X, Y and Z

If you’re keeping track, this is the current breakdown of receivers:

X — Chris Gant, Marcus Kemp

Y — Scott Harding

Z — Vasquez Haynes, Keith Kirkwood

The swing players are: Ammon Barker, Daniel Masifilo, Donnie King, Allen Sampson, Duke Bukoski, Bubba Poueu-Luna.

* * * * *


Billy Ray Stutzmann will be in the  mix after he is medically cleared. He is scheduled to undergo further tests, including a heart stress test, to determine why he passed out before being involved in a one-car accident on July 31. He has missed the first 11 days of training camp.

* * * * *

The offensive line also is settling. At the moment, the No. 1 unit is:

Left tackle — Sean Shigematsu

Left guard — Mike Milovale

Center — Ben Clarke

Right guard — Kody Afusia

Right tackle — Frank Loyd Jr.


The other top interior linemen are Sully Wiefels, Dave Lefotu, RJ Hollis, John Wa‘a and Brenden Urban

The other top tackles are Leo Koloamatangi and David Griffin.

* * * * *

There is a play that is unofficially known as “Uh-Oh.”

Penitito Faalologo, a 260-pound fullback, caught a pass in the right flat, cut upfield and teammates began yelling, “Uh, oh …”

Only the coach’s whistle ended the play.

* * * * *

Tight end Josh Long is scheduled to rejoin the team in two weeks. Long is recovering in California from the head injury he suffered from a skateboard accident earlier this summer. Long is expected to redshirt this season.

* * * * *

Last year, 6-foot-6 Luke Ingram snapped to 6-4 punter Alex Dunnachie. This year, 5-9 Brodie Nakama is snapping to 5-8 punter Ruben Guzman.

Let’s see, Nakama was raised in the Bay Area, John Brodie played for the 49ers … coinky dink?

* * * * *

And it’s futbol training camp, too:



  1. wowlaulau August 13, 2013 6:47 am


  2. HiFlyer August 13, 2013 6:48 am


  3. HiFlyer August 13, 2013 6:49 am


  4. tom-warriornation August 13, 2013 6:49 am

    50 yard sideline seats: UNLV Oct. 12 road game

    $55 each

    or $30 for great endzone seats

    UH ticket office price is $60 (for near endzone seats most likely)

    Sit safely with a 180+ other diehard Hawaii fans all wearing GREEN!

    also got tix for Reno ($32 vs UH ticket office @$37)–deadline today for Reno tix.

    Email me: tomkitaguchi@yahoo.com

  5. Old School Dave August 13, 2013 6:53 am

    Ah, futbol: “the beautiful game” as many Europeans refer to.

  6. haka August 13, 2013 6:55 am






    Go Warriors!

    Go Wahine!

  7. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 7:12 am

    Some what concerned on the starting O line…

    I personally wouldn’t offer a JC O lineman if i didn’t think he could start right away…

    Between Griffin, Weifels, and Hollis, I assumed 2 would start or I would have just found freshman I could redshirt and develop…

  8. papajoe 2 August 13, 2013 7:13 am

    Good morning everybody!

    Top 10.

  9. WarriorNY August 13, 2013 7:16 am

    Thanks for the update ST…

    Interesting that Keith Kirkwood jumped everyone else on the depth chart…And its only his second year playing football.

  10. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 7:18 am

    BRS, Wow, your health comes first so make such the blackout doesn’t happen again. Football is a game you enjoy but your health has to always come first.

  11. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 7:22 am

    #7 Jeezy,

    I would somewhat agree with you regarding the incomi g JC players. But I feel they need some time to learn the plays, etc. and in incumbents should be ahead at this point. HOWEVER, its still a few weeks before USC and I wouldn’t be surprised If changes are made before kickoff and during the game.

    Al least we have some depth on the oline and other positions.

  12. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 7:27 am

    11. Yeah I’ll wait and see… But also remember that the coaches gave Griffin all the 1st team reps over the spring. So for him to not have it means he didn’t do enough to hold on to his job. If he was performing well enough, the coaches would give him every opportunity to gel with the 1s. Thats just a fact.

    It was also mentioned on this blog that Milovale is the 2nd best Tackle on the team but want to use him at guard because that is where he fits best. So if no one is going out to take that RT job, that’s a concern.

  13. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 7:28 am

    If O line is a weakness and you scout properly, a JC recruit you target should be able to start. If our O line was a strength, I could see where you bring in a JC guy to add depth in case of injury.

  14. Whats up August 13, 2013 7:30 am

    jeezy33, while I agree with you that building the next O line is much needed, the current O line sucked so bad last year and the injury bug killed both Oline and D lines. I can’t blame Coach Naole for chosing a few JC’s to backfill and rotate in immediately and potientially start. Red shirts are when the Oline 1’s and 2’s are solid but we all know that wasn’t the case in 2013.

  15. Ipu Man August 13, 2013 7:32 am


    Luv your description, ST.

  16. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 7:33 am

    14. I’m all for JC recruiting.. But if I am going to sign 3 JC guys, I expect 2 of them to start. If O line is a weakness and you bring in 3 new guys to win a job…. They better win a job or else that means your scouting wasn’t accurate as you thought. Based on the depth chart, none of the JC guys have won a job yet. That is a bit concerning..

    That would be like your NFL team drafting a 1st round linemen and he is running with the 2s. IT doesn’t happen because of money reasons but you don’t draft a guy high to ride the pine. You dont sign JC guys to be back ups when you have huge holes to fill…

  17. Rodney August 13, 2013 7:36 am

    Imua Warriors!

    Coach Chow and staff

    coach em up!!!!!!

  18. ChowIsPau August 13, 2013 7:42 am

    jeezy33 definitely my concern. it really is a wonder why you get them if they ride pine.

    hope stutz is ok, good player, good family.

    oh and of course, Chow Is Pau! aloha.

  19. WarriorNY August 13, 2013 7:46 am

    Wasn’t Haynes a JC guy?

  20. Robert (not K) August 13, 2013 7:53 am

    X,Y and Z. Thanks St for suplaining dat caz I wen go public skuul and no can count dat hi.

  21. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 7:55 am

    19. Yes but I am talking O line…..

  22. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 7:55 am

    #19 WarriorNY,

    If you are referring to Vasquez Hayes, he is a JC receiver. ST said he was doing very good but injured his right shoulder diving for a ball. Think he was scheduled to be back sometime this week.

  23. rebelwarrior August 13, 2013 7:58 am

    Its not what Norm Chow knows or how big the playbook is…. its what the players know. Established an identity on O??? Little finesse old BYU LAVEL EDWARDS ATTACK,JJ RNS, CHIP OREGONS ZONESPREAD. KINGSBURY TEXASTECH RAID or simple smash style ala BAMA, STANFORD, KAHUKU style (BUT need the Horses) lol and play fast and hard. Will find out when the lights come on vs SC or after couple gms in the season. D is gonna be SOLID!!! SEASONS ALMOST HERE!!!!

  24. tommui August 13, 2013 8:00 am


    If the frosh can help us immediately, great! If the JCs can help us immediately, great!

  25. warriorfan August 13, 2013 8:07 am

    As for the O-Line In Chris Naeole We Trust

    Jeezy33 Relax The best man will start.

  26. Rodney August 13, 2013 8:14 am

    Kudos In Naole I trust.

    Shigematsu is really a lot

    better then last year,seems

    a little more nasty and stronger!

  27. haka August 13, 2013 8:17 am

    Could it just be that the JC guys are getting beat out. I don’t think it is a given that a JC guy has to start? You recruit the best you can get, but that doesn’t mean the other guys aren’t working their butts off to take the job. The freshman need to get stronger and the JC recruits if nothing else, provide depth. Whether they win the job or not, it’s all about quality competition at every position.

  28. papajoe2 August 13, 2013 8:21 am

    Only 11 guys on the field at a time. 11 on O. 11 on D. 11 (although some may be the same) or more (punt, kickoffs, PAT, return) on special teams. That’s 33 minimum. We have 85 scholarships. Not everybody can start. You have to take a chance on a recruit based on recommendation, film and watching him live and even size, evaluating his potential, personal history, etc.. Coaches see what or who they need. Not all the players pan out. By the same token, some walk-ons will do great.

  29. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 8:37 am

    #27 Haka,

    Spot on comments.

  30. A-House August 13, 2013 8:37 am

    On Friday, the company shut down our computer program to install a new program that is supposed to be “tech-of-the-line”.

    Got me a new password, being using it all this time, and now when the real deal occurred, the program will not accept my password – just damn frustrating when go so much work to do!

  31. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:42 am

    27. Never said its a given… But if you saw our Oline play last year, you would know that it was a huge weakness….. No one can ignore that… So if the JC guys are getting beat out, I am simply saying that our coaches missed it the scouting department… There is a reason why the coaches signed that many JC O linemen… It was because they needed to patch up a weakness…. If we are trying to say Norm is a better recruiter than Mack, looking at the O line, it doesn’t hold true as of this point. There is still 2 weeks left though. But I am just bringing up a concern…

  32. Haleakala August 13, 2013 8:50 am

    All the players are in better shape than last year. The new strength coach is changing their bodies from Clark Kents to Supermen!

  33. jm2375 August 13, 2013 8:51 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    The “uh-oh” play. That’s what the opposing defenses are gonna say. 😆



  34. madeinhawaii August 13, 2013 8:52 am

    Insofar as the Oline is concerned, I thought that during the 1st year, the JC guys were usually the 2nd team back-ups or utility players (multiple position backups). For them to jump into a D1 first team, they had to be exceptional at the JC level playing against exceptional teams.

  35. slenzi August 13, 2013 8:57 am

    #32 jeezy33

    O-line play probably relies on chemistry more than any other position combos. Looking at the names, and the number of years in the program, this may be the year when the Chemistry comes around. Hoping sooner than later, but if even by mid-year it will be a beautiful thing. Jealous watching Cam Cameron working with the New Orleans Saints o-line.

  36. slenzi August 13, 2013 9:00 am

    Prayers and best wishes to Billy Ray, STL 2009.

  37. haka August 13, 2013 9:02 am


    Yes, I did see our O-line play and yes, it was a weakness. You say that you wouldn’t offer a JC O lineman if you didn’t think he could start right away and that between Griffin, Weifels, and Hollis, you assumed 2 would start or you would have just found freshman you could redshirt and develop. With that said, let’s say we recruited freshmen and they are redshirting. How does that strengthen the weakness on the O-line that you are talking about? Your concern is warranted, but I don’t understand the logic. You hope for the best when you recruit, but it doesn’t always go as planned. But hey, until we play, they will be a concern as will the team as a whole. Let’s Go Rainbow Warriors!

  38. J-FORCE August 13, 2013 9:02 am

    Glad to see we’re getting some good competition on the

    o-line. Depth is always a good thing especially on linemen.

    Gotta battle it out ’till game day.

    Go Hawaii!!

    Go Warriors!!

    Go Rainbow Warriors!!

  39. PolyMom August 13, 2013 9:04 am

    Everyone should play!

    Geez we are starting week 3 with no CBS. We just got a letter saying we already pay 2 dollars per household. Now they want to raise CBS 600 percent. They need to be their own pay per view channel. Sorry not worth 14 dollars a month. All of us in the large markets are taking the hit so they don’t raise your cable 600 percent. If I could I would get rid of CBS. I don’t miss you. I can buy individual games.

  40. mauiwarrior August 13, 2013 9:04 am


    Completely understand what you’re saying, maybe the JC guys were recruited after our original Oline recruiting targets(High School) committed else where……..O line has been a concern since Coach Cav left, hopefully Coach Naeole can bring that success back!

  41. dream city mike August 13, 2013 9:05 am

    Good morning everyone! I think the coaching staff is creating a very competitive atmosphere. Which is exactly what the staff desires and thus creating depth and an overall up grade in performance come game time. Nothing is set in stone when it comes to recruiting whether he’s a JC transfer, a 4-star or walk-on h.s. athlete. The recruit still needs to earn it, nothing is given to him. The competition is then healthy and depth is created from it. Yah so Jeezy it will work itself out and we will be a better team for it. “Fight on Rainbow Warriors!”

  42. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 9:08 am

    35. The main idea behind JC recruiting in general is you go after a JC guy because you recognize a weakness on your team and you bring in that guy to fill that in immediately while your freshman can redshirt, get stronger, and develop..

    If the coaches didn’t feel like those guys couldn’t come in and win a job, they wouldn’t have been recruited.

    There is a reason a JC QB hasn’t been targeted. No immediate need. There is a reason why a JC WR was. We did have a need and I fully expect Vasquez Haynes to make an impact this year.

    I should correct my statement about who was a better recruiter. I am strictly talking O line play and recruiting.

    I think everyone expected Griffin was going to win a tackle job coming in. So it has to be a concern that he hasn’t yet considering he did graduate early and was here for spring ball.

  43. boolakanaka August 13, 2013 9:08 am

    Aloha all….ahh, ST nice with the futebol….In a previous career I was in Brasil in a small town in Santarém in the state of Pará , and well Brasil was playing in the world cup, but because its games were being held in Japan. Because of the time difference, every night or early morning, at approximately 3:00am or so, sirens would howl throughout the city and bars would reopen to invite fans to watch the games at 3:00am….now, that is what I can some real fans!!

  44. dream city mike August 13, 2013 9:09 am

    Coach Chow could not have made a better choice in the o-line coach. Keep the faith, he’ll get it done! Ambush SC!

  45. Old School Dave August 13, 2013 9:12 am

    Surprised to hear the Oregon State Football beat writer said that offensive line play has been inconsistent over the last few years under Mike Cavanaugh. Last season the OSU O-line improved and contributed to their 9-4 record.

  46. Capitolist/WassupDoc August 13, 2013 9:15 am

    Where can we get information about the August 29 T-Gate?

    Our season tickets for the volleyball matches are right in the center three rows above the concourse. It only took us seven seasons two years ago to get them.

  47. (Jesse)James August 13, 2013 9:18 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!!

  48. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 9:19 am

    38. It doesn’t strengthen it a whole lot as far as immediate. But if you sign 3 JC Olinemen that don’t start, that doesn’t strengthen much either.

    I think JC O line recruiting was a must. Just like LBs were. But maybe because Naeole was a late hire, we didn’t have enough time to evaluate guys who can come in and start. Identifying talent is half the battle.

    Like I said, I know the O line isn’t settled yet. I’ll wait it out and see what happens. Just a small concern considering when Muir transferred, It was made out clear that Griffin was brought in to be his replacement. He isn’t on the 1st team so that kind of tells you he is a little behind at the moment.

  49. Slugger August 13, 2013 9:31 am

    Good morning, gang!

    Hope BRS is OK. Health is more important than playing football.

    Going to practice! Yay!

  50. WarriorNY August 13, 2013 9:39 am

    Hey guys,

    Just curious, for anyone who’s been at practice, how has Anthony Pierce been doing? Does he have a chance to play a lot? And what happened to Tony Grimes?

  51. NotNasti August 13, 2013 9:40 am

    No worries Jeezy, we get what you’re saying. Recruiting is an inexact science, however. I’m sure this happens at a lot of mid-major to lower level programs where we bring in JC players who don’t immediately start, or are cut out by returning players who improved, or because the JC players didn’t pan out. Sometimes, there are successes, like Alex Green (a late addition from JC). Sometimes, not.

  52. SteveM August 13, 2013 9:42 am

    Good morning everyone!

    “uh-oh” plays stir the imagination…especially out in the flats. 🙂

  53. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 9:44 am

    52. Considering Milovale came in last year and did a decent job, I was just hoping for the same…

  54. Former UH Athlete August 13, 2013 9:53 am

    I think its a good thing that the 1st team looks like its fairly set. The more this unit practices together as a unit, the better it will be for the season.

    I guess that this will be Uh-Oh v 2.0:

    Uh-oh v 1.0 = Reagan Mauia

    Uh-oh v 1.1 = Nate Ilaoa

    Uh-oh v 2.0 = Penitito Faalologo

    Amazingly, Faalologo might be the lightest of the three.

    Also, I just saw Faalologo’s HS video highlights… He’s a heck of a ILB. If he had to convert to FB, then UH is in really good shape at LB.

  55. J-FORCE August 13, 2013 9:55 am

    Last 2 days of practice at Ching field.

  56. oldtimer808 August 13, 2013 9:58 am

    Jeezy33 relax that’s why you’re not the coach. Let the coaches coach who are with these players daily. You recruit based on the information. These are young men recruited to be college football players not professionals being drafted. You really never know what you have until you have the student/atheletes in camp. I think Coach Naole has been around long enough to know what kind of offensive linemen he wants in the trenches.

  57. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 9:59 am

    Jeezy is just bringing up his opinion which he is entitled to. He said he is CONCERNED with the oline.

    Chris Naole was hired by UH on 2/11. I think that was a few days before signing day. I don’t think it was possible to add his two cents so he gets a pass this year.

  58. Old School Dave August 13, 2013 10:07 am

    No more Taco Bell on campus. They’re replacing it with some type of “healthy stir fry” restaurant!! What is this world coming too??


  59. oldtimer808 August 13, 2013 10:11 am

    Warrior Dave I don’t think anyone said that jeezy was not entitled to his own opinion. It is ok to be concerned with the oline but it is the way he stated everything in the “I” man point of view. Coach Naole will take the oline that he has and develop them so the recruits that were brought in prior to joining the staff is not a big concern. Naole is one tough hard guy and will get his point across and make them play the way it should be played.

  60. RichfromOC August 13, 2013 10:11 am

    43. It appears the returning or incoming players have been reevaluated and the coaches are trying out different combinations. For example, I would never have imagined Lefotu would be fighting for his right guard position and against a teammate who originally was recruited as a center. This will be a very interesting season.

  61. Former UH Athlete August 13, 2013 10:19 am

    #60… no more Taco Bell at Campus Center? Oh well, I’m a Del Taco guy. I think the last time I ate Taco Bell was at Campus Center back in 2003. Had a Chalupa and a Gordita w/ fruit punch.

  62. d1shima August 13, 2013 10:22 am

    Great Morning All!

    Hoping for the best for BRS. Go Crusader!

    As far as OL is concerned, what would camp be without competition? An optimist might say that the returnees have improved to the point that they are beyond what was expected of the JC newcomers.

  63. d1shima August 13, 2013 10:23 am

    ….we undefeated right now. I’m an Optimist!

    GO BOWS!

  64. WarriorNY August 13, 2013 10:25 am

    Hey guys…

    Hawaii Athletics posted some more vids… WR’s and TE’s…



  65. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 10:29 am

    58. Old Timer…This is a blog. Chill out.. If only every unsuccessful college program could use your excuses, every coach in America would keep their jobs…

    I’m sure Boise St and Alabama have no idea what they have when they recruit guys… Must be lucky that their guys always succeed.

  66. Former UH Athlete August 13, 2013 10:29 am

    JC guys are brought in for immediate impact, however, the returners from last year all one year ahead of the JC recruits in terms of knowledge of the playbook, schemes and terminology. So it’s not too surprising that some of the young guys are beating out the new JC players. The learning curve is much steeper for incoming JCs.

    Just need to remember why guys go JC in the first place… Physical talent is usually not the reason why players go JC out of high school. Many players end up at JC because they couldn’t qualify into D1 schools. Or because they were just too small/light to get scholarship offers from D1 programs, but physically mature during JC and are D1 ready when they transfer.

  67. jimmy the lock August 13, 2013 10:29 am

    Ellison’s an IT guy. Lassner’s an IT guy. Let’s make IT happen!

    And GO O-LINE!

  68. Former UH Athlete August 13, 2013 10:30 am

    Just to add on my last comment: Academics is why UH lost a few JC transfers in this past recruiting class. This does happen at just about every D1 program every year.

  69. d1shima August 13, 2013 10:34 am

    “Hope for the future” was about the only thing that a fan could hang onto last season as several starting positions were opened up to Freshmen.

    This season the hope may be “the future is now”!

  70. gobows August 13, 2013 10:35 am

    john wa’a and elijah tupai will beat out the jc transfers when they get their shot next year. and you throw in koloamantgi to go with ben clarke and the o-line should be nice in 2015.

  71. gobows August 13, 2013 10:39 am


  72. PurpleMaple August 13, 2013 10:40 am

    Actually, there is only one JC O-lineman recruited this past recruiting season – David Griffin. RJ Hollis and Sully Wiefels are transfers with three years to play. John Wa’a (true freshman), Kiha Sai (redshirt freshman) and Leo Koloamatangi (redshirt freshman) are the O-line freshman on the team. There are five O-line sophmores, five juniors and a lone senior (Mike Milovale). Two were medically retired – Chauncey Winchester Makanai and Jordan Loeffler and one transferred out – Blake Miur. Would have been better if Miur stayed and if Makanai could have worked through a steady stream of injuries. But, all in all, I would say the coaching staff did okay. Could they have done better? Of course. But they could also have done better in other ares such as defensive end, middle and WOLB. All need more depth for the future. So again they will face the same dilemma – freshmen or JC recruits in filling the gaps next recruiting season.

  73. RedZone August 13, 2013 10:43 am

    How is the defense doing? Is there a depth chart?

  74. gobows August 13, 2013 10:45 am


    my choice for hawaii football mvp in 2006…reagan mauia.

    used to love to see defensive ends come flying around the edge and get blasted on their okole… then quit playing everytime they saw #34 waiting in the backfield.

  75. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 10:48 am

    69…. Why is there always have to be an excuse for a reason something doesn’t work out?

    Coach Chow simply said David Griffin was going to ease the lose of Blake Muir when he signed. If David doesn’t start, that is either a failure to recruit a solid LT or a failure to develop him in time for the season. He was here for spring ball.

    And I know there is still 2 weeks left in camp but if you’re going to go out and say you brought in someone to be your LT and it doesn’t happen, something went wrong there. Even if Shigematsu improved a lot, Griffin should with the RT job..

  76. Green Warrior August 13, 2013 10:49 am

    Is Tigi Hill still on the football team? I don’t see his name anywhere. There was a lot of hype about this Kahuku grad transferring to UH last fall from a JC.

  77. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 10:53 am

    73. You haven’t even see half of those guys play you are naming and you say our O line will be nice… I like the optimism but you are pretty much looking at a piece of paper that have stars on them and saying these guys will be legit… Same thing was said last year when Kiha Sai had stars and signed with UH… and I got bashed because I saw him play a few times and said he didn’t have good enough feet to play o line.

  78. Da Punchbowl Kid August 13, 2013 11:04 am

    Naeole is going to have the best guys playing. Period.

    Take care Billy Ray, get better soon!

  79. PeteJek August 13, 2013 11:07 am

    Re: receiving corp – the objective first & foremost should be to stay on the field – i.e. move the chains and convert first downs. The offense struggled in that area – among many others – last year. For that reason, I think Stutzmann should have the upper hand upon his return for starting at the other WR spot. His experience not only in Chow’s scheme but in the run-n-shoot give him an advantage over the newcomers. The emphasis i think should be more on crisp route running, hands, and YAC ability, rather than size and speed. Davone Bess and Greg Salas were neither the fastest, nor biggest receivers, but were still able to create separation from defenders. They thrived in June Jones’ system, and they would most certainly excel in Chow’s as well.

  80. Old School Dave August 13, 2013 11:08 am

    “In Naeole We Trust.” “Ornery” – I like that description of Coach N. Backups gotta be ready to go at any time. All it takes is one play and you can be thrown into the fire.

  81. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 11:08 am

    81.. That’s obvious but if your teams biggest weakness is O line, and you don’t bring in new guys to patch up a weakness, you failed to recruit that position… No way to deny that…

  82. warriorfan August 13, 2013 11:13 am

    I will say again: In Chris Naeole We Trust Remember Chris was not involved with the recruiting process for any of these kids, did not make any promises to them about playing time. He can be much more objective about the players.

    I say again, In Chris Naeole We trust

  83. Da Punchbowl Kid August 13, 2013 11:13 am


  84. haka August 13, 2013 11:13 am

    84 – Ok, the coaches failed. Our O-line play will not be improved. No denying.

  85. tommui August 13, 2013 11:18 am

    One blogger is concerned about of O Line. One blogger thinks the O line will be nice.

    One is saying the sky is falling; one is saying the sky is OK.

    Perhaps we should wait till the whistle blows and the game starts?

  86. Shadow August 13, 2013 11:28 am

    Needless noise – best will start – who cares if it is returnee, jc, or frosh. Recruiting ain’t an exact science – you go for the best you can get & work with what comes. If talent level not much different from 1st & 2nd string – all the much better. You’re gonna need ’em all at some point in time.

  87. jimmy the lock August 13, 2013 11:34 am

    If you are deemed a weakness, you man up. Use the tools and resources available. Come in next season and prove it…

    Sure you can’t train yourself to be all-world but at least be the best you can be, that’s all one can ask for.

  88. al August 13, 2013 11:34 am

    tommui…or perhaps we should discuss this over a hamburger?

  89. al August 13, 2013 11:34 am

    tommui…or perhaps we should discuss this over a hamburger?

  90. al August 13, 2013 11:42 am

    i agree with jeezy’s diagnosis. it is true that you patch with the more mature jc players. the premise of quick fix is found even with the big bcs budgeted powerhouses.

    what does bringing in jc guys do to your team?

    a. wake up call for the returnees.

    b. the awaken work harder.

    c. increases competitiveness a.k.a. survival of the fittest.

    d. returnees finally achieve their potential.

    e. all of the above.

  91. Whats up August 13, 2013 11:47 am

    The O line battle is not done yet? I will reserve an judgement on who the starters are really going to be until about the 3rd or 4th game of the season. The O line shuffle should be done by then, barring any major injuries, then the shuffle is back on just like last season.

  92. Pomai August 13, 2013 11:51 am

    Doc same place same time…..

  93. madeinhawaii August 13, 2013 11:51 am

    2006 was the best O-line in years…in fact, I can’t remember any better. Maybe that’s just part of the Mid-major curse. 90% of the time you excel in one area only to have a glaring weakness in another.

  94. Gsky August 13, 2013 11:54 am

    We recruited a bunch of guys to fill the oline holes and it turns out the guys we had are better. Oh well, better luck next time. Play ball! Lol

  95. PeteJek August 13, 2013 11:54 am

    Re: o-line, does the transition to more of a shotgun formation mean anything?

  96. Inyoface August 13, 2013 11:57 am

    How can we have an o-line problem? We’re in a place where o-linemen are bred. I’ve never heard of that being a concern on any other UH team in the past. I think it was more of a scheme change last year that they they had to adjust to or it could be a combination of other things but this year they will be much better under Naeole. WE WILL PREVAIL.

  97. boolakanaka August 13, 2013 12:06 pm

    Do we have tackles who have the dexterity and skill to play, either LT or RT? Or as Yogi Berra so eloquently placed it…”He hits from both sides of the plate. He’s amphibious”

  98. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 12:11 pm

    87. Haka , why always such ignorant comments with nothing to back up your statements? I said IF…..

    Blake Muir was the starting LT… So as a HC, if you say we brought in so and so to replace someone and be out starter, and that does not happen, you didn’t improve.

    Honestly, Being a Hawaii fan doesn’t mean you have to agree with every decision the coaches make or praise everything that happens. If I were to say Hawaii is going to have the top O line in the conference(which I wont do) everyone on here would be high fiving me and jumping on.. But it doesn’t hurt to state a concern where concern is due and give praise when praise is due…

  99. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 12:12 pm

    88… Concern VS Sky is falling is a huge exaggeration.. Just saying…

  100. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 12:12 pm

    88… Concern VS Sky is falling is a huge exaggeration.. Just saying…

  101. boolakanaka August 13, 2013 12:13 pm

    Outside the world of Warriors football, it is looking more and more, like Johnny M., will be not be in the opening day lineup: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9562044/texas-aggies-qb-johnny-manziel-signed-two-more-sessions-sources

  102. Manoa Mist August 13, 2013 12:14 pm

    #79 Green Warrior. I thought Hill didn’t qualify for school so he’s out.

  103. NotNasti August 13, 2013 12:16 pm

    Jeezy, great discussion topic. If anything, you keep this blog moving. I appreciate your insight. As the old saying goes, “the good news is . . . everybody’s coming back next year . . . the bad news is . . . everybody’s coming back next year.”

    I hope this is not true. Coach ’em up Naeole! We need your help. I am hoping for an improved O-line this year.

  104. Buffoman August 13, 2013 12:24 pm

    With new o-line coach Naeole, we do not know if Muir stayed he would necessarily have been in the starting position he vacated. New coach, different teaching technique, different expectations so he will fit the pieces that he feels would best address the overall strategy of the offense.

    Competition is good. Maybe Griffin could have been the fit with another coach, who knows. What we know is that coach Naeole has expectations and those who deliver are going to be given the first opportunity to show it on the field. Others who did not rise to the occasion would have to keep improving and be recognized as it is my understanding that no one is locked in to being the entrenched starter forever.

  105. boolakanaka August 13, 2013 12:24 pm

    Hey, the preseason is the time for promise and hyperbole…no one has lost a game yet, and we are all undefeated. Along those lines, again quoting the sage man of sports himself….Yogi….”“Half the lies they tell about me aren’t true.”

  106. tommui August 13, 2013 12:26 pm

    #91 AL – when?

  107. Shoko August 13, 2013 12:37 pm

    Well, the way I interpreted the blog entry is that the o-line is not set in stone and is subject to change. Let’s wait for an official announcement of the depth chart then we can criticize…lol.

    Anyway, just hope we’re not playing musical chairs with the o-line when the season is well underway.

  108. OC Warrior August 13, 2013 12:41 pm

    Didn’t Sean Shigematsu start the first two games last year before being injured?

  109. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 12:50 pm

    106… Exactly… and to the others… Sorry I don’t drink kool-aid.. I just call it like my eyes see it..

  110. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 12:52 pm

    If Blake Muir didn’t transfer, he would 100% be starting. To know the his void hasn’t been filled yet… It is pretty concerning and if I’m dumb for recognizing that, then so be it….

  111. kapakahi August 13, 2013 12:59 pm


    No doubt about it!

  112. bowwar August 13, 2013 1:00 pm

    Everything said is just talk until the games begin…I think there is reason for optimism. Let the games begin and we’ll find out how good of a job Chow and his staff has done. I’m sure in the first two series again USC, we’ll find out how good our team is.

    Imua Warriors!

  113. NotNasti August 13, 2013 1:06 pm

    I got the following from the Baylor Bears blog about Blake Muir:

    Based on what the linked blog says and comments from a Hawaii board,

    I think that it’s clear that Blake felt like the environment there was not conducive to his long term development. Leaving aside other players who have left the program recently because of their poor experiences one year into a new coaching regime, I think the best evidence that something is up is his weight loss.

    According to one of the blog posts, Muir dropped 38 pounds over the course of the season, down to 268. While it’s common for bigger players to lose weight over the season, that is an eye-popping amount that I’ve never seen before. I think it was also concerning to Blake Muir. He apparently had already put back 16 pounds on after the winter break, so I’m pretty confident that Muir can get back up to the 300+ range that we like our OL to play at, especially in light of the year off.


    by Prashanth Francis on Feb 9, 2013 | 2:32 PM

    Additionally to the post.

    I should probably speak up on this considering I’m responsible for the filming, taking care of Blake’s blog and being his initial coach in Australia.

    I keep the blog up to date as best as possible so that Blake’s former team mates in Australia can keep up with him (he does not post on FB or twitter).

    His brother will be a freshman, 5 to play 4.

    Baylor obviously has a very good reputation for sensible and coherent athletic preparation of its players. That was not occurring at Hawaii, that’s the simplest way I explain it.

    Here’s to a productive future.

    by Hawkpeter on Feb 9, 2013 | 3:16 PM

  114. haka August 13, 2013 1:08 pm


    Ignorant. Ok. Aloha, you da man.

  115. NotNasti August 13, 2013 1:11 pm

    Re: Blake Muir Leaving

    A little disconcerting if that’s our reputation in the football community. Hopefully Beemer and Naeole will turn that reputation around.

  116. Old School Dave August 13, 2013 1:16 pm

    We need to rally and pull behind the players that are here playing for the University of Hawaii.

    BTW, looks like former Warrior and now UCLA assistant Adrian Klemm and the other Bruin assistants got a nice pay raise.


  117. LizKauai August 13, 2013 1:26 pm

    HEALING ENERGY… all who ail.. <3 Billy Ray <3

    I wanna see me some uh-oh in a couplea weeks…


  118. boolakanaka August 13, 2013 1:28 pm

    96—madeinhawaii, Sorry, with all due respect that would be the 1982 bows….Jesse Sapolu, Mark Tuinei (although he played on the other side of the ball) and Jim Mills. Collectively, you have over 250 NFL games, 7 super bowls, and 5 pro bowls.

  119. NotNasti August 13, 2013 1:33 pm

    Wow! Adrian Klemm $340,000/yr. & Jeff Ulbrich $275,000/yr. We need those guys! But we can’t afford them. Maybe Jeff Ulbrich, head coach, Hawaii (in the future)?

  120. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 1:38 pm

    123. That’s who I’ve wanted from the get go… LBs usually have that fire and leadership quality you need in a HC. The guy has passion, connections, and knowledge. Sometimes you need to take a chance on a guy with upside with less experience…

  121. boolakanaka August 13, 2013 1:42 pm

    123…NotNasti…we certainly have a bunch of local guys that are primed to be a HC, OC, or DC in the potential future. Off the top of my head….including those previously mentioned….Duane Akina, Dino Babers, Brian Norwood, Kim Mccloud, Ken N., Ivin Jasper, Shaun Nua…..

  122. cocobean August 13, 2013 1:48 pm

    The best thing I can say about the O line is there’s more competition for starting positions than last year. Same for skilled receivers and running back. TE and safety are two positions in my opinion where the starters aren’t being pushed by strong competition.

    Football is a “next man up” sport. You want your backups to come in with little or no drop off in performance.

    It’s been often said that the main difference between BCS schools and everyone else is the quality of depth the BCSers have over the mids. To quote one of BC’s favorite lines….”we have some good players just not enough of them.

  123. NotNasti August 13, 2013 1:53 pm

    125. Boola, those guys you mention for a HC position are ready now. All should have been in consideration for the current job, and/or the next job. IMO Ulbrich is not ready yet.

  124. NotNasti August 13, 2013 1:55 pm

    I think Akina or Norwood would have been excellent choices to replace Mack.

  125. Pomai August 13, 2013 1:58 pm

    #109 TOMMUI – where?

  126. uppah campus August 13, 2013 2:02 pm

    if Akina is good enough to be HC at Hawaii, WHY isn’t he a HC somewhere, NOW.?

  127. Buffoman August 13, 2013 2:08 pm

    Who knows, maybe as this team finds success and our staff continues to develop, maybe someone will rise to the occasion when the leader steps away. Tuioti, Naeole, Powell all those young guys may be just the right fit.

    The right fit is important, Neuheisel (sp?) could not work in his new gig, nor could Hawkins at CU. Guys may be hugely qualified but just can’t fit. Martz was terrific a few years with the Rams and just could not find that success again.

    Time will tell.

  128. Duh! August 13, 2013 2:12 pm

    K den Jeezy, which linemen can be brought up to speed this year?

  129. d1shima August 13, 2013 2:13 pm

    Speaking of “uh-oh” plays…

    Saw a replay of 2012 Bama-LSU game. That screen to JC Copeland that fueled LSU’s last TD drive definitely qualified.

  130. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 2:23 pm

    132. None now.. signing day was in Feb..

  131. NotNasti August 13, 2013 2:44 pm

    Jeezy you da bull in da ring and errybody calling your numba.

  132. boolakanaka August 13, 2013 2:50 pm

    130—part of Duane’s problem is or was similar to Norm’s, that is to say, he is one those assistants that makes upward of 400-500k, in a very stable, and premier program. Makes the incentive to leave a lot less pressing…..

  133. oldtimer808 August 13, 2013 3:08 pm

    #68 what excuses are you referring to? Please enlighten me. Yes you’re right this is a blog. If I struck a nerve than I apologize but let the coaches coach. We are not there with these student/athletes at every practice nor do we have an insight as to the personalities and dramas that do occur on this team as well as on any other team. Just because people observe from the outside and form opinions does not constitute the reality that is on the field and in the locker room. We all contribute to the blog in some fashion so that all may think about what is being stated.

  134. slenzi August 13, 2013 3:09 pm

    #44 boolakanaka

    Did not know you used to live in Brasil. Do you ever hear my cousins play their own brand of classic rock, Lenzi Brothers Band?

    Lenzi Brothers é:

    Marzio Lenzi: Voz / Guitarra

    Samuel Lenzi: Baixo / Voz

    Matheus Lenzi: Bateria / Voz



  135. cocobean August 13, 2013 3:16 pm

    Chow is not pau, he just needs time.

    My impression of Chow is he’s a no nonsense guy very detailed oriented. Will not take short cuts or cut corners to build the program. He has his vision in place but lacks the right building materials at this time. At the pace he’s building it’ll take at least another year or two to see positive results in the W-L column.

    If he’still around when his first group of Frosh graduates we should have a solid program. His biggest downside is he doesn’t have the IT factor. He doesn’t have the force of personality that literally wills his teams to win. JJ and Tomey had IT. They led and their teams followed their lead. Chow is more of a craftsman than a natural leader.

  136. boolakanaka August 13, 2013 3:18 pm

    144….Oi, Tudo bom! Very cool, actually one my fav brasilian groups is legião urbana. But, your relatives group sounds great!!

  137. slenzi August 13, 2013 3:36 pm

    Over the years, it seems like “playing time” is one of the best recruiting tools. Just knowing that there is a fair and open competition for practice reps and playing time brings in some pretty motivated players. Eventually you settle on the final depth chart and roster, but you motivated the heck out of everyone … redshirts, scouts, and other players ready to give their all when someone tweaks a knee or shoulder.

  138. tommui August 13, 2013 3:37 pm

    I used to handle divorces and there were times, I would hear 40+ uncontested divorce matters in a day, not to mention a bunch of contested ones.

    It occurred to me following all the discussion of recruiting for the O-Line and D-Line, that if people make wrong choices in selecting their husbands/wives, presumably after a long courtship, why are coaches supposedly infallible in recruiting linemen?

    Just wondering.

  139. slenzi August 13, 2013 3:50 pm

    And what if a coach does everything right, and a great recruit, ready to be a prime time player like Tyler Gronke just goes off the track, no matter what the coach does? One of saddest days, my boy made “Its Tyler Time” banner, took it up on the hill for first day of fall practice and never got to unfold it.

  140. Haleakala August 13, 2013 3:55 pm

    Hmm… all this talk about concerns about why JC transfers have not yet established starting positions. There is no discussion whether last year players have improved physically and tactically. Is that not a possibility? Credit needs to be given to the players who worked hard during the off season.

    Below is an article about Mike Milovale who was thrown into the fire last year shortly after he arrived in Hawaii. He also spent the off-season in the weight room to improve his speed and strength so much so that his high school coach notices that he even looks different.

    “Last year was a big adjustment,” Milovale said. “I was learning a system, playing Division I football. I just feel like I can handle any position on the line this season.”

    Part of that confidence stems from having an entire off-season to fully grasp the playbook and improve his speed and strength in the weight room.

    “He’s trimmed down,” Collins said. “He came in with raw natural size. Now his physique has a completely different makeup.”


  141. Shoko August 13, 2013 3:59 pm

    Probably due to their job being on the line which why most want contracts with guarantees if things don’t pan out. Its the nature of the business.

  142. Haleakala August 13, 2013 4:00 pm

    Sorry that was Mike’s JC coach who noticed the change in Mike’s physique. But note that Mike said it was also an adjustment last year to play D1 football but after the off-season he feels now that he is ready.

  143. AllG August 13, 2013 4:07 pm

    Adrian Klemm was my first choice for Head Coach. Great recruiter where ever he has gone. I would like to see Rolo back as OC and Ulbrich as our DC. That would be a killer staff and a staff that can grow with the program. We missed the ball on Chow before and he is too old now, should have never been hired. He maybe has 2 years left in him and its rebuilding all over again.

  144. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 4:36 pm

    Meanwhile, the offense kicked butt today. O-line looked pretty good. This was Graham’s best day of practice.

  145. d1shima August 13, 2013 4:38 pm

    Lots of questions and 2nd guessing today.

    Lots of answers in 16 days and about 3 and-a-half hours.

  146. d1shima August 13, 2013 4:39 pm



  147. Slugger August 13, 2013 4:40 pm


    Coach Chow IS a no nonsense guy. You shoulda heard him at practice today.

    I get to go to annodah practice tomorrow!

    The guys just want your support…win or lose. They would rather win, but they appreciate you being there to cheer them on. So… go to the games!


  148. Inyoface August 13, 2013 4:41 pm

    Nice ST!

  149. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 4:47 pm

    Taylor Graham: 8 of 16 for 139 yards, 2 TDs, 1 Int.

    Sean Schroeder: 4 of 6 for 67yards, 1 TD

  150. 3-Prong August 13, 2013 4:48 pm

    Passionate posts on the blog Today!!!

  151. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 4:49 pm

    Graham opened the scrimmage with a completion of 33 yards to Keith Kirkwood, then a 32-yard scoring pass to Scott Harding. Scoring drive: 2 plays, 65 yards, 25 seconds elapsed time.

  152. Shoko August 13, 2013 4:49 pm

    Day off on Sunday is probably what the team needed.

  153. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 4:50 pm

    UH went with a no-huddle offense today. It opened in a five-receiver formation.

  154. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 4:51 pm

    And, yep, it was a full-contact scrimmage. (Too much contact at one point.)

    And, yes, it rained.

  155. 3-Prong August 13, 2013 4:51 pm

    ST: Is the reason for the average completion percentages due to stretching the field more, or due to accuracy and/or timing issues?

  156. Rodney August 13, 2013 4:53 pm

    #148 Amen

    Support our team!!!!

    We are better then last yr.

    So is the dam schedule!

    We will probably start off 0-4

    Imua Warriors!!!!

  157. Shoko August 13, 2013 5:00 pm

    And some folks were worried that Chow would revert back to the two-back set.

  158. PeteJek August 13, 2013 5:25 pm

    Norm Chow’s offense utilizes multiple sets, including the 2-back formation. That will not change this year. Blog host’s mention of 5-WR’s is meant to create a narrative that Chow will open the offense up this season. Something which remains to be seen.

    That said, the issue last year was less about conservative play calling, but the inability to execute the plays effectively — for a multitude of reasons. As a result, 2012 Warriors were essentially Norm Chow on tranquilizers. 2013 Rainbow Warriors wont come close to run n shoot number’s – that’s not the point – but the objectivw is to at minimum, keep the ball longer on offense, and hopefully score more points.

  159. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 5:36 pm

    UH will employ a fullback, maybe up to 15 times a game.

    The difference is that unless it’s a short-yardage situation, there won’t be a blocking tight end and fullback on the field at the same time.

  160. Duh! August 13, 2013 5:37 pm

    Well if the coaches give up cause they think no more decent o-linemen, then just call it 0-12 already and no need show up. Somehow I think they not going quit though.

  161. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 5:38 pm

    The intent is to practice then play at a faster tempo.

    Right now, focus on the pace. The fine-tuning comes when they narrow the rotation during Pearl Harbor practices.

  162. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 5:41 pm

    Good to hear the offense rebounded from the poor showing at the scrimmage. Also glad to her the oline played better today as they’ve been under the microscope, especially today.

  163. Kelvin August 13, 2013 6:02 pm

    #60 richfromOC – I just heard the Animals show and they had a Rich from the OC (USC beat reporter). Are you that person?

  164. Goin2Play August 13, 2013 6:03 pm


    Great discussion and always enjoy your insight and comments!!!

    Don’t completely agree this time, but I understand your logic. Plus I appreciate your comment that you’ll wait and see because the season has just begun…

    My opinion is that nothing is guaranteed. Even in the NFL where scouting, combines, personal work-outs, physicals and assessments are conducted the number of 1st rounders, who are also drafted out of immediate need, are rarely start right away their 1st year and some never start.

    Optimistically, I hope (haven’t seen a practice yet) that the returnees have also taken the year to improve both physically and mentally and are winning the starting jobs! I remember the Von Appen when the UH O-Line and UH Team looked awful (0 Wins), then 1 year later won 9 Games under Jones with practically the same O-Line, which included NFL players like Adrien Klemm.

  165. Goin2Play August 13, 2013 6:07 pm

    Any comments on Tigi Hill???

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  167. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 6:32 pm

    165… Have u watched this video on how Coach Chow discusses recruiting? He mentions how you recruit JC guys to come in and play immediately..

    All I am saying is if you bring in 3 JC O linemen, I would think 2 would come in and be playing immediately as he says.

    So if your 3 JC guys you brought in to fill needs aren’t playing, you prob missed somewhere in the scouting department. Really my only point. If our guys worked hard and improved that much, then great. But I will wait to see it.. I just brought up a simple concern. thats all.


  168. Former UH Athlete August 13, 2013 6:49 pm

    I think #167 has ADHD…

    Glad to hear the offense is looking for big plays. This year, they have the personnel to make big plays.

    Not confident UH has enough talent to beat UsC but I think they will be very competitive and will open some eyes.

    Just too bad the scheduling gods weren’t very kind to UH to open the year. Would have been much better to have Army & Navy early and USC and Oregon St late in the year. Scheduling PAC 12 teams late in year is always a challenge, especially now that they have the PAC 12 Championship game, so all their teams have to leave the last week open in case the qualify for the Championship game.

  169. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 6:51 pm

    169… I prefer playing strong opponents… 2014 is the year Hawaii has a chance to be good. Might as well learn now and play the best…

  170. Derek August 13, 2013 7:02 pm

    When you come down to it, the play of Taylor Graham will determine what kind of season we will have. The questions about how long he hasn’t played in a Division I game are legitimate. He’s like a box of chocolates. You would think after 3 or 4 years his maturity level is better and he’s stronger and supposedly smarter. But, there’s no substitute for experience and real playing time. In one year, redshirt freshman Johnny Manziel played like a Houdini and won the Heisman Trophy. I hope, for the UH faithful, that Graham will play solidly and efficiently in his first game and then I’m sure he will get better with each succeeding game. Failing that, Schroeder or Higgins will get their shot, maybe both. You just never know what will happen then the lights go on. Is it going to be confidence and perform or will it be stage fright. Maybe he’ll throw up like one UH quarterback did!!!!

  171. wowlaulau August 13, 2013 7:16 pm

    ok, you made your point again and again and again …. we got it…..

  172. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 7:18 pm

    171… No matter what, Hawaii is still facing teams that return far superior QBs with more experience in the 1st 5 games… USC is USC.. Even if they come out rusty, too much talent on that team. Not going to get any easier this year from last year. Marquise Lee took a simply 3 yard catch in the flat and made one move and took it to the house. Oregon St is going to be our toughest opponent. Not going to beat them on the road. Fresno put up 45 before half time or something like it? Derek Carr is going to be better and more experienced. Graham isn’t Carr. Nevada has Fajardo returning and they put up 69 on us last year? And we have to go there.

    San Jose St has the best QB in the conference. You know he’s going to be a lot better.

    In reality, you’re looking at a 0-5 start no matter how impressive Graham looks. Inexperienced Line, inexperienced QB, and inexperienced WRs usually isn’t the formula to immediate success. Nothing wrong with that though. We just need to keep getting better and competing.

  173. cocobean August 13, 2013 7:23 pm

    JC players are generally recruited to fill a need. Some pan out some don’t. The very least they bring is added competition for whatever position they were recruited for. The two things they all have in common is they all competed at a higher level than high school and they’re all first year players in a brand new system.

    Colt was a natural fit for our system. Someone like Rolo took some time to get the system down pat. If Timmy hadn’t gotten hurt Rolo would be a forgotten entity in UH football lore. Isaac Sopoaga sat out his first season here, some say to establish residency in the US but most agree he needed refinement in technique and understanding of scheme responsibilities.

    It’s too early in the game to judge if a JC recruit will pan out or not. They all need time to learn the system, get comfortable in their role and familiar with the rest of their unit. It’s a long season ahead. Injuries will happen. It’s good to have some mature big bodies to step in, better than a still physically developing frosh.

  174. AllG August 13, 2013 7:28 pm

    A little scary that’s Graham’s best day of practice was 50% completion rate and 1 int. The 2 TDs I like, but I hope he can shake that rust real quick! But I’ll take my chances with Graham over Schroeder any day. Would be nice to get back Joey Iosefa, we need some vet leadership on offense. Hoping that Koloamatangi or Griffin wins the RT job, nothing against Loyd, but I think they have more upside.

  175. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 7:30 pm

    175… I didn’t wanna say it because everyone would bash me but 100% correct. Show me 65% completion and 0 INT then I’ll agree good day…. 50% is below average and 1 pick isn’t good.. 50% is also the same percentage as SS last year…..

  176. Old School Dave August 13, 2013 7:34 pm

    No worry, I support our Rainbow Warriors, regardless of the seemingly insurmountable odds against them. That’s why you play the game.

    “The harder you work, the luckier you get.”

  177. Ka`imiloa August 13, 2013 7:37 pm

    Is there some new rule that someone has to ask about Tigi Hill everyday?

  178. Ka`imiloa August 13, 2013 7:40 pm

    178.. How do we know that you’re the real IT and not the properly medicated stalker?

  179. Goin2Play August 13, 2013 7:43 pm


    :o) Got it!

    Chow also says he doesn’t recruit freshmen to redshirt…

    Have you ever seen a NFL Coach say their 1st Round pick was going to fill their needs?!

    You make an educated GUESS based on your assessment, but in the end, suit em’ up and earn your spots.

    Coaches will always hype up their recruiting class like NFL Coaches will hype up their draft picks, but you never know what you have until they’re in camp.

  180. Inyoface August 13, 2013 7:46 pm

    If they are practicing in rain, they’ll be twice as crisp in dry weather! Thanks to the Denny downers on the blog today, I would hate to go into battle with you guys. BEAT USC!

  181. Old Diver August 13, 2013 7:48 pm

    Graham clearly has the most upside of our QB’s. He will be rusty though. Who wouldn’t be after playing in only eight high school games in the past six years.

  182. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:01 pm

    181… I get what you mean but I’ll just wait till season starts to see how the O line looks. If Graham is on his back and getting sacked left and right, then it’s safe to say coaches failed to fulfill a hole… If Graham is being protected well and getting his passes off on time, then I guess our returnees worked hard with Naeole this off season and fixed some issues they had with technique prior to working with Coach Naeole. More times than not though, you want your JC guys playing right away considering they have 2 years to play and freshman can redshirt and have 4 years to develop.

  183. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:02 pm

    182. Didn’t know only Kool Aid fans were allowed…

  184. Goin2Play August 13, 2013 8:03 pm


    Any possibility the returnees are now reaching their expected potential (as advertised when they were recruited)???

    As I mentioned, I haven’t seen any practices or scrimmages this year. Jeezy, you probably have…so, question is for you.

    I’ve always appreciated your eyes and insider information. Do they pass the eye test compared to last year and same with the D-Line are they improved and making the O-Line look bad…etc.

  185. Goin2Play August 13, 2013 8:07 pm

    184 – jeezy:

    Totally agree!!!!

  186. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 8:10 pm

    We have to realize that 50% passing in the pro set is different that 50% in the run and shoot. We’re not going to see as many shuffle passes to the running back and quick outs to the slots on Chows offense.

  187. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:11 pm

    I’m going to hickam so I’ll check it out there…

    And it’s possible but not that likely. You kinda see flashes of talent early on if you ask me. Ben Clarke, Beau Yap, Matagiese, Art Laurel, and so on…. If Hawaii was dominating, I can see why someone would be buried down the depth chart.. But Hawaii has been struggling to find solid players the past 2 seasons so I don’t see any huge surprises coming out of nowhere…

    Just go back the past 10 seasons… How many times have you seen a guy nowhere near the 2 deep depth chart all of a sudden turn into a big time player their senior year? I’m sure it happens occasionally but I wouldn’t count on it happening for the most part.

  188. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 8:11 pm

    wow jeezy jeezy, jeezy. like one broken record. and for all that you don’t even listen to anyone else. what’s up with that? you have kinda exposed yourself dun you think? let it go bro! let it go. you lookin wurse n mo wurser with evry word. nutz!

  189. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:14 pm

    188… What does that have to do with anything??? The goal in any offense is to complete passes efficiently… If 50% percentage is considered good in a pro set offense, no one would run a pro set offense.

    Alabama runs a pro set offense. They complete 67% of their passes. The wouldn’t be running a pro set offense if the QBs only completed 50%..

  190. 3-Prong August 13, 2013 8:14 pm

    Is the uptempo idea meant to mimic the Oregon Style of offense where you hope to eventually “gas” your opponents defense. What is the target time we are shooting for to get the snap off?

  191. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:16 pm

    190.. You are uneducated and illiterate… You think I’m offended by someone who is calling me wurser? NOPE!

  192. wowlaulau August 13, 2013 8:19 pm


  193. Inyoface August 13, 2013 8:19 pm

    Kool aid schmoo aid

  194. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 8:20 pm

    jeezy baby, why you so obstinate today? boy, get up off your chair n go stretch. go kau kau brah. no mo caffeine for you!

  195. wowlaulau August 13, 2013 8:21 pm

    Just ignore the broken record, he will stop repeating himself …..

  196. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:24 pm

    196. I am having debates with people who want to talk football… It’s not my issue that you only want to hear me say “HAwaii 35-USC 31” I give honest and insightful opinions. Just because some fans only want to hear positives and how great our football team is, I’m a different type of fan.. I like analyzing our teams strengths and weaknesses and realistically projecting when this team will start winning games..

  197. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:29 pm

    197. STOP reading my debates about football with people if you’re gonna keep bitching… I don’t post hear to talk to u…

  198. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 8:29 pm

    no can help den cuz you smarter den everyone else yeah? i see now. evry one else is dishonest! n no insight. okeeeeedokeeeee. heeeeeeehawwwwww.

  199. kev-1 August 13, 2013 8:30 pm

    Wow, Jeezy . . . I just went through today’s posts. Seems like a lot of people taking your posts personally. Keep em coming bro. I enjoy your insights. I know it was earlier today, but I get what you were saying about JC players and why you bring em in.

  200. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:31 pm

    201… They can’t handle football talk unless its praising and hyping players up…

  201. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 8:31 pm

    den y u talkin to me den. no make sense. you talk but you no even listen to yur self.

  202. kev-1 August 13, 2013 8:32 pm

    On another note . . . ST said it was Graham’s best practice? 50% completion rate and an INT??? I know he threw 2 TD’s, but the rest is not gloating material.

    I do like that they are continuing with the heavy contact practices with up-tempo pace. Graham needs as much as that live-fire-type play (or as close as you can get).

  203. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:33 pm

    200… How is me saying I am concerned about our O line make me smarter than everyone else??? I doubt you an answer that question…

  204. Inyoface August 13, 2013 8:35 pm

    Everybody is a critic, especially in this day and age. Should bet at Vegas, you’d be a millionaire.

  205. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 8:35 pm

    203.. Im trying to listen but I don’t under stand a word you are trying to say…. the only word I understood that you wrote was me trying to be obstinate….

    Im not trying to convince anyone to believe my concerns.. But people are questioning why I am concerned so I am giving my reasons why… Not saying I know more than you or anyone else…

  206. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 8:43 pm

    jeez, bro why u call peeps names fo? i neva see no one call you one name.

  207. NotNasti August 13, 2013 8:59 pm

    Jeezy, hang in there and keep battling. I’m pulling for you.

  208. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 9:05 pm

    209. LOL. It’s a unachievable battle to win as a wise poster told me. Until I say Graham is the best QB in the Mountain West, anything less I will be looked at as a hater, non true fan, and a critic… Oh well.. So be it…

    But if someone is willing to discuss football, I am more then willing… The good, the bad, the ugly.. whatever it is… You can even ask Al, we have talked for hours in the past.

  209. 3-Prong August 13, 2013 9:07 pm

    Rebuilding The Rainbow special on TV now.

  210. 3-Prong August 13, 2013 9:08 pm

    ………..Let’s Go Bows!

  211. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 9:10 pm

    seem like others were talkin football too n u dissed’m all. cuz u good n they bad n ugly? nah nah only joke bro.

  212. 3-Prong August 13, 2013 9:11 pm

    Sorry, just Pau…. Hehe

  213. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 9:11 pm

    214. You win Trojan…… completely 100% right… I don’t even remember what words i chose to diss people but you win..

  214. JOCKO7874 August 13, 2013 9:18 pm

    Just … asking… if it was a perfect day weather wise… I would think 50% passing would

    not be acceptable.. i agree… but sumone said on here it was raining ??? In that kind of

    weather … I would accept 50% as pretty good…. in my eyes….. yours maybe different.. ???


  215. el burro sabio August 13, 2013 9:19 pm

    If I were playing offensive line, I’d want to do well because the thought of facing an unhappy Coach Naeole is scarier than any opponent this year. 😉

  216. Old Diver August 13, 2013 9:25 pm

    Have to agree with Jeezy that a 50% completion rate is not good. We shall see if that translate to games. One would expect a higher completion rate with a WCO than a R&S. Alabama runs effectively and surprises the D when they pass, hence a high completion rate. A 50% completion rate with the WCO means one is not able to run and forced to pass which is what happened last year. Despite all the talk of Graham’s arm strength, if Chow is unable to move the ball on the ground our passing attack will suffer.

  217. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 9:27 pm

    jeez i not tryin fo win cuz. itz not a contest. we all winnahs hea! i know i know mor koolaid. no ken help.

  218. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 9:31 pm

    It’s always interesting when people try to boost arguments by calling the other side Kool-Aid drinkers. In reality, they wish that people would follow them. Just because somebody has a dissenting opinion doesn’t mean it’s the right or more logical view. I don’t think people should feel inferior nor superior. Having insight doesn’t necessarily mean having more information.

  219. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 9:31 pm


    Bama can run a pro set offense because they run the ball 50+ times a game and throw it 15 times. Most Pro teams are still run first while JJ chose to throw it 50+

  220. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 9:35 pm

    we goin be da trojankillaz! fo real! just wait n see. no worry beef curry but ok im one homer n i don’t no bo diddly squat like sum peeps. but i know geevum. i know geevum. geevum hawaii. geevum warriors! geevum!

  221. Stephen Tsai August 13, 2013 9:36 pm

    For instance, there are those who suggest schools aren’t doing due diligence in recruiting. It’s not to anyone’s benefit to say a pprospect’s a dumbshit. Or that a prospect’s pain-in-the-ass parents are a reason a school backs off. Sometimes things aren’t said to protect the dignity of others. It’s just good manners.

  222. Warrior Dave August 13, 2013 9:37 pm

    Calling it a night Tsaikos. Didn’t want some posters to this I was running away from the discussions. Tomorrow is another day.

  223. NotNasti August 13, 2013 9:39 pm

    Great discussion today. It must be getting closer to kick off. Even the fans are starting to take shots at each other (figuratively).

  224. wafan August 13, 2013 9:42 pm


  225. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 9:45 pm

    220… How am I boosting my argument by calling someone a kool-aid drinker? If people are gonna bash anytime I state a possible concern, then it is true that they only wanna hear comments that is good news…

  226. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 9:54 pm

    jeez i jus got dun goin tru all da posts n you gotta admit almos all da guyz were not bashin you but wuz commenting on annnodah view n you no like let dem. you stand your ground bro but u no even read wat dey wuz sayin i tink so. jus get mad or sumtin.

  227. cocobean August 13, 2013 9:56 pm

    Jeezy, you don’t have to defend your point of view. I respect what you have to say. To me you stated something that’s open to debate, something to be discussed and not something that can be taken as something negative.

  228. cocobean August 13, 2013 9:59 pm

    Did I use “something” four times in one sentence.

  229. jeezy33 August 13, 2013 10:01 pm

    Tomorrow, I will be promoting the depth of our D line… maybe that will be a better topic for the day

  230. trojankillahz August 13, 2013 10:03 pm

    anywayz gangeez no huhu. smile no goin broke yoah face. gotta go moi moi. aloha po. n go hawaii. geevum!

  231. d1shima August 13, 2013 10:07 pm

    Just pau watch ESPN-U AllAccess UNC.

    Lotsa energy and coaching on the practice field. Very energetic. Larry Fedora, up and comer.

  232. d1shima August 13, 2013 10:07 pm


  233. Manoa1 August 13, 2013 10:22 pm

    Jeezy keep it coming the truth hurts that’s why these fans are against you. .you are right about Blake muir they should of had a replacement for him like chow said. chow say’s this and say’s that but his full of it. USC DL will tear our OL up cause they still are trying to see who can play here and who can play their the game is in a couple of week so they better get their crap together.

  234. wowlaulau August 13, 2013 10:29 pm

    I think people would just be happy if you stop repeating yourself over and over. Having about 20% of the post today as of 10:45 is not a good thing when nothing new is brought to the discussion.

  235. NotNasti August 13, 2013 10:34 pm

    Getting blown out by USC and Oregon State is not a realistic indication about how bad our team and coaching staff is. Most people, even the “Kool-Aid” drinkers, don’t really expect Hawaii to beat these teams, but as fans, are stating their belief in the team. By the way, when was the last time you drank Kool-Aid? Me? Maybe 40 years ago.

    And the term don’t drink the Kool-Aid? Remember the Jonestown massacre? The Jim Jones followers committed mass suicide by drinking cyanide laced Kool-Aid? Hence the term “don’t drink the Kool-Aid.”

  236. 3-Prong August 13, 2013 10:44 pm

    I don’t care,…..me, I drink da Kool Aid. It tastes sweeter when I watching the Upset at Aloha Stadium and at The Stanley and am rewarded with once in a lifetime experiences like Sugar Bowls….out

    …………..and Let’s GO BOWS!

  237. Truman August 13, 2013 11:30 pm

    It looks like Jeezy got tired and went to another blog to post.

    It actually starts off quite entertaining trying to talk to a bunch of football fans who have never paid attention to any other football program but Hawaii their whole lives. They don’t know how success is built…

    They think a 3rd string Offensive guard on a 3 win team can all of a sudden become good and convert to 1st string tackle and dominate against teams like USC, and so on…

    Then it just gets irritating because you feel like you’re arguing with a 5 year old kid who just doesn’t know any better….. You lay out the facts, show them Chow quoting what I am trying to tell them and they still don’t get it…

    Then the ring leader of the Band Wagon comes out and makes ridiculous statements trying to rally the troops by saying ” The offense kicked butt today” and the O line looked great. Graham had his best practice yet throwing 8-16 139 yards 2 TDs and 1 INT… It gets to a point when the ring leader thinks 50% is greatness and you just give up hope… and now becomes irritating that the Newspaper pays someone to cover football who doesn’t know the difference between a 4 technique and a 5 technique and can just shoot out BS by telling people that 50% passing is a great day…

  238. Truman August 13, 2013 11:34 pm

    I meant to put his comments after ” post ” in quotes.

    I actually like some of his posts but he sure gets defensive and comes on with attitude.

  239. Moocher August 13, 2013 11:35 pm

    By the third game, Sean Shroeder will be the QB.

    This year, SS has one year under his belt and he sees where he needs to be seeing Graham…as opposed to it was all his last year an there was nothing to gauge things on.

    I’m looking for Sean Shroeder to either step up or step in. At the very least we got a great backup in SS.

    Better line, better receivers, SS will dominate and surprise everyone. IF he started, he already has played USC and did fairly well against them on the road. I’m really wondering with that experience against USC how much better he’d be at home an with better players and a better understanding of the offense.

    Count me in as Shroeder Voter 🙂

    Anytime soon Tsai will report Graham tweeked his thumb and will sit out the first game…but really, it means SS is in super stealth mode and grabbed the QB spot.

    Put in SS, and we will beat USC.

  240. Truman August 13, 2013 11:37 pm

    Going back to lurking but had to comment after all this passion.

    Go bows.

  241. Moocher August 13, 2013 11:44 pm

    An Oracle is sort of a Kahuna….. when will Kahuna Larry from Pineapple Island build the Oracle Dome?

  242. Moocher August 13, 2013 11:50 pm

    Make the Oracle Dome out of bamboo and thatch roof, no need worry abut rust. Kahuna Larry would have the best stadium in the world. Pro-Bowl would never leave. Off-season on friday nights it’s the world’s largest tiki bar.

    ok, yeah i’m bored 😛

  243. WarriorNY August 14, 2013 12:06 am


    Were you at practice? How do you know Graham did not have a great day? How do you know there weren’t some drops in that 8-16? How many times he threw the ball away?

    I respect Jeezy’s posts because he tends to have some pretty good knowledge of the game.

    That being said, there’s nothing wrong about getting excited for the team. That’s why we all come here every day and read Tsai’s blog. I don’t have to know the difference between “4 technique and a 5 technique” to know good football.

    Call me a Kool-Aid drinker but I will always look at the bright side when it comes to this team…

  244. WarriorNY August 14, 2013 12:21 am


    LOL too funny…

    Good Morning to all like me on the East Coast… And Goodnight to all in Hawaii…

  245. al August 14, 2013 12:22 am

    jeezy…see you in a week or two.

    same place…talk football.

    congrats on being a new brother in law

  246. 89leeslb August 14, 2013 3:45 am

    242. Thanks Moocher, someone finally gets it. If only people knew what Sean put up with last year. All he gets from most is being the fall guy for last season. He never complained. Played hurt all last season. Wish back surgery would have happened sooner than April 1. He is still recovering. If healthy, he is the best quarterback on the roster.

  247. Maddog50 August 14, 2013 4:19 am

    Sounds as if the practice was more productive. As far as the line-up right now….that will change. Some guys take longer to “get It” I am sure Coach Naoele et all know exactly what they want and are going with guys that undrstand. Based on what I can tell, the 2’s and maybe a 3 right now will see the starting line-up and be productive. This will be a vastly improved team on both sides of the ball and on the sideline. If you know more than just a little about football and you are not a doomsayer….you will conclude the same…Go Warriors

  248. boolakanaka August 14, 2013 4:38 am

    Greg Salas is all the rave in Philly at the moment, another gushing piece about him this morning: http://rotoviz.com/index.php/2013/08/could-greg-salas-be-the-real-eagles-wr-sleeper/

  249. d1shima August 14, 2013 5:39 am

    Great Morning All!

    Another day to get better…

    Go Warriors!

  250. mo808 August 14, 2013 6:03 am

    Good Morning Folks!

    Go Bows! Only 15 more wake ups to BEAT USC!

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