt for autographs and yell at him because he owes it to us!!!”

    2007 showed a lot of how great Hawaii people can be and also how PATHETIC Hawaii people can get and how some cannot literally handle success.

  63. Derek November 19, 2012 11:05 am

    When Shoji retires I hope he can name his replacement. I don’t trust any selection committee. Do you?

  64. Slugger November 19, 2012 11:07 am

    Headaches can occur at altitude.

    Hi, Gangees!


  65. Joni November 19, 2012 11:10 am

    Damn tsai now throwing graves and Mack under bus! Shame on u. I get that ur a nice guy and want to stay on the coaches good side. But come on Man U can’t keep brown nosing that bad! Even Robert kekaula said it on his show.

    On the flip side Mack’s oline this year would have been better than last years! N that’s a fact! Becuz they wouldn’t have to learn a whole new system n they would b practicing pass block 80% of the time. Plus it isn’t all about arm strength n all that, it’s more about being in sync with your receivers and teammates. Graves would have started!

    That’s my last Mack defense! Time to look forward. With the attendance hitting a all time low this week. The head people will consider new coaches n whether it would worth it to start new with someone who can take this team to the next level. At least that’s my hope n dream!

  66. Slugger November 19, 2012 11:11 am

    With practices being closed, not many fans are in direct contact with the players. Hope the kids all have homes to go to for Turkey Day. You have to get an ok from Compliance office. It was fun having some of the guys over last year.

  67. masteruke November 19, 2012 11:11 am

    Hey ST UH losing games by 30 points before the half Opponents put in 2nd 3rd team waterboy

    equipment manager SS doesnt lead the team to a score. Higgins comes in at the half leads the team to a score. Chow says well Higgins was playing against the reserves. Admit it Chow has more excuses than a politician and you dont want to rock his boat so you can continue to make practices and be on the sideline. Everyone deserves a chance including Chow but to get respect you have to earn it. His long line of excuses have many losing respect for this man. If SS ends up with a serious head injury the fault lays with Chow for playing him when he was so beatup. If SS was a boxer he wouldnt have been allowed to enter the ring period

  68. Derek November 19, 2012 11:12 am

    Personally, Mike Sealy is the ideal coach. First of all, he loves Hawaii. Second, he recruited Emily Hartong so you know he can get great players. Third, he has proved he’s a darn good coach. Helped Shoji make it to the final four and won a natl championship last year ar UCLA. The question is, does he want it? If he does, it’s a no brainier. But, Shoji knows what’s best for Hawaii.

  69. Old School Dave November 19, 2012 11:12 am

    Points well taken, Big Island Kurt and Iwonderwhy. Lots of other things to do in places like L.A., Miami, and in Honolulu. I was amazed to see that Indiana, a perennial bottom feeder still draws over 40,000 for their games in a 52,000 stadium. Those are some loyal fans.

  70. madeinhawaii November 19, 2012 11:17 am


    What about one of Dave’s kids? Won’t they all end up coaching?

  71. LizKauai November 19, 2012 11:21 am

    Diogenes Sinope: HIYA!!!!

    Happy Aloha Monday!

    God Bless and Heal our ailing Warriors…

    The hit on Sean was so painful to see…

    PLEASE, can we find a way to stop sacrificing human life for a game? These are college students, not paid soldiers defending home and hearth…

    I am rethinking my support for the sport.

    It needs to be made safer somehow so that these kids can have a future after college…


  72. Old School Dave November 19, 2012 11:22 am

    Student support is nonexistent on campus. Majority of local kids attended their high school homecoming rather than UH’s. It doesn’t get any cheaper than “free” to attend a UH football game for students.

  73. kalani November 19, 2012 11:30 am

    Would like to see Cayman get the start. UNLV will no doubt see from film how we struggled in the second half on the intermediate routes after the AFA defense moved up in the second half. Cayman has good arm strength and can also move.

  74. Old School Dave November 19, 2012 11:33 am

    #75: That’s funny. I know a couple of people who graduated from IU during the Bobby Knight and Bill Mallory era. They seem to have enjoyed their time there.

  75. Dennis Halloran November 19, 2012 12:06 pm

    Bloomington, Indiana is one of the great college towns, especially in the fall.

  76. kev-1 November 19, 2012 12:07 pm

    Derek #65 . . . I would fully support Shoji naming his successor.

  77. koakane November 19, 2012 12:10 pm

    kifi: November 19th, 2012 at 9:22 am “Tell me something, my friend. You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?” — The Joker

    sure after hooting with the owls and soaring with dem eagles da day before

    hele mai if you dare

  78. kev-1 November 19, 2012 12:11 pm

    #59 BIK . . . not to mention that the incomes of many fans in Hawaii are often limited. Splurging on football tickets seems easier when things are going good and the team is winning. When things are going bad, it is harder to justify the spending.

  79. Diogenes Sinope November 19, 2012 12:15 pm

    #73 LizK:

    I hope Coach realizes it too! SS has been taking quite a few hits.

    I don’t have the pay-grade but think that Cayman would be great as a starter – what do we have to lose since a lot of people seem to think that thought.

    Cayman would be good as no one has had the chance to scout him!

  80. Chicken Grease November 19, 2012 12:19 pm

    “Why so serious?”

    – The Joker

    The Dark Knight

  81. kev-1 November 19, 2012 12:20 pm

    So I’m just curious . . .

    I have been reading about the whole conference realignment thing and the potential fall of the Big East. It looks like Boise, BYU, and San Diego St. might be interested in rejoining the MWC. It would definitely make the conference stronger and more attractive. What say you guys? Would you want them back?

  82. d1shima November 19, 2012 12:25 pm

    The Butler did it….again!

  83. Diogenes Sinope November 19, 2012 12:27 pm

    #85 kev-1

    MWC would be a rather large conference. If BSU, SDSU rejoined, I hope UH does not get iced-out.

    BYU would be a good addition but they were independent, not a Big East team.

  84. 3-Prong November 19, 2012 12:29 pm

    Speaking of Shoji: Was able to find on line that Shoji makes about $175k. Also found that Sealy makes a base of $110k and $161 total including other income. With Sealys resume and Hawaiis appetite for a winner I would think we could offer comparable money. The real question is whether Sealy wants to come given the extra challenges in recruiting. Does his love for Hawaii make him risk a UCLA job he is set in.

  85. WarriorNY November 19, 2012 12:32 pm

    “Do I look like a guy with a plan??”

    –The Joker… The Dark Knight…

    Or Thom Kaumeyer…. (Just Kidding!!!!!)

  86. Kevin November 19, 2012 12:44 pm

    It shouldn’t be in question, Shoji, who literally built the most successful and consistent program at the university for over three decedes from the ground up, should have final say and a direct hand in hiring the next head coach.

  87. Jun Tao November 19, 2012 12:44 pm

    do you want to see more people come out to the UNLV game? How about asking UNLV to bring over a “mock” casino! Hawaii peeps like to gamble. Why not set up a legal gambling area where people could gamble for prizes?

  88. Dan-O November 19, 2012 12:47 pm

    #85….ESPN reporting that Boise, SDSU and BYU having conversations with MWC, possibly returning before they even set foot in the Big East.

    Possible drawbacks….$10 million exit fee per school. BYU has to get out of an EIGHT year contract with ESPN, which pays them FOUR million a year.

    Guess the grass aint always greener…..

  89. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 19, 2012 1:04 pm

    Say yes to SDSU and BYU…BSU can go and burn.

  90. WarriorNY November 19, 2012 1:05 pm

    Just wanted to give the link to what Dan-O is talking about…


  91. Shoko November 19, 2012 1:06 pm

    Think it’s a five million exit fee should BSU and SDSU decide not to join July 1, 2013.

    Whether BSU or SDSU decide to comeback, it will depend on the television contract the Big East are presently negotiating; which could be anywhere from 60-130 million with 70 percent of total TV revenue going to football-playing members. Rutgers leaving will certainly have an effect on that contract. Also, since Maryland is leaving, the ACC could look toward the Big East find a replacement, which would further hurt the BE TV negotiations.

  92. SteveM November 19, 2012 1:08 pm

    S-A Breaking News: Senate panel recommends audit for UH, training for regents

    By Craig Gima


  93. kifi November 19, 2012 1:09 pm

    Had Jeremy Higgins played enough games, his passing effeciency of 129.9 would make him 65th in the nation. Right now Higgins has a 129.9 PE rating and Schroeder a 97.5. Higgins has a 64.4% completion rate and Schroeder a 50.8% completion rate. Higgins averages 7.44 yards per pass attempt, while Schroeder averages 5.17 per pass attempt.

    Of course those numbers may change or even out if the attempts or playing opportunities were even. But just based on those raw numbers, it appears through the untrained eye of a fan that Higgins would give Hawaii a better cahnce to be succesful offensively.

    With the tendency for Hawaii to rush Iosefa up the middle twice and throw the ball once on every series. It would make sense that the Warriors would run Iosefa two times at an average of 3.2 yards per carry, and Higgins at 7.44 yards per attempt, that Hawaii would average 13.84 yards per series. Of course we would have to factor in that 35.6% of the time, Higgins’ pass would be incomplete.

    We can also throw in the mix, Will Gregory at 5.0 yards per carry, and Jon Lister at 3.6 yards per carry. Productivity would be even better.

    The coaches are the experts and see much more than we do. But in my humble opinion, we should just give Higgins a try for the next two games. Make a commtment and stick with it. Nothing to lose…but two more games.

  94. Bleed Green and White November 19, 2012 1:15 pm


    Absolutely false my friend!

    Nice try, but completely not true.

    Stump was gone at the end of 2011 no matter what. He was not gonna play n this offensel

  95. d1shima November 19, 2012 1:25 pm


    Sounds good.

    btw, stats can be funny things. Last night during SNF they were talking about how the Ravens like to run up the middle. The stat was 62% of the time they run “between the tackles”; 5% of the time “outside the tackles.”

    So 1 out of 3 runs are for a loss? 😯

  96. ai-eee-soos November 19, 2012 1:30 pm

    Wahine outside hitter Emily Hartong earns fourth Big West honor

    By Star-Advertiser staff

    POSTED: 11:57 a.m. HST, Nov 19, 2012

    LAST UPDATED: 11:57 a.m. HST, Nov 19, 2012

    University of Hawaii outside hitter Emily Hartong has been named the Big West Conference Player of the Week.

    It was the fourth weekly women’s volleyball honor for Hartong which is the most of any Big West player.

    Hartong averaged 4.62 kills, 3.88 digs and 0.38 service aces as the Rainbow Wahine downed Pacific in five sets and swept UC Davis, with the latter victory helping coach Dave Shoji earn his 1,100 career victory.

    Hartong collected 25 kills and 16 digs in the five-set triumph over the Tigers as the Rainbow Wahine rallied from a 2-1 deficit. She had 12 kills and 15 digs for her eighth double-double of the season as the Wahine (24-2, 16-0) completed an undefeated Big West road record.

    ( don’t know if this had been posted)

  97. d1shima November 19, 2012 1:35 pm

    “training on its own policies!” 😯


  98. Former UH Athlete November 19, 2012 1:36 pm

    #86… Air Force doesn’t throw when ahead unless they feel like the defense is over committing to the option. They’ve had 4 games under 10 attempts. 2 of which were less than 7 attempts.

    When Air Force passes more than 12 times per game, then usually they are losing by a couple scores.

    Air Force did have a few pass plays but UH was quick to pressure Dietz and option QBs don’t throw under pressure, they scramble. Correa was credited for a sack. I believe NCAA does not count negative QB rushes don’t count as sacks in college (unlike the NFL; not 100% sure). Sacks have to come from initial pass plays.

    UNLV will be a tough win on Saturday… TIm Cornett is an excellent RB that’s strong and has a burst. rFr QB Nick Sherry looks like he could be the best QB in MWC in a year or two. Like UH, their offensive line can be very inconsistent. I’m sure John Lotuleilei (UNLV’s best defensive player) will be fired up and running all over the field vs UH because Mack overlooked him during recruiting while at Baldwin.

    Early bookmakers have UH vs UNLV as a pickem.

  99. kev-1 November 19, 2012 1:37 pm


    I say let it doesn’t hurt to let Higgins play the season out, or even give Shutter a shot. Definitely let Schroeder rest already. I think he is hurting more than he may admit. But you can’t take Higgins stats from one game and compare them to Schroeder’s season statistics. That’s too far of a stretch in terms of comparison, and not really fair to Schroeder. You do say that the numbers would change if the attempts and playing opportunities were even. But because they aren’t, the comparison is pure speculation.

    What if Higgins other starts were more like the second half at AFA than they were the first half? We would have no idea.

  100. d1shima November 19, 2012 1:39 pm

    the comparison is pure speculation.

    Imagine that…

  101. kev-1 November 19, 2012 1:40 pm

    This may seem like a weird question, but does anyone else wonder if Higgins has small hands? The way he holds the ball, especially as he prepares to throw, seems different.

  102. d1shima November 19, 2012 1:51 pm

    Hoping the Warriors will represent their uniforms well on Saturday.


  103. kifi November 19, 2012 1:58 pm

    d1shima. 33% of the time, the Ravens are stopped behind the tackles???

  104. d1shima November 19, 2012 2:00 pm


    Well…I’m not one to be blaming just the Tackles. 😉

  105. kifi November 19, 2012 2:00 pm


    November 19th, 2012 at 1:37 pm


    the comparison is pure speculation.

    Since I don’t get paid to make those decisions. I can speculate all that I want. Haha. 😉

  106. Independent Thinker November 19, 2012 2:01 pm

    Te’o, Te’o, Te’o!!!

    Wrote Joseph Goodman in the Miami Herald: “Te’o isn’t just the most outstanding player in the country this season, he’s the heart and soul of everything we want the sport to be, a glimmer of hope amid the scrap yard of moral and educational decay that is college football.”

  107. 3-Prong November 19, 2012 2:09 pm

    Guess the loss of automatic qualifier money in the new system makes the move to the Big East a question mark.

  108. kifi November 19, 2012 2:12 pm


    November 19th, 2012 at 2:00 pm


    Well…I’m not one to be blaming just the Tackles.

    Not to their face anyway.

  109. Former UH Athlete November 19, 2012 2:16 pm

    #106… you might be right. As Higgins starts his throwing motion, it’s almost two handed. It looks awkward and the ball has no velocity.

    Hand size and ability to grip the ball plays a big roll on the QB’s release. A better grip will allow the QB to put more revs on the ball. If you watch Aaron Rogers or Jay Cutler, spin the ball incredibly fast. Johnny Menziel throws a pretty ball also.

    Ball velocity has more to do with mechanics and natural athleticism. Similar to watching Michelle Wie rip a drive 290y-300y. How can a Michelle out drive some PGA tour players? Not because of strength.

    Doug Flutie… All 5’10’ of him had very large hands for his size and he could throw it all over the place and with velocity.

  110. Da Punchbowl Kid November 19, 2012 2:17 pm

    Schroeder is shell shocked and who could blame him? The guy’s got game, but there’s only so much that can be expected of him. Let him rest, watch, reflect and analyze. Sometimes, that’s the best way to learn. Schroeder has more than earned his place on this team. Higgins shows promise, give him a shot.

    The kids haven’t given up. The Coaches haven’t given up. We can’t give up. No matter how things look at this point, we DO have the players and coaches which will make for a much better team going forward.

    Lastly, if Stephen Tsai says there are reasons for certain situations currently existing on the team, then I’m going to trust that. Maybe things aren’t explained to our full satisfaction, but if Tsai, who hasn’t missed a practice for 22 seasons says there’s reasons, thats good enough for me. Second guessing players and coaches is just that – second guesses. I can’t ever recall Tsai giving more detailed explanations about things than he has done this season. That alone says a lot, especially if you take away what one poster likes to call the “subliminal messages”.

    Here’s hoping our team finishes strong and builds some positive momentum going forward. Yes, we all remember what happened in FVA’s last season. But let’s not forget what those same kids did the following season.


  111. kifi November 19, 2012 2:21 pm

    Changing the subject. You can go to any park in Hawaii, and find a fat, unathletic guy who never misses from the three point line. That same guy will shoot 20 to 30 times from the free throw line without missing a shot.

    Just a thought that came to mind while watching the UH-Illinois game.

  112. Da Punchbowl Kid November 19, 2012 2:23 pm

    BTW –

    Tackles, if you’re reading, I would never, ever blame you… 😆

  113. kev-1 November 19, 2012 2:23 pm

    kifi #110 . . . speculate away my bruddah. I do it all the time. I didn’t mean you were wrong for doing so. It’s part of having an opinion.

  114. kifi November 19, 2012 2:25 pm

    subliminal messages

    Can you please speak in a manner that we folks with only an eigth grade education and two summer school sessions can understand.

  115. kev-1 November 19, 2012 2:25 pm

    The Illinois loss still stinging for me. That would have been a nice win to point to later in the season.

  116. Da Punchbowl Kid November 19, 2012 2:25 pm

    kifi –

    Is he eligible? Sign ’em up!

  117. kifi November 19, 2012 2:26 pm

    kev-1. Oh yeah, I got plenty opinions. None of them worth a damn.

  118. kev-1 November 19, 2012 2:27 pm

    DPK #115 . . . +1

  119. kifi November 19, 2012 2:27 pm

    Play Schroeder, play Higgins, play Shutter. Offensive problems are way beyond the QB.

  120. Da Punchbowl Kid November 19, 2012 2:27 pm

    I used the quotes because I barely grasp the concept myself.

  121. kifi November 19, 2012 2:32 pm

    DPK. Subliminal is what something sounds like after dunking it in the water.

  122. kifi November 19, 2012 2:34 pm

    When you put quotes around it, that means that you say it after dunking it underwater, and with much conviction.

  123. kifi November 19, 2012 2:34 pm

    See, hang around more often, I teach you.

  124. maddog50 November 19, 2012 2:34 pm

    It appears his grip is toward the tip instead of rear laces….explains veleocity and or float, anyway just find a way to win.

  125. Kevin November 19, 2012 2:36 pm

    For every fat unathletic guy in some random public basketball court draining free-throws there are 10 more fat unathletic people sitting behind computer screens.

  126. kev-1 November 19, 2012 2:38 pm

    behind their computer screens wondering if the QB has small hands 😀

  127. Da Punchbowl Kid November 19, 2012 2:40 pm

    Damn kifi! 😆 😆 😆 :lol:!

    Be gentle with an old man whos sides split much more easily these days…

  128. Kevin November 19, 2012 2:41 pm

    Comparing some random non-athlete draining buckets from the charity stripe at his leisure to what a real student-athlete goes thru on game day is like comparing how some drunken slob on the slowpitch softball field is able to hit homer after homer with ease compared to any D1 fastpitch womens player or D1 baseball player.

  129. kifi November 19, 2012 2:41 pm

    I threw a football once. Was out for a year with a bum shoulder. Man that’s a very athletic thing to do.

  130. Duster November 19, 2012 2:43 pm

    #114, I wondered about Higgins’ hand size last week because they were heading to AFA in November. Although there are many factors that contribute to a QB’s success, I’ve always felt that hand size was especially important in cold weather where the ball can get slippery. Hence, guys with big meathooks for hands like Brett Favre thrived in cold weather, and small handed guys like Chad Henne (although he did okay at Michigan) seem to struggle.

    Tim Chang’s hand span was considered small by NFL standards, and he seemed to struggle in the cold. Colt Brennan and Bryant Moniz had good sized hands and did not seem to have the same problem throwing in the cold (unless it was against Boise State). The hand span measurement is included in the combine numbers, so it must have some relevance.

  131. kifi November 19, 2012 2:43 pm

    Yeah, and then you get those idiots screaming, yelling, and waving balloons behind the basket. That makes draining free throws even that much tougher.

  132. Shoko November 19, 2012 2:45 pm

    Not sure if Nick Sherry will be playing since he has some sort of back injury and did not play against Wyoming.

  133. Da Punchbowl Kid November 19, 2012 2:46 pm

    A DPK looks at his little hands and decides its time to go do the laundry…

  134. jimmy the lock November 19, 2012 2:46 pm

    same-o, same-o

    Always get hope though, not talking about Solo.

  135. jimmy the lock November 19, 2012 2:51 pm

    Sure wish I could sink 20-30 leisurely free throws in a row and then get wasted and slam slowpitch homer after homer.

    Those things are still hard to do. Bet no one here can do it.

  136. Kevin November 19, 2012 2:51 pm

    Saw some quotes from “The Joker” ala The Dark Knight…

    This is MORE fitting considering the last few months on this blog:

    Scene: The Joker and Batman 1 on 1 in the interrogation room. Batman just called The Joker “scum who kills for money”.

    The Joker: Don’t talk like one of them, you’re not! Even if you’d like to be. To them, you’re just a freak – like me! They need you right now, but when they don’t… they’ll cast you out. Like a leper. See, their morals, their code: it’s a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They’re only as good as the world allows them to be. I’ll show you. When the chips are down, these, uh… these civilized people, they’ll eat each other. See, I’m not a monster; I’m just ahead of the curve. –

  137. kifi November 19, 2012 2:52 pm


    November 19th, 2012 at 2:43 pm

    Yeah, and then you get those idiots screaming, yelling, and waving balloons behind the basket. That makes draining free throws even that much tougher.

    Didn’t mean to say the “I” word. What I meant was “enthusiastic, diehard fans”.

  138. Kevin November 19, 2012 2:53 pm


    No one here can do what today’s student-athletes can do.

  139. kifi November 19, 2012 2:54 pm

    #142 – Wow, good one Kevin. How appropriate.

  140. Kevin November 19, 2012 2:54 pm

    Some obviously miss the point of that… 🙄


  141. jimmy the lock November 19, 2012 2:55 pm

    I’m not talking about the SA, just us regular bloggers that wish and hope.

  142. kifi November 19, 2012 2:56 pm

    jimmy the lock:

    November 19th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Sure wish I could sink 20-30 leisurely free throws in a row and then get wasted and slam slowpitch homer after homer.

    Those things are still hard to do. Bet no one here can do it.

    Ahhhhh, two out of three aint too bad. Never hit a homer in my life. I’ve been accused of being a “homer”

  143. jimmy the lock November 19, 2012 2:58 pm


    You too good, but gotta be back to back, sink the 20-30 freebies and then drink till DUI-like and crush homers. :mrgreen:

  144. laulau head November 19, 2012 3:00 pm


  145. kifi November 19, 2012 3:02 pm

    Jimmy, no I can’t. But believe it or not, we all work with guys that can. Think about it.

    Of course, wive’s are never impressed.

  146. (Jesse) James November 19, 2012 3:04 pm

    Aloha Gang… Okay, due to some situations beyond our control we’ve had some change in plans for the Christmas Party. Sooooo….

    Tsaiko Christmas Party

    Where: Aloha Beer Company

    580 N Nimitz Hwy

    Honolulu, HI 96817

    (Next door to Sam Choy’s BLC)

    When: December 8th, 2012

    6:30pm until whenever

    What: Buffet (menu to be announced)

    Price: $25.00 all inclusive, buffet, tax and gratuity

    No-host bar

    RSVP: Please RSVP to jgo8464822@aol.com by 12/4/12. Payment needs to be made prior to the event. If we have your RSVP and you decide not to come and you have not paid, we will have to pay for you. Pay James at either of the next two tailgates, or if mailing address is needed, please request by email.

    Parking: Free Valet, accepts a gratuity

  147. kifi November 19, 2012 3:09 pm

    Where is the Aloha Beer Company?

    If I don’t drink beer, will I be allowed to enter?

    Do I have to be an official Tsaiko member?

    Who can I check with to see if I am officially a member?

    I never did receive my Tsaiko membership card, do I need it to attend?

    I Jimmy Buffets entire band going to be ther or just him?

    Will Santa be there?

    Do we have to bring a grab-bag?

    How much should we spend on the grab-bag?

    Are we going to go Christmas caroling in the resaurant?

  148. kifi November 19, 2012 3:10 pm

    Well? Any answers to my questions?

  149. kifi November 19, 2012 3:11 pm

    Hello, anyone there? Hello? Santa? Jamie?

  150. kifi November 19, 2012 3:12 pm

    What time is whenever? Is that 11 PM? or 1 AM?

  151. kifi November 19, 2012 3:13 pm

    Well. Thank you to the Tsaiko Christmas Party commitee. Mahalo gang.

  152. (Jesse) James November 19, 2012 3:17 pm

    Whoaaa…Kifi, too many questions….I feel like gramps already….LMAO

  153. mikey November 19, 2012 3:22 pm

    400 walk up sale vs. BSU was pathetic.

    Never have I seen such a low turn out.

    For UNLV game UH should give away 10,000 tickets to the military personnel for Military appreciation night and fill the end zone next to the UH Band.

    And let them bring Bigger Cannons.

  154. mikey November 19, 2012 3:23 pm

    going home watch the 49ers

    GO 49eers!

  155. Manoa Mist November 19, 2012 3:23 pm

    Don’t think SS has game. He’s too slow afoot and does not progress on his reads quickly enough. Maybe he looks good throwing an out ball in practice, but Higgins is clearly – clearly the better QB come game time.

    But who cares? Who care about UH football anymore?

    I was gonna post some more, but my post was late, so Tsai banned me from posting until after the UNLV game.

  156. Shoko November 19, 2012 3:25 pm



  157. G (China) November 19, 2012 3:28 pm

    From a leadership standpoint, I thought in 2010 Mack should have a long term contract in hand. The financials of how to structure his pay is a secondary point. However, it would have sent a pretty loud message that UH supports winning coaches and winning programs. To me, I felt Mack’s energy and enthusiasm in the game was waning and thus the whole program suffered thereafter. Be it recruiting, live interviews, or locker room encouragement. I was a fan of Mack’s simply because he loved the student athlete from least to greatest. Who knows what their record be today if commitment was given to Mack early on? Who knows how many recruits we had would still be with us? Who knows what the real record would be because you can hardly compare how you recruit for one system will play for another? Who knows how many injuries would have been avoided simply because they are not thinking on the field and just playing. The point was that leadership didn’t find Mack worth keeping so they moved on.

    Leadership then moves in another direction and brings in Chow. He tries to install a new system and its like turning the titanic. People want to jump ship. Still Chow is just as decorated if not more than Mack only on the offensive side of the ball. And people have been discouraged because they don’t see progress the kind of progress they were hoping for by this time of the year. Rather the games remind them of the Von Oppen years. But leadership is silent on these matters and Chow is being left hang out to dry. 5 years have been given to the man, and the fans are saying would it cost more to keep him? Where is leadership now? AD is gone and the interim is just scheduling games. The Stevie debacle still looms like Benghazi.

    I’m a firm believer that everything rises and falls on leadership. And I don’t see it here. Granted I don’t read articles anymore since I can’t find myself paying for the paper, but the sentiment on the blog has changed quite drastically. We are throwing coaches, student athletes, systems, recruits and more under the perverbial

    Context is king and I would agree with madeinhawaii that you have to understand why we are here today. The moves from JJ to Mack to now Chow. Many lessons to learn and I hope leadership and we the fan base and administration learn it well.

  158. RedZone November 19, 2012 3:44 pm

    My best to Sean Schroeder. I hope that he will be okay.

    My hats off to Lutu. Watching him play all dinged up made me cringe at times.

    The warriors are all still battling. Imua warriors.

  159. Shoko November 19, 2012 3:50 pm

    LVSC opening line at Hawaii -1.

  160. Shoko November 19, 2012 3:52 pm

    Niners looking to stack some points against the Bears

  161. Manoa November 19, 2012 4:00 pm

    55 Kev1, you can have a mobile or even a running quarterback in the run and shoot (just as you can in a proset)– the run and shoot was originally run with a lot of bootleg or rollout by the QB from under center or the gun. There are also a lot of designed runs for the QB, and the QB gets a lot of open field in the run and shoot and space to run.

    JJ was in fact always looking for a running QB and recruited several– and he almost always had one running QB to run the option which is his second favorite offense. He had Sean Withy Allen– a 6’4″ high hurdle champion run the option and pass and he had some good games for us with significant playing time. He had Poumele who ran the option, and he of course had Graunke, an option QB in high school with an arm. Graunke ran option one whole half against USC and it might have been our best half ever until Colt came in the second half for his first game for us, and it became a slaughter.

  162. Kevin November 19, 2012 4:01 pm

    Congrats to Coach Michele Nagamine and her Rainbow Wahine for being recipients of the Big West Women’s Soccer Sportsmanship Award!

  163. wafan November 19, 2012 4:01 pm

    Welcome to the USS Murphy, crew and families!

    A long and honorable service to you.

  164. kapakahi November 19, 2012 4:04 pm

    #27 & 123,

    Just going by what I was told by my OC buddy…..who’s usually pretty reliable with his info. ST also knows of whom I speak.

    Sounds like my reference to “personal” issues may be somewhat misunderstood. Maybe the more accurate and appropriate way was to say that Olds had to deal with legit and more pressing “family” issues….not of his own doing….similar to situation why Jordan Puu-Robinson transferred from WSU to UH this season…..that were also a distraction from dealing and complying with the new Coach’s “old school” rules.

    Not saying that Olds deserved to get booted by Coach from the Warrior team…..just that dealing with these pressing “family” issues took priority for Olds as they should…..but also noting that it made it easier for Coach to do what he did when there were failures to comply with his “old school” rules. Coach had even less legit reasons to weed out Legay, Lolotai, and Spain.

    From all accounts as well as my own practice observations from last 2011 season, Olds is indeed a player…..giving last year’s 1st team DL (Tuipulotu, Meatoga, Masch) fits with his off-the-ball quickness while playing scout team OL. Nobody is saying that Olds isn’t a player.

    No agenda here. Some that are close to the current players are also aware of what happened with Olds and other Warrior players no longer with the program.

    Just reminding others…..that Warrior players (including Olds) got weeded out before the 2012 season…..justified or not…..by Coach….and is still ongoing and continuing…..according to some of the assistant coaches.

  165. Annoddah Dave November 19, 2012 4:10 pm

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:

    The BOR needs training? Yikes! I thought this group is comprised of the best and brightest in the community and corporate world. Or is this just a luncheon group. They didn’t get the memo that there is work involved in being a Regent.

  166. Manoa November 19, 2012 4:11 pm

    I keep thinking we have not seen the offense Chow will grow into after this experience. Once he gets familiar with the MWC he will see that it is a high scoring league with a lot of “gimmick” offenses. And several of those high scoring teams also play good defense– Utah State with Aranda being an excellent example of very good spread offense and even better defense. Just as teams in the SEC and Big 10 have gone from low scoring run dominated proset offenses to high scoring spread offenses, and forced more teams to switch (the switching began as two SEC teams won three national championships with the spread).

    Chow will not change to the spread, but he will bring elements into his system to add more production some of which we see now– like converting tight ends to receivers outside the tackles– like slotbacks– using Lister as a receiver and less as a blocker, passing more, spreading the field more, using more one back formations, and using adjusting routes (Graham apparently throws into adjusting routes in practice, so maybe we see more of that).

    Chow needs an offense that can score as many points as the MWC spread teams or we lose. Lots of those teams also control the ball for long drives– like Air Force, Nevada, and New Mexico.

  167. Derek November 19, 2012 4:29 pm

    Congratulations Wahine!

    Dubois distinction: the Warriors did not allow a single passing yard on Saturday. The Falcons helped. They did not attempt a pass at all. Nada.

  168. d1shima November 19, 2012 4:35 pm

  169. Shoko November 19, 2012 4:36 pm

    Training or educating. They say knowing is half the battle, but if you can’t apply that knowledge its a waste of time.

  170. d1shima November 19, 2012 4:39 pm

  171. Capitolist/WassupDoc November 19, 2012 4:55 pm

    #152 (Jesse) James:

    We’ll be at the men’s basketball game that night and wouldn’t be able to arrive until well after 9 pm.

    How late would the food service be available? If it is closed by then, what would the charge be to attend?

    CHANGE OF SUBJECT: Any thoughts of who else could be be put on the Board of Regents Task Group on Intercollegiate Athletics besides Regents John Holzman, Michael Dahilig, Saedene Ota, and Tom Shigemoto? I suggested Keith Amemiya and Doris Sullivan.

  172. lava November 19, 2012 5:00 pm

    Check Chow’s head too — idiot.

  173. kapakahi November 19, 2012 5:42 pm


    YES….no apologies here. Sticking with what was told to me by my OC buddy….who is definitely not a fan of the Coach.

    Therefore, the so-called “unfounded claim” definitely isn’t coming from anyone associated with or even a supporter of the current UH program.

    Actually not sure if it’s something that Coach even knew about.

    HOWEVER, must agree with you that there are definite double-standards being applied to the players. No doubt that Coach definitely has his favorites…..while others who are no longer with program didn’t get a fair shake.

    If it’s worthless to you…..do us both a favor and ignore what I post. I’ll try to return the same courtesy to you if you do.

  174. Abunai November 19, 2012 5:51 pm


    Really….. The qbs you mentioned had no quality playing time. Thats not even close.. I remember SWA playing but not like how your saying. All of our productive qbs has been pocket qbs. Not mobile qbs. That’s just the facts. And how often did JJ do option? Not many. One to two plays a game. Maybe at the most five in one game. But pass for an average of 40-50. Run about 20 times…

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  176. Kevin November 19, 2012 5:54 pm

    Holy crap! Chaminade handing the BUSINESS to Texas right now in the Maui Invitational! As of 3 minutes ago Silverswords up on the Texas … um whatever the cows or horn cows or something.. 65-45 with less than 15 minutes left in the game!

  177. Kevin November 19, 2012 5:55 pm

    Check that… Texas back to within 15 points with less than 5 minutes left to go.


  178. jm2375 November 19, 2012 6:03 pm

    GO Chaminade!

    Hoya Saxa! GU beats up UCLA. 😀 😀 😀

  179. Stefania Bibi Sinning November 19, 2012 6:05 pm

    This artical is outstanding, nice perform and well put together, thanks for sharring.

  180. Derek November 19, 2012 6:14 pm

    Colin Kaepernick was on fire!!

  181. kapakahi November 19, 2012 6:18 pm


    Since you can’t ignore me, I’ll ignore you…..hereafter.

  182. kapakahi November 19, 2012 6:19 pm

    …..like ST apparently already does.

  183. Chicken Grease November 19, 2012 6:23 pm

    A Longhorn cries.

    Hey! Elvis!!!

  184. kapakahi November 19, 2012 6:29 pm

    Now I understand what ST meant…..by the 10% comment.

  185. papajoe2 November 19, 2012 7:17 pm

    So, Chaminade beats Texas on the 30th anniversary of the deafeat of #1 Virginia. Too bad Texas wasn’t ranked. Or were they? It’s their 1st lost.

  186. papajoe2 November 19, 2012 7:18 pm

    Missed typed defeat. It was an impressive win for Chaminade, 86-13.

  187. Chicken Grease November 19, 2012 7:19 pm

    Tsai works hard to get us information.

    And then writing about it. Ain’t as easy as it seems. The heck you think so many people hate to write? Why almost all colleges and universities require writing intensive courses nowadays?

    # # #

  188. kapakahi November 19, 2012 7:25 pm

    Other than what I was told regarding Santa Ana College situation….which I accepted and posted without question before verifying, all other statements are indeed factual.

    Mea culpa for those premature statements that may apparently be inaccurate.

  189. AlaWai November 19, 2012 7:35 pm

    Chaminade beats Texas 86-73!

  190. kapakahi November 19, 2012 7:37 pm


    Too bad that the Dec. 15th MBB game between UH and Chaminade isn’t being played on Oahu….instead of Molokai.

    Would’ve drawn a bigger crowd….from both schools…..at the Sheriff Center.

  191. Bugaz November 19, 2012 7:38 pm

    I don’t know much about bball, but Illinois is kicking the crap out of USC. Did they play UH soft, or are our boys that good this season?

  192. Bugaz November 19, 2012 7:39 pm


  193. kapakahi November 19, 2012 7:40 pm

    At least the Dec. 15th game is on free TV.

  194. Chicken Grease November 19, 2012 7:44 pm

    202!!! Palindrome of numbers!

  195. Chicken Grease November 19, 2012 7:48 pm

    . . . that is . . . kapakahi has it . . . 202 . . . yeah. Yeah. You know?

  196. Bugaz November 19, 2012 7:50 pm

    Anybody care to join me watch the Warriors while they smack the crap out of UNLV on Saturday

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  205. Kapahulukine November 19, 2012 8:48 pm

    UH defense did a good job, but in the second half AFA o-line started getting rhythm, penetration. I attribute alot of that to altitude. Remember last year, we held out for half a game against Colorado, until our guys got gassed and they started gashing us. Some of you ex-high school ballers will remember what it’s like when no oxygen’s getting in, and you start getting weak as a kitten.

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    Chow gave up early on with Graves, when he decided he wanted a pocket passer. That was back in Spring. Hundreds of reps, practicing with the a mobile QB offense would have us in a better position now. Higgins mobility, even given his gimpy arm and questionable accuracy, was an obvious advantage.

    The ESPN announcers aren’t homers, don’t give a crap, but they did keep saying “Gee, Higgins gives them more mobility, he can extend the play.” Another classic was “Hawaii should be trying more screen passes.” NC is getting basic play-calling lessons from the two announcers. OMG…..They just restated the obvious, that’s all. NC doesn’t understand play calling on this level of football.

    NC is still going through his growing pains. He will be bending, changing, warping his understanding as he loses more and more games in the MWC. Something will give eventually.

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  207. kev-1 November 19, 2012 8:49 pm

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  209. Kapahulukine November 19, 2012 8:59 pm

    Those were the days: Corey Paredes stripping Kaepernicke of the ball at the goal line. Maybe there is something to this talent deficit talk this year?

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  211. cocobean November 19, 2012 9:01 pm

    #215. I watched the game. When did they say that I must have missed it. I did blog at halftime I thought Chow should use more screens or maybe hit them with a shovel(pass).

    Not a good day to post. People can’t agree on who’s version of something long past is correct.

  212. Kapahulukine November 19, 2012 9:02 pm

    It’s obvious from the lick Schroeder took he has a concussion. He should sit one more game. It’ll break NC’s heart.

  213. Kapahulukine November 19, 2012 9:05 pm


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  215. kapakahi November 19, 2012 9:10 pm

    Sounds like the start of some interesting dicussions between Boise State, San Diego State, and BYU with the MWC.


  216. d1shima November 19, 2012 9:11 pm

    Nice win by the Ninahz!

    Good ole fashioned beat down…

    QB controversy? Wait to see what defenses do with the film. NFL staffs aren’t there because they can’t figure out schemes, tendencies and keys and do it quickly!

    Now that Kaepernick is on a full game’s worth of video, Harbaugh will need to push things to stay ahead of the curve.

  217. nanakuli November 19, 2012 9:28 pm

    How many of Chow’s assistant coaches will bail for the mainland in Dec.?

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  219. cocobean November 19, 2012 9:31 pm

    d1. Do you think Chow factors in that opponents have every Warrior snap on film when he draws up his game plan? Seems his approach is if everyone does his job the play should work. He doesn’t seem to take into account the opponent is doing their do diligence in breaking down film figuring where and how to attack the different looks Chow’s offense shows.

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  221. Kapahulukine November 19, 2012 9:34 pm

    The basic rule of NFL QBs was: running QBs are losers. They are successful at first, defenses adjust, they get hurt, and then they lose their confidence. End of career. See Vince Young.

    At Texas, he would throw those long, looping passes to WRs who were wide open because he could run faster than most DBs. He was the best athlete on the field. Poster child for why running doesn’t work in the NFL apparently.

    Now if you look at Kaepernicke, Rogers, RGIII, it looks like you can be a running, scrambling QB, provided you have the superior throwing skills and judgement. I think NC came of age when a mobile QB meant you were really weak at that position, in transition till the next play-action passer became available.

    In fact, Chow’s career’s at Tennessee overlaps Young’s tenure (2006-2010). I wonder if the failure of Young to do anything in the NFL informed Chow’s disdain for the mobile QB concept. But times have changed. Maybe we need to stage an intervention.

  222. madeinhawaii November 19, 2012 9:34 pm

    I think they did try something akin to the shovel pass… but it was pitched too soon and the d-line still hadn’t crossed the line of scrimmage so there was no gain.

  223. d1shima November 19, 2012 9:35 pm

    If it’s a “different look” how they get film?

  224. d1shima November 19, 2012 9:37 pm

    Chow and Fisher never wanted Young, the owner did.

  225. d1shima November 19, 2012 9:40 pm

    Brady, Rodgers, Brees are “mobile” within a 9 square foot field called “the pocket”

  226. gobows November 19, 2012 9:43 pm

    #214 & #225 that has been talked about on this blog on several occasions. the moment the big east loses the automatic qualifier status for the bcs games, there is no reason for boise and san diego to be in the big east. logic will tell you they would seek to leave and they would need a new home. their only option is the mwc or independent. byu is finding it’s pretty damn hard to fill out a schedule. hopefully the mwc doesn’t give UH the shaft by asking for more travel subsidies.

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    I think Rogers would like to be a pocket passer. I see a lot throwing on the run this year. No offensive line.

  229. gobows November 19, 2012 9:51 pm

    #235 rodgers is pretty mobile outside the pocket too, he’s averaging 4.6, whereas rg3 is at 6+. most qb’s are near zero if not negative.

  230. d1shima November 19, 2012 9:52 pm

    So does McCarthy dump Rodgers and draft Colin Klein or does he fix the OL?

  231. d1shima November 19, 2012 9:53 pm

    …does he “scheme” to have Rodgers run a spread offense?

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    Quick show of hands!

    Who knew during the season that Michael Carter had a broken rib?

  235. 3-Prong November 19, 2012 10:18 pm

    232 MIH: Speaking of the shovel pass…..”shovel to Ilaoa……….touchdown”. WTH, living in the past sometimes, keeps me going to the games and gives me hope. Go Warriors!

  236. 3-Prong November 19, 2012 10:20 pm

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  238. gobows November 19, 2012 10:24 pm

    #26 sam gordon was a special guest at the 49ers practice.

  239. gobows November 19, 2012 10:26 pm

    #245 you asking about ’92 or ’93. don’t know about ’92, but everybody knew carter played most of the year without breathing in ’93.

  240. jm2375 November 19, 2012 10:30 pm

    B$U, BYWho & SDSU can stay where they are. They said “See ya suckas!” Karma’s a beyotch, ain’t it? 😈 UH should say, “No backs”.

  241. 3-Prong November 19, 2012 10:41 pm

    jm2375: Respectfully have to disagree. Best to reel

    them back in so conference can get better TV deal.

    Cue Garret: Need your professional input on where league and BYU are with their tv deals.

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  243. Hank November 20, 2012 3:57 am

    From Todays Star-Advertiser:

    “Sean took a whack,” Chow said.

    Schroeder said: “I had a concussion.”

    It was not the first time Schroeder suffered concussion-like symptoms this year.

    “I’ve had a couple,” said Schroeder, who did not report them to the coaches, trainers or doctors. “That’s probably not the smartest thing.”

    Chow said: “He wanted to play so badly he didn’t report it. I told him: ‘You have to tell people when you have a headache.’ He said he had some headaches during the course of the year.”

    It troubles me that our Coach and staff didn’t recognize that SS was having concussion problems. The signs were there. I’ll be stupid to let him play this week…regardless of the “medical clearance”.

  244. azwarrior22 November 20, 2012 4:15 am

    NC is making it increasingly difficult to keep the fan base engaged when he’s still entertaining SS as a starting QB. That is a failed experiment; it doesn’t translate from the practice field to under the lights. No one questions SS heart and toughness but he doesn’t have the “IT” factor and doesn’t get it done. Any talk of a new QB change should start with Cayman or even Graves…Higgins isn’t the answer either. Give Cayman his shot. Fans are getting frustrated and understandly so because Chow’s logic makes no sense.

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  247. 3-Prong November 20, 2012 6:13 am

    Bobby Curran hinting that discussions by BSU, SDSU, and BYU with MWC, puts Hawaii as the only football only memeber in a precarious position, because that would mean league would have 13 teams.

  248. Shoko November 20, 2012 6:28 am

    Hmm, listening to BC this morning and he thinks that Hawaii might be in jeopardy of losing its membership in the MW if BSU, SDSU and BYU rejoin the conference.

  249. 3-Prong November 20, 2012 6:29 am

    Doesn’t SS admitting that he has had multiple

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