Blue period

The kids don’t get it.

Oh, sure, they’ve heard the stories and sorta-sorta understand why parents have that lost-in-the-past look whenever Garrett Gabriel’s name is mentioned.


But it’s hard to imagine the intensity of the passion — and frustration for UH for many, many years — whenever BYU came to town. “Beat BYU” signs were as common as “Live Aloha” bumper stickers. Former UH basketball player David Hallums famously described a hoops victory over the Cougars as being “better than statehood.”

It is appropriate, for an older generation, that the Warriors’ season depends on the outcome of this week’s game against BYU. If the Warriors win, they advance to the Hawaii Bowl, a postseason game created after a UH victory over BYU.

Left tackle Brett Leonard said he had to Google stories to learn about the history between the schools. The past is now the Warriors’ future.


  1. Wes'side Warrior November 27, 2011 8:11 am

    Bluer than blue!

  2. Wes'side Warrior November 27, 2011 8:12 am

    Then we need to flood the airwaves with UH-BYU tales!

    Morning, everyone!

    Hope you all have a great day!

    Heal up, Warriors!!!

  3. wafan November 27, 2011 8:15 am

    Good morning, again, Warriors!

  4. LizKauai (iPad) November 27, 2011 8:15 am

    The fans in my section are ENGAGED. When I asked around if anyone hear a report on Graves, NO ONE was listening to the radio. Too busy cheering !!!


  5. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 8:15 am


    Quoting Michael Johnson.

    That’s a historical reference.

  6. wafan November 27, 2011 8:16 am

    Yeah, what gmahoney said.

    Definitely not someone you want upset — as tough as the nuns!

  7. PowderPuff November 27, 2011 8:18 am

    Good morning, Tsaikos! As I just posted on the previous thread, I am ready to bust out my “BEAT BYU” towel with the old-school RAINBOW logo. Oh yeah, baybee! I gave the towel a trial run last year during the men’s volleyball matches. Can’t wait…how appropriate….last game of the season, Senior Night, must win to get into the bowl game, and on ESPN.

  8. LizKauai (iPad) November 27, 2011 8:18 am

    In Waimea we say Go Big Blue for our Menehune.

    In Hawaii we say B why who? GO WARRIORS!

  9. Wes'side Warrior November 27, 2011 8:19 am

    Loud and clear, GmaHoney!!!! Go get ’em!!!

  10. wafan November 27, 2011 8:19 am

    If we are expecting UH to do any more advertising than they already do not . . .

    Seriously, what do they not understand? They need to take a basic marketing class or ask the upper classmen majoring in marketing for some ideas then actually follow through.

  11. wafan November 27, 2011 8:21 am

    Pomai . . .

    Thank you . . . very much (my best Lex Brodie voice) for running the guess the score for each game.

  12. wafan November 27, 2011 8:22 am

    Congratulations Sean on the correct guess!

    You won nothing save the contest. Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!

  13. Bulla November 27, 2011 8:25 am


  14. Wes'side Warrior November 27, 2011 8:29 am

    I really don’t care what anyone says about last night’s game. Play calling was finally not as predictable as usual. They mixed some stuff in and we actually could feel the energy the boyz were playing with, especially when Graves was in.

    When we went to hurry up near the end of the first half, we were actually flowing a bit. Too bad that INT happened, but there were positives to take from the drive.

    Defense had a bear of a time with Tulane’s bruising backs. Not sure if it was a combination of rain with second effort, but it sure looked tough trying to stop those RB’s.

    Special Teams were up and down. Some good stops, a blocked FG, and then one of their RB’s sneaks through for a long return.

    Still, though, I love when our kids win!

    Winning, plus BYU… should help to bring extra fans to the stadium, I hope.

    Let’s get that WIN next week, boyz!

    Go, Warriors!!!

  15. Da Punchbowl Kid November 27, 2011 8:31 am

    Go Warriors!!!

    Cage the Cougars!!!

  16. Da Punchbowl Kid November 27, 2011 8:32 am

    Any word on Miah’s or David’s condition, Mr. Tsai?

  17. Slugger November 27, 2011 8:36 am

    Good morning, gang!


  18. kev-1 November 27, 2011 8:37 am

    I guess sarcasm is not something gmahoney gets in regards to the “product” comment. But that’s okay.

  19. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 8:39 am

    OK, just caught this.

    No swearing, not even in abbreviated form.

  20. kev-1 November 27, 2011 8:40 am

    got it! I was only repeating. WON’T do that going forward.

  21. kev-1 November 27, 2011 8:42 am

    For BYU we may need to sacrifice a reciever and put in a blocking tightend to help the oline. Not that I envision that happening, but if Tulane’s front four was able to penetrate like that, I can only imagine what BYU is going to do.

  22. Kevin November 27, 2011 8:47 am

    Boots to asses.

    Thats all there is to it.

  23. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 8:49 am

    No problem. But then I had to edit GMaHoney, and I don’t like to tell grandmas to use more appropriate language.

  24. Dan-O November 27, 2011 8:50 am

    Feels like the good ol’ days of yesteryear….a meaningful game against BYU!!!!

  25. LizKauai (iPad) November 27, 2011 8:52 am

    Lokahi and Aloha!

    Go Warriors!

  26. kev-1 November 27, 2011 8:53 am

    sorry ST, I wasn’t being that serious, just razzing.

  27. Kevin November 27, 2011 8:53 am


    I FULLY expect some fights in the stands between the usual suspects… the 30 and 40 year olds.

    I miss the days of guys in their 50’s getting into it with other guys in their 50’s in the SOUTH end zone. Good entertainment.

    BUt at least this time, UH and/or stadium authority WON’T have the students to blame… THEY’VE ALREADY DONE THAT TO THEM YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPERS…. (SARCASM)

  28. kev-1 November 27, 2011 8:55 am

    We need to find a way to get some young blood in the stands for the BYU game. The die hards who remember the BYWHO chants and have those signs might not be able to bring the kind of energy that we need.

    JUS JOKE!!!!!! This is a perfect opportunity for some of the old school fans to “school” some of the young blood on how to root for a team and how to sour a teams chances with boos and whoos.

  29. LizKauai (iPad) November 27, 2011 8:56 am

    …re gmahoney… She understands sarcasm… Believe me! Bwahahaha!

    Time to look for 1000year old eggs and head home.

    Looking forward to next Saturday already!

    Healing Energy to all..

    Go Warriors!

  30. Eric November 27, 2011 8:59 am

    What about swearing in other languages?

  31. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 9:00 am

    For years and years, I’ve heard a lot of people say: “I was a UH fan even during the vonAppen years …”

    Well, in a few years, they can say they were at the Tulane game.

    Point is, it’s an entertainment business. If you want to attend a game, go, and have fun. If you don’t want to go, don’t go. But it seems like a lot of people (reporters included) are more concerned about attendance. If you go to a movie, are you more concerned with what’s on the screen or who’s in the seats?

    I thought last night’s game was entertaining.

  32. niho mano November 27, 2011 9:01 am

    Go Warriors, Beat BYU!

  33. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:02 am



    At first I was kind of like WTF with the students, but damn, I’d be pissed too if I was being blamed for something of that magnitude.

    They already get handcuffed for a lot of things they try to do at the SSC to have some fun when some DUMB OLD FOGIES are busy getting offended left and right at every little movement and calling up arena ushers to silence them or kick them out.

    The students getting blamed for the fight and having their section “blocked off” for their access is the one consistent story I keep hearing and not just on blogs and message boards.

  34. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:03 am

    What The Frick.

    ST, I meant What the frick. 😎

  35. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:06 am

    Last night was entertaining.

    Saw a guy in his 40’s or late 30’s getting carried out LITERALLY CARRIED OUT by HPD.

    Best part was he wasn’t resisting and looked to be having the time of his life. He had one of those big foam “shaka” things in one hand and waving it. Got a nice ovation from the North end zone.

    Lots of people on their phones recording the incident so should be on YouTube anytime now.

  36. Old Diver November 27, 2011 9:06 am

    Anybody else notice after the umpteenth time this season the defensive call came in late and we were penalized for 12 men on the field Coach Mack yelling in his headset at the upstairs guy? You could see he was feeling the pressure.

  37. gmahoney November 27, 2011 9:08 am

    My apologies, ST. Won’t happen again.

  38. Old Diver November 27, 2011 9:11 am

    You could also see Mack talking very stearnly to the offensive guy. The pace of the play calling picked up after that.

  39. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:13 am

    Stephen Tsai:

    November 27th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    For years and years, I’ve heard a lot of people say: “I was a UH fan even during the vonAppen years …”

    I forgot who said it, but if people took a tally of people that claimed they were season ticket holders during the Von Appen times, I think they would have returned to the attendance glory days of Tomey.

  40. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 27, 2011 9:16 am


    I don’t think the student section was off limits last night.

    Reason I say that is ushers at the entrance to QQ were still stationed there holding bunches of those wristbands that they put on UH students after checking student IDs.

    Then again, maybe the ushers weren’t fully aware haha.

  41. Hilo-Warrior November 27, 2011 9:17 am

    Ok…. Whats the story with Graves? Did he really get a concussion or did he just get yanked for a couple of bad drives.

  42. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:21 am

    Hmmmm… meant to post this last night.

    For SOME:

    When Moniz ran due to protection breaking down he wasn’t going thru his progressions.


    When Graves ran due to protection breaking down he was “clutch” and athletic.

    Anyone that shares this particular bias care to try to spin it into something that makes sense?

    C’mon people, you cannot shine KAKA.

  43. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:22 am

    If you’re biased JUST say so. No be shame as to why either.

  44. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 27, 2011 9:31 am

    Weather surely played its fair share for the dismal attendance count. Our record and also the opponent had a lot to do with it too.

    I am pretty sure next week we are going to see a much better crowd between 34,000-38,000.

    Should be a tough but good game. BYU is no Tulane.

    @ Ole Miss 14-13 W

    @ Texas 17-16 L

    Utah 54-10 L

    UCF 24-17 W

    Utah State 27-24 W

    SJSU 29-16 W

    @ Oregon State 38-28 W

    Idaho State 56-3 W

    TCU 38-28 L

    Idaho 42-7 W

    NMSU 42-7 W


    @ Hawaii (L) =P

  45. kev-1 November 27, 2011 9:31 am

    I’m biased.

  46. Old Diver November 27, 2011 9:31 am

    From yesterday #367


    Two starters from last year told my son their position coach didn’t know what he was doing. No reason was given for why they said that.

  47. kev-1 November 27, 2011 9:32 am

    I think the both ran for the same reasons. Lack of protection and receivers not getting separation. That said, I’m pretty sure Moniz was better (more experienced) with completing his reads than Graves is.

  48. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:34 am


    9,000 BYU fans.

    23,000 for UH.

    REMEMBER the 2:30pm start time…. get those people that will say AUWE to hot at that time.

  49. kev-1 November 27, 2011 9:34 am

    I need to get a better cable package. All there is on my TV is the Jets/Bills. Not a bad game, but not satisfying my football craving.

  50. kev-1 November 27, 2011 9:35 am

    kevin . . . too hot? see, it must be the weather. What if we could get it to rain a little to cool it down? Or would that make it worse? hahaha

  51. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:36 am


    November 27th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    I think the both ran for the same reasons.

    Most LEVEL-headed people would think that. I think any person off the street would have been able to point out that simple FACT.

    Some are content with the o line not being an issue THEN and being an issue only last night though… Lord knows I cannot speak for those umm… football “observant” fans.

  52. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 27, 2011 9:37 am



    I wouldn’t be surprised if BYU-Hawaii has some promotion going on giving away free tickets to students, offering shuttles, tailgates etc.

  53. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 9:39 am

    Hey, hey, hey.

    We do not speak ill of the Jets here.

  54. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:39 am


    BYU get’s a bye.. never mind. Damnit.

  55. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 9:40 am

    I’ve been a Jets fan for more than 40 years.

    And, yes, I was a fan during the Rich Kotite years. Oh, that was painful. But not as painful as some of their first-round picks.

  56. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:42 am


    Need the people that thought it was accurate to blame the students for the fight back then to get on their hands and knees and APOLOGIZE and grovel like little girls.

    They should also come prepared with knee pads and a “donut” to sit on afterwards.

    Can’t stand blame when people don’t deserve it. Too many times on a regular basis I hear stupid things come out of people’s mouth as if it was known fact and then you find out it was said in assumption. Then they turn around and say “well, I didn’t know”, UMMM WELL, WHY DID YOU SAY IT LIKE YOU DID YOU MORON??????????????????????????

  57. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 9:42 am

    I think the unofficial phrase is “dinged up.”

    It was not a performance change, although that’s what’s being said.

  58. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 27, 2011 9:42 am


    What is the deal with Tulane staff wearing aloha shirts? Is there an outfitter here that offers incoming teams free shirts to wear or is it something that Tulane (and some other schools in the past) do on their own?

    I remember ND in the Hawaii Bowl wearing aloha shirts too.

  59. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 9:45 am

    I haven’t been paying attention, but who exactly blamed the students for the fights.

    And, if so, who cares?

    I’ve never been opposed to selling beer. I’ve just been opposed to serving beer to angry people.

  60. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:47 am


    Opposing basketball and volleyball coaches will sometimes wear aloha wear at the arena.

    What always is a sight you have to get used to is seeing our basketball coaches in more “mainland”-type outfits like a sports jacket and a tie when they are on road games.

  61. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 9:47 am

    Team that are here for a while, and have good hosts, often wear aloha shirts. (Tulane got here Tuesday.)

    I suppose UH should have countered by wearing mardi gras beads.

  62. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 9:48 am

    I think Hawaii lawyers should be allowed to wear aloha shirts, at least on Fridays.

    Of course, I’m still trying to figure out why English attorneys wear those powdered wigs.

  63. Kevin November 27, 2011 9:49 am

    Stephen Tsai:

    November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    I haven’t been paying attention, but who exactly blamed the students for the fights.

    The who can only be assumed, but after a while it’s the one consistent story I’ve heard and seems to stick the most.

    From talking to the people in front of us in our season seats, to a ACTUAL stadium usher in the north end zone, to the beer vendors at the north end zone concourse, to some people that sit above the student section, and finally to some students I just HAD to ask. The same story of them getting blamed was the first thing out of their mouths.

  64. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 27, 2011 9:51 am

    I remember The Animals talking about how even trainers and some other auxiliary staff having to wear suit/ties at games.

    Come to Hawaii and they get to relax just a bit.

    Seeing the opponents in Aloha attire is a nice touch…even if some of the colors are a bit hideous due to their school colors. It also makes them realize that they aren’t in Kansas anymore.

  65. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 27, 2011 9:53 am


    I think some Hawaii attorneys would look better in powdered wigs.

    And no, I am not talking about one of our distinguished bloggers here. 😛

  66. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 9:57 am

    If students aren’t going to games because they were blamed for fights, then that means their absence is not a reflection of the team’s play.

    If people are impressed with Gary Anderson’s coaching, then they can’t get upset if UH lost to Utah State.

    Two sides to every debate. Can’t be on both sides.

  67. kev-1 November 27, 2011 10:00 am

    ST . . . not a dis agains the Jets. Just don’t like when FOX doesn’t show a game. There are enough games for FOX and CBS to televise double headers every weekend.

  68. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 10:01 am

    I’ve never understood the tie.

    A long time ago, somebody decided a piece of cloth was a good look.

    And, for some, it’s required wear.

    Then again, whoever thought knickers and stirrups would survive more than a century in baseball.

  69. kev-1 November 27, 2011 10:02 am

    If I were still a UH student, I would prefer the reputation of “trouble maker” at the stadium. Do you think those crazies at Bulldog stadium in Fresno care what people think of their behavior at games?

    Thick skin. Gotta have it. Be more creative with how, when, and where you underage drink, and show up at the game. Fights and all.

  70. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 10:03 am

    I think the options are lessened this week because of the Thanksgiving games.

    This might be the Jets’ last televised Sunday game if Sanchez keeps throwing into triple coverage.

  71. kev-1 November 27, 2011 10:05 am

    maybe if the problem is young fans interfering with the enjoyment of older fans, their should be a student section, a general seating section, and an elderly section.

    My cousin got kicked out of a game for cheering to emphatically. The people behind him took issue, and said something to him. He said something in response to upset the older couple and they called security to have him removed. Banned for a year because he ran his mouth after that to security. Took his picture and posted it and all.

  72. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 10:05 am

    I find it hard to believe an accusation, if there were one, would stop students.

    I’m going with the theory students would rather party on a Saturday night.

    Or maybe they went to Esme’s crafts expo.

  73. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 10:12 am

    Vaughn Meatoga acknowledged the criticism was disheartening. But he said that all changed en route to the stadium, when fans waved and offered support.

    Aaron Brown said the players play for themselves, their families and “anyone who wants to support us.”

  74. PolyMom November 27, 2011 10:24 am

    @Stephen Tsai–you say football is like the entertainment biz. Well yes, being married to a Producer who makes feature films let me say this…it is ALL about filling the seats in the theaters. You can not spend millions of dollars of OTHER people’s money and have empty seats and not be able to pay your investors back. Same goes with football. If the stands are not full, it is bad for morale, and there is no money being generated for the team and school. And think of it this way, they are being paid with tax dollars. So we are all investors in the project. So we need to see return to our investment. It’s business baby!!!!! And that is a fact!

    Regarding alcohol when USC stopped selling beer in the Coliseum, folks just filled their flasks with hard liquor. Now they are more drunk then with the beer. Heck the last time we went to a USC game they had to carry folks from their seats as they were so wasted. I just do not see how that is FUN! I do not drink so I just do not get how folks find getting hammered and not being in control

  75. Eric November 27, 2011 10:27 am

    Colt’s passing efficiency record of 186 is in jeopardy. QB’s from Wisconsin, Baylor & Houston above him. Baylor QB is hurt – if he doesn’t play in the bowl game, he’ll break the record.

  76. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 27, 2011 10:33 am

    The option run for a TD was beautifully executed.

    That faked hand off to Iosefa by Graves was also a thing of beauty. With my binoculars I didn’t even realize Graves had the ball and was off running.

  77. SteveM November 27, 2011 10:34 am

    Good morning everyone!

    If the students associate their seats at the stadium with brawls, maybe they are concerned about getting caught in one? Not likely, but….

  78. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 10:37 am

    The football team isn’t being paid with taxpayers’ money; it’s being paid with money from ticket buyers, sponsors, Occeanic, etc.

    I think a lot of people have a financial interest in the team, but not everybody has one.

  79. Willie November 27, 2011 10:45 am

    Garrett Gabriel’s not lost with me, what he did in that BYU game was remarkable, he gave up his body. He’s one of the top 3 all time UH QB’s for me in almost 40 years as a Bow/Warrior fan. The other 2 are Michael Carter and Colt.

    Just my 2 cents, the lack of oversight/strategic decisions in the Utah State game, helped start & propel Gary Anderson to his coaching success run this year. One of the worst games I had to sit and watch in almost 40 years.

  80. PolyMom November 27, 2011 10:45 am

    What does that mean? I know they ate not being PAID. But the school is funded with tax payees money. Does all the scholarships come from private funds just from football? Please explain, maybe I do not have a clue.

    And for next years kick off at USC we decided we were hiring police protection for the game to attend with us. So we do not have to be spit on, have booze thrown on us. Have any hassles with the fans for wearing a Hawaii shirt. Just FYI they can not wait to kick our butts. USC is a real bunch of thugs.

    But could you explain to me as it seems I must be mistaken then since all other Public Institutions use tax dollars. How does UH do it then?

  81. papajoe2 November 27, 2011 10:46 am

    #76 Iwwthm, which is why I cannot understand UH not using more play action passes.

  82. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 10:47 am

    It does seem a little suspect when the entire student section is empty… as if it were a planned boycott… but nothing’s been published nor has there been any reported boycott announcement on popular networking media like Facebook,, and such…

  83. SteveM November 27, 2011 10:48 am


    November 27th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    kevin . . . too hot? see, it must be the weather. What if we could get it to rain a little to cool it down? Or would that make it worse? hahaha

    Kev-1 — now, there’s a dilemma if you have a conscience… and seats in the mauka side.

    But then, the game is free on national television too. So with the early start time too, actual attendance numbers will be a matter of “old-time” side note rather than a measure of fan interest.

    I will go to the game because I was there in the stands through the Tomey-Wagner era of BYU rivalry. Coach Lavell Edwards is gone so it won’t be the quite the same for me. Intersting that we’ll have Tomey on our sidelines. Is Edwards still around and maybe making the trip? 😕

  84. el burro sabio November 27, 2011 10:54 am


    Not all things at UH are paid for with taxpayers money. Some are paid for with fees collected from the users/customers. No like, no need pay, except for the mandatory student fees.

  85. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 10:56 am

    Most of what the athletic department receives from Upper Campus is used to maintain the Lower Campus. That toilet paper in the public restroom next to the softball stadium? Comes out of the UH athletic budget. Salaries, scholarshp stipends and, yes, soap in the showers, all come from sports-generated revenue, donations and sponsorships. There’s a reason Donovan has a weight-of-the-world look.

  86. cavewarrior November 27, 2011 11:00 am

    Anyone know why the Warrior Qbs and receivers did not have a bench to sit on last night? the benches were all stacked against the railings. Rolo was holding class around the gatorade table.

  87. Da Punchbowl Kid November 27, 2011 11:00 am

    Is that the sun I see peeking out from behind the clouds in the Meadowlands?

  88. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 11:02 am

    I suppose, to some small degree, everyone is a shareholder in UH athletics.

    But that’s also like being pulled over by a police officer and saying: “You know, I pay your salary.”

  89. izzy November 27, 2011 11:03 am

    73.Stephen Tsai:

    November 27th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Vaughn Meatoga acknowledged the criticism was disheartening. But he said that all changed en route to the stadium, when fans waved and offered support.

    Aaron Brown said the players play for themselves, their families and “anyone who wants to support us.”

    This is sad. . .

    The team doesn’t need D1 coaches, it needs D1 support.

  90. Bwhaha November 27, 2011 11:05 am

    #89 – Izzy – lucky we don’t need D1 coaches, I think some of them are NOT D1 worthy.

  91. Da Punchbowl Kid November 27, 2011 11:06 am

    Rolo kicked everybody off the benches and told them to stand. That’s what the announcers said.

    Vaughn Meatoga should never feel bad about any aspect of the team or his career. He has been the model for Warrior excellence, from his High School commitment to the Warriors to his hard work and tremendous play all through his years at UH. He’s one of my favorite all time Warriors. I hope we see him at the next level.

  92. izzy November 27, 2011 11:07 am

    As example: #90

  93. tommui November 27, 2011 11:08 am

    T #62 & 68

    In 1660, in celebration of its hard-fought victory over the Ottoman Empire, a crack regiment from Croatia visited Paris. There, the soldiers were presented as glorious heroes to Louis XIV, a monarch well known for his eye toward personal adornment. It so happened that the officers of this regiment were wearing brightly colored handkerchiefs fashioned of silk around their necks. These neck cloths struck the fancy of the king, and he soon made them an insignia of royalty as he created a regiment of Royal Cravattes.

    It is a traditional thing – in England, lots of ex-service types wear “Regimental” stripe ties denoting their regiments or their military service. Red, white and blue stripes, for example, would show service in the Royal Air Force.

    Wigs are actually worn by barristers and judges in the higher courts- those lawyers in England that practice only in courts – as opposed to American lawyers who can do paperwork AND appear in court. It is an old tradition and shows status- sort of like people displaying a phi beta kappa key.

  94. cavewarrior November 27, 2011 11:10 am

    just a perception/observation…seems like when a qb has full comprehension of the 4 wide offense, ie. Colt and Moniz, there was a tendency to hold on to the ball longer, rather than throwing the quick pass (under 2 sec). Were they going through 2nd, 3rd, or 4th reads first then picking one to throw to? Whereas the less experienced qbs tend to make the quick throw more often (first read?).

  95. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 11:11 am

    The point Vaughn was making was that fans’ support is helpful.

    And Brown’s point was the team repesents those who want to be represented by them.

  96. Willie November 27, 2011 11:20 am

    Vaughn & Kaniela’s play this year has been great, cornerstone of the D! A lot of times I just watch them occupying double teams and holding the point. Hats off to them, my nomination for Warrior defensive players of the year. Both playing through a lot of owies, true Warriors and they got my support and respect.

  97. Da Punchbowl Kid November 27, 2011 11:21 am

    I understand those points Stephen, I think its important for Vaughn in particular to know how deeply appreciated he is. We love all the Warrior’s, but you gotta admit, Vaughn has been exceptional.

  98. Da Punchbowl Kid November 27, 2011 11:22 am

    96- +1!

  99. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 11:22 am

    I wonder if there have been any arrests for underage drinking? And/or “contributing to the delinquency of a minor” for offering an alcoholic beverage to a younger friend.

  100. Pomai November 27, 2011 11:26 am

    Was thinking about what is being said about marketing for the BYwhoo game, an took a look at the online edition of Ka Leo and there is nothing about Warrior football, now that is sad that even the school newspaper won’t report on the team. ST maybe you need to go back to your hunting grounds and stir them up?

  101. cavewarrior November 27, 2011 11:27 am

    #91 DPK…Thanks….Good for Rolo. Keeps their heads in the game and gets intensity up.

  102. Da Punchbowl Kid November 27, 2011 11:29 am

    I think that was Rolo’s intentions cavewarrior. Nice to see so many receivers making catches again.

  103. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 11:37 am

    I love Ka Leo. Back in the day, we didn’t have an adviser, so we were on our own. I had a nice little staff. One of our columnists was Larry Beil. You could tell he was bound for greatness.

  104. kev-1 November 27, 2011 11:37 am

    Not trying to stir anything up, I’m simple curious. Does anyone know what the relationship between Rolo and Mack is like? Often times during the game, Mack will approach Rolo and say something, and Rolo sometimes seems to almost roll his eyes or just look unaffected. I could be just assuming it is something when it really isn’t. Anyone else notice something similar?

  105. kev-1 November 27, 2011 11:38 am

    I meant simply curious. I guess I’m simple too though.

  106. Pomai November 27, 2011 11:43 am

    Now this is football

  107. Willie November 27, 2011 11:45 am

    kev-1 you are not alone in your curiosity. Late in the Fresno State game during a timeout, Rolo had finished with Graves, he was going to leave then Mac brought him back for about another 15 seconds, the whole time Rolo was not even involved. Think trust has to given to your offensive coordinator, especially a QB taught by JJ.

  108. Pomai November 27, 2011 11:47 am

    One more

  109. RedZone November 27, 2011 11:52 am

    Way to go Warriors. One to go.

  110. Pomai November 27, 2011 11:57 am

    Who is going to be the next Mighty Mouse

  111. Kaimuki Kid November 27, 2011 12:05 pm

    Was at last night’s gane, the weather wasn’t to bad, got a little wet and it was a tsukosh nippy but not uncomfortable in the South Endzone Red Section. We Won! and that’s all that matters…Beat BYU Go Warriors!

  112. SteveM November 27, 2011 12:07 pm

    RE: my #83

    BYU’s LaVell Edwards as of last year…

  113. PolyMom November 27, 2011 12:08 pm

    @ el burro I know the students were upset when they raised the student athletic fee. But I wonder why there is no school pride or relationship with the other departments? Heck where I went to college we had no football team, so we would go to SDSU to have our football fix. And the students there were so nice to the kids from UCSD. We had so much fun with them!

    Why was Lumpkin shooting film? We have a film school, that has students who would want to do it. There seems to be from my observation a real disconnect between the football program and the students and other departments.

  114. Kaimuki Kid November 27, 2011 12:10 pm

    I’ll be watching the video of 1989 and 1990 BYU game tonight and tomorrow night to get prepared for this Saturday and then I’ll watch the 2001 BYU game on Friday and warm up my yelling voice…Thanks Herb for the DVD’s… Go Warriors!

  115. PolyMom November 27, 2011 12:13 pm

    Looks like slick Rick from UCLA is a goner. Thank God you can only take so many lickins like last night against USC. Hope we can get some pride back to Westwood for them. Sad to see UCLA represent the South of PAC 12 only to get hammered by Oregon. And I think Oregon will beat them by more then 50…just sayin.

  116. d1shima November 27, 2011 12:22 pm

    Ron Zook

  117. d1shima November 27, 2011 12:23 pm

    …sorry, thought I was tossing into a hat

  118. Ralph November 27, 2011 12:27 pm

    ESPNU 219 to broadcast the women’s volleyball selections today at 1 p.m. HST

  119. Maleko808 November 27, 2011 12:30 pm

    I was just about to upload the same tube that pomai posted. I was 10yrs old watching this game. Was awesome.

  120. d1shima November 27, 2011 12:30 pm

    Memphis fired its HC.


    ….Eric Price

  121. Maleko808 November 27, 2011 12:31 pm

    I Was talking bout the byu/UH 89 game.

  122. papajoe2 November 27, 2011 12:40 pm

    Pomai, Thanks for the vids. Man, that was some emotion. I hope the current players see what rivalary is all about. If the Warriors play with inspiration like those days, we can beat anybody.

  123. Bugaz November 27, 2011 12:54 pm

    When are the Wahine finding out their business for the next couple weeks hopefully? Good luck ladies!!! Hope to be cheering them on in the regionals at the Stan at least!

  124. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 12:55 pm

    … tossing 1 more hat …

    Turner Gill, fired by Kansas

  125. Bugaz November 27, 2011 12:56 pm

    Oops thanks. To #118

  126. papajoe2 November 27, 2011 12:58 pm

    Hawaii hosting but seeded #10??? 1 lost in the top 10 of RPI. Maybe be justified, but look at the teams rated above them That’a alright as long as we hosting.

  127. papajoe2 November 27, 2011 12:58 pm

    Volleyball in my previous post.

  128. d1shima November 27, 2011 12:59 pm

    No toss hat. Bumbai all da names insai fall out…

  129. Bleed Green and White November 27, 2011 1:00 pm

    All this talk about tax payer money / we as investors got me to thinkin’…..(now that’s dangerous).

    If we are all investors, then we’d have a say in who to fire and who to hire wouldn’t we….?

    With that being said, we DON’T, so we AREN’T directly. Our voices are only heard thru support, buying tickets, par per view etc., so if we want our voices heard, either keep going of stop buying, right?

    To all the kids, young man and / or women that put a jersey on representing UH Athletics, I respect each and every one of them!!!!!

  130. Bugaz November 27, 2011 1:00 pm

    So we hosting rounds 1 and 2 also? Awesome if true!!!

  131. Ralph November 27, 2011 1:01 pm

    Hawaii is a 10th seed, will host in rounds 1 and 2, and Honolulu will host a regional. In our regional bracket is USC, the lower bracket in the same region is Nebraska. USC won the Pac 12, Nebraska the Big 10 (12), and Hawaii the WAC all in the same regional-Honolulu. Juice.

  132. Stretch November 27, 2011 1:05 pm

    Congrats to the Wahine for the 10th seed. It’s going to be a tough Region but at least we are hosting!! We need to make the most of the home court advantage

  133. Ralph November 27, 2011 1:06 pm

    in Round one, Na Wahine will face N. Colorado, win it, they face off with the winner of the Colorado State/Oregon winner. Then on to the Honolulu Regional.

  134. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 1:07 pm

    … tossing 1 more hat, again …

    UAB fired football coach Neil Callaway.

    .. thass 4 already, and it’s only the 1st Sunday after ….

  135. Ralph November 27, 2011 1:08 pm

    add another champ in our region, WCC champ Pepperdine is also in the Honolulu region, but they are in the lower bracket opposite Nebraska.

  136. Ralph November 27, 2011 1:09 pm

    if the seedings hold out, in Honolulu will be USC #7, Hawaii #10, Nebraska #2 and Pepperdine #15. numbers are the NCAA seeding.

  137. Ralph November 27, 2011 1:11 pm

    last AVCA coaches poll, Nov 21, USC #1, Nebraska #2 and Hawaii #3. all placed by the NCAA in the same regional- Honolulu.

  138. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 1:11 pm

    … next – slick rick(the weasel), and dennis erickson ?

  139. wafan November 27, 2011 1:11 pm

    Huzzah, Wahine!

    Go get ’em!!!

  140. papajoe2 November 27, 2011 1:12 pm

    If UH makes it to the regionals, will any of the other teams stay over to play in the regionals?

  141. PowderPuff November 27, 2011 1:12 pm

    Stretch, you might have to rethink your “I don’t yell at the ladies” strategy at SSC. At least bring your megaphone.

    Uh oh…what’s happening with the Eagles – the supposed “Dream Team.”

  142. Ralph November 27, 2011 1:16 pm

    It’s time to buy wvb tickets to the regional and rounds 1 and 2.

  143. d1shima November 27, 2011 1:19 pm


    Nothing happened with the Eagles this season…only a dream! It’s a team sport.

  144. Ralph November 27, 2011 1:22 pm

    It’s Raiders Time! Oakland leads the Bears 18-10 into the 4th quarter.

  145. Da Punchbowl Kid November 27, 2011 1:23 pm

    #141 –

    Ya know that Sweety is a Philly Girl right? It’s not safe to go into the living room right now.

  146. Shoko November 27, 2011 1:32 pm

    Look who just popped up on the Coach’s Hot Seat website.

    No idea why Paul Wulff is still with WSU.

  147. PowderPuff November 27, 2011 1:34 pm

    d1, you’re right. I guess maybe it’s because I am not a fan of the Pats and wish the Eagles would give them a harder time. Oh man, DPK…they look kinda bad. Ewwww boy…one more TD…ugly!

  148. Shoko November 27, 2011 1:35 pm

    I like this quote.

    “Winning is like shaving – you do it every day or you wind up looking like a bum.” Jack Kemp

  149. kev-1 November 27, 2011 1:39 pm

    How come when coaches gets fired, people throw them into the hat to be our new HC? Just what we need . . . guys that are fired for being losers at other schools.

  150. Old Diver November 27, 2011 1:39 pm

    My son attends UH, he has not heard about any student boycott. He the problem is that most students don’t care about the football team. Some of the reasons are 1. they don’t know the players 2. there is no buzz on campus about the game 3. No Colt Brennen type player 4. Losing record.

  151. papajoe2 November 27, 2011 1:45 pm

    I am not a Boise lover but I cheer for the small guy. BSU was demoted in the polls today. They are ranked 9th. Houston is at #7. What does it take to be in the BSC bowl game? Arkansas, with 2 losses is 6th I beleive.

  152. d1shima November 27, 2011 1:50 pm

    Eric Price wasn’t a HC

  153. jm2375 November 27, 2011 1:52 pm

    Good afternoon Tsaikos!

    Congrats to the Warriors on a satisfying win last night.

    Will try to be at the Stanley Thursday and Friday.

    Out of curiosity, was 2003 the last time UH hosted a regional? In other words, are the only times UH gets to host 1st and 2nd round games is when they host a regional???????!!!!!!!

  154. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 2:13 pm

    re – throwin hat in ring …

    Memphis fired head coach Larry Porter on Sunday morning , thass who.

  155. Wes'side Warrior November 27, 2011 2:15 pm

    ST… was wondering how many might’ve remembered that song. The melody is still solid today, but it’s such a sad, reflective kind of song. Takes me back to a simpler time of my life. Kinda like ‘Reminiscing’ by the Little River Band.

  156. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 2:18 pm


    There were some nice songs in the 70s.

  157. Shoko November 27, 2011 2:19 pm

    Whats interesting is the that Coach Pete has a 92,2% win percentage with the Broncos. Of course, those stats are based on playing schools in the WAC and now the MWC. If Boise State went to the BE, I don’t think his winning percentage would drop that much. If he wants to challenge his coaching prowess, he needs to coach a team in the SEC, B12 or Pac-12.

  158. el burro sabio November 27, 2011 2:19 pm

    ai-eee-soos has a point. For those of you who really want to get rid of Mack, those are the kinds of coaches that are going to be interested in the job, the kind who lost at other schools.

  159. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 2:23 pm

    Maybe there is something to be said about marketing.

    To me, UH football is an every-day thing. But my family has no idea who UH is playing every week, and neither do many of neighbors (well, except for the A-Houses).

    There are only 13 guaranteed UH football games each year. Enjoy ’em now.

  160. WarriorNY November 27, 2011 2:25 pm



    I am a season ticket holder for the jets and was

    at the game today… Damn that game was a fun one…. You ever see them live?

  161. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 2:26 pm

    ST: Glad you’re here. Who were the recruits at the game.

    from the football forum “kapakahi” recognized: OT Matthew Sparks (Punahou) and OG McKenzie Togafau (McKinley)…as well as Class of 2013 prospect DE Titus Failauga (Pac-5).

    Who were some of the others?

  162. Ralph November 27, 2011 2:33 pm

    NOTICE TO ALL UH STUDENTS: Coach Shoji has offered to purchase 100 student tickets to round one of the NCAA VB matches in Honolulu, the game is this Friday, and tickets are first come, first serve, starting in ticket line at 9 a.m. tomorrow, Monday.

  163. al November 27, 2011 2:47 pm

    so today i see #95 vaughn meatoga. he is walking gingerly and with a limp. (yikes)

    i say “great game big guy.” he winces, i ask, “‘i hope its not the knee?”

    “nope”, he says, “i’m just sore all over today.”

    just another reminder that these guys lay it all on the line every saturday.

  164. Ralph November 27, 2011 2:48 pm

    Oakland Wins! Hoist the Jolly Roger, Raiders are on a roll.

  165. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 2:52 pm

    for those of you still interested in stuff li’ dis:

    BYU -8

    Ducks -31

  166. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 3:03 pm

    looks like a done deal, per CNNSI:

    TEMPE, Ariz. (AP) — Dennis Erickson is out as Arizona State coach, a university official told The Associated Press, after another season in which the results didn’t meet the expectations for the Sun Devils.

    The official spoke on the condition of anonymity on Sunday because details of Erickson’s departure have not been finalized.

  167. Ben A. Lurker November 27, 2011 3:06 pm


    Carolina Kick Returns


    K. Pilares 2 100 50.0 76 0


  168. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 3:44 pm

    To all the Los Angeles area fans


    For those of you in the Los Angeles area, specifically Gardena, my friends and I have reserved Happa restaurant in the New Gardena Hotel from 4pm to 8pm for the Saturday, Dec 3rd game between BYU and Hawaii.

    Early RSVP is $20, and $25 at the door gets you food and pupu’s for the evening. No Host for the beverages. Come hang out with other Hawaii Warrior fans cheering on the team for a chance to play in the Hawaii Bowl!

    You can RSVP here by PMing me, or by calling me or Nolan as listed on the flier attached below.

    Mahalo & GO WARRIORS!!! – Rich

  169. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 3:49 pm


    I agree that much of the onus should be on marketing rather than the football coach and team’s win/loss record. But putting the Onus on the team and coaches leaves the door ajar for replacement and helps the higher ups keep their jobs.

    Maybe they should do commercials on the Korean station… show a bunch of Asian Warriors in combat… suddenly they start to retreat… in the subtitles one soldier asks.. “Where is everyone running to?” … The other responds… “Where’ve you been? Warrior Football starts soon!” Both run to the hills…

  170. LizKauai (iPad) November 27, 2011 3:54 pm

    Met another lurker on the way home today.

    Window seat guy.

    It’s cool when someone says “I read Tsai’s Blog… Are you (insert name here)?

    And then they say something about how sad it is to see the pollution of the negative fans (my words, not his exact words).

    Sad to me that even after a rousing WIN, people still choose to look at the dark side.

    On the brighter side, i am home with Momo’s special chive kimchee, 1000 year old eggs and other Chinatown goodies. Time to warm up the juuk. Mahalo Mei Ling and all our wonderful Tsai-kos for a great game atmosphere!


  171. Old School Dave November 27, 2011 3:54 pm

    How BYU and the folks in Utah are viewing the Hawaii game:

  172. kev-1 November 27, 2011 3:55 pm

    Ralph #162 . . . Is that true? If so, Coach Mack or maybe even JD should do the same for the BYU game. But leave em at the gate for the first 100 to show. 101 beyond would have already made the trip to the stadium and will probably just go buy a ticket.

    Seriously think they should offer some sort of reduced price for this weeks game. But what about revenue? Well, it is the last game of the season and if you want to make a bowl game, it would help to have as many in the stands as possible. Pack the stands, increase your chances. Screw the revenue for one game. And you could definitey reduce the price a little and still make out. The more the merrier.

  173. kev-1 November 27, 2011 3:57 pm

    No dark side for me this week Liz (I’m an occasional drifter). Just hope. I don’t want the season to end yet. I want people to show up at the game. I want to feel like the old rivalry is back.

    Go warriors! By the way . . . wow, you famous eh?

  174. 808Bowler November 27, 2011 4:03 pm

    Should be intresting to see if graves start this game. Herd he was kind of woozy. If not best luck to austin. The shirts tulane coaches was wearing I think was from my company. The print looked familiar. lets pack the stadium this game. Cheer on a win or give a salute to our seniors.

  175. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 4:03 pm

    Looks like BYU is projected as a 6.5-7 point favorite… That’s not too bad… Warriors got a good chance if the Oline can hold and Paredes heals up enough to stuff the middle.

  176. 808Bowler November 27, 2011 4:06 pm

    Man wat was up with our defense this past game? They had a hard time tackling darkwa.

  177. 808Bowler November 27, 2011 4:10 pm

    Gurantee the stanley going be sold out thursday night for the wahine volleyball match!!!!

    Go WAHINE!!!!!!!

  178. Old School Dave November 27, 2011 4:14 pm

    School spirit has always been in short supply on the UH Manoa campus. Take a walk on campus and you see nothing in the way of banners or promotions for the football team. Classic example was when the Wahine Softball team was made it to the NCAAs – nothing on campus in the way of support or banners. Protesting the student fee is bogus – they spend more on booze, controlled substances, or the newest computer/phone gadget in a heartbeat.

  179. d1shima November 27, 2011 4:18 pm

    School spirit has always been in short supply on the UH Manoa campus.

    You ever remember Da Gov in front of Hemenway back in the day rallying for the football team?

    And yet we still elected him…


  180. Old School Dave November 27, 2011 4:25 pm

    d1shima: Didn’t the students have a bonfire at one pep rally back in the late 70s or early 80s that kinda got out of hand and someone called HFD.

    I believe that when Leroy Lutu was being recruited by UH and UW back in 1980, he was invited to dinner at Washington Place by Gov Ariyoshi in order to try to sway him to stay home.

    That’s what I call spirit… 🙂

  181. d1shima November 27, 2011 4:28 pm

    Dunno about the bonfire…more likely was some Nixon effigy dolls.

    Did Lutu understand what the Gov was saying?

    Just askin’ cuz he did end up Leavin’ on a Jet Plane. 😈

  182. d1shima November 27, 2011 4:30 pm

    IIRC Pride. has some recollections about that recruiting skirmish. 😉

  183. Old School Dave November 27, 2011 4:33 pm

    I think that Leroy (great athlete from Pac-5/University High) wanted to stay home and play for UH, but his dad had other ideas. Brother Frank (Iolani) also was a Husky, if memory serves me correctly.

    Gov George: Quiet and Effective 🙂

  184. AlaWai November 27, 2011 4:57 pm

    Someone blogged that our Defense hasn’t been the same the past few games. Answer: The 12th man has been missing. No crowd = no noise = opposing team can audible plays and hear the snap count. Sound disruption can cause serious communications problems for the O. Many of the faithfull “Fans” at the game are “sit on their hand” types attending to be entertained. Big time football is a participation support where the crowd noise, standing up and losing ones voice from yelling is joyful and not an annoyance. Home losses this year can be attributed to your lack of focus and effort. You want to point a finger? Three of them are pointing at you. The Warriors need you! Get out to help Hawaii beat BYU.

  185. wafan November 27, 2011 5:00 pm

    I guess the not Under Armour cleats got run out of town. Or at least from the blog.

  186. wafan November 27, 2011 5:00 pm

    AlaWai . . .


  187. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 5:03 pm

    “Ferd” was saying last night that a new coach would boost ticket sales, sort of how McMackin’s hiring provided a boost.

    But I think that was different circumstances. UH was coming off the 2007 season, so there was a great deal of optimism.

    For what UH probably wants to pay — $500,000 to $600,000 with incentives — I just can’t see UH landing a high-profile coach.

    I don’t think UH fans would necessarily pay to see a new coach; they just want success on the field. They have shown they will pay to watch winning football.

  188. wafan November 27, 2011 5:04 pm

    Hope the SSC is sold out for the WVB games. Definitely need cheeks in the seats!

  189. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 5:05 pm


    Actually, one of the problems was the 12th man was on the field.

    But I see your point.

    It’s a chicken/egg deal. Do the fans boost the team, or does the team boost the fans?

  190. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 5:07 pm

    What I don’t get about spam is why it can’t combine conversation with advertising.

    Just a mention of Graves or Austin would get people engaged, and then maybe look at the link.

    But just posting gibberish is cause for instant deletion.

  191. Old Diver November 27, 2011 5:08 pm

    Every WAC school has trouble getting the student body out to the football games. Nevada in it’s final home game last week had an announced attendance of a little over 11,000. I believe last year Boise State’s announced average was 1,000 less than capacity.

  192. wafan November 27, 2011 5:12 pm

    Deleting gibberish?

    Geez. That would disqualify a lot of comments. Mine in particular. HA!

  193. 808Bowler November 27, 2011 5:15 pm

    Ya I agree. I lose my voice all the time at the games we even yell to the defense if its a run or pass play.

  194. d1shima November 27, 2011 5:19 pm

    But just posting gibberish is cause for instant deletion.


  195. 808Bowler November 27, 2011 5:20 pm

    We even have fun talking to the opposing team. the fresno st game I was talking to the goseling the kicker. Heb was warming up and u told him he missed. He looks at me and say never. His next fg try he misses. He never talked or looked at me again. Was funny.

  196. AlaWai November 27, 2011 5:23 pm

    Mr. Tsai: I saw the 12 man penalty from behind the team. When you run a multi-set defense and try to shuttle situation players timing gets tight. I’ve seen teams from other schools and the NFL do the same thing. The player getting off the fields was running hard and had one foot out. The ref was very picky in this case and flagged Hawai`i. Note: It didn’t happen again. FYI, I see the “egg” as a work in progress with the Coaches and team working harder than I’ve ever seen. The “chicken” is the establishment, the fans, the school the general public. The games are so commercialized with gimmicks, on screen insurance ads and long TV breaks, its becoming easier to see that the ADD’s stay away. UH should study game film from the 1st Hawaii victory over BYU to see what made things work. In those days everyone one had there arms extended offering home cooked goodies,snacks and “aloha” to eachother rather than everyone nowadays with their hands open with the gimme $$$ attitude. The stadiums price of selling wares has gotten so high that old standby’s have been forced to pull out. No malassadas, no cinnabons, more booze concessions and only UnderArmor. Its a “C’mon man!” experience.

  197. Old Diver November 27, 2011 5:26 pm



    Exactly. Is Ferd under the impression the coach suits up? Football is about recruiting and developing those recruits. That takes time. I believe Mack’s recruiting efforts over the past three years will begin to pay dividends next year. Because Mack’s first recruiting year due to his late hire was not ideal, next year will in reality be his fourth complete year. Are we forgetting that it takes between four to five years to get a team where you want it?

  198. Kevin November 27, 2011 5:31 pm


    Dont have to worry about Rainbow Wahine Volleyball.

  199. Stephen Tsai November 27, 2011 5:32 pm

    I remember one year San Jose State tried to make dorm students get their meals inside the stadium.

    Hey, for a lot of us, football is a great part of the college experience. But college is a time, also, when students are experiencing freedom for the first time, and there are a lot of other social activities on a Saturday night.

  200. Old Diver November 27, 2011 5:35 pm

    Next year the Warrior head coach will benefit from a young offensive line with experience, two second year experienced running backs, a junior QB with game experience and young receivers with experience. This didn’t happen by accident. This was part of the recruiting strategy developed by Coach Mack. The team will be better next year. This is not the time to disrupt the rebuilding process. IMHO.

  201. Old Diver November 27, 2011 5:38 pm

    Defense should still be solid as long as recruiting efforts can fill the holes. And the special teams will have a special teams coach with one year under his belt.

  202. Annoddah Dave November 27, 2011 5:50 pm

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:

    Wot happened? Coach Mack actually stayed on the field for the alma mater and thanked the cheer leaders and the band! Was it cause we won??? Or did he get the word that fans noted his absence after the game ended in losses.

  203. Stretch November 27, 2011 5:50 pm

    I also don’t think that a “high-profile” coach will come to UH for that kind of money BUT a coach with a passion to prove himself will. There has to be a lot of coaches out there that are just looking for an opportunity. With the “experienced” coaches we have on staff, there is no drive for them to prove themselves. Younger coaches like Rolo, Arranda, Smith and Tuioti still have a career to mold. I personally don’t mind any coach using UH as a stepping stone to another job. If they do get hired by another school, it shows that they must have done something right while here. They would have laid the right foundation for the team to succeed.

  204. AlaWai November 27, 2011 5:51 pm

    Thanks Old Diver. Here is my Christmas List:

    -Victory over byu.

    -Hawaii`i Bowl W for the Warriors.

    -A new contract for Coach Mac at 800K

    -A big raise for Rolo, Dave and Tony

    -Good health and conditioning for the team

    -3 & 4 star signings from Hawai`i schools

    -Transfer home from mainland school players.

    -A retooled attitude toward a fan friendly Aloha Stadium

    Merry Christmas Tsaikos!

  205. Stretch November 27, 2011 5:56 pm

    A-Dave – after the Fresno St game, Mack said that he was “escorted” off the field prior to the Alma Mater and the team followed him. Sad explanation, but what other answer would you expect from Mack??

  206. RedZone November 27, 2011 6:13 pm

    I am with Alawai. Go Warriors.

    Keep battling.

  207. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 6:17 pm

    Ever get the feeling that JD want MM out for some reason?

    I would hate to see what UH puts into the football program shrink in any way. I think we are still getting a great deal for the the total amount invested in the football program. Mack may not deserve 1.1 million, but the entire staff and program deserves a minimum, what is currently being invested in the program. More would be better.

    I agree with Old Diver that Mack should be allowed to coach a team composed entirely of his own recruits who are ready to take the field. Only then will we really know if his vision for UH’s Warrior football program is what’s best for the program. Boise invested heavily in their program from the beginning. Much more in percentage of revenues than UH and look where they are now. That should of, would of, could of been us had those who make these decisions paid attention.

  208. slenzi November 27, 2011 6:17 pm

    Thanks Stretch! Stay positive my bruddah! Good things will come if we all pull together.

  209. Kaimuki Kid November 27, 2011 6:39 pm

    Everyone should encourage at two people to go to the game on Saturday,me I have talking to.all Aussies staying at the hotel my company has a travel desk at. I have been getting an average of 2 couples to go every home game this year. I just talk up about Aussies that we have on the team. A lot of them are familiar with Scott Harding because of Aussie rules football. It’s not that hard to put some okoles in the seats. I’m doing my part

  210. gmahoney November 27, 2011 6:45 pm

    KK, what a great idea! All 20,000 season ticket holders encourage just 1 other person to go, we’d have 40,000 butts in the seats. Why wait for deals or marketing. A nice Saturday football game, just me and 40,000 or so of my closest friends!

  211. RedZone November 27, 2011 6:54 pm

    Time for BB. I get to watch Riley Wallace go tsaiko against Tulsa.

  212. gaucho November 27, 2011 6:58 pm

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  213. anklebiters November 27, 2011 7:10 pm


    Is UH interested in Erickson? We’ve been clamoring for his dismissal for two years now as well as our AD…he’s 64 years old, went 31-30 over five years here at ASU, leading the Sun Devils to one bowl game, the Holiday in 2007, with a 10-3 record. If he resigns and is hired by the NFL or another NCAA Div I team, he’s to pay $750K. If he’s fired, which we will find out tomorrow officially, he’s to be paid half of his annual salary, $750K…his contract runs till January of 2013. They should have a good team next season again, just like this year was suppose to be… the Warriors were suppose to have this year…too many injuries, penalties, critical coaching snafus, etc…

    I’d be interested in Houston’s coach, Kevin Sumlin as a replacement for Erickson…he’s been there for four years and we’ve got a 6’8″ QB who can play…hope Santa’s listening 😉

  214. Old Diver November 27, 2011 7:20 pm

    Erickson? I like the job he did with Idaho. NOT!

  215. anklebiters November 27, 2011 7:21 pm


    ASU is a commuter school and requires all incoming freshmen to dorm…so every home game, there are thousands of kids in the stadium, just a walk away from their dorm..the light rail runs through the campus so the students housed in downtown PHX can use it to attend games. After the game, Mill Avenue is just down the street…plenty of places where you don’t have to be 21 to enter.

  216. A-House November 27, 2011 7:23 pm

    UH football:

    15,000 empyt seats x $0 = $0.

    15,000 filled seats x $10 = $150,000.

    UH gets a nearly sold out stadium and the concessions/parking make $$$!

    Question for the Stadium Authority: why food so expensive? Is your goal not to make visiting your facility a great experence for all fans; not $$$ rolling into your coffers?

    I know that Jim D has begun his plan to lower prices at Murakami Stadium and Stan Sheriff Center both of which are controlled by UH and to bring better food, like plate lunches, into both facilities.

    Let’s work together – there is only one Hawaii in the entire world!!!

  217. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 7:34 pm

    re: # 213.


    November 27th, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    NO – UH better NOT be interested in Erickson – I was just throwing out the names of the

    coaches who were just fired today, Sunday, one day after the season ended.

    Erickson, according to CNN SI is a done deal – a goner.

    Yeah, and the AZ coach was fired DURING the season.

    I agree with you on Houston’s coach, Kevin Sumlin – looks like a keeper.

  218. papajoe2 November 27, 2011 7:36 pm

    #216 A-House, I like it!

  219. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 7:41 pm

    # 216 – forward that to JD, MaNamara, Carl Clapp, Hinshaw, the SID (if we have one).

    It might turn on a light bulb in somebody’s mind.

  220. 808Bowler November 27, 2011 7:49 pm

    Ya we should follow the boise state mold. Give mack more time and invest in the program. he will have a experience skill positions next year. Now lets hope we don’t losr recruits over this bad allegations. Can’t wait for byu.

  221. AlaWai November 27, 2011 7:51 pm

    Stadium Authority = Lights may be on, but nobody home!

  222. ai-eee-soos November 27, 2011 7:55 pm

    # 221 — ROGER THAT !!!

  223. d1shima November 27, 2011 8:06 pm

    The Stadium has less than a dozen opportunities to make as much money as it can to pay for maintaining itself.

  224. Hiflyer November 27, 2011 8:17 pm

    d1 – no forget the swap meet every week.

  225. Dan-O November 27, 2011 8:44 pm

    Student support has NEVER materialized at UH sporting events. For this last game, I say move the band back to the mauka sidelines and kick the phantom students to the end zone.

    A huge empty section in the orange sidelines wouldn’t look good on national TV.

  226. Slugger November 27, 2011 8:50 pm

    Sounds like a good idea, Dan-O.

  227. SteveM November 27, 2011 8:54 pm

    Kekoa and I were swapping stories of the huge family tailgates we used to have in the 1980’s. Oh yeah…his were much bigger 🙂 Then we started to note the changes over the years that caused them to diminish and mostly stop altogether….and how it affected attendance.

    I noted that Aloha stadium is not a significant home field advantage for the Warriors. I argued that the stadium is more like a neutral site. Why? They play there only 7-8 times a year. Do they practice there every day? Do they know the wind strength and patterns in different spots of the field? Are the lights at night a familiar backdrop? Is their locker room a familiar place they can walk around blindfolded?

    While UH doesn’t pay rent for the 7-8 time per year use, the stadium is an independent business where UH only has the privilege of playing there and maybe picking up some big $ extra parking fees.

    Bottom line is that the stadium is not a real inviting place for fans. Until a lot of changes happen and attitudes change, I wouldn’t expect to fill the stadium soon.

  228. chawan_cut November 27, 2011 9:06 pm

    eh, powderpuff, you wanna lend me that towel of yours???

  229. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 9:38 pm


    That’s a pretty good assessment.

    The only thing that makes Aloha Stadium “home” are the fans for the game and travel mileage under 25…. about the same distance to the airport from Manoa.

    Are the artificial turfs in Aloha and Ching, the same?

  230. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 9:46 pm

    I remember when I used to drop my dad off at the over ramp near Aiea Elementary school before each game, I would see the police out in force writing tickets to stick on those cars that were parked on the medial strips. Wonder how many of those unlucky fans decided to go the PPV route instead? or KKEA radio? …

  231. Ralph November 27, 2011 10:06 pm

    Isn’t Erickson on coach Mac’s resume under experience with……Miami, etc, maybe 49’ers.

  232. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 10:07 pm

    Here’s a link to BYU’s season’s stats..

    What stats bother you guys the most? They look pretty balanced on paper.

  233. Ralph November 27, 2011 10:12 pm

    Ray Lewis and the rest of the ‘Canes helped build coach Mac’s resume, he was DC in ’93 and ’94, and ’94 was Ray Lewis’s last season before turning pro.

  234. oldie November 27, 2011 10:22 pm

    KK #114 – You’re welcome.

    Made it out to the stadium last night, but conditions were very miserable.

    Does this say anything about the lack of enthusiasm this season? Very few requests for copies of games.

  235. Ralph November 27, 2011 10:30 pm

    so it was coach Mac’s decision to pull Graves in the 3rd quarter, no mention of a concussion and a need to side with caution to keep him out of the game or did I miss part of his explanation of the qb switch.

  236. kev-1 November 27, 2011 10:33 pm

    No mention of the word concussion, just banged up and erratic. He did say that Graves is the starter going into BYU.

    I still don’t recall erratic play. But I won’t second guess the decision to make the switch, as it ended up paying off.

  237. al November 27, 2011 10:43 pm

    oldie…how you doing?

    btw, i got that 1980 dvd of the rainbows baseball game with miami to eric tokunaga.

    now, he was wondering if you a copy of the game that followed on june 4, 1980 against arizona. this was the second to the last game.

    lemme know.


  238. al November 27, 2011 10:46 pm

    graves took a helmet to helmet hit that the refs swallowed their whistle on. he kept shaking his head on at least two times prior to the next snap.

    graves admitted later that the hit caused him some blurred vision. probably the reason why he was pulled because his play was tentative after that hit.

  239. al November 27, 2011 10:49 pm

    if you ask any doctor, he’d tell you that any blow to the head at full speed whether helmet ot helmet or not will result in some degree of concussion where and when the brain is jarred from its normal resting place.

    of course the coach doesn’t want to mention the “c” word since it will force him to sit the player out for two days at least.

  240. oldie November 27, 2011 10:52 pm


    Sorry, I don’t have that game. I do have the WAC championship game against BYU that same year. Haven’t transferred it to DVD yet. Let me know if you want a copy.

  241. madeinhawaii November 27, 2011 10:52 pm

    Graves said that he had blurry vision after taking a few hard licks during the game and when he approached the coaches to ask a question during the third quarter McMackin and Rolovich sensed it was time to make a change.

    “He came over and he asked a question, and I asked Rolo, basically, ‘Maybe we should make a change?’ And Rolo felt the same way because we know that Shane can run the offense and we have complete confidence in him too…I don’t remember the question, it just wasn’t him.

    “I don’t think he got knocked out or anything, I think he was just sort of flustered a little bit and they were blitzing. He did a heck of a job and it was just time.”

  242. Kaimuki Kid November 27, 2011 10:53 pm


    Thanks again for those golden memories and for coming to the game on Saturday.

    I wish everyone would wait to the end of the season on discussion about the changing of the guard.

    I believe the student athletes and the coaches deserve our support. If I’m not mistaken we still have

    a game to go and God willing maybe 2. As you all know the kids and their parents read this blog. Glve them some support and encouragement. Tell a friend and relatives to make this game. Make it an early Christmas present, let’s fill the stadium! Go Warriors!!!

  243. al November 27, 2011 11:05 pm

    oldie…send me a copy of that one, too.


  244. LizKauai (iPad) November 27, 2011 11:13 pm

    Congrats to Shane Austin, Coach Mack Show Player of the Game.

    Get well soo, all healing Warriors!

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