Catching up after vacation (sorry) Croson, et al

Was on vacation this past week when the Croson announcement came. Thought I’d have internet access but didn’t.

Anyway, to catch up:

Appreciate all the comments during the week (over 150)

One question asked was if Croson could play sand volleyball at her next school

All would depend on what her academic status is. a player has to show academic progress. If she did not pass this semester, she would be a semester behind. She could make it up over 2 summer sessions OR if she was to take a sand scholarship, she would have all next fall to reach junior standing academically.

Will get to more comments as I see them.


  1. dedicatedfan June 1, 2013 7:06 pm

    Ah shucks, Cindy is back from vacation, now I have to lay off of Scott Wong again. When you going back on vacation Cindy, so I can get back on Scott Wong’s case. 🙂

  2. dedicatedfan June 1, 2013 7:19 pm

    I am presuming Croson is in good academic standing, since she did not leave Hawaii until after finals. If she knew that she was not in good academic standing, she would have left Hawaii mid-way through the Spring Semester.

  3. dedicatedfan June 1, 2013 7:38 pm

    I believe Jane will forego her last 2 years of collegiate eligibility and join the Beach Pro Circuit.

  4. Hot June 2, 2013 12:42 am

    I believe Jane needs to sort her business out. I am excited to see how Taylor fits in the lineup and how Olevao and Long have improved over the offseason. Can’t wait to see Higgins play. And the back row players too.

  5. Grammy June 2, 2013 8:01 am

    I am so beyond Jane already. Wish her well, but then PAU, done Moving on. This years seniors will step up and hopefully new role players will thrive in Rainbow Volleyball’s super nurturing environment and find heretofore unseen powers within themselves and shine. Otherwise, winning will have to suffice. Don’t see Wahine escaping unscathed from Big West this year again, but hopefully #1 with league’s automatic NCAA bid at end. Go Wahine!

  6. wop ur jaws June 2, 2013 8:38 am

    Welcome back C. Okay so now that its out, could you please enlighten us about all the facts and reasons if you know them of course. What really happenned? Is it still FYI? What were rumours versus the facts surrounding Croson’s history at UH? Rumours like she and Hagins got into a fight…This past sand season, did few wanted to play with her as a partner…. was she suspended from the team for not attending classes…. was she caught drinking and other things…. was she homesick and wanted to play with her friend(s)….did her mother REALLY wanted her back home in Cali.?….was she offered sponsorship to play pro beach…
    Probably normal occurences nowadays any way, but is there something to be said about transfers out of UH in recent seasons past? Say from Garber on to the present? I know playng time or possibly no scholarships are some of the reasons, also family/personal issues, coaching philosophy, climate/cultural differences etc. But wth some players rumoured to be coming to UH only to find them on other teams come season time, I’m curious as to how those players came here say in the off season semesters only to find them playing at other schools. The one that comes to mind is the local setter from Hawai’i that played at Nebraska, Nepo, I heard through the grapevine that she was here at UH in the summer, but ended up in Nebraska, why?. Of course each situaton has specific reasons, but I’m just trying to imply a possible theme with players changing theirs minds about UH. Is it academics for some? A better offer for others? Maybe a better team in their opinions? And does players/students have the ability to intend to play for UH during the off season, maybe train with the team, only to decide to transfer to another school? And does that also work in reverse? Say UH monitors that player suring the off season and then decides to go in a different direction chosing to cut ties with the intended player/student? I know its a lot to ask, but maybe this will acclimate yo back from vacation…lol. Thanks in advance.

  7. LC June 2, 2013 9:07 am

    I realize Cindy was on vacation but everything about Jane is out there and has been discussed ad nauseam.

    When you read what fans think it pretty much reflects Ferd’s recent headline..”Hawai`i probably better off without Croson’s Drama” or a tweet from MidWeek associate editor Steve Murray.. “Jane Croson leaves.Is it good luck or good riddance?”

    IMO Jane doesn’t deserve any further discussion because it only feeds her ego and serves no purpose.Jane created her problems not the coaches,team or the fans.

    Unlike Brittany Hewitt who made a public statement to the fans Croson tells Ann Miller I don’t want to talk about it and for all you folks who think she’s the cats meow she just thumbed her nose at you.

    Future discussion should revolve around the rest of the team and encouraging them.

  8. volleyball fan June 2, 2013 11:37 am

    You made some good points, L.C. Sounds like end of discussion. Time to move on and look forward to a new and unpredictable season. In a little less than three months time the Wahines will tackle the Longhorns and sure enough, they’ll have their hands full.

  9. Cindy Luis June 2, 2013 11:55 am

    7. Agree with the headline on Ferd’s column, although he didn’t write it. Writers have no say in what headlines are written.
    6 WUJ. Agree there are a lot of rumors out there that have a bit of truth to them.
    Disagree that Croson thumbed her nose at anyone when saying she doesn’t want to talk about it. She has every right to do so. She’s done talking about the issue and perhaps that’s where it should stay.
    I know nothing about a fight with Hagins, which should be moot anyway since Hagins left before Croson made her decision.
    Also heard nothing about players not wanting her as a sand partner. I was there for the first couple of matches and something would have come out then. I’m sure people will agree that there was no one with Croson’s level of experience on the sand roster. If Tiegs had been eligible, then different story. As evidenced by the two of them winning in California last month.
    As for mom’s influence, I can see that. It was hard for her parents to agree to let Croson come to UH. She is their only surviving child (Croson’s brother killed in a car accident a few years ago). Think it would be totally natural for a mom, knowing her child was unhappy, to say, Then just come home.
    Had to laugh when you brought up Garber. Hardly recent (95-97) She was injured for a bit and homesick as well (ended back in Texas at Tech). Bottom line, she wasn’t going to play. IMHO UH overestimated her abilities out of high school and realized that after she got here. Sort of the problem you have when players commit so early and you have to hope the potential shown in high school continues to develop as they mature in college.

  10. Cindy Luis June 2, 2013 12:10 pm

    6. Trying to figure out what you mean about players rumored to be coming to UH only to be on different teams. If players signed an NLI with UH, then they are committed to coming to UH. Rumors are rumors until the paperwork is in.
    Nepo was never coming to UH. She was Nebraska all the way. Her freshman year was Ah Mow’s junior season (1995) so doubt that she would have replaced Ah Mow. Hubbert transferred in for 1996 and played behind Ah Mow that year.
    The player you might be thinking of was Saleaumua-Taeatafa who did sign with UH initially but her test scores didn’t qualify her to enroll at UH. When that happened, her NLI was voided and she ended up at Nebraska, which was her second choice.
    to answer one of your questions, the national letter of intent is binding for a year unless it it is somehow voided or a player is released from it, say when a coaching change happens.

  11. wop ur jaws June 2, 2013 12:42 pm

    Yes Saleaumua was who i was referring to… As for GArber…long time ago I understand…but If not mistaken she also ended up all conference at TT. But other players like the player that ended up at Louisville that laso made all conference, Player that ened up at Florida…. Amanda Bradley that ended up at Utah her home state… my narrow point is…there have been many players that transferred from UH only to find some success with other programs… So does UH make a conscious choice to not start a player only to find that the same player starts at their next school and become an outstanding player. Of course a teams’ offensive/defensive style may suit some players better than others. Kind like a quarterback that loves to pass versus a team that loves to run the ball.

    As fars as the other points I made specifically about Croson, I played at some tournaments with players her age that shared some of those rumours going around the island amongst club volleyball players. Everyone had said that Jane is a pretty mellow person and pretty socialable and laid back. Its hard for them to imagine a player as selfish or difficult especially with her helping her younger cousins’ club team.

    Ther reason I brought it up, was that when it was announced her deciding to leave, a lot of UH fans commentted about her in a mean spirited way. She is a young adult finding her way and with all the players, tried their best to win for UH. Its unfortunate that grown adults would act that way.

  12. Cubicle1126 June 2, 2013 1:41 pm

    wop ur jaws — it seems like you’re looking from some sweeping, conspiratorial answer to “why do some players transfer?” but the fact of the matter is that players will transfer for their own reasons and unique set of circumstances. players commit here as recruits, and sometimes things just do not work out. when they do transfer, sometimes those players find a way to thrive elsewhere (and good for them!). perhaps the skill set that player possessed was not what Hawaii needed at that particular moment, but it may have been precisely what another team really needed.

    let’s not forget that Hawaii has had its fair share of transfers coming in, who did not meet with success at their prior school, but who found it here.

    you may be hard pressed to find a common thread among the various reasons why players transfer.

  13. mainlandgal June 2, 2013 3:03 pm

    I agree with LC #7 … Croson subjects should be moot by now!!! There were and are players on the UH Sand team just as good as Croson’s playing ability, however, their sportmanship, and attitude they display are far better than Croson’s. Only seeing the first couple tournaments (actually the only ones played at home) doesnt show a lot as teams were still being tried out. If you look at the stats, Croson went through the most partners and not for lack of other players trying or playing up to her level. It was much more than that. And, I don’t consider a 5th place finish on the beach in CA last month a win.
    Please, can we just move on from all the Croson drama and speculation!?!? Enough is enough!!!

  14. Warriorfan June 2, 2013 3:47 pm

    Agreed Mainlandgal. She doesn’t want to be a wahine anymore so she should be out of sight and mind.
    I am looking toward the future, can’t wait to see who the coaches get with the open scholarship.

    3. re. the idea Croson could be a beach pro at this point is ridiculous she has a long way to go to get the work ethic to be a professional beach player.

    Cindy glad to have you back! Just wondering if you have any idea who Charlie will hire to take Sean Carney’s place?

  15. roofer68 June 2, 2013 4:09 pm

    Firstly Cindy, Croson and Tiegs ended up in fifth place in the Hermosa tournament.
    My input of the final chapter of Jane Croson. Hagins and Croson did not have a “fight”, how? because I know. wop ur jaws describes Croson’s personality exactly and it’s what she didn’t completely accomplish (Shoji’s outlined tasks to be done) that finalized her leaving. It’s her personal issue that led to the month suspension and the problem came up again during the sand season. All of these issues of her problem and assigned tasks was too much for the 19 year old and a return home is her decision. Let me make it clear, the problem has in no way anything to do with the coaches or players and it is personal and none of anyone’s business. I hope with the move home she seeks help and comfort.

  16. mainlandgal June 2, 2013 4:34 pm

    Thanks #15 roofer68 … Most of us have said this from the very beginning of the Croson saga. It’s personal issues, not academic, that have led her down the path she’s chosen. She does need to seek help and guidance and hopefully she will find those things while at home. Is she ready to go pro? Not by a long shot. She doesn’t have the desire, passion or work ethic that playing at the professoonal leel requires at this point in her life. Maybe someday.

  17. dedicatedfan June 2, 2013 4:46 pm

    With Jane Croson gone, the Wahine are no longer one of the favorites to challenge for the National Championship, or even a Top 15 team. Also, they are not the unanimous choice to win the BWC, or go undefeated in conference play. All that pressure is now off of their shoulders. With this being said, it will be interesting to see how this Wahine team grows and gets better through out this coming season. That is what will make watching the Wahine play this season so interesting. I am definitely looking forward to watching them grow as a volleyball team.

  18. Cindy Luis June 2, 2013 4:57 pm

    thanks roofer. I obviously was given bad info. was told they won the tourney last weekend. See at they finished fifth.
    agree with all you said. There were some ridiculous rumors out there.
    mainland, you also bring up a very good point in that UH has had its share of players who transferred in.
    Transferring is much more common these days. How many of us made decisions at 16 or 17 that we wanted to change after a few years?

  19. Cindy Luis June 2, 2013 4:59 pm

    WF, have not heard any names yet for a replacement for Carney. It’s not a high-paying job so likely will have to be someone who already lives here and has something else that pays the bills.

  20. Cindy Luis June 3, 2013 10:34 pm

    but if there was anyone who fits the bill, it would be Tony McInerny who was on staff as a volunteer. would be an easy return for him. and he’s very qualified.

  21. Cindy Luis June 4, 2013 5:30 pm

    17: DF, they won’t be a unanimous choice in the coaches’ voting because Shoji can’t vote for his own team.
    They will still be the heavy favorite to repeat as BWC champs.
    How far they get in the NCAA tournament is a matter of seeding and bracket. If they get screwed as they have continued to be, especially as happened last year, it will be a tough road to win a title.
    they have a lot returning. Their only losses of note were Croson and Maeda. Hagins was rarely used so don’t consider her a big loss.
    Both Higgins and Taylor should contribute right away. They may go with a 6-2. Olevao has made great strides in spring. Shoji told me yesterday, and as he said in Ann’s story, they have plenty of firepower on the outside.

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