Sunday checkin
Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.
had a busy Saturday and early Sunday so just getting to this.
updated Saturday scores, quite the wild finish for Long Beach State-Cal Poly
30) Long Beach State def. Cal Poly 25-27, 14-25, 25-21, 25-23, 19-17
Standings
Hawaii 8-0
Long Beach 7-2
Cal Poly 7-2
UC Davis 6-4
CSUN 4-4
UCI 4-5
UC Riverside 2-7
UCSB 2-7
Fullerton 0-8
Sunday
1. USC def. 25) Oregon 25-18, 25-18, 25-16
10. UCLA def. Oregon Stae, 25-16, 25-21, 19-25, 23-25, 15-6
14) Arizona def. Utah, 25-17, 25-14, 25-17
15. Florida def. Missouri 25-12, 25-14, 25-17
17. Florida State def. Boston College, 25-18, 25-22, 25-14
19. Purdue def. No. 18 Illinois, 24-26, 22-25, 25-22, 25-22, 15-11
21. Kentucky def. Ole Miss, 25-20, 25-18, 25-23
22. Western Kentucky def. Florida Atlantic, 25-18, 25-12, 25-20.
Saturday
3) Nebraska lost to 16) Wisconsin 25-22, 17-25, 19-25, 22-25
5) Penn State def. Michigan State 25-23, 25-22, 25-17
6) Ohio State def. 23) Michigan 25-23, 23-25, 28-26, 28-26
9) Minnesota def. Iowa 25-17, 25-15, 27-25
12) BYU lost to Loyola Marymount 23-25, 25-19, 16-25, 25-23, 12-15
13) Arizona State def. Colorado 25-21, 8-25, 25-12, 25-23
20) Colorado State def. Utah State 25-18, 25-19, 25-11
24) Louisville def. Virginia 25-22, 25-12, 25-21
also
26) San Diego def. Pepperdine 25-17, 25-20, 27-25
Big West
30) Long Beach State def. Cal Poly 25-27, 14-25, 25-21, 25-23, 19-17
UC Davis def. Cal State Fullerton 25-18, 25-23, 25-14
UC Irvine def. UC Riverside 25-23, 25-22, 25-19
Step on the court with anyone – seriously, does ranking really matter? Bring it and let’s see what you got.
Nice interview of Nickki on Leahey & Leahey on Saturday, Oct. 24th. She is such a good representative for our Wahine team. Tai’s name came up, again, as a person that is a great teammate and support. Her name keeps popping up as a person who other teammates turn to for advice and friendship. She seems to be the “glue” that connects this great team. Kudos to Tai for being there and weathering all the negative comments.
Everyone is proud of the Wahine, win or lose. But let’s face it, no one wants to see their team step on the court and and lose one or two remaining BW games. Or play timid because it’s number one USC or Stanford. Or Washington. This year, I don’t think there is anyone out there that does not believe this team is good enough to win every time they step on the court. The next time you watch the final four teams play, look in their eyes and faces, and tell me what you see. The only ranking that matters is the one after the national championship is played. And that’s true even if you did not make it to the championship. Just my point of view and nothing else.
Rankings do matter in the sense that they subject the team to the opinions of all the important AVCA coaches. Dave is getting the respect of his fellow coaches due to his long time success. If the Wahine consistently were a mediocre team, such as 20-11 every year, then attendance would be down. Of course we want our RPI to be as high as possible, except it makes sense for our RPI to be 26, because besides Long Beach State, there isn’t a few more consistent big name volleyball schools in our conference. If the UH were in the Pac-12, we would consistently average 5 losses a year, unless we could recruit a powerhouse full of players like USC apparently has done so.
Sleepless night in Honoruru: The day is coming in post season play when we will see TMO, Granato, Higgins in the front row and C. Marie in the back row at the same time on the same court. Chris Kringle early yule tide cheer? Or Gibb Arnold-Norm Chow fear?
#1 comment was intended to be a general one, directed to no one in particular, but think it’s a good mindset to have when looking across the net. My apologies.
For anyone who wants to take the time to read this, what should our beginning RPI be next year if we were to win the national championship this year?
Reggie, think you may be misunderstanding my earlier post so I should explain it better. What I should have said is that you have to have the mindset to win. And I back it up because this team is capable of doing just that. Of course, having the respect of fellow coaches matter. But at the end of the day, those same coaches have one objective – win. And of course, I say that objective should not be one “at any cost”. Would be the first to say that Nikki needed to rest and probably should not have played out the match that night. Her health and well being is first and foremost, and I wouldn’t want to win at her expense at any time. Even if it was the national championship game. But doesn’t every coach know that what really matters as to recruiting, etc., is winning and having coaches that they know will help them be their best and look out for their best interests?
Also, parents who allow their children to come out all the way to Hawaii probably do so because they are respecting their wish to play here. And to have the opportunity to play for a respected program as Reggie pointed out earlier. But if we are to compete with the power conferences, we have to develop a culture of winning and knowing how to win. And giving the assurance to parents that when their kids do come out here to play, they will be given every opportunity they deserve, on and off the court.
7. Easy, we already know the answer. The RPI score will be zero, the same for all teams at the beginning of the season.
#7, maybe zero for everyone, but would it be number 36 after week 1?
No one has any clue at this point. RPI is meaningless without a sufficient number of matches played. Hence partly why the first RPI ranking isn’t released until October.
#12, if we aren’t in the top RPI rankings (assuming of course we are winning) in October, then you would have a good case to argue that the RPI rankings must, and not just should, change. Somehow, I think if we were winning, Hawaii would be ranked right up their in RPI, whether it made sense by the numbers or not. If not, you should make your case to argue RPI reform, and everyone will stand behind you.
Tennessee started the season 14-0 and had an RPI in the 80s. Winning is just part of the formula. And to repeat what I’ve stated ad nauseum, RPI is not measure of team quality/strength or a reliable predictor of how well a team will perform.
At least you can try to argue your point with the NCAA. Unlike business, where you learn quickly that you do more listening than talking, and if you’re lucky, you get five minutes to make your case. Or just get thanked for your time if they feel you don’t have anything to offer them.
NCAA adopted following: Non Predetermined Sites 2016 –
Moving to non-predetermined regional sites allows for a potential increase in attendance, an enhanced student-athlete experience, and competitive rewards (with institutions earning the right to host). Sites would be selected after first- and second-round competition is completed. The highest-seeded team remaining in each quadrant of the bracket would host the regional. The bid process would be conducted in conjunction with the current process for first- and second-round sites.
Hence, winning is important?
Or are the power conference business models already here or coming?
UH’s estimated RPI is at 22 currently, so expect a slight rise in the official rankings tomorrow. AVCA rank should be seven or six.
On the basis of the highest remaining seed after the second round, if the 2016 amendment were effective last year, Hawaii would have hosted a regional as a non-predetermined site if they had beaten Washington? Are seeds based solely on RPI as well?
Checked 2014 RPI and compared to regional seedings. Not consistent if I am looking at this correctly. There must be other criteria that weigh heavily in the final seedings for each region.
Well, after spending hours on this today, I am tired and concluded that when you compare the RPI to the final seedings for regionals, it seems the RPI goes out the window. For example, over the past years, how do you get teams that have never been to the final four in the same region as say Penn State? So if the NCAA is so bent on the RPI, their final seedings should reflect that. Maybe they can try to remedy things by starting with the non-pre determined sites for regionals in 2016 and use some common sense when seeding the teams. Or maybe not.
If I saw me posting this many times, I would stop paying attention already. But, just for the record, if you aren’t seeded to begin with, which predicates that you aren’t in a conference with some RPI behind it, then you are not hosting. Neither the 1st or 2nd, nor the regional. So, what are the options? Simplest would be – give at least 75% of RPI weighting throughout the next season to how you did in the last NCAA tournament.
So using your weighting on past successes in the NCAA tournament, the Wahine as an example, did not get past the 2nd round the past three seasons, so their RPI is somewhere between 17 and 32?
nomu, u have posted a lot of comments and I read your reply to mine. I been a Wahine fan since 1986. When they won the title in 1987, I became more of fan. When I got Karrie Trieschmann’s autograph in 1989, I became a fan for life. As u say, if Dave had not won and kept on winning over the years, most of us would not keep on going to Wahine matches. I would like Dave to get into the Pac-12 conference except I don’t think the AD is ready to make a pitch for it. Dave’s program has been linked in its success to Pacific, Stanford, Long Beach State, USC, Texas, Nebraska and Penn State, all of whom have won National Championships. Both Pacific and Long Beach State, long time conference rivals, have fallen off the AVCA rankings picture, which is unfortunate. Hawaii has kept on being a presence in the AVCA poll. UCLA won its most recent title after being ranked ending the regular season 9th. We always have hope, even though we have not won since 1987. If that’s the way the cards are dealt, then we just take it that the 1987 would be the most famous UH championship team, because that’s the last one that UH has ever won, in any sport. It won’t be a cakewalk to win another title, except this year’s team appears to have the ingredients to go “all the way”, so let’s pray. Besides Dave has a score to settle with Mick Haley of USC, after Mick won his first title at Texas in 1988.
UH is officially 23 in the latest NCAA RPI.
https://rpiarchive.ncaa.org/Stats%20Library/VB%20Nitty%20Gritty%20thru%20Oct%2025%202015.pdf
#24……..I hate to tell you but the PAC 12 is a fantasy. UH has been talking about joining this conference for years. Its not abou UH ready to make a pitch or not…….its about whether tthey want us or not. UH have been begging and even offering to pay travel subsidy to get into the conference. I would be willing to bet my house that UH probably talk to PAC 12 reps every year to gauze their interest in UH. A conference is not going to admit a school like UH base on a hall of fame volleyball coach.
Kind of interesting you want UH to join the PAC 12 and risk UH losing more games…….thus losing fans like yourself.
UH is in a conference where they belong. We will be at a HUGE disadvantage recruiting-wise and facility-wise in the PAC 12 and would be a bottom feeder. We are able to win a game or two every year against these school at home but if we have to travel to USC….UCLA…..Stanford every year….we are going to be in trouble.
Dreaming big is not always a good thing. I rather we do the smart thing.
Latest AVCA poll has the Wahine at #6.
25. 27.
thanks. have it up on new thread
http://hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=33935
26. UH has wanted to be in the Pac-10, now the Pac-12, since Stan Sheriff’s days in the 90s. They apparently weren’t too far off from potentially getting in when Sheriff died in 93.
Yes UH would be at a disadvantage now in recruiting and facilities but if they got into the conference, it would mean Pac-12 money which then allows them to do the upgrades needed to compete in the conference.