Three complete UH careers

Defensive end Alema Tachibana and offensive lineman Hunter Hollowed will not be returning to the Warriors in 2013, UH coach Norm Chow confirmed.

Also, Jared Leaf has requested — and received — a release from his UH scholarship.

Tachibana, who graduates on Dec. 15, said he will either pursue a career in law enforcement or seek to play at another school.

Hollowed was honored as one of the Warriors’ top scouts at this past Sunday’s luau.

Leaf is a second-year freshman who was used as fullback.


  1. HiFlyer December 6, 2012 12:20 am

    So the house cleaning has begun.

  2. AlaWai December 6, 2012 12:54 am

    2. Rebuiliding is a b*tch.

  3. PeteJek December 6, 2012 12:56 am

    There are a couple more wasted roster spots on both offense & defense. Mean to say, but it is the truth. It is what it is.

  4. 99club December 6, 2012 1:06 am

    Best of luck to Tachibana, Hollowed, and Leaf. Thanks for being Warriors!

    Good morning Tsaikos!

  5. Tom Clarke December 6, 2012 1:41 am

    It is sad as I am sure of all these young men went into the program with dreams of significantly contributing as starting Warriors. It makes me happy to see they are taking their next steps into their own hands and moving on. Good luck to all of them. They are good young men and did contribute in different ways.

  6. maddog50 December 6, 2012 2:33 am

    Best of luck to the departing Warriors—

  7. wafan December 6, 2012 2:35 am

    Good Thursday morning!

  8. wafan December 6, 2012 2:36 am

    Thanks and best wishes to the departing Warriors.

  9. Wes'side Warrior December 6, 2012 2:44 am

    Morning, Gang!

    Best wishes to these departing young men, in whatever paths life leads you.

  10. Wes'side Warrior December 6, 2012 2:44 am

    Too early… poor sentence structure, but… eh… whatevas!

  11. Downtown Athletic Club Hawaii December 6, 2012 2:52 am

    Best wishes and mahalo to the departing Warriors – may they find success in the next chapters of their lives.

    Here’s an event that’s a little off topic but probably of interest to some Tsaikos …

    Join the Downtown Athletic Club of Hawaii on Thurs., Dec. 13 at Pagoda for a flashback luncheon with “Gentleman Ed” Francis to commemorate the release of his memoir, Gentleman Ed Francis Presents 50th State Big Time Wrestling! More info at

    Cost: Buffet Lunch only – $20; Book – $35; pre-pay Book+Lunch Combo – $50. Visit or call 534-7170 to RSVP. First 50 people to pre-pay online or by phone will receive a set of collector’s cards.

  12. 99club December 6, 2012 3:31 am

    #49, 52, and 56 from yesterday’s blog regarding Ah- prefix to Chinese surnames…the Chinese instructor confirmed that it is like a nickname. Only thing to add is that she said it is normally found in southern China. Maybe helpful to know if someone was doing geneology.

  13. PIAA DS December 6, 2012 3:42 am

    Hey Stephen, if you see any of the three again, let them know a lot of D1AA schools are always looking for D1 transfers. A win for the D1AA and the athlete doesn’t have to sit out a year. Have them email me and Ill give them a list of who I know is looking. Sorry to see them go, but if I can help let me know.

  14. Wes'side Warrior December 6, 2012 4:12 am

    Thumbs up, Doris! I was absentmindedly looking for the “like” button!

  15. Bleed Green and White December 6, 2012 4:18 am

    Just checked in, WOW, three leaving UH!

    Wasn’t the Hallowed kid named Offensive Scout of the year?

    Doris – I just read your entry about helping the kids. You’re such a sweet lady! Aloha for Doris everybody!

    Mr. Tsai (et all) – wondering if anybody saw the Manti Te’o story on KITV?

    I thought Mr. Kekaula did an incredible job with Manti’s mom and dad. So genuine, so solid, so correct!

  16. warriormom December 6, 2012 4:51 am

    There are more than three….who are the others who asked for releases prior to the end of the season???

  17. d1shima December 6, 2012 5:06 am

    Great Morning All!

    Best wishes to the departing Warriors. Mahalo for your contributions!

  18. Former UH Athlete December 6, 2012 5:20 am

    #17 I’m sure there are more that will not return. UH got past the survival stage (end of season), and now have officially begun rebuilding.

  19. Slugger December 6, 2012 5:31 am

    Good morning, gang!

    Mahalo to Tachibana, Hollowed, and Leaf! Good luck in your next endeavors.

    Have a great day, Tsaikos.

    HI HO, HO HO…

  20. d1shima December 6, 2012 5:41 am

    Expect Hawaii to continue in the contraflow lane of this trend.

    But it could be a blessing in attracting talent at Receiver.

  21. OC Warrior December 6, 2012 5:44 am

    In LA Times this morning, Abe Markowitz is petition the NCAA for a medical waiver to get an extra year of elibility but Lame Kiffen said “We’re not bringing him back. We don’t have room.” He will not be on scholorship but can return as a walk-on again if his waiver is approved. Go get him Coach Chow! We can use him for one year.

  22. Buffoman December 6, 2012 6:00 am

    I only know that “Doris person” from what I see on the board. She must have wings of sorts as her desire to help young people from the islands is simply wonderful; close to heaven sent. She continues to impress me and at this point I should not be surprised by her generous and caring spirit.

    I also agree with #19. More will leave and more will come. Such is what occurs with change. If sports is a reflection of worklife, this is a terrific learning experience for these young men. When they get into the work world, especially one not “protected” by a union, when change in bosses/supervisors happens things like what they just experienced with the coaching change will happen. They can get on with the new direction, sulk and resist (or if in a union go complain to them) or leave to a place that they feel is a better work environment. Each has its risks and rewards but in life after football, it becomes financial.

  23. V-Ball Fan December 6, 2012 6:09 am

    Mr. Tsai, do you have any info on this years UH Men’s Volleyball team? Any good local talent?

  24. Annoddah Dave December 6, 2012 6:14 am

    @#24, Buffo: Agree, but a union is no “protection” if you lack the skills and aptitude. Even unions know that they need good people and are willing to let the chaff go in order to keep the wheat.

  25. Annoddah Dave December 6, 2012 6:17 am

    @#24, Buffo: Sorry, I failed to see the quotes on the word “protected”, you are inferring what I posted previously.

  26. TM December 6, 2012 6:18 am

    I hope Leaf leaving UH doesn’t affect Trevor Davis feature as well knowing that they are best buds

  27. rage777 December 6, 2012 6:27 am

    I thought Doris left PIAA.

    Buffoman, you can help out her cause by donating to the PIAA. It’s easy since they accept paypal. It’s an organization that helps local students get to college. You would think they get donations from former people that it helped, or the parents of the people they have helped but they always seem to not have enough money to do all their camps.

  28. tommui December 6, 2012 6:38 am


    Best wishes to Jared, Alema and Hunter. Thank you for being Warriors.

  29. Chicken Grease December 6, 2012 6:47 am

    Good luck to all Warriors!!!!!

    Hoo-hoooooo. Ya’ll’s see Bob Costas on my hero Bill O’Reilly’s show? Kinda lost his smugness, there, Costas did. Stick to sports, bruddah and keep your NBC celebrity hands off my guns. O’Reilly’s the best.

    Don’t go changin’

    To try to please me

    – Billy Joel

  30. laulau head December 6, 2012 6:54 am

    #19…good point.

    Wishing the guys all the best!

  31. Independent Thinker December 6, 2012 7:26 am

    Best wishes to these gifted, departing Warriors. Thank you for your contributions to the team.

  32. haka December 6, 2012 7:26 am

    Change is never easy.

    Mahalo & best wishes to all those Warriors not returning.

    Once a Warrior, always a Warrior!

  33. Pomai December 6, 2012 7:30 am

    #29 rage777 I think she did for awhile but from the looks of it “SHE’S BACK” thank God. Doris is one person that does the work because she loves it.

  34. mikey December 6, 2012 7:44 am

    Morn’g Warriors

    Best wishes to all departing Warriors.

  35. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 7:45 am

    Safety Ijumaa Armstrong already tripped and is is transferring to Montana State.

    He will have 3 years to play 3

  36. Stephen Tsai December 6, 2012 7:50 am

    I think there are some who want to find a place before they announce they’re leaving.

    It’s the old adage: It’s easier to find a a job when you have a job.

  37. mikey December 6, 2012 7:52 am

    Sad to see Hunter going away just honored as Top Scouts this past Sunday’s Luau.

    Doesn’t he still have 2 years left?

    Just hate to see an All-League Mt San Jacinto Player going out.

    If I’m not mistaken he was high school MVP during senior year.

    Mt SJ produce and pipeline to lot of great players to Division I.

    Tom Henderson come from there?

  38. Stephen Tsai December 6, 2012 7:53 am

    I’m going to miss Leaf.

    Great guy.

    Pus, I covered his step-dad, Erin Hall, who was Saint Louis’ QB back in the pre-John Hao days.

    But you have to look at the big picture. He has three years left if he goes to, say, Sacramento State. If he stayed here, he’d probably be behind Joey Iosefa for another two years. He deserves a chance to play somewhere.

  39. Stephen Tsai December 6, 2012 7:54 am

    I think Hunter hss a year left.

    I believe he’s been at UH three semesters.

    Again, nice guy. Worked hard. He deserves to go to a place to play.

  40. WarriorMojo December 6, 2012 8:05 am

    Can you give us your thoughts/speculation re David Graves? Will he be back?

  41. (Jesse) James December 6, 2012 8:06 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!!!

    Good luck to Tachibana, Hollowed, and Leaf. Thanks and best wishes to all the departing Warriors.

  42. DoubleB December 6, 2012 8:12 am

    @31 I do not believe you are the real a Grease.

  43. DoubleB December 6, 2012 8:13 am

    Oops 30 now

  44. gobows December 6, 2012 8:14 am

    #22 that dude was shunned by UH out of punahou. if i recall, he only had an offer from an fcs school, didn’t sign on loi day, and eventually walked-on at usc, and was awarded for his hard work. if he gets to play another year, at usc he has a shot at the nfl. at UH no chance. why would he leave usc? it would be great if he transferred to UH, but i don’t think his appeal will get approved.

  45. wasabi December 6, 2012 8:15 am

    #39- considering montana, sac state and 38 other AA teams were rated above Hawaii in the Sagarin ratings, these look like pretty good options! Maybe Graves could transfer to sac as well…

  46. Derek December 6, 2012 8:28 am

    All of these guys, Armstrong, Leaf, Tachibana, Hallowed were all McMackin’s recruits. They weren’t Chow’s recruits. To be honest, Mack’s recruting classes weren’t very good in 3 years. Salas, Pilares, Moniz, etc. all came in when June Jones was still head coach, which was our last good season when we went 10-3, ending 10-4 losing to Tulsa in the Hawaii Bowl. Yeah, Chow is cleaning house, but I commend him in doing what he think should be done. He is bringing his players who he thinks can play Division I football. His first class got a lot of playing time, i.e. Garcia-Williams, Phillips, Fonua, Jackson, Clarke, etc. as freshman. Some good players re-shirted to save a year and will contribute this year such as Lakalaka, Koloamatangi, Watanabe, et. Ursua, who I think is a special player is on a church mission. So I think the roster will be a lot better in Chow’s second season. He said the team needs OL, DL, DBs, and WRs. Also, a long snapper, punter. You can always need pass rushers and playmakers.

    So I ask now, with the departures, how many scholarships do we have to give now?

    But, congratulations to the young men who contributed to the Warrior program and best wishes in the future to them.

  47. tommui December 6, 2012 8:30 am


    Any press conference announced today by Chancellor Apple? Or did he by mistake showed the AD candidates the locker rooms?

  48. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 6, 2012 8:39 am

    Hmm is Kapakahi a current player on the team or something? Haha.

  49. mikey December 6, 2012 8:43 am

    Been busy last few week with loads of work and been away

    Sneaking in to take a peak.

  50. mikey December 6, 2012 8:44 am

    There’s 2 JC school I would like to see a pipeline to UH is:

    Mt San Jacinto (Goes to many Texas school) and Mt San Antonio (to USC and UCLA)

    Last weekBeeman’s announcement of 3 JC recruits from Mt SA JC is a launch in right direction

    They won JC Championship as Freshmen.

  51. mo808 December 6, 2012 8:46 am

    Morning Folks!

  52. mo808 December 6, 2012 8:49 am

    Shout out to Mrs Momo who I just happily bumped into on my way to work today! There was no mistaking that beautiful big smile as she walked with her morning buddies!

  53. Old Diver December 6, 2012 8:52 am

    Cleaning house? Cleaning house implies sweeping out the trash. These are student athletes who gave their all for the program. For whatever reason they are leaving the program. Let’s use more sensitivity when speaking of these student athletes.

  54. gobows December 6, 2012 8:56 am

    #51 wasn’t she the one that recruited those players out of high school, and coached them last year?

  55. LizKauai December 6, 2012 9:04 am

    Mahalo, Tachibana, Hollowed, and Leaf.

    Mahalo, Warriors.

    God Bless and be sure to contact PIAA Doris! :mrgreen: 😈 :mrgreen:

  56. wasabi December 6, 2012 9:06 am

    #47- can give out 25 per year…so with the departure of some of the seniors and guys who are leaving there should be more available than allowed. As for your cleaning house comment, I agree that it is disrespectful to these players who put their hearts into being warriors.

  57. mikey December 6, 2012 9:06 am

    #55 gobows

    Beeman’s former Assistant did.

    Beeman was at USC last year

    Same as where Gib came from

    Our coaches is now a pipeline from USC

  58. wasabi December 6, 2012 9:14 am

    #59 – #1. I think fuha is related to u know who

  59. mikey December 6, 2012 9:20 am

    I hope it will be a fast re-building looking at next year schedule and with no Division II in sight.

  60. masteruke December 6, 2012 9:30 am

    Just my opinion, what I would like to see is Iosefa red shirting so he can learn his position.

    As a running back he his average. As a power back slightly better than average but fumbles alot. He has learn to coverup the ball when he is being gang tackled. As a blocking back he is below average. Dont know if his inability to block is because he was a qb in high school or he has yet to learn Chows system. Do know that he was recruited for the R&S so he should have been a better blocker. I do hope he improves a lot for the coming season

  61. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 9:33 am

    Funny, when I clean house, I never consider what I give away to be trash.

    A while back Kekoa, Mei Ling, James, helped me collect thing when people “cleaned house/office” and we were able to bless a lot of Keiki on the Westside. We may not have had use for the items anymore but those who received them did so with open arms.

  62. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 9:39 am

    Joey already redshirted

  63. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 9:43 am

    But then if you are a hoarder, you may have trash.

  64. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 9:52 am

    When Urban Meyer cleaned house at Ohio State we reaped Taylor Graham

  65. SteveM December 6, 2012 10:01 am

    Good morning everyone!

    Best of luck to Tachibana, Hollowed, and Leaf in their endeavors!

  66. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 10:02 am

    Laura Berman previously coached at Mt. San Antonio College, aka Mt. SAC

  67. gobows December 6, 2012 10:03 am

    thanks mikey

    know why shamburger decided to transfer to UH?

  68. Independent Thinker December 6, 2012 10:04 am

    I nominate Deputy Dog for AD, after the new AD gets the pink slip for not understanding the school, its community, the community’s goals for its programs, and for failing to accomplish these goals in a timely manner.

    Based on the past, I give the new guy three years before he is shown the door. We seriously need to reevaluate the criteria we use for selecting AD’s. Seriously.

  69. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 10:04 am

    Oh and Mo wasn’t a JJ recruit. He walked on in 2009 under Mack.

  70. Derek December 6, 2012 10:14 am

    Having not seen him play yet, to me, Taylor Graham is still a question mark. He was a 3 or 4 star rated recruited and he went to OSU. And Sean Schroeder was a 3 star rated QB as a recruit and we know how he played this year. So, it is difficult to gauge how players will perform. People who went to practices have said that Graham was the best QB in the program. So, I’ll take that as face value. If he is our starting QB I hope he can be like Brennan, meaning very accurate and efficient. Very accurate meaning at least 65% or better and efficient meaning at least 155% or better. If he does that I’d go on record right now that we will have a winning record and go to a bowl game.

  71. VonAppen December 6, 2012 10:17 am

    Bob Costas is the man!!

    Bill O’Reilly is a showman for the conservative nut jobs and “truth” is never his objective.

    “O’Reilly probably didn’t realize it then or now, but it is his cowboy/Dirty Harry mentality that is the most representational of the gun culture that Costas was talking about, and that’s why Costas won this debate.

    Any sucker in a gangsta rap video, any sucker with his pants on the ground, any deer hunter, any gun show groupie, any Ted Nugent wannabe with an arsenal, any 2nd Amendment cheerleader, and any Bill O’Reilly with a handgun who believes that they can take down a fully-armed James Holmes is no different than any football player or any trigger-happy fool that hates loud music who believes that he can solve his problems with a gun.

  72. Independent Thinker December 6, 2012 10:24 am

    The law in red states:

    Florida annotated code.

    FC 101(a)(1). Loud rap music = death penalty, without trial, without appeal.

    So sad. What happened to America, the great? (Oh, just joking about the above code, for those who think I’m serious, cause there have been instances where I am joking and people think I am being serious.)

  73. Rite80 December 6, 2012 10:25 am


    Coach Mack led the football team to two bowl games. He had two winning seasons.

  74. ai-eee-soos December 6, 2012 10:27 am

    UH plans to announce new athletic director Friday

    By Ferd Lewis

    POSTED: 09:29 a.m. HST, Dec 06, 2012

    LAST UPDATED: 10:54 a.m. HST, Dec 06, 2012

    The University of Hawaii expects to name a new athletic director Friday, a spokeswoman for the Manoa Chancellor’s office said today.

    “UH Manoa Chancellor Tom Apple has met with the two UH Athletics Director finalists recommended by the A.D. Search Advisory Committee,” Diane Chang wrote in an email to the Star-Advertiser. “Chancellor Apple is in the process of performing due diligence on this very important decision. We hope to issue a media advisory with the announcement of Chancellor Apple’s selection on Friday, December 7. No press conference is planned.”

    Ohio State senior associate AD Ben Jay and UC Berkeley deputy director of athletics Solomon “Solly” Fulp are the two finalists recommended by the 11-member search committee convened by Apple.

    Jim Donovan was removed as AD July 11 and UH vice president Rockne Freitas has

  75. gobows December 6, 2012 10:31 am

    #72 it’s about velocity…do you want to go to battle with a sling shot (higgins/ss) or an m16/ar15 (graham)? this years qb problem wouldn’t have happened if andrew manley gave mack a verbal when he had the chance.

  76. ai-eee-soos December 6, 2012 10:32 am

    “UH plans to announce new athletic director Friday.”

    ” No press conference is planned.”

  77. gobows December 6, 2012 10:33 am

    #74 hurricane fred

  78. gobows December 6, 2012 10:35 am

    #77 any salary info?

  79. tommui December 6, 2012 10:40 am

    ai-eee-soos @77

    Thanks for the posting.

    Hope that the selection of the new AD on December 7th is only coincidental and not significant.

  80. Old School Dave December 6, 2012 10:43 am

    Butch Jones turns down the Colorado job in spite of a boost in salary and the CU admin’s promises to upgrade the stadium and facilities there. Interesting in that Jones has followed the path of ND’s Brian Kelly taking over the HC jobs at Central Michigan, and now Cincinnati.

  81. cincodemayonnaisse December 6, 2012 11:12 am

    My heart goes out to the guys transferring out. Albeit a normal occurrence when there is a change of coaching leadership, Hawaii is a unique place where once you become one of “us” we (the community and fans) take you like ohana and not just a player.

    On the other side of things…..some of these casual fans who fault Chow for making a tough decision will also not be shamed to crucify a player that isn’t producing on a public forum. Crazy how hypocrisy can work, like a one sided mirror with no reflection.

    Bottom line is as a HC you have the burden of making tough decisions in front of thousands, you’re under a microscope constantly. I wish all those men a successful and prosperous life and career, maybe they didn’t fit into what the football program is trying to do now but there are many athlete’s that didn’t fit at their previous school that have shined for us…

    I hope that is what those guys take away from this situation rather than hard feelings…..

    Mike Edwards and Colt Brennan come to mind in recent memory and I know there are numerous others. Hopefully they can move on and be the next Steele Jantz at their new school….

  82. Stephen Tsai December 6, 2012 11:22 am


    McMackin had two bowl appearances, one winning season. Warriors were 7-7 in 2008. Postseason stats count, postseason records count.

  83. Derek December 6, 2012 11:22 am

    In 2009 McMackin got QB commitments from David Graves, Corey Nielsen, Cayman Shutter, and Kevin Spain. All 4 redshirted their first year. Nielsen hardly played and left the program before this season. Spain has been injured a lot and I don’t think he saw the field in real games. Shutter played sparingly in mop up duty. Graves started last year, but with the change in offensive philosophy Graves was left in the cold. Who made the QB evaluations, McMackin or Nick Rolovich? Cody Fajardo considered Hawaii but he decided on Nevada. Fajardo turned out to be very good. Did we miss?

  84. VonAppen December 6, 2012 11:24 am

    spisskyhrad the last line of your comment refutes your entire post. Back your facts up with credible resources. Aren’t you missing FOX news? Thanks for the manly propaganda but I’m not buying.

  85. Stephen Tsai December 6, 2012 11:27 am

    This week, players are told what their roles will be in 2013.

    There actually is a player who was told he probably would be a scout player in 2013. He said he wanted to stay, and keep fighting to move up the chain. So he gets to stay.

    This isn’t unique. JJ and McMackin did the same things.

  86. gobows December 6, 2012 11:44 am

    #85 travis laboy, david veikune, and bryant moniz all did pretty good after transferring to UH.

  87. Warrior4Life December 6, 2012 11:46 am

    Speaking of guns…here’s a story

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  89. Warrior Dave December 6, 2012 11:53 am

    Speaking of potential transfers leaving our program, I would be totally shocked if David Graves decided to stick around. Yes, his game is more suited for a RNS, but Chow did not respect what he accomplished in 2011. Did David even take one snap???? I heard he was in the stands and at tailgates alot this year.

    I’ve said in the past and standby the fact that if Mariotta wanted to come back to Hawaii, he wouldn’t play under Chow’s offense. Mariotta’s game is perfect for what they run in Oregon and would also be a good fit under Urban Meyer at OSU.

  90. LizKauai December 6, 2012 11:58 am

    The only guns I wanna see on this blog is a big gun QB, homey and Mrs. A-House…

    Coach Mack will always have my appreciation for the way he treated our kids in my presence. I can’t speak about anything else – I wasn’t there.

    I miss the RnS. Watching today’s Redskins and their pistol plays confounding the “pro style” opponents makes me wonder even more how awesome it might have been if they built their offense around CB5 back then.

    Go Warriors!

  91. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 6, 2012 12:04 pm

    How would they identify a household that is more or less likely to have a gun? Besides the US flag.

  92. Independent Thinker December 6, 2012 12:07 pm

    Things that will hurt serious recruiting:

    3-9 record

    1st time head coach

    history of poor decision making as hc

    hc with history of favoring “passed over” guys from the mainland over local recruits

    run first offense

    lack of national tv exposure

    hc who has a history of playing favorites even if it means losing the game

    coaching staff lacking in star power – no Noga, or a Tanuvasa, or some other former NFL stars on staff to impart critical knowledge to recruits about what it takes to make it to the “show”

  93. LizKauai December 6, 2012 12:07 pm

    Better to be killed than to kill.

  94. Independent Thinker December 6, 2012 12:12 pm

    Things that help recruiting

    great winning record

    hc with history of good decision making

    hc who clearly plays whoever he must in order to win

    hc who is not afraid to make changes in midstream, to win

    hc who does not play favorites, no matter what

    mixed offense, no preference for pass first or run first, by more inclined to pass first, with potent running game

    star power on coaching staff

    hc who wants to win first, play favorites second

  95. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 6, 2012 12:13 pm

    Err….. (0_o)

  96. VonAppen December 6, 2012 12:39 pm

    Nice comment Liz! I suggest this article in today’s SA sports section: Arms control begins with his legs. Julius Arile hopes to spread his message of peace by running to victory in the Honolulu Marathon.

    “Like it or not, we live in a gun culture. Part of that comes from our history. After the Revolution, every white, able-bodied man was not merely allowed to own a musket. He was required to so that he could help defend the fledgling nation. About 30,000 Americans die each year from gunfire, many in multiple fatality killings.

    America’s gun laws seem crazy to much of the rest of the world. They even seem crazy to a significant swath of the United States.

    But no matter how many mass shootings we live through, the laws will never change as long as guns occupy such a central place in our culture. So the real discussion we ought to be having is not about what the laws should be, but whether we like the fact that this is who we are.”

  97. WarriorNY December 6, 2012 12:42 pm

    Costas made some really good points in that interview with O’Reilly… The fact that 40% of guns sold in the country are done without background checks is kinda staggering… I think even O’Reilly agreed with him on that…


    Don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty sure NYC is one of the better big cities in terms of gun violence per capita…

  98. Old School Dave December 6, 2012 12:42 pm

    Also important factors in recruiting:

    1. The chance to compete and play right away if you have what it takes (talent, attitude, toughness, discipline, being coachable, drive, determination, toughness – again).

    2. To be a part of a turnaround and winning program.

    Just my 2 cents, but I don’t buy this “win at any cost” attitude. Too many players on previous coaching staffs who would miss practice, but still start or play that week. Is Chow a hard ass coach? Yeah, from all indications. He’s demanding and expects a lot from his players and from himself and his staff. Is Chow’s style of coaching for everyone? Probably not. Thus, they have to bring in the right type of student athlete who will thrive under such conditions, rules, and expectations.

    People can disagree, if they wish.

    “Those Who Stay, Will Be Champions” (Bo Schembechler)

  99. Old School Dave December 6, 2012 12:47 pm

    New Arkansas HC Bret Bielema was interviewed and said that Wisconsin wouldn’t make the commitment to help retain top assistant coaches. He lost three assistants last year due to more attractive offers at other schools. Wisconsin pays its assistants around $200,000, but those who left were being offered upwards of $400,000 at other schools as assistants.

  100. Kevin December 6, 2012 12:48 pm

    Gun culture?

    “Libtard” propaganda is no better than “Conservaturd” propaganda. Propaganda in general is what helped to KILL any sense of “unity” we had for a moment after 9/11.

    People don’t want to accept that human nature is one of dominance and to be dominant is to control opposition. From the beginning of time we’ve been killing each other and taking away guns doesn’t and won’t do anything.

    We’re NO better and not that more advanced than cavemen. The biggest difference is that we have better toys to keep ourselves occupied until history repeats itself.

    Until then…

    UH will name a new UHAD tomorrow. The basketball season is underway and the spring sports are just around the corner.

  101. LizKauai December 6, 2012 12:48 pm

    Mahalo, VonAppen!

    One day I woke up and said, I’m to old for this $h1t. It’s time to sing and focus on the positive and take back the power to be joyful and radiant.

    We have become addicted to violence – and for me, it is time to quit.

    As football becomes more violent and injuries increase, I may even stop supporting the game. It’s not worth sacrificing the lives of our young people… Guess that’s why I love the RnS… finesse, smarts, skills, unified action and that special “magic” when it works!


  102. Kevin December 6, 2012 12:51 pm

    Coaching does have an impact on recruiting, but over a while a coach will need more than his or her record to bring in top talent. Eventually when recruits come to visit UHM, they will have to see the investment the university places on academics and athletics. They will see it in facilities, infrastructure support, and in the everyday occurrences on campus.

    Where does UHM measure up in this instance?

    I think we all know the answer.

  103. madeinhawaii December 6, 2012 1:01 pm

    110. Alabama-Birmingham (3-9, 2-6)

    111. Florida Atlantic (3-9, 2-6)

    112. Illinois (2-10, 0-8)

    113. Kansas (1-11, 0-9)

    114. Hawaii (3-9, 1-7)

    115. Colorado (1-11, 1-8)

    116. Eastern Michigan (2-10, 1-7)

    117. Tulane (2-10, 2-6)

    118. UNLV (2-11, 2-6)

    119. South Alabama (2-11, 1-7)

    120. Massachusetts (1-11, 1-7)

    121. Akron (1-11, 0-8)

    122. New Mexico State (1-11, 0-6)

    123. Idaho (1-11, 1-5)

    124. Southern Mississippi (0-12, 0-8)

    Wonder what the record is as to how many steps a team has gone up in rankings over a single season?

  104. WarriorNY December 6, 2012 1:07 pm

    In any case,

    I hate that people throw Coach Mack under the bus… He was the one that hired ROLO and Aranda and promoted them! He tried to continue what JJ had accomplished.

    His recruiting wasn’t the greatest but he hired talented people that helped him win the WAC in 2010. People forget that Tyler Graunke wasn’t available for the first part of 2008 and that caused chaos in our QB situation. Then, Greg Alexander got hurt in 2009 causing chaos… Then, we won the WAC in 2010…

    That being said, I really think Coach Demo is going to dramatically increase the level of talent coming in from the East Coast and South… I believe in Coach Chow and what he is doing with the program… I can’t wait till signing day in February!

  105. WarriorNY December 6, 2012 1:09 pm

    A Grease,

    Can you fine my Dark Knight reference in 113!? 🙂

  106. Old School Dave December 6, 2012 1:11 pm

    Former players such as Shawn Ching, Kent Untermann, Blane Gaison, Larry Goes, Tom McCarthy, among many others, would be prime examples of positive spokesmen for the program and school itself. Many like these individuals have gone on to become successful in their chosen professions after graduating from UH.

  107. Independent Thinker December 6, 2012 1:11 pm

    Rudy’s brother in the movie Rudy said to Rudy: “If Notre Dame accepts you to play on its team, then my opinion of Notre Dame just went down the sh_ts!”, or something to that effect.

    If Manti Te’o does not win the Heisman despite the fact the Heisman Mission Statement reads as follows:

    “The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity.”

    Then my opinion about the Heisman just went down, in the words of Rudy’s brother, “the Sh_ts!”. I focus on and call emphasis to the part about “excellence with integrity”. Integrity is something Manziel last saw sometime in high school, and like Haley’s comment, it is special and rare when it appears in Manziel.

    Integrity is to Manzeil what surplus is to the US. If a guy who has serious integrity issues wins the Heisman over a guy whose integrity is impeccable, then the Heisman is a piece of cr_p, and it is better that Manti not get this piece of cr_p award. In fact, the statement should be revised to more accurately capture what they are looking for – persons who play football well, with integrity not an issue.

  108. Old School Dave December 6, 2012 1:12 pm

    Sorry, it’s Larry Goeas. My bad. I believe he’s still working as a stock broker and financial planner in town.

  109. Kevin December 6, 2012 1:16 pm


    I think we all hope that Chow doesn’t end up like the Gotham D.A. you are referring to… 😆 For the sake of the football program people better hope Chow turns things around…

    Then you have those that just ‘want to watch the world burn’ because their bias and tendencies to live in the past trump the bigger picture goal.

  110. laulau head December 6, 2012 1:18 pm

    Rudy was offsides…

  111. WarriorNY December 6, 2012 1:21 pm


    You my friend are too knowledgable of Chris Nolan’s films!

  112. WarriorNY December 6, 2012 1:23 pm

    I would love to meet up with Tsaiko’s and talk movies for one day… Between Kevin, A Grease, ST, Gigi and everyone else it’d be a fun chat…

  113. Mitch Kalt December 6, 2012 1:24 pm

    Thank you for this blog article, it was just what I was looking for. There is so much information here, so I thank you so much for enlightening my mind.

  114. d1shima December 6, 2012 1:31 pm

    Guns, violence and football. Bringing it all together…

    Is the culture more violent? Maybe, maybe not. Lots of people have cameras on them now; there are many more surveillance cameras present. News media is much more hard pressed to report the sensational in order to stay relevant and profitable. Murder is not new, goes back to Cain and Abel; our fascination with it may be.

    Is football more violent? Maybe, maybe not. The players are bigger, faster and stronger. Fast-paced offenses are snapping the ball 80+ times per game. The proliferation of off-season clinics and individualized tutoring make it possible for younger bodies to be thrown into serious competition before physical maturation can occur.

    Is a college education more valuable now? Maybe, maybe not. Tuitions rise each year far beyond the rate of inflation, fueled by out of control government “loans” that flood the market with ca$h. More and more economically disadvantaged families see a football scholarship as the only viable path out of poverty. In the last century that opportunity was mainly confined to one minority group. Today, there is an entirely different group who has arrived on the scene. If the Heisman is awarded one way on Saturday, there will be a huge explosion in the interest in that group…but there will still be the same number of scholarships available.

    Anyway, what was the question?

  115. WarriorNY December 6, 2012 1:33 pm


    Those “jokers” that live in the past just don’t understand the complexities of turning our program around…

  116. Joe December 6, 2012 1:33 pm

    Let us also not forget Coach McMackin was instrumental in the 1999 turnaround Championship year, 2007 Championship and Sugar Bowl year, and 2010 Championship. He was a players coach and a taught our kids valuable lessons. Those who hate have no real knowledge of the inner workings and relationships between players and coaches, however like Auntie Liz said, his love and commitment to his players and their success on the field and off were evident. Some people need to move on, stop making junk up as if they are “in the know”, birdies included. Appreciate all Warriors, past, present, and future.

  117. d1shima December 6, 2012 1:40 pm


    Other than the flag, maybe a yard sign?

  118. WarriorNY December 6, 2012 1:42 pm


    I’m sorry but if you’re blaming movies and video games for some of those tragedies that happened… you lost my respect…

    Columbine wasn’t caused by “The Matrix” or any other BS. It was caused by kids who had mental issues…

    Millions and Millions play “Call of Duty” or watch “The Expendibles 2” I didn’t want to get into this argument but some things just need to be addressed

  119. d1shima December 6, 2012 1:49 pm

    Manti Te’o wins the Walter Camp Award for the best CFB player in America.

  120. d1shima December 6, 2012 1:51 pm

    Hugh Green and Charles Woodson were the only other past defensive player awardees

  121. d1shima December 6, 2012 1:58 pm



    try this link.

  122. Independent Thinker December 6, 2012 2:00 pm

    Thanks, D1. I looked at the list of people who have won this award, wow! Incredible company for Manti, and for Hawaii.

  123. WarriorNY December 6, 2012 2:03 pm

    I want to post this… It’s from a couple weeks ago but left Jim Rome speechless…

  124. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 2:10 pm

    Derek #87, Kevin Spain was a 2010 recruit. We took him over Andrew Manley. Cody Fajardo was also a 2010 graduate

  125. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 2:12 pm

    #87, Corey Nielsen left for St Francis (PA) before the start of LAST season. He’s been a backup for 2 years.

  126. d1shima December 6, 2012 2:25 pm

    Mahalo WNY

  127. Diogenes Sinope December 6, 2012 2:34 pm

    People kill people — guns don’t

    So let’s kill people.

  128. papajoe2 December 6, 2012 2:39 pm

    #134 BigWavexxxxx, I think that the Warriors offered the qbs with 1 scholarship, but Manley waited because thought he could get a better offer or just wasn’t ready to make a commitment. Spain took the offer immediately thus leaving Manley out.

  129. Da Punchbowl Kid December 6, 2012 2:42 pm

    #137 –

    That’s some deadly, cynical philosophy for you.

  130. Kevin December 6, 2012 2:58 pm

    Serial killers and murderers existed way before video games and movies of such graphic nature.

    To blame entertainment is lazy. Again, I FULLY subscribe to the notion that ‘Guns don’t kill, PEOPLE kill’, yet there is no logical real sense to blame media.

    People still killed others way before. 99.9%… they have mental issues of some extreme sort.

    Why are there more incidents now??? DUH! There are more people around. The probability increases.

    Again, the violent gene is inherit in all of us and now that there is more and more of “us” around… the chances of incidents increase.

    Every great society craps out when their population grows to a certain point… coincidence? I don’t think ancient Rome had Call of Duty and X-Boxes….

    Deal with the fact that there are things we as a species cannot help and move on with your lives for however long that may be.

  131. ai-eee-soos December 6, 2012 3:12 pm

    … Agree with #139.

    139.papajoe2: December 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    #134 …………, I think that the Warriors offered the qbs with 1 scholarship, but Manley waited because thought he could get a better offer or just wasn’t ready to make a commitment. Spain took the offer immediately thus leaving Manley out.

  132. SteveM December 6, 2012 3:17 pm

    So what do you think about the increase in shark attacks in the islands?

    The poor sharks are only trying to eat.

  133. WarriorMojo December 6, 2012 3:22 pm

    Re #141

    Is there truly such a thing as a “violent gene”? I may be wrong, but I doubt that there is sufficient scientific evidence to prove that violence is part of the standard human genome.

  134. AlaWai December 6, 2012 3:23 pm

    Manti Te`o wins Walter Camp award and interviewed:

  135. haka December 6, 2012 3:28 pm

    sharks wouldn’t kill people if they paid some interest

  136. Kevin December 6, 2012 3:29 pm


    Call it whatevers, bottom line is we are ALL capable of violence in certain situations.

    It may not be an actual “gene” but the instinct and the WILL TO ACT is there. No denying it.

  137. Kevin December 6, 2012 3:31 pm

    Shark attack increases… isn’t that because of abortion and gay marriage? Because if those two things can cause Hurricane Sandy.. well then…


  138. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 4:09 pm

    Looks like Gordy Shaw and Jason Gesser have been cleaned out of Idaho

  139. BigWave96744 December 6, 2012 4:11 pm

    Looks like LaTech HS Sonny Dykes will be the next HC at Cal…

    LaTech players must feel screwed, first no bowl game because of the bonehead AD, now no coach

  140. Kevin December 6, 2012 4:13 pm

    At least LaTech is OUT of the WAC..

  141. WarriorMojo December 6, 2012 4:18 pm

    Re #149

    Agreed, no doubt about it. But the difference between genetically determined behavior and free will makes ALL the difference.

    The CAPACITY for violence is present in all, but not everyone behaves violently. Violent behavior is a choice. It may be a choice greatly influenced by genetics, upbringing, present conditions, or whatever else, but it IS nevertheless a chosen, intended act. There are very, very few instances in which a person is completely incapable of controlling their own violent behavior. And that’s why we have jails.

    None of this, by the way, has anything to do, pro or con, with gun ownership in my opinion.

  142. madeinhawaii December 6, 2012 4:19 pm

    RE: Sonny Dykes:

    Steve Berkowitz of USA Today reports that Sonny’s buyout of his contract at Louisiana Tech is $500,000; but had they been scheduled for a bowl game and he left before that game the buyout would have been $800,000.


  143. WarriorMojo December 6, 2012 4:29 pm

    On another note the Manti Teo phenomenon is truly amazing, an object study in the cult of personality. It has obviously attained critical mass. People who have no idea who he is have come out singing his praises. No one wants to be last to board the St. Manti train. Kudos to whomever was in charge of image management.

  144. wafan December 6, 2012 4:37 pm

    Good evening!

  145. greenthumb December 6, 2012 5:04 pm

    Alema Tachibana, Hunter Hallowed and Jared Leaf … adding my thanks to you and your families for your time in UH uniform. As others have said so eloquently, you gave us your time and service and became part of our family. Humbly wishing you happiness and success on your new paths. 🙂

  146. Chicken Grease December 6, 2012 6:21 pm


    December 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    A Grease,

    Can you fine my Dark Knight reference in 113!?

    You mean # 111? If so, WarriorNY . . . do you mean the chaos part?

    Agree w/WarriorNY that would be great conversation with Tsaikos and Tsaikettes; add in food and drink, too 😉 . A Grease is shy.

    Hey, you anti-2nd Amentors . . . go find out how many mass shooting incidents were committed by those who hold concealed carry licenses. You won’t need a calculator or even paper and writing instrument to keep track of that number. Deal with it.

  147. gobows December 6, 2012 6:25 pm

    #’s 136, 138, 140, & 148 ????

  148. gobows December 6, 2012 6:25 pm


  149. Chicken Grease December 6, 2012 6:28 pm


    December 6th, 2012 at 8:12 am

    @31 I do not believe you are the real a Grease

    Heh. Someboty tried to imitate a Grease. Wish a Grease got to see it. Thanks for the notice, DoubleB.

    A Grease’d say “amateur hour comes to The Warrior Beat, but, uh, that might be too generous. And, admittedly, a Grease din’t get to see it, shucks.

  150. kapakahi December 6, 2012 7:55 pm

    #135 & #138,

    That was Mack’s version….but not the same one told among alot of local HS coaches.

    Not that it matters anymore, BUT…..

    When Spain accepted the offer, Manley’s offer….which was strictly verbal….unexpectedly became a greyshirt offer. When Manley tripped to NMSU, Mack then pulled the greyshirt offer… Manley had no choice other than NMSU.

    Ironically Chow is the one who recommended Manley to NMSU HC DeWayne Walker (former UCLA DC same time that Chow was UCLA OC)…..since UCLA was switching from the Pro Set Offense to the Pistol Offense.

  151. kapakahi December 6, 2012 7:57 pm


    The de-construction isn’t over yet….SO the rebuilding hasn’t yet begun.

    Which means that could get worse…..before it gets better.

  152. kapakahi December 6, 2012 7:58 pm



  153. kapakahi December 6, 2012 8:05 pm


    Nope…..just happen to know some Warriors….past and present….and their families.

  154. kapakahi December 6, 2012 8:24 pm


    Not sure if you saw my response post from 2 days ago, but Ben Dew appears safe for now….just gotta work out some physical issues. However maybe not some other local high school OL products (recruited by the previous coaching staff) might not be safe…..judging from evaluation reviews provided by the OL Coach at their respective exit interviews.

    Otherwise, mostly non-line positions being targeted……even some former one-time starters during the early half of this past season. Hopefully doesn’t also result in some unintended departures too.

    This gradual de-construction process is obviously still continuing….through this off-season….’til next Fall Camp.

    Not sure how and/or when the re-building process begins.


  155. Cocobean December 6, 2012 8:39 pm

    Kapakahi. The foundation has been laid. Chow will have a fair amount of returnees with valuable playing time to build on. It’s a matter of filling pukas and adding depth. Next year may not be dramtically better in the W column but I expect the team’s competive level to be better. We won’t be out of as many games by halftime as this year.

    Going into Spring Camp there should be some sort depth chart unlike this year where every slot was up for grabs. Players won’t have learn Chowese to understand offensive terminology nor Kaumeyerian to understand defensive terminology. Overall play should improve with players reacting rather than thinking.

    I don’t expect a finished project in two years but I hope Chow will speed up whatever time table he’s initially planned on.

  156. mo808 December 6, 2012 8:53 pm

    Sorry folks…it’s the Christmas season and I am really occupied to read every entry thoroughly!

    But, Hey–what ‘s wrong with responsible gun ownership! I for one do not intend to give up the ghost without a fight 🙂

  157. Cocobean December 6, 2012 8:56 pm

    Compromise. Ban gun powder not guns. Gay marriage legal only in leap years. Abortions may be performed only on Sundays.

  158. WarriorMojo December 6, 2012 9:04 pm

    Kapakahi, thanks for your response. Glad that Dew is safe ’cause I think he has upside. Based upon what you said, I’m guessing Lloyd, Loeffler and maybe Shigematsu are on the bubble.

  159. WarriorMojo December 6, 2012 9:05 pm

    Whoops, should I not have speculated out loud?

  160. kapakahi December 6, 2012 9:12 pm


    While lack of playing experience was a definite factor this past season and the lack of depth at OL and DL positions remains an issue (that’ll hopefully get resolved through recruiting), JMHO that determining whether the team improves (or not) has LESS to do with the X’s and O’s and terminology/schemes/nor assignments or even personnel this next season…..and MORE to do with how much the Warriors players have bought-in (or not)… the coaching staff and their philosophies & methods… indicate to what degree the team dynamic and trust…..particularly among the offensive coaches and players…..will improve (or not)… motivate the players (or not)… order to perform to their potential (or not)… translate to the field for next season.

    JMHO that a solid foundation can’t be laid….until the de-construction concludes… order to allow the re-buliding process to begin. Re-building while concurrently de-constructing usually results in a divided team….not a unified one….with inconsistent results….not steady improvements.

  161. kapakahi December 6, 2012 9:14 pm

    #165 & #166,

    Not saying….

  162. al December 6, 2012 9:15 pm


    two things,

    one, shamburger was recruited very heavily by the gibber out of hs. the burger wanted to come to hawaii, too. however, “mama knows best” and you need both parents to sign a letter of intent. (enter bobby miles)

    two, he was unhappy with the direction of the sjsu bball program. when he came of age, he applied and transferred to hawaii on his own. he’s happy about his decision and so is the gibber. (exit bobby miles)

    three, so we didn’t steal him from sjsu we accepted him with open arms. in practices he is the scout’s pg and he clearly displays who will be the pg next year.

  163. al December 6, 2012 9:17 pm

    if one was to observe practices this spring and fall they would not dispute the fact that graham is at least five manapua’s ahead of the rest.

  164. al December 6, 2012 9:23 pm

    every program cleans house at the end of each season.

    regardless if it is a new coach, old coach, or no coach personnel move in and out of the door.

    sometimes the academics just takes it toll.

    sometimes the student/athlete just knows he doin’t belong and moves along.

    sometimes the coach just knows he don’t belong and suggests he moves along.

    sometimes an injury takes it toll and athletes “retire”.

    etc, etc, etc.

    facts of life.

    facts of a scholarship student/athlete.

    same thing happens to a scholarly student on academic scholarship. no grades, no rides.

    don’t be surprised folks. it happens in the work force, too.

  165. al December 6, 2012 9:24 pm

    to sum up…we have to get bigger, stronger, and faster.

    this year…we were not.

  166. al December 6, 2012 9:30 pm

    in speaking to another former uh athlete who actually was an all wac olineman in his hey day…the one thing that really apalled him was that he felt physically our olinemen were “pudgy”.

    and this is a guy who played at no more than 258 lbs as tackle.

  167. mo808 December 6, 2012 9:31 pm

    @164. Nope! There can be no compromise! If a man doesn’t stand for principle, in my book–he has no leg to stand on period!

  168. al December 6, 2012 9:31 pm

    i’ve been saying that we’ll end up with 20+ new scholarship athletes come february.

    not sure where dejon allen will count, but, he’s on target to join up in january.

  169. MattyBoy December 6, 2012 9:48 pm


    You think Dejon Allen is still willing to come to Hawaii?

  170. Kevin December 6, 2012 9:58 pm

    Some people’s principals are defined by a simplistic mob mentality.

    Some people can compromise while standing on principals.

    Some people:

    -Less government rule and interference in economic matters.

    -Believe heavy taxation is NOT the simple solution

    -Believe in the right to own guns.

    -Believe in STRICT welfare reform.

    -Believe in defending our homeland from illegal immigrants and a stauch stand against terrorism.

    -Believe it’s silly to FORCE “Happy Holidays” as a more “correct” term as opposed to “Merry Christmas”.

    -Believe the “Pledge of Allegiance” SHOULD remain in the classroom.





    -Believe in people’s individual RIGHTS to pursue and express their own sexual and religious preferences without interference and prejudice from entities, organizations, and government and possess the right to pursue equity as guaranteed as stated by OUR Declaration of Independence where “all men are created EQUAL”.

    Its the last one that gets me…. for there some people that acquiesce to the peer pressures of a political party that supposedly promotes the freedom of the “individual”… yet… umm… yeah right. This is another sign of weakness.

    “Faith” by default… WEAK.

  171. Kevin December 6, 2012 10:00 pm

    (hit submit too early)

    I myself believe in ALL of the above at #178…

    To define one’s believes by political party labels only truly is a sign of regression since we, as a race (human race) supposedly rose from the ashes when the Age of Reason began…

  172. kapakahi December 6, 2012 10:02 pm

    #161, #165, & #168,

    JMHO that OL recruiting/development approach and philosophy being applied this off-season is questionable.

    While Coach Chow himself publicly praised the former coaching staff several times for recruiting physically talented OL players (but just not enough of them)…..repeated stating that from Spring Ball through the beginning of the just completed season, instead some have been writen off and are now targeted for potential departure from the program (instead of being taught and developed to play to their physical potential).

    While some top high school OL players (only 2 locally but mostly on mainland) are being actively recruited, a main part of this off-season OL recruiting approach apparently is to attempt to recruit the rare high-in-demand “already coached-up ready-to-play” JC OL transfers instead.

    JMHO that the OL recruiting/development philosophy should be… focus on recruiting physically talented high school OL players to teach and develop….instead of JC OL transfers.

  173. 3-Prong December 6, 2012 10:10 pm

    Manti, Most Decorated College Football Player in History. Wow.

  174. Cocobean December 6, 2012 10:13 pm

    mo808. I’m neutral on gun control and most other social issues. As far as I’m concerned social issues such as these will always be debated as long as there are Stars and Stripes on our flag.

    i’ve heard just about every pro and con point of view before. Was just trying to be whimsical, nothing well thought out.

  175. kapakahi December 6, 2012 10:18 pm


    JMHO that this is all the undesired result of the following:

    – Overtraining methods….causing unwanted loss of weight, strength, stamina, and explosiveness….resulting in listless efforts.

    – Shortcomings of OL coaching….to properly teach and develop the physical talents and capabillities of the young OL players….as well as to motivate them….to play to their potential.

  176. WarriorMojo December 6, 2012 10:18 pm

    Kapakahi, that would be ideal, but it seems like we would be lacking bodies anyway at OL no matter which approach is taken. Let’s say we start Muir, Winchester-Makainai, Clarke, Lefotu and Milovale, which is how we ended this year. I still say Milovale is much better suited for G, but we are lacking at T.

    Shigematsu had a serious knee injury and that often takes until the second season to really bounce back . But gosh this season he really struggled. That leaves Afusia, Dew, Loeffler and Lloyd. I believe Loeffler got in a couple of plays in one game that I saw and Afusia got some plays at G. I don’t think Dew or Lloyd played at all. Also Sai as RFrosh and Waa, hopefully, as a true frosh.

    Think we might HAVE to go JC for a quick fix.

  177. Cocobean December 6, 2012 10:39 pm


    One thing that I wonder(ed) about is the off season training after school is out. Under Mack it seemed like the numbers sticking around to workout/train was increasing every year ala Boise.

    Going in Mack’s last season I remember reading how various player groups were working out together to motivate each other. To get better physically and to build unit cohesion. I’m pretty sure it was mentioned the O line had the highest percentage of any group of guys showing up for player organized workout.

    I wonder what numbers showed up this year and how many will show up next year. Leaders need to step up in Spring Ball. You know guys like Meatoga, Paredes, Pollard, Moniz….

  178. Kekoa December 6, 2012 10:56 pm

    Byron’s, the landmark Plate Lunch stand near the airport is…CLOSING!

    My fave (Strawberry Slush Float) will no longer be available 24/7. The posted monthly menu will be no more. Some of the more exotic dishes that used to include turnip greens with ‘Possum fat will disappear forever!

    Maybe we should gather for a final Byron’s T-gate to pay tribute to 47 years of service to the public…(tsai).

  179. el burro sabio December 6, 2012 11:37 pm

    Training too hard? Or not training enough? Or not training correctly?


    December 6th, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    in speaking to another former uh athlete who actually was an all wac olineman in his hey day…the one thing that really apalled him was that he felt physically our olinemen were “pudgy”.

    and this is a guy who played at no more than 258 lbs as tackle.


    December 6th, 2012 at 10:18 pm


    JMHO that this is all the undesired result of the following:

    – Overtraining methods….causing unwanted loss of weight, strength, stamina, and explosiveness….resulting in listless efforts.

    – Shortcomings of OL coaching….to properly teach and develop the physical talents and capabillities of the young OL players….as well as to motivate them….to play to their potential.

  180. al December 6, 2012 11:39 pm

    matty boy…thats what he said.

  181. al December 6, 2012 11:46 pm

    wmojo…several juco lineman are way up on the needs list. both oline and dline.

    hopefully we land a complement of juco’s and hs guys.

    we also have koloamatangi who redshirted this year. and in another year gus fakava.

    we look to land at least two dtackles and two dends. if dejon “mustard” allen arrives in january that’s another big body to go along with kennedy.

    hopefully, we get a bead on the oliners soon.

  182. al December 6, 2012 11:57 pm

    kapakahi…the reason why we are after a few good jc lineman is that the numbers are still askew as far classes go. typically your starters are the more mature upper classmen. this was very evident this past year.

    truly, every coach would love to have the luxury of just reloading each year which lends to recruiting of high schoolers. however, the current numbers are still unbalanced, thus, the jc fix should help until we can right the numbers.

    apparently some whispers in the hall way is going on. there are a handful who struggled this year physically. i mean that they physically were outmanned, okay, manhandled, which led to the sacks, hurries, and lack of time for plays to develope as well. you can coach anyone up to the point of their maximum potential but once that is tapped not much else can be done.

    i wouldn’t point out the oline coach just yet. you do realize he also was aided by keith uperesa who has always been highly regarded in the coaching ranks as an oline guru.

    a good example is the new mexico linemen. they were big, strong, and much quicker than what we could put up as a group. it showed and anyone who was there would have picked that up after the first quarter let alone after they ran out on the field during initial warmups.

  183. al December 7, 2012 12:08 am

    lizk…the run and shoot was a great spectators offense. women who typically don’t like football are attracted to it. why? because of two things.

    one, the ball moves a lot on the field, a lot of scoring, etc. typically, defense is second to offense. its great for viewing, but, then again so is flag football. a parable is like many people get bored watching a 1-0 ten inning baseball game, but, give them a 12-11 come from behind win…

    two, the game in the trenches is where the game is won or lost. but, how many people watch what’s going on? no they are too busy watching the qb. why? they don’t appreciate where the real game is being played.

    three, unless you actually played or practiced you won’t know what great physical and mental effort is necesssary in the game of football. its a lot of blood, sweat, and tears. hitting and getting hit can be as violent as say your defribillator going off.

    next time watch the game within the game. and if you think that football shouldn’t have violence then its not football you want to cheer for.

    its like everyone put down schroeder. but, he was on his back too often and when he wasn’t he had to hurry. surely, he is no johnny unitas but he was the best we had this year.

  184. G (China) December 7, 2012 1:29 am

    not sure what happened to my earlier posts. but to believe media doesn’t play a role is to say you simply don’t believe in the power of marketing.

  185. Shoko December 7, 2012 3:06 am

    Good luck to Tachibana, Hunter and Leaf. Sort of explains why Tachibana fought the DUI charge. Not good having that on your record, even though its not necessarily considered a disqualifier when pursuing a law enforcement career.

  186. Shoko December 7, 2012 3:14 am

    Sorry to hear about Byron’s closing. That was always the go-to-place when on a short layover.

  187. Shoko December 7, 2012 3:22 am

    So, the recruiting budget is not 21 scholarships?

  188. Shoko December 7, 2012 3:39 am

    Okay, pau reading. Everyone have a nice TGIF!

  189. mo808 December 7, 2012 5:04 am

    Good Friday Folks!

  190. mo808 December 7, 2012 5:05 am

    200 🙂

  191. mo808 December 7, 2012 5:05 am

    Cocobean, I know that you were being whimsical…I like a good laugh too! Just not at the expense of the unborn though.

  192. mo808 December 7, 2012 5:07 am

    Kekoa, Byron’s Cattle Call? Just say when!

  193. Slugger December 7, 2012 5:07 am

    Good morning, gang! Happy Aloha Friday!


  194. d1shima December 7, 2012 5:16 am

    Great Morning All!

    Best of luck to the Fleeing Foursome. Hoping that their opportunities abound and their decision-making is sound.

  195. d1shima December 7, 2012 5:18 am

    Remember Pearl Harbor

  196. wasabi December 7, 2012 5:32 am

    193…sorry al, but the entertainment value draws the fans and the fans spend the money. The money keeps the program and all UH sports alive. I can appreciate your longing for a return to blood and guts football but I don’t see that creating the revenue needed for the program to thrive.

  197. d1shima December 7, 2012 5:44 am

    “Offense sells tickets, Defense wins championships.”

    Hawaii fans have gone contrary to that idiom in the past with many “watercooler discussions” focused on the “Ooh and Ahh” hits laid on visiting teams.

    Could this be the path to “Chase Championships”?

    Some fans recall the heyday crowds at Aloha Stadium fondly when the HC’s mantra was, “preserve our right to punt.”


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