The beginning is near …

Not sure how the offensive line will do. 

Can’t make a guess on the Warriors’ pass rush. 

But I know this for sure: The haka is the best it’s ever been. 

Nobody is trying to hide in the back, least of all the freshmen. The one thing that a UH official wondered was: If this is a team chant, why aren’t the coaches involved? Why indeed?

* * * * * 

The Warriors appeared to have correctly handled running back Alex Green’s medical situation, holding him out for about a week before allowing him to resume practicing the past Thursday. Green had suffered a concussion from a non-football accident. The NCAA has implemented stricter guidelines in dealing with concussions — conditions the UH medical staff met in enforcing Green’s care. 

* * * * * 

The area near the entrance of the grass practice field is known as Tommy’s Corner, where strength coach Tommy Heffernan makes injured players do exercises, such as sit-ups and push-ups, while their teammates practice. Lately, there are about a couple of players assigned there. That’s what happens in the days leading to the season opener. 

* * * * 

I erred in reporting that Ryan Henry is the No. 1 punt returner. That job belongs to Greg Salas.


  1. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:31 am

    Last day of August.

  2. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:31 am

    That means that the football season is here.

  3. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:32 am

    Kind of wish that Greg Salas wasn’t our punt returner.

  4. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:33 am

    But I do understand that Salas will look better to the NFL scouts if he can do more things.

  5. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:34 am

    That’s a lot of sit-ups and push-ups that can be done in the two hours when everyone else is practicing.

  6. Stephen Tsai August 31, 2010 12:34 am

    That was the intent with Davone Bess.

  7. Stephen Tsai August 31, 2010 12:35 am

    I guess the idea was to make the rehab more painful than the injury.

  8. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:35 am

    Tommy’s Corner just doesn’t sound like a place that is comfortable to hang out at.

  9. Stephen Tsai August 31, 2010 12:36 am


    I realized I used your real name instead of your online handle for the b-day greetings.

  10. Stephen Tsai August 31, 2010 12:36 am

    Heffernan serves “ail.”

  11. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:37 am

    Stephen Tsai:

    August 31st, 2010 at 12:35 am

    I guess the idea was to make the rehab more painful than the injury.

    Yes, great incentive to get better quickly.

  12. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:38 am

    Stephen Tsai:

    August 31st, 2010 at 12:36 am


    I realized I used your real name instead of your online handle for the b-day greetings.

    No problem Tsai. I realize that you use your real name too. It’s all good.

  13. Pride. August 31, 2010 12:48 am

    Not sure how the offensive line will do.

    Can’t make a guess on the Warriors’ pass rush.

    I’m sure the young Warriors on both sides of the ball will grow into their jobs. Players will emerge. All they need is time. Experience is a good teacher. Bad experiences are even better teachers. Hopefully there are a few guys that learned last year at the hands of the win against Navy and the loss against Wisconsin. From what I hear, that entire offensive line from Wisconsin will eventually all be starting linemen in the NFL in a few years. Playing against guys like that is good. Getting knocked around by guys who are 6-8 335 pounds, makes you better when you play against guys who are only 6-5 310 pounds.

  14. al August 31, 2010 12:58 am

    is this a private conversaton?

  15. al August 31, 2010 1:00 am

    seems like me keyboard s a little sticky.

    conversation, okay got it right.

  16. al August 31, 2010 1:02 am

    i thought we’d be seeing allen sampson returning punts?

  17. Michigan Warrior August 31, 2010 1:47 am

    I’m thinking along the same lines… I’d like to see Salas at 100% on offense, and give that returner job to someone else.

  18. UKU@LA August 31, 2010 2:04 am


    Much Aloha from LA! See ‘ya in few hours! YESSS!!!


    MANEO !!!

  19. NYUH August 31, 2010 2:56 am

    College football is God’s way of making up for the end of the summer.

    But his second-quarter sack that knocked Oakland quarterback Jason Campbell out of the game during Saturday’s 28-24 victory over the Raiders was his most impressive play yet in a San Francisco uniform.

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  20. RainbowCliff August 31, 2010 3:01 am

    Good morning Tsaiko Nation !

    Up and adam from a GREAT birthday and house warming celebration !

    News from USC will be a light workout this morning with no contact

    of physical play. Weight lifting will follow, shower and off to training


    Load up on the bus with players wearing their usc aloha shirts or polo

    attire and flying off before 3:00 heading to you good folks of Warrior

    Beat Nation !

    Should be landing around 5:00 Hawaii time as “THE GAME” is 72 hours


    Coach Lane Kiffin is concern with his young and injury prone offensive line

    as seniors making the trip are just rounding out to shape because of injuries

    sustained as coaches had to pull back with a “lot of non contact days” to preserved

    their bodies from further medical hardship as 12 offensive line men are on scholarship

    as about half have little or no game experience.

    Kiffin states “the unit will be a work in progress and conceded that he was concerned

    how the limited – contact approach might affect the line and running game”.

    Projected starters senior center Kristofer O’ Dowd to be flanked on the right by sophomore

    guard Khaled Holmes and junior tackle Tyrone Smith. Senior guard Butch Lewis and sophomore tackle Matt Kalil would start on the left side as this core is finally healthy enough

    to work together just last week leading up to Thursday opening match !

    Despite all the speculation and uncertanties the Trojans will be ready and “FLYING”

    with strength, speed and physical presence. Protecting Moniz and allowing him time

    to run n shoot the offense will determine IF the Warriors can stay in the game offensively

    with the mighty men of Troy !

    Defensively Hawaii MUST not let USC skill athletes get loose as Barkley and his boys

    are “EXPLOSIVE” and when the running and receiving game is clicking as their is no

    stopping their edge from turning it off as blow out city is coming and Kiffin will not

    hold back !

    Spread is at 18 points and may get bigger by game day as the Warriors need to look

    good by staying in the game, keeping it close and competitive as 40,000 fans will be

    cheering them on in Aloha stadium with the rest of us sport Hawaii loyalist fanatics watching closely to espn live telecast !

    Good luck and Imua Warriors !

  21. Ronnie August 31, 2010 3:20 am

    Good Morning Tsaiko Family!

    Any LoCal Tsaikos ready for a Calf Call?

    Game Day Tailgate (sort of)

    Thursday, September 2nd

    11:30 am

    Da Lu’au Hawaiian Grill

    14151 Jeffrey Road

    Irvine, CA 92620

    TEL: (949) 748-8855

    (one block east of the I-5 in the Kohl Shopping Center)

  22. UKU@LA August 31, 2010 3:44 am

    Go Warriors!

    Oh, first stop Tasty Chop Suey, Gau Gee Mein soup! No cook noodles too long!

    Real PAKE, NO?

    MANEO !!!

  23. NYUH August 31, 2010 3:54 am

    Damn, Stephen was busy yesterday. Great articles on the o-line and George Daily-Lyles. Think the latter is going to be motivated for SC? No wonder they are are starting him over Lolotai and Huen.

    Glad the o-line is sticking up for themselves…

    “Go in the archives,” Hansen said. “The same guys who think they’re so clever writing about how we don’t have any experience … they were talking about the same thing in ’06. Not that (those linemen) didn’t have any experience, but the question mark was going to be the offensive line.

    Read more:

  24. Ronnie August 31, 2010 4:16 am

    UKU@LA – Have fun back home! Especially at the game!!! 😀

  25. NYUH August 31, 2010 4:30 am

    A year of transition starts for the Trojans in Hawaii, where they will face a fast spread offense that will test their young secondary.

  26. Garret August 31, 2010 4:44 am

    All of the USC fans coming to the game are giving a nice boost to Hawaii’s economy. This is an example about how UH Athletics brings money to the state.

    The majority of USC fans took advantage of package deals and are staying at hotels in Waikiki. The increase in visitors comes during a normally slower month for the state’s tourism industry.

    “Its a great thing for us and Hawaii in general. Usually, after summer things slow down a bit what we call, ‘the shoulder season’ so to have USC here this time is great for football, it’s great for the economy,” said Jim Palank, director of sales and marketing of the Royal Hawaiian.

  27. Garret August 31, 2010 4:49 am

    Not an Expert,

    You did make a good point. When I posted that C-USA rumor, I should have pointed out why it would be *good* for UH if it came true. Since most of the other realignment news has seemed negative, I can understand why you thought that rumor was a negative one also.

    I think that if I had pointed out that it would be good for UH if the C-USA was able to raid the MWC, then you wouldn’t have been unhappy with the post. I was just rushing through my post and didn’t give the positive explanation then. Too bad that rumor doesn’t seem to be true, since basically forcing the MWC to merge with the WAC would be nice for UH.

  28. design your own bmx bike August 31, 2010 4:49 am

    Good job!

  29. Garret August 31, 2010 4:52 am

    Not only does the University of California system have to deal with significant budget cuts (due to California’s budget problems) and reduced donations (due to the economy), their retirement system faces a $20 billion shortfall! This is mainly due to how they decided to stop paying into the retirement system 20 years ago because they thought it was overfunded…20 years of not contributing to the retirement fund resulted in not having enough for pensions now.

  30. Hank August 31, 2010 5:11 am

    …good morn’in everybody…

  31. Hank August 31, 2010 5:13 am

    …GDL reminds me of London Fletcher….

  32. expat August 31, 2010 5:15 am

    USC is helping the local economy in one other way — they are chartering a Hawaiian 767.

  33. Hank August 31, 2010 5:16 am

    …Austin Hansen is a leader…and it’s great to see..

  34. Hank August 31, 2010 5:19 am

    …Salas returning punts means sure hands and experience…no mistakes and good decision making…i’ll take it…

  35. Chance Wykoff August 31, 2010 5:30 am

    This is a fantastic post about personal training. It’s without a doubt worth sharing!

  36. CoolEthan August 31, 2010 5:31 am

    Salas’ future is this year.

    Need to show all that he can handle.

    He’s a tough guy. A real FB player

    John Madden will be giving his props to Salas soon.

  37. d1島 August 31, 2010 5:48 am

    Great Morning All!

    Two days away!

  38. d1島 August 31, 2010 5:49 am

    Like the confidence from Austin Hansen and the motivation for GDL…

    Have a terrific day erryboddy!


  39. protector August 31, 2010 5:54 am

    Pride on 3 and Michigan Warrior on 17,

    I also am queasy about risking Greg Salas as a punt returner. And I don’t think Coach Mack is really doing it to enhance Greg’s NFL future prospects thru displaying versatility. I think it’s Coach Mack’s commitment to having the best players/play-makers on the field. In this case though, it’s a high-risk proposition.

  40. Dayhawk solutions August 31, 2010 5:57 am

    I really loved this post. You describe this topic very well. I really love your blog and I will definetly bookmark it! Keep up the interesting posts! 🙂

  41. Annoddah Dave August 31, 2010 5:59 am

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs,

    It is almost here! The anticipation is killing! Here’s hoping the USC band allows the Warrior Band to play the Alma Mater…if not, make all kinds of noise with the thunder sticks!!!

    Go Warriors!!!!!

  42. Jack Flash August 31, 2010 6:01 am

    Aloha Tsaikos,

    I’ve been hesitant to comment on all the conference headaches, but here’s the truth- the MWC is made up of schools who’s presidents are backstabbers, snakes, and perverts.

    Let’s show ’em on the field where it matters most!


  43. CoolEthan August 31, 2010 6:06 am


    I’m stumped

    Which one is the pervert?

  44. bb August 31, 2010 6:08 am

    USC staying at Ihilani?

    Damn..they don’t mess around.

  45. protector August 31, 2010 6:15 am

    Can’t wait. How does it go? …Full eyes, full heart, can’t lose! It’s Thursday Night Lights, baby!!

  46. LizKauai (iPad) August 31, 2010 6:29 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    Got my Warrior manicure and pedicure, loaded up with Warrior logo wear from Costco, got my Warrior car flag ready to fly, got my reservations, got my TG shooping list, got my appetite, got the afternoon off from work.

    READY to CHEER for our WARRIORS!

    Praying for the Ohana and wishing you all a Blessed Day!

  47. haka August 31, 2010 6:30 am

    Go Warriors!

    Beat USC!

    You gotta love haka!

  48. haka August 31, 2010 6:30 am

    …da haka!


  49. haka August 31, 2010 6:32 am

    Let’s go Liz!

    Let’s go Liz!

    Let’s go Liz!

  50. Ronnie August 31, 2010 6:55 am

    I think they should make a commercial starring Liz!

    Warrior manicure and pedicure? Check!

    Warrior logo wear from Costco? Check!

    Warrior car flag? Check!

    Plane Ticket to Honolulu? Check!

    Tsaiko-gate shopping list? Check!

    Afternoon off from work? Check!

    Ready to cheer my boys on to a stunning upset? CHECK!!!!

    I can just picture it now!!!


  51. whitey August 31, 2010 7:01 am

    Good morning Tsaikos. Is that rumbling sound I hear the start of an eruption at Aloha Stadium????

  52. whitey August 31, 2010 7:03 am

    JackFlash, you had me worried for a little while. I thought you were talking about my Thursday golf gang. hahahahahahaaaha

  53. whitey August 31, 2010 7:03 am

    know that d1 went ho hi already, so going do the same.

  54. OGGIE August 31, 2010 7:25 am

    Do you really think the best players play???? Really? I beg to differ – go to a practice see how well some of the underclassmen do or some of the upperclassmen don’t do and still play due to the state they are from, what players the coach likes etc. It is called Politics, hence why Salas is now on punt returns. Why take the chance? Craziness.

  55. Canons and Beaches August 31, 2010 7:42 am

    I’m really to be finally posting online after all these years. There really is no mystery about it, is there? I just dropped by your blog and had to write something. I’m a recent college grad, journalism major if you must know, and I absolutely love photography. I’ve got my website up but it’s nothing to boast about yet. None of my stuff’s been posted. Soon as I figure out how to do that, I’ll spend the afternoon posting my best pictures. anyways just thought I’d drop a line. I hope to return with more substantial stuff, stuff you can actually use. SPG

  56. Garret August 31, 2010 7:42 am

    It looks like the Pac-12 is set on a 9-game conference schedule–that is too bad because it reduces the number of nonconference games they have available, especially since they have some scheduling plans with the Big 12.

    According to those same sources, the current “lean” — and that’s all it is right now — is to split the league in a North/South manner with all four California schools together in the South with the Arizonas.

    A nine-game conference season is a lock.

  57. Kekoa (iPhone) August 31, 2010 7:44 am

    Ronnie ~ I have a very short game day list…

    1. Open new can of *WhoopA$$!*

    2. Spread contents over entire USC bench, and enjoy the resultz!

  58. Garret August 31, 2010 7:45 am

    I never thought that I’d see a NFL player have his *hair* insured for $1 million…this is really just a publicity stunt because there is no chance that Polamalu will lose 66% of his hair all of a sudden (hair cuts not allowed).

    If you’re a shampoo brand, there’s no better endorser than Pittsburgh Steelers safety Troy Polamalu, whose long Samoan locks flow out of his helmet.

    But Head & Shoulders, which has a deal with Polamalu, has taken things a step further. The Procter & Gamble brand announced Monday it would be insuring Polamalu’s hair for $1 million through Lloyd’s of London.

  59. Garret August 31, 2010 7:47 am

    I just heard that my brother-in-law is being told to take off work so that he can pick up his kids and take them to their different activities, so my parents will be able to tailgate on Thursday. I’ve heard that pan lau lau will make an appearance and wish I could be there for it!

  60. (Jesse) James August 31, 2010 8:00 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos…

    Salas returning punts??? Hmmmm…interesting. I would like to see someone else doing that but if he is the best than go for it….

    Two more days until the T-Gate….excitement is in the air….

    Warriors need to open up a can of Whoop A%$ and take it to the Trojans. We once again have the chip on our shoulder that we need to knock off and make everyone take notice.

    Just a reminder to everyone about the T-Gate…if you are bringing stuff to grill, please bring it to us by 1:30 or so. We need to allow time to clean up and stuff as well as talk story soooo….

    Prayers for Wafan’s mom!!!!

  61. Dennis Halloran August 31, 2010 8:05 am

    Ronnie, I have a scheduled visit from the termite man10~12 on Thursday, but I will try to mark Cali Call

    Thx, dennis

  62. al August 31, 2010 8:10 am

    oh wow, oh wow.

    got pan lau lau.

    life is good

    like it should.

    oh and glad mr./mrs. momo could make it.

    they have the gentlest and kindest smiles.

  63. CoolEthan August 31, 2010 8:15 am

    Guys that are worried about Salas returning punts?

    No worries, trust the coaches

  64. al August 31, 2010 8:15 am

    lest we forget…greg salas did return 5 punts last year for an average of 11.4 yds each with the long of 32.

    of course if the game were out of reach i did put ryan henry or sampson back there.

  65. chopsueyboy August 31, 2010 8:18 am


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    My parents were the original owners.

    By any chance, do you have any family photos that shows

    the logo dishes of Tasty Chop Suey? We’re trying to gather

    items for an exhibit at the Smithsonian Institute showing how

    chinese restaurants in New York, San Francisco, and Honolulu

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  66. kev-1 August 31, 2010 8:23 am

    I think Salas is a good enough reciever to get an NFL look. It’s foolish to put him back there on punts. He is our best offensive player on the team. Why risk it? Isn’t there some Sampson kid that is supposed to be really fast and shifty?

    What’s up btw. Occasionally post on the other side, but read you guys all the time. Good ohana vibe over here.

  67. mctruck August 31, 2010 8:30 am

    I guess if BTU does not declare/announce anything about going independent then it’s more or less a given that they’ll remain in the MWC????, what’s say, Garret?

  68. mctruck August 31, 2010 8:31 am

    BTU???…WOW!!!, am I awake yet-o-what???

  69. CoolEthan August 31, 2010 8:31 am

    Whatever worked for D.Bess is working.

    nothing broke.

    Was good for him to get that kick returning experience. Helps with quick decision making and confidence.

    Keep on doing it.

  70. kev-1 August 31, 2010 8:33 am

    Ronnie: This was a good one!

    “I think they should make a commercial starring Liz!

    Warrior manicure and pedicure? Check!

    Warrior logo wear from Costco? Check!

    Warrior car flag? Check!

    Plane Ticket to Honolulu? Check!

    Tsaiko-gate shopping list? Check!

    Afternoon off from work? Check!

    Ready to cheer my boys on to a stunning upset? CHECK!!!!”

    Another version could be like those Amer. Express commercials . . .

    Getting a warrior manicure and pedicure . . . $40

    Buying your Warrior logo wear from Costco . . . $50

    Warrior car flag . . . $15

    Plane ticket to Honolulu . . . $100

    Watching UH upset USC in the season opener . . . PRICELESS

    (please excuse my prices . . . just made them up)

    Go Warriors!

  71. Slugger August 31, 2010 8:35 am

    Goooood morning!!!

    ST ~ Thanks for the football notes. Really miss seeing what’s up at practice. Salas at punt return…hmmmm….

    Going to the T-Gate? I’ll be bringing some ‘promotional’ items for the Softball booster club fund-raising effort. (I know, this is a football game… :)) If you can help, please bring some kala.

    UKU@LA ~ Hey! See you there!

    Ronnie ~ Hope you have a good mini-CC in SoCal.

  72. RoyGBivs [Terence Twk Wong] August 31, 2010 8:35 am

    I dont think Salas should be punt returning!! He’s our best receiver and shouldn’t there. Have someone else there….

  73. Da Punchbowl Kid August 31, 2010 8:40 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂

    Two more days gangeez, two more days!

    I hope that Austin and the O-line will qucikly turn that question mark into an exclamation point!


    BEAT USC!!!


    BEAT USC!!!


    BEAT USC!!!

  74. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 8:43 am





  75. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 8:44 am

    wanna get fired up? just watch last night’s news and hear from all the players dying for thursday’s game to start.

  76. BG August 31, 2010 8:48 am

    Good morning Everyone! As excited as a little keed waiting for Christmas morning!

    Welcome kev-1…all kinds of flavor here! Just settle in and take your pick…

    Prayers said for Wafan’s mom…and continuing prayers for Kea and Hawaiianbod.

  77. gigi-hawaii August 31, 2010 8:56 am

    I am gonna bake a spice cake now — but will keep an eye on this blog. Sure wish I could make it to the TG on Thursday, but I have to babysit my little grandson. Plus have my sofa fixed.

  78. RoyGBivs [Terence Twk Wong] August 31, 2010 8:57 am

    How could I get a shirt???

  79. Ronnie August 31, 2010 8:58 am

    kev-1 – I like it!

  80. CoolEthan August 31, 2010 9:09 am

    Salas gonna take a punt return to da Hale.

    He’s the magic man.

    Doing the shake n bake

    Then everyone will be cheering.

  81. BG August 31, 2010 9:09 am

    Thursday’s T-gate is gonna be a major 2010 event…can just feel the excitement building! Lots of new faces showing up means more fuud!

    Been missing SJ and Myki, North Shore Fan, Big Hilo, A-Sports, 808Fan, Jam and Brie, et al. Time to get on the Warrior Train…where they serve a pre-game cosmopolitan menu and delicious hot and cold beverages!

  82. Not an Expert August 31, 2010 9:22 am

    Base on conference shuffeling and the need for Mack to win, play the best you have and hope these players make an impact. Redshirting not an option if these players can help Hawaii win this year.

  83. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 9:25 am

    (((HUGS))) to all.

    Especially wafan’s mom and the ohana. FAST and COMPLETE Healing!

    And special thoughts to the 2 Rodrigues Tsai-ko ohana groups…

    Great news about Momo and Mrs Momo and, oh yeah, the pan laulau… 😎

    Ronnie- you too funny.

    Thanks to MFT Abe-50 for not coming on this trip (get well soon) so that I don’t have ANY conflicts of cheering interests!

    LK- you stay? RoyGBivs needs a nametag… and, me too… I cannot find mine anywhere!

    Shirt people- RoyGBivs wears XL.

    Ok, gotta hiho

  84. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 9:27 am

    Oh yeah- UKU@LA… isn’t it awesome that your fave restaurant has a Tsai-ko connection???

    A Hui (hi) Hou!

  85. BG August 31, 2010 9:27 am

    Huge Mahalos to Sailor Blue for using his active duty status to reserve the t-gate spots. Support the t-gates and make a small donation on game day to defray the cost of the site. It costs $100/game to rent our space. With 40-50 people there, it should not take much to cover the cost.

    Out T-gate line-up is “stout” and lightning fast with the chopsticks. Absolutely vicious jostling for position in the buffet line! And we always come up winnahs! National title fo’ shuah.

  86. tommui August 31, 2010 9:28 am

    Good morning Hawaii!

    Talked to SJ last night and anxious to attend T-Gate and his cooking.

    Then I remembered my wife has cataract surgery Thursday.

    Guess I won’t get to sample pan lau lau! 🙁


  87. BG August 31, 2010 9:29 am

    Another season long mahalo to Kazz for being the t-gate coordinator. Always does the job and does it to a high standard.

  88. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc August 31, 2010 9:29 am

    Don’t forget to bring your HI-5 cans & bottles from home. We’ll be handling the recycling with the proceeds for the seven games going as follows:

    September 2 – Football program/summer school scholarships

    September 25 – Wahine Volleyball/summer school scholarships

    October 2 – Men’s Basketball/Coach Gib’s decision

    October 16 – Wahine Basketball/Coach Dana’s decision

    October 30 – Men’s Volleyball/Post-game meals

    November 20 – Wahine Softball/Coach Bob’s decision

    December 4 – Baseball program/Coach Trap’s decision

    December 24 – Tsai-ko drawing to select which program gets the $$$$

  89. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 9:29 am

    Against a team like USC? I’d want the guy with the surest hands receiving punts… who would that be?

  90. BG August 31, 2010 9:33 am

    OK, my time allotment on the blog is pau for the morning. Gotta do things around the house, go shopping, and hit the books hard to make up for going missing ALL thursday!

    Be back much later…


  91. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 9:33 am


    tommui- prayers for your wife… will miss you!

  92. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 9:42 am

    REAL credit goes to Sailor Blue for securing the sites needed for this season.

  93. LK August 31, 2010 10:03 am


    Already had your tag done, will try to fulfill name tag requests for Tsai-kos attending this weeks tailgate.

    Maybe someone going early enough can offer to pick them up on Wednesday.

    I might not make it in time for the game, it’s a school day and “J” doesn’t get out ’till 2:45.

  94. al August 31, 2010 10:08 am

    tom…you don’t want to miss out on the pan lau lau.

    just have the wife call 4tutu-4tututu.

  95. al August 31, 2010 10:10 am

    gigi…are you dropping off the spice cake?

    btw, michelle wie has been wearing pink on the last round for years now. something borrowed from the tiger.

  96. al August 31, 2010 10:12 am

    what a difference a coach makes…for joe moore anyway. remember how upset he was when jj dropped the rainbow from the nickname. well, the other night he predicted that hawaii would beat usc by 4.

  97. Devin the Cars Guy August 31, 2010 10:13 am

    Terrific, that’s just what I was looking for! You just spared me alot of digging around

  98. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 10:14 am

    LK- MAHALO!!! Aigoo- you no can come to da game and TG aftah? (hugs to da ohana, tho).

  99. Bantayan Hotels August 31, 2010 10:21 am

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  100. Bulla August 31, 2010 10:22 am


  101. Steve August 31, 2010 10:25 am


    If Michelle Wie and Paula Creamer were ever grouped together the last day, it would seem like it was breast cancer awareness day on the course. #95

  102. al August 31, 2010 10:29 am

    i heard that michelle and paula kissed and made up. thought i heard that they could be seen on tour carousing together?

  103. Dan-O August 31, 2010 10:30 am

    Not a fan of Salas returning punts either…but as Rodney Bradley proved, you can get hurt on even the most basic receiver plays.

    Salas is much like ND’s Rocket Ismail…who was ND’s best player. Lou Holtz wanted him touching the ball as much as possible, so Rocket returned punts, kick offs, played receiver, slot….and even running back in some formations.

    Bottom line….good things usually happen when Salas has the ball in his hands.

  104. RainbowCliff August 31, 2010 10:32 am

    Salas receiving punts against USC special teams is taking a GREAT risk against some fast young men who are skilled with speed, jumpers, athletic and LOVE to tackle with hurting you in mind !

    I am SURPRISE that Coach McMackin will approve as getting away with it against WAC opponents is one thing but to try your “best player” at this position when you have other sure handed reserves who can fill that position is really “rolling the dice” !

    USC specail teams are very good and they are taught to travel the field with speed and “ZERO” in on the ball carrier with one thing in mind to contain and “PUNISH” you quickly and serverly !

    With ONE big hit on Salas it will be WISE to relinquish his short punting career !

  105. al August 31, 2010 10:32 am

    i hear that our most improved unit this year will be our defense this from insiders and current players.

    yah, i know that the offense gets a lot of hype what with all those weapons..

  106. al August 31, 2010 10:35 am

    salas, we must remember is not a little guy. 6’2″/210 lbs with 4.55 speed and he rarely takes a direct hit.

  107. SteveM August 31, 2010 10:35 am

    Good morning everyone!

    Now you folks have me smelling the smokey aroma from the goodies on the tailgate grill…

  108. Bulla August 31, 2010 10:36 am


    i only worry about the depth factor. also, curious how Haku is handling the situation with Tuipolotu moving to the 1st team…..i was a little shocked, but all is fair in love and war

  109. Bulla August 31, 2010 10:36 am


    Don’t forget the patis for the tailgate, heard there might be some ‘surprises’ being delivered….arggggh.

  110. NCAA August 31, 2010 10:36 am

    With ONE big hit on Salas it will be WISE to relinquish his short punting career !

    Mr. Salas is a punter?

  111. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 10:39 am




    Please e-mail me at tsaikotailgate (at) gmail (dot) com for the proper information.

    -Anyone that already knows, please pass this along to other regulars you may see in person.

  112. al August 31, 2010 10:41 am

    what happened to david hafoka?

  113. al August 31, 2010 10:46 am

    oops…okay he is on the roster. our young dline of last year is year older, wiser, stronger. really looking forward to see kamalu umu in action, after all he beat out purcell who started last year.

  114. female freestyle raps August 31, 2010 10:46 am

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  115. Slugger August 31, 2010 10:46 am

    RoyGBivs [Terence Twk Wong],

    If you want a UH shirt, come to the T-Gate. I’ll have some ‘vintage’ UH shirts that the Softball Booster club is providing for a small donation to support Na Wahine. XL supply is limited; first come, first served.

    (J)J might have some old Tsaiko t-shirts left. Jamie, maybe you should bring the ones you have.

  116. Slugger August 31, 2010 10:48 am


    I met David Hafoka after the last open practice. He’s still there, but don’t know where he is in the depth chart.

  117. al August 31, 2010 10:50 am

    yeah bulla was concerned too about correa. but, as it is the dline rotates every two plays or so. a lot of big bodies this year with hanohano, correa, hafoka, masch, on the inside.

    aside from paipai we may have one of the shorter lb’er crews with paredes and gdl below 5’11” and add aaron brown at 5’11”-6’0″. but, i keep telling myself that mike singletary a future hall of famer was only 5’9″.

  118. al August 31, 2010 10:52 am

    hafoka and masch represent the third wave.

  119. tommui August 31, 2010 10:54 am

    AL: re #94

    We have been married for 49-years. Would like to be around for the 50th!

    (Actually she said I should go for the T-Gate)

  120. A-House August 31, 2010 11:00 am


    Where is you shop located?

  121. Slugger August 31, 2010 11:01 am

    Mahalos to Sailor Blue, BG, Kazz & the grill crew for keeping the T-Gate organized and going. Looking forward to seeing everyone. Saw Sailor Blue & the Mrs. at the WVB game. It’s game time! for more than football…


    GO BOWS!!!

    GO WAHINE!!!

  122. hakaboy August 31, 2010 11:01 am


    Can someone get lyrics to the haka displayed on the jumbotron? It would be absolutely nuts if fans can chant along with the warriors!

  123. (Jesse) James August 31, 2010 11:03 am

    Slugger I’ll bring what I have…I think only smalls left….Still trying to find Warrior Green shirts for the next run and new design..hard color to find….sheesh…hopefully by next home game…. 🙁

    Kazz…check your e-mail. Question about Thursday from grilling crew….Thanks.

  124. jm2375 August 31, 2010 11:04 am

    Good morning Tsai-kos!

    Heard on the radio this am that Jack-in-the-Box will have “Throwback Jacks” starting Thursday. Just like Warrior Jack but with a 70’s era helmet. Free with purchase of value meal. 😀 Looks like Kazz will be eating there a lot.


  125. Slugger August 31, 2010 11:04 am


    Take care of the Mrs. Hope she recovers quickly. See you at another T-Gate?

    Time to re-do the cabling to plug in the digital cable box…

    Esme & out…

  126. OldDiver August 31, 2010 11:09 am

    Mike Singletary 5’9″, who would have thought. He played big. Which do people here see as more dangerous, kick off returner or punt returner? One more thing, I know USC is filled with All American’s but I’m guessing in the morning they put on their pants the same way ST does.

  127. d1島 August 31, 2010 11:12 am

    …not even gonna ask how OldDiver knows how the Blog Host dresses in the morning! 😈

  128. d1島 August 31, 2010 11:12 am

    Any practice updates?

  129. NYUH August 31, 2010 11:13 am

    A believer….

    The Hawaii Warriors should and WILL beat the No. 14-ranked USC Trojans. Don’t ask me why. I just have that feeling. There are a couple of things working in favor of the Warriors, which is rare when you’re considering the team that’s playing them is the USC Trojans.

  130. Garret August 31, 2010 11:17 am

    Wow, the NCAA will apparently not let Masoli play this season…getting this news so close to the start of the season has to completely mess up Mississippi’s plans.

    Surprised to hear the NCAA has denied Jeremiah Masoli’e eligibilty. Ole Miss is appealing. Tough to take that big pub hit & come up empty.

  131. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 11:26 am


    jm2375: oooh… I like one… gotta be the RAINBOW helmets. yah???

    Warrior Jack is Back!!!

  132. jm2375 August 31, 2010 11:29 am

    LizK – they said they order 120,000 this year, up from 100,000. Wonder how many the Tsai-kos will get? Half? 😀

  133. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 11:32 am

    #132 – for sure… wish Jack was on Kauai, though!

  134. al August 31, 2010 11:35 am

    tom…you should be concerned about post surgery vision improvements. don’t be surprised if your boss turns to see you for the first time and screams!

    “waaahhh! is that what you look like these days!???”

  135. al August 31, 2010 11:35 am

    olddiver…you mean usc players put their pants on backwards, too?

  136. OldDiver August 31, 2010 11:38 am


    I’m not a fan of Oregon, Mississippi or Masoli, but it seems this kid needs to be in school playing football to stay out of trouble. It seems no one is complaining about him being at OleMiss except the NCAA.

  137. OldDiver August 31, 2010 11:39 am


    I was trying to make a joke, backwards? Really?

  138. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 11:43 am


    I’m still confused… I thought Mrs. Tsai wore the pants in their household? hmmm…

  139. al August 31, 2010 11:46 am

    olddiver…masoli is a changed man these days. he reminds me of the turnaround that pisa tinoisamoa and davone bess experienced.

    a close source is monitoring his situation right now to see if those reports are in fact true. he was running the new system as the no. 1 qb up to yesterday afternoon. the folks at ole miss love him.

  140. al August 31, 2010 11:47 am

    mih….shhh. don’t tell stephen.

  141. curveball August 31, 2010 11:51 am

    Interesting story on Masoli at Mississippi……….

  142. OldDiver August 31, 2010 11:52 am

    Glad to hear that al, sometimes you have to wonder where the NCAA’s priorities are.

  143. HNL August 31, 2010 11:54 am

    Good morning, or whats left of it anyway. 2 musubis away from game day. I have a question, does anybody have direct t.v.? and how is it? do you get the Hawaii games or is that still pay per view?

  144. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 11:54 am

    HAWAII against the world, not the USC against the world.

    It’s quite laughable to think that the mighty USC has their “backs against the wall” this season.

    What do they have to lose? A bowl game? A potential National Title? This program has the money to ensure that these temporary losses can be made up in following years. It’s a joke and a mockery of our own situation.

    It’s August 31st and while we approach one football season, the future still remains unknown not just for UH football, but all of UH athletics. At least USC’s programs have a home in the PAC 10, 12, whatever.

    At least USC has the fan and filthy rich booster support needed to maintain for decades to come.

    What do we have? We have a Star Advertiser poll that noted 25% of voters are the only ones willing to come to a home game in Halawa to support the Warriors.

    The WARRIORS have their backs against the wall and despite the sanctions and whatnot, USC will still fight on because they can afford to.

    For all those still balking on supporting our teams this season, I say put down your parlay sheets, put down your copy of MMA weekly, and get out and support HAWAII.

  145. homey ℞ August 31, 2010 11:59 am

    Back to the t-gate…bringing the same old artery busting meat and some raw looking aphrodisiac.

    MLiz – Need any refreshments?

    Bulla – No need patis

    Go Warriors!

  146. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 12:00 pm

    The NCAA’s priorities are clearly defined in their SILENT stance about conference re-alignment and the subsequent damage being inflicted financially to the schools that are not within certain criteria that meets the selfish needs of greedy conference members.

    It’s a dog-eat-dog situation amongst conferences that the conferences themselves created.

    The NCAA has NO control when it is needed the most in dire situations for a lot of institutions that serve the student athletes.

    The NCAA has shown that they are nothing but COWARDS in this particular instance.

  147. ezhawaiian August 31, 2010 12:04 pm

    HAWAII against the world, not the USC against the world.

    It’s quite laughable to think that the mighty USC has their “backs against the wall” this season.

    What do they have to lose? A bowl game? A potential National Title? This program has the money to ensure that these temporary losses can be made up in following years. It’s a joke and a mockery of our own situation.

    It’s August 31st and while we approach one football season, the future still remains unknown not just for UH football, but all of UH athletics. At least USC’s programs have a home in the PAC 10, 12, whatever.

    At least USC has the fan and filthy rich booster support needed to maintain for decades to come.

    What do we have? We have a Star Advertiser poll that noted 25% of voters are the only ones willing to come to a home game in Halawa to support the Warriors.

    The WARRIORS have their backs against the wall and despite the sanctions and whatnot, USC will still fight on because they can afford to.

    For all those still balking on supporting our teams this season, I say put down your parlay sheets, put down your copy of MMA weekly, and get out and support HAWAII.


    In fact, i’m willing to let the UH use my Inflatable Warrior for the opening game!! my shipment doesn’t come in for 8 days (slow boat from China)…so since i have the ONLY one for now, i’d like the University to use it for AT LEAST the opening game FREE, no charge, nothing!!!!!! i support the WARRIORS 110%! KICK SOME TROJAN A–!!!!

    i’ll be there….hoping this “Warrior” i have will give them the “Mana” to show and shock the world!!! UH can do it, i just feel it, i’m not an overconfident “homer”, i just FEEL IT!! whaddya think!!

  148. chopsueyboy August 31, 2010 12:12 pm

    “Throwback Jack” Retro Antenna Balls Available Thursday At Jack In The Box

  149. Big Al August 31, 2010 12:13 pm

    coach mac why is ikaika mahoe not there in the D lineman rotation he is one of the best d lineman you have coach mac . open your eyes coach mac warriors goodluck this football season . Go warriors i smell and upset coming 31 to 27 warriors win

  150. ezhawaiian August 31, 2010 12:13 pm


  151. chopsueyboy August 31, 2010 12:14 pm

    DVR set for Thursday’s game, excited to watch replay of our victory after seeing history live

  152. sjmacro August 31, 2010 12:16 pm

    re : #93 LK & LizK: we can pick up the name tags tomorrow since we’re just up the street.–sj

  153. free music notation August 31, 2010 12:16 pm

    Great work.Really appreciable!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks a lot.

  154. lambert August 31, 2010 12:21 pm

    go warriors play hard shock the world on thursday night on espn primetime

  155. free music notation August 31, 2010 12:28 pm

    i read your article and loave it so much ,thank you so much.

  156. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 12:32 pm

    #145 – yes, pls. to go along with something raw that I have to fight with Rob25 over… 😈


  157. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 12:32 pm

    #152- Mahalo, sj!

  158. koakane™ August 31, 2010 12:33 pm

    breaking news

    BYU going independent in football and joing Big West and not the WAC

  159. Kaimuki Kid August 31, 2010 12:34 pm


    You can pick up your retro-Jack at the Jack in the Box at Stadium Mall on Thursday located on the other side of the stadium, where Ice Palace is. I’m sure that they will have it for sale like last year. I think it was $1.98 I’m sure that someone would be wiulling to drive over if it is early enough or Jack is open 24/7 so you could possiblily stop after the game….

  160. koakane™ August 31, 2010 12:34 pm

    announcement from BYU going to be made either this afternoon or evening

  161. koakane™ August 31, 2010 12:35 pm

    e kala mai BYU going west coast conference

  162. Kazz blogging via DROID X August 31, 2010 12:37 pm

    Re: BYU.

    What’s next on our option list?

  163. Garret August 31, 2010 12:40 pm

    Salt Lake Tribune on BYU going Indy/WCC:

    ESPN on BYU going Indy/WCC:

  164. Garret August 31, 2010 12:43 pm

    Mercury News article:

    It’s done, and it’s huge.

    Brigham Young will become a football independent and join the WCC in all other sports, the Mercury News has learned.

    It’s impossible to overstate the significance of this development for the eight-school WCC, which is about to begin renegotiating its ESPN contract.

  165. Kazz blogging via DROID X August 31, 2010 12:43 pm

    Interesting. BYU has softball and the WCC does not sponsor that sport.

  166. Garret August 31, 2010 12:44 pm

    Was men’s basketball the difference? ESPN wanted BYU in the WCC because it has better men’s basketball teams? I’ll bet that ESPN will hype Gonzaga vs. BYU in men’s basketball games.

    As I see it, the WCC had several advantages:

    * It’s faith-based schools take a similar approach to the role of faith (yes, it’s a different faith) and education as BYU.

    * It offers higher-quality men’s basketball than the WAC, due mostly to the presence of Gonzaga.

    * Travel costs are more reasonable than the WAC’s.

    * ESPN, which is expected to be heavily involved in broadcasting BYU football, feels much better about the WCC than the WAC — again: due to men’s basketball.

  167. d1島 August 31, 2010 12:44 pm

    We Loave you, too!

    …bet jmxxxx has seen some of your signs!

  168. HawaiiMongoose August 31, 2010 12:45 pm

    BYU’s exit will leave the MWC at ten teams. They could stay at ten, or choose to expand to twelve. Would they consider Hawaii as the final school in a six-team western division? I don’t know but I hope Jim Donovan is on the phone to Craig Thompson right now to ask.

  169. RainbowCliff August 31, 2010 12:45 pm

    #106 Al: Salas for all that you say he is has impressive stats BUT

    he and the other Warriors will find out QUICKLY how USC speed at

    ALL positions will be the defining measure.

    Trojans D-line you have not seen BIG HOGS like them before as Georgia come close.

    Players are fast and can get to the ball carrier and quarterback faster then you can say

    “grease lightning” as Hawaii offensive line is the KEY to the entire game.

    The difference of the game by ALL media coverage here in LA will be “USC speed

    will be overwealming for Hawaii to match up” as the Warriors will play hard, hit

    hard and fight to the bitter end but talent over heart the Trojans are far superior

    up and down their probationary depleted roster !

  170. koakane™ August 31, 2010 12:46 pm

    interesting now to see what UH has as options. WAC looking really dismal now.

    stay tuned to see if any word comes from JD or any UH admin.

    story breaking on the buy out no longer in effect for FSU and USU. getting off scott free.

  171. BigIslandkurt August 31, 2010 12:49 pm

    So does that means UH joins the WCC and goes indy in football too?


  172. Stretch August 31, 2010 12:50 pm

    I wonder if the BYU vs Hawaii football games will still happen??

  173. Garret August 31, 2010 12:52 pm

    Bess returned punts at UH. Owens returned punts at UH. Were they significantly less valuable to their teams than Salas?

    My preference is for the best players to play. I worry about injuries and fatigue, but UH averaged 1 and 3/4 punt returns per game last season. That is less than 2 touches per game for the punt returner! Should UH throw less to Salas because they are worried he’ll get hurt?

    I’ve criticized decisions when I thought it deserved criticism. This decision I support if the coaches think that Salas is the best punt returner on the team.

  174. koakane™ August 31, 2010 12:52 pm

    BYU out of the picture, UH need to focus on some plan that ensures warriors best interest .

    Much discussion of raiding other conferences but doesn’t look like a very popular way to go.

  175. Garret August 31, 2010 12:54 pm


    UH is *not* an option for the WCC…no public University is. The Big West is a good fit for UH if UH goes independent, and they seem interested in their public comments. We know that JD talked with both the WCC and Big West and JD therefore knows that the Big West is the option for UH if UH goes indy.

  176. Last Call August 31, 2010 12:56 pm

    And guess what JD is weighing options.

  177. Garret August 31, 2010 12:56 pm

    Now is the time for JD to sign BYU to a 10-year football deal. BYU will need to fill up their schedule and UH will be happy to help!

  178. Last Call August 31, 2010 1:00 pm

    And if any of of think the MWC will expand to 12 and invite UH you live in a dream world.

  179. Ronnie August 31, 2010 1:02 pm

    USU to MWC to cover Utah market?

  180. Kelle Windly August 31, 2010 1:02 pm

    Inception plus 10,000 more movies online free!

  181. Ronnie August 31, 2010 1:06 pm


    Are you going to be able to make it on Thursday?

  182. Garret August 31, 2010 1:06 pm


    USU is a rumor that is going on, but it appears that losing BYU and Utah will result in Comcast using their out clause in the MWC’s TV contract. The MWC might not expand until Comcast indicates if they need a presence in Utah or if it would be more beneficial to get teams in Texas.

  183. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 1:08 pm


    Ralph just alerted me via text that BYU also has about three other sports (swimming, track, and gymnastics) in addition to softball that the WCC does not sponsor at all.

    But I guess according to that BYU football player, “who cares” right? It’s all football ONLY right? 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄

  184. Garret August 31, 2010 1:08 pm


    I think I replied to the e-mail about the Calf Call that I couldn’t make it on Thursday. I said that I could do weekends but I cannot take that many hours away from the work day now. Plus, Lori and I are sharing 1 car now (I don’t need a car since I just work from home) so if I am gone that long she has no car to pick up the kids and run errands.

    I wish I could be there! Hopefully I can get together with the SoCal folks soon.

  185. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 1:09 pm

    I loved ‘Inception”, but not enough to click on SPAM. 😆

  186. Last Call August 31, 2010 1:09 pm

    Official Statement from BYU

  187. Garret August 31, 2010 1:12 pm


    It will be easy for BYU to place their other teams in another conference. The Big West would probably take them. If any of those teams ends up playing in the Big 12, it could be an indication that BYU won’t be an independent for long.

  188. HawaiiMongoose August 31, 2010 1:13 pm

    Re #178, I think the chances of a MWC invite for Hawaii are still very small, maybe one in ten. But the chances were zero an hour ago. Can’t hurt to inquire.

  189. Last Call August 31, 2010 1:14 pm

    Mr. Peanut blew it for the WAC when he spilled the beans to Conf. USA who told the MWC who acted quickly in stealing FSU and Nevada who betrayed the WAC.

    Looking for someone to blame he resides in Colorado Springs.

  190. Pomai August 31, 2010 1:20 pm

    What really is the pits is that ESPN is involved with this and other conference realignment, it seems wrong to me that they have any thing to do with it. Again where the heck is the NCAA, instead of worrying about some QB in Miss. start to worry about thousand’s of student athletes who may just have been screwed once again be the money changers.

  191. d1島 August 31, 2010 1:23 pm


    NCAA < College Presidents + ESPN

  192. Bulla August 31, 2010 1:26 pm

    now that BYU has dropped the proverbial ‘hammer’, what next?

  193. kev-1 August 31, 2010 1:29 pm

    ??????????? Healthcare? Losing weight? Drinking water? Not really beginning of the football season talk. I’m looking forward to eating a lot at tailgates (or at home) and drinking beer, not water. Is this an errant post?

  194. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 1:30 pm

    kev-1: we are being bombarded with spam posts.

    The S-A staff needs to figure out their filters…

  195. Pomai August 31, 2010 1:30 pm

    Ah poop I’m tired of all this manure, I think I’ll watch UH take on Arizona in the Hawaii Bowl, I think they really have a chance. LOL

  196. Stephen Tsai August 31, 2010 1:32 pm

    I think it’s transparent and honorable to notify conferences that you’re poaching their teams. Not sure, though, why you’d notify Conference USA but not the Mountain West.

  197. d1島 August 31, 2010 1:33 pm


    I’ll post this again from yesterday just for you….

    Several studies have suggested moderate drinking improves heart health, circulation and sociability, especially red wine. Although heavy drinking is associated with higher risk of disease, including cancer, it also is believed to increase social interaction, which reported is vital for mental and physical health. This, consequently, makes them less likely to die than non-drinkers, who are more likely to suffer depression.

  198. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 1:34 pm

    Honor has no place in the world of college athletic business as apparent in the past month.

    They all have that “cut someone else’s throat and keep walking” mentality.

    Then the NCAA whistles and looks the other way… COWARDS.

  199. Last Call August 31, 2010 1:35 pm

    I can tell you what is next for me,I’m exercising MY option. The checkbook is officially closed until UH gives me something that I’m willing to invest in.

    I’m done with the WAC . This crap has gone on long enough and I refuse to be part of rehabilitating the WAC for the third time.

    Peace Out.

  200. Bulla August 31, 2010 1:35 pm

    #190 Pomai,

    I agree with you brother, there is a lot more to this picture than meets the eye, and you are absolutely right….the student athlete is the one who will suffer.

  201. Garret August 31, 2010 1:36 pm


    Karl Benson was trying to trade La Tech for UTEP…he had to discuss that with the C-USA of course. Benson telling the C-USA that BYU was joining the WAC for all non-football sports was not a great idea, but he did need to talk with C-USA about a trade.

  202. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 1:38 pm

    Last Call:

    August 31st, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I can tell you what is next for me,I’m exercising MY option. The checkbook is officially closed until UH gives me something that I’m willing to invest in.

    I’m done with the WAC . This crap has gone on long enough and I refuse to be part of rehabilitating the WAC for the third time.

    Peace Out.

    And another one slams the door on the student athletes at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

    That kind of attitude is not welcome anyway.


  203. cocobean August 31, 2010 1:41 pm

    Sign BYU to a long term home/home. Do the same with Fresno.

  204. Buffoman August 31, 2010 1:41 pm

    Pau. As tough as it may be, it really is time to focus on going the way of BYU, independent in football, find another home for the others. With that announcement I believe that USU will be asked to go to the MWC. Who knows when La Tech will jump, but really, what is there left on the table?

    Forget about the WAC coming back or an invite to the MWC. Not going to happen.

    Pau, move on already.

  205. greenthumb August 31, 2010 1:42 pm

    #195, it’s the weird flavor of spam that is getting served lately; some of it is a little funny. Please, please someone say that the BYU news does not leave us in a worse situation than we were in yesterday? Also, does the WAC solidarity pact really have a all-promises-forgotten clause if BYU didn’t join the WAC?

  206. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 1:42 pm


    It’s pathetic.

    For us, there are so many fine young men and women that call themselves “Warriors” and “Rainbow Wahine”.

    They have represented UH and Hawaii well on the field and in the classroom and they are being treated like second-class citizens under the blanket of filth and greed that is conference re-alignment.

    Without our Warriors and Rainbow Wahine of the past, present, and future, then there are NO people like us that take pride in what they all do and when I say us, that means ALL of us. From the highest levels of the NCAA that profit off their blood, sweat, and tears to the average UH fan.

    We exist because they do.

  207. Garret August 31, 2010 1:43 pm


    Did you see the reports about how few Athletic Departments make money now and the *average* subsidy for a University is over $10 million per year? One MAJOR reason for that is Title IX, which is something that I know that you support because without it we wouldn’t have teams like UH’s softball team.

    However, college athletics may not be sustainable financially for many schools if they have to subsidize sports like softball. Scholarships, coaches, travel, all costs money and you have teams that bring in $0 in revenue while spending a lot. It isn’t just UH that was bleeding money–many Pac-10, Big 12, MWC, etc. schools were losing a ton, so they are needing to significantly increase their revenue to survive financially.

    The option is to let schools cut out nonrevenue sports. If you force schools to keep all of their nonrevenue teams, then you *force* them to squeeze every last dollar they can out of TV and watch every penny of travel costs.

    You want the NCAA to do something? What if they allowed schools to reduce the number of teams they need to have to remain in D-IA? That is the obviously solution, make some nonrevenue sports the equivalent of club teams. Schools like UH cannot do that now because they would be dropped from D-IA.

    UH has awesome nonrevenue sports teams. Nonrevenue sports are the main reason why schools have to watch every penny, putting UH in a difficult position.

  208. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 1:45 pm

    Without BYU, what does USU have to offer the MWC? A filler school? Fodder for the likes of BSU, FSU, TCU, etc…???

    Again, USU has NOT done anything impressive in ANY of their sports other than men’s basketball. They sure as heck don’t carry a television market.

  209. greenthumb August 31, 2010 1:46 pm

    #201, Garret, and others … I guess I can see Benson’s logic. But couldn’t he also have had the people at C-USA sign a non-disclosure form about the BYU part? And like you said, why would he bring it up anyway? It’s not like telling C-USA that the WAC was recovering a little was going to be something C-USA was going to celebrate, right?

  210. Garret August 31, 2010 1:48 pm

    Please, please someone say that the BYU news does not leave us in a worse situation than we were in yesterday? Also, does the WAC solidarity pact really have a all-promises-forgotten clause if BYU didn’t join the WAC?


    BYU going independent is *much* better for UH than BYU staying in the MWC. If UH goes independent, BYU is an obvious team to play during the conference season part of the schedule. With BYU leaving the MWC, if the MWC loses more teams (what if C-USA does a raid now?) then the MWC and WAC might end up having to merge.

    Did anybody really think yesterday that BYU was still going to the WAC? I thought that best-case scenario was gone a long time ago.

  211. Bulla August 31, 2010 1:48 pm

    i probably am wrong but for sake of discussion i might be right….

    WAC makes a play for BYU, MWC counter strikes with offers to Nevada and Fresno State, however……it was planned from before as a contingency, as a ‘red herring’ if you will talking hypothetically with all parties involved. there is no way on this earth that it was the same day that BYU announced it’s ‘probable’ departure from MWC that the MWC initiated contact with Fresno State and Nevada. that is a lie, straight up, don’t insult our intelligence.

    The WAC got caught with their pants down, went with a hook and took a 1-2 combo to the chin….and now what…..just frustrating for everyone and especially the student-athletes at UH…..sad 🙁

  212. Garret August 31, 2010 1:50 pm


    The interesting thing is that both C-USA and the WAC have ESPN contracts. C-USA’s ESPN contract extension will be renegotiated in less than a year because it is coming to an end. So, having the WAC getting stronger was *not* good for C-USA…which does make telling the C-USA without any nondisclosure agreement pretty questionable by Karl Benson.

  213. Curt August 31, 2010 1:51 pm

    Without an invite from MWC, it’s looks simple:

    1. Go independent in football and the Big West for non-football sports.

    2. Stay with the WAC.

    I’m wondering what’s happening with the WAC? Karl Benson has been very silent lately.

  214. Seawalker August 31, 2010 1:53 pm

    BYU to join WCC… independent in football.

  215. greenthumb August 31, 2010 1:53 pm

    #210, thanks, Garret (sorry, wish I knew how to blockquote). I was thinking BYU independent in football and in Big West for other sports would be better news, and that BYU leaving would mean MWC would resume talks with USU b/c of the MWC’s TV network? Better news as in giving us immediate football scheduling opportunities, and either life-support for the last WAC teams or a decent scheduling chance if our football program went independent.

    To answer your question, no, after Benson tipped his hand, our family thought BYU to WAC wasn’t going to happen.

  216. Garret August 31, 2010 1:53 pm


    The *only* state where the mtn network is a huge success is Utah. The TV contract could be worded like the Big 10’s contract, where all a conference needs to do is have a team in that state to get the money. If so, that is a big selling point for Utah State.

    Of course, if the TV deal is killed due to BYU/Utah leaving, then Utah State has no negotiating power at all. They do have a good basketball team to sell and a football team that seems to be improving.

  217. Garret August 31, 2010 1:55 pm


    BYU is a better fit for the WCC and the WCC publicly campaigned for BYU while the Big West commissioner only talked about UH. I doubt that BYU wanted the Big West…though they probably would have talked with them if the WCC hadn’t been interested.

    I’ve already said that I want UH to go independent, so BYU going indy is good for that.

  218. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 1:57 pm

    Ok, re alcohol and depression, etc… I love it that one is free to drink or not drink alcohol to enjoy Tsai-ko social company!

    Get well soon, John Estes- now on IR!

  219. greenthumb August 31, 2010 2:02 pm

    #212 Garret, thank you. It is stretching logic to think that the WAC would not have been aware of the rival conferences’ telecast/broadcast contract durations. And so this information prompts questions that probably are not appropriate for me to type here.

  220. jm2375 August 31, 2010 2:03 pm

    Call the Coach tonight.

    Question – how much different is the game day routine when a game is on a weekday vs Saturday?

  221. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 2:04 pm

    My motivation and my opinions are not as superficial with relation or interest in ONE program.

    If I am spoiled from Title IX’s policy and intent then so be it.

    I grew up seeing the admiration we in Hawaii have for a program like the Rainbow Wahine volleyball program and it’s the closest thing I’ve seen to a loyal fan base in Hawaii that is truly about the sport and knows it like the back of their own hand.

    This is what I’ve known all my life, I’ve known no difference in between the value of a female volleyball, basketball, or softball player at the collegiate level and a male football player also at the college level.

    Asking someone like me to accept the financial implication our female student athletes are “killing” our university’s athletic department is contrary to when I see their contributions in many avenues outside of revenue. Not to mention the hundreds of student athletes (male and female) like them that shell out their own money for out of state and in state tuition at UHM that totals up to and over 2 million dollars for the university.

    I’m not going to be persuaded otherwise to think differently.

    My opinions are my own and are not up for negotiation or persuasion.

    If the NCAA’s stance on sitting back and watching some schools fall apart at the hands of other cannibalistic schools is justified, then that is the opinions of others.

    It’s 2010 and it’s sad this society of ours cannot find a solution for certain issues in which depriving young adults the chance to compete on a national level depends on finances based on a long history of unjustified gender bias.

    I’ve felt that college athletics is a privilege and not a right and I still believe that in the context of one’s behavior and academic standing to participate as regulated, but there is no way I agree with this statement in terms of what one’s sex is… but apparently many in this country do.

  222. OldDiver August 31, 2010 2:06 pm


    I agree that Title IX is the biggest factor for Athletic Departments being in the red. Nothing we or anyone else can do about that. What the NCAA can do is relax the minimum requirements for number of teams a athletic department must have. The role that ESPN has in matchup and schedule making further cements the notion that it’s not about the athlete anymore.

  223. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 2:07 pm

    Just realized that the Raiders are playing around the same time as the Warriors.

    Hope Colt gets a chance. They need to cut one more person to set their roster.

  224. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 2:07 pm


    A lot has transpired from silence.

    Still, we have seen what silence from the WAC translates to… 🙁

  225. A-House August 31, 2010 2:09 pm

    Hi LK:

    Can you make name tags for Momotaro and Committed Road Warrior.

    Let me know when ready and I will pick up at our location.


  226. OldDiver August 31, 2010 2:10 pm


    Well said.

  227. Bruddah Cuz August 31, 2010 2:11 pm

    I said befoa, UH, Vegas, SD St. will all be together in the end.

  228. Garret August 31, 2010 2:12 pm


    I have been keeping track of the different TV deals on my blog here:

    By the way, I made a nice summary of the TV deals for members of the Hawaii Legislature at their request. I’m assuming that UH already knew all of the TV details as well…it is easy to find.

  229. Steve August 31, 2010 2:17 pm

    People, did you not know that KB has more pressing things to do, like setting up reservations and all for his daughter so she can watch the game live, instead of worrying about the WAC. Also, JD is more concerned about watching his son’s football practice and games then what is more pressing.

  230. greenthumb August 31, 2010 2:18 pm

    #228 Garret, I look forward to reading the specifics in your blog after I patch the hole in my tongue caused by biting down too hard, trying to keep from saying out loud what I think of how our conference leader’s conversation with C-USA was handled. 🙁

  231. bb August 31, 2010 2:18 pm

    Is Mr. Benson in town yet?

  232. jm2375 August 31, 2010 2:24 pm

    bb – you mean he’s coming here and not going to DC?

  233. djmitcho August 31, 2010 2:26 pm

    “Throwback Jack”? Yes Please! Can someone get one for me please!

  234. Garret August 31, 2010 2:26 pm


    This was the information for last year:

    Big 10: $22 million per year

    SEC: $17.1 million per year, plus they make their own local TV deals so schools like Florida make well over $20 million per year.

    ACC: $12.9 million per year

    Big 12: Varies between $7 million and $12 million per year

    MWC: $1.3 million per year

    C-USA: $1 million per year

    WAC: $325k per year (UH is getting $75k more this year for the “inconvenience” of playing a game on a Thursday on ESPN)

    C-USA got a 15% raise less than a month ago for the CBS CS part of their contract and they have been in the middle of negotiations with ESPN for awhile now.

  235. RoyGBivs [Terence Twk Wong] August 31, 2010 2:26 pm

    here is goes… let the pieces fall. Hawaii should go, where…..

  236. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 2:28 pm

    For all the flack Jim Donovan has been getting, I think many of us here still have faith. It’s either that or we can wallow in despair.

    JD is a UH alum and a former student athlete himself. I view this situation as something personal for him as well as a business decision (whatever it will eventually be).

    That is just my outside view of things.

  237. kev-1 August 31, 2010 2:30 pm

    Steve: with all due respect, these men have parental responsibilities too. I think it a bit unfair to question the attention they pay to their children. I am sure they are not neglecting their responsibilities to their respective jobs becuase of their children. It is easy to say that they should be doing more, but at the same time, we need to respect the fact that they are fathers . . . which is just as important to them as it is to us.

  238. Garret August 31, 2010 2:31 pm


    I agree with you that all student athletes are worthy competitors and earn their scholarships with their hard work and sacrifice. Unfortunately, the general public only cares about certain sports–really only 2 college sports get decent viewership on TV nationwide and the public doesn’t pay to go to softball, soccer, tennis, swimming, and other sporting events.

    So, if TV only makes money on 2 sports and fans will only pay to watch 2 sports live, doesn’t it mean that all the other sports (with exceptions like women’s volleyball at UH and baseball at Texas) are being subsidized?

  239. OldDiver August 31, 2010 2:31 pm


    Any thoughts on how this affects the MWC chances to become a BCS conference?

  240. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 2:32 pm

    JD and VH have my support and confidence.

    Trying times.

    The greater the crisis, the greater the victory when one adheres to high principles and reliance on Ke Akua.

  241. Steve August 31, 2010 2:33 pm


    If the are not neglecting their job responsibilities, then how did UH and the WAC get into this predicament, are still in this predicament and getting worse by the minute.

  242. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 2:33 pm

    #233- you are covered!

  243. Garret August 31, 2010 2:34 pm

    Multiple reports this summer (many with people commenting on the record) mentioned that JD talked with the Pac-10, MWC, WCC, Big West, and one other unnamed conference (which I figure has to be C-USA). The only conference that appears to be interested is the Big West, which would be a great home for UH’s teams outside of football.

    JD explored all of UH’s options continually throughout the summer, he obviously wasn’t just sitting back and doing nothing. To me, I think going indy for football and joining the Big West is the best option…it is either that or stay in the WAC until somebody else leaves.

  244. bb August 31, 2010 2:34 pm

    I’m assuming he’s coming here.

    We are still part of his beloved conference…

    And he found out about Fresno St. and Nevada while helping his daughter move into USC. In his head he was saying WAC FIGHT ON!

    I would love to play poker with him. He’d show you his cards before the turn.

  245. Garret August 31, 2010 2:36 pm

    Any thoughts on how this affects the MWC chances to become a BCS conference?


    With the changes the MWC is still in the same position, but their appeal is a little weaker. They are still in the top 6 in 2 of the 3 categories (either BSU or TCU does that for them) and they are #7 in the average computer rating category. They will go down a little after losing BYU unless either Fresno or Nevada have a strong season this year.

  246. kev-1 August 31, 2010 2:36 pm

    If Fresno and Nevada didn’t see greener grass and jump ship on “the project,” Benson (and even Donovan, for his involvement) would be seen as geniuses. Had it played out the way they intended, the WAC and UH would have had fairly bright futures. UH and the WAC got into this predicament not because of inactivity, rather from their proactivity being sniffed out.

  247. Garret August 31, 2010 2:37 pm

    I’m going to go and work out now…got to exhaust myself before I go on a Karl Benson rant.

  248. Steve August 31, 2010 2:38 pm

    Hey, I would love to play poker with JD, also, cause you will always know he is bluffing and never have a hand to play with.

  249. greenthumb August 31, 2010 2:39 pm

    #234 — I was reading your blog and links and scribbling down numbers but this list is even clearer. What a sharp falloff between the haves and the have-nots. Also, where does the Pac 10 fall? With the stated $5m disparity between USC and WSU, and the trio of USC, UCLA and UW getting higher shares, does that put the Pac 10 in the #2 dollar spot? If C-USA’s current combined revenues are $1m (3x the WAC) and it already saw a 15% bump by CBS, a fly on the wall can picture the negotiating positions between ESPN and C-USA, huh?

    Other interesting data points to have would be rating shares (?) that ESPN pulls in for C-USA games vs. WAC games to figure out the unit cost to reach viewers in the markets within the two conferences.

  250. Steve August 31, 2010 2:41 pm


    Who was the one stupid enough to show their hand to everyone before it was time?

  251. Steve August 31, 2010 2:44 pm

    I can just see the Late Gov. Burns, and Stan Sheriff, turning over in their graves seeing their beloved UH Athletic Department going down the tubes.

  252. kev-1 August 31, 2010 2:46 pm


    Now I don’t argue with that point one bit. They should have definitely kept their cards closer. Especially since everyone knows that Fresno was looking for a way out of the WAC.

  253. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 2:47 pm

    Steve- It is a matter of perspective.

    For instance, take the end of the Hawaiian Monarchy.

    Most people look at the details of the events that happened and after years of rhetoric, it’s still a hot topic.

    But if you look at ALL the monarchies of that time, they ALL gave way to other forms of government. The only one left standing was Queen Victoria and even the British Empire has made some changes in the way things are done.

    The times change and new methods of organizing human society are needed to promote an ever-advancing civilization.

    Not only from a geographical point of view, but also a philosophical one.

    When $$$ no longer was the servant of education, school priorities changed. We are experiencing the outcomes of those decisions. I daresay that there may be no easy fix that will save college athletics as we have known them.

    But I leave those details to those who are empowered to make the decisions and pray that they will look not only at the immediate future but also at the global opportunities that will arise from our strategic location in the middle of the Pacific.

  254. kev-1 August 31, 2010 2:47 pm

    Hope this is good news for Colt . . .

    According to one of message boards, the Raiders released TE Eric Butler. I know they needed to trim one guy, so hopefully Colt will make it through to Thursday.

  255. Body Workout 101 August 31, 2010 2:48 pm

    The Warrior Beat| UH football, University of Hawaii athletics ……

    I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…

  256. kev-1 August 31, 2010 2:49 pm

    here’s that link

  257. djmitcho August 31, 2010 2:52 pm

    Thank youi Liz!

  258. haka August 31, 2010 2:52 pm

    I trust the Hawaii Athletic Directorship.

    With that said, we need to stay focused on the game.

    I love the posts about how big and fast the SoCal bad boys are.

    We don’t stand a chance with just big hearts.

    Well, we are at home and we have talent too.

    No Warrior who steps on that field thursday will be in awe.

    No Warrior will play in fear.

    No Warrior will give anything less than his all.

    As for the fans, there is only one thing left to do…




  259. Pomai August 31, 2010 2:53 pm

    Is BYwhoo going into the WCC with all other sports? According to ESPN it’s basketball only???

  260. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 2:53 pm

    It doesn’t surprise me when Garret confirms that Jim Donovan was having discussions with other conferences in the past few months.

    To what degree or in what kind of urgency was displayed in those conversations remains to be seen or known and may never be, but the correct phrase to be used in our situation is “hand-cuffed”.

    With our geographical limitations on top of several items previously discussed in redundancy, it seems like JD was always going into those conversations with one arm tied behind his back. Maybe not in his mind, but in the minds of those he was speaking to.

    I don’t think they gave JD and UH a fighting chance.

  261. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 2:56 pm


    We gotta meet in person.

    You sound like the fan UH really needs 24/7/365. :mgreen:

  262. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 2:58 pm


    Check out the Pacific Coast Softball Conference.

    Kind of interesting to see a D1 NCAA conference made up of ONLY softball programs. Our opponents from last season, LMU and Seattle University come from that conference.

  263. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 2:59 pm

    now why would Masoli and Ole Miss think that they’d be special and he wouldn’t have to sit out a year? geez.

  264. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 3:01 pm

    at least byu is not only screwing us and the wac, but also the MWC and the wac traitors (all of em, not just fresno, nevada and boise, since the others were the first traitors)

  265. Steve August 31, 2010 3:03 pm

    Maybe, it is time UH goes out and look for another Stan Sheriff type AD. Seems like JD is in way over his head in this one.

  266. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:04 pm

    “Business is a dogeatdog world and I am like a shark… who eats dogeatdogs. I am gonna be like one of those insane sharks that jumps onto the pier and takes the dogeatdog and drowns it under water.”

    ~Michael Scott, Regional Manager of Dunder Mifflin Scranton

  267. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 3:05 pm

    Ole Miss has a “Parks and Recreation” graduate program? I didn’t know that required a degree.

    Sounds as fishy as the “Independent Studies” major that was on that one baseball opponent we played last year.

  268. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 3:06 pm

    on a positive note, NEW Jack in the Box UH “throwback” Jack Balls to debut on Sept 2nd!!!!

  269. d1島 August 31, 2010 3:09 pm


    Surprising that Nike U. doesn’t have advanced degree program in Parks & Rec?

  270. d1島 August 31, 2010 3:14 pm

    …of course, they do have the Infamous “Interdisciplinary Studies”

    to meet the needs of students who have specific, well-articulated goals that cannot be reached through established departmental master’s degree programs


  271. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:15 pm


    Jim Donovan inherited a LOT of kaka and has dealt with a lot over the past two years. While staring at a 10 million dollar deficit and attempting to improve UH’s facilities at the same time, this is just another cheap shot he has to deal with.

    People can point to the struggles of the football and basketball teams as to one of the reasons UH is not looking attractive to other conferences and in that Coach Mack and the former Coach Nash were not his hires. Firing Coach Mack and moving faster to fire Coach Nash wouldn’t have helped much either considering the time it takes to shape a program and considering how fast we’ve lost the top teams in our conference, I’d be amazed that ANY single individual would have been able to make our situation better in the SAME instances within the span of 2.5 years considering that our AD cannot simply cut through the “red tape” that is ingrained in our state policies and procedures.

    It goes WAY higher than Jim Donovan and even HIGHER than UH President M.R.C. Greenwood and the deepest issues at hand goes back WAY further than Linda Lingle.

    The snowball effect.

  272. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:16 pm

    On a totally un-related note to that Ole Miss thing Chawan posted, I know the University of Alaska South offers ultimate frisbee as an actual paid course with credits.


    What a joke!

  273. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 3:20 pm


    uh had (at least when i was there) a flag football/ultimate frisbee 1 credit class. not a major, just a class.

  274. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:24 pm


    Ok I am pretty sure that when I got there that wasn’t around, or at least I skimmed over it. 😆

    I would have taken the credit for sure, but no way was I paying for that!!!

  275. d1島 August 31, 2010 3:26 pm


    As you noted, many enterprises are in it for one thing- $$$

    A university is no different….doesn’t matter what the course or degree – you pay the $$$, they give you credit!

  276. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:29 pm




    Please e-mail me at tsaikotailgate (at) gmail (dot) com for the proper information.

    -Anyone that already knows, please pass this along to other regulars you may see in person.

  277. chad August 31, 2010 3:29 pm

    Never thought I would say this, but I think we might have to root for Boise St. getting into the National Championship for ONE LAST BIG PAYOUT to the WAC conference before they leave….

  278. Steve August 31, 2010 3:30 pm


    I respect what you have to say. But like alot of people, including JD, it is a reactive stance, not a proactive one. If Stan had taken a reactive stance, we would only have an arena that would seat 4k, not 10k. That only occurred cause he was proactive, and assertive in what he did.

    What also worries me, is your beloved Wahine Softball team. After this year, I fear if the stay in the WAC, will they ever see the light of the NCAA tournament again.

  279. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:31 pm


    It was the University of Alaska South. If they REALLY wanted to make money they should have offered Beer Pong as a course.

    Or hot-boxing. 😆 😉

  280. duffer aka Ace (iPhone) August 31, 2010 3:32 pm


    Hope Coach Dana can make the t-gate on Thursday

  281. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:41 pm


    1st, Rainbow Wahine softball is NOT “my” team, it’s OUR team. All of us. 😉

    2nd, I dunno what is happening with that. If we go indy in football, the Big West carries softball and that’s where we’ll most likely be for softball as well. Honestly, looking at the teams in the Big West that play softball, UC Davis were their conference champs with a sub .500 record of 26-29 and we faced them several times in 2010, including the Stanford Regional and it wasn’t the stuff of legend at all.

    So that wouldn’t be so bad for the Wahine.

    I mean, with the exception of Fresno State and recently Nevada, WAC softball wasn’t “tops” at all.

    Prior to all of this, Boise State’s softball program really looked like one to vastly improve alongside the Wahine over the next few seasons and I was looking forward to a possibly deeper WAC softball lineup, all that goes out the window.

    If the Wahine do land in the Big West, non conference opponents and our immediate win-loss record in the beginning of the year will have a bigger impact on the RPI more than ever.

  282. mctruck August 31, 2010 3:42 pm

    I believe in BYU’s case, they were proactive, and I hope that the head honchos at UH take a hint from that. I also agree with Garret in that UH should go indy and join the Big West in all other sports if they can get in while the gettins good.

  283. Pomai August 31, 2010 3:43 pm

    #278 Steve – Not to worry they will return, not only to the NCAA tournament but to the WCWS and this time they will win it. Just Beleive

  284. mctruck August 31, 2010 3:43 pm

    Overall, I think being in a conference with Benson as the commish is a losing proposition from the get go.

  285. mctruck August 31, 2010 3:47 pm

    If TCU has another good year, they might just convince the BIG12 to admit them into their conference…….and that might erode the MWC further, then what???

  286. Not an Expert August 31, 2010 3:52 pm

    It is disheartening seeing what has transpired. UH should take Garret’s suggestion of UH going independent in football and rest of the sports in the Big West. Start getting the most influential people behind UH to open doors to have ESPN contract with Hawaii.

    The tourism industry can help by giving away 5 roundtrip vacations for 2 to Hawaii, while UH games are being televised. In order to win they need to watch the game while clues or information is given. They can send their answers in and those with all the correct answers will be put in a drawing. The winners to be announced on the next televised broadcast.

    Sell ideas to ESPN to have UH and BYU play games in foreign countries that may embrace the idea. Get those country’s government involved as far as promoting tourism. Have Navy,

    Army, BYU come to Hawaii for a 10 day stay and play 2 double hearders during that time period. Navy & Army playing together in the first game and BYU & UH the 2nd. Following week Navy or Army play either BYU or UH.

    Bottom line is ESPN can easily promote this set-up. They need to buy into it. If successful ESPN will help build the independents to become powerhouses. The independents can create their schedule on where they paly with the help of ESPN. If the independent schools were able to play in 2 different foreign countries a year do you think that will help recruiting.

    The potential is limitless need ESPN to help pull it off. Only problem would they be willing to bet on it with Hawaii.

  287. Steve August 31, 2010 3:53 pm

    I can foresee, HPU, UH-HILO, Chaminade, and BYU-Hawaii, having a new member in their conference come fall of 2011.

  288. Steve August 31, 2010 3:54 pm

    Pomai, I do believe they will do that this Athletic year, but after…..

  289. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:54 pm



    October 19th is when the Rainbow Wahine softball team’s “Fall” season starts. Typically the fall season for softball includes just the annual alumnae game a few games against Chaminade. Those are happening in November, but on Tuesday night at 6pm on October 19th, the Wahine will face off against Christian Brothers University in a DOUBLE HEADER.

  290. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:56 pm


    Thanks to you and Sailor Blue, Coach Dana did get the needed tailgate information.

    If she can, can. 😎

  291. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 3:58 pm

    if you haven’t seen, here’s my UH football schedules of schedules as well UH fall sports(major) calendars to print out since we don’t get posters any more. (and the wallpaper they make are too colorful to print out)

  292. Steve August 31, 2010 3:59 pm

    Kazz, Christian Brothers University, never heard of them, who are they?

  293. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 3:59 pm

    Jim Donovan has said on the radio that he thinks the Wahine volleyball and softball teams can get away with being independents.

    Personally, I am not as confident. Especially for softball especially considering that already some of the schools we’ve faced in the past that have participated in those early season softball tournaments hosted by UH have had to raise their own money to come down here to play UH.

    For volleyball, I am not sure.

    Still, it would be best for the Wahine to get into the Big West with the other sports and I am sure that would happen if that becomes the reality of it all.

  294. haka August 31, 2010 4:02 pm

    #272 Kazz

    Ultimate frisbee credit. I guess it ain’t easy catching a frozen frisbee.

    That reminds me of ESPNU about a month ago…

    NCAA college fishing…

    Sometimes, I think the NCAA has it all bass ackwards!

    Kazz, we will meet in a couple of days when we beat USC!

    See you on cloud nine!

    Cheeeee Huuuuuu!

    Go Warriors!


  295. Steve August 31, 2010 4:03 pm

    If going independent in football, and the Big West in all the other sports, then an announcement should be made on Thursday, or at least by the end of the week. If no announcement is made, then that approach is nil.

  296. Steve August 31, 2010 4:07 pm

    Everything should be set in place, prior to BYU’s announcement. If UH is waiting for BYU’s formal announcement tomorrow, to see what their options are, it is way to late. I can just hear UH remarks tomorrow, “we are seeing what our options are”.

  297. HawaiiMongoose August 31, 2010 4:08 pm

    I’d be surprised if CUSA isn’t already weighing whether to issue invitations to TCU and other eastern MWC schools such as New Mexico and Air Force. After seeing how Thompson dealt with the WAC, CUSA might view such a move as a necessary preemptive strike before the MWC can invite UTEP, Houston and/or SMU. And, a 16-team CUSA that included TCU might command a large enough ESPN contract to make adding more members pay off. Things could get very interesting very quickly…

  298. Steve August 31, 2010 4:08 pm

    Do not be surprised people if Bob Hogue is UH’s new commissioner.

  299. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 4:09 pm


    Root for Boise? Huh?? I’m hoping UH goes undefeated till then.. or at the very least, undefeated in the WAC till the meet up with Boise… and then I hope UH mashes them good.

  300. mctruck August 31, 2010 4:11 pm

    The WCC home page has already announced BYU’s inclussion into the conference starting from the 2011-2012 season.

    Wishing BYU the best.

    Hope the same holds true for UH and the BIG WEST……then again what happens if UNLV and SDS makes moves to the WAC???

  301. Nathan August 31, 2010 4:11 pm

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  302. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 4:13 pm

    Speaking of T-Gates- from Gay Patek: Thanks Liz, wish we were there! Have fun for us and tell everyone we said hello!

  303. Ipu Man August 31, 2010 4:13 pm

    Ya gotta love ST’s headline today:

    The beginning is near …

    August 31st, 2010

    By Stephen Tsai

  304. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 4:15 pm

    mctruck- yes, let us wish each school the best. If a unified, mutually-beneficial, win-win situation cannot be achieved through consultation and cooperation, then it is “good luck and Godspeed” to each one standing alone…

    Pointing and blaming will not solve our situation.

  305. Steve August 31, 2010 4:15 pm

    Ipu Man:

    Ending is not to far off, too.

  306. Ipu Man August 31, 2010 4:17 pm

    Steve, try making lemonade with lemons…

    Build up, not down…

  307. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 4:18 pm


    I attempted to post a piece on CBU, but it’s pending moderation????

    Anyway, they’ve accumulated a record of about 200 wins over 400 losses since 1995, play in D2 softball and have not made any tournaments.

    They are coming out of Memphis.

  308. Garret August 31, 2010 4:21 pm


    I looked up the Pac-10’s 2008 TV numbers for you. They are hoping to get $15 million per team on average (they may not share it equally). Some projections say they will get $10 million per school in 2013…when the Big 10’s TV money is projected to hit $40 million per school:

    USC $6,469,584

    UCLA $4,905,922

    Oregon State $4,864,571

    Washington $4,740,518

    California $4,388,159

    Arizona State $4,091,777

    Oregon $3,967,724

    Stanford $3,449,961

    Arizona $3,342,259

    Wash. State $3,029,526

    You can see why the Pac-10 was trying to get Texas to increase their TV dollars! The Big 12 schools are expected to get $20 million per school after their new deal starts when Colorado leaves.

  309. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 4:21 pm


    Don’t go the route of “Last Call”. He/she already claimed to pull the plug on supporting UH student athletes and these one liners are just plain irritating.

  310. Last Call August 31, 2010 4:21 pm

    Mr. Peanut is on his way to Hawai`i for the USC game according to the WAC web site and more than likely will have conversations with UH about the future.

    Get proactive right now and flood JD’s e-mail box. He needs to know what we want.They need us we do the supporting and we have the right to have a voice in this mess.

    Don’t be a wind bag,keep it short because we only have two options ,stay or leave.

  311. cocobean August 31, 2010 4:24 pm

    First things first. Get the Big West to accept the other sports then go indy in FB

  312. Garret August 31, 2010 4:27 pm

    San Diego’s newspaper reports that the MWC and C-USA will meet to take their partnership “to the next level”. It looks like they are trying for a combined BCS spot and other things. So, BSU’s President will be meeting with C-USA Presidents on behalf of the MWC while BSU is playing in the WAC!

    The Mountain West Conference plans to “take the conversation to the next level” with Conference USA on various issues affecting to the leagues, including access to the Bowl Championship Series in college football.

    Last week, MWC Commissioner Craig Thompson requested the chief executives of league members Boise State, Air Force and Texas Christian form a subcommittee to meet with three chief executives from Conference USA in Dallas-Forth Worth sometime in September or October, according to an Aug. 23 memo from the MWC obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune. Tentative Conference USA participants included executives from Tulane, Central Florida and Southern Methodist.

  313. Aaron August 31, 2010 4:28 pm

    i love how people think that just because the powers-that-be aren’t telling “us” what they are planning that nothing is actually being done about anything.

  314. Ipu Man August 31, 2010 4:29 pm

    Kazz…also love your one iners…

    That’s why I love Gigi’s chat…

    short and to the point.

  315. Ipu Man August 31, 2010 4:30 pm

    sorry, “one liners”…


  316. dopaco24 August 31, 2010 4:30 pm

    JD is the kinda guy that doesn’t really want to talk about things until they are done deals. To the public it may look like he’s doing absolutely nothing, but it’s quite the opposite. I have faith that he’s doing everything possible to get UH ready for their next move.

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  318. Garret August 31, 2010 4:35 pm

    This is from Ferd’s article 6 days ago. Note that the Big West has a moratorium on expansion right now so even if they wanted UH (or BYU) they couldn’t add any school right now. That complicates the timing for UH.

    But in June, Farrell told the Star-Advertiser, “Hawaii certainly does have a great history with the Big West with their women’s programs and we have a great affinity for their program and people over the years.”

    The nine-school Big West, which is composed of California schools, has a moratorium on expansion until year’s end.

  319. LizKauai m/ August 31, 2010 4:37 pm

    Please remember gigi’s mom in your prayers:

    “On another note, please pray for my 94 year old mother, who fell flat on her back while on an excursion with her adult day care center last week. She has been experiencing excruciating lower back pain.”

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  320. Garret August 31, 2010 4:41 pm

    Remember, there was the other article posted a few days ago that mentioned where the Big West’s Commissioner said that only UH had contacted them. The article pointed out that the Big West wanted to expand because they needed 1 more team to get automatic NCAA bids for softball, baseball, and women’s volleyball. I seriously doubt that ANY school the Big West could get is stronger than UH in those sports.

    I remember posting after that news came out that UH should go independent and join the Big West. The Big West gains NCAA bids in 3 sports and UH gets a home for their non-football teams.

    It should be pointed out that UH’s travel costs and travel time would be MUCH lower with the Big West. Maybe UH could offer a modest travel subsidy to the Big West that comes out the the difference in travel costs for UH between the WAC and Big West…if they insisted on a travel subsidy.

  321. Last Call August 31, 2010 4:42 pm

    Hey Kazz it’s my money not yours.

  322. chad August 31, 2010 4:43 pm

    Made in Hawaii #299,

    Believe me, I DO want Hawaii to win… (In case we dont…per say)

    Im referring to a monetary gain in-conference spit (17 Million) for any team (and all the schools in the conference) in the BCS NCG. So all in all, if Boise gets a shot at the NCG, Hawaii will profit the same way all WAC schools profited when we went to the sugar bowl in ’08.

    If were going to go Indy, we going to need $$$$.

  323. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 4:55 pm

    Last Call,

    Yes it is your money and you’ve done what you wanted to do with it.

  324. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 4:58 pm


    Agree. The fact that all current Big West schools are in the state of California is almost too good to be true.

    Plus I am confident that travel subsidies will be on the table ala JD and UH for the Big West to “mull” over.

    I think the Big West is “make or break” for UH at this point. I don’t personally have much confidence in other sports going independent outside of UH football.

  325. gaf August 31, 2010 5:04 pm

    It is awesome to stumble across something worth reading. Seems like everyone is starting a blog and tossing up whatever hops into their head. Most of the time it does not make good sense. I am glad to see that is not the case with this one.

  326. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 5:06 pm


    A win over an undefeated Boise going into independence will probably pay off in greater dividends that the split we would get from the 1/2 that Boise leaves the WAC. If we can end up ranked this season … and keep building on that in the seasons to come.. by the time we go independent, we’ll have greater marketing potential. But UH needs to win the big games to ask for the big bucks.

  327. chad August 31, 2010 5:17 pm



  328. Steve August 31, 2010 5:18 pm


    How long will you allow JD to keep saying, “we need to look at all our options”, before you realize this is way above his head. He probably does not want to admit that he was caught with his pants down, just like Benson. But then again, is not everything in this State done that way. Only acted upon after it has happened, never a contingency plan, at all. Why do you think Hawaii even has a chance of hosting a volleyball regional at all. It is due to Stan

    Sheriff looking into the future, and getting a 10k+ seat arena. I can just imagine what size arena JD would have asked for.

  329. Shoko August 31, 2010 5:23 pm

    Just read that Benson is en route to Hawaii for the season opener between USC and the Warriors. Show him some Aloha 😉

  330. al August 31, 2010 5:24 pm

    giving credit where credit is due…an athletic department administrator jumped on the phone as soon as he heard about the exodus by fsu and reno. he was on the phone with a western hemisphere athletic conference thus some rumors went abound. the opening of a window of opportunity was born.

    this same administrator has felt all along that independency in football is doable and may be the route to take at this juncture. surely he has already made a lot of contacts regarding a possible schedule in the very near future. in fact he has always championed this thought.

    so finding a home for the non-football sports is first and foremost.

    so now that byu pulled the trigger new direction is necessary and will come soon. we have only two shots, get into a conference for non-gridiron sports and go independent. or stay put if there is a wac in the future. i believe that benson will find two more colleges, but, he may have to go further west than he would like. at any rate, when will the wac get poached again???

    the mwc did the deed. they stole from the wac again and will do it again. we well never be in their plans.

    is the time to go independent now? go now while it is trendy? perhaps a snowball effect is in the crystal ball with more schools to follow is on the horizon…i can see the likes of usc, texas, and more going this route.

    and if the wac separates where will those left behind go???

    no worry. beef curry. we will regroup and rebound.

    even though that administrator appears to move as slow as a turtle, he is well equipped and ready to implement a plan. this as sure as the little birdie(s) have chirped most recently.

    …nuff said.

  331. al August 31, 2010 5:25 pm

    shoko…should we scream out the “b” word or the “no b”; ooooo!

  332. Shoko August 31, 2010 5:29 pm

    Haha, Al do what it takes to express your disappointment. Just don’ t break any laws. 😆

  333. Steve August 31, 2010 5:29 pm

    Benson will try to convince Hawaii, and JD, to stay in the WAC. JD, being gullible, will say ok. By doing so, that will be the demise of Hawaii athletics as we know it. Back to the 60’s and 70’s folks, Dave Holmes times.

  334. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 5:30 pm

    Al is being cryptic again.

  335. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 5:31 pm

    Dave Holmes had a great record at Hawaii! Outstanding one… best winning percentage of all UH coaches, I think.

    BUT…. the WAC might better survive without Hawaii for the time being…

  336. bb August 31, 2010 5:32 pm


    Karl Benson on BC show tomorrow in studio.

    Let the dog’s out.

  337. Steve August 31, 2010 5:33 pm


    Yes he did have a great record, in DII.

  338. empty August 31, 2010 5:33 pm

    This is my first post here. A while back, someone said that UH should put their other sports in the Big West and keep their football in the WAC. I agree with this idea especially if the MWC and CUSA are trying to make one large conference. The teams that are not invited to the dance could be invited to the WAC to increase the size of the WAC and the UH pulling the other sports out of the surviving WAC would not hurt the WAC and cause ill feeling that exist now toward the teams that are leaving. Just my thoughts.

  339. kruzen August 31, 2010 5:33 pm

    I’m not sure if anyone posted this but the WCC Handbook that includes the by-laws appears not to discriminate between public and private colleges/universities.

    Does anyone know for sure if WCC has denied Hawaii as a potential member in their conference or is the Big West a better fit?

  340. dennis halloran August 31, 2010 5:35 pm

    BYU in the WCC is a coup for the conference. Seattle U/ will be next and capture another big TV market

    Look at the Frontier Conference, they play each other twice in football.

    In a transition for independents, a couple of years playing Home and Homes with other indies in one year might solve interim scheduling

  341. Steve August 31, 2010 5:35 pm


    Will that mean, we can ask him pointed questions, or will it be questions only he is willing to be asked and answer?

  342. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 5:35 pm


    Next time you see Bob Hogue, try ask him to throw away his tray when attending a game at the SSC.

    Braddah left a mess last time. 😉

  343. HawaiiMongoose August 31, 2010 5:36 pm

    While I’m as anxious as anyone else for UH to make a quick decision on its future, the reality is that the June 30th, 2010 deadline to leave the WAC at the beginning of the 2011-2012 season has passed. That means Hawaii’s earliest opportunity to depart the WAC, either to go independent or join another conference, will be at the beginning of the 2012-2013 season, and UH’s deadline to make that decision and notify the WAC is June 30th, 2011. In the meantime there could be further conference realignment changes that could offer UH a better opportunity than going independent (e.g. a CUSA raid on the remaining MWC schools that resulted in a WAC-MWC merger). Or, the WAC could convince Montana and two or three other schools to join, and staying the conference might begin to look more appealing than it does today. So as much as I hate to say it, the prudent approach is probably for JD to hold off on making a final decision on UH’s future for at least a few months and possibly as long as 10 months.

  344. bb August 31, 2010 5:39 pm

    Well, Ill take it with a grain of salt.

    Knowing BC he will lob softballs but given this unique situation I would love to see callers unleash hell.

    8:15 AM…

  345. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 5:39 pm


    Good one.

  346. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 5:41 pm

    If anything, I have some confidence that USU will bail on the WAC sometime during the fall 2010 and spring 2011 season as will LaTech.

    So at the latest June 30, 2011, UH will have made a decision. I cannot see UH delaying anything beyond that.

  347. Kazz (click to support UH softball) August 31, 2010 5:42 pm


    Correction. BC most likely may throw slow pitches to KB, while callers will want to throw “risers” and “screwballs”.


    Sorry… couldnt resist.

  348. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 5:42 pm


    Thursday’s game on live stream via espn’s site..

  349. OldDiver August 31, 2010 5:45 pm

    JD is an easy target knowing that he can’t say a word about the situation. Over his head? I don’t think so. Difficult situation? of course. JD can’t do this alone though. I’m gonna sound like a broken record but this is something kept Garret saying a while ago when we weren’t interested. The football team has to win now!!!

  350. OldDiver August 31, 2010 5:46 pm

    *Garret kept*

  351. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 5:47 pm


    Apples for apples…

    For what Holmes had (budget and stadium) he did outstandingly well..

  352. RedZone August 31, 2010 5:50 pm

    Go warriors.

    Beat the Trojans.

  353. cocobean August 31, 2010 5:53 pm


    I’m with you. I have confidence in JD. He’s privy to a lot more information than what’s out there for public consumption. You can bet he’s exploring every option there is. Job one is finding a home for the non football sports. Once that is done he’ll call a press conference and let everyone know what’s going on. Till then everyone can speculate as to the best course to follow. Everyone has an opinion.

  354. OldDiver August 31, 2010 5:58 pm

    I keep wondering do we have a chance? After reading RainbowCliffs comments about how USC will smother us with All American talent, what right do I have to be hopeful. Well, it just came to mind that USC is coming to town to play a football game. Our team is playing for survival. I think we have a chance.

  355. Not an Expert August 31, 2010 6:02 pm

    Now that the WAC has been put to the pastures, the fight between MWC and C-USA to begin. They will talk to each other but they will be leery of each other. More likely C-USA to be extra cautious with Thompson.

    Anyway divide and conquer and if can’t divide your enemy get them to join forces. These non AQ conferences are creating their demise. It is proven by the history of the WAC that 16 teams does not work. Why because you will always have in any league winners and losers. 80/20 rule, and as time goes on the 20 will get tired of sharing the wealth with the other 80. These AQ conferences are just playing into the hands of the big boys who are controlling everything. Think about it a conference of 16 teams and to go to BCS bowls will not have much money to divide after expenses. As I stated the BCS bowls are for promoting and growing the schools who can play in them basically year in and year out.

    The non AQ conferences should of created a coalition and created their own league within the NCAA structure. Have about 4 to 5 conferences with about 8 to 9 teams and create a year end playoff system. The big equation to the formula is to have the backing of the networks. Alsmost how the American Football League plowed their trail to one day become equal to the establisment. If not it will be the survival of the fittest and there are only so many teams that will be the 20%. Just my take.

  356. Steve August 31, 2010 6:08 pm


    I totally agree with you, Holmes did an outstanding job. I was even present for quite a few of those outstanding games. Even in the rain and mud ones.

  357. Steve August 31, 2010 6:13 pm


    I truly believe JD is in over his head. He was here in Hawaii, when UH and the WAC got caught with their pants down. To let it happen again, with any kind of action in place???

    How disconcerting!!!!

  358. Ralph August 31, 2010 6:26 pm

    Joining the Big West and paying some travel subsidy is doable. UH saves a lot in travel expense by not having to fly and bus to Las Cruces, Ruston, Logan, Boise and Moscow (Idaho). Hopefully they can partner with Hawaiian Air to generate lowered fees to fly UH and their Big West members into and out of Hawaii to California. The Marriott and Outrigger are UH corporate sponsors and if our sponsors offer incentives and discounts to the Big West teams then our cost (UH) will be manageable. UH athletics is big business for the tourism industry, we need our corporate sponsors to step up and not let UH athletics fold. So, where, or where is the Governor, legislature and tourism authority, I am hoping they are working behind the scenes and covering JD’s back 120%, 10% more effort than what Pride thinks is needed in football to be successful. 🙂

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  360. Pomai August 31, 2010 6:43 pm

    It’s funny, we have guys saying that JD is just not doing anything, then we have some saying that Benson blew it when he opened his mouth to soon, come on guys what do you want him to do. I have complete confidence in JD, an would be surprised if he said anything other then the general spin right now.

  361. Steve August 31, 2010 6:50 pm


    In Benson’s situation, he should resign effective immediately, he cannot help but only hurt the WAC and Hawaii, more. It would not surprise me if one of the reasons BYU will not go into the WAC, is due to Benson. No confidense in him being a commissioner. As for JD, I am willing to give him till the end of the week or so. If he is waiting on BYU to make their move official before announcing anything. But if he does not come out with anything real soon, and keeps waiting, he will be hurting all sports recruiting wise. Even Coach Mac want an answer quickly before it hurts recruiting.

  362. A-House August 31, 2010 6:54 pm

    Big West Conference moratorium on expansion to 12/31/2010.

    Does this mean that they cannot discuss any expansion plans until 1/1/11 or can discuss, but nothing happens until 2012?

    MWC commish said they were done with expansion, but within a week or two or three, he made offers to Fresno and Nevada. So, how much weight do we put on moratoriums? Will he now make an offer to USU or Houston after BYU’s announcement? Which is more important – TV $$$ in state of Utah or TV market in Texas? If MWC chooses Houston, will the MWC also extend the “financial olive branch” of paying exit fees to them?

    If its USU, will this automatically “kill” the WAC?

    Why is Fresno St off the hook in paying the $5 million exit fee? Is Fresno saying that Nevada “quit” first so they must pay the fee?

    If the legal actions mentioned over the past 2 days occur, will the MWC still assist Nevada and/or Fresno pay the $10 million exit fee? Or, will they be burdened by their own legal problems? Will the MWC be involved with a “conflict of interest” situation of protecting Fresno and Nevada? It will depend on how the atty(s) write the complaint. I would name all “individually” forcing the schools and MWC to hire their own attys to protect their interests only to prevent the conflict of interest situation.

    After all is said and done, it would be a laughter to see Boise, Fresno, and Nevada retract their acceptance into the MWC and the WAC refuse to take them back!

  363. whitey August 31, 2010 7:24 pm

    somehow all this bantering is being lost on what is the most important issue!!!! WARRIOR FOOTBALL IN 2 DAYS!!!! The it is Wahine Volleyball on Friday and the weekend!!!! I can smell pigskin in the air and there is going to be some pigs flying. Yeeeesh!!!!

  364. whitey August 31, 2010 7:26 pm

    This is going to be a new beginning for the Warriors.

  365. whitey August 31, 2010 7:26 pm

    aaron and dopaco24, right on!!!!

  366. whitey August 31, 2010 7:28 pm

    Coach Dana at the Tsaiko tg on Thursday!!! AWESOME!!!!!

  367. whitey August 31, 2010 7:29 pm

    To our Warrior fb team, am truly proud of you and look forward to a “fun” season!!! Best wishes.

  368. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 7:29 pm


    Now… if only McMackin can get his winning percentages up to the level of Holmes, eh? That would help take the bite out of going independent.

  369. whitey August 31, 2010 7:31 pm

    Coach Mc and his staff, it is time to show what you have worked on, developed, and kicking butts. Give em Warriors!!!!!

  370. whitey August 31, 2010 7:32 pm

    MIH, no looking back, but there is a beautiful rainbow in the making at Aloha this Thursday.

  371. whitey August 31, 2010 7:34 pm

    Go Hawaii!!!! We are with you!!!!!

  372. Dennis Halloran August 31, 2010 7:35 pm

    There are going to be more conference shifts

    Schools with big budgets will protect their own

    UH needs to get asked to the prom. MWC

    or look at a whole new model of business

    I trust our AD and Commish

    Play well on TV on Thursday for the future

  373. whitey August 31, 2010 7:36 pm

    Some of our future Warriors will have the opportunity to watch their future this Thursday and who knows, they may want to sign the bottom line before the game ends.

  374. Ralph August 31, 2010 7:37 pm

    Whitey is on a roll!

  375. whitey August 31, 2010 7:38 pm

    Dennis, you are probably correct and I feel the same way. There are many more “nuts” to fall from the tree.

  376. Steve August 31, 2010 7:38 pm


    I am not worried about Hawaii going independent, if anything, I hope they do. It could mean better competition, wish could translate into better athletes to recruit. I am more concerned about the other sports. Cause it seems like Hawaii does not want to do anything about football until they find a conference to place the other sports. Only recourse right now Big West, but Big West will not look into it until 2011, which would be to late recruiting wise for football, per Coach Mac.

  377. Ralph August 31, 2010 7:38 pm

    Happy Valley will be rocking and rolling tonight! 🙂

  378. whitey August 31, 2010 7:39 pm

    Ralphie, you impressed with all the bantering or are you getting ready for some football????

  379. whitey August 31, 2010 7:42 pm

    Like Garret says about money from football, it drives everything, so hopefully the game will be a sellout and well played. We can use all the positive publicity that ESPN may generate if the Warriors do their job. Go Warriors!!!!!

  380. Steve August 31, 2010 7:42 pm

    How is Notre Dame connected to the BCS since they are not in a conference?

  381. haka August 31, 2010 7:44 pm

    #354 OldDiver

    I think you have it turned around. We are not playing for survival, USC is. They cannot lose this game or look even a bit vulnerable. It is on them to “crush” us with “all American” talent. According to the “insiders” and those who quote the L.A. media, it is over already. No body east of Hawaii gives us chance.

    Well the Warriors have something to say about that.

    They have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

    They will be there face to face and will not flinch.

    No staredown will take their will.

    No taunting will break their focus.

    Hawaii is not showing up to “survive”.

    Hawaii is showing up believing in themselves.

    Hawaii is showing up to win.

    That’s why you play the game.

    I like our chances.

    Go Warriors!

    Beat USC!

  382. whitey August 31, 2010 7:45 pm

    ralph, this is like being in the midwest when there is a change in climate and attitude. Days getting shorter, slight chill in the air, and pigskins are everywhere. Not to mention that the start of teal season is in 2 weeks.

  383. whitey August 31, 2010 7:46 pm

    haka, great post!!!!

  384. chawan_cut August 31, 2010 7:46 pm


  385. whitey August 31, 2010 7:52 pm

    USC football team should be HNL and hope they had a good trip. Aloha and Welcome to Warrior Country.

  386. whitey August 31, 2010 7:53 pm

    and as we progress up, the little hump is right there.

  387. whitey August 31, 2010 7:55 pm

    rasu, understand you going be in HNL on the 19th. dang, I going miss you cause i going be in your country at that time.

  388. whitey August 31, 2010 7:56 pm

    whoa, easy, time to brake.

  389. d1島 August 31, 2010 7:57 pm


    How financially troubled are the Big West schools?

  390. papajoe2 August 31, 2010 8:06 pm

    Garret or anyone else. I could be wrong but I think Title IX is to make sure we give equal scholarships to men and women. I believe it’s mandated by the federal grants given to the schools. If a school has a D1 football team, then its taking up 85 scholarships. Add baseball, basketball, men volleyball, and whatever else in men sports then you must have equal scholarships in women sports. The same goes for high schools although not in scholarships, but opportunities in sports. My daughter received and athletic scholarship at UH. I am thankful for Title IX as I’m sure many other female athletes and their parents are. Yes, I agree that something should be done to change the “rules” of Title IX. Maybe if they make an exception for football, but have all the rest of the sports’ scholarships be equal. Or even keep a few girls/ladies on their football team and have open tryouts for both sexes, then this should make it an equal opportunity. I admit I don’t know the answer but, yes, without a winning football team, supporting the other sports may kill sports for the mid and lesser schools.

  391. whitey August 31, 2010 8:16 pm

    “We can’t win a BCS national championship,” quarterback Matt Barkley said Tuesday. “But we can play championship football.”

    It starts Thursday night in Hawaii, and if you remember the last time they were there, in 2005, you’ll remember a 63-17 victory that was the first step in a Heisman march for Reggie Bush.

    These Trojans are paying the price for the selfishness and arrogance that led that march. These Trojans must find a new step, to a different cadence.

    This was fromt he LA Times today.

  392. whitey August 31, 2010 8:19 pm

    63-17!!!!! Warriors, Do not think of payback, but play the game with intensity and no let ups. This is a 4 qtr game.

  393. papajoe2 August 31, 2010 8:21 pm

    Warriors, 34-27. heeheeheehee

  394. lil.s August 31, 2010 8:24 pm

    score – 34-31 UH

  395. SteveM August 31, 2010 8:30 pm


    August 31st, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    rasu, understand you going be in HNL on the 19th. dang, I going miss you cause i going be in your country at that time.

    whitey –latest word on the farm chat line is that rasu begasu will be sliding in a day early…Sat. at 0630 and heading straight to Genji’s for breakfast and the balance of the Army game. Still leaving on the 20th, I think, so he should be back home that day. The Karaoke Call on the 18th is still on.

  396. Ralph August 31, 2010 8:40 pm

    Raiders cut 4: Chace Moline, Allen Smith, Tony Stewart and Paul Hubbard were cut today, Oakland needs to cut one more tomorrow to reach the 75 limit. Then big Saturday when the roster is reduced to 53.

  397. LK August 31, 2010 8:41 pm


    Only by three,



  398. LK August 31, 2010 8:42 pm


    Only by three?

  399. lil.s August 31, 2010 8:46 pm

    one of the loudest stadiums in college football forces a bobbled snap and block by hardy-tuliau on a tieing field goal attempt with no time remaining! UH by 3!

  400. LK August 31, 2010 8:46 pm


    So far I only have badge requests for LizK and RGB, I’ll need to set a request deadline of noonish tomorrow.

  401. LK August 31, 2010 8:52 pm

    Loud was back in the 80’s, when UH was drawing 40-45K every Saturday game night, the band and students on the sidelines, the stands thundering with stomping feet.

    Wait that’ll be this Thursday 🙂

  402. lil.s August 31, 2010 8:52 pm

    opening kick-off, UH kicks it to the corner, USc FR fumbles!! starts off with bad field position, & UH D forces 3a nd out and gains the field position advantage off the punt and 15 yard return by Salas! 1st and 10, first pass, 35 yd TD UH!

  403. lil.s August 31, 2010 9:00 pm

    aww man off to bed for me, gotta save my voice for thursday! i suggest the same for the rest of you too! 🙂

  404. LK August 31, 2010 9:01 pm

    The good thing about game week is that all of the talk about conferences can fade into the background. And the real reason we’re all here on this blog (a real live Warrior Football game) can have the spotlight on center stage.

  405. LK August 31, 2010 9:02 pm


    Better be sleeping within the hour.


  406. whitey August 31, 2010 9:02 pm

    SteveM, that’s a roger and thanks. Will be in his country till the 24th.

  407. whitey August 31, 2010 9:04 pm

    all right, warrior fans are starting to showup and getting ready to rumble in less than 2 days.

  408. A-House August 31, 2010 9:05 pm


    I put in a badge request for Momotaro and Committed Road Warrior.

    domo arigato!

  409. LK August 31, 2010 9:06 pm

    A-OK A-House

  410. lil.s August 31, 2010 9:08 pm

    LK, haha im not 10 anymore……..but OK this time and this time only!

  411. LK August 31, 2010 9:13 pm


    It’s not the going to sleep part I worry about, it’s the waking up part.

  412. LizKauai (iPad) August 31, 2010 9:16 pm

    Hi lil.s !

  413. LK August 31, 2010 9:18 pm


    I sent him to bed.


  414. LizKauai (iPad) August 31, 2010 9:19 pm

    Warrior Jack requests for off-Oahu peeps are coming in:

    Me & my sister in FL


  415. LizKauai (iPad) August 31, 2010 9:20 pm

    413. 2nd gen Tsai-kos rock!

  416. Garret August 31, 2010 9:24 pm

    USC isn’t going to have a walk-through at Aloha Stadium on Wednesday.

    Offensive lineman Khaled Holmes (pinched nerve in neck) will start at right guard on Thursday. Holmes practiced with the first unit, and Lane Kiffin proclaimed him ready. Holmes declined to discuss the injury and deferred to Kiffin as per USC’s policy that players aren’t allowed to elaborate on injuries. … Kiffin canceled USC’s walk-through today at Aloha Stadium. Instead, the Trojans will conduct their walk-through at an area high school. … Abe Markowitz had surgery to repair a fractured foot on Tuesday, and Kiffin said the surgery went well. … Quarterback Mitch Mustain and tailback DJ Morgan (knee) are limited. … Tight end Xavier Grimble (ankle) is out.

  417. Steve August 31, 2010 9:28 pm

    USC’s walk-through probably at Kapolei, since they are staying at Ihilani.

  418. wafan August 31, 2010 9:30 pm


  419. wafan August 31, 2010 9:31 pm

    Thank you!

    Things are looking up — more results tomorrow.

  420. whitey August 31, 2010 9:32 pm

    Garret, how u doing??? been a while since i last saw kana and hope everything is ok with him. his favorite time of the year is starting.

  421. wafan August 31, 2010 9:33 pm

    LK . . .

    Is it too late to order a badge? If not, one for me please!

    If so, then, next time.

  422. LK August 31, 2010 9:34 pm


    re:390 – I always thought they should take football out of the equation since there are no equivalent for the ladies.

    It’s very unlikely that my 11 yr old son will be able to earn an athletic schollie in the sports he’s good at, but if he was a girl he might have a fighting chance.

    Then again, a wig and some make-up.

  423. wafan August 31, 2010 9:35 pm


    Another day tomorrow of waiting and explaining things.

  424. LK August 31, 2010 9:36 pm


    Can do, are you going to be at the tailgate?

  425. greenthumb August 31, 2010 9:42 pm

    Garret, two things. First, thanks for the Pac-10 numbers! Those and your others … well, it seems to me that is all the evidence one needs for an overhaul of the “amateur” athletic system, even though the BCS apparently is so large it trumps antitrust regulations.

    Second, your #312, since Boise is still a member of the WAC, the WAC should be asking how Boise possibly can justify being part of a MWC/C-USA fact-finding committee? Question for the legal folks, couldn’t the WAC claim conflict of interest and damages?

    I apologize if continuing this conversation close to game time is depressing. However, I also think that standing up for UH’s rights sends our student-athletes a positive message. An ethics lesson if nothing else.

  426. truefan August 31, 2010 9:44 pm

    I have faith in Jim Donovan, We are lucky to have him. In the end we will be just fine.

    Stand up Hawaii!!! Stand up against all the bullies. I was always taught not to grumble just stand up for what you believe in.


    USC and everybody else better be ready for a war, coz “here come the bows”!!!!

  427. d1島 August 31, 2010 9:46 pm


    We got ’em right where we want ’em.



    August 31st, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    USC’s walk-through probably at Kapolei, since they are staying at Ihilani.

  428. LizKauai (iPad) August 31, 2010 9:56 pm

    Haha #427

    Good news, wafan. Prayers for your mom continue.

  429. wafan August 31, 2010 9:56 pm

    LK . . .

    I am hopeful!

  430. LizKauai (iPad) August 31, 2010 9:57 pm

    truefan. Amen!

  431. Ralph August 31, 2010 10:03 pm

    Councilman Todd Apo follows the money, oh, not doing any investigative work for the city council, he took a job with Disney at Ihilani. I wonder if he had any conflict in helping them get permits and rezoning issues? Just asking, because lots of developers have to go through a maze to get their permits and zoning and it takes them a long time to complete the process.

  432. jm2375 August 31, 2010 10:16 pm


  433. madeinhawaii August 31, 2010 10:26 pm

    Okay, the Big West may have an moratorium regarding expansion, but does that bar them from adding Hawaii, as an independent in the first year, to their schedules?

  434. Mad Dog August 31, 2010 11:13 pm

    I’m cleaning out my DVR to make room for the USC game. I hope it will be a game that I will want to transfer to a DVD and replay for years to come.

    Go get them Warriors. Execute, execute, execute!

  435. free style bmx August 31, 2010 11:35 pm

    WONDERFUL Post.thanks for share..

  436. Ralph August 31, 2010 11:48 pm

    OT. A good article covering Mel deLaura and his S/C work ethic. I read a lot of bloggers who criticized Mel and embrace Tommy, but could it be that some of the players weren’t working their tails off and their performance reflected on Mel and not the player. I read on the SMU blog that quoted a player that Mel is doing a yeoman’s job this season, they feel a lot stronger than they were last season. Perception, Perception, who has the right philosophy, but if the player doesn’t work like the “beast” there is no gain.

  437. LizKauai (iPad) August 31, 2010 11:57 pm

    Nitey nite and sweet Warrior dreams!

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  439. Pomai September 1, 2010 12:47 am

    UH vs USC

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    56    –    13    Kekoa

    62    –    24    Ipu Man

  440. Kekoa (iPhone) September 1, 2010 1:32 am

    D-1 ~

    Re: #427


    Wait until SC tries to do a walk thru on the Ceded lands! Da Mana too strong for dem. Gone make ‘um run like brokedick dogs!

  441. al September 1, 2010 2:12 am

    i think my score was missed.

    i believe it was 45-28

  442. mctruck September 1, 2010 3:14 am

    truefan, your #426……”WARRIORS” sounds better.

  443. mctruck September 1, 2010 3:20 am

    Reading artices this morning from Utah newspapers and are the AGGIE fans in a foul mood over their administrations’ turning down an invite to the MWC!!

    I hope UH makes the right moves because seems like a total collapse/disintigration of the WAC.

  444. dcwarrior September 1, 2010 4:26 am

    Excuse me, let me challenge an assumption – that the current situation is JD’s fault, of all people. Why is the conference affiliation on JD’s plate in the first place? Look at all the players from the other schools – pretty much all of them are college presidents. College presidents represent the schools before the conferences and before the NCAA. Where’s UH’s President? Is this not an important enough issue for her to become knowledgeable, draw on her ties to other college presidents and take leadership?

  445. bstunna2002 September 1, 2010 4:27 am



  446. Ronnie September 1, 2010 4:40 am

    LizKauai (iPad):

    August 31st, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Warrior Jack requests for off-Oahu peeps are coming in:

    Me & my sister in FL


    Me too please!

  447. mctruck September 1, 2010 5:06 am

    dcwarrior…agree with you 100%, sir.

    It bothers me to no end to even hear a wisper from UH president.

  448. Garret September 1, 2010 5:07 am

    Excuse me, let me challenge an assumption – that the current situation is JD’s fault, of all people. Why is the conference affiliation on JD’s plate in the first place? Look at all the players from the other schools – pretty much all of them are college presidents. College presidents represent the schools before the conferences and before the NCAA. Where’s UH’s President? Is this not an important enough issue for her to become knowledgeable, draw on her ties to other college presidents and take leadership?


    This is a very, very good point. Look who has been leading BSU’s efforts to upgrade its facilities and get into the MWC…Pres. Kustra. UH’s leadership has been silent and they have NOT made a big push to increase funding for Athletics or upgrade UH to be attractive for other conferences. That type of thing is handled by Presidents, not ADs, at other Universities.

    I still remember when the Hawaii Legislature had the hearings with HF and Pres. McClain and they asked for UH to give them a list of projects that needed funding so the Legislature could provide the money for them…and Pres. McClain said that the Athletic Department would *not* provide a list and basically told the Legislature that UH didn’t want their money. With all of the public scrutiny then, and with the Legislature’s checkbook wide open, that was a perfect time for UH to get the money it needed to get Athletics to the next level!

    If anyone is looking for one of the overlooked key points in this mess, and how UH’s leadership does not support Athletics like other University Presidents do, that is a good example. I have spoken with members of the Senate and House and they talk about how they have offered to help UH multiple times in the past and UH has turned them down and CRITICIZED THEM FOR TRYING TO HELP.

    For all of the people blaming the Legislature, UH has waved the autonomy flag numerous times and refused their help. The Legislature cannot force UH to take extra money for Athletics or other things and the Legislature is really concerned that UH won’t accept any help from them. I doubt that JD would want to turn down the help…so, I point a finger at those above JD (President, Chancellor, Board of Regents).

  449. Garret September 1, 2010 5:09 am


    I’m fine and my family is well. I’m not sure how Uncle is doing, but I hope that he has a good football season to watch for UH this year.

  450. mctruck September 1, 2010 5:12 am

    AMEN!!!, Mr. Garret…..I’m with you on that point as well.

  451. Garret September 1, 2010 5:16 am


    The TV networks pay conferences based on how many people watch their games on TV. The BCS has nothing to do with that and there is no conspiracy behind it.

    The Big 10 is making crazy money because they started a TV network that people are paying to watch. The MWC started a similar TV network (mtn) a few years before the Big 10 started their network…the mtn has apparently lost money every year it has existed while the Big 10 TV network is projected to make between $400 million to $600 million per year by 2012. The *public* has voted with their wallets and the BCS has nothing to do with that.

    Schools in big states that have a lot of fans end up making the money. That is no surprise. A school like Nebraska brought huge value to the Big 10 TV Network even though they don’t have a big population in their state…because their team has won enough games that they have a national following. No conspiracy there…

  452. mctruck September 1, 2010 5:17 am

    Maybe…for future reference…UH might need a president/chancellor/board of regents, with athletic back grounds….nowdays, it’s the athletic department(s) that add wealth/financials to the institutions which they represent…not 100%, but a whole lot, especially with winnings programs.

  453. mctruck September 1, 2010 5:18 am

    Oooops!, (winnings=winning).

  454. Garret September 1, 2010 5:26 am


    When you think about it, UH’s President and Chancellor came from UC-Davis…a Big West school without football. Their closest ties to Universities are probably Big West schools. Maybe they aren’t sad about UH’s situation right now, maybe they are used to a focus on a smaller Athleic Department that is not a major emphasis for a University?

    Remember, *UH* chose to hire a President and Chancellor from UC-Davis. Does that indicate the direction the Board of Regents wants?

  455. Anonymous September 1, 2010 5:26 am

    The beginning is near ST … ? More like the end is here.

  456. Garret September 1, 2010 5:26 am

    I should say that UC-Davis is “without D-IA football”, not simply “without football”.

  457. d1島 September 1, 2010 5:41 am

    Great Morning All!


  458. d1島 September 1, 2010 5:44 am

    This seems to be a positive reaction by the WAC/UHAD

    But to fill out its football schedule BYU is expected announce an alliance with the WAC that will provide it with four to six opponents each season.

    UH is expected to become an almost annual opponent through 2020 on a home-and-home basis.

    A couple more agreements like that should help boost recruiting…

  459. d1島 September 1, 2010 5:46 am


    Asked a little earlier, how are the financial situations of the Big West schools, esp. regarding their athletic programs?

  460. haka September 1, 2010 5:46 am

    #455 anonymous

    Your post is proof. Na Koa awaits.

  461. d1島 September 1, 2010 5:49 am

    …agreements like this.

    “I’d love it (to continue),” Kiffin said. “I think it is great for our players’ families and for our fans. Even though it is distracting for our players and coaches going over there. I’d love to keep going back and forth.”

    UH athletic director Jim Donovan said he also hopes to continue the series that has been the Warriors’ top money-maker, thanks to three consecutive sellouts (1978, 1999 and 2005).

  462. protector September 1, 2010 5:51 am

    It really rubs me the wrong way that BYU is going to come up smelling like roses. They are instrumental (whether it’s directly or indirectly) in the WAC’s implosion, and does the further discourtesy of placing it’s other sports with the WCC. And now Benson assures that BYU won’t have any problems filling out their independent football schedule with a guarantee of 4 to 6 WAC teams? Classic. I know many UH fans would love a renewed rivalry, but these are NOT favorable terms. BYU can once again raid Hawaii’s recruiting coffers on the backs of this insane guarantee. Instead of serving the best interests of UH and the other WAC teams, Karl Benson has acted more like a pimp and he’s turned UH and others into you-know-whats. Bottom-line is BYU gets its cake and eats it too, with Karl Benson as facilitator. Grrrrrr!!!

  463. Selma Pomares September 1, 2010 5:52 am

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  464. d1島 September 1, 2010 5:56 am

    Run & Shoot vs. Tampa 2

    Amoeba front vs. West Coast

    WooHoo! Now we talkin’…

  465. djmitcho September 1, 2010 5:57 am


    UH 28 USC 27

  466. protector September 1, 2010 5:59 am

    d1 on 458,

    This agreement is NOT going to boost UH’s recruiting, but rather, is going to boost BYU’s recruiting in the islands BECAUSE local recruits will be assured they get to come back to the islands every other year. Once again, they’ll be able to raid our recruiting coffers as unfettered

    as they were before we stopped playing them.

  467. LizKauai (iPad) September 1, 2010 6:01 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

  468. d1島 September 1, 2010 6:01 am


    Hawaii can’t expect its Administrators to work magic without backing them up with winning efforts on the fields/courts/diamonds…especially, in the high profile games like the Sugar Bowl, Hawaii Bowl, and other nationally-televised events.


  469. Garret September 1, 2010 6:02 am

    So, BYU is getting the scheduling agreement with the WAC to fill out its football schedule as an independent…and they don’t have to have their other teams play in the WAC! They get all the benefit from both WAC and WCC and get to be indy in football with their own TV contract…

    At least UH benefits by playing BYU in football.

  470. d1島 September 1, 2010 6:02 am


    Play ’em, Beat ’em! That’s how you win recruiting wars!

  471. Garret September 1, 2010 6:04 am


    The Big West schools have been having their budgets squeezed, but they are in decent financial shape right now in terms of their Athletic Departments. Not having to support football (with its huge budgets and 85 scholarships that require 85 women’s scholarships) helps them a lot.

    The Big West school have been pinching every penny for travel costs, taking a bus and minimizing hotel stays…so, adding UH is difficult for them there. But at least travel to Hawaii is easy for them and UH will be saving a lot on travel if they are in the Big West so maybe some agreement can be made.

  472. d1島 September 1, 2010 6:06 am

    ….a string of 3-4 TD victories over BY-Who “almost annually” from now until 2020 will shape some thinking on the North, South, East and West shores of all the islands.

    It starts with winning….it starts tomorrow!

  473. Garret September 1, 2010 6:07 am

    One BIG problem with waiting too long for UH is that SJSU was a founding member of the Big West and sits right in their geographical footprint. Utah State and NMSU were also full members in the Big West recently, while UH only had a partial membership.

  474. Garret September 1, 2010 6:10 am

    Idaho and Utah State were Big West members until joining the WAC in 2005. NMSU was a Big West member until joining the Sun Belt in 2001–they joined the WAC in 2005.

  475. Garret September 1, 2010 6:19 am

    NMSU already got BYU for a home-and-home deal.

    According to a high ranking NMSU official, BYU and New Mexico State will meet on the football field in a home-and-home series beginning in 2011. The Aggies will visit the Cougars in 2011, with BYU coming to Las Cruces in 2012.

  476. d1島 September 1, 2010 6:20 am

    Thanks Garret.

    ….asked because I was checking out North Texas’ site and like you hear about the overall economy in Texas, it seems that things are pretty positive there, financially speaking…new athletic complex, new stadium, positive expectations from the local business community, etc.

    Is Texas St. in good shape as well?

    Maybe it might not be so bad to “hitch your wagon” to some fellas who got some money in their pockets.

    Should the WAC not even consider a couple of TX schools as members at this point?

  477. Pomai September 1, 2010 6:23 am

    UH vs USC

    0    –    66    roysan16

    2    –    0    OldDiver

    21    –    17    HNL

    21    –    14    gigi

    24    –    20    jm2375

    24    –    28    NCAA

    24    –    17    RedZone

    24    –    21    LizKauai

    25    –    24    A-House

    27    –    24    Steve

    28    –    27    djmitcho

    30    –    28    wafan

    30    –    47    Dennis Holloran

    30    –    58    Pride

    31    –    10    tom mui

    31    –    28    bstunna2002

    33    –    30    MP

    34    –    27    papajoe2

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  478. Garret September 1, 2010 6:28 am


    Both Texas State and UT-SA are in good financial shape and have they money to move up to D-IA. I don’t think that any California FCS school has the money to move up to D-IA…good for the Big West, not good for the WAC.

    North Texas wants C-USA and has repeatedly turned down the WAC. If the WAC wants to survive, they should give Texas State and UT-SA the word…but if La Tech gets its way into C-USA or any other team leaves (Utah State?), then the WAC is hurt severely without any other FCS schools appearing to have the money to move up.

  479. Garret September 1, 2010 6:32 am

    I assume that Benson was answering questions from Texas State fans on a Texas State message board because the WAC already plans to invite them. The trouble for UT-SA is that they haven’t even played a football game yet in D-IAA, so how quickly will they be ready for D-IA?

    The other problem is that for at least a year Texas State or UT-SA can be a WAC member but wins against them would count as wins against a D-IAA team. With too many teams like that, plus already scheduled D-IAA games and body-bag games, it is possible that no WAC team would have enough wins to qualify for a bowl game!

  480. d1島 September 1, 2010 6:35 am

    Well, San Antonio is known for, among other things, Dick’s Last Resort….


  481. Garret September 1, 2010 6:37 am


    It looks like the 3 sports that BYU has that are not WCC sports now will not be a problem.

    The WCC already has 5 softball schools…so, with BYU the WCC will become a softball conference and get an automatic NCAA spot.

    BYU has the option to join the MPSF for track and field, which is a better conference for track and field than the MWC.

    BYU also has the option to join the MPSF in swimming. By the way, schools can compete in swimming and track and field *without* being in a conference, the only important competitions are national ones and conference membership is not required.

    These are good tidbits to know in case UH goes independent and joins a conference for non-football sports and that conference doesn’t offer a sport that UH has right now.

  482. Garret September 1, 2010 6:41 am

    *Seven* Pac-10 schools compete in the MPSF track and field leagues…so, BYU would basically be joining the Pac-10 (and some WCC schools) for track and field.

    The nonrevenue sports would probably prefer the WCC over the MWC. I found this posted on several other sites:

    The MWC has ONE ranked soccer team right now (BYU #14). The WCC has 3. #5 Portland, #8 Santa Clara and #22 San Diego.

    Baseball. The WCC gets 2 bids about 60% of the time, and got three bids 5 years ago. The MWC has had 2 bids just twice in it’s 10 year history. Pepperdine of the WCC won the National Championship in baseball in 1992.

    Men’s Tennis: WCC is better, way better. Pepperdince won the National Championship in 2006.

    Women’s tennis: again, just look at NCAA appearances. WCC is better.

    Same with men’s and women’s golf. Pepperdine won a national championship in 1997.

    Speaking of Pepperdine, they are #1 in the Director’s Cup standings for D-1 schools without football. In the MWC, the only school that would make the top 25 if they didn’t play football would be BYU.

  483. chopsueyboy September 1, 2010 6:43 am

    Did I hear it correctly on the BC Show that USC is staying at Ihilani Hotel?

    Life must be hard for those under probation.

  484. Shoko September 1, 2010 6:54 am

    Bah! Karl Benson, upon legal advice of WAC counsel, decided not to appear on the BC show this morning. However will give a press conference sometime today in Honolulu.

    Anyway, morning folks!

  485. TYaiea September 1, 2010 6:59 am

    Steve, re your #380, if you didn’t get an answer yet. The way the BCS is set up; ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 10 and SEC champs automatically qualify for BCS Bowl. Notre Dame,the only independant, has an automatic berth if it is in the top 8 of the final BCS standing.

  486. Shoko September 1, 2010 7:04 am

    You know, I think BC knew Benson wasn’t going to show up and was just trying to attract listeners to his show. Sort of like the Oakland Raiders stating Colt would be playing against Dallas. Dang, what a shyster!

  487. TYaiea September 1, 2010 7:07 am

    Pomai….UH 41 USC 38 IMUA NA KOA

  488. whitey September 1, 2010 7:11 am

    Good morning Tsaikos. Have a great day!! Get ready to stomp!!!!

  489. Steve September 1, 2010 7:17 am


    Thank you for responding. With BYU going independent, will that hold true for them also?

  490. Pomai September 1, 2010 7:24 am

    Wow TYaiea you lookin for some fireworks yeah? Footballs in da air, OH YEAH!!!!!

  491. Garret September 1, 2010 7:25 am

    BYU has never played in a BCS bowl game, so I don’t think that was much of a consideration for them. If they are ranked in the top 8 they will probably get an invitation…but they would keep all the money instead of giving most of it to all the non-AQ conferences.

  492. Jack Flash September 1, 2010 7:28 am


    WARRIORS- 35

    usc- 24

    Huge rainbow over Kailua earlier- good sign.


  493. SIU September 1, 2010 7:31 am

    Any further word about Colt Brennen, and the Raiders?

  494. greenthumb September 1, 2010 7:34 am

    #451 Garret, you are correct. I was so frustrated last night that I did not write at all clearly what I was trying to say. Which is that the BCS elite have such a power base — fans, money, and contracts and agreements assuring more of the same — that the gap between the haves and have-nots continues to grow. The role, to me, of the NCAA should include ensuring that all schools that want to field teams have the opportunity to be competitive.

    What I am trying to say is that the structure now is that to field a BCS-type football team, one almost has to be in a conference (and yes Notre Dame and a few others are the exceptions that prove the rule). So therefore if one conference in essence guts another, there is harm to the remaining schools. And this needs to be looked at. I am not sure whether that examination includes determination of damages, and/or provision for members of wounded conferences in terms of scheduling, etc.

    What the BCS haves are not considering as they focus on protecting their own interests is that there is not a finite dollar amount or fan base for collegiate sports. There is potential for growth, for themselves and others. I am leaving aside the intangibles of the benefits of athletics and school pride and alumni spirit and raising a community’s overall educational level and “growing” the various schools’ academic aspects, since right now these folks are looking at prestige and $$.

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  496. 808ike September 1, 2010 7:42 am




  497. 808ike September 1, 2010 7:43 am

    Garret for PRESIDENT of UH!

  498. 808ike September 1, 2010 7:44 am

    Lots of topics to discuss at T-gate.

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  501. haroldwah September 1, 2010 8:06 am

    Want to save the WAC? Make Dick Tomey the commish. Go WARRIORS!!!!!!!!!

  502. Anonymous September 1, 2010 8:27 am

    BYU just threw you a bone Hawaii they will play you in 2011-12 as you wallow in your world of mediocrity in the WAC the worst conference in America.

  503. Steve September 1, 2010 8:29 am

    Starting in 2011, winning the WAC Conference Championship, in any sport, really does not mean anything now.

  504. Anonymous September 1, 2010 8:33 am

    If you beg Hawaii maybe Boise State,Fresno State and Nevada will let you play them ….at their place of course.

  505. G (China) September 1, 2010 8:39 am

    In terms of football/athletic culture, I have been impressed by those in the south. I’ve met doctors, principals, teachers, and so many others that their way of cordially greeting others is to talk about how their community’s (high school or university’s) athletic program’s doing. It doesn’t matter if the team is FCS subdivision or the BCS’s SEC school. Athletics is just embraced here in a way that is part of the fabric of life there.

    I think all the grass root initiatives that Coach Mack and others are doing including Kazz and Pomai with softball is how other’s see you as one that adds value to athletic conversations. I do commend those who tries their best to see tangible results. I heard from a friend who went to the men’s camp that it was so positive and now he’s even more of a fan.

  506. hawaii808 September 1, 2010 8:40 am

    anonynmous what’s your beef?

  507. Garret September 1, 2010 8:44 am

    BYU just announced their ESPN deal and a 6-year scheduling deal with Notre Dame. Notre Dame, Texas, Utah, Utah State, UH, Oregon State, other WAC teams to fill the spots they cannot fill…they replaced the bottom of the MWC with some WAC teams in their schedule and their top games seem to be upgraded–Notre Dame, Texas, Oregon State will probably bring decent ratings.

    BYU has entered into an eight-year partnership with ESPN to televise every home football game, it was announced Wednesday.

    At a press conference announcing the independence of their football program, the Cougars also announced a six-game series with Notre Dame that will be completed by 2020.

  508. Garret September 1, 2010 8:45 am

    The worry I have now is that ESPN is rapidly running out of time slots. They already have deals with the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, WAC, and now BYU…

  509. Garret September 1, 2010 8:50 am

    I forgot to mention that ESPN also has first choice from C-USA. ESPN’s deal with BYU is for mostly Saturday games with an occasional Thursday game, so it doesn’t affect the WAC’s Friday night time slot.

    ESPN is letting BYU re-broadcast every football game once the ESPN broadcast is over. It would be great if UH could get that same deal with ESPN–K5 could show the replay right after the game ends. But this would kill the PPV deal, so UH would lose out on that $2.5 – $2.8 million.

  510. Steve September 1, 2010 8:52 am

    The one thing going for Hawaii, when it comes to ESPN, is the time zone Hawaii is in. There is no other school in our time zone. So Hawaii could still strike a deal with ESPN, so all their home games are televised, also. But only if their home schedule is upgraded.

  511. Steve September 1, 2010 8:53 am


    ESPN can pay Hawaii alot more then any PPV deal.

  512. G (China) September 1, 2010 8:58 am

    I remember when Pac 10 was trying to be the Pac 16 that one of the compelling reason that Big 10 didn’t make the shift was the fact that people took into consideration the students, traditions, and many other factors that reflect the community.

    I do believe HI is unique in that

    1) we have the most Div1 athletes per capita

    2) we have NFL ties through the Pro Bowl, tons of NFL players, perceived understanding that we produce some of the greatest linemen (although those in HI already know this)

    3) we have some of the best athletes in the world that include Olympians, Golf Pros, Surfers, Collegiate, Prep, Little Leaguers, etc.

    4) a great environment for sports, which includes considering doing sports the right way…safe, focused, considerate for the community…much more than weather.

    At some point, we have to market our strengths in a more prominent way.

  513. Anonymous September 1, 2010 9:08 am


    Emergency Phone: 808-842-2600

    Someone call there’s a sinking ship in Manoa.

  514. Anonymous September 1, 2010 9:14 am

    Get those tickets for Portland State early it could be a sell out.

  515. chawan_cut September 1, 2010 9:15 am

    this is the longest day of the year!

  516. Dennis Halloran September 1, 2010 9:29 am

    9,12,3,6.9 leaves us 12PST

  517. Pied September 1, 2010 9:34 am

    Don’t know what ANON’s problem is, but there are enough weirdos on the blog that might take his #513 seriously.

    Raising this kind of alarm is not only stupid but dangerous. It is also a violation of law.

  518. tom mui September 1, 2010 9:40 am

    Good morning Hawaii!

    I don’t know Karl Benson at all. I don’t know whether he is a good commissioner (quiet but effective) or just someone that is a perfect example of the “Peter” principle.

    However, when there comes a time when there is such a loss of confidence in leadership – justified or not – it is time to step down and let someone else lead the troops.

  519. A-House September 1, 2010 9:48 am

    Hello, ST, will you be posting a new one soon????

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