Big West expansion, SandBows scrimmage Saturday

Thought we should move it over to new thread for discussion.
Someone had mentioned what is keeping the Sac State out of Big West in part is their football team in the Big Sky and the BSC wants to keep an all-sport member in California.
What I question is how do they do that for Sac State when allowing Cal Poly and UC Davis to play football in the Big Sky and the Mustangs and Aggies have their other sports in the Big West?
This is the link to Monday’s Big West story

on another note, Wahine leaving for Seattle today.


  1. orioles4eva November 28, 2017 10:22 am

    I hope it isn’t a red eye flight again, very hard to sleep on a plane.
    On the positives, so happy for the seniors to have one more crack at beating Washington if they can get past Illinois. Good job by the coaching staff for making the needed adjustments to keep the NCAA streak going another year. Love the way they are using Faith.

  2. Ron November 28, 2017 11:49 am

    Just the fact that they got on a plane to go anywhere makes my season. Ill. looks to be very similar to the Wahine. Setter and middles- edge to UH because of our depth. Left side attack- Edge UL but close. Rt. side advantage Ul. Back row – UH advantage UH. Blocking- even Serving- Advantage UH. Receiving serve – edge UH. Coaching – edge UH. As far as expansion, you can not get a finer University than UC San Diego for the prestige factor they bring with them. (Yearly rated in the top 50 Universities in the Nation)

  3. menehune November 28, 2017 1:09 pm

    According to the San Diego Union-Tribune in today’s paper, “Two sports – men’s volleyball (2017-18) and women’s water polo (2019-20 – begin Big West participation.” “2020: The Tritons begin a full Big West Conference competitive schedule in the fall.”

  4. Cindy Luis November 28, 2017 1:42 pm

    1. must we go there? These players are experienced travelers. even if it’s a redeye they get in on a wednesday for a Friday match. It’s a 5 hour flight

    2. UCSD is another high-leve UC school. There definitely is some Academic snobbery when it comes to UC vs. Cal State.

    3. UCSD is in men’s volleyball conference this coming season

    ANYWAY SandBows scrimmage Saturday
    The University of Hawai’i beach volleyball team wraps up fall training with a Green & White Scrimmage on Saturday, Dec. 2 at the Ching Complex. First serve is 4:00 p.m. and admission is free.

    It will be a dual match format on Saturday with the roster split into two squads and competing in five different flights. The scrimmage will give fans the chance to mingle with this year’s squad, while also getting another glimpse at UH’s mixture of youth and experience. Two weeks ago the Rainbow Wahine held an intrasquad pairs tournament at Queen’s Beach with senior Hannah Zalopany and freshman newcomer Pani Napoleon winning it all.

  5. rabbit ears November 28, 2017 1:43 pm

    NCAA tournament is great experience for Williams and Howling. They probably won’t play, but just to experience the atmosphere.
    Kendra and Casey really need to ball.

  6. Cindy Luis November 28, 2017 1:44 pm

    5. we’ll see. much depends on how Burns handles taller competition

  7. Cindy Luis November 28, 2017 2:06 pm

    Heading to mainland in an hour. will leave thread open until tomorrow when i have internet
    Behave. ‘Tis the season ‘-)

  8. H-Man November 28, 2017 2:07 pm

    Yup, Illinois is tall. Anxious to see how the Wahine fare against a good Big Ten team. I haven’t forgotten the Wahine beat Penn St a couple of seasons ago, but that was a different team.

  9. HawaiiMongoose November 28, 2017 2:14 pm

    Cindy, in response to the question in your blog post, the story is kind of long but pretty interesting. Please bear with me.

    Sac State has been a full member of the Big Sky since 1996. At the time it joined, the conference had no affiliated football-only members. Big Sky schools were expected to play all of their conference-sponsored sports in the Big Sky. That changed in 2011 when Cal Poly and UC Davis were issued invitations to join the conference in 2012 as football-only members. The reason they got those invitations is that the Big Sky commissioner at the time, Doug Fullerton, saw an opportunity to “kill the WAC” as a football conference by taking those two schools off the table as potential WAC invitees.

    You’ll recall that in 2011 the WAC had lost Boise State and had been notified that Hawaii, Nevada and Fresno State were leaving in 2012. WAC conference commissioner Karl Benson was desperately looking for western replacement schools that were willing to move up from the FCS level to the FBS level, and Big Sky members Sac State, Montana and Montana State were at the top of his target list. Also on his target list were Cal Poly and UC Davis, which were football-only members of the now-defunct Great West conference. The Great West had only five football teams in 2011 and therefore lacked an auto-bid into the FCS playoffs, so Cal Poly and UC Davis were on the hunt for a better option. However they were reluctant to move up to FBS and join the WAC because of budget cuts due to the recession.

    Fullerton knew all this and his response was to go on the offensive. He convinced Montana, Montana State and Sac State that they could best strengthen their position by (1) staying in the Big Sky and (2) depriving the WAC of alternative replacement members by breaking precedent and inviting UC Davis and Cal Poly (who wanted to keep their non-football sports in the Big West to control travel costs) to join the Big Sky as football-only members. The plan was a complete success. Cal Poly and UC Davis gladly accepted Big Sky football-only invitations; the WAC couldn’t find any alternative additions; and all of the WAC’s remaining football members but Idaho and New Mexico State (who had no other offers) bailed to the MWC and CUSA, effectively destroying the WAC as a football conference.

    Fullerton has openly admitted that this was his intention, for example in a 2015 podcast where he said “one of the things we tried to do was kind of eliminate all other conferences playing football in the west [other than the Pac-12 and MWC] and I’m shooting right at the WAC when I say that” and described the expanded Big Sky as a “predator” that picks off schools from other conferences rather than being picked off. To listen to Fullerton’s remarks in context, go to the “” website and find Podcast Episode 137 and scroll to the 13 minute mark.

    So that explains why Cal Poly and UC Davis have a different status from Sac State. The only remaining question is why, with the precedent of football-only Big Sky members having been set, Sac State has not been given the same consideration. Certainly Sac State could benefit from the same arrangement that Cal Poly and UC Davis have. That’s where a bit of speculation comes in.

    There have been assertions by various posters on the Big West and CSNBBS Conference Realignment message boards that an informal “deal” was cut between the Big Sky and the Big West at the time Cal Poly and UC Davis received their football-only invitations. The deal was that the Big Sky would give Cal Poly and UC Davis a home for their football programs without requiring them to join the Big Sky for all other sports, IF IN RETURN, neither those two schools nor the Big West would offer Sac State a place in the Big West for its non-football sports, thereby forcing Sac State to remain a full Big Sky member and preserving the Big Sky’s presence in the California market for visibility and recruiting purposes. I can’t point to any official source for confirmation, but the fact that Sac State is still sitting in the Big Sky for all sports in 2017 and was passed over in this latest round of Big West expansion by an arguably less attractive CSU Bakersfield is practical confirmation that something like the purported deal probably was made and is still in force.

  10. HawaiiMongoose November 28, 2017 2:30 pm

    Slight correction in final paragraph, in the middle it should say “IF IN RETURN, neither those two schools nor other Big West members would support offering Sac State a place in the Big West for its non-football sports…”

  11. Kazu November 28, 2017 3:52 pm

    Got to go with Illinois, their team is young , but they have better competition in their conference. Wahine outside hitters going have hard time with the blocking of Illinois. If UH start to fall behind early, i belive they will loose focus on the match and their going to start making errors.
    If UH plays like they did on the road on their last two matches they may do well.
    I bet Illinois coaches must have a good idea about UH.
    Glad their going today,which gives them two days before the match. Hope for the best, anything can happen.

  12. Warriorfan November 28, 2017 4:14 pm

    wahine have faced better competition than Illinois and was right in all those matches albeit at home in the SSC.
    Wahine have to pass well and mckenna G Has to play well offensively for them to succeed

  13. rabbit ears November 28, 2017 5:07 pm

    #11 take it easy. Where the faith.

  14. Bleachercoach November 28, 2017 5:43 pm

    I don’t care what time the team leaves on a plane flight. We are in the NCAA Tournament. Kudos to the Coach Robyn and staff inaugural year. That alone is such an unreal accomplishment. If Hawaii plays the way they played their last 2 matches on the “road” , I am optimistic that Hawaii will do fine against Illinois. The “heart and will” to win comes from the other intangibles not measured by height and stats. It is Win or Go Home! The ‘lets do this’ mindset and playing loose is what I expect from our ladies after witnessing what they (as a team) had to endure throughout the season.
    Whatever happens in this 1st/2nd Round isn’t as important than the fact that many had count them out so early!

  15. Bleachercoach November 28, 2017 6:02 pm

    UC Irvine (23-7) Sweeps Sacramento St (26-10) . Scores were 25-16,15,10. They will meet Boise St or Pacific tomorrow in the 2nd Round of the NIVT.(?) Very Good win for the Big West!!!

  16. tako November 28, 2017 7:15 pm

    Per the News at 6:00pm Spectrum Sports to televise Saturday’s game at 3:00pm.

  17. Warriorfan November 28, 2017 7:31 pm

    It’s friday actually but hope there is a wahine match on saturday also.

  18. Bleachercoach November 28, 2017 8:02 pm

    Thank you Spectrum for televising 1st Round Match…I know you will televise 2nd Rd. too when we advance! Positive Vibes!

  19. FitTrainer November 28, 2017 8:14 pm

    18. Concur! Looking forward to the match(es)!!

  20. islandman November 28, 2017 9:55 pm

    Illinois has a better SA to SE ratio 74 % to UH’s 65 %. They have 2.91 blocks per set to UH’s 2.50 .
    Hitting Pct is .278 to UH’s .257 and they play in a “tougher” conference with 8 teams going to the NCAA’s, all ranked or receiving votes in the AVCA Poll.

  21. Blake November 29, 2017 8:36 am

    I’ll be at he game Friday…excited to cheer the wahine on…

  22. ManoaFan November 29, 2017 8:46 am

    McKenna Granato need to go off again like she did last year against Arizona. That will help tremendously.

  23. menehune November 29, 2017 2:04 pm

    20. The last time these two teams met, the undersized Wahine beat #5 ranked Illinois in the Stanford Regionals in 2009 and went on to the Final Four where they lost to eventual champion Penn State, 1-3.

    So all the stats you quoted may be true, but they don’t get points for all those “goodies.”

    GO BOWS.

  24. Cindy Luis November 29, 2017 2:08 pm
    new thread up for Wednesday
    Radio/TV info

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