Veikune agrees to 4-year, $3.5 million deal

David Veikune and the Cleveland Browns have reached agreement on a four-year contract worth about $3.5 million, an NFL source said.
Of that amount, $1.8 million is guarnteed.
The guaranteed portion also is protected against skill and injury.
Agent Kenny Zuckerrman of Priority Sports declined to comment on the specifics. But he said “David has worked very hard to make this happen, and I feel fortunate ot be able to help him. He’s a model client.”
Veikune was the Browns’ second-round pick in April’s draft.
He received roughly a 6 percent increase over last year’s selection in the second round.

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Signs, signs, everywhere there are signs. Here are a few from the UH athletic department, including the relocation of an Idaho city and one in Braille.












  1. duffer July 25, 2009 9:43 pm

    Way to go David!

    Go Warriors/Browns!

  2. meeh July 25, 2009 9:46 pm

    yikes…how bout more soap in the locker rooms

  3. meeh July 25, 2009 9:46 pm

    shampoo maybe

  4. meeh July 25, 2009 9:47 pm

    herbal essences….i’d love that

  5. meeh July 25, 2009 9:47 pm

    may be vitamin water and beef jerky

  6. Ralph July 25, 2009 9:48 pm

    top ten since meeh hogged the blog

  7. βρεω808 July 25, 2009 9:51 pm

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  8. Ralph July 25, 2009 9:52 pm

    now to wait and see what the other 2nd rounders receive. only a 6% raise, inflation and the depressed economy-the value of the dollar, but his guarantee isn’t chump change, he can live on it and start an investment porfolio. no Nigerian investments, and Madroff is already in the clink..

  9. Ralph July 25, 2009 9:53 pm

    Brew how come he has only one nostril

  10. Garret July 25, 2009 9:57 pm

    Great news!

  11. βρεω808 July 25, 2009 9:57 pm

    Sheeessshhh… no can satisfy the Ralph! Please note – the “face” representing the nose has two wide eyes representing his nostrils! Ggggrrrrrr…. 😈 😯 🙄

  12. Da Punchbowl Kid July 25, 2009 10:03 pm

    Auryyyte! Good for David!

  13. Stephen Tsai July 25, 2009 10:08 pm

    Ralph’s hair must be growing back.

  14. Jason July 25, 2009 10:11 pm

    Maybe Ralph is angry because it’s growing longer — and he’s finding more of it on his pillow every morning … 😉

  15. Jason July 25, 2009 10:12 pm

    Anyways, congratulations to Veikune on finally getting his contract signed. I wish I could swap the financials in my contract with his … 😀

  16. βρεω808 July 25, 2009 10:15 pm

    Pennies…. in one case. Dollar$…. for the other case. 😉

  17. d1島 July 25, 2009 10:19 pm

    Great News!
    Congratulations David Veikune!

  18. Colomaohana July 25, 2009 10:21 pm

    Evening, gang!

    Less than 20 posts??!! Dang!

    Guess the pink side wasn’t the only slow place today, huh??

  19. Colomaohana July 25, 2009 10:22 pm

    Jason, I know kinda’ late, but congrats on the new job!

  20. Ralph July 25, 2009 10:22 pm

    didn’t Kaluka sign a 4 yr 3.5 million, the only difference is the guarantee but Veikune is a second rounder and Kaluka a 4th rounder. I was expecting a second rounder with more money and higher guarantee.

  21. Garret July 25, 2009 10:25 pm


    ST just posted this blog…the post for Saturday has 216 posts on it.

  22. Garret July 25, 2009 10:27 pm


    Given NFL salary cap parameters, a 6% raise from the contract for last year’s pick at that draft position is reasonable. The cap for rookie salaries doesn’t go up 20% or even 10%, so I don’t understand your complaint here.

    Of course, the salary for last year’s draft pick was known since Veikune was drafted, so there is the question about why it took the Browns so long to getting around to offering something like this.

  23. Stephen Tsai July 25, 2009 10:29 pm

    I was going to wait until 12:05 to post Veikune’s signing, but I’m an old man, so I posted early.

  24. d1島 July 25, 2009 10:30 pm

    Give us a sign Stephen!

  25. d1島 July 25, 2009 10:31 pm

    Oh, done already….. 😳

  26. Ralph July 25, 2009 10:32 pm

    Garret I’m also questioning why a second rounder and a 4th rounder signs for 3.5. let’s hope both make the team roster and remain on the Browns roster for 4 years, don’t they end up with the same pay check for base pay not including incentives, if any. the guarantee is a security blanket if they are cut, etc. and don’t make the roster or play.

  27. Garret July 25, 2009 10:34 pm


    Kaluka signed for $2.5 million, not $3.5 million…that is a pretty big difference! The signing bonus is also significantly different, which is a major consideration for players.

  28. Colomaohana July 25, 2009 10:35 pm

    Hahah…Mahalo, Garret!

    ST: YOU? Old??? Naaahhhhh….I say, more mature….

    Hmmm….wait now……

  29. Ralph July 25, 2009 10:35 pm

    lucky for D1 that you posted early, he crashes by 10:30…need some koakane power afternoon naps to stay up a little later

  30. βρεω808 July 25, 2009 10:36 pm

    Can anybody else imagine Ralph’s nostrils all flare wide open as he writes his posts…. 😯 🙄 😆

  31. βρεω808 July 25, 2009 10:37 pm

    😳 …flared 😳

  32. Ralph July 25, 2009 10:38 pm

    i got a small nose, no flaring, no allergies

  33. d1島 July 25, 2009 10:39 pm

    (post 22:30 post)

    Livin’ large tonight Ralph!

    Had a cup of 10% Kona Kope with dessert so should be around at least another 15 minutes! 🙂

  34. Stephen Tsai July 25, 2009 10:40 pm

    Maiava’s bonus is about $600,000.
    Veikune’s bonus is about $1.8 million.
    There’s a big difference between a second-round pick and a fourth-round pick.

  35. βρεω808 July 25, 2009 10:40 pm

    Hey…Isn’t it still Jodie’s birthday…. and there goes Ralph trying to pick annoda fight…. 🙄 😀 😆

  36. d1島 July 25, 2009 10:40 pm


    Can’t share your enthusiastic review of the HP movie…the hotdog was the highlight for me 🙄

  37. Garret July 25, 2009 10:41 pm


    Haven’t you noticed that some NFL players sign huge contracts that get headlines, but those numbers are actually heavily back-loaded? That means that the player will not actually see most of the money in the headlines, because he’ll either be cut or have to renegotiate his contract before the big dollar years at the end of it.

    Getting the money up front means that the salary is reasonable…which means that the team doesn’t plan on cutting a player. In fact, a team is penalized with the salary cap when they cut a player that got a big signing bonus. On the other hand, a team saves money on the cap but cutting a player with a big salary and a small bonus.

    So, for NFL contract you *have* to look at the up-front money. If a player earns a starting spot, his contract will be renegotiated down the line and the low annual salaries for the last few years will not actually take place. So, if Veikune earns a starting spot in 2 years, he’ll get a new contract in year 3 or so and the salary he was supposed to get in year 4 of this contract will be significantly increased…and he’ll keep his signing bonus that he just got.

    If a player doesn’t earn a spot in the rotation and he has a big salary, he’ll get cut. He won’t see the increased salaries in the latter years of the contract. But that isn’t how Veikune’s contract is structured, he’s getting the bulk of it up front.

  38. βρεω808 July 25, 2009 10:42 pm

    I had 100% Kona dark this AM! 😆

    Gggrrrrrr…. I gotta do some work…. I’ll be back. 😈

  39. Stephen Tsai July 25, 2009 10:42 pm

    Yep, we’re still celebrating Jodie’s birthday.
    Except the phone rang, and I had to post the contract.

  40. Ralph July 25, 2009 10:43 pm

    okay read the headline on google (news ofKaluka Maiava) but the article with the contract was about Veikune, how you figga.

  41. Ralph July 25, 2009 10:47 pm

    twitter says sphagetti factory- ward center or Kailua, or whereelse?

  42. Garret July 25, 2009 10:48 pm

    I’m glad that we made Ralph less unhappy!

  43. al July 25, 2009 10:50 pm

    ralph….please take your anti-alzheimer’s meds.

  44. Ralph July 25, 2009 11:00 pm

    i’m never unhappy, i got you guys, and gals-some do post. 🙂

  45. Ralph July 25, 2009 11:01 pm

    i do take gingko biloba when I remember

  46. Ralph July 25, 2009 11:02 pm

    it’s more my proofreading limitations or lack thereof for the misinformation.. I depend on you guys. I don’t like to google everything..

  47. Ralph July 25, 2009 11:04 pm

    so does that mean you are not posting anything new at 12:05 am 🙂 🙂 who said i don’t smile enough

  48. Stretch July 25, 2009 11:05 pm

    Great news on Veikune!! Glad he got the deal done and able to join the team in camp.

    Good night all!!

  49. βρεω808 July 25, 2009 11:10 pm

    I did! And I still think I’m right! “Smiling” is waaay different than just flaring one’s nostrils! 🙄 😆 😀

    Okay – I filed my summary report. Gotta hit the hay as tomorrow is going to be another long one. Laters Tsaikos! Happy birthday to Jodie and Congratulations to Veikune!!! 😀

  50. d1島 July 25, 2009 11:10 pm

    I was right. Coffee not working anymore….


  51. PowderPuff July 25, 2009 11:17 pm

    Congratulations to David Veikune!!! And thanks ST, for taking time during your family celebration to put up the new post.

  52. Dudley Doright July 25, 2009 11:18 pm

    Great news on David Veikune’s contract. Glad he got a hunk upfront.

  53. homey ℞ July 25, 2009 11:20 pm

    Surf was good this morning. By popular demand, we will be hitting the surf before 8:00a.m. tomorrow.

    Better get some re-energizing sleep…goodnight all.

    Congrats Veikune.

    Nice game today Shane!

  54. al July 25, 2009 11:51 pm

    congrats to mr. veikune.

    truly an inspiration to all.

  55. SteveM July 26, 2009 12:48 am

    Congrats to David Veikune!

    Interesting set of sign photos. I was wondering if the one that says “MEDIA Not Allowed Beyond This Point” should be in braille too… 😕

    Good night everyone!

  56. mctruck July 26, 2009 3:48 am

    I think Veikune will do very well as a LB. Happy with his contract as well.
    Well folks….it’s like, 8:50 am here in Marshall, Texas…….off to have my breakfast…have a super nice day everyone.

  57. Garret July 26, 2009 4:24 am

    If anyone plans to buy the Wii Sports Resort game, Toys R Us is giving a $20 gift card for people who buy it between 10am and 2pm. Everybody is charging the same price, but the $20 gift card makes Toys R Us a much better deal.

  58. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 4:37 am


    For those of you venturing out to play in the big surf – have fun, but please be careful! 😀

  59. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 4:40 am

    Okay…. the Trap is back. Borrowing a line from the Raiders (and from Ralph)…. Just W I N baby!!! 😯 😆 😀

  60. Garret July 26, 2009 4:42 am


    One thing I thought about when I saw the headline about Coach Trap today is how many job searches inform the candidates who aren’t going to be picked and they then announce that they have decided to not pursue the job anymore…that helps them with the job they are going back to.

  61. Garret July 26, 2009 4:44 am

    I do hope that Coach Trap does well this season and earns a long-term contract. He certainly has a lot of talent coming back, so that is possible. The 1-year extension he got definitely indicates he has to win or find another job.

  62. Garret July 26, 2009 4:48 am

    If you look at the main Cleveland newspaper’s website, they have tons of articles every day on the Browns…but they *still* do not have the news that David Veikune signed a contract. That is a big deal for the Browns, so every day they have reported on the lack of progress for the 3 second-round draft picks, but it is getting near lunch time in Cleveland and they still don’t have the Veikune news.

    So, ST scooped all the Hawaii newspapers *and* the Cleveland newspapers!

  63. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 4:50 am

    Did you or Lori “discover” the WII-Toys R Us coupon? 😀

    A job candidate has to be akamai regarding his/her chances for employment – otherwise, have to be ready to “cut bait” and preserve at least some bit of self-respect and dignity. Hey – this applies to our current Tsaiko job searchers. IMHO 😯

  64. Garret July 26, 2009 4:51 am

    Even the Akron Beacon Journal, with its special section on Browns news that has articles and blogs every day on the Browns *still* doesn’t have anything on Veikune’s contract.

    The latest articles just say that there are no progress for any of the three second-round picks for the Browns.

  65. Garret July 26, 2009 4:53 am


    The Toys R Us coupon is prominently featured in their newspaper ad today…hard to miss it! I’m trying to see if I can get Best Buy to match the offer, because I have about $50 in Best Buy credits so I could get the game for free and also get the $20 gift card.

  66. Garret July 26, 2009 4:53 am

    I’ve got to make the kid’s breakfast now…Lori is still sleeping.

  67. whitey July 26, 2009 4:56 am

    Good morning Tsaikos. Heavy foggy morning. Congrats to David V and now he can concentrate on his job. Yeeeessssshhhh!!!!

  68. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 4:57 am

    Hi LizK – We never know if you’re really waking up, or finally getting some “horizontal” shut-eye. Dozing off sitting in front of the keyboard doesn’t count, PLUS it’s not good for your health. Take care. 🙄 😀

  69. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 4:58 am

    Garret – WE want pancakes and p-sausage…. please!!! 😆

  70. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 4:59 am

    Howzit whitey – Still get fishies swimming around, or did you GET ’em all!?! 😯 😀

  71. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 5:05 am

    Re: #64 – Yeah…. seems like the Cleveland papers and Browns news boards are at least 12 hours behind on their news – including news/updates on signing any of their draft-picks. Big PROPS to our ST for the news scoop! (Especially whilst in the middle of celebrated daugther Jodie’s b-day!). ST – he da man! 😆 😀 😆

  72. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 5:14 am

    Ehhhhh….. WHO turned off my emoticons? 😈

  73. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 5:15 am

    Oh sorry…. they’re back! Hmmmm… maybe I shouldn’t have any kope this morning…. Nah! 😯 😀 🙄

  74. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 5:31 am

    Oh I see now that LizK was out fishing too. Okay whitey…. same ocean, same day…. wea’s your fish? 😯 LizK has photo evidence…. 🙄 😆 😀

  75. Garret July 26, 2009 6:33 am

    Pro Football Talk finally has an article up about Veikune. They say that the guaranteed money is a little less than $1.8 million. It sounds like Veikune’s agent got an extra concession–Ralph should be very happy to read about this, Veikune got something that other 2nd round picks did not.

    Per our source, the negotiating impasse was resolved when Veikune was given a skill, injury and salary-cap guarantee in the contract.

    Not every second-round deal has included that kind of financial protection.

    UPDATE: Veikune received $1.759,62 million in guaraanteed money and a $1.343,632 million signing bonus.

    The Veikune deal leaves the Browns with two unsigned second-round draft picks: wide receivers Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi.

  76. Garret July 26, 2009 6:35 am

    The Cleveland newspaper also finally has an article up. Veikune’s contract is done and Cleveland hasn’t even *started* negotiations with another of their second round picks? Wow, they sure are slow.

    The Browns reached a four-year contract agreement with second-round linebacker David Veikune early Sunday morning, reported the Honolulu Advertiser.

    Two Browns second-round picks remain unsigned — receivers Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi. A source said that negotiations with Robiskie have not even begun.

  77. d1島 July 26, 2009 7:22 am

    Great Morning All!

    Nice read by “Ferd” about Iolani’s effort to preserve the Fr. Bray legacy .

    He’s right that it would be great if it spurs other schools to do similar things for their sports legends and traditions.

    A larger point is that as “Ferd” points out, the “fabled past” of Hawaii sports involves much more high school achievement rather than UH. IMHO that’s part of what UH has to overcome when it comes to fundraising.

  78. djmitcho July 26, 2009 8:01 am

    Good Morning All! Hope everyone has a good day.

  79. Kekoa July 26, 2009 8:03 am

    Good Morning ST and the Sunday Morning Tsaiko Faithful

    ➡ Hears a little musical interlude to help with your sign waving project ST.

    ➡ It’s by an early 70’s group known as the *5 Man Electrical Band* The song is appropriately entitled, “Signs.”

  80. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 8:27 am

    Sheeessshhhh…. you guys get plenty of beauty rest…. you’d think some of it would work…. j/k 😆 😯 🙄

  81. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 8:29 am

    Following up on Garret‘s post #77 – the Cleveland paper cites some newspaper in the middle of the Pacific…. 🙄

  82. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 8:31 am

    ❀ ❀ ❀ Aloha..Cleveland..Browns..Fans!!!.. ❀ ❀ ❀

    😀 If you want the ”scoops”, The Honolulu Advertiser is the SOURCE!!! 😀

    Welcome to The Warrior Beat!!!, hosted by Stephen Tsai – T H E B E S T Sports Blog (and Blog-Host) in multiple time-zones! Here – we enjoy University of Hawaii Warrior Sports – but we also celebrate the five (5) “F”s:

    ➡ Football 😆
    ➡ Friends (new ones too!) 😀
    ➡ Family (We refer to it as ‘ohana in Hawaii.) 😀
    ➡ Fuud (food) 😆
    ➡ Fun (Of course!) 😆 😯 😆

    Congratulations on the signing of LB/DE David Veikune! You have gotten an awesome player in Mr. Veikune – a W A R R I O R!!! Actually, there are several other players with Hawaii ties on your team, and we will have adopted the Browns as one of our favorite NFL Teams. We’ll be cheering right along with the rest of the Browns Fans – our own little Aloha “Dog-Pound”!!!

    ~~•~~ 😀 😆 😀 Woof! Woof!! Woof!! Woof!!! 😀 😆 😀 ~~•~~

    ~~•~~ ★ ★ ★ Go Browns!!! & Go WARRIORS!!! ★ ★ ★ ~~•~~

  83. Slugger July 26, 2009 8:42 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    Congratulations to David Veikune in his contact with the Browns!

    I’m…getting better all the time

    No fever this morning, so I’ll be able to enjoy going out w/ my sis & nephew before they leave on Tuesday. Finally…

  84. Kekoa July 26, 2009 8:43 am

    Brew ~ Poi Dog Pounders need not apply…we get ’em aurready!

  85. Kekoa July 26, 2009 8:45 am

    So you Slugged in out!…welcome back. Now about that beeru…

  86. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 8:47 am

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  87. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 8:49 am

    Still practicing…. 😀

    Yeah… for Slugger!!! 😆

  88. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 8:50 am

    ….playing a bit since my conference call is pau…. 😀

    🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆


    🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆 🙄 😆

  89. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 8:53 am

    Can you imagine what a Cleveland Browns Fan would be thinking if they checked in on the WB now….. “they crazy” (at least one of them)….. 😯

    ~~•~~ 😀 😆 😀 Woof! Woof!! Woof!! Woof!!! 😀 😆 😀 ~~•~~

  90. Slugger July 26, 2009 9:00 am


    I have two half cases of beeru for the next get-together. The only thing I’d use beer for is: beer-can chicken, beer-battered (fried meat), Brauts in beer (my fave).

    K, off to go find slugs & give them a ride to the garbage can. Esme & out…

  91. Kekoa July 26, 2009 9:04 am

    Brew ~ I’m color blind for sure now!

  92. d1島 July 26, 2009 9:05 am


    Beeru is not like wine….no get better with age. Keep ’em cold; drink ’em fresh!

  93. d1島 July 26, 2009 9:08 am

    Well, I’ve been watching my hibiscus for the past hour and it hasn’t trimmed itself yet…. 🙄

  94. Kekoa July 26, 2009 9:08 am

    Oh finally! My breakfast awaits. Time for some Portuguese Sausage, eggs & rice!


  95. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 9:09 am

    You know what else is guud…. beeru. And you know what goes well with beeru? Yup, another beeru! 🙄

    ‘dem slugs are saying the same thing…. 😆

  96. Kekoa July 26, 2009 9:10 am

    Give it anodda half day D-1….

  97. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 9:10 am

    Kekoa…… :mrgreen:

  98. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 9:13 am

    ❀ ❀ ❀ d1島 ❀ ❀ ❀

    They’re growing….. 😀

  99. wafan July 26, 2009 9:17 am

    A great Sunday morning, to all!

  100. wafan July 26, 2009 9:19 am

    d1 . . .

    If you do not want to trim the hibiscus call Kekoa’s Yard and Demolition Services.

    One big boom and problem(s) are gone!

  101. al July 26, 2009 9:20 am

    i wonder how many kings nanook of the north has caught thus far on his fishing expedition?

  102. Stephen Tsai July 26, 2009 9:22 am

    Mornin’ all.
    “Ferd” and I are in the office, staring at each other.
    I think we’re the only ones in the building.
    If a major story were to happen, well …

  103. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 9:29 am

    Does Ferd have GPS? 🙄

    whitey = N A N 😯 😯 K of the N 🙄 R T H ??? 😆

  104. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 9:31 am

    Hi wafan!!! 😀

    Hi al!!! 😀

  105. wafan July 26, 2009 9:38 am

    Hey, Brew!

    You are on a roll yesterday and today. Whoo-hoo!

    No tours?

  106. Stephen Tsai July 26, 2009 9:39 am

    he’s an old-fashioned, look-at-the-map, kind-of-guy.
    maybe that’s why we get lost on every road trip.

  107. wafan July 26, 2009 9:43 am

    Were any Tsai-kos selected for the UH commercial?

    The best commercials for college sports were from the University of Oregon. Grabbed your attention and very funny.

    The commercials for the Seattle Mariners are good, too.

    Maybe the UH needs to look at script rewrites or hiring new people to do the spots.

  108. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 9:48 am

    I’d go with Princess Leila! Heck – I think we all would…. even shopping…. 🙄 😆

  109. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 9:50 am

    whitey, LizK, addahknowsports –>



  110. wafan July 26, 2009 9:53 am

    Hmmmm, look at the map kind of guy.

    A few years ago I was taking a bunch of kids to Yakima for a state conference. Really a simple drive down to Highway 12, head East over the pass then down into Yakima.

    One of my brainiacs decided to take his map out so he could check to make sure I knew where I was going.

    First thing I noticed is as we headed South he held the map in the North-is-up position. Not a problem until he insisted he turn right on Hwy 12 (West) rather than left on Hwy 12 (East). He was pretty adamant about it even as we headed up the hill.

    That is when he got confused about the Cascades and Olympic Mountains. He could not figure out how we got to the Olympics so quickly — and we had not even passed the Sound or Hood Canal. Geez.

    This brainiac graduated Magna from some private university in Boston in EE and now works for the government.

    And, now you know why we are so screwed up.


  111. wafan July 26, 2009 9:56 am

    Darn ants.

    Today, their nest goes bye-bye. I hope.

  112. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 9:57 am



  113. koakane™ July 26, 2009 10:16 am

    morning tsaiko’s and tsaikette’s hope for some trades to cool down the day. sunny and bright out 8) but humidity rising.

    kope boiling so must be ready, now if only the eggs and smoke meat could be so simple.


  114. d1島 July 26, 2009 10:24 am

    Hibiscus done!

    On to pancakes! 🙂 (and another pot of 10% Kona kope)

  115. d1島 July 26, 2009 10:26 am


    Anything beeg happening out in the world today?
    Hope if something breaks on Oahu you and “Ferd” don’t have to hit the road together to cover it!

  116. d1島 July 26, 2009 10:27 am


    How was your Mondo burrito?

  117. Stephen Tsai July 26, 2009 10:28 am

    Interesting headline in breaking news:
    A plant sale at Thomas Square draws dozens.

  118. al July 26, 2009 10:29 am

    yes brew….that is correct.
    btw. i like your fish art

    d1….ever try 100% kona ?

  119. Da Punchbowl Kid July 26, 2009 10:34 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂

    Nice to see errybody in such chipper moods this morning. Portuguese sausage, brown rice and egg-beaters are moments from destiny in our house!

    😛 😛 😛 😛

  120. Da Punchbowl Kid July 26, 2009 10:39 am


    I used to work at a nursery which participated in those plant sales. Those sales are usually on Saturday and Sunday with the bigger crowds and best plants on Saturdays. If you ever want to see some very cool plants, check out the Saturday event when most of the good stuff is still unsold. The crowds are getting smaller, but we used to see hundreds of folks over the two day period.

  121. lava July 26, 2009 11:07 am

    Why I’m not allowed to attend Tsaiko functions (taken from diary of a mad-man)…

    Went past the grass practice fields today (should have a name, maybe the Toma grass fields), and I heard some hooting and hollering:

    “Bite me!”

    “Fall on me!”

    “Roll on me!”

    “Kiss my grass!”

    It was the field talking. The grass is ready. Are you?

  122. Kekoa July 26, 2009 11:18 am

    lava ~ All the ‘signs’ are there. As a Bonafide Tsaiko, you’re normal. It’s merely preseason anxiety. The voices will get louder soon, and then, you’ll be fine.

  123. madeinhawaii July 26, 2009 11:25 am

    What is it now? 10 days to the start of Practice? 40 days till kick off?

    And one day from Internet withdrawal symptoms for me as I build up 4 computers to replace our dinosaurs. Boy, have things changed since I last built our computers 4 – 5 years ago. My head was spinning at all the new options out there. I finally decided on a conformity, consistency, durability and CHEAP.

    Just waiting for a few more parts. Should be here tomorrow… or the next day.. or the next… Ebay…ships today… gets here someday…

  124. koakane™ July 26, 2009 11:27 am

    d1 that bugga was about 1 pound but no can beat the deep fried chicken gizzard we had lattas

    local style mo betta

  125. Kekoa July 26, 2009 11:29 am

    Brew ~ From my “Government Procurement” files:

    Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House. One is from Chicago , another is from Tennessee , and the third is from Minnesota .

    All three go with a White House official to examine the fence. The Minnesota contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. “Well,” he says, “I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me.”

    The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, “I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me.”

    The Chicago contractor doesn’t measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, “$2,700.”

    The official, incredulous, says, “You didn’t even measure like the other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?”

    The Chicago contractor whispers back, “$1000 for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence.”

    “Done!” replies the government official.

    And that, my friends, is how the new stimulus plan will work.

  126. Da Punchbowl Kid July 26, 2009 11:31 am


    Love it! BTW will the team be on the grass field or Cokke/Ching for practice?

  127. LizKauai [iMac] Unite and Conquer! July 26, 2009 11:51 am

    Kekoa— BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
    oh wait!
    not funny… too true 🙄



    And remember the 6th F- Fishing!

    OK. time for breakfast.

  128. LizKauai [iMac] Unite and Conquer! July 26, 2009 11:52 am

    oops… no can cut and paste brew’s fishies…


  129. LizKauai [iMac] Unite and Conquer! July 26, 2009 11:53 am


    where’s that breakfast…


  130. d1島 July 26, 2009 12:22 pm


    No. ( 😉 )If you’d like to contribute a sample…..


  131. Garret July 26, 2009 12:40 pm

    Jake Ingram update. It looks like New England has agreed to a contract with their 2nd round pick, so only Ingram and the LB that will miss the season due to an injury are not signed yet. I do not take this as a good sign, because if New England was sure that Ingram would make their team (beating out Hodel) they would give him a regular signing bonus instead of insisting on a roster bonus…especially when you consider that late-round signing bonuses aren’t that big.

    There won’t be a holdout from top second round pick Patrick Chung, as the safety, taken with the 34th overall pick, reported for duty today, essentially meaning he has agreed to terms on a contract, a source close to Chung confirmed.

    Rookies were expected to report today, with veterans to report on Wednesday. Only rookie long snapper Jake Ingram and injured rookie linebacker Tyrone McKenzie have yet to agree to contract terms. Training camp officially begins Thursday.

  132. Garret July 26, 2009 12:41 pm

    Nice mention of Bess here.

    Davone Bess, wide receiver, Miami Dolphins – After stepping into the starting lineup in Week 12, Bess caught at least five passes in five of the next six games. His best effort: nine catches for 74 yards in Week 14. Now, he still needs to find the end zone more (just once last year), and he’s not a burner. If you are drafting in point-per-reception leagues, though, I could see a relatively big year from Bess. He’s not fast, but he is quick. He knows how to find the holes in the opposing defense. Ted Ginn Jr. should stretch opposing secondaries and create room for Bess to work underneath. Greg Camarillo (knee) was working with the first-team offense earlier this offseason, but I still don’t believe he’ll be able to contribute as much just one year removed from torn ligaments in his knee. PPR fantasy players should strongly consider Bess in the final couple of rounds of their drafts.

  133. Garret July 26, 2009 12:43 pm

    Interesting article about how some players can gain weight in college and others either cannot gain weight or gain the wrong type of weight.

    “We as coaches get caught up in thinking we can put 20 or 30 pounds of lean muscle on somebody in a year, and a lot of times that’s not feasible,” Auburn strength and conditioning coach Kevin Yoxall said. “We’re not meant to weigh 300 pounds. You’ve got to look at somebody’s frame.”

    For most players, however, three meals a day aren’t enough. A typical college football player can burn 5,000 to 10,000 calories a day during workouts and practices, particularly two-a-days, and those calories must be replaced — and exceeded — if a player hopes to gain weight. That’s where supplements come in, often in the form of protein shakes.

    “The supplements — you almost have to do it nowadays,” said Mobile-area trainer Lyle Henley of the Athlete Factory, who works with top local athletes such as Jeremy Clark, Wallace Gilberry and AJ McCarron. “There’s no way you can take in that many calories in three meals.”

    Simply packing on pounds isn’t the main challenge, however. Athletes want to get bigger and stronger without getting fat or losing speed and quickness. It’s that distinction that many young players don’t understand, former Alabama center Roger Shultz said.

    “There’s a difference between a good 300 and a bad 300,” he said. “That’s something that high school kids don’t recognize at all. They’re looking at the scale and trying to get the right number.”

  134. Garret July 26, 2009 12:44 pm

    What athletes should look for, Henley said, are foods that help them add muscle mass without increasing their body fat index. “They have to attack each meal like a workout,” he said.

    Johnson said he also found stretching exercises and post-workout ice baths essential to help muscles and joints adjust to the extra weight. “When I first put (the weight) on, because I did it so fast I had problems with tendinitis and shin splints, things like that,” he said. “My body had to get adjusted to it.”

    After all, bigger isn’t better unless it’s also stronger.

  135. Garret July 26, 2009 12:44 pm

    Back to work…

  136. Dennis Halloran July 26, 2009 1:30 pm

    Congrats to David and his contract. It looks like a lot of money but really isn’t enough to live on forever. It is the second contract that rings the bell
    Guarantees $3,103,252
    minus taxes/agents of 50%
    $1,551,626 pro rated over 4 years is $387,907 annually.
    Invest that in Muni bond funds, get 5% or 19, 395 after one year and 77,580 after four years.
    Not too livable in the islands on $77,500. per year.
    and if divorced as 50% do, its less than $40,000. HS teachers grade of pay

  137. Jason July 26, 2009 1:35 pm

    “HS teachers grade of pay”

    Thanks for reminding me. 😛

  138. Stephen Tsai July 26, 2009 1:52 pm

    Roster bonuses only mean something if you’re guaranteed a roster spot.
    The Patriots already signed a veteran long-snapper.
    I can see this scenario: veteran does the snapping this year, Ingram stays on the practice squad while 1) he learns, 2) he gets bigger.
    Thing is, that means he neither gets paid the roster bonus nor does he get credited with an NFL year.

  139. Dennis Halloran July 26, 2009 2:20 pm

    ST, while you are sitting there twittering your thumbs, What is going to be the best way for us LoCal folks to access games this year?

  140. mctruck July 26, 2009 2:40 pm


    Luv dem fishes.

  141. Stephen Tsai July 26, 2009 2:53 pm

    I’m stuck on that one. They did away with one of the services, no?
    Maybe the best way is to go to Rich2176’s house.

  142. Stephen Tsai July 26, 2009 2:54 pm

    We were ready to play the card game “Slap Jack” last night when I noticed … they were using the SteveM’s Colt Brennan cards.
    I’d better get them to SteveM soon.

  143. bighilofan2 July 26, 2009 2:56 pm

    howzit Tsaikos. my wife got my computer fixed finally. da wife sayz you all been naggin. wat! wat!! wat!!! 😆

    spent da last hour tryin to catch up on da headlines. congrats myki on your b day. LizK, great pictures of da fishes.

    brew you are too funny!

    kekoa, thanks for the prods. the computer guy came out today, Sunday at 1pm and replaced the modem. the roadrunner was no good. whateva. i made sure da wife knew da rules, no wake me up cuz i gotta get my nap. nap done. dis bugga works now. 😀

    gotta go work for a few. be back laters.

    looking forward to arrive Vegas 17th 4ish pm, back Hilo 21st. 7 for sure, maybe 8. working on da details, but we’ll be there.

    Go Warriors!

  144. bighilofan2 July 26, 2009 3:00 pm

    >` ·.¸¸.·´¯`·.. .¸>¸.·


  145. A-House July 26, 2009 3:06 pm


    what’s the good words on your haul for this trip? plenny salmon, halibut, etc?

  146. Ralph July 26, 2009 3:07 pm

    Brew you didn’t get much sleep last night and you’re still jovial and must brew a mean cup of coffee!

  147. Ralph July 26, 2009 3:09 pm

    Brew everyone is in a great mood, no one is talking about the 49’ers, it’s all about the Warriors and Tsaikos.

  148. A-House July 26, 2009 3:09 pm


    I thought a 2nd Lt with a map was the baddest ting ever, but maybe you got dat beat!!!

    on our survival course at Benning, we had to go search for 5 classmates cause they never show up at any of the check points – we found them about 10 miles away from the training area!!!

  149. LizKauai [iMac] Unite and Conquer! July 26, 2009 3:12 pm


  150. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 3:14 pm

    ….still jovial and creative…in a great mood… –> We all can’t be like ….Ralph!!! 😯 🙄 😆

  151. Ralph July 26, 2009 3:14 pm

    if the WAC teams have decided not to print media guides to save money, why have a WAC media day that is costing the school money to send the coach and at least one player, isn’t it cheaper to have an online video conference call or are we still behind in technology to do video teleconferences with multiple media sources at the same time.

  152. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 3:17 pm

    Thanks for the fish compliments…. I do say they are quite fine! 😀

    Howzit bighilofan2!!! H o w z i t !!! … (big time!) 😆

  153. Ralph July 26, 2009 3:27 pm

    anyone notice if rivals or scout changed the ratings for our locals since the all poly, nike, PIAA and UH camps? I noticed SMU 2010 recruits got their ratings from 2* to 3* without playing a game. I figured ratings on 2010 fb would change during and after the fall season (senior year) for performance but surprised as the recruiting heats up the ratings changed.

  154. letsgowarriors July 26, 2009 3:50 pm


    calen friel has been upgraded to 3stars on rivals. rated 32nd weakside DE. rivals doesnt list him as a verbal to hawaii. hope he is a solid verbal to hawaii, hes going to get tons of offers once his senior season starts.

  155. Ralph July 26, 2009 4:11 pm

    thanks letsgobows, 57 is a good rating to start with it will go up with his performance this fall. Hawaii is kind of out of the flow of info for the scouting services, hopefully interviews with coaches they feel confortable with will justify changing the ratings.

  156. Tombo Ahi July 26, 2009 4:17 pm

    Dennis, I haven’t tried it yet, but I heard Oceanic streaming video was pretty good:

    Also, ESPN Gameplan has picked up quite a few UH games the past few years.

  157. d1島 July 26, 2009 4:25 pm

    Wow, blasts from the past!

    bighilofan2 and TomboAhi,

    How you buggahs been?

  158. Tombo Ahi July 26, 2009 4:45 pm

    lurking and working. woot woot!

  159. lava July 26, 2009 4:56 pm

    I don’t like how the Pats are treating Ingram. It is time for him to start thinking about leaving camp. I think that’s the way the game is played. If #1 gets hurt, they need him in camp to learn everything. His strongest bargaining power appears to be now.

  160. lava July 26, 2009 4:57 pm

    Re practice, I think I heard the team goes to Ching Field if it is wet. I prefer they practice on grass when possible because it is easier on the body and cooler. I suspect they’ll get more turf work in when they are playing on turf.

    I don’t think they call it turf, but whatevers, it’s turf.

  161. Garret July 26, 2009 5:38 pm


    I completely agree with your #139 post…and that is what it seems like the Patriots are planning with Ingram.

  162. Garret July 26, 2009 5:40 pm


    NFL rules prevent Ingram from reporting to the Patriots until he has a contract. So, he won’t be at their camp that is about to start unless they sign him. His agent is doing exactly what you suggested and using what leverage he has to try to get a reasonable deal done.

    The downside of this is that Ingram will definitely not be able to beat out Hodel if Ingram is not in camp. But when the new special teams coach brings in a vet long snapper…the odds are already stacked against Ingram.

  163. Ralph July 26, 2009 5:45 pm

    Ingram is young, sit out this year, sign with someone else next year. if the pats keep hodel, he’ll be back again next season and Ingram will be back to square one with the Pats. Hard Luck situation, but sitting it out is better than signing a 4 contract with a veteran in front of him and him on the practice squad earning minimum wage.

  164. Dentist July 26, 2009 5:47 pm

    Looks Amazing. Really David You are simply Great.

  165. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 5:50 pm

    We have talked about this previously….

    Perhaps it’s time for Special Teams, long-snapper extraordinaire Jake Ingram to punt…. on the Pats! 😯 😈 🙄

  166. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 5:54 pm

    Dentist dude must be looking for Kekoa. 🙄

  167. Ralph July 26, 2009 5:59 pm

    Brew is back, i thought the coffee wore off and you crashed. but i agree, its tough for Jake to walk away this year, but being a highly rated long snapper he’ll be a good investment for someone else next season unlike a wr or ol guy not signing on this season. hopefully someone will trade for his rights during the preseason and he can sign on with another team.

  168. Ralph July 26, 2009 6:01 pm

    he won’t find Kekoa, with his sp. forces training Kekoa is in deep cover avoiding all needles with novocaine

  169. bighilofan2 July 26, 2009 7:03 pm

    yo yo yo!

    workin and workin wit no home computah so no WB wuz da pits!

    great to be back.

  170. bighilofan2 July 26, 2009 7:16 pm

    Tombo Ahi,

    I’m a big fan, my man, big fan. keep it up!


  171. lava July 26, 2009 7:38 pm

    My guess is that if Ingram holds out for up-front bonus money typically paid to similar draft picks, it’s gut check time for the Pats, who would either pay the bonus or consider trading the guy. I don’t know much about what leverage a draftee long-snapper can throw at the Pats, but I’d suggest he say I want $x bonus paid up front, and you agree by August 1st or my bonus demand increases to $x + 20%. The Pats may decide they don’t need him, but he’s better than a lot of starters around the league.

  172. BG July 26, 2009 8:00 pm

    Hey! Terrific to check in and see bhf2 and Tombo Ahi online! Glad to see you guys!

  173. BG July 26, 2009 8:02 pm

    Question…isn’t it true that if Ingram is put on the practice squad, all the other teams have a shot at signing him?

  174. βρεω808 July 26, 2009 8:14 pm


    Players can be promoted to the active roster of their current team or to that of any other team. They have free agent status and can sign with any team they wish without compensation to the original team.

    The minimum salary from 2008 to 2010 is $5,200 per week (2008-2010)[1] for 17 weeks, or $88,400 per season, in comparison to the NFL minimum rookie salary of $285,000.

  175. wafan July 26, 2009 8:17 pm

    Welcome back, bhf2!!!

  176. BG July 26, 2009 8:23 pm

    Thanks Brew! Kinda puts the Pats in an interesting position. They either keep Ingram or they’ll probably lose him cuz he’s far from being an unknown in a most important position. If they keep Hodel, they have to pay much more money and probably lose Ingram cuz they can’t just stash him away.

  177. Kekoa July 26, 2009 8:29 pm

    Peeking in from deep under mattress cover to see if it really is BHF2 on the blog. Not convinced yet. Too subdued. I better check wit his boss latah.

    Of course if you can answer this question, now, I’ll believe it is you for real. “What is the name of our favorite Tsaiko singer – the one who has been known for harmonizing with Lions?”

  178. Kekoa July 26, 2009 8:33 pm

    Whoever is smart enuff to grab Jake as soon as he is free, will net themselves a long snapper who will serve them for many great seasons.

  179. BG July 26, 2009 8:36 pm


    What’s the latest on Pops? No change? Better?

  180. BG July 26, 2009 8:50 pm

    I would think that the Pats would be wracking their brains over this one. Jake may have more leverage than on first thought

  181. BG July 26, 2009 8:53 pm

    Wonderful news on Veikune! Best wishes for a long and notable career! The more Warriors in the NFL, the better!

  182. BG July 26, 2009 8:58 pm

    Seems like I’ll be joining Jason by starting on my MBA in late Aug. I’m just so excited to be able to go to school just for fun! And, maybe, make some of those CC’s that I keep reading about…YES

  183. BG July 26, 2009 9:03 pm

    OK…enough hogging the blog…time to get ready for work tomorrow. Lattahz folks!

  184. Kekoa July 26, 2009 9:05 pm

    BG ~ Pops is struggling with his meds. Trying to reach a happy medium on the one that controls his heavy anxiety attacks during the 4 – 6 PM time frame. Too much and he drops BP and respiration. Not enuff and he goes off the reservation.

    We’ve come a long way since he’s been home. Doing another brain scan tomorrow morning at Tripler. Just takes a little more time this week of working with him. Hopefully the meds adjustment will allow him to balance out and be ready to attend fall practice next week.

  185. LizKauai July 26, 2009 9:07 pm

    Love and hugs to Pops and the Kekoa ohana…

  186. Stephen Tsai July 26, 2009 9:08 pm

    Re: Practice field.
    I would imagine the plan would be to alternate between the grass field and Cooke/Ching field.
    But after a while, I bet all of the practices will be at Cooke/Ching.
    Hey, it’s a shorter walk.

  187. LizKauai July 26, 2009 9:09 pm

    BG- congrats on your educational pursuits… !

  188. Garret July 26, 2009 9:10 pm


    I hope that they figure out the medication for Pops soon.

  189. Garret July 26, 2009 9:11 pm


    You are so lucky to be able to go back to school for fun! I guess that means you will be able to take advantage of student discounts to things now, pretty cool.

  190. Garret July 26, 2009 9:12 pm


    Nice to see you back! I’m glad that your computer is working again.

  191. Garret July 26, 2009 9:14 pm

    Free play link time. Please ignore my next 5 posts if you do not want to read the off-topic stuff.

    Interesting study found that most people say that they aren’t old and that they feel younger than their actual age. People younger than 30 think that 60 is old, middle aged people think that 70 is old, 65 and older people think that 75 is old, and so on. Just 21% of people aged 65 to 74 say they feel old, and just 35% of those 75 and older say they feel old.

  192. Ralph July 26, 2009 9:14 pm

    i hope they find a solution for pops and he can rump around soon. Pops and Jason ought to get together and come their episodes of AA, might have similarities and final solution/therapy would be nearly the same-manini adjustment for age.

  193. Garret July 26, 2009 9:14 pm

    Low-cost European airline is trying to get Boeing to design a standing room section. They are also eliminating their luggage check-in desks so passengers will carry their luggage all the way to the airplane.

  194. Garret July 26, 2009 9:15 pm

    A janitor was arrested for repeatedly peeing on a chair–after something strange happened with the chair on four other occasions, they used a hidden camera to discover the source of the problem. He was upset about being warned about sexually harassing a female employee, so he got his revenge by peeing on her chair day after day.

  195. Garret July 26, 2009 9:15 pm

    Tokyo professor created baseball playing robots.

  196. Garret July 26, 2009 9:16 pm

    Free play links pau.

  197. Garret July 26, 2009 9:19 pm

    I guess that link just isn’t going to post without moderation. Here is an alternative free play link:

    I found this article pretty easy to read considering that it was about the search for the Higgs boson. I thought that the race was over when the Large Hadron Collider was built, but it appears that the US group has a chance to be first to make the breakthrough.

  198. Garret July 26, 2009 9:21 pm

    I cannot believe how much work I got done today…finally finished the complete overhaul of that 15-page Commercialization Plan. Tuesday at 5pm I’ll be so happy because this will be behind me and I can live a regular life again!

  199. LizKauai July 26, 2009 9:30 pm

    Awesome, Garret!

  200. bighilofan2 July 26, 2009 10:39 pm


    howzit howzit. yup its me. garanz i no can sing like da tsai guy
    but i can yell wit da bestest.

    kekoa, yu no its me cuz my best impersonation is fo being a coach. :mrgreen: Not!

    been away for awhile. my fingers gotten slow, but my yellin tekneek is smuud an down! 😯

  201. al July 26, 2009 10:44 pm

    prayers of healing for pops!

  202. bighilofan2 July 26, 2009 10:49 pm


    a special S H O U T O U T and Prayers to Pops!

  203. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc July 26, 2009 11:00 pm

    Just a quick note to let folks know that DrDoc’s mother passed away earlier today at a hospice in Chattanooga. As noted in last Sunday’s post, we were expecting this at any moment, but still….

    HI BigHiloFan2: Will you be coming over for any of the games this season?

    A quick reminder: Many in the Tsai-ko community have been touched by cancer in some way. Don’t forget that this Friday/Saturday is the Kailua Relay For Life at Kailua High School – 6 pm to 6 am.

  204. al July 26, 2009 11:04 pm

    howzit bighilo!

  205. al July 26, 2009 11:11 pm

    my condolences to dr doc and wassupdoc.
    may your mother rejoice now in heaven,

  206. bighilofan2 July 26, 2009 11:21 pm

    Hiya Doc.
    my sincere regards to yo hubby.

    will be to some but not all da games in Hnl. but will definitely be in Vegas. 50 50 fo game 1. my friend’s grandson trying out UNLV. gonna give him an educational about what likkinzz is all about. :mrgreen:

  207. bighilofan2 July 26, 2009 11:23 pm

    hiya Al.

    see you later Al. zzzzzzzzzzzz

  208. Ralph July 26, 2009 11:53 pm

    my condolences to Dr.Doc’s ohana, may she rest in peace in Heaven and Earth.

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