Hawaii back in poll at 25
http://www.avca.org/divisions/division-one-women/poll-9-22-14di/
shouldn’t be a surprise, especially given the horrendous week former No. 25 Michigan State had. USD fell from 19 to 24
the teams that have beaten Hawaii:
Oregon 9-0 up a spot to 13
Arizona State (10-2) down a spot to 19
UCLA (9-2) up 2 spots to 20
Top 3 stay the same: Stanford, Texas, Penn State
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Go Bows ! or Wahine .
Yes…I expected it to be so but you never know with the voters nowadays…But good to see us back in it.
Sorry I am out of the loop, but what happened to Jane Croson? Not listed on the Arizona indoor/beach roster. I had thought I had read about her at LBSU, but no.
3. There was a rumor that she would be at The Beach but she is not. Not enrolled in school anywhere at the moment. Don’t know if you’ll ever see her play collegiately again.
you might be able to go through the blog archives for the thread on Croson from August.
#3. What you stated is all that anyone seems to know about Jane Croson. Dropped out at UH and Arizona. Speculation abounds about her future plans on VT, one you mentioned LBSU and others regarding playing professional on the Beach circuit.
Sorry to disagree but Michigan State has little to do with the recent “respect” AVCA has handed to UH. This is a top 10 team and the pollsters (coaches) have come to realize it after looking at the NAU stat sheets. (It is not the magnitude of the numbers but the location that tell the story!) Now, the coaches (AVCA) know that Shoji finally “gets” (understands) it! After UH sweeps the BW expect them to make a deep run into the post-season.
Sort of early in the season, but the national stats are out today. There are some Hawaii names in the lists. As expected Olivia Magill leads the way, 11th in blocks per set, 28th in total blocks, and 32nd in hitting percentage. Tai Manu-Olevao is 6th in aces per set, and Tayler Higgins is 12th. As a team Hawaii is seventh in the nation in terms of blocks per set. Looks like blocking and serving will be Hawaii’s strong point this year, as long as they keep down the service errors.
6. I disagree with you here. You give too much credit to the pollsters–they don’t look at stat sheets when voting and often it is an assistant who recommends the vote order to the head coach. And the coaches are far too busy to watch UH’s matches to determine whether Shoji now “gets it” now versus the beginning of the season.
Given the team’s youth, it is not a given that UH will sweep (UH didn’t last year and they had a better and more experienced team). Nor am I willing to state that a deep tournament run is in the cards. It’s good to be optimistic and supportive of the team, but we also need to be realistic with our expectations. Personally, I am looking forward to the season two years from now when the many of the current players are juniors/seniors, Mitchem is a senior, and Castillo is a soph. That looks to be a very good team, assuming no injuries or transfers out.
Startling national stats are about Stanford’s middles. Merete Lutz, the 6’8″ freshman, is leading the nation in hitting percentage at .577 while her team mate Inky Ajanaku, the All-American, is 5th at .510. I have seen Lutz on TV; she sure is scary as a freshman. So very tall, and hard to stop offensively and slowly improving as a blocker.
Rich Kern’s RKPI has Hawaii at No. 6
He’s usually been pretty close to what the national RPI is.
Pablo has UH at No. 17.
5. From what I’ve been told, I seriously doubt you’ll see her play collegiately again.
And that likely her future is pro beach. if she plays again
Wahine need to focus on the BWC that has become a pesky trap door for the lady bows. This wahine team needs to show and develop strong character. And not an arrogantly embedded attitude as a result of the shogun’s appointment….otherwise they will melt down quicker than a Puna forest. What we have seen in the last two games are possibilities. What we have not seen in 1/3 of this season is the sweat n grit to grind it out in a slugfest and deliver a knock out punch… So far, when challenged, this team has folded like a deck of chairs. Shoji must continue to play his freshman-Kendra, Huff, Maglio. Get everyone involved. Keep it honest. Raise the bar. Stoke the youthful energy… Especially at the setter position and in the back row. Like to see more of Baby G. She is a prototype. Sui generis. unique. one of a kind.
We start off on the road with the bottom 2 in BWC preseason play–UCD and Riverside. Shock n Awe. hoo RAH! Go Bows!
Guinasso and Kahakai the two not making the road trip. so the DS are Ponce and Anderson.
I don’t agree with that. I think Baby G is better than both Ponce and Anderson. Oh well.
I’m actually really surprised by the RPI. if UH wins out they actually have a shot at hosting, which blows my mind, Of course they may not because they don’t really have a top 25 rpi win.
Magill was 6th in blocking last week, She didn’t really have a great weekend against NAU.
6. Not sure what you mean about Shoji finally getting it. What he finally got was Taylor back in the lineup.
12. and, please, as others have asked, enough with the Shogun references.
I haven’t seen the team fold. They were down 2-0 to ASU, pushed it to a fifth. Bad call in the UCLA match or they would have won Set 1.
They have not gotten blown out in their losses. and all 3 teams that beat them are ranked with a combined record of 28-4. So credit should go to the other teams as well.
NAU stayed away from Magill. And on the second night they stacked the block on her. NAU coach was very impressed with her.
I don’t think UH will host and don’t expect that 6 in the RKPI to stay there. The Big West is not very good, outside of UH, CSUN and Long Beach. But as long as UCLA, ASU and Oregon keep winning, it helps Hawaii.
14…..what are you basing your observations on? Due to Shoji playing all the DS’s, we haven’t really seen much of them.
did UH submit Tai as BW player of the week?
UC Irvine’s Marisa Bubica… got it…
With regards as to who of the DS making the road trip and with Kahakai being out, I would rather have Guinasso and Ponce. IMHO, both perform better than Anderson.
@Maverick: FYI the NAU coach is a pollster, and he did look at the stat sheet. Many of the top coaches are on the poll and they always check the stat sheet.
@LanaiBoy: 1) Correct theory/strategy 2) Talent in the right places
@Cindy Luis: Google current volleyball theory Shoji did, and first employed it in the NAU matches. If you still don’t understand ask Chris Mclaughlin.
@Cindy Luis: Shoji has an antidote for the stacking on Magill, he just didn’t use it.
You could tell which DS was going to stay at home, just look at the sets played in the stats. Although Gianna has good service stats.
As far as what DS goes on certain trips, Shoji is rotating who stays. This trip takes UH to Davis up near Sacramento and Riverside, outskirts of east LA. Gianna is from Huntington Beach so she naturally would rather go on the next trip to LA, at Northridge and Long Beach and also to Irvine and Fullerton late Oct and Nov 1.
24. I hope that is the case. I feel Guinasso is the best out of the three DS’s
25. It is. Dave has, if circumstances would allow, tried to accommodate his mainland girls so that their family can see their daughter play. IMO I don’t think Gianna, Clare or Ana has separated themselves from the other two by a significant margin to merit going on every trip, such as Sarah and Savannah have done as of now.
Oh wow I think Gianna thought that she would be on this trip, she mentioned it on one of her social media places to someone she was missing.
Maybe she thought that the whole team traveled ?
22. Come back to reality please. The coaches do not check the stat sheets when voting. They don’t have the time. And the NAU coach checked it because it was his team that played…it is his job.
Cindy, counting Toyota the wahine are 0-2 in 5-set matches. I don’t measure success with IFS and could-have-beens. You do…and allow for soft landings.
Either way, this team has yet to show grit in outcome. Unless you’re playing horseshoes.
BTW, that’s a ROGER and WILCO on shogun. OUT.
#24, thanks for sharing. Although both Ponce and Anderson are local girls and presupposed to have family in Hawaii. It appears Shoji hasn’t made up his mind.
Not only do the coaches probably not check stats, some coaches have their SID vote for them.
kimo b, The current lineup did not start in any of the losses. You as most fans know the “real” Wahine team didn’t show up until Nikki came back. The evaluation of how they’ve performed should begin from there.
Glad you’re giving up that shogun thing. You may have thought it was humorous but it really made you look pompous. Like you were talking down to Shoji and the rest of us here.
tossup. I got to apologize to you about what I posted about the color of the ribbons on the “Aunties” leis. I have no idea what color the ribbons were. Really thought you knew I was just pulling your leg. I was expecting a totally different response.
20 If you go to bigwest.org and click on athlete of week you can see all three players UH nominated for the week: Manu-Olevao, Greeley and Mendoza
22. He did have a plan for the stacking on Magill. They set the pins.
24. Don’t know if that’s the case. Asked Shoji who he was taking and why. He said it was a coach’s decision. no mention of ‘rotating’ who goes although he has done that in the past.
29. I wouldn’t count Toyota at all. it was an exhibition with a lot of different lineups giving both teams a chance to play their entire rosters. Hawaii would have won Set 1 25-23 except for a bad call on Greeley Instead it was tied at 24, Toyota went on to win 27-25.
I can understand that Kahakai not going on trip but there must be some reason other than her athleticism. IMO Baby G looks like the best DO and maybe could even play libero….That is puzzling! Baby Gift just looks more athletic than the other DS. Ponce and Anderson are good, but IMO Baby G… from her very limited playing time on court reminds me of a steady Greeley and looks dependable like as a Freshman. That is just what i observe, but the coaches must have their reasons. Are all three DS walking for indoor. Baby “G” is on scholarship for sand volleyball. Hmm
Are all three DS walk ons for indoor?
Guinasso is a walk on for both.
34 et al. agree. are there other issues? baby g is the best among the three DS.
i’ve been wondering why she was’nt used more. any ideas cindy?
Baby G has the most aggressive demeanor and a strongest physical presence of the three DS that somehow instills a certain measure of confidence. Nevertheless, I have not seen enough. I actually thought Ponce served and dug well in the last game. To me, it is yet to be determine.
34. Can’t be on a sand scholarship and play indoor.
I agree with all that Baby G has looked the best and has the most steady and toughest serve. Plus it’s her only season playing indoor so I am rooting for her. IMO Anderson should be redshirting.
In conclusion that’s why I am a bleacher coach and the real coaches see them all on a daily basis and know all of them better than me. Expressing and judging a concern from what we view on court, who plays, and travels doesn’t always explain the whole spectrum of any individual athlete. The real coaches knows each athlete physically, mentally, and academically. If we all can agree to disagree agreeably in our opinions without bashing anyone is tasteful. I know every athlete is giving their trying to perform their best. Social media like this where we can express our views can be good or evil….This is the generation we live in…No matter what, I will support and love our volleyball team no matter what….GO BOWS!!
34. not understanding the ‘other than athleticism’ comment. Kahakai is injured, out for maybe another 2 weeks.
nor do I understand the hmmm. all the DSs are walk-ons. no one can be on a sand scholarship and play indoors.
37. Only thing I can think of is Guinasso’s had her hand taped pretty heavily. might be a factor.
They can only take 14. IF Kahakai were healthy, they’d be leaving Anderson and Guinasso behind.
I did ask Shoji ‘why Ponce.’ he said that they are scoring the most when she serves.
40. Anderson can’t redshirt since she’s already played.
Am a little surprised by the support of Guinasso over the other DSs when comparing their playing time. She’s served 39 times in 13 sets, 3 digs.
Ponce 57 times in 16 sets, 4 digs, and Anderson 39 times in 20 sets. 4 digs
if you want to see all the stats
http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/custompages/Stats/Wvb/2014/teamcume.htm
there’s always something new that the creepers on this board have to harp about. now it’s why gianna isn’t on the travel roster LOL
now I understand why I continue to post less and less each season.
@ 42…”Am a little surprised by the support of Guinasso over the other DSs when comparing their playing time”.
There is a widely accepted maxim in American sports, “you cant coach speed”.
June Jones always recognized a gift.
What baby G possesses is a very keen eye to foot instinct. If you cant see it…well, best rent out a Redford classic from netflix called the “Natural”. If that doesn’t work, go to batting cage and turn up the speed dial to 90mph. It may be humiliating to those adept at reading and writing, but we are not all made up to be physically equal. Stats don’t always show that.
kimo, I don’t get your point in #44. Exactly what are you trying to say.
43. You’re weird. If you wouldn’t post anymore no one would miss anything.
What’s surprising about Guinnaso? She has more serves in less sets played than Anderson, that means the team scores more when she serves which is why she has more serves,again I don’t get why Shoji is taking Anderson when Guinnaso is a better server.
Cindy, someone mentioned that Guinasso would be playing indoors only this year and will be a sand-only player in the coming seasons. Is there any truth to that?
42…sorry I left out a whole section about knowing that Kahakai was injured but Baby G being left home but obviously it not for the lack of her athleticism.
Sorry I just wasn’t clear about Guinasso being on scholar for sand… Whatever the coaches decide on playing must be for great reasons
I wonder if it would be possible for UH to push back by one month the match with the Queenseis to mid-October from the late pre-season? This would give UH a non-BWC perspective on UH’s mid-season development.
Baby G might have a slight edge on the other LBS now but if I am the coach I will travel and develop players who will be with me for four years.
Cindy, is the #6 RKPI a misprint? I see UH @ #24.
RickKern Poll #24
Pablo Ranking #17
RKPI Ranking #6
AVCA Poll #25
52. seasider: I thought that RKPI is Rich Kern’s product.
Can a system that arrived at a rating of #6, which is vastly optimistic compared to the others, be trusted?
Someone at Ohio State replicates the RPI:
http://ohiomcginn.dyndns-at-home.com/ncaastats/volleyball-rpi.cgi#
Interestingly, UH at #4. Oregon at 3, UCLA at 13, CSUN at 17, LBSU at 40 and ASU at 49. But things will change with conference season starting; will be particularly beneficial for the RPIs of the power conference teams–particularly BIG10 and PAC12.
po’okela #43
Shakespeare “full of sound and fury”
It sounds good–full of passion, full of excitement–but once the words are written, there isn’t much to it, signifying nothing . There are many words but in the end, nothing important has been said. It is all for nothing and changes nothing.
So – don’t take the comments to heart! 🙂
44. Was just asking why there was such support for her vs. the other DSs. by others. I said earlier in the season that it surprised me that he’s gone with Ponce and sometimes Anderson over her. Wanted to get some feedback as to why others felt this way since, if you just go on playing time, there hasn’t been much difference
47. Yes, i mentioned that a while back. That’s my understanding, she is indoor only for a season. Sort of like Katie Spieler, although Spieler was injured that indoor season.
49. The Queensies start league in October. So they are only available during September. UH nearly had an open week with Toyota the only match. NAU was a last-minute addition. Don’t remember who pulled out of a two-match series.
51. as someone has earlier pointed out there is the RK poll and the RK RPI.
I find Rich’s rating system usually close to that of the NCAA’s. Am surprised that there is such a gap between his and Pablo. 6 vs. 17
The biggest creepers are usually the ones who call others creepers. 😉
Pablo is never kind to Hawai`i and I agree Rich Kern ‘s RKPI is pretty darn close to the NCAA version. That other thingy from Ohio State, as I recall from previous year, isn’t very reliable.
Hopefully Ucla pulls out a win against Usc today…Would help us in the polls for sure…
IF and IF. Baby G only playing this year and not for the entire season. Baby G on sand scholarship and recruited by Wong. Baby G heavily taped hand. Maybe all these reasons are why she is not on the travel squad and not playing more. If recruited by Shoji and had a scholarship or partial scholarship might be a whole different story. One can see her athleticism and innate reactions are superior than some others. We don’t see the practices and only the game and based only on the games you would choose Baby G.
Cindy, if my old memory serves me, I thought it was Pepperdine who pulled out when they were invited to the Tempe tournament.
60. Guinasso is not on sand scholarship for 2014-15. if she were, she could not be on the indoor team. She is walking on for both sports this year.
Wong is the associate head coach for indoor. Why wouldn’t he want ‘his’ player staying in shape by playing more indoor?
Again, someone has to stay home. It’s usually been the non-scholarship players. Last year, when 13 often traveled, that meant 5 stayed back, including the redshirts.
61. Thank you. I believe you are right.
In hindsight, I think the Waves would have been happier with the trip here.
If I were a player for the Waves I too would have been much happier with a trip to beautiful Hawaii rather than the desert of Arizona. I guess coach rookie head coach Tanner and staff had visions of more success than they had planned, playing two ranked teams in Arizona St and Colorado St. I don’t know the exact circumstances for their change of schedule but I see it as not a good start for a 1st time head coach to cancel Shoji and UH at the last minute.
Pepperdine might have been looking at an RPI boost vs. ASU, CSU.
Last minute was mentioned from a reliable source that left Shoji scrambling and lucky to scheduled Northern Arizona. Those were the words that I recall reading somewhere (?).
Pepperdine is on track to be on a win loss record of 10-15 for the season. Current record of 5-7 with losses to Nevada, Oral Roberts, UC Irvine and Idaho. Not exactly top ranked programs. Guess the new head coach didn’t envision his team’s mediocre preseason performance. Anything to boost the program’s RPI I guess, even if it meant cancelling the Hawaii trip.
65. had mentioned somewhere that NAU was the last-minute replacement according to their SID, who is from Hawaii (Pearl City grad). He said he left for summer with one schedule, came back to the office with a schedule that had Hawaii on i.
Don’t know what Tanner was thinking other than matches vs. Pac-12 and MWC teams looked better for the RPI, win or lose.
coming into the week
ASU 19 RK poll, 12 Pablo, 48 RKPI, 19 AVCA
CSU 7 RK poll, 8 Pablo, 14 RKPI, 7 AVCA
Hawaii 24 RK pool, 17 Pablo, 6 RKPI, 25 AVCA
Not that I want to get into overall strength of schedule but Pablo’s highest teams in those conference strength of schedule are:
Big West: Hawaii 17, CSUN 32, LBS 36
MWC: Colorado State 8, Wyoming 57, UNLV 63
Pac-12: Stanford 3, Washington 4, Oregon 5, USC 6, Arizona and UCLA 10, ASU 12 Lowest is Cal at 40
Cindy, thanks for your input to Tanner’s turn around and cancelling UH. Good information as far as RPI strength lot of research on your part. Tanner’s a rookie D1 head coach and I have my own views of the timing of protocol, respect and realizing the outcome of the other party’s situation by your actions. With that said I’ll leave this topic at rest.