Hawaii down a spot to 11 in RPI

Texas still No. 1 followed by Penn State and Washington



  1. Brandon November 25, 2013 12:23 pm

    I have a question. Say hawaii diddnt play riverside and Fullerton. Would that still affect their rpi for the second part the same way if they did play them?

  2. Cindy Luis November 25, 2013 12:32 pm

    Other UH opponents
    15. San Diego
    16. Creighton
    24. Arizona
    38. CSU Northridge
    42 UCLA
    46. Wichita State
    57. Northwestern
    59 UC Santa Barbara
    84. Portland State
    85. Long Beach state
    89. UC Irvine
    94. New Mexico State
    130 Santa Clara
    131 South Dakota
    150 UC Davis
    151 UTEP
    162 Cal Poly
    195 CSU Fullerton
    288 UC Riverside

  3. vbfan November 25, 2013 12:59 pm

    Rich Kern’s projected RPI has Hawaii falling to 15 assuming wins against Riverside and Fullerton. 16 is Creighton and 17 is Colorado State

    If that’s the case I think they host. I don’t see the committee picking either Creighton or Colorado State over Hawaii. Hawaii has the head to head over Creighton and I think they also have more bad losses than Hawaii as well.

    Colorado State has played a weak schedule and haven’t played a single top 25 RPI team. I don’t see them jumping over Hawaii for a hosting spot either.

  4. Volleyball fan November 25, 2013 1:13 pm

    So far no comments on AVCA ranking? I was surprised that Stanford with five losses surpassed the undefeated team of Missouri that won twice against the Florida Gators and also Washington which they beat recently but lost to previously and Washington has the inside track to the PAC12 title. It just comes to show that the AVCA has bias in favor of Stanford.

  5. Cubicle1126 November 25, 2013 1:24 pm

    volleyball fan — it’s called the “stanford mystique” … 😉

  6. Warriorfan November 25, 2013 1:25 pm

    .3 If Utah qualifies and with BYU already in. They might just decide to stick them both and Hawaii in Fort Collins.

    I won’t get my hopes up for hosting.

  7. Warriorfan November 25, 2013 1:27 pm

    4. Maybe coaches aren’t impressed with both Missouri and florida, Missouri’s best wins are over Florida.

  8. Brandon November 25, 2013 1:30 pm

    7.florida isn’t a team to take lightly. People bash the sec but Florida is a tough team and Missouri is final four potential. But I think penn, Texas or Washington will take it this year

  9. hollycow November 25, 2013 1:30 pm

    UH dropped to 11, because Marquette jumped from 13 to 10. Marquette ?????

  10. Brandon November 25, 2013 1:30 pm

    Or the wahine! If they continue to play good they have a good shot

  11. Brandon November 25, 2013 1:31 pm

    9. Marquette had a brutal pre conference schedule I think. So did creighton

  12. Cubicle1126 November 25, 2013 2:19 pm

    marquette did have a tough non-conference schedule. they played byu, usc, penn st and florida. they lost all of them.

    their best non-conference win is against central arkansas. but they have a schedule that rpi favors…

  13. hollycow November 25, 2013 2:30 pm

    11, 12, yes I know about their early schedule, but losing to all of them getting beat up rates them a high rating amongst the top D1 schools? The RPI system needs some overhaul. Schools like Marquette just because they scheduled top ten teams and losing to them all are bumping down in RPI teams that are more deserving to host.

  14. Andrew November 25, 2013 2:32 pm


    If their projected RPI after the last two games is 15, no way Hawaii hosts. Colorado State will easily be chosen above Hawaii. They’ll be at #15 and when the final poll comes out, they’re gonna magically be #17 all of a sudden. They’ll say their reason is the 3 losses in conference.

  15. Cubicle1126 November 25, 2013 2:42 pm

    andrew — if hawaii finishes at 15 in the rpi, colorado st will/should have a hard time displacing hawaii as a seed, if the committee adheres to the seeding selection criteria. colorado st has played nobody in the top 25 of the rpi, whereas hawaii is 3-1 against top 25 rpi teams.

  16. Andrew November 25, 2013 2:55 pm


    Yeah of course Hawaii is more deserving, but the big emphasis is on IF the committee adheres to the seeding selection criteria and when it comes to Hawaii, they moreso do not.

  17. Warriorfan November 25, 2013 3:00 pm

    Marquette being seeded will be a joke, and certainly every non seeded top team like Cal, possibly UH, Illinois, etc will LOVE to be sent to Marquette ( if they host)

  18. Cubicle1126 November 25, 2013 3:14 pm

    i don’t know if it’s necessarily the committee “not” adhering to the selection criteria when it comes to hawaii, so much as the selection criteria not always working in hawaii’s favor.

    we know how good the hawaii teams traditionally are. but the over-reliance on rpi (with it’s regional biases) doesn’t always favor hawaii.

  19. hollycow November 25, 2013 3:20 pm

    Look at the polls, Kern, AVCA, and Pablo, Marquette highest ranking is 24 in the AVCA. RPI needs overhaul.Marquette is RPI smart but a joke, I’m sure the selection committee sees that scheduling “cheating” and will consider using other means to rate the seedings. Hopefully.

  20. vbfan November 25, 2013 3:29 pm

    Hawaii has a legitimate gripe if Colorado State is seeded over Hawaii. I hope Shoji calls out the committee for its hypocrisy if this happens.

    Last year Kentucky leapfrogged over Hawaii for a seed since it was argued that although Hawaii had a better RPI, Kentucky played a tougher schedule and had a better nitty gritty. After this I don’t see how the committee can with a straight face leapfrog Colorado State over Hawaii because they have a better record but worse RPI and a worse nitty gritty than Hawaii.

    In fact don’t be surprised to see Colorado State sent to Hawaii, just like they were in 2011.

  21. pacesetterhawaii November 25, 2013 3:31 pm

    17 I agree with you. Marquette right now is 24 AVCA, 28 RichKern and 33 Pablo. And their RPI 10? I don’t get it.

  22. pacesetterhawaii November 25, 2013 3:53 pm

    The different polls has Hawaii almost in coformity with Hawaii’s 11 RPI – AVCA 12, RichKern 11, and Pablo 8. If Hawaii win their last 2 games, I don’t see any reason for them not being seeded.

  23. Brandon November 25, 2013 4:18 pm

    I agree with everyone saying marquette shouldnt be that high. The RPI is a flawed system and needs major overhaul, but i was meerly stating why marquette was ranked so high

  24. Cindy Luis November 25, 2013 5:25 pm

    4. comments on the poll are on the other thread … which about staying No. 12.

  25. Cindy Luis November 25, 2013 5:33 pm

    5 Or could be that Stanford swept Washington this past week?

  26. Cubicle1126 November 25, 2013 6:03 pm

    cindy — true, stanford washington swept washington. and yes, the avca poll is, admittedly, very reactionary … more reflective of week-to-week results, rather than season-to-date body of work.

    stanford may very well be the #3 team in the country, but they’re ahead of washington (who’s in first place in the pac-12, and as a practical matter, the two teams split this season), and they’re ahead of usc, who stanford lost to twice. very few programs will end up at the #3 spot on the avca poll after that kind of a resume … maybe save for stanford … hence the “stanford mystique” … 😉

  27. OrbitalRipZ November 25, 2013 9:57 pm

    ~~ From the WHO CARES! Department ~~
    On the Last Publicly Released NCAA RPI Before Selection Sunday

    RPI # 1-10 = 95% seeding certainty

    RPI # 11-12 = 75% seeding certainty = hosting unless proven to be not host worthy

    RPI # 13-25 = 50-50 or on the “bubble” for seeding = not hosting unless proven to be host worthy

    [Note 1: This year the Volleyball Committee will consider seeding any top 25 team in the AVCA Poll, Pablo Rankings, or RichKern Poll that is not among the top 25 RPI. Thus, the following teams are eligible for seeding consideration but don’t hold your breath: #30 California (Pablo Rankings #17) and #61 St. Mary’s (Pablo Rankings #14).]

    [Note 2: If a team that’s eligible for seeding consideration is NOT seeded, that does not necessarily mean it will automatically receive an at-large bid (e.g. St. Mary’s).]

    BIG TEN [12 conf. teams]
    RPI # 1-10 = 2 hosting [#2 Penn State, #8 Nebraska]
    RPI # 11-12 = 0
    RPI # 13-25 = 3 teams are on the “bubble” and could be hosting 1 of the 16 subregionals [#13 Minnesota, #14 Wisconsin, #17 Illinois]
    FYI: Nebraska and Illinois are 2 of the 4 predetermined regionals

    PAC-12 [12 conf. teams]
    RPI # 1-10 = 3 hosting [#3Washington, #6 USC, #7 Stanford]
    RPI # 11-12 = 0
    RPI # 13-25 = 2 [#24 Arizona, #25 Oregon]
    FYI: Southern California is 1 of the 4 predetermined regionals

    SEC/SOUTHEASTERN [13 conf. teams]
    RPI # 1-10 = 3 hosting [#4 Florida, undefeated #5 Missouri, #9 Kentucky]
    RPI # 11-12 = 0
    RPI # 13-25 = 0
    FYI: Kentucky is 1 of the 4 predetermined regionals

    BIG 12 [12 conf. members]
    RPI # 1-10 = 1 hosting [#1 Texas]
    RPI # 11-12 = 1 [#12 Kansas]
    RPI # 13-25 = 2 [#22 Iowa State, #23 Oklahoma]

    ACC/ATLANTIC COAST [15 conf. members]
    RPI # 1-10 = 0
    RPI # 11-12 = 0
    RPI # 13-25 = 3 [#18 Duke, #19 Florida State, # 21 North Carolina]
    FYI: Conf. standings heading into the final week: 1/Duke (16-2), 2/N. Carolina (15-3), and 3/Florida St (14-3)

    BIG EAST [9 conf. teams]
    RPI # 1-10 = 1 hosting [#10 Marquette]
    RPI # 11-12 = 0
    RPI # 13-25 = 1 [#16 Creighton]
    FYI: Big East has its conf. championship tournament Nov 29-30: Seed 1/Marquette (15-1) vs Seed 4/Butler (11-5) and Seed 2/Creighton (12-4) vs Seed 3/Xavier (12-4)

    BIG WEST [9 conf. teams]
    RPI # 1-10 = 0
    RPI # 11-12 = 1 [#11 Hawaii]
    RPI # 13-25 = 0
    FYI: #59 UCSB must win the conf. title or it has no chance for an at-large bid; #38 CSUN may see its sun setting on Selection Sunday

    WEST COAST/WCC [10 conf. teams]
    RPI # 1-10 = 0
    RPI # 11-12 = 0
    RPI # 13-25 = 1 [#15 San Diego]

    RPI #1-10 = 0
    RPI # 11-12 = 0
    RPI # 13-25 = 1 [undefeated #20 Colorado State]

    Commentary: In spite of what you hear from the TV commentator — “everywhere you look across the country … teams that are suppose to be winning are losing” — this has been a sameold sameold ending to the regular season as far as the winners are concerned.

    Texas was ranked #1 in the national preseason poll and guess where it is ranked at the end of the regular season. [Conf. coaches picked Iowa St to finish second and Kansas third in the Big 12 but Kansas (12-3) should clinch second ahead of Iowa St (11-3) in the final week.]

    PSU was ranked #2 in the national preseason poll and guess where it is ranked at the end of the regular season. [Conf. coaches chose Minnesota and Nebraska to finish behind the Nittany Lions, but it looks like Nebraska will take second followed by Minnesota in the final Big Ten standings.] Note: In 2012, the Big Ten had a contingent of 7 conf. teams in the Big Dance.

    Stanford, USC, and Washington were ranked #3, #4, and #5 in the national preseason poll, and all three will end the regular season in the RPI top 7. [7 Pac-12 teams earned NCAA Championship tournament bids in 2012.]

    There were only 2 surprises, but by the end of the regular season these weren’t surprises at all as unstoppable Missouri was expected to run the table (and it did) and UH/Stella was expected to find her groove back (and it did).

    In the SEC, in which the conf. coaches picked Florida to finish first overall, followed by Kentucky and Missouri, Mizzou (in its 2nd year in the SEC), dominated team after team. Nevertheless, all 3 teams finished in the RPI top 10, and so the SEC coaches were off only in their preseason ranking of the 3, not in their selection of the top 3. [For the records, yours truly was the first on this blog to call attention to Mizzou — weeks before the Star-Advertiser writer wrote on this team.]

    And in the Big West, in which Hawai’i was expected to romp, the conf. dominance of the Rainbow Wahine came to an end, only to return with a vengence at the end of the regular season.

  28. Dan-O November 26, 2013 9:52 am

    Its never been a matter of what is fair and just, or sensible for that matter. Our Wahine will continue to slide down the polls, and will not host.

    No matter….the seniors need to will this team not to lose.

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