Away they went

Isaac Fotu will be missed.

Not just because of his skills as a basketball player, but because he was a marquee player in a sport that needs marquee players. His hairstyle drew attention not seen since Colt Brennan’s dreadlocks. He loved the sport so much that during a bye weekend last season, he played point guard (at half-speed) in an intramural 3-on-3 tournament. His departure, under the circumstances, is understandable.

Here are some other early departures in UH history:

> Reggie Carter was the rare point guard who was an effective rebounder. He played a season at UH and, after the program was set to go on probation, he transferred to St. John’s to finish his NCAA career. He had a brief NBA career with his hometown Knicks, who drafted him in the second round. He was an assistant principal at Mineola High School when he died of a heart attack at age 42.

> George Ornellas was one of the state’s best high school players in the 1990s. He showed his athleticism with a somersault touchdown as a UH slotback. And then mid-way through the 1995 season, he quit. In announcing his departure, he told reporters: “It has nothing to do with the coaches or the players or anything else. It’s me. I’m just tired, man. I have no fun out there, no drive. I’ve kind of lost the desire to play.”

> Quarterback Stump Godfrey transferred to UH from New Mexico in 2011, threw lasers as the scout quarterback while redshirting, went home to Texas a couple of times, then disappeared for good at the end of the semester.


  1. tom November 4, 2014 8:06 am


  2. A-House November 4, 2014 8:10 am

    good morning Tom and ST!!

    cloudy skies are starting to clear with an optimism and open heart of good things to come

  3. A-House November 4, 2014 8:13 am

    I made a donation to UH and got a pre-printed thank you card from the Chancellor’s office – great, but it was addressed to the wrong person!!!!!!!

    I would have preferred a handwritten “thank you” from the coach – much more meaningful and appreciated!

  4. tom November 4, 2014 8:13 am

    I remember Reggie Carter.

    The UH basketball staff was terminated in one fashion or the other. The players (Reggie, George Lett, Henry Hollingsworth) would have stayed if one or two of the asst. coaches were retained but the Administration decided to clean house before NCAA made its ruling.

    History repeating itself?

  5. tom November 4, 2014 8:18 am

    And a bright today and tomorrows to A-House and his ohana.
    ST – hope all is well.

    One of our Tsaiko members is running for office today.

    GO VOTE – whether for him or someone else – but VOTE! You always can bitch about the elected officials – but don’t bitch if you didn’t vote!

  6. A-House November 4, 2014 8:18 am

    knowing how awful UH is playing in 2014 – wonder why ESPNU decided to telecast, nationwide, the Colorado St game?

    perhaps, it was to make Colorado St look good and sway the voters to put them into the top 25?

    it will be a disaster for UH and may sway recruits to another school or, as the California OL commit said, “we {his high school} are awful this year, but I like the way Hawaii never gave up”

    is there a 3rd side to this coin? hey, maybe sway those sitting on the fence to commit or turn away?

  7. Bryson November 4, 2014 8:18 am

    Watching the news last night I noticed something when they were showing clips of Marcus Mariota…Going back to the discussion of McKenzie Milton both he and Mariota have a very similar play style from the way they run the read option to their throwing motions both are highly accurate wether it be throwing short or long…Has anyone else noticed this comparison?

  8. ArcumFortis November 4, 2014 8:18 am

    Yes I will miss seein Isaac play this year. It is a pity we could not find a solution to whatever (still mysterious) problems the BB team faced. In the wake of losing Isaac perhaps I can allow myself one last rant about UH admin.

    It seems to me the UH admin does not understand competition. It’s as if they believe that the competition is somehow confined to the playing field and hardwood and does not exist in administrative meeting rooms and halls of power. In this I think they are misguided and ill suited to have any leadership responsibility with the athletic department. SEC schools (for instance) know this. They have won in the boardrooms and that winning translates seamlessly to the playing field. We on other don’t get it or if we do we are inept.

    When a promising team like our current men’s BB team is in trouble we need to find solutions. We need to compete to win. I am not suggesting unethical, immoral or illegal acts. Just the rising up of a ferocity that supports the possbility that we will preserve every ounce of winning (and do so legally and ethically).

    Instead, like cub scouts in short pants, our admin has earned their merit badges. But they have lost much for the fans and the state and in the process seem insipid. There will not be many Isaac’s at UH. We need to have the spine to stand up for them. If his infractions are eventually exposed as being egregious then I will be wrong and apologetic. But for now I am just angry.

  9. tom November 4, 2014 8:19 am

    A-House – at least you got a note!

  10. A-House November 4, 2014 8:19 am

    yes! yes! VOTE and exercise your right as a US citizen.

  11. el burro sabio November 4, 2014 8:21 am

    My recollection is that Petino was banned by the NCAA. Mr. Mui Esq please confirm who the NCAA banned from being associated with UH.

  12. Bryson November 4, 2014 8:22 am

    I can see us losing out on Tommy Woo and Christian Cronk from Oceanside. They were interviewed about their commitment to Hawai’i and the way they answered the question seemed like they were waiting on something bigger I’ll try and find the video

  13. chawan_cut November 4, 2014 8:25 am

    other notables
    Sarah Chase
    Kelli Cordray
    Carl English
    Yuval Katz

  14. BigWave96744 November 4, 2014 8:26 am

    What about speedy WR Andrew Pearman?

  15. Bryson November 4, 2014 8:26 am

    Tommy Woo
    SanDiegoPrepsTV– Tommy Woo:

  16. Bryson November 4, 2014 8:28 am

    SanDiegoPrepsTV– Christian Cronk:

  17. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 8:30 am

    me did not know mufi was a tsaiko…???

  18. chawan_cut November 4, 2014 8:38 am

    Clay Stanley
    Kolten Wong
    Stephen Wright
    Levon Largusa

  19. Stephen Tsai November 4, 2014 8:39 am

    Big Wave:
    Wow. Forgot about Andrew Pearman.
    Hey, where were you on Saturday? I was looking for you on the sideline. By the way, Bobbie Omoto doesn’t know your last name.

  20. chawan_cut November 4, 2014 8:46 am

    Brittany Hewitt
    Mike Edwards
    Jeff Sydner

  21. BigWave96744 November 4, 2014 8:47 am

    ST, I’ll let Bobbie know at the UNLV game. I usually talk with her before kickoff.

    BTW, I heard that former Rainbow Warrior Brian Gordon passed away in Colorado.

  22. BigWave96744 November 4, 2014 8:48 am

    Wonder if George Ornellas is still living in Oregon

  23. chawan_cut November 4, 2014 8:52 am

    I think I’m missing the point and listing players that left for different reasons than what ST meant in his post

  24. Stephen Tsai November 4, 2014 8:57 am

    That’s sad news. Michael Carter and I were talking about him the other day.

  25. Stephen Tsai November 4, 2014 8:58 am

    Big Wave:
    According to Ron Lee, George Ornellas is living in Hawaii Kai.

  26. Inyoface November 4, 2014 9:07 am

    Didn’t George Ornellas play bare feet?

  27. Willie November 4, 2014 9:12 am

    Did Stump have any impact @ New Mexico?

    During his short time Ornellas was the first coming of Chad Owens.

  28. oneseason November 4, 2014 9:12 am

    Good job and thanks to whoever enabled Live Video of all the remaining UH football games.

    Hope UH is thinking about how to boost attendance for the UNLV game. This is the last chance for the Seniors to see a big cheering UH crowd in Aloha Stadium. Some of these guys have stuck it through three very hard years, and it would be great for them to see a change.

    11/8/2014 * Colorado State Ft. Collins, Colo. 5:00 p.m. MT
    11/15/2014 * San Jose State San Jose, Calif. 1:30 p.m. PT
    11/22/2014 * UNLV (Senior Night) Aloha Stadium 6:00 p.m.
    11/29/2014 * Fresno State Fresno, Calif. 4:00 p.m. PT

  29. cocobean November 4, 2014 9:13 am

    Blake Muir
    Will Gregory
    Trevor Davis

    Abu Maafala
    Kimo von Oelhoffen

  30. Old School Dave November 4, 2014 9:16 am

    Turns out that the reason those two USU players were suspended for the Hawaii game was that they both snuck out of their hotel room after curfew to take in Waikiki. Ah, the challenges of playing games in Hawaii. Doesn’t look like USU missed their services too much.

  31. hatakeman November 4, 2014 9:29 am

    El Burro, you are correct…”The N.C.A.A. committee on infractions recommended in 1977 that Pitino and O’Neil be disassociated from Hawaii athletics.” Ref. New York Times; May 24, 1989; article regarding Petino’s interview for the head coaching job at Kentucky.

  32. Old School Dave November 4, 2014 9:33 am

    I remember a story back in 1980 of UH Lab School’s (Pac-5) Leroy Lutu having dinner at Washington Place with Gov. Ariyoshi courting him to stay at home and play for UH.

  33. kapakahi November 4, 2014 9:37 am

    – John Lister
    – Keith Kirkwood
    – Ben Dew
    – Kwamane Bowens

  34. Andrew November 4, 2014 9:46 am


    Any relation to the Leroy Lutu that played for UH a few years ago?

  35. Old School Dave November 4, 2014 10:02 am

    Andrew #34: Yep, that was his dad. Probably one of the best High School athletes to come out of Hawaii (Football and Basketball). Played for UW under Don James.

  36. Andrew November 4, 2014 10:17 am


    Interesting. I also didn’t realize that they’re related to The Rock, Dwayne Johnson.

  37. A-House November 4, 2014 10:54 am


    the late Wally Fujiyama who provided “free” legal services to certain UH athletes for the 1970 era and, rumor says, all expense trip for a certain BB player’s parents

    thus my confusion why the NCAA failed to investigate why/how Reggie Bush parents could live in a “high class condo” and afford first class transportation to certain bowl games where USC played in and luxury hotel accommodations

  38. Former UH Athlete November 4, 2014 11:05 am

    This was posted the BB blog… Letter from Isaac Fotu’s parents:

    This is very emotional for me and my family because we got to know so many people in Hawaii, so many fans, and we know how much this team means to them. Isaac was treated very well there, and Hawaii will always hold a place in our hearts as a family.

    When Isaac first called home and said he is ineligible, we had so many questions. He didn’t get any answers from anybody and we felt like nobody could help us. We didn’t want to take the chance of him sitting on the sidelines and this thing dragging on and missing all the games. That would not be good for him or the team. We didn’t want to take that risk.

    This was very, very difficult, and it really hurts my whole family that Isaac is leaving a place that was so great for him. It was always a priority with me for my kids to finish school with a degree, and I still want Isaac to get his degree because he is so close. Maybe that will be his reason to return to Hawaii some day.

    The best thing everybody can do now is support the team. Even though Isaac is no longer there, we will still check on the team every day and support from here. We feel like we are a part of Hawaii and we thank everyone who made it so special for Isaac.

    Manu and Jenny Fotu

  39. SteveM November 4, 2014 11:26 am

    Good morning everyone!

    We Will Survive

  40. Ken K November 4, 2014 11:26 am

    Remember Casey Ortiz and Allen Brown from the 1973 team that left after 9 games? They upset Washington 10-7 in the season opener in Seattle.

  41. Boolakanaka November 4, 2014 11:29 am

    So, not sure if that Lutu story is some local high school urban myth story, but that said, the former governor was not known as having a sparkling personality, nor a conversationalist, perhaps Leroy leaped to Udub to escape the tedium…..

  42. hatakeman November 4, 2014 11:35 am

    A-House, I’ll take the bait…..come-on – the have not’s and the haves. You know, P-5 conference and the rest of the nation. Rich v. Poor. But he did have to return his Heisman Trophy. What a laugh. Oh, is it LOL?

  43. hatakeman November 4, 2014 11:45 am

    And what did Johnny Football Manziel get for selling his autograph at an autograph session? Well, nothing except money. It’s okay if you play in the SEC and are a national title contender.

  44. NorthShoreFan November 4, 2014 11:48 am

    Guud Morning Tsaikos…bootiful day.
    Beautiful letter from the Fotu family. Mahalo to Former UH Athlete.
    Yup, who’s in charge of UH Athletics? It seems there is no direction or a comprehensive plan of action. Everyone is left in a state of confusion. Players, coaches, fans, etc. This should not be the case. If the people we have in places of responsibility is not u to the challenge of managing our sports programs then we need to let them go.
    The football season was looking very promising and I felt this might be a good season. Then our key personnel started to get hurt and out for the season. I’m amazed the team is able to be as competitive as they are. Just a strong statement by our athletes.
    The basketball season was looking to be “lights out” this year. Then all this bs started. What next? Don’t quit on our kids. They deserve our support! Ding those in a position to do something. Ding those who are responsible.
    By not supporting the programs, for what ever reasons, our student athletes are the only ones who get hurt, nobody else!….think about it…heheheh, wen steal one from Fink.

  45. Old School Dave November 4, 2014 11:53 am

    Boola: “Quiet and Effective” dat Governor George.

    I remember another recruiting story involving a particular running back from the North Shore of Oahu who wanted to sign with UH, but his family’s religious convictions overruled that and he went to that school in Provo, UT. Just frustrated the hell out of the UH coach at that time, Dick Tomey.

  46. NorthShoreFan November 4, 2014 11:53 am

    No Clue At All is…due for termination. It has proven time and time again that they are powerless against schools who don’t mind kicking them back. They fear litigation. Congress should open and investigation of that body.
    There are numerous instances of inequitable treatment of programs. The perception is if you bring $’s to the institution, and the schools and most of all TV, you are untouchable! the power of ESPN, CBS, ABC, NBC on full display.

  47. A-House November 4, 2014 11:56 am


    my post was a reminder how inequitable the NCAA treats all the schools under its jurisdiction – nothing to do with rich man, poor man

    like UH VB championship – someone who visited the NCAA office and posted that UH is still recognized as the “champion” with its plaque on the wall; yet, NCAA tells UH to return “whatever it was” and remove their championship banner that was hoisted at the SSC

    as I posted several times – how can the NCAA create a “rule” post the champion ship tournament, make it effective 4-5 years before, and state that UH “should have known” it was against the rules as Costas had participated with a pro-team, even tho he did not accept any pay or gifts that the professional players received

    likewise, we must remember that it was UH that decided to make Fotu ineligible for the 2014-15 season; not the NCAA as they have yet to issue its findings and punishment, if any.

    upper campus, including Ben Jay, “threw the BB team” under the bus

    yes, not all things are equal and fair in this US of A and that’s why certain things happened because certain people felt it was right and perpetuated the myth.

  48. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 11:56 am

    one coach 72 wins…55 losses … another one 6 wins n 27 losses… who gets canned…

    interesting letter from fotu family…”we didn’t get any answers from anybody and we felt like nobody could help us”…. seems typical from the UHAD dept… about how much they care about the athletics they should be caring about..

    can you imagine you are several thousand miles away…n trying to get answers n no one here shows ne interest in helping you…just complete disregard for players n family…

    so the next question is…how is this manifested in the minds of the football players…who are asked over n over oh a daily basis by coaches…come on… block n tackle…

    the results you see from their record…their minds have been
    ‘brainwashed’ by the negative comments n actions taken by the AD..OVER N OVER THESE YEARS…cut…cut…save money.. we have to cut money..for some no checks sleep in the locker room…sleep on cots…while the dorms stay empty… no place to feed players.. no furniture..n the list goes on n on…come on coach norman solve these problems n coach these students…heavy load for ne one…then calling a coaches wife…to relay message..his services are no longer is required…wonder how it will be done with coach chow…maybe he will do it on twitter…he seems to be good at that from what i read here…sad case up there…

    parents are just looking for some help n ZERO…. BET IF WALLY WAS STILL AROUND HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE ‘LEADERSHIP’ ROLE..n this mess would neva happen… fine young man…lost… n more to go in following him n making an exit from the BB program…what was looking like a very promising season…up in flames…cuz no one up there cares for students…

    parents see how their sons n daughters are being treated…why send their children up there ….at least if you are a short ride home,,,or a short flight…not so for those from places…they just make it so very difficult to recruit…next to impossible…

  49. tom-warriornation November 4, 2014 12:02 pm

    Let’s do a “We get ‘em” fund raising to buy out Chow.

    Like Reardon suggested, we need a change NOW. We are now a bottom 10 team; and sinking fast. Chow’s 6-27 record is only surpassed by the Idaho coach–we are NOW compared to the Idaho football program. The players seemed to have given up; less than 20,000 fans show up; RECRUITING WILL BE DROP (LIFELINE OF OUR PROGRAM) if we don’t do something now.

    If 37,500 fans donate $20 each; we would easily have the $750,000 to buyout Chow’s contract. Let’s do another crowd-sourcing venture to save our once proud Hawaii football program!

    How many of you would donate $20 to buyout Chow’s contract? I will donate $500.

  50. A-House November 4, 2014 12:04 pm

    another thing to remember about the NCCA is that all the “leaders” come from schools that belong on the Big 5 or P5 as another put it

    current “chief” was the former President at Michigan – correct me if I’m wrong.

    do you think they would really “hurt their own”? – hell no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    and, what will the NCAA do to the P5 who have created their own “national championship” playoffs and gave the “lame” response that “all schools” will have an opportunity to compete – who in this dumb world will believe that!!!!!!

    Texas ST playing for the “national championship” based on the criteria set up by the P5 conferences? when this universe ends!!!!!!!!!!

  51. Andrew November 4, 2014 12:11 pm


    Buying out a coach’s contract shoul not be the responsibility of the fans.

  52. Da Punchbowl Kid November 4, 2014 12:11 pm

    Boolaknaka –

    “Escape the tedium”? Spit my coffee out laughing at that one! Tedium indeed… or was that “quiet but effective?” 😆

  53. Da Punchbowl Kid November 4, 2014 12:17 pm

    Money entered the picture, and away went college sports.

  54. tom November 4, 2014 12:19 pm

    #11 Yes- Rick Pitino got banned by NCAA for a period of time – went to Providence, if memory serves me, before the KY, NYKicks, Louisville jobs.

    But he was tossed out by the UH administration before NCAA even took action. But the NCAA sanction was not forever and a day. I forgot the name of the other asst. coach but he went on to HC Syracuse? Butler?

    You can speculate as to what would have Reggie, Henry, George had done if Pittino et al was retained for the beginning of the season. (remember Bruce O’Neil had been removed). I think that those kids would have been stuck as I believe the rules allow transfers if only if the HC gets kicked out.

  55. Shoko November 4, 2014 12:30 pm

    So, the Colorado State game will be televised on ESPN U and the remaining games (SJSU, Fresno State and UNLV) will be streamed on the Mountain West Digital Network.

  56. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 12:34 pm

    hope mufi.. changes all this when he is elected…

    he he he…..

    dont 4 get to vote today… me already voted for marcos…

  57. Turfwar November 4, 2014 12:41 pm

    Boo the Lutu story of lunch at the Gov’s mansion is real. Worked on the Tomey Show at the time and to this day Coach Tomey said that recruiting battle is the one that took the most out of him. It was devastating to lose Leroy to a Udub program that turned him into a TE. Coach thought he would have had a long career in the NFL if he had been trained as a LB. If I remember correctly John Kamana of Punahou came out at the same time and I’m not even sure how hard they went after him and he signed with USC who made him a fullback. Tomey really wanted Leroy, even offered the Morales twins as DB’s after watching them play hoops with Leroy. One of them Eric or Evan is a local basketball official today who works some college games as well as high school.

  58. Shoko November 4, 2014 12:45 pm

    Was comparing the stats and quarterback ratings between Woolsey this season and Schroeder’s stats his first year and they are pretty similar.



  59. 4-Prong November 4, 2014 1:03 pm

    Was comparing the stats and quarterback ratings between Woolsey this season and Jay Cutler’s stats his first year and they are pretty similar.



  60. NotNasti November 4, 2014 1:06 pm

    I think what is being lost in the BB team debacle, and it is a debacle, is where the responsibility for the investigation and self-imposed sanctions lie. The administration may rightfully be blamed on its handling of the situation, but their involvement would not have been necessary if one person, a single person at the very least, had followed the rules. Brandyn Akana submitted a form with the intent to circumvent the rules. Regardless of whether or not the form was actually submitted, what was he thinking? Circumvent the rules for one person at the risk of the entire program? Furthermore, he was not the head coach. Do any of you find it entirely possible that prior to submitting the form, he told Gib Arnold, “I lost the financial disclosure information from Jankovic’s parents, so I just made something up, since the deadline is today, is that alright? And Gib’s response, “yeah, it’s okay, since it has nothing to do with recruiting or the NCAA.” Furthermore, that same person, who like all NCAA member coaches, had to pass a test on the NCAA rules as it pertained to amateur athletes, gave an iPad to Isaac Fotu, in violation of NCAA rules. The violation, however small, was an intentional and knowing violation of the rules. Yet somehow, he Akana is blameless in all of this. Many people are focusing on the severity of the crime, and not the mens rea, or intent of the actor. Just like the judge who will not excuse a speeder who protests that everyone else was speeding, and some going much faster who were not caught, the fact that other schools are cheating, and in bigger ways will not have much of an impact with the NCAA.

    I do believe we are being unfairly targeted, but am mindful that none of this would have happened if Akana had followed the rules. That Gib Arnold insisted that he did nothing wrong, to the administration, public and probably the NCAA, sealed his fate. I will miss Issac Fotu. He will go down as one of the most favored UH athletes in history. Last one on the team since Alika/AC.

  61. Shoko November 4, 2014 1:07 pm

    Kolton Wong finalist for Rookie of the Year.

  62. Former UH Athlete November 4, 2014 1:10 pm

    58, except that Woosley’s 2014 OLine pass protection has been significantly better than Schroeder’s 2012 OLine.

    Schroeder was getting hit on almost every drop back, and was getting hurried on virtually every throw. I actually think 2014’s OLine has been good overall in pass protection. The vast majority of sacks recorded this year have been on Woosley holding the ball too long or a RB occasionally missing a blitz pickup.

  63. Shoko November 4, 2014 1:15 pm

    60. Possible. As they say, its only cheating if you get caught.

    58. Possible. Or could it be that Woolsey is more mobile than Schroeder making the oline look better that it actually is?

  64. Irse November 4, 2014 1:18 pm

    Davone Bess
    Ryan Grice-Mullen

  65. 4-Prong November 4, 2014 1:23 pm

    2014’s o-line is actually MUCH better, in all phases, than what shroeder had. You could put mike vick behind that o-line and it would’ve still been terrible.

  66. Shoko November 4, 2014 1:26 pm

    Also, it could be that opposing teams have had to scheme against a mobile quarterback (read-option) that causes them to play differently than when Schroeder was behind center?

  67. Shoko November 4, 2014 1:27 pm

    I would agree that run blocking is much better but pass pro might need work.

  68. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 1:30 pm

    NN …you always seem to have the ‘scoop’ it was reported in other news stories…. that ‘ONE FIGURE’ was changed n it was glaring as reported by the compliance person…me did not see that in your explanation above ??

    is it coaches responsibility to get all this ‘crap’ together..or secretary or compliance person?

    i guess that is why gib said it was ‘nothing’ huh…

    ne way thanks.. best explanation me have read so far…

  69. gobows November 4, 2014 1:54 pm

    what is being done about all the false start calls on the center? thought is was just urban, but afusia too. wth is chris teaching?

    and lakalaka with the dirty blocking…on consecutive plays. he was drawing those penalties earlier in the year. why is he continuing to hurt the team with those cheap shots.

    did dee maggitt and nequan phillips trade jerseys?

    damn, they just missed the bottom 10.

  70. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 2:02 pm

    hey go bows… don’t worry… be patient… after this week.. we will be listed in the top 10 of the bottom ten he he he

    but still hoping 4 upset… my upset of the week..this one..

    it is a crying shame really..what these student athletes have to go through…is it ne wonder why we loose so many that go 2 mainland…

  71. ArcumFortis November 4, 2014 2:03 pm

    #60 NN… assumption is that there were infractions made and accountability is required. Intentional violations of the rules are a problem and need to be dealt with in a forthright way. The open question is simply whether you need to seriously damage a team and a season for these infractions. I for one would certainly not propose that we try get around being accountable. Yes let’s be accountable. And let’s do so on a way that is most fair and intelligent and transparent and responsive to the situation. I question whether we need to severely damage a program to meet the goal of accountability. I am not sure whether your information is accurate and if so how much more there is. I am troubled by the lack of openness about what is going on and the platitudes that this is best for the players and the BB team.

  72. NotNasti November 4, 2014 2:34 pm

    Arcum, without knowing the results of the investigation, like many other people, I am guilty of conjecture. However, none of this would have happened but for the actions of one person. What’s done (firing Gib, Akana, suspending Fotu) is done. Only time will tell if the investigation was bungled and the response, overkill. Having been a season ticket holder since 1991, I know that the response, right or wrong, will set our program back for many, many years.

  73. Andrew November 4, 2014 2:39 pm


    There seems to be an eerie feeling surrounding this though that last week was just the beginning of what’s to come (when the NCAA releases their statement).

  74. oneseason November 4, 2014 2:42 pm

    Hindsight I guess, but I would think it reasonable for the UH AD/decision maker to have led an investigation to correct any problems before self-reporting to the NCAA. I know BC has said on 1420 that it didn’t need to be reported because the UH compliance organization identified the altered document, but I can see why the UH would want any corrections to be officially noted. An aggressive internal UH investigation, that made it crystal clear upfront that any dissembling would get you the door, conducted in concert with experienced legal council, would have been the way to reduce the chance that somebody would say something squirrely to the NCAA when they showed up.

  75. tom November 4, 2014 2:43 pm

    #71 ArcumFortis:

    That is what bothers me – nobody is saying what the situation really is. Obviously if you falsify a document that was needed in an application, that is a violation. But is the violation a felony or a misdemeanor – to use a criminal analogy? Is our self-inflicted punishment fit the crime? As we reported ourselves to NCAA in compliance with NCAA rules, I assume it is NCAA that must judge on the severity of the crime.

    The Fotu situation arises as a separate problem and not connected with Coach Akana. Giving a benefit that is not available to the general student population is a violation of NCAA rules. Again while the UH has to be in compliance with the NCAA guidelines (North Carolina being an exception), shouldn’t we find out how severe NCAA view this?

    In essence, should we not wait to see how NCAA feels about it before we kneel down on our red carpet and pull out our samurai sword?

  76. haka November 4, 2014 2:45 pm

    Isn’t it the responsibility of our compliance officer to find discrepancies and rectify them before submitting them? Or was the error discovered after already being submitted? Then why wasn’t the error found before it was submitted? Did we have to self report it before we submitted it?

    Just wandering…in a post everything stupor…

  77. Andrew November 4, 2014 2:54 pm


    The document was never submitted. It was caught in compliance and the University decided to self report the incident.

  78. Andrew November 4, 2014 2:56 pm


    They are not allowed to say anything about the situation. Though I’m not confident that they would be completely open about the situation if allowed to.

  79. haka November 4, 2014 2:59 pm

    76 Thanks Andrew, that’s what I thought I read.

    That’s where I get confused. Is the compliance officer working to help or to police?

  80. cocobean November 4, 2014 3:03 pm

    #76. The document in question was for visa purposes for a Canadian player. The item in question was the income of the player’s parents. Akana altered the amount that he had initially filled in. This was caught by the UH’s compliance person. The document was corrected then submitted. The compliance person felt it was UH’s duty to self report this incident to the NCAA. The rest is history.

  81. Andrew November 4, 2014 3:10 pm


    On Bobby’s show this morning he was explaining that the compliance worker’s are under the impression that they are there to police for the NCAA. Not sure how true that is but it sure seems like that.

  82. Andrew November 4, 2014 3:11 pm

    Forget the document already. The real question is what else did the NCAA find (besides the Ipad).

  83. cocobean November 4, 2014 3:12 pm

    #76. There is a back story to the story. The compliance person who caught the error was the one that pushed BJ to report the incident. Said person was adamant that if BJ didn’t report it he/she would.

    Only UH knows what was reported. That it caught an honest mistake by coach or if they caught a coach intentionally trying to submit a falsified govt. document.

  84. Andrew November 4, 2014 3:13 pm

    I agree with Bobby though that if the University is penalizes for the document alteration, they should take that to court. It’s not a violation if it was never submitted with the alteration.

  85. haka November 4, 2014 3:13 pm

    80 Thanks cocobean. I am still a bit confused though. So the compliance officer felt there would be bigger repercussions if it wasn’t reported and then discovered later like in some sort of cover up? How do you determine error versus intent at that point? Was it the conscience of the officer? Duty?

  86. haka November 4, 2014 3:15 pm

    Okay, caught up on the posts. Mahalo for the insights.

  87. Tempmanoa November 4, 2014 3:23 pm

    Here is what happened with all the illegal motion and procedure penalties which hit both teams– an unusual situation.

    Before the game Chow asked the refs to pay particular attention to this (someone told me this and I believe it is true) because Utah State motions and shifts a lot too quickly without setting the line. So the refs paid close attention to it all game on both sides and caught our center moving the ball a lot. So we got a lot of calls on USU, but also on UH.

  88. DaveLetterMan November 4, 2014 3:24 pm

    Heard on BC’s show awhile ago that it isn’t one particular violation but the number of violations and that stories didn’t match up.

  89. Tempmanoa November 4, 2014 3:37 pm

    DaveLetterMan, it is more than one violation depending on what happens as a result of the violation, but basically the offensive linemen have set for a full second before motion or a snap. The defense is keying on this because they do not know exactly how the line will set until the snap of the ball and the line must be set before that, so that can result in illegal procedure against USU, illegal motion or shift, and it can draw UH offsides which would result in a penalty against USU. So what the refs are watching is whether the line is set a full second before the snap. I think our center may move the ball just before the snap meaning he was not set before the snap. Anyway, the refs were watching the setting of the line and the snap of the ball to be sure the line was set long enough. This is a problem for some motion teams running high tempo offense.

  90. Don Weir November 4, 2014 3:39 pm

    The compliance officer works for the UH Athletics Department not the NCAA. The NCAA requires (!) self reporting if the violation meets certain criteria.
    Out of the compliance office comes the very thick NCAA ‘blue book’ that governs the actions of coaches, booster clubs, and program supporters. In the past I used that book multiple times in an attempt to keep the football program ‘in the clear’. I have been in the compliance officer’s office several times in the past to either review guidelines or report infractions of those guidelines. As an example, there are limits as to the number and value of the awards given out at the end of a season.
    Some coaches did not accept the rules as outlined; there have been other NCAA investigations at UH prior to this last review, luckily not as significant as the current situation that UH finds itself embroiled.

  91. DaveLetterMan November 4, 2014 3:44 pm

    Tempmanoa, sorry was talking about MBB

  92. Otto November 4, 2014 3:46 pm

    A caller to the BC show this morning relayed what he heard about the iPad. Coach Akana gave an iPad to Fotu, after his kid dropped in water and it was dried out. Fotu got suspended by UH for getting a secondhand (slightly damaged) iPad. BC didn’t confirm the story but said it’s what he had heard too… BC said UH was going to suspend Fotu for at least half the season. UH was then going to ask for immediate reinstatement and see many games suspension the NCAA would agree too.

  93. Boolakanaka November 4, 2014 4:11 pm

    Turf-1980 was the heyday of HS recruiting, at least from my vantage, and well, also my graduation date. Folks who we also lost out on that year include John Haina ( my neighbor) Kaulana Park, Carter Kamana (JKs brother at KS) who started at michigan State….

    On a side note, the next year, my HS, we had three guys that started in the PAC 10, on the offensive line–probably one of the most underrated classes.

  94. islandman November 4, 2014 4:37 pm

    Last week BC said he heard there were upgraded hotel suites, fruit baskets and dvd players involved as extra benefits. Don’t know if this is true.

  95. oneseason November 4, 2014 4:53 pm

    Another not-satisfied UH football customer … an interesting twist on politics and sports, and a pretty common sentiment for the season and coach … I think we left before rush so the wait wasn’t too bad though …

  96. Turfwar November 4, 2014 5:05 pm

    Yup Boo. Don’t even get me started on those years. Kaulana was a manchild as a RB and it was an exciting time with the Tomey years taking UH fans to never before seen heights with sell outs versus teams like SC and BYU. A time when 37- 38,000 was expected every week. To be competitive with those types of teams shows UH must have gotten their fair share of good local talent. Guys who could have played at a lot of places. I was just thinking of that this morning when the sports section of the StarAdvertiser featured a huge article and picture of DL/RB Salanoa Alo-Wiley who I personally can’t wait to see in a Warrior uniform. Meanwhile there was a small article on Canton Kaumatele committing to Oregon. Brought a huge smile to my face to have the UH commit as the feature story. Salanoa-Wiley is very impressive in person and I would love to see him carry the rock once in a while when he suits up. I doubt he redshirts. It’s a great year for DL guys in Hawaii this year and no matter who coaches next year they will be able to offer playing time for that position which could net us a couple of gems both locally and from the mainland.

  97. whitey November 4, 2014 5:31 pm

    I hope the compliance officer did his/her homework on monetary value for the prospective Canadian recruit. The value of a Canadian dollar is not the same as a US dollar and this can get confusing when filling out papers. A Canadian dollar today is worth only $.88/88 cents against the US dollar. If the recruit submitted the valuation in Canadian, then this has to be converted to US and possibly this is where the problem began. I don’t know, but if I was UH, I would make sure this was not the cause of the initial problem. You can make $58,000 Canadian and come to the US and it is worth only $50,000 (estimated).

  98. Shoko November 4, 2014 5:53 pm

    Weekly Colorado State pregame…Chow says Joey gained some weight! Speaking of shifting and motions, expect to see a lot of that this weekend by the Rams.

  99. Former UH Athlete November 4, 2014 6:55 pm

    69. I heard Bobby Curran mention that UH altered/changed their cadence. But that’s only what he said.

    Still no excuse for this many false starts this late in the season.

  100. Former UH Athlete November 4, 2014 7:36 pm

    Re-reading Ferd’s article and looking at the people he singled out…

    Who’s wise idea was it to appoint people heavily involved with KoaAnuenue into the most powerful positions at UH?

    I have no idea how much crossover there is between other university booster clubs and instutution leaders, but it seems like a dangerous idea if the people in charge also control large sums of money that the univeristy needs/uses.

  101. 3-Prong November 4, 2014 8:24 pm

    gobows, fuha: i thought Bobby said that Utah State was mimicking our cadence and confusing our oline. Coach Chow hinted at the same on Inside Access but to his credit did not use it as an excuse. Utah State should have been called on the illegal activity.

  102. Z November 4, 2014 8:25 pm

    I think that the chancellor, AD and HC have always been on the KAA board. I have no problem with that since they rep UH. The ones that bother me are the ones who do extensive business with UH. That doesn’t smell right.

  103. Z November 4, 2014 8:28 pm

    UH spend so much time at the line of scrimmage they might as well go back to the huddle. Sometimes our players on offense look more confused than the defense they are facing.

  104. Former UH Athlete November 4, 2014 8:33 pm


    A lot of what UH has done the past several years doesn’t smell right.

    Maybe it’s time to stop allowing people to be in control of both booster clubs and univeristy?

    The U.S. president can’t be both President and US House/Senate leader. It’s way too much power for anybody to not be nervous about.

  105. oneseason November 4, 2014 8:53 pm

    #104 … It’s just the sweet smell of community partnership.

  106. kapakahi November 4, 2014 9:29 pm

    #69 & #99,

    Chow complained to the refs that the Utah State Dline was mimicking Ikaika’s cadence to throw off the UH Oline.

  107. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 9:44 pm

    hey ..this is not first game of season… crap happens..with mimic excuse…concentration is just not there..

  108. Former UH Athlete November 4, 2014 9:46 pm

    105… That is a very good (and totally fair) question.

    Especially if you don’t follow UH closely.

  109. al November 4, 2014 9:47 pm

    will someone please tell st. anthony trojan that mufi is not a tsaiko,

  110. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 9:48 pm

    n makes no sense he bitch about it to the dude on the side lines.. go talk to the dude in the white hat…also where is the CAPT. OUR TEAM..HE IS ON THE FIELD..HE IS THE ONE SHOULD SPEAK UP.

    Ne way.. sad n happy…wish more of who me wanted in office would have made it..hope ou new governor starts working on handing over the stadium to BJ..IF HE IS STILL AROUND.. HE CAN HAVE A GARAGE SALE OF ‘RECYCLED COACHES’ SALE..

  111. oneseason November 4, 2014 9:50 pm

    On the positive side, winning seems to have really turned things around for UCLA … attendance up 21% … $6M in increased revenue …

  112. cocobean November 4, 2014 9:51 pm

    The problem with UH as I see it is having a backbone is not one of the qualifications to be a top administrator. From the president on down no one is his own man. Everyone is beholden to someone or some group for the position they have. Doesn’t anyone find it strange that the current UH president was appointed the interim president with the understanding he would not be a candidate for the permanent position. Then somehow the rules were changed to make him a candidate. The questions I have is who pushed him for the interim position and what process was used to change the rule regarding making the interim prexy eligible for the permanent position.

    It’s funny that one of his first official acts is to get rid of the chancellor. To me it was done as a payback to someone. I don’t think he had enough time to make a thorough evaluation of Apple’s job performance unless it was already on his agenda prior to his appointment. Who put it on his agenda is my question.

    How was the interim chancellor picked? The first thing he did was to hold up Gib’s contract extention. The second significant act was to have BJ axe Gib. It seems UH had no intention of standing behind Gib and defending itself against whatever unkown allegations the NCAA will bring. Was the interim chancy acting on his own or doing someone else’s bidding?

  113. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 10:03 pm

    coco… me thinks he not that figure all that one out…

    beholden to a way of life here..for the most part..
    especially if politics are involved…the ‘taxi driver’ just gave away million is pay raises to them up there…

  114. kev-1 November 4, 2014 10:29 pm

    #105 … WOW! How did you get that through without getting moderated? What’s your secret?

  115. kev-1 November 4, 2014 10:32 pm

    Am I the only one who thinks Isaac Fotu is getting a pass by everyone? I know nothing has been confirmed yet, but EVERY other time we hear of an athlete from another program accepting improper benefits, the media and the fans call for their heads.

    Yet with Fotu, we have a guy who is declared ineligible because of alleged wrong doing so he says “see ya.” And here we are wishing him well and thanking him. I won’t judge him for what he is accused of until actual findings are reported, but I find it interesting how things work sometimes.

  116. SteveM November 4, 2014 10:57 pm

    RE: #4
    tom — Congratulations to Mark Takai!

  117. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 11:14 pm

    kev-1.. maybe ur right… but if was me..i would go bye bye also…seemed like for a few days.. no one.. not even the coach..or BJ could assure he would or could play ‘SOON’
    n like he or his parents said.. not sure if that meant sitting on the bench all season..or just how many games he would miss…

    that is par 4 the course up there…no one knows nothing…like ‘schultz’ n no one could assure him ne thing…n coach taylor said..he can n would be reinstated…but no assurances…makes no sense to waste a whole semester…sitting n not knowing…

    better he move on… cuz no one want to take responsibility for his future.. which he n his parents.. thought was a major concern…BJ could not n did not give the team ne assurances on who the coach would be..when they met him several days ago…go figga.. the AD does not know.. guess he had to ask sumone first…so the team left his office.. n no questions they had were answered…

    usually when a coach is fired in most sports..they name sumone to take over in the same breadth..but not to 4 get..we are dealing with the UH…SAD…

    maybe by march…he he he

  118. st. anthony trojan November 4, 2014 11:20 pm

    yea congratulations to the winners.. n thanks to the losers..for giving all voters n option…

  119. easybruddah November 4, 2014 11:26 pm

    Because the punishment doesn’t fit the crime! If you saw a waterlogged ipad lying on the ground and picked it up and kept it, would you be charged with stealing? OK, say someone (Amanda P.) saw you and reported you to the police and they came to your house to question you. Then you lied about it and they arrested and charged you with robbery. Do you think the judge would say 30 days probation and a small fine and payback the value of the “stolen” item (about $100). Or do you think it’s fair that the judge (chancellor) instead sentenced you to jail for one year and then shot and killed your parents for not disciplining their child properly? Is this America or communist China?

  120. UHfan808 November 5, 2014 6:02 am

    Good morning, Tsai-kos!

  121. 4-Prong November 5, 2014 6:26 am

    #120: wtf.

  122. Stephen Tsai November 5, 2014 6:26 am

    Good post-election morning to all.
    Here’s today’s post:

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