Redshirt prospects // Valdes update
Sometime between now and the Nov. 9 start to the 2012-13 season, Gib Arnold and the Hawaii coaching staff must decide which, if any, players to redshirt.
The idea or ideas behind redshirting a player is/are pretty straightforward. You maintain a season of eligibility while allowing the prospect to grow into a more developed player (and sometimes student) through the “farm system” of the scout team. You can alleviate logjams at positions too stocked with bodies, where not everyone will get to play anyway. This can sometimes prevent a player from growing despondent about a lack of PT, because he accepts his day will come in time. Brandon Jawato was such a player last season; it didn’t make much sense to burn a season of eligibility playing behind the seasoned Zane Johnson.
Now, the retooled Rainbow Warriors have quite a few redshirt candidates this season. Arnold said today he would “most likely redshirt a few players this year.”
“We haven’t talked with any of the guys,” Arnold said. “Not at all since everybody’s been here. There is discussion, obviously, amongst the staff. I like the idea of redshirting freshmen. If I could afford to, I would redshirt every freshman. … You’re basically trading a freshman year for a fifth-year senior year. I think it’s a good trade. It’s not for everybody, but I like to do that.
“You have to have it figured out by the first game of the year. … I’m no hurry. I’ve got a couple months before I have to make any decisions on that. We’re letting them play and letting them grow. But in the back of my mind, obviously, and in talks with the coaches, we’re having discussions on that.”
The true freshmen on the team are:
>> Dyrbe Enos, 5-9, 160 G
>> Ozren Pavlovic, 6-8. 210 F
>> Michael Harper, 6-4, 200 G
>> Caleb Dressler, 6-10, 250 C
>> Manroop Clair, 6-2, 180 G
>> Isaac Fotu, 6-8, 240 F
>> Aaron Valdes, 6-5, 200 G
And, of course, Keith Shamburger is an automatic redshirt because of his transfer status from San Jose State.
Who do you think are the most likely redshirt candidates? Comment away, sirs and ladies.
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If you’re watching the UH roster closely here, you’ll notice Valdes is still the Invisible Man. According to Arnold, the NCAA hasn’t yet gotten to his paperwork as a late admission to UH. Until then, he can still have workouts and open gym sessions with the team through a 45-day waiver. Valdes came in on Aug. 24.
The coach is unconcerned about an extended delay of clearance; he expects Valdes to be through well before the Oct. 12 start of official practices. He said there can be a delay while football players in limbo (the NCAA’s priority at this time of the year) are cleared first.
“Then they start getting to the next sport, which would be us,” Arnold said. “I have no concern on it at all, actually. I don’t see any red flags. … They just got his paperwork as a late signee. Normally we work on that stuff all over the summer, and we try to have everything in by the time before school starts. All that stuff didn’t get in ’til late. (The clearninghouse) is swamped with football. That’s what they’re telling us.”
I see Dressler and Enos redshirting, possibly Harper too but UH might need his three point shooting.
Well, I’ll take a stab at it:
Dyrbe Enos
Caleb Dressler
@ the very least
I would like to see dressler and Enos redshirt so they can work on there game some more. Then Harper to even out the guards position. We will need manroop And fotu for sure this season
If today Gib had to make decision: Yeah, I agree, Dyrbe Enos and Caleb Dressler…however, you never know. Between now and Nov 9 2012 first regular season game. …what if one or two guys get hurt or, unforseen,? That is why Gib in no hurry…It always pained me to see UH MBB team down to 8 or 9 roster players sometimes during season because of injury, attitude or academics..If even one player RS, I would say Dyrbe Enos…if Manroop Clair has to rehab weak ankle, maybe possibility, Have to wait and see, ..Gib has luxury of 15 guys this year..RS possibilities 7, that is a good thing…Yeah, Gib will wait to last minute, I think you can go into season few games, and guy does not go in to game, they could still RS, not sure..should be interesting, I kind of like them all!!
POSSIBLY FOREIGN PLAYERS, IF THE ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH AMERICAN STYLE OF PLAY.
REASONS FOR CONCERN FOR NCAA DECISION DELAYS WOULD FALL UNDER THE CATEGORY OF DESCRIMINATORY TREATMENT FOR FACTORS AFFECTING ANY OF THE HAWAII SPORTS, AS WHAT HAS TAKEN IN THE PAST, WHICH WERE ALWAYS DETRIMENTAL TO THE U.H. PROGRAM.
BUT I NOT SHOUTING, NOT SCREAMING, NOT YELLING, NOT CRYING ABOUT IT…JUST COMMENTING…IN CASE DEY READ DIS.
Redshirting walk-ons doesn’t make sense to me, cuz you’re possibly making them pay another year of tuition. Clair and Valdes were in prep school, so they’re already older, and theoretically more mature and should have some seasoning. Fotu and Pavolovic might be good RS candidates but I think at least one of them needs to play cuz we’re going to need their size to back up Standianger. Plus they’re a long way from home, and if they don’t play, it gives them another reason to get homesick and leave…
Good journalism as usual, cleared up a main concern !
‘Airon’ Valdes’s athleticism has the best star-quality, which the TEAM needs and easily won its respect as well as the good winning MBB fans, which translated directly to attendance numbers..
Is he tough & durable physically ?? (Love to see him play!)
why redshirt a walk-on?
therefore, manroop clair, dressler, with valdes an obvious candidate if he doesn’t get cleared by october 12.
not sure about ozzie, his is dependent upon if he got game.
Fair points all, thanks for offering up your thoughts. Be interesting to see how it shakes out over the next month or two.
With Joaquim returning Dressler for sure. Rozitis provides an adequate backup to Vander. Either Harper or Valdes at one of the guard positions could redshirt. With Tavita, Jefferson, Spearman, and Jawato, guards look okay. Clair might be needed this year to stretch the defense along with Hauns allowing Vander and Standhardinger to work the inside game.
Ozren, Caleb, Harper and Clair. Doubt Gib will go deeper than 8 deep in his playing rotation. They can all develop physically and Harper can be a scholie player down the line if he continues to work hard on his game and proves he can play the guard position at this level. Clair and Ozren would really benefit with a year of weight work and Caleb just needs to get used to the speed and demands of the game at the D-1 level. He could easily be a 3 year starter if he doesn’t rush things. Big bodies with a developing shooting touch like his are hard to find.
To me it doesn’t matter rs’ing a walk-on, as he’s still not getting a scholarship this year. Dyrbe is still small in stature compared to all his team mates. With all the talent @ #2 for sure he’s not getting much, if any playing @ all. He doesn’t have to play his 5 year @ UH if he doesn’t land a scholarship by then and if he graduates in 4 years he can just move on or if he develops in his 5th year to earn a scholarship he could attend UH like Schroeder and that other Duke recruit does. But with a rs year it gives him time to develop his body/mind.
This goes for both Enos and Harper, they got nothing to lose rs’ing but to gain strength and experience practicing against the starters. They just need to make sure their grades are in line to graduate in 4 years. Who knows, if they develop the way The Gibper and Staff during this year as a redshirt, who knows, they may earn that scholarship for 4 years after this season is over
Thanks for the updates Brian. Appreciate it!
But then again, I don’t know the rules! LOL
can you redshirt a non-scholarship player so he has 5 years to play 4?
Yes, a walk-on may redshirt the same as a scholarship player. A few seasons ago Beau Albrechtson and Rykin Enos did so during their first year … though they didn’t stay on long enough for the full “5 in 4.”
Brian,
mahalo for clearing that up. I don’t thing The Gibper will force someone to rs and it looks like all 16 players could contribute if called on to do so offensively. I don’t think we’ve seen this much talent from top to bottom height wise for some time.
The Gibper and player’s are in a tough position and I hope some will rs voluntarily after a talk with Coach/Staff. They should know what’s in the best interest for everyone involved. Don’t need any bad attitudes for no playing time during the season.
A good thing Brian, tons of interest in UH MBB this year, and this is only off season! Should be fun year. Hopefully, the fans will come out and rock the SSC if MBB team gets on a roll, maybe schedule favorable..Gib BIG Year 3!
Red shirting walk ons happens all the time, and makes perfect sense.
emily Maeda was a walk on and redshirted her freshmen year at UH and look at her now.
For me, I would redshirt Enols, Dressler, and possibly Harper. Harper is a walk-on too.
We have a lot of bigs so maybe Fotu can redshirt too, but I think Fotu is one of the best 10 players on the team. We need shooters, so I like having Pavlovic and Clair in there. These 2 guys have big time range from 3 pt land. And in the Big West they tend to shoot a lot of 3s because you don’t have a lot of size on most of the teams. If Valdes can play he should be in there. He has the athletic ability. I like Clair’s court sense, cross-over drible and jumper coming over to the left side with a step back, ala Kemba Walker. Anyway, that’s my take. I’m not that concered with strength, but I would put a lot of weight on conditioning and what the player(s) on do on the floor, in other words, making plays and makikng shots. Pete Maravich was so skinnyy that he looked so frail, yet he could run all day and take so many shots in a game. True, he didn’t play a lot of defense. Bottom line, is the player a “basketball player” is some game. I know Clair’s got game and brash enough to know he’s good, like taking 5 star Duke recruit Rasheed Sulaimon to the cleaners for 27 points and telling the guy “you can’t guard me, maybe you should go to community college.”
Thanks for Updates, Brian
THAT Clears Up the Valdes Mystery –
– Glad NCAA provided the 45-day waiver…
I could see Gib with his Creativity (Late Game Offensive-Defensive Substitutions, MCAS, Beach Camp Training, etc.) throwing the opposition for quick loops by platooning ten (or more) players … this team looks very capable and very deep — the platoon option throws fresh legs at them in waves — and ALL our players can shoot/score, so may have little drop off when running fresh legs against tired starters — most other teams will be limited to 7-8 players… IF opposition is similar to how we were last year, several on floor could not score at will…
MUCH Interest and Activity … Seems to be growing into a Buzzzzz….
Redshirts ? Hope we can Retain Most ….
Don’t STOP Now…RS?
Agree, Good Comments above…
Good Fan Awareness of players even before Official Practice starts…
Hmmmmm…
IF Someone “Had to” Redshirt: BUT Also include my reasons i hope they get to play; ‘cos Most Players rather play, AND you improve the most & fastest by playing; unless your current skill level wouldn’t allow coach to get you on the court, or worse, an injury; i like the analogy of trading Fifth Years for First Years, but …
Dyrbe Enos: Good Candidate, But Can you imagine The CROWD NOISE every time he steps onto the Court and Provides Instant Offense, with the Crowd Roaring Louder with Each Successive Lay-up or Three? At Least until they get used to him as “The Next Miah”. I used to hear the crowd shouting for Pi’i Mins… because his shot is ‘so fast’ i think “Dyrbe Would Deliver”
Caleb Dressler: Probably One of “The Best” candidates for redshirting ‘cos coach likes to redshirt freshmen AND the Team is SO DEEP at Bigs that he would probably start out with 10-20 More mpg next year….but he’s also got excellent skills and hits his shots as good as ANY Big Man we’ve had — i saw Julian Sensley passing HIM (CD) the ball for a Summer League Game-Tying Shot — He Earned That Much Trust & Confidence…Of Course he Nailed it…
Manroop Clair: Rather see him playing and “Bombing” and especially ‘actually helping as a true point guard’ but Worry a little that his ‘frequent’ re-injuries might be a current “physical” limitation, that he’s already pushing his body to the point that he needs to strengthen it before he can take it to the next level.
Michael Harper: Redshirt? Particularly to develop better point skills. His “Aussie Mum” would enjoy the game highlights even more than the practice highlights and he’s already the fastest and most agile on the team (as measured by the coaches), plus he shoots and drives lights out… Prefer: Get him more PT!
Aaron Valdes: With his physical skills, a strong defensive player and high flyer could help neutralize Big West guards/wings … redshirt only for academic reasons (if really needed).
Ozren Pavlovic: Actually only listed him for completeness and discussion sake because he was called out above and we Americans think Euros lack toughness — i’ve seen him battling in the paint and harassing our more senior Bigs as good as anybody — So i think Already “Good Body and Physical Skills” and Also (Really) Shoots Lights Out…
Isaac Fotu: Only IF Injured — He’s already ‘The Real Deal’ — you don’t sit players that can help you WIN games today; and his playing “could” also help signing other NZ/Aussie Stars who know him… like Taj Webster, Former UH Star Tony’s son, who ‘verballed’ to a ‘lesser’ (to me) and further away from home program (i’m pretty sure there are No Direct Flights from NZ/AUS to Washington State).
We’ll See … Maybe ought to “Track Progress” of Redshirts, too with the National and UH “Retention Trend”
I would definitely redshirt Dressler & Harper. I think Dyrbe Enos would be good in mop up and give us 5 good fouls towards the end.
I would love to redshirt Manroop Clair, but I think he would want to play right away and we may need him right away.
Ozren Pavlovic would also be a good redshirt candidate but I believe he is 21 years-old and if he is turning down pro contracts he would probably want to play right away.
I think Fotu is ready to play now and will only redshirt if he gets a major injury.
I think Valdes brings an element we need this year, so I wouldn’t redshirt him unless it’s academics.
What is the difference between a red and greyshirt. I know Miah was a grey shirt in football.
I believe grey shirts start mid-term and don’t (usually) count against the current year’s recruits;
So a grey shirt this next break December/January in Football gets spring & summer camps/ workouts to learn team systems / schemes…kind of a free semester that counts toward 2013… not sure when scholarships, room, board, meals kicks in, immediately or next fall… (but I think it’s immediate/spring semester); Greyshirts often enroll PART-TIME in the initial fall semester without athletic aid
I believe Orel Lev was counting last spring as a redshirt “year” (semester)….(RED = STOP as in Stop from Playing)
A Relatively New NCAA Term is Green Shirt which applies to High School Seniors who forego their spring (HS) semester to enroll in College Early (like a Head Start; Green= GO, as in GO Early)
Respectfully REQUEST ANY FILL-INS OR CORRECTIONS…
Jade Vorster of the volleyball team is a green/redshirt freshman, since she enrolled at UH in spring 2011.
So basically a green shirt starts early and a grey shirt starts late and a red shirt just doesn’t play. So are foreign players that ends school in November or whenever they finish considered greyshirts especially for basketball or just arrive for school the next year in August.
(personal opinion — Need a Fact Checker)…I thought we were treating Orel Lev as a redshirt…kinda like Jace Tavita, he was sitting out a partial season, but writing off a Whole Year…although either could have played last year after December…(then Jace chose to sit out the entire season; might have played if we didn’t have the second coming of Miah which apparently ain’t happening this year; part of so many fans’ uneasiness?)
…I don’t hear that greenshirt term very often although I noted an “NCAA Official” using it in an Article… He seemed to be attributing the use and need for the color titles to ‘the media’ since the terms are not legislated by NCAA
Jade Vorster is Good Example…
update:
first, a lot hinges on valdes’ eligibility which is still in the air. the ncaa has yet to determine whether he is good to go or not.
based on the premise that he is eligible then…
aaron valdes will not redshirt if he is able to play.
we now have many guards in camp, mostly shooting guards seven on paper.
manroop clair is a top candidate for redshirting. his game needs some improvement and physically he needs to add 15-20 lbs of muscle.
dyrbe enos and michael harper are both walk-ons and guards. rarely does it make any sense to redshirt a walkon. a walkon usually makes the team to facillitate practices. not unless he is a real eye opener will you want to redshirt a walkon. it just makes no sense. i know in the past other uh coaches did it…they are no longer on the job.
the jc guys coming in were all signed to compete for playing time and they should see the court. therefore, none would redshirt unless they have an injury.
we are not really stacked with bigs. we have two centers yes with dressler probably going to redshirt. other than that we have four forwards. what this means is that ozzie and fotu will not be redshirting. fotu and standhardinger are the 4’s with hauns and ozzie at the 3.
smallish swingmen could be jawato, spearman, and jefferson. but, most of their action will be at the 2. although privately, i am sure that the gibber hopes that one of them can help at the point. something he failed to address for this year. (yah, i can’t wait till next year when the sham gets to play.)
the only realistic redshirt candidates are roop especially if his nagging ankle won’t quiet down and dressler who could use more muscle and a little more quickness. the roster now only sports 15 guys. valdes is still in limbo. the longer it takes the more you worry that he is another who won’t get past the ncaa. so, to reiterate if valdes can go then he makes the roster as a valuable swing guy with size and hops, the ultimate matchup problem at either slot.
but, if he doesn’t clear then perhaps only one or none redshirt at all since we don’t have the numbers.