Game day: Utah State
With all the, uh, hoop-la at UH, it’s easy to forget today is Game Day.
Here are the storylines:
> Defensive coordinator Kevin Clune is facing his previous team. (He was USU’s linebacker coach for five years through the 2013 season.)
> The Aggies will be without dynamic QB Chuckie Keeton. And Darell Garretson. And Craig Harrison.
> Previously No. 4 QB Kent Myers makes his first career start. He has spent most of the season as the player who signals calls from the sideline.
> The is UH’s next-to-last home game of 2014. Three of the next four games are on the road.
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Avis has selected Big Wave as the winner of the official Rainbow helmet decals.
Like Twix candy, there are two, so if you see Big Wave, you may ask him to share (spare?) one.
Thanks for playing.
Morning Tsaikos!
It’s game day, let’s go rainbow warriors!!
hope they have a good game n all come out with no serious injuries…
Congratulations, BigWave!
Oh, and a good game day morning, too!!!
Utah State comes in 4-3 with wins over BYU (35-20) and AF (34-16), and a close loss to CSU (13-16). If UH has the lead at the half, I hope coach Chow green lights an aggressive second half of offense playcalling. Don’t want to see a repeat of the Nevada game.
#5: there’s always hope. because with this program and norm chow, hope is all we have.
GOOD MORNING, HAWAII!
GO BOWS!
GO WAHINE!
#6 … the first half of the Nevada game showed IMO that we have the players to compete.
For every reason you can think, today is a must win. It is actually more of a “you better win” game.
GO WARRIORS!!!!
oneseason … I agree the players can compete. I have been among the group that have insisted that this team has the competitive talent to win. IMO opinion, it has been playcalling, coaching, and psyche that has hurt this years team.
They don’t only need to beat Utah St. today, they need to smash them.
On another note … It looks like Kenny Hill (QB at Texas A&M) has come down with a little bit of the Johnny Football syndrome. After anointing himself as the next star and giving himself a ridiculous nickname (Kenny Trill), he has since demonstrated mediocre play, lost his starting job, and has now been suspended. Inflated ego is such a bad thing for these young athletes.
The one good thing about UH not landing these high starred recruits out of high school is that we don’t end up with divas on our team.
So if Utah State’s qb gets injured, will they put in? etc. etc.
kev-1
very optimistic…ur thinking…
unfortunately reality is…they can’t smash ne one in the state of affairs they are in now…n state of mind…wish they could n would…
Good Game Day Morning, Tsai-kos!!
kev-1 … Yup … I hope I don’t hear another UH FB coach interview statement that the players need to step up until they review and publicly acknowledge the lackings in coach staffing, game strategy, and playcalling.
Congratulations, BigWaveDave! Yipeeee!
IMHO…With all of the public “bungling” that Ben Jay has done over his tenure and the declining support for his leadership, I’m wondering “when” he will run out of his “rope”? Who decides whether to terminate BJ or not? The President of UH or Chancellor of Manoa? Michigan recently fired its AD and his performance mirrors what BJ has done at UH. I believe that “confidence” in UH athletics is at an all-time low right now…
Excuse my previous tirade of BJ, but it had to come out…
I’m hoping that the Warriors can put it together to beat the Aggies tonight…It would be a good omen, as I think Joey will be able to play next week against CSU and that will hopefully, change our fortunes! Go Warriors!
Circle the wagons, even some of our own “fans” are after us. Protect the house and do it.
LET’S GO BOWS!
Hawaii will struggle again to win a game….dropped passes will continue…
imagine coach blaming QB for throwing pass too hard….really….
Hawaii defense will get pushed back again in second half…..Utah State
will run the ball effectively and win by 3 touchdowns….unemployment
line is waiting for coaching staff…..
GO WARRIORS!!!
Who knows whether we will ever know the details of Gib’s situation. I can understand the HC being held accountable for the team and any infractions. But that philosophy has to extend in a wider circle. The athletic dept is currently a mess. The AD must be accountable for the mess, as is the chancellor. At this distance there is little to inspire me to believe that either of these individuals has the needed capacity for leadership. Their actions have created a mess in UH athletics and they need also to be held accountable.
There are many ways to address situations and find solutions to situations including ones in which there are violations. The current solution with Gib strikes me as being overly reactive and out of touch with what is needed to build a program and see it through challenging times. I don’t know enough about basketball to know if Gib was the best coach. I do know many we’re excited about this team and this season. Nor do I have knowledge of what the infractions were and whether this level of intervention is appropriate. It does feel like the AD and the chancellor have used a medicine to treat an illness that might kill their patient. This feels like malpractice.
bowar…. is always ok to ‘speak’ ur piece..it is good 4 the soul…he he he..
no one can help.. cuz they will not accept help… all he does he thinks is right…
you can’t change the stripes on a mongoose…well a red n white one ne way…
remember several months ago..you were trying to work on something to do with showing games on internet ??? what happened to that ??
ne way…hard for young men to take so much ‘negatives’ into a game… n hope 4 the best…the mind does not work like that…problem is..the more you ‘erase’ the more comes up…doom n gloom.. seems to ‘give’ us all with sum words or acts of ‘wisdom’ every month…
i just can’t believe a man with a degree…n a AD… will dismiss sumone… buy calling his wife to relay that message…how callous n stupid can sumone be…
I also wish the BB players and coach Taylor the very best. In the best of circumstances coach Taylor finds his chops as a head coach and this team rallies to have a good season. This would capture the imagination and heart of the community and save the sorry okoles of UH admin.
Good game day morning everyone!
Congrats to bigwave96744!
GO RAINBOW WARRIORS!
I think details of Arnold’s situation will come out, probably within 90 days, when the NCAA releases actions (sanctions?) against the school.
The one thing I caution is that it’s sometimes never a good thing when an Upper Campus administrator “rescues” the athletic department. Noting against the administration. It’s comprised of relatively intelligent people. But this is outside Upper Campus’ expertise and experience. If things were going to be played out — no additions to coaching staff — I would have let Arnold continue to coach. If you wanted to fire him at midseason, you could do that. But what’s the point of short-staffing the team now?
like you say ST ” is outside Upper Campus’ expertise and experience” there is ur answer….upper campus has no compassion or care for athletes… n if short handed in coaches staff… so what…
maybe the ‘head coach’ now can hire gib as an assistant…huh…??
#20 … I was scratching my head when one of the 1420 broadcast guys commented that sometimes Woolsey throws a bullet when he doesn’t need to (or something like that). This is the same Woolsey that earlier in the season they criticized for not having an arm. I was never very good at Playstation football, but I feel better now knowing it was the fault of the players and not me 🙂
st. tony. That’s a good question. Does Taylor have the authority to hire interim assistants?
In this one BJ was Luca Brasi. The order to “hit” Gib and Akana came from higher up.
GAME DAY!
CAN’T WAIT!
GO BOWS GO!
WE WIN!
Woohoo!!!!
Thanks Avis and whoever donated the prize!!!
Stephen, shall I get it from you after the victory?
PlayStation football has nothing on Electric football. As a kid, I had 3 of them . It was a hit in the plantation camps. It was all in the vibration and the slant. Hopefully we will have good vibrations today.
#28. Woolsey was said to have the strongest arm of the QBs. You sure you’re not confusing what was said about HIggins?
#20. I don’t think Chow was “blaming” Woolsey as much as he was trying to explain the drops. Think he said something like the passes should have been caught. But that Woolsey hadn’t practiced that week so the rapporet between he and the receivers wasn’t as good as it should have been. That Woolsey was throwing 95 mph fastballs at close range.
if woolsey is throwing 95mph at receivers from five yards out, then he needs to fix that (and this probably should’ve been fixed over the course of two years). yeah, the receivers should catch the ball if it hits them in the hands, but the quarterback also has to set up the receiver for success as well with a good throw.
FYI: Not confirmed by UH officials yet just yet, citing 2 anonymous sources at UH Star Basketball player junior Isaac Fotu will withdraw from UH and return home and play pro ball. Thus ending his UH career. Monday is when there will be an official release from UH. Also in the coming days at least 2 more players will ask for their release as well. So just letting you all know not yet official but stay tuned as these 2 anonymous sources are credible.
#33 … I recall those comparative statements too. Maybe my memory is bad, but I recall a lot of post-loss grousing that Woolsey didn’t have a strong arm. I thought that was also an excuse for not having more deep (non-long bomb) passing plays. But I also recall feeling that his early season passes seemed to not have much zip on them. The is plenty of zip now, and his gameplay reminds me of Bryant Moniz.
moniz was a much better and much more accurate quarterback than woolsey. to be honest, i don’t think it’s woolsey himself that is deficient, but the coaching staff for not being able to develop him into anything resembling a competent division I quarterback.
Woolsey has a strong arm, but he doesn’t throw it 95 for sure. Just another example of how the coach is diverting blame. Drops go both ways. Receivers are to blame for some, QB’s for others. I guess it is nice to have some drops if your Chow so you can have things to point at. Forget that the plays that the drops occurred on likely would have not put the player in a position to do much with it anyway.
trying to be an optimist for the Rainbow Warriors, but somehow the light at the end of the tunnel is getting smaller. The light that is left are the players and the assistant coaches. There is total darkness for the head coach and his offensive play calling. They are now down to 1 more loss and no bowling for the 3rd year.
I distinctly remember Woolsey saying when Chow first arrived that he didn’t want to be pigeon holed as a running QB and that he was definitely a pocket passer. Unfortunately, I think that was just to convince the coach that he could fit. He definitely has strengths, but sitting in the pocket and going through his reads is not one of them. Hopefully they can be developed.
whitey … that light that you see at the end of the tunnel is actually the fuse to the self-destruct bomb that Chow lit three years ago. It’s actually getting closer.
ST:
agree with your #26
it is clear, IMHO, that as intelligent as certain upper campus administrator(s) are I dare question their leadership skills and problem solving skills in handling Gib’s situation
it seems that we have more common sense and leadership skills than certain highly placed administrators within UH – that is good for us, but sad for UH
For Woolsey a little bit of confidence will go a long way. Hopefully this is the game he finds some.
It would have helped, if we had a former General in the upper campus.
have this weird feeling all day long… Rainbow Warriors wins this one… don’t know by how much, but they are winnahs tonite!!! Go Bows!!!
The fact that Chow refused to bring in any good JC QBs during the offseason is the reason why the team is suffering right now.
I don’t know of any QB’s that can throw a football 95 mph. Maybe a baseball. I think Kaepernick threw the football over 60 mph and he has a pretty strong arm.
Since norm untouchable, and since gib need job, I agree with other poster maybe norm should hire gib.
Maybe make gib his oc.
Couldn’t hurt.
He he he, to borrow from Trojan.
in the long run, Arnold being fired by uh is better for his careers and uh. if uh waited until the NCAA came out and provided sanctions to the uh and Arnold, it would have been much more severe. by self-sanctioning, uh was able to mitigate some of the severity of any penalties that would have been applied by the NCAA.
it appears that Arnold’s attorney advised him that this would be the best for his interest. that is why, the attorney is not advising him to keep quiet. if any legal action were to be filed against uh or NCAA, Arnold would not be allowed to make any comments. Arnold is trying to clear his name in the media by blaming uh for firing him without cause. but he has to realize that it was his doing, by stretching the rules and not being forthright when asked about any violations. it is his fault and no one else’s. his coaching career may be over but he cannot blame anyone. if you do something that is not right, you have to be accountable for it.
Credible source at UH says Star Basketball player Isaac Fotu will withdraw from school and return home to play pro ball. Announcement will come on Monday and it will officially end his UH career.
#48
Show me the facts!
From where I sit watching the game, it is pretty obvious that Woolsey has no touch on his short passes. It seems like his adrenalin gets the better of him and zips the ball to his receivers even when he has plenty of time. I watched the FSU game and Winston was putting nice “touch” on his short passes, deftly putting the ball in their hands. The announcers were praising him for his ability to know when to put zip on the ball and when to take something off.
Is there anyway to watch the game from the homeland tonight?
47, Gib for OC. I like that. His O scores 80 per game.
There’s a game today?
46… Jamarcus Russell could throw 95… From his knees, and with his non-throwing arm — Todd McShay
— whoever said any QB could throw 95 clearly has never thrown a ball in their life. Or has the worst sense of motion in the world.
I don’t understand this whole self sanctioning thing. Why should it matter how you penalize yourself and when. The NCAA should consistently and promptly dole out penalties based on severity and not based on which conference you are a part of and more importantly how that conference might in turn hold the NCAA responsible for a penalty it did not like. NCAA = No Coconuts At All. hehe
….Marcus was a surgeon out there today.
….OK , its Da Bows turn now!
kev-1, you probably correct because the light is getting smaller, so the fuse might be ready to explode. anyway, I hope the Rainbow Warriors do secure a victory, but but but.
St Justeeeeee!
you guys might be taking this entire “95 mph” thing WAY too literally.
So can we finally start Ewaliko? Please? Laawwd Jesus please let us play him more.
Keep us poor types posted-no tv;no radio!
What the hell happen on that series? I saw 1st and 25 and he fumbles the ball? Man that’s all coaching right there. Lack of urgency!
Wow 4th stringer not bad!
how is nequan philips still a starter?
Offense stinks, Defense stinks, QB stinks, HC stinks. Too much stink will end up being another long night.
Wow, defense also getting smoked. No answers.
Every game a long TD pass. They gave the qb too much time rushing only 3, rush 4 always on 3rd and long. Ugh!
On another note, Mariota looked spot-less tonight.
looks like Chow is tryna get fired. We’re getting smoked by a 4th string QB
Bring in Beau…it won’t happen but what the heck do they have to lose since they lose anyways.
Boring.
If they lose tonight, promote Daronte as Interim and show Chow the door. This team does not know how to win and our QB play is horrible.
Fun game! If you’re on MDMA, that is.
I don’t know about Daronte. He coaches our dbs who are getting toasted every game. They play like they had one too many plate lunchs.
Listening to BC on radio. Sounds like utah st could place anyone at QB and they would still do well. Maybe UH would do better if Utah St placed their 6th string QB in the game instead because their 4th string QB is doing well. There is still a chance for that to happen. UH is 2 plays away from facing Utah st 6th string QB.
Wow! Utah st is winning on the road with their 4th string QB. Just heard from the half time show, Utah st QB passers-by rating in the 1st half is 313. I don’t know if that’s correct. But, Wow!
…QB passer rating…
I saw it too many times, expecially the last few years, we make any replacement player look like an all-american. Completes all his passes and 3 touchdowns. Also, too many missed tackles by out defense. They getting faked out. Should focus on the hips not the eyes or head. I’m not starting on the dbs.
LMFAO!!!
deeerrrrppppp…
The D has not shown up tonight, missed tackles, blown assignments, lack of adjustments (like defending the flats!!) Too bad because the Offense appeared to be getting into a rhythm (even with the continued problem of dropped passes)before the turnover for a TD in the first half.
Pretty frustrating to watch, I hope they reach down and make a comeback.
That stupid play by special team just cost us another TD. Nuts.
Yeah felt bad for Harding on that one. Glad to see Chow ripping the ST coach a new one as he should.
It’s still football season…unfortunately.
Ever wondered what it would feel like to want your opponents 4th string QB over your own team’s starter?
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UH football is pathetic. in all phases of the game.
von appen-like.
I love UH football, Norm don’t let the door hit you on your way out
A 98 yard scoring drive by Utah st. Hard to be positive with UH football. I had hoped this would be the season UH has turn around year. But, no!
It’s possible UH could go 2-11 this year. One positive to that would be at least they would double their win total from last year.
2012 season 3-9
2013 season 1-11
2014 season 2 – 11 (???) Possibly
UH just made Utah st 4th string QB look like an All-American and a possible Heisman candidate. I guess this is one way of saving money by downsizing the football program.
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Hope Dave Shoji doesn’t retire at the end of this year because UH will be looking for a football coach and basketball coach. Let’s hope they don’t have to look for a volleyball coach too. Ouch!!!
Wyoming ripping up Fresno State on the road. Nevada thumping SDSU at home. All these teams look like FBS teams. Coaching makes a big difference, just look at what Wyoming is doing tonight away from home.
Hard games to watch. Not because we’re losing. But because we haven’t seen any kind of improvement on offense, defense or special teams, in years.
And without any sign of improvement, it’s hard to have any kind of hope.
it’s not only the losing, and the lack of progression. UH football is just flat out boring to watch. i mean, my god. it’s like watching a bunch of clowns play. only they aren’t entertaining or amusing.
Culture of losing… The players are here, skill wise the team’s on par with its’ competition. The team is just stuck in a culture of losing; too many mistakes, not making the play when needed, and wrong plays at the wrong time. I was hopeful but it’s time for a change. Mahalo Coach Chow, you tried… GO BOWS!!!
Mistakes, mistakes, mistakes. At this stage it’s just terrible.
On another note, isn’t it amazing how doom and gloom the ENTIRE UH athletic department is? Football… bad. Baseball… Average to bad. Basketball… Was ok but bye-bye Gib. Men’s VB… bad. Women’s VB… bad on Shoji’s scale. Women’s soccer… Hopeful but bad. Ay yay yay… GO BOWS!!!
“Utah State is letting the clock drain.”
Yeah, because they’re bored and wanna get outta here too.
As a fan this loss hurt you could see the team crumble before your eyes its pretty safe to say that the team might not have the confidence it once had in Ikaika’s abilities and leadership…
i suppose this is about the time when the norm chow apologists go “but the players are playing their hearts out. that’s why you can’t compare norm chow to fred von appen. and, man. beemer sure is doing a good job with conditioning!”
actually, instead of making chris naeole or whatever as interrim head coach, how about this: fire everybody, promote beemer to head coach.
I blame Ben Jay for this…He wilted when he should have stood up about changing the name back to the rainbows….It’s been all down hill since he’s gotten here
92 . Softball – bad last year. Women’s basketball – good, we hope .
UH moved the ball, but can’t punch it in when in opponent’s territory. Stuck in a taro field. Pollypicador said their QB was good.
Yep I think it’s safe to say the Chow experiment has failed. BY the third year you should be seeing rays of sunshine. This is a prime example of a poorly coached team.
It almost feels like there is a conspiracy to implode UH athletics to cut the financial liablilty.
It’s time time for a new Head Coach! Don’t be blind people!
Nuff already.
Fire Chow.
USU coaching staff got their young QB ready in a week. Us? More experienced offensive coaching staff, especially QB coach, is needed. Since he is not getting in the game, Reilly probably way behind learning curve because of it.
UH defense only gave up 7 points in the 2nd half. The fumble recovery for TD by Utah St in the 2nd quarter and the roughing the kicker penalty in the 3rd quarter were killers. And the penalties, although Utah St. had a lot of penalties too.
listening to the crowd heckling norm chow was more entertaining than the game itself.
Spin it however you like – the coaches aren’t on the same page, which comes down to a lack of leadership.
Halloween came one night late., with Utah St.’s trick play for a TD. H ow come UH’s trick plays don’t work ?
Chow gotta go. Officially on that bandwagon.
We are getting worse. Last week we played a decent first half, this week a decent quarter. Regression at it’s finest.
Never Give Up. Never Ever Give Up.
This is a test of character and a major life lesson for the team (coaches and players).
I’m just surprised Chow sticks with Ikaika. That’s so weird!
It is frustrating because you see glimpses of excellent play and then it simply disappears. Mistakes that compound negative results. Islandman hit it on the head. Missed block that leads to a fumble and touchdown. Then the roughing the kicker that takes off a score were huge game changers. Mistakes.
TOTAL DARKNESS!!!!!. whatever light that was in the tunnel is now completely gone. Even the thought of a brighter 2015 season is now in total darkness. Don’t think I will be watching anymore UH football this season. It is too hard on my blood pressure. If they win another game this season, congratulations to them and hope they can win another.
breaking news in the NFL regarding Hawaii..
Adrian Peterson said that if his son has talent he will put him in the Mountain West to play against Hawaii to ensure he is never beaten again.
I’ve been saying all night during the telecast “change da quarterback.” It’s a joke. The player of the game on PPV for UH was Lataimua with 7 tackles and 2 TFL. The team looked slow against Utah St. We also sucked ‘mentally” with so many penalties. That’s a lack of discipline. Coaches were arguing with each other too. The worst was when Harding turned the punt for a supposedly touchdown, but negated by a roughing the penalty. Stupid. Hate to say it, but Nequan can’t cover the outside receivers. He was responsible of giving up 3 TDs. The USU 4th string QB looked like all world. Their defense was bend, but not break. All in all, it is what I expected although I thought the score would be a lot closer.
UH should offer Utah State’s OC the head coaching job.
Chow and his assistants at each other’s throats during the game . Not a good sign.
nobody is going to come here that is any good with the money we pay Chow
I wanted to believe Chow could turn this team around. But UH football is imploding before our very eyes. It is hard to believe the Von Appen like era would return. But three coaches after Von Appen and we are seeing Von Appen like win-loss record apearing again at UH.
Maybe UH should fire their grounds keeper for making their practice field less than ideal and call it firing without cause. That way they can show the fans they are doing something to improve. Or, the football team can practice harder and be resilient as Chow always says after every loss.
It is appears UH is following their plan to every little detail. Downsize so a 30,000 seat stadium would be more than adequate. Or better yet, eventually they can just use Ching field for their home football games. Or, UH can go back to being called the fighting deans and play McKinley so they can win 95-0 as chronicled in wikipedia. That would be really somethung to see. UH on the winning side of a 95-0 game.
Our oline fell apart. Our best center is playing tackle. Please end this experiment.
After yelling at Demo, Norm should yell at himself, since he is responsible for the offense. They moved the ball, got in the opponent’s territory in the 2nd half at least three times, but got stuck in neutral .
We got hope for two more wins ? As pointed out by someone Wyoming blasted Fresno St., New Mexico defeated UNLV . But we play Fresno St on the road.
At this point last season, the Chow apologists were saying that despite the 0 win record, the team was much improved from the 2012 team. (Sad that the point of reference was one of our worst teams… Whatever.). Well, has the team improved from last year? Is Chow and Company moving the program forward?
Doesn’t look like it. Chow says he is not a quitter (guess his negotiated buyout at UCLA in lieu of a demotion doesn’t count?). Maybe Chow should admit his failures, and negotiate a buy out to help mitigate the damage that he has caused to the program. Or will he insist on hanging on so that he can hire a few more friends and promote their respective careers?
Although the passing yardage was an improvement, I think that the recievers aren’t playing a “full” game. What I mean is they aren’t running hard to get to a ball or fighting for the ball. Most of all is their lack of blocking. At times when a running back or qb ran with the ball, they were just watching or moving too late to make a block or get in the way. Dissapointing for almost 3 years now.
Gib Arnold said that it is unfortunate that “non-leaders have been promoted to leadership positions.” Was he referring to Chow?!?! Probably not, but it works.
My take is that our HC likes Ikaik and he didnt like D. Graves. Why did our WRs leave UH? They are playing for some big schools right now! Whats up! In my book that reeks of something!! Also, why did some our lineman leave UH? Where are all the talent that supposed to be playing here and winning? Whats up!! Mililani, Punahou, Stloui, Leilehua, plus the rest of the top 4 or 5 of both divisions in HI-SCHOOL execute better than our UH. Seemingly, we have a dysfunctional group of coaches that are running around like a, you know what, fire drill.
Didn’t Bob Wagner say in an interview earlier today that the people on the committee to pick a coach don’t hav a clue because they don’t have any football experience? Or something like that. I can’t remember exactly what he said but did think at that time that it made sense. He also said he liked Stan Sheriff because he had the experience and been there before. Seems like UH needs to change more than its coach if it wants to have a winning program.
Utah State’s FOURTH string QB was throwing on time and accurate, looking like he could give Keaton hard rubs. Yet, we can’t get our anointed starter from day 1 in SPRING ball to do the same. Ikaika is no Aaron Rodgers but it is clearly evident on how a coaching staff can game plan and teach a college QB to success… USU get em, UH not so much. GO BOWS!!!
Chow’s record from 2012-2014= 6-27. McMackin’s record in 2011= 6-7 (and then gets fired). Make any sense that Chow should keep his job?
Oh and don’t buy the whole “we no more kala$, we no more kala$” excuse about buying out a contract…
There is and always will be $$$ to do whatever the higher-ups want to do. Trust me on that one…It just takes the OK to proceed.
USU’s offensive line was dominate. Their coaches had a good game plan. They kept it simple for their rookie QB. Most of the throws was to a specific receiver either WR screens or someone going deep. They didn’t ask him to read then throw. They didn’t ask him to throw over the middle.
It’s really sad that USU could prepare a true frosh QB in two weeks to execute their game plan while our coaches had since spring ball but still can’t get it done. I’ve said it before, it not our QB, it’s the coaches. It won’t make a difference which QB they use the results won’t change unless they change thie play calling and tweek the formations.
4 conference games to go in season 3 with no chance for a winning season … a total of 2 wins and 18 losses in conference play so far. The AD says it would cost $750K to buy out coach Chow’s 2 remaining years. http://hawaiiwarriorworld.com/football/ad-jay-voices-support-for-coach-chow/
This year’s ticket revenues were $500K less than projected. The financial calculus doesn’t seem overly daunting.
seems to me the men..should hold their heads up-it that was their best effort…but seems like game planning is woefully lacking….
mistakes are because ‘lack of concentration’ …sort of expected…after all the happenings up there…perfect planning by BJ…..
There is ‘zero’ leadership…from coaches n players…
very easy to sit here n criticize…but at this point… all can see major problems up there…
it started with the ‘doom n gloom’ cut corners dude from ohio state…
n he is not done yet…there is no one rallying around this team…cua
ne suggestion will be dead b-4 it starts….we lost to many boosters… n more n more will be leaving…there is no urgency up there for this season…no bowling this year n next…..
coach chow is not the man 4 the job… unfortunately he has spent to much prcious time putting out ‘fires’ that the AD HAS STARTED….NO JOKE…wonder blunder…no checks…no place to fed team.. no furniture…seems like the list is endless..all things should be on the shoulders of the AD…
I AM ALMOST 100% sure that if a vole was taken by the players by secret ballot on the confidence they have for their AD…it be pretty close to ZERO…THIS is what it is all about.. no confidence in place up there…for both coaches n AD…N ADMIN…
THE UP SIDE IS…HOPEFULLY… we can’t sink much lower…n hope there is something about to happen to turn things around…
Their should be a ‘fire sale’ tomorrow at the ‘H’ zone store…get ur stuff cheap… pretty sure there will be very long lines there on ward.. get there early folks….
At least next year, 2015, UH will get paid for losing to Ohio State. To balance the budget, they should play 5 road games at 1.5 million each against all these power 5 conference teams willing to put UH on their schedule. That shouldn’t be too hard to do.
As it is right now, UH is paying MWC teams to come to Honolulu to get an easy win and have UH rack up losses in the loss column.
Playing on the road at big name schools may not be a bad idea. That may be an idea for the AD to consider. At the very least, get paid for losing and maybe he can finally balance the athletic budget. Or, did he exhaust all his possibilities of calling all the potential business people he was to solicit to help fund UH athletics. I remember at one point BJ said he was about half way through his potential list of businesses he was calling to ask for financial support.
One of the most common excuses for Hawaii’s terrible record under Chow is that we just can’t recruit decent athletes to come play here. For anyone that believes that, look at the service academies that consistently have winning records and are regularly in bowl games (specifically Air Force and Navy). They have some of the least recruited and smallest athletes in D1 Football, all of whom know they will never have a shot at ever playing in the NFL.
Yet because of great coaching, Navy can play the #10 ranked team in the country down to the wire. Hawaii has much better athletes than any of the service academies, but because of poor coaching, terrible play calling and a system that just doesn’t work, they will consistently lose as long as Chow is head coach.
Just got home from the game…………I have been a staunch Chow supporter since day one. However tonight after 2 pass plays called in the fist half on 3rd and short instead of running the ball, which we were having success doing up to then, I have gotten off the bandwagon. Both passes were incomplete, resulting in us punting. Those 2 calls along with the 2 similar calls in the 1st half of the Colorado game have changed my opinion of the efficiency and aptitude of the coaching. IMO those calls lost both games for us. Tonight to repeat the same mistake tells me that we are not improving by learning from our past blunders. Unfortunately I have lost the baby Faith! Although I have tremendous respect for Chow as a person It is now time to plan for his departure. He had his chances. In this arena
you have to either win or show strong improvement. Tonight was void of both.
When McMackin was coach, and for Chow season #1, I was spending about $1200 per year on UH football season tickets, Na Koa membership and reserved parking. In season #3, I am spending about $300 per year for the same number of seats. We sit out in the sun for an hour or so, and the seats aren’t on the sideline, but that’s a pretty big savings. We used to go to sports bars to watch the away games that were on PPV, but the radio coverage is plenty good now. So the UH football disaster is actually saving me at least $1K/year. Wish it weren’t the case though.
@136. Beans. Take a nap and some geritol, braddah.
It will be better tomorrow morning.
19k thru turnstile.
Can it get any worse?
Thanks, norm. You da man! It’s chow time, baby!!!
How much more embarrassing can it get ??? And to have a HARD HEADED coach who can’t realize his style of play doesn’t fit the type of players he recruits…
Wow, that was bad. Seems like coaching, yes. But does anyone know what Nequan was thinking on the coverage bust at end of second half. The wind went out of the Offenseive sails right there. You gotta believe it will happen, before it does happen. Scott Harding may be one of the only believers left, in spite of called back TD punt return. I did not see anyone looking to Woolsey for leadership, or even a comment of any kind during the game.
We get out coached every week, all kinds of mistakes, bad play calling at critical times, maybe wouldn’t have changed the outcome but would definitely change a lot the fans perception of the team and especially the coach. Watch the replay and you’ll find out that this game could of been really close to the spread.
Found this …
” … June Jones: June plans to “do one more turn-around somewhere and am going to coach five-to-seven more years” per Bruce Feldman. June attempted to explain a few things to Sports Illustrated as well saying, “I just kind of had a couple of weird things happen, but that was just because I hadn’t been sleeping.”
… “
beans.. n all others that go watch the game…
me feel for you to sit there n endure that…
ha ha ha…don’t know what to call it… guess was
a game… but surely not from the spectators eyes… seems
like the coaches are not all on same page…hope the players
call a meeting tomorrow..or soon be anarchy down there
in the pits…
long ball specialists we have up there in the defense…
just not in our favor…
3 quarters no score.. not even a field goal…how bad will
it get b-4 sumone does sumthing ???
Did Chow have a post game press conference? Let’s hear what he has to say about this one. On the other hand, might be more interesting listening to the Shark vacuum infomercial.
here’s the link to the June Jones article in si.com.
It’s on page 2, of this multi subject article.
marotta is first.
Aranda is further on.
http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/10/28/college-football-playoff-marcus-mariota-inside-read?page=2&devicetype=default
that’s … Marcus Mariota
just asking… must be awfully hard for the dude that is interviewing him for after game conference n or comments…gosh.. cuz have to be nice n all.. but me thinks inside.. he must be puking mentally he he he
Being a fan and sitting in that diminishing crowd– making for a miserable weekend.
We need to make a change or give up the sport, frankly.
One sad note of many– It was not Ikaika’s fault. He is playing well. But you cannot win if the receivers cannot catch. If the receivers catch just a few more balls thrown to them, no matter all the penalties and miscues, we probably win. But we cannot put off the fact that we need to change the coach.
All these years past I was wondering why no other college ever hired coach Chow as a head coach?, could it be that any or all of these people saw something UH never did see? duh?!, I guess they were more honest and vigilant with how they actually determined what they were looking for and how they made their selection.
How can you play football while wearing clown shoes? How can you lead an athletic department while wearing a dunce cap? How can Logan, Utah be a preferred destination over Honolulu, Hawaii?
If I was Ben Jay, I would be calling JJ right now…….
19K through turnstile? Why stop there BJ. Let’s get it to 5k so UH can fit home games at Ching field on campus.
Wow again! UH made Utah state QB look like an All-American. But, BJ will wait until the end of the year to assess the outlook of UH football.
The players always play hard. Perhaps, just perhaps maybe UH could win under a new system? BJ said he will look at the football outlook at the end of the season. Hindsight is always 20/20. But the one statistic that is hard to overlook is the 6-27 win loss record under Chow era. And, if money is important to BJ, then 19K says it all. But why stop there. Let’s go for 5K.
UH won 3 FBS teams in 3 years: Army, UNLV and Wyoming. UH is safe in the MWC. They get to pay the other team some money at the same time get beat on their home field.
Dave Reardon said it best…even the hardest and most loyal fans are losing patience. I couldn’t listen anymore because they were awful. A change is needed NOW. Let’s see if our AD has some balls. Something has to be done to right the ship. This is another lost season. It’s hard to be a Hawaii fan when you have nothing to look forward to but seeing them lose time and time again. The buck needs to stop here. I have tried to be partial in my evaluation of the Chow regime over the last 3 years but I don’t see any improvement or the end of the rainbow.
Sadly, Norm Chow needs to be relieved of his duties right now!! Negotiate a departure with his son, Cameron. Put an interim coach in his place and get going on putting a list of head coaching candidates in place immediately so that recruiting won’t be a wash for 2015. A new coach will put 35,000 in the stands.
Unfortunately, I don’t believe that Ben Jay has the authority to do such a thing, unlike other athletic directors at other schools. Too many cooks in the kitchen at UH.
If this guy is interested, Beau Baldwin, Eastern Washington would be an excellent choice.
#154
I brought up his name a long time ago, either him or Duke’s HC.
If not mistaken, Baldwin was a candidate for the Nevada job when Ault retired. Some folks wanted him over Polian because of his experience in the Pistol offense.
Morning Tsaikos!
Maybe Clune should be named interim HC since he is the only coach, other than NC, with a multi year contract.
EWU always gives FBS schools a hard time every year. Nearly beat UW earlier this season. You have a head coach who gets the best out of the players, coaches them up, and gets them to play above the competition.
BTW, the late Dave Holmes was also from EWU.
Nick Rolovich for HC.
I’d rather take my chances on a young head coach with an offensive system that can score points than take my lumps with Chow, who the game has obviously passed by, with an offensive system that lacks diversity and creativity.
Norm Chow’s legacy….the man that killed the Hawaii Bowl. How much longer can the Bowl survive without Hawaii in it. I use to buy tickets whether HI was in it or not. Stopped two years ago.
Have a feeling that UH will go the way of a search committee in finding a replacement. That’s if a replacement is needed at the end of this season. There’s still BJ, the Chancellor and the $750,000 buyout that needs to be considered.
Anyone else wonder why Clune was so upset with the camera man for catching him laughing it up with some of his former players? He confronted the cameraman and actually at one point looked like he was going to grab the camera. Nothing wrong with catching up with your own players. I mean, just watch Rolo with the UH guys after games. But he got pissed. Curious.
To buy out NC will cost more than $750K since you’d have to buy out Clune too. I would think a new HC would want to bring in his own staff.
Remember when UH fired Mack? It was because the program was used to winning and the sub 500 record of Mack wasn’t tolerable. Ummmmmmmmmmm … what the hell happened to that mentality?
kev-1, it seems like it became, “Maybe UH shouldn’t have a football program!” or did you forget about that mindset on Upper Campus.
ST, your comment in today’s paper about the Warrior’s chances of a bowl game made me laugh and almost spit out my coffee!
USC was 3-2 with losses to Washington State (7-10) and Arizona (62-41) when Pat Haden pulled the plug on Kiffin. USC went on to a 9-4 regular season under their interim coach.
While, I don’t think Haden’s reference (below) to WWII prior to the firing is appropriate, it seems that UH is well beyond the point USC was at when their leadership made the decision. Loosing 35-14 to a team led by a 4th string true freshman quarterback in his first starting game seems pretty close to the Arizona State situation.
‘When I sat in Haden’s office recently and talked to him about Kiffin’s job status, he smiled and said, “Let’s just see how this year plays out, OK? I know everybody is anxious. Some people want to fire him; some people want to keep him. What’s the rush? This is not the Bataan Death March. We’re going to try to enjoy this football season.”‘
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/college-football/story/_/id/9743342/pat-haden-decision-fire-usc-head-coach-lane-kiffin-knee-jerk-reaction
I have always though coach McMackin got a raw deal, but I recall the last minute scramble to hire a new head coach. The available coaches were being hired before UH could get their process going. Since UH is cash poor, shouldn’t they be identifying candidate coaches and make offers like now?
#164 a greater lack of dollars, and now an even greater strain by the basketball situation. A lack of resources forces different decision making. Sadly, this is the situation the UH finds itself in (pay out to departing UH administrators, deferred maintenance issues, etc.) . No dollars all the way around with multiple issues.
The UH football life cycle, raw deal makes Wagner gone, lets find anyone-Von Appen vhat happened, JJ in, JJ too successful, to arrogant, too much power, JJ gone, McMackin 10 wins, get raw deal, let’s find a messiah, Chow in, back to lets find anyone. It has happened at other schools (Tommy Tubberville, et al) but it hurts when it happens at UH.
IMHO Ben Jay will never fire Chow before his contract is up so they both will will have to be fired together.
#153…”Old School Dave”…I agree…but…Chow’s son, his agent, his name is Carter not Cameron…#160 “Cocobean” and sad to say he’s killing UH football along with Ben Jay. I shudder to think what kind of recruits we’ll get this year (rejects nobody wants) and what season ticket sales will be like next year. Ben Jay is clueless when it comes to understanding Hawaii, the culture, and our love for our teams.
BJ’s job is to do what’s best for the UH athletics. The fans are sending a loud message at the gate and the fan base continues to diminish, and if BJ is not hearing this, then he should resign for his inability to lead the UH AD and inaction. Since BJ is a former OSU administrator, all he needs to ask himself is whether OSU would keep a HC with the same track record as Chow. I think the fans patience has worn out and the time for change is now. No more lame excuses that the effort is there but it does not translate into W’s. Make a change now to put an end to this futility and bring back some hope and a new direction.
Do away with a hiring committee. Running a bank, hospital, non-profit organization, or health insurance company has nothing to do with hiring a qualified and capable head football coach. If they must, get people with a football background to screen candidates: Price, Tomey, Wagner, Jones, etc.
Is Jim Tressel looking to get back into coaching? I read that he’s a college administrator, now at Youngstown State.
Sorry, it’s Carter, not Cameron Chow (thanks, 808Warriofan)
I would also get Rick Blangiardi (former UH player and DC) on the hiring committee, if they do that way. Get guys who know football.
On second thought, maybe Jim Tressel might not be a “good fit” for UH and Hawaii. Can you imagine seeing him on the sidelines dressed like this 🙂 :
http://media.cleveland.com/plain_dealer_metro/photo/jim-tressel-ohio-statejpg-a694962508e5a8cc.jpg
I think Tressel is still blackballed from coaching for one more year. Some school could still hire him but there’s a show-cause order and he would still be prohibited from coaching the postseason from what I recall.
Tressels nickname is “The Sweater”.
Mariota for Heisman.
Miano would’ve won more games than Chow.
The UH football program is like an airplane in a spin. We got their by changing to a inexperience pilot that slowed down, and then gave the plane opposite stick and rudder; changed coaches and selected an offense that didn’t match the players. The new pilot has been moving the stick and rudder around randomly, keeps trying to pull up, but the ground keeps getting closer. UH needs a pilot that knows how to recover from a spin.
I believe if Chow went to the Hawaii bowl 3 times and lost all 3 he’d get fired.
Actually, Tressel’s show-cause penalty…
“The order stands until December 19, 2016; given past precedent, it will likely have the effect of blackballing Tressel from the coaching ranks until the 2017 season. If Tressel ever coaches again during this period, he will be suspended for the first five games of the regular season, plus any conference championship game or bowl game.”
Not advocating Tressel, but would support a contract requirement that the coach wears an aloha shirt 🙂
#170. BJ knows if Chow cannot win at least 5 games there’s no way he can keep Chow and his own job. Even 5 wins is a stretch. I thought going in Chow would have to win 6 minimum to keep his job.
There’s no doubt in my mind the players will say the right thing in public but I have doubts they believe in their hearts that Chow is the right man to lead them. IMO the team psyche is so fragile they can’t overcome adversity. It’s not they’re not playing hard but they’re not playing with a collective will. A belief that as a whole team they will somehow find a way to win. They give into adversity too easily and start to play with it’s happening again mentality.
145 ai-ewe-soos: interesting article on jj. If hawaii continues to lose, the stars may be aligning for his return.
The reason I say that is jj’s m.o. is to come in when programs are down and out.
The team lacks discipline and mental toughness. False starts, holding, illegal block in the back, roughing the passer or the kicker, etc. Guys dropping passes, QB making bad decisions and not being accurate enough or throwing catchable passes, missed tackles. It was a badly played game all night. You have to pin it at the top. Gotta make a change. I think we have some good assistant coaches, but you don’t know if they will be retained if Chow goes. That’s the nature of the business, new Head Coach brings in their own people.
We will lose big at Colorado State like 45-10, we will lose at San Jose around 31-17, we might win or lose against UNLV at home, and we will be lose the last game on the road at Fresno State around 35-14. 2-11 is not cutting it. I’m sorry. Coach Chow is a nice man, a very nice man and a good coach. But, it’s not working out.
Mr. Jay and those that make the decisions at Manoa need to see that and think about the fans that go to the games and many more fans that are truly UH fans, but don’t go to the game because they are disgusted. The sooner the better, because of recruiting.
Oneseason: Or Palaka shirts.
http://www.midweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/MW-Hogue-102914-Wagner.jpg
He also may be willing to work at a salary we can afford to pay and he loves Hawaii, its fans, and the players. The big question is can he work with our Administration.
Watching the replay on OC16; just wanted to see the “confrontation” between Norm and Demo after that bonehead roughing the kicker play…
#174 “Old School Dave”…great idea about Blangiardi…he’s a great guy. Another thing…you would think that after working w/ USU for 4 yrs, Kevin Clune would know what their offense is like & would have a game plan in place. More so w/ their 4th team QB in. Seems like the defense was clueless and I lost count of how many times UH could not bring down the USU ball carrier after the initial contact. IF we did have a game plan in place it comes down to coaching.
There’s a reason JJ moved back, I don’t think he wants to live anywhere else and he has a connection with the players here.
Inyoface … actually, JJ only spent a week in Hawaii. He has been in Oregon since.
Just more of my 2 cents (I’ll shut up after this).
Lets get a young, energetic, enthusiastic, up and coming coach who can put together a good, experienced coaching staff that can teach, coach up, and instill a winning attitude in the players. UH needs someone who will motivate and put some fire back into the players. The stoic disconnected coaching approach doesn’t cut it, IMHO with college players. Right now, the player play hard, but when the tide turns against them it’s “Oh no, here we go again.”
Ben Jay’s email address … athdir@hawaii.edu … I’ve already sent an email demanding that he fire Norm. His secretary will probably just hit the delete button but what the heck…I made my voice heard. All of us who want Norm out should do the same.
So Joey the captain gathers everybody around as tells the boys…”Hey, win or lose, we booze!”
When’s the new post? Ding, ding, ding
Have Joey redshirt so he can play next year for a new coach.
Give the reins to Beau now, so he can compete with Wittek and others next year.
I believe that most of the top JUCO players (esp. QBs, RBs, WRs, DBs) have committed to top schools for 2015. Need to get JUCO transfers into school in January to get them acclimated to D-I ball.
picture of ‘coach’ …his back facing the fans…oops facing an almost empty stadium…
feel sorry for the seniors last game for them soon…but no leadership on that class it seems like…they seem to work hard.. n play hard… but the ‘heart’ n mentality just not seem to be there…for sum reason..or a multitude of reasons…
few years from now maybe they maybe here on this blog….laughing of what they had to endure under ‘coach’…
but no one seems to care about that ‘bullying’ that went on up there with the 3 starters…n the derogatory comment to ‘coach’ in front of players…n no one wants to verify that or not….it it is true…
“Hoops star Fotu likely to leave UH” …
“Sources say the 6-8 forward is looking to join a pro team”
By Brian McInnis
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Nov 02, 2014
http://www.staradvertiser.com/sportspremium/sportsnewspremium/20141102__Hoops_star_Fotu_likely_to_leave_UH.html?id=281216341
OK, OK, I’m awake. (It’s really difficult for an old man like myself to get up early the day after a night game.)
Here’s today’s post: http://hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=25755