Thursday checkin, posting problems

Team only has lifting session today, they will practice Friday morning, fly out Friday afternoon
Hall was expecting to have all of his NLIs in by today so should have a story for Friday’s paper and an update later today. He was waiting on 2 as of last night.
Someone had mentioned Emma Smith, 5-8 libero from Mira Costa. She is considered an invited walk-on and is expected to be indoor and beach. So nothing official from UH and coaches cannot comment on those with that status.

I think I have figured out why some posts haven’t been showing up. Found a couple in a spam filter. Couple of reasons.
1. there was a link that the filter rejected
2. non-legit email address that didn’t have a .com at the end
3. duplicate posts which is considered spam
4. post that was very lengthy
5. and the ‘aha moment’ for me,
If a thread has been closed and someone tries to respond, it isn’t getting posted
So if you have tried to post and it doesn’t show up, see if the thread has been closed. If you still want to comment, do so on the next day’s thread.

So these are a couple that were in spam that were meant for Monday’s thread. We can comment on them now:

From EdZ
I don’t understand the financial excuse about going to a tournament in the mainland that would help UH’s rpi. They certainly didn’t have any financial concerns about traveling to Europe during the summer. They had so much money that they even took along two players that were no longer members of the team.

From Manamamo:
RPI was never meant to be fair. The use was for Men Basketball. It was meant to rank the teams most likely to win the championship if it had the right path. In the beginning it was mostly schools from the East, Mid East and South. The power conferences calls the shots with the NCAA if not, they will walk.

From Manoa Fan:
With all of this importance of RPI in recent years, why doesn’t coach Shoji schedule a strong non-conference team (with a high RPI) to come in like he used to in previous years???? I remember the days when Stanford would come in the middle of the old Big West and WAC season. When our Kee William’s Wahine beat Bev Oden and Kristen Klein’s squad; our Anjelica Ljungquist led Wahine lost to Kristin Folkl and Kerri Walsh’s extremely talented Stanford team. When Kim Willoughby and Lily Kahumoku’s group lost to Logan Tom’s and Ogonna Nnamani’s team and then eventually beat Stanford’s Ogonna Nnamani and Kristin Richard’s team.

For those who missed Wednesday’s Top 25
1) Penn State def. Iowa 25-16, 25-23, 25-18
2) USC def. Oregon 25-17, 26-24, 25-21
4) Minnesota def. Northwestern 25-23, 25-19, 22-25, 25-18
5) Texas def. 10) Kansas 20-25, 25-20, 30-28, 22-25, 15-9
8) Nebraska def. Michigan State 25-19, 27-29, 23-25, 25-18, 16-14
11) Wisconsin def. Michigan 25-20, 25-19, 25-19
14) Ohio State def. Illinois 16-25, 25-17, 25-18, 25-23
17) Purdue def. Maryland 25-22, 22-25, 25-22, 25-15


  1. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 7:40 am

    To EdZ
    The trip to Europe was not paid for by the athletic department. It was paid for through donations and fundraising

    Regarding the past seasons where someone like a Stanford or USC came out at the end of the season, which hasn’t happened since 1995 BTW when Arizona was here.

    Much has changed in the past 20 years.
    First it began with Hawaii moving to the WAC and there was a WAC tournament that filled the schedule in late November. When there was that extra week in between the WAC tournament and the NCAA tournament, a couple of times UH picked up road matches at places like BYU-Utah, UNLV tournament, Utah-Utah State.

    The Pac-10 has expanded to be the Pac-12, adding four extra conference matches wipes out that formerly open week.
    That Stanford came out in 2002 was a real anomaly. Cardinal came for a single match. Most schools won’t pay for that.

  2. Maverick November 12, 2015 8:56 am

    1. I was at the UNLV tournament when UH beat a lousy Kentucky team (yes, a lot has changed over the years). I was visiting a frend in Vegas and suggested we see Na Wahine at the Cox Pavilion. I wanted to see Willoughby in particular and was not disappointed. Even caught a ball that was blasted into the stands.

    I also watched the video of Hartong that was recently posted and really miss her power and athleticism. Thinking of her and Kim W., I wish we had another power terminator to complement Taylor. Don’t get me wrong, I like our ladies and team, and maybe one of the other outsides will develop next year into that type of player. Reminiscing will make you think such thoughts.

  3. kk808 November 12, 2015 8:59 am

    Thanks Cindy!

  4. Maverick November 12, 2015 9:19 am

    Off-topic for Cindy. A suggestion to really improve the blog–include a search function.

    I have seen multiple examples of folks asking questions answered on prior threads, making the same factual errors covered on previous threads, asking for the same RPI explanations (as an example) provided in the past, asking questions covered in the past, etc. Clearly not everyone can read every post and every thread, and reading through a closed thread of 100+ posts for the one post with the answer is impractical, assuming you even find the right thread. Having a good search function for Volleyshots would help cut down on a lot of the repetition and make it easier to get info from the past (as an example, why Hartong chose #17). I know it can be done (search functions are ubiquitous and even VT has one). Something to consider and suggest to your IT department.

  5. darkfire November 12, 2015 10:31 am

    2. Maverick – Yeah, I saw that video of Hartong in Korea and had the same reminiscing of wishing we had 2nd terminator. She is still soooo good, humble and athletic. What did you think of that sidewinder serve of hers? It almost looked like curved and wobbled in the direction she was moving. Looked pretty cool, almost like a knuckle ball.

    GO BOWS!

  6. mei mei November 12, 2015 11:40 am

    Maverick – i was there too… my parents took me whilst on vacay… and recall seeing KW’s power as well and was in awe! good times!

  7. Maverick November 12, 2015 11:58 am

    5. I love that serve. I don’t recall her using it at UH, so maybe she developed it over the past couple of years. Definitely fooled the other teams. Also noticed how toned her arms are–looking more and more like a world-class athlete.

  8. islandman November 12, 2015 11:59 am

    Regarding closed threads, usually there is no “Leave a Comment” box on the bottom for those. So no one can post after the thread is closed. If you type of comment and happen to submit it just after the thread is closed, it won’t show up, like happened to me once.

  9. Ron November 12, 2015 12:19 pm

    Does anyone know what Emily’s status with the National/Olympic team is? I know at one time Karch was very high on her. She will always be my number one Wahine because she worked so hard, because she honored her grandfather plus that generation of sailors who fought in the Pacific, and she is really sincerely nice to everyone she meets. Her parents raised a great young lady.

  10. OrbitalRipZ November 12, 2015 12:26 pm

    Thanks, Cindy, for updating on Wednesday’s matches. The big story there was Texas (11-1) beating Kansas (10-2) for solo leadership of the Big 12.

    Thursday’s big match is Stanford vs Washington. And Western Kentucky (#24) vs. Marshall. Prize to anyone who can tell us W. Kentucky’s and Marshall’s school nickname without looking it up! Lol.

  11. Maverick November 12, 2015 12:36 pm

    10. Hilltoppers and Thundering Herd? Didn’t look it up, honestly.

    9. Here is a list of 2015 national team rosters:

    Didn’t see Emily anywhere on the web site.

  12. OrbitalRipZ November 12, 2015 1:50 pm

    11. I wouldn’t be impressed by your knowing Hilltoppers (who, BTW, has a current RPI of 20) but I am impressed by your nailing the Marshall Thundering Herds of W. Virginia. BTW: I shouldn’t make fun of this league for was it not that long ago that Na Wahine was embarrassed by Middle Tenneesee State of Conference-USA in postseason play?

    GO BOWS!

  13. Maverick November 12, 2015 2:04 pm

    12. My knowledge of these nicknames actually comes from outside volleyball. WKU used to have a top 20 women’s basketball team and even came to the islands one year to play. So I became familiar with the school through that sport. And Marshall because of its football program and most famous alum, Randy Moss.

  14. Maverick November 12, 2015 2:06 pm

    12. BTW, don’t I get some sort of prize?

  15. pokesquid November 12, 2015 3:28 pm

    Someone posted this in the football section.

    “If I’m not mistaken the Wahine volleyball team has 8 fab 50 players next year. Taylor, Higgins, Kahakai, Granato, Castillo, Mitchem and both incoming freshman. Magill also was one but she’s not eligible. Back in the day they were lucky if they had 1. My question is what has changed? Did Shoji discover the secret to recruiting?”

    Cindy can you confirm this…And what is Lipscomb’s current ranking?

  16. mauna November 12, 2015 3:50 pm

    10, 11, 12, 13 Hawaii has a Hilltopper transfer Heather Boyan playing Beach for Jeff Hall.

  17. Hapaguy November 12, 2015 4:02 pm

    Cindy does Hawaii pay for all the visiting teams travel costs to come here for the preconference matches? There is discussion on VT about RPI again and “why Hawaii doesn’t schedule tougher”….one poster seems to think that since Hawaii pays for all the visiting teams it should be easier to schedule tougher preconference teams. So the obvious implication from these posters is Dave is not trying hard enough to schedule tougher (higher RPI) teams…..

  18. Maverick November 12, 2015 4:58 pm

    17. No. UH may offer some small guarantee, but it can’t afford to pay all non-conference opponents’ travel costs. Hence why some teams won’t come at all and others will only come every few years, or just once.

  19. Hapaguy November 12, 2015 5:01 pm

    18. Thanks Maverick that’s what I thought. You should check out the discussion on VT titled “RPI’s Audacity”.

  20. H-Man November 12, 2015 5:11 pm

    And there’s the movie, “We are Marshall,” starring Matthew McConaughey about losing the entire football team in a 1970 air crash (less one player that did not make the trip because he was sick).

  21. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 5:12 pm

    seems like I’m not really needed to answer things. So thanks to everyone who does while I’m working on other things. Not that it matters but I knew Hilltopers and Thundering Herd. Not that hard for those who follow college sports. Guess the prize goes to anyone who actually was at the UH-WKU matches in Klum Gym in 87.

    15. nope, can’t confirm Lipscomb’s rating. Not something I follow but I sure others do.
    As for Shoji’s ‘sudden recruiting secret.’ there is none. Hawaii goes after the players they think will fit into their program. Lately the various ratings just happen to agree with how good the incoming UH players are. Some of the rankings come out after the senior season, months after these players have signed with UH.
    Still based on high school and club. Doesn’t mean anything in college.

  22. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 5:16 pm

    To expand on the teams in nonconference tournaments. Part of the sponsorship agreements are help in covering the travel costs such as hotels and airfare.
    As mentioned.
    24) Western Kentucky def. Marshall 25-17, 25-13, 25-21

  23. Maverick November 12, 2015 5:34 pm

    Ha, my post is awaiting moderation because I included a few links…sources of info I posted

  24. Maverick November 12, 2015 5:56 pm

    I compiled a list of ranked players for pokesquid that is waiting for Cindy’s review and approval in her spam filter. In the meantime, the only info I found on Lipscomb is that she has been on the San Diego Union Tribune’s list of local players to watch each of the past two years.

  25. Maverick November 12, 2015 5:57 pm

    15,21. So I’ve compiled two lists of ranked players (next year’s roster) based on various online sources:

    Senior ace list (last name and rank): Mitchem 16, Higgins 19, Iosia 21, Taylor 26, Greeley 35, Castillo 61, Kahakai 64, Granato 75, Sibley 105

    Fab 50: Castillo, Granato, Higgins, Kahakai, Mitchem, Taylor

    We will see early next year if Iosia and/or Sibley make the 2016 Fab 50 list.

    Here is a historical listing that goes a while back…very informative and brings back the memories:

  26. pokesquid November 12, 2015 6:05 pm

    25….Thanks for the information Maverick!

  27. kapakahi November 12, 2015 6:07 pm

    Daily Breeze recent profile spotlight on the South Bay HS Girls Athlete of the Week…….Mira Costa HS’s Emma Smith……

  28. Maverick November 12, 2015 6:26 pm

    Stanford vs Washington on ESPNU right now

  29. AdmrVT November 12, 2015 6:32 pm

    #25. Olivia Magill also was on VB’s Fab 50 for 2012.

  30. Ron November 12, 2015 6:35 pm

    Thanks for the trip down memory lane Maverick and thank you Kapakahi for Daily Breeze article. I think we got another great libero coming our way.

  31. Maverick November 12, 2015 6:37 pm

    30. Yes and #37 senior ace but I was just counting next year’s players.

  32. Maverick November 12, 2015 7:23 pm

    Watching the match on ESPNU, the announcers mentioned how Hawaii is an “excellent team” but 32nd in the RPI mainly because of the weak Big West. Nice to hear compliments from the mainland announcers on national tv.

  33. Maverick November 12, 2015 7:59 pm

    Washington dominates last three sets and wins 3-1. Sybeldon is the real deal. Stanford really missed Hodson.

  34. darkfire November 12, 2015 8:00 pm

    Wasn’t one of the last 4 Wahine matches supposed to be on Big West TV? I know the UC Irvine is supposed to be on ESPN3, if they don’t cut it off again, .

    32. Too bad the announcers aren’t on the RPI review board, lol.

  35. pokesquid November 12, 2015 8:13 pm

    Does anyone know any current girls from Hawaii high schools that is currently nationally ranked or could be.

  36. Maverick November 12, 2015 8:14 pm

    35. The matches not on ESPN3 will all be on big west tv.

  37. pokesquid November 12, 2015 8:17 pm


    Isn’t the men’s volleyball team going to have more than 10 Fab 50 players on the team…next season ?

  38. Maverick November 12, 2015 8:21 pm

    38. Better question is how many will stick around after next year? Only so much playing time to go around. Plus fewer scholarships to go around than in women’s game.

  39. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 8:37 pm

    8. not necessarily. There is a time lag between when I post the new thread link and closing the thread. Have noticed several short posts under my new thread link and before there is no comment box available.
    just trying to figure out why some comments don’t post
    Maverick I can suggest having a search button but don’t know if they’ll do it. we are in the middle of a major website overhaul and the blogs are low on the priority.

  40. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 8:44 pm

    Thursday Top 25
    No. 2 USC def. Oregon State 25-15, 25-10, 25-18
    No. 3 Washington def. No. 6 Stanford, 23-25, 25-18, 25-18, 25-15
    Oregon def. No 9 UCLA, 17-25, 25-17, 27-25, 23-25, 15-12
    No. 12 BYU def. Portland, 24-26, 25-20, 26-24, 25-18
    No. 13 Colorado State def. San Jose State, 25-14, 25-22, 25-20
    No. 19 Arizona def. Utah, 25-21, 25-14, 19-25, 27-29, 15-13
    Colorado def. No. 21 Arizona State, 27-25, 13-25, 21-25, 25-17, 15-12
    No. 23 San Diego def. Gonzaga, 25-18, 25-27, 24-26, 25-19, 15-13
    No. 24 Western Kentucky def. Marshall, 25-17, 25-13, 25-21
    No. 26 Arkansas State def. Appalachian State, 25-13, 25-20, 25-20

  41. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 8:47 pm

    32. heard that too about Hawaii. also how ‘soft’ the serving was on both sides.

  42. warriorfan November 12, 2015 8:48 pm

    I expect the warrior recruits to stick around, maybe one will transfer, but they all seem really close and when you are a part of a 13 person recruiting class, and then another class coming in with 4 more players, you have expect that theres a possibility you might be a bench player . Maybe some of them will pull a Scott Hartley, bench player for 3 years, then becomes an important part of the team his senior year.

    I really like Emma Smith, getting 7 digs a set is crazy, and I’ve seen some Mira Costa people say she is the best defensive player they have produced which says a lot with how many great players have come out of that school. I really think it will be heard to keep her off the floor, same with Norene.

  43. isles November 12, 2015 8:52 pm

    12. oh yeah that was ridiculous.

    btw i recall reading that half the scholie like in mens volleyball simply gets rounded up to a whole scholie correct?

  44. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 8:52 pm

    BTW, all 6 Hall were scheduled to sign got their paperwork in by Thursday.
    story in our paper friday, think UH will release the info Friday
    Julia Chizanskos Archbishop Mitty
    Cyrene Herzog Snohomish
    Sydney Kidd La Costa Canyon
    Chloe Luyties La Jolla
    Morgan Martin Capistrano Valley
    Amy Ozee Seabury Hall

    invited walk-ons
    Regan Hurkett Red Rock (Ariz.)
    Emma Smith Mira Costa
    Smith will try to walk-on for both indoor and sand

  45. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 8:58 pm

    43. no. men have 4.5 scholarships to be divided up as the coaches choose. same with beach volleyball. 6 scholarship can be divided up however. There is no such thing as rounding up.

    BTW, possible that Manu-Olevao will be playing beach this spring. Castillo for sure in addition to Maglio, Anderson, Guinasso and Taylor. Hall tried to talk Magill into it but Magill is carrying 19 units in spring and just wants to graduate

  46. warriorfan November 12, 2015 8:59 pm

    That’s a great class by the beach team, Martin will be a star. I think Ozee has great potential as well. Luyties has great bloodlines.
    I wonder if Hurkett will walk on to the indoor team too? She puts up a huge block on the right from videos I have seen of her, not the hardest hitter though.

  47. warriorfan November 12, 2015 9:01 pm

    45. No Mitchem playing beach?? I’m a littler surprised and bummed.
    Glad Tai might play though, she was on UH’s top two pairs when she played two years ago.

  48. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 9:02 pm

    46. Burkett could try but didn’t get that vibe from Hall.
    Hawaii pretty loaded indoor at OH next year. But we’ll see what happens.

  49. Maverick November 12, 2015 9:03 pm

    39. Couldn’t hurt to suggest it, worst they can do is say no and we remain at existing conditions.

    41. Serving was definitely soft. You and I could have received serve.

  50. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 9:05 pm

    47. not sure why you’re surprised about Mitchem, not if you have read my stories since she committed a year ago. She said she was going to concentrate on indoor.

  51. warriorfan November 12, 2015 9:05 pm

    I actually thought both Stanford and UW looked very beatable. But Stanford was without their best player.

  52. warriorfan November 12, 2015 9:07 pm

    I just thought she would play both like she did at Irvine valley. I believe she was on their top pair last season.
    Maybe she will try next season.

  53. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 9:07 pm

    49. I think I could have back in the day. not sure now. much like my setting. don’t know your volleyball background.

  54. Maverick November 12, 2015 9:11 pm

    53. I played mostly intramurals and for fun, nothing organized. Spent more time studying in the library. But serving was what you would expect of a good high school team, so passing was pretty good, particularly for Washington. Out of system, the teams were not impressive–very beatable.

  55. Cindy Luis November 12, 2015 9:15 pm

    52. Mitchem played No. 2 with Emily Reinking. Lasers won the CCCAA title
    54. agree. both looked beatable

  56. isles November 12, 2015 9:17 pm

    45. ok so how do you divide half a scholarship? does the player simply get half off everything tuition, books, housing and all? i thought somebody said they get it as though it was whole, so in essence, rounded up.

    also where is the other half of the scholarship not allotted in mens volleyball?

  57. pokesquid November 12, 2015 9:19 pm

    I don’t go to the sand games…but watched it on tv once.

    How many people attend the sand matches at UH?….Is it a big thing here or on the mainland?…Is it a sport that would become huge and draw huge crowds like the Wahines indoor does?

    Just wondering because it seems that a lot of people know so much about the sand girls, etc.

  58. Maverick November 12, 2015 9:22 pm

    55. Good match for folks to watch though, even on replay online, as UH could face either in the post season.

  59. noblesol November 12, 2015 9:31 pm

    Redondo Union lists Iosia at 6′. Possibly, in thick socks and shoes. She does look taller than Redondo’s Megan Rice, listed at 5′ 11″ (headed to UCSB). Between Mira Costa and Redondo, lots of WVB talent. Long Beach is getting 6′ 2″ OH/MB from Mira Costa, Ashley Anselmo. Emma Smith’s recent 35 dig match came in a 5-set thriller against Redondo Union.

  60. pokesquid November 12, 2015 9:34 pm

    So who are the girls here in high school that UH is interested in?…Are there any?

    I thought the Iolani setter was pretty good.

  61. warriorfan November 12, 2015 10:07 pm

    I don’t really see UH offering any local girls in the 2017 class, 2018 maybe Kili Robins, who has nice size at 6 feet.

  62. tongo November 12, 2015 10:12 pm

    #54 Watched the Stanford vs. Washington match also, and I agree. If we were to have a good receiving and serving match, we would give either them a real run for their money.

  63. warriorfan November 12, 2015 10:12 pm

    Actuallly I forgot about Savana Greene, who is 6′ 2 and might get offered in 2018 as well for both indoor and beach, I think she’s better on the beach though.

  64. pokesquid November 12, 2015 10:20 pm


    What about Ma’a?

    I wonder if Dave is going to go with Bigs (6-1 and over) from now on…Meaning if you are from Hawaii and not over 6′ tall than you will probably be passed by….Yes, Granato is only 5’11” to 6’…but she is someone special like Danielson who you cannot pass up on regardless of height.

    With the success he is having now with all the height on the team across the board…why would he ever go back to smaller outside hitters under 6′?

  65. Maverick November 12, 2015 11:00 pm

    Don’t recall if this was ever posted, but here is a link to an article from last month about Iosia that also mentions Smith:

    Says Iosia is 5’10”. She picked UH over UCLA and LBSU apparently.

  66. cappie the dog November 13, 2015 4:23 am

    I picked the right season to attend my first women’s volleyball games.

    The energy in the Stan Sheriff Center is different.

    Must be all that winning.

  67. Ron November 13, 2015 6:03 am

    After seeing the tip from Maverick I also watched the Stanford/Washington match. I concur with the thought that both teams are beatable by UH. I just hope we don’t have to play Washington on their court again.

  68. rage777 November 13, 2015 6:06 am

    I don’t know how the SSC is now, but if you were there when the SSC first opened that was electric. Even in Klum sweating profusely was a great environment, hearing Tee’s shot bounce off the floor up close.

    The SSC opened at the exact right moment in UH sports. With Angelica, Yuval, Alika and AC, Nani and BJ, etc all playing in the first few years of the opening.

  69. kahuna November 13, 2015 8:26 am

    I thought Greeley was going to give beach a shot. Saw her and Maglio hanging around the sand court and working out quite a bit. Guess Kalei’s chronic shoulder problems is too much.

    Working out in the sand could help her with her vertical.

  70. kahuna November 13, 2015 8:28 am

    ^^^^^^^^last season. I meant to say.

  71. Cindy Luis November 13, 2015 8:36 am

    56. It’s a money thing. they don’t necessarily split it up 50 percent, meaning in men’s volleyball that it would give 9 players 50 percent of a scholarship. Some players have gotten a full ride and they divvy up the rest.
    don’t know what you mean about where the other half goes. The NCAA limits men’s volleyball to 4.5 scholarships. That’s the max. Doesn’t mean all programs are fully funded. And then you have some players such as Umlauft who was able to get academic scholarship money so it freed up money for other players

  72. Cindy Luis November 13, 2015 8:41 am

    57. hard to say how much beach (formerly known as sand) draws. Last year first year with campus courts. Free admission, bleacher seating. They also play at Queen’s which draws a different crowd. A lot of tourists walking by.
    Sounds like Hall will be making a push to get students to come out to campus matches.
    It’s an emerging sport that will be in its first year of NCAA championship status after being under the AVCA aegis for the past few years. Hawaii one of the first to offer the max scholarships from the beginning. it was went from 3 to 4 to 5 and now capped at 6.

  73. Cindy Luis November 13, 2015 8:44 am

    59. Iosia told me Wednesday she was 5-11. doesn’t mean she isn’t 6-0 when in shoes.
    65. she also said it was always UH from when she was little.
    69. Greeley never said she’d play beach, partly because of her shoulder. You may have seen her with Maglio, her roommate and best friend. They are pretty much inseparable.
    All the indoor players work out on the sand as cross training in spring.

  74. Cindy Luis November 13, 2015 9:05 am

    They are looking at the top ‘local’ indoor players. But they don’t need another setter. I thought the ‘Iolani setter is good but no room. Sometimes it’s about the mutual interest as well.

    Maverick suggest if you want to post your various links do it individually instead of doing more than one.

    New link up for Friday

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