That’s rich

It was 1999 when former UH basketball player Micah Kroeger and his future wife walked into our sports department and noticed my desktop computer.

“It doesn’t have a mouse,” she said.

Then she noticed: “The screen only has two colors.”

There was no need to mention that the computer did not have access to the Internet.

And that was the end of ignorant bliss. We were technologically poor.

The Rainbow Warriors are learning how the Pac-12 lives while training this week at the University of Utah. It was three years ago when the Utes were in the Mountain West Conference, of which UH now competes. It was 1992 when the Rainbow Warriors had better facilities than the Utes. And that’s when, ahem, the Ute-turn began. Donations. The Winter Olympics. More donations.The money was used to build, then expand, and expand some more.

There is consolation. After touring Utah’s facilities, a UH official noted: “At least we have nice weather all year long.” Indeed.

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Thanks for joining us. Let’s begin our tour.





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Here’s a cafeteria in the athletic complex


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Here is a “fuel” station for student-athletes:





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Each position group has its own meeting room. Here’s the defensive line’s room:



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The players’ lounge:







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Here’s the yoga room. Yoga is mandatory for student-athletes:


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The second-best perk — a barber shop for student athletes:



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And the top perk — Parking!


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Whoops. Almost forgot the indoor practice facility.


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That’s the end of the tour, folks. It’s time to wash off the envy:



  1. MU November 5, 2013 3:07 am

    Go warriors

  2. azwarrior22 November 5, 2013 3:23 am

    Dos…go Warriors !! Beat Navy.

  3. Stephen Tsai November 5, 2013 3:47 am

    Look forward to seeing Niumatalolo and Jasper.

  4. wafan November 5, 2013 3:55 am

    Good morning!

  5. wafan November 5, 2013 3:55 am

    Ahhhhhh . . .

    dreams . . .

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  12. Slugger November 5, 2013 4:11 am

    Good morning, gang!

    ST, is Lewis Walker still there? I don’t think he graduated yet. Good kid.

    Nice facilities. Stay warm.


  13. Stephen Tsai November 5, 2013 4:28 am

    Too late on the warm part. It’s snowing now

  14. Luki November 5, 2013 4:38 am

    Dang we got a long way to go…

  15. Whats up November 5, 2013 4:49 am

    Holy! That is some nice athletic facilities that Utah has. UH has a long way and a lot of donations to go before getting facilities like that!

  16. Stephen Tsai November 5, 2013 4:59 am

    I forgot to take a picture of the foosball table.

  17. Buffoman November 5, 2013 5:13 am

    If Ben Jay can pull it off (we don’t need an indoor practice facility, so minus that) they should erect a bronze statue of him fronting the athletic complex. It may not be impossible, but I’d have to say next to impossible, even with winning football, basketball, etc., seasons.

    I don’t believe that folks in the islands think of their university in that way. There’s just not that “legacy” among the population.

  18. My take November 5, 2013 5:22 am

    The state should build UH a new stadium for UH and let them keep all the sales for the athletic dept. There’s big profit in that $8.25 beer.

  19. Old School Dave November 5, 2013 5:25 am

    Thanks for the pics, Stephen. Well, that’s Pac-12 football. But, look at USU’s facilities, and you can see where UH has fallen behind, big time. Might be harsh, but local people have the opinion of:

    “UH no need fancy facilities. Dats just an excuse for not winning. Look at Kahuku. Dey win without fancy kine facilities.”

    Sad to think that UH used to pretty much own Utah back in the 80s and early 90s in the old WAC before Ron McBride took over.

  20. Wes'side Warrior November 5, 2013 5:26 am

    Morning, Gang!

    Wow! What a Ute-turn!

    Surely whets the appetite!

    Maybe some kope today…

  21. st. anthony trojan November 5, 2013 5:36 am

    Yea their complex is very nice.. but you know.. .we have the $bucks$ here… just that .. it seems like there is no one there at UH that is actively going after it…. we have no one to do that specifically.. Mr. Jay is not the one.. he has to much on his place to under take something like that on a daily basis… and that is what it will take.. have to have some one full time doing that.. donations.. raising funds.. etc..

    We have so much… possibilities here.. and a good bunch of ..very good people.. here willing to give if done right… and consistently….and approached…. Here on the Big Island.. there are so many millionaires.. that live here .. not sure if part time or full time..but I am sure they would be open to be part of the “being a good community citizen group” …Just a full time effort is what we need right now…overseeing all of the UH Sports.. is to much for one man .. really..
    he needs a right hand… that will take over the fund raising part of it…and of course he would be the lead man….

    We have a sitting president in the white house.. and we should have had a fund raiser there..
    selling for UH sports… we have very many big hitters there also.. cuz I know Mr. Inouye.. has a ton of friends that would help.. if someone has just asked.. etc.. You know a 5,000 dollar a place dinner with the football team and our reps there and the president would not be to much to ask.. really.. I am sure they all would have helped to sell tickets ..etc.. now is to late of course.. but if someone had gotten on it.. 2 years ago.. this would have been a good way to raise the much needed funds… lost opportunity… and that is where .. that fund raising person would come in…always thinking and planning.. way way ahead…. and plans and promos to sell season tickets… to fill the stadium.. even if no bodies in the stands… most of the seats would be filled..if the team does good.. then people would start to use them tickets… is not to much to ask… just need a brilliant mind work on it full time..and also for the other paying sports…unfortunately…. no one fills that void now…and wasted opportunities pass by daily…cuz of lack of interest..lack of time… and lack of will and community….

    You know.. Koa Anuenue…or what they are called now… (used to be that when I used to
    attend the luncheon at chuck wagon) could … hire.. and give a salary say of 70 K… and no secretary.. just hope someone will donate a small office.. and maybe a cell phone.. etc.. and start.. then .. give specific instructions… here is ur bank account number.. no finds in there for the year end of your contract.. you are given ur walking papers.. if you are good and show progress.. a certain percentage goes for office staff etc….no cronies… the bottom line is the bank account…. no funds.. no pay.. move on .. dude… hire sum one else.. who can and will do the job.. I am sure there are hundred of people that would give ideas on how and what is needed to raise funds… etc..for me. i have more then a dozen my self.. that I know will work.. and use the community.. not just Oahu for Christ sake.. there are so many on the outer Islands also.. that feel sports at UH is also part of them.. and bleed green.. those are the forgotten souls that are always being sort of left out and forgotten.. (me in kona).. Gosh Maui is a rich community…there must be hundreds there that would help if contacted… of course Lanai.. is a very rich island now.. so I am sure.. that is being worked on… but lesser “Millionaires” all over these Islands…. can and will support…sum one needs to.. contact them…It can be done…We could fill that stadium for every home game next year..chow or no chow.. and it would not take to much work.. to do it… just have to reach out…people are waiting for the call to help.. and someone needs to plant a seed in their mind with a plan…and…what plan do we have in place now…maybe there is one ..but I have not heard of ne so far.. .. ne way.. me needs to get off my box here..and hope . some one does something…. to reduce our losses in sports… and get some positive vibes again..

  22. K-Bay November 5, 2013 5:44 am

    1992. UH had Better Facilities?… I thought UH was usually Closer to Bottom 10?
    There was No Sustained Long-Term, Quality Build-Up (like Utah’s?)
    A Few Buildings: Admin/Pool, Baseball, SSC, Ching …’New’ Portables?
    Meanwhile, A New Upper Campus Building Planned for Every One in Place
    Are “They” even close to self-sufficient or “Breaking Even”?
    WHERE Does the University invest its CIP Funds? ROI?

    …and the Weather, every Five to Ten minutes on the News…
    INSTEAD of Sports (One of the Real Socio-Economic Drivers….)

  23. A-joe November 5, 2013 5:45 am

    Gmorning Tsaikos!

    That’s a beautiful facility.

    We shouldn’t feel discouraged but rather, motivated at the possibilities that lay ahead.


  24. Stephen Tsai November 5, 2013 5:52 am

    It was after UH won the Holiday Bowl in 1992, that a bunch of schools — New Mexico, Utah, etc. — started to pour a lot of money into upgrades. It also was shortly after that, UH stopped taking Prop 48 kids.

  25. Stephen Tsai November 5, 2013 5:59 am

    My friend’s brother-in-law was a pastor on Molokai. Great and enthusiastic congregation, but not cash rich. Quite the opposite. But Molokai people being Molokai people, they gave what they could. Sometimes it meant paying tithe with fruit or vegetables.
    A community is about its people.
    Every person is important and can be a contributor, if they so wish.

  26. lava November 5, 2013 6:33 am

    I hope someone on the team pushes Chow out of the plane door. That would make for a good road trip.

    We’re due for a mutiny from the players. Even the Vikings know when to say when.

  27. Ipu Man November 5, 2013 6:35 am

    Heck, it all looks like plywood and aluminum furniture.
    We can get that stuff from City Mill and toss in a couple of
    pretty pillows from Ross, and UH can compete…

  28. Bigislandkurt November 5, 2013 6:48 am

    Aloha A Joe!
    Hard to get excited about (non) possibilities. Hawaii just won’t pour that kind of money into massive facility upgrades like Utah. We get too many of the “work with what you get……go into battle with the army you have” kind of folks in Hawaii. In short, no more vision.

    If this mindset does not change, then we just might have to prepare for the inevitable — not-so-great possibilities in the Football Championship SUBdivision. Great Northwest Conference, here we come!


  29. Old Diver November 5, 2013 6:49 am

    I recall Bob Wagner introduced a vision of where the University of a Hawaii needs to be and how to get there. Instead of increasing the football budget to increase revenues the administration cut the football budget to pay for Title XI. It’s of course a bit more complicated than that but many of the same things June Jones did to promote the UH brand were first introduced by Wagner.

  30. whitey November 5, 2013 6:52 am

    good morning tsaikos. have a good day.

  31. Old Diver November 5, 2013 6:52 am

    So once again UH is at a critical crossroads. By requiring the athletics department to balance it’s budget the BOR is forcing Ben Jay to cut the budget.

  32. Old Diver November 5, 2013 7:02 am

    Not taking into consideration his record Norm Chow is neither the long term or long term solution. Unlike coordinators or position coaches the head coach is responsible for the teams and schools brand. While Chow believes coaching for him is a breeze (many disagree) a great portion of his job as head coach is to market and promote the team and create the BRAND. His dislike for this leaves the athletic department in a financial black hole.

  33. Manoa2 November 5, 2013 7:08 am

    You need to go to Salt Lake City and see what is happening there.

    Salt Lake City has been transformed over the last ten years from a small sleepy city into a major business and tech center which has been attracting major companies looking to relocate. Strong Universities in Utah and BYU, young educated population, inexpensive land, cheaper housing than places like the Silicon Valley, friendly government, federal research and development contracts and grants, and a growing local culture of entrepreneurs in growing tech fields.

    It is now a place many companies once headed to the Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, or Seattle have chosen to relocate to. Adobe, tech start-ups flush with venture capital money, venture capital firms, investment firms like Goldman Sachs with several thousand employees, and many financial service companies have moved there.

  34. hossana November 5, 2013 7:15 am

    I’m glad this article was written with photos to exemplify what it takes to run a first class program but the local yokels here don’t see the big picture and can only talk about firing the coach etc…when it takes a commitment in monies and fan support to bolster a program on the level of a Division 1 program. People think its easy to recruit and will make ignorant statements saying,”well, June Jones did it” yeah, well, even Jones was disgusted with the facilities etc… soaps in the shower publicity….in order to run a first class program and compete on the level of expectations we all want the football team to be on then we need to support the program with monies and attendance……whether we are winning or losing…..just sick and disgusted with people making comments about firing the coach etc….these are people that are losers in life..nothing more and nothing less.

  35. Old Diver November 5, 2013 7:15 am

    UH right now needs a head football coach with Bob Coolen’s mentality and June Jone’s vision. Norns Chow is not that guy.

  36. hossana November 5, 2013 7:18 am

    Unfortunately, comments by people like no. 35 exemplify the mentality of local yokels who just don’t get it.

  37. Buffoman November 5, 2013 7:33 am

    Reading today’s paper regarding the impending deficit, I am of the opinion that the issue of declining attendance goes much deeper than the current win less situation (although it cannot be denied that at this juncture it makes a bad situation worse). The trend has been bad even when we were winning.

    Something changed back at the end of the Tomey era and continued slowly during the Wagner term that had fans not as engaged. Did that have to do with the demographic make up of the population that once supported the program? Was it television coverage of college games (over saturation), new electronic devices that took interests elsewhere?

    Was it apathy by the institution’s leaders to athletics? Did the popularity of the athletic department’s body of work (Fab 5, Les Murakami’s Rainbow Baseball, UH Football, etc.) push the academic decision makers to move the attention and financial support away from that area and attempt to regain the spot light on that end of the overall system?

    If you look at the decision making on College Hill, it seems that there seems to be a period where it was more about glitz (more new buildings) and less about strengthening the foundation and controlled growth (a lack of attention to facilities maintenance thus a huge issue to contend with at this point).

    One of the easy target could have been starving the popular, but unwanted step child…athletics to move the attention away from poor overall decision making at the top for the overall health of the entire institution.

  38. Papololoco November 5, 2013 7:56 am

    I hear alot of people keep say that UH can’t afford to buy out Chow but it’s getting to a point where they might not have a choice. From a financial standpoint, UH cannot afford to keep Chow for another season. If we go 0-12 this year then I don’t see any other option but to take the loss and buy him out. If Chow comes back next year then this program will be in serious trouble for sure. Chow has $1.2 mil left on his contract after this year but the financial losses next year could double that amount. And now I read today that UH could lose $1 mil. this year. If this continues then some sports programs may have to be scrapped just to cover the losses, sad.

  39. fredc November 5, 2013 7:58 am

    Champagne taste – beer budget…no need to say more!

  40. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 8:10 am

    38. Watch what you say… you might get mistaken for “crying” from Norm Chows relatives on these boards..

  41. hapahaoleboy November 5, 2013 8:15 am

    RE: #37

    The average home attendance in the 2007 season was about 43,000. The last two games were televised and were sold out. That was our undefeated season under JJ. Winning solves a lot of problems with attendance.

  42. wow November 5, 2013 8:15 am

    the cry baby is back

  43. wow November 5, 2013 8:25 am

    jeezyxx for a person who likes to talk $hit, you sure can’t take it when people give it right back to you…..

  44. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 8:30 am

    43. For a girl who changes his SN every minute… you’re tough…

  45. Buffoman November 5, 2013 8:33 am

    #41 True. I don’t think we can go undefeated every year and it has been 6 years since that occurrence. Coach Mac won, took UH to bowls and could not sell out the stadium. Folks blamed him for the dwindling attendance. Wags was very successful but during his tenure attendance waned from what it once regularly enjoyed.

    Bringing back Rolo, Mack, JJ, or whoever may not and would probably not be the antidote that would once again fill the stadium to the 44k level that it once enjoyed on a fairly consistent basis. For the sake of the sport we seem to all love, I hope I am wrong when UH starts to win again (w/whoever at the helm)

    All I was trying to say is that the issue is probably bigger than simply winning, although as I qualified, this losing record does not help the situation.

  46. tom mui November 5, 2013 8:34 am


    In #34 HOSSANA wrote: “it takes a commitment in monies and fan support to bolster a program on the level of a Division 1 program.”

    We seem to be waiting for some millionaire to donate moneys. Perhaps we should throw in a few $ ourselves.

    Today I made a small donation of a couple of shekels to a specific program – small to be sure – but at least it was done to bolster a program and if more people would do so, it would be better than saying let Case or X do it.

    And I drive a 2003 car!

  47. boolakanaka November 5, 2013 8:48 am

    16–ST…maybe we can borrow one from University Cue?

  48. Kili November 5, 2013 8:49 am

    Does Hawaii truely have the financial desire/ econmics of scale to compete in big- time college football. Honestly, I emphatically believe not!

  49. PurpleMaple November 5, 2013 8:49 am

    I just wonder if UH missed the window and there is no catching up. Well not unless someone shows up at the doorstep with $100 million… start things off.

  50. Boulderdude November 5, 2013 8:51 am

    From todays post the reality is the problem is much worse than the football coach. All talk and no action pretty much sums up the state of affairs in UH sports for the last 25 years.

    A true visionary walks his talks and gets things done. how long has the story been going on about the stadium, the facilities, on and on. Who in the right mind would want to come to Hawaii to coach?

    We need action. Who are the top 100 wealthiest people in Hawaii? start campaigning like a politician. 8 hours a day on the phone begging. Get to work. It’s the only way to turn a problem into an opportunity. DO iT NOW!

    Stop the talk story. DO SOMETHING NOW!

  51. Rite80 November 5, 2013 8:52 am


    Interesting that you resort to calling anyone who believes a change is needed a local yokel, yet you are content with mediocrity at the head coaching position.

  52. wow November 5, 2013 9:00 am

    lol, thank you Jeezyxx, you just proved my point ….

  53. boolakanaka November 5, 2013 9:01 am

    Aloha all–and those were impressive facilities–period. If we are to legitimately compete, aspiration always has to be meet with a requisite amount of physical action.

    33- oh, and just as clarification, while certainly SLC has made a profound business change in the last two decades, the amount of Goldman staff actually located in SLC is closer to about 1200, give or take some. By and large, it is most of their backroom operations and administration, eg Human Capital Management, Investment Management, Operations, Services and Technology. (we just did some consulting for them).

  54. wow November 5, 2013 9:02 am

    big talker, no alas

  55. UH Alumni November 5, 2013 9:08 am

    No. 24 – ST

    What is the current status of accepting the pro. 48 athletes and what was the decision to not accept them in 1992 and who made that decision?

  56. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 9:10 am

    55… Ok Chows grandson… you keep enjoying the Ls…. 4 more coming your way

  57. Papololoco November 5, 2013 9:13 am

    #51.. There are a lot of good coaches out there who would love to come to UH. First, the UHAD have to break themselves from this “Hawaii ties” mentality. There are a lot of great coaches that don’t have Hawaii ties but should be considered for the job.

  58. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 9:13 am

    52. Fans like that are why Hawaii is where we are… They have 0 passion and accept the laid back life style of losing…. They take no offense to a coach that has run down a once proud program into the ground… They constantly make excuses for everything… Hawaii has never had good facilities…. Yet we’ve won and had good football teams before…

    Were the losers for wanting better though….

  59. Papololoco November 5, 2013 9:20 am

    I think we all just asumed that Chow was gonna be a great HC. We all (especially the UHAD) need to swallow our pride and admit that we got this one wrong. “Assumption is the mother of all F-ups”

  60. Bryson November 5, 2013 9:23 am

    Fans are just as much to blame for the running down of the program…Remember all those who wanted Mack fired? Well they got their wish and here we are people didn’t wanna give Mack enough time to build depth and recruit and here we are…People want instant gratification and truth be told we were spoiled with JJ at the helm…Fans want better facilities,bigger recruiting budgets etc etc…Well nows the time to put up or shut up,support the team when they’re down not only when they’re up….that’s what is truly wrong with Hawaii’s fan base too many fair weather band wagoners and too many people with an opinion who aren’t willing to step up to the plate

  61. boolakanaka November 5, 2013 9:23 am

    55–Was that intended for me? If so, how you contribute to a program and university should be a private matter, that said, I made a 5 figure donation to Richardson Law School and have stated publicly I would pony a grand, and find 10 other alum to do the same. Unfortunately, I am all alas…..

  62. Pete Jek November 5, 2013 9:36 am

    While quality of facilities does not necessarily correlate with quality of play on the field, it does reflect the quality of support to the program – from the fanbase, alumni, community, and private sector. Maybe a 0-8 record is exactly what Hawaii fans deserve. Mediocrity is the most they can wish for when people don’t put their money where their mouth is.

  63. boolakanaka November 5, 2013 9:36 am

    While many folks have deep ties with Hawai’i, or claim it as home the actually richest person in the state is Jay Shilder, at about 750 million net worth.

    About Jay Shidler

    Jay ShidlerJay H. Shidler is the founder and managing partner of The Shidler Group, a Honolulu-based commercial real-estate investment company.

    Shidler, the son of an Army officer, lived in many of the world’s most famous U.S. military communities before arriving in Hawai‘i. He attended the University of Hawai‘i at Mānoa and graduated in 1968 with a bachelor’s of business administration degree. While attending UH, Shidler worked part-time for several real-estate firms making small but successful real estate investments. In 1969, he was commissioned as an officer in the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers. He left military service in 1971 to form The Shidler Group in Honolulu.

    Shidler purchased his first building, the Polynesian Plaza, in Hawai‘i in 1972 and quickly expanded to the mainland with acquisitions in Santa Barbara and Seattle. By the late 1980s, The Shidler Group had 12 offices on the mainland, including San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York City.

    Thus, the people who I think we most associate having the fattest wallets, (ie two particular Punahou alums) do not legally claim Hawai’i as their home state for a variety of reasons, taxes being at the forefront.

  64. Fan November 5, 2013 9:37 am

    I actually don’t believe that coach Chow cannot get the job done. I do think his experience is in programs with three deep superior athletes and in a coordinator role. So coming to a program without those sort of athletes requires a different approach. You can’t just impose your will by running up the middle because you are bigger, stronger, faster. Also being a head coach requires a different orientation. Say what you will about coach Mack but he was smart enough to put bright young coordinators in key positions and (and least give the appearance) of letting them do the heavy lifting. Maybe it’s too late for coach Chow to get up to speed. But he is a smart man and doesn’t seem to enjoy losing anymore than the rest of us. Or maybe Marcie Greenwood should be offensive coordinator. She was apparently the strongest advocate for coach Chow’s hire. How come she gets off so easily. I say put her in the booth. At least it would add some comedy to this painful season.

  65. The Pillar November 5, 2013 9:41 am

    In a losing streak like this, which no one likes btw, you see the character of the players if they can stick together.

    But you also see the character of the fans. The ones with high egos and low character are in full view. Many of the people posting comments here have low character. Up to you. Your karma. And if you’re the troll type and wishing bad on the program because you have a personal hatred for someone or something connected with the football program, that’s even worse. It will come back to you. The universe always maintains a balance. People who do bad things will get bad fortunes. Let that be them. Don’t let that be you. Wishing bad on someone that you don’t like is the same thing. Doesn’t matter the reason. Karma is all inclusive.

    Lots of people not doing their jobs. Politicians, Board of Regents, etc. Going back to at least the Von Appen days. BCS started in 2008. UH is not part of the corrupt money grab, but what was done since then to move the program forward? Other non-BCS schools have found money to upgrade. Why not us?

    Core issue. Hawaii football program is struggling because the fan base is struggling.
    “I’ll only support the football team if…” I’ve seen that comment on here many times. That’s the #1 problem. Fans have to hold politicians accountable. Politicians have to hold Board of Regents accountable. Something like that anyway. No accountability so blame the last pieces in the chain…the coaches and the AD. That’s the formula for failure, folks. It starts with the fans.

    Change the coach without changing anything else means the program doesn’t move forward and the program’s struggles continue.

    Champagne taste – beer budget…I like that, fredc! Touche

  66. Jonj November 5, 2013 9:42 am

    34 Hossana do u think if somehow people donated 10mill we would just start winning?? The fact of the matter is JJ and Mack both won with much less. Btw Mack cost us 1.2mil a year and took a pay cut right?? How much is chow really costing us?? 500k plus -4.5k season ticket renewals + -regular ticket sales + -payper view + -rainbowtique sales = I’m guessing close to 2mill and still counting.

  67. Leahi2 November 5, 2013 9:48 am

    We all thought that “COACHING IS A BREEZE” would turn our program around. Big talk! Then why is our offense described as predictable. Also why then is our offense looking like the Jayvee playing against the Varsity? You guys are proud of this? I seems that Tommy Lee didn’t want any part of this. And again what about the Aaron Price incident? So we have an offense that has form but ineffective. So every time anyone posts a critical comment, the “COACHING IS A BEEZE” backers cry foul. However a lot of these criticisms are, and should be, a call for reform. Breeze needs to think about a PARADIGM SHIFT. The UofH pays him big money for this. Yes, we don’t care for the status quo. Now as I post this, there must be numerous Breezy relatives out there on the warpath and against me.

  68. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 9:50 am

    61. Yeah this team sure has a lot of depth from what Mack built… RIGHT!!!! Whats this now???? Which horrible coach do we want more???

    How about lets get the right people in charge for once?? Lets bring in someone who knows how to win…. bring in someone that can make Hawaii football fun to watch so people want to pay to see them play….

    It’s sad to see a coach take a 6 win team down to a 3 win to a 0 win and people think he is rebuilding… Even sadder to see people that say they care about the program abut accept failure…

  69. cocobean November 5, 2013 9:51 am

    boola. You’re a grad of WSRSL? Right now.

    Don’t think #55 was meant for you. He and jz33 have an on going debate on “taste great”, “less filling.” Neither side will budge from their viewpoint and each response gets louder and louder kinda like the commercial.

  70. primo123 November 5, 2013 9:52 am


    Wasnt Rock Freitas involved in getting Chow?

  71. primo123 November 5, 2013 9:52 am

    Is it “Chiao” time yet?

  72. jm2375 November 5, 2013 9:53 am

    boola – #54 – “Human Capital Management”? Is that the new euphemism for Human Resources? Is that what their employees are to them? Just capital? No wonder they were in so much trouble.

  73. primo123 November 5, 2013 9:57 am

    hmmm….. I wonder why Jim Donovan didnt think Chow was “right” for the job??????

  74. Pete Jek November 5, 2013 9:59 am

    What is constructive about bitching and moaning about the team’s performance up to this point? I dont see the benefit of belittling and insulting the coaches and players. Want change? E-mail the AD and the Chancellor and express your concerns. Heck – e-mail, call, text, mail a letter, and send them a tweet all at the same time. But to whine and whine and whine again and again does absolutely nothing to help fix the problem. UH cannot afford to keep losing fans. There isn’t a large enough base of loyal fans to begin with. But to sour the mood further only exacerbates the problem. What player would want to play for fans who act like this?

  75. jr November 5, 2013 10:03 am

    give chow 1 more year.who knows he is human god gives every one chances .thats what jesus did for our sins.he needs his type of players to trust his coaching with his staff.

  76. cocobean November 5, 2013 10:03 am

    #72. That’s original. Think jeezy33 would buy a couple of those shirts.

    BTW. Shot some pool on Sunday and wore my CHOW TIME t-shirt just to see what kind of response I’d get. The group I played with and some of the regulars there all had a good laugh. Good natured ribbing.

  77. markazulu November 5, 2013 10:05 am

    as ben jay said we are mediocre and we need to fix alot of things.

  78. boolakanaka November 5, 2013 10:06 am

    73–Fancy wall street term–and keeping on a theme eloquently articulated by coco above, it has all the markings of “taste great”– “less filling” title.

    And with coco’s adept clarification, e kala mai to #55, my brethren.

    That said, Goldman did take a tumble in revenues for 3Q but still managed to increase dividend by 10%. the world’s most profitable securities firm before the financial crisis, their earnings were little changed as the bank cut costs in response to a 20 percent drop in revenue.

    Shares of the company fell as revenue of $6.72 billion fell short of the $7.35 billion average estimate of 17 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Third-quarter net income rose to $1.52 billion, or $2.88 a share, from $1.51 billion, or $2.85, a year earlier.

    Chief Executive Officer Lloyd C. Blankfein, 59, is lowering expenses to show investors his firm can deliver higher returns while it waits on a cyclical climb in trading and investment-banking revenue that hasn’t arrived. The stock has traded below 1.5 times book value for the past 3 1/2 years, the longest such streak in the company’s history.

    The stock had gained 27 percent this year through yesterday after advancing 41 percent in 2012. The shares are still below their pre-crisis peak of $247.92 on Oct. 31, 2007.

    Moreover, Goldman Sachs’s equities-trading revenue, the highest among all global banks last year, may have been hampered by a programming error in August that caused the investment bank to send faulty stock-options orders. Most of the trades caused by the error were canceled….

  79. Fan November 5, 2013 10:09 am

    #71. Yes I think it was mostly a Marcie and the Rock deal…’s just having Rock as OC doesn’t seem as funny as Marcie as OC… slap some head phones on her and let’s get the deal done

  80. Jonj November 5, 2013 10:10 am

    61 Bryson I feel you!

    Unfortunately jeezy was one for the firing of Mack and is too hard head to admit he was wrong. Mack maybe wasnt the best HC but he did surround himself with the right guys and for the most part gave up the reins of calling plays. 2008 was a rebuilding year with the QB position 2009 was a injury riddled season 2010 10 wins 2011 injury riddled again.

    I said this would happen when everyone wanted to fire Mack. I didn’t think we would be this low but damn this hurts!

  81. Balko November 5, 2013 10:12 am

    Let’s consider the financial reality of Hawaii: we have structural problems in our economy that hinder — to be charitable — discretionary spending items like a big time football program:

    1. “Hawaii earned the dubious honor of the worst state to make a buck for the second year running, with residents earning a paltry $22,394 in adjusted income.” (

    2. Hawaii has the fourth highest total tax burden in the nation (

    3. Hawaii’s state pension system will likely need a massive, in-state bailout as the baby boomers fully hit the retirement system (

    4. The overhead on the Na Koa (UH Foundation) seems high, which is a considerable drag when considering the above three items.

    5. Lastly, the people of Hawaii have spoken with their wallets for two years in a row: our athletic department’s budget is running at least one million dollars over what the people of Hawaii are willing to pay for it.

  82. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 10:19 am

    77. What are you my EFFING sock puppet now?? How much do you charge to speak on my behalf??

  83. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 10:20 am

    81. How am I wrong??? Replacing one horrible coach with another doesn’t make me wrong….

  84. papajoe2 November 5, 2013 10:20 am

    Sorry, but I just watch UH football of PPV for the last 4 or 5 years (had season tickets for many years before that). I don’t see the coaches, coaching/teaching, especially Coach Chow, on the sidelines. Watching the NFL, we see it all the time, with pictures from the skycams and positions players getting together to discuss things. Like I said, I only see whatever is shown on PPV and cannot see much of the bench meetings, if any. I remember JJ and Rolo would talk to their qbs every time they would come off the field. They don’t even show if the coach or coaches getting together with Coach Chow to discuss things, except when there is a disagreement. What is it like on the sidelines? I only want truth, not haters giving their opinions and non truths.

  85. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 10:21 am

    Yes JonJ. If I had to pick 1 bad coach over a horrendous coach, I would pick Mack. But I don’t want either so nice trying to prove me wrong…

  86. primo123 November 5, 2013 10:23 am

    need a Chow Time t-shirt, with the big red circle around the words and a big red diagonal line thru the words…….

    jeezy says he’ll take two of those too……

  87. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 10:24 am

    87. Put it on the “moochers” tab too while your at it…

  88. primo123 November 5, 2013 10:25 am



  89. primo123 November 5, 2013 10:26 am


    papajoe…how big is your tv? HD?

  90. primo123 November 5, 2013 10:28 am

    Where’s the t-shirt maker dude???…..

    Is he going to make a

    Chiao Time?


  91. UHfan808 November 5, 2013 10:45 am

    Good morning, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! 🙂

  92. papajoe2 November 5, 2013 10:46 am

    #90 primo123~46 inch Sony. I was watching UH live since the Honolulu Stadium days when they were a small college. I don’t think the size of the TV matters, its just the convenience of watching it at home. I remember we couldn’t get out of the stadium parking lot until all the busses left. They now search bags before you enter. Have to pay a premium to park where we used to tailgate under the shade of a tree. Pay for parking too. Wife works night shift and cannot get all the Saturdays off. Food is left out on my table so if you want to eat, you can do it during a timeout/commercial. Don’t have to run to the snack bar to stand in long line to pay super high prices for mediocre food. Get to see replays. See scores of other games. Can turn the channel during timeouts, halftime. Can turn the tv off (but never did) if desired. Can leave the house for other commitments during game day at the last minute. Toilet just a few steps away and no standing in line. Although I no longer consume alcohol, coolers right next to your seat. Smuggling in food recommended. For me, save gas….

  93. cocobean November 5, 2013 10:46 am

    #83. Not speaking on your effing behalf. Said I think……. . I just wanted to give you some good natured ribbing likeI got for wearing my Chow Time shirt.

    BTW. I’m smiling as I type. Not confronting you.

  94. Leahi2 November 5, 2013 10:47 am

    #75. I thought this was a pace to post your feelings. You say bitching and moaning will not help to solve the problem. So first of all you recognize that there is a “problem”. But you are also saying ” silence is golden”. Through this blog the UofH gets fan feedback. Secondly, aren’t You complaining (moaning) about how we vent our feelings, negative as that may be. You want us to say good things about what is bad? Or to say nothing at all? What are you supposed to be? A mediator? You don’t sound like one!

    By the way, if your wife cooks up something bad (or something you just don’t like), are you to tell her that it is good or say nothing at all? Beware, she’ll serve it up to you again! That said, are you now a little bit more akamai? By the way, since you recognize that there is a “problem”, why don’t you be more specific and tell us about it? This is the time and place for it!

  95. A-House November 5, 2013 10:48 am


    a school providing “parking” for student athletes not a NCAA violation? does Utah provided parking for all students at no charge?

    and, they come down and say to cannot buy meal or ride to an athlete?

  96. UHfan808 November 5, 2013 10:49 am

    Wow, that’s some awesome sports facility!

    Amazing what a bunch of good ‘ole forward thinking brainstorming sessions can do, no?!

    Many things to consider (if not all hehe) and look forward to!

    We’ve got our beautiful new locker room which is an awesome start, too!

  97. UHfan808 November 5, 2013 10:52 am

    Thanks for the wanadful pics, ST!!

    Awesome viewpoints!!

    We are inpsired!!

    (Just don’t put the soap dispenser above the electrical switches, pls!)


  98. Think2Much November 5, 2013 10:52 am

    Do facilities make the team? Weren’t the Utes nationally ranked for several years and this was before the had this new facility? Didn’t the Rainbow Warriors do well under Tomey, Wagner, and Jones even though there wasn’t soap at times?

    Regarding the athletic dept projected deficit and waning attendance, why not sell our “inventory” of empty seats for a lower price? Many fans would like to attend a game but the huge cost of just going is probably a deal breaker. $5 a seat x 20,000 empty seats = $100,000 off the deficit. Supply and demand.

  99. Bryson November 5, 2013 10:53 am

    Jeezy if you slowed down to read what I wrote I clearly stated Mack wasn’t given enough time to build depth…As for a being a bad coach was he well spoken No,did he truly and whole heartedly care about the kids in his program yes he did….as for wins and losses and chasing championships well he had a hand in the 3 WAC championships we have won…Even though he might not have had the most talented and most sought after recruits he was able to get them to play above expectations…Also given the fact he had 2 young up and coming Coordinators I believe we were going in the right direction….

  100. madeinhawaii November 5, 2013 10:53 am

    Looks like Utah State is gearing up to be part of a PAC something in the future.

  101. LizKauai November 5, 2013 10:54 am

    Wow! Nice facilities!

    At the end of the day… it’s still about the KIDS.

    Go, Rainbow Warriors!

  102. papajoe2 November 5, 2013 10:55 am

    Can’t wait for the other channel’s bid for UH football to see what is offered. I heard it will not have PPV. They must make up for the 2mil that Oceanic pays UH for PPV if they want to win the bid, but I know they are taking that into consideration. Anybody know what will be offered. If it gets into a fierce bidding war, then UH may stand to win. Just imagine if the bid was for a million $ more then they now are paying, UH would be breaking even this year.

  103. Bigislandkurt November 5, 2013 10:55 am

    It certainly appears that many on this blog have chosen the old “if you have nothing nice to say” position in regards to Coach Chow. This certainly includes many Tsaikos and blog followers who aren’t as confrontational as others.

    We all know that this land of nice nice Hawaii, those who speak their minds are often vilified. The traditional lens says “do not speak bad on Coach Chow. Give him one more year. WE can’t afford to buy him out. He’s a nice man. Etc. Etc. Yet I’ve learned over the years that traditional lenses are not always correct. In relation, I have learned to not necessarily cast a deaf ear to opinions that may not decorate my lens.

    I’m one of the Ciao Chow people. This is a place that the last 2 years have brought me to. There is nothing about this era of UH football that has been positive — other than folks/fans trying to be positive about the whole ordeal. There truly is nothing to be excited about going forward. Our schedule will still be tough in the future. We will enter ’14 still with QB/Oline questions. Recruiting will be affected as potential players and parents know that Coach Chow may be gone in the absence of a miracle 6-win season in ’14. The collective state of UH football is not a good one. This is where I have been led to as a fan. I am just that. A fan. Not an anti-chow monster who is out for his head in any way I can. I kinda feel pity for him. But as a fan, my opinion states that change must come sooner than later.


  104. Jeezy33 November 5, 2013 10:56 am

    94. No problem … people keep trying to out words in my mouth like jonj so it’s getting pretty irritating reading crap I’m not saying …

  105. Jeezy33 November 5, 2013 10:57 am

    104. Glad you strive for better and hate settling for less

  106. Jeezy33 November 5, 2013 11:02 am

    100. I completely agree that Mack loved and cared about his players.., but college coaches don’t get paid 1.1 million dollars to love and care about their players..

    Mack was never rebuilding or changing a system .. He inherited a pretty damn good football team and won when those players became seniors .. The caliber of his recruits are evident now when looking at our qbs , wrs, and o line..

  107. Balko November 5, 2013 11:23 am

    One thing to keep in mind is the next TV package may be worth less than the current contract if the bidders feel that they can’t sell enough ads or PPV. Given the current win/loss situation, I could see the bid coming in lower with fewer eyes on the team.

  108. primo123 November 5, 2013 11:23 am



    its my theory…… big flat screen tv’s became more affordable….with HD to boot, that’s one of the big reasons for season ticket holders not renewing. PPV is affordable enough, plus with all the benefits of staying at home or at a bar to watch the game….We not that stoopid…right?

    its up to the young generation to make up their own “traditions” now.

  109. primo123 November 5, 2013 11:41 am


    was there “soap” in that dispenser?

  110. hwnstyl November 5, 2013 11:41 am

    After seeing these pictures how can any talented Hawaii players offered scholorships to the mainland schools parents hold them back? A picture is worth a thousand words, its bad enough we are 0-8 but to show the kids of Hawaii whom we are trying to recruit what they are giving up in tools to help them succeed in football is not going to help our cause.
    I know you want to show the fans so we donate but the recruits will see this too without even having to on on a recruiting trip, just talking about it was bad enough.
    How can you not give your kids these advantages if both schools offer?
    Better coaching, better facilities, better oppurtunity!

  111. Buffoman November 5, 2013 11:52 am

    #109 so staying with the theory, here’s what to do. Mark off the best viewing planes in the stadium and sell those at what you’re selling them now. The “old guard” die hard fans will pay to go and they’ll be rewarded with great seats.

    The other seats that don’t sell, cut them into special zones. One for families (so don’t put them in the yellow) where there is a non-alcohol area. No beer sales in that section and on the concourse adjacent to this area. Contract one of those inflatable guys (if they are still in business) to come and set up in a designated family area. Bring a couple of food trucks (take a piece of that action) change every week.

    In another section, make it for students of all community colleges and colleges (include HPU and others). If you’re in the system, you pay a fee so no charge). If you’re in a college other than the UH system your ticket would be the pro rated amount similar to what the UH student fee would be.

    Then bring in entertainment for this area, ask Hawaiian 105 to partner. Different food trucks (the ones that were at the family area the week prior).

    All other seats, charge roll back to Wagner era prices.

    Then when doing the pay-per-view charge the estimated viewership the equivalent to what a couple would pay if they sat in the premium seats. Now, this group would have the option of the comfort of their homes or going to the game. They have the means; now it’s a choice. BTW: I think they do it, but the charge for bars should be much higher. Heck, they make it back in beers and the cost for the pupus easily and then some.

    In the stadium setting, you start to rebuild your fan base as those who want the game experience live would take the seats of those who would choose to give them up in the premium sections.

    For the somewhat disinterested, it’s a cheap night out. For the students, it’s building that bond with the school. For the family, it’s affordable, non-alcohol and pre-game food and children’s activities.

  112. Moocher November 5, 2013 12:00 pm

    jeezy33 *yawn
    now i know why the 33…cos you sound like a broken record, a 33 to be exact.

    nah but serious i posted this before…right before before kick-off, we are all fans 100% united with hope. right before before kick-off, there aren’t any chow haters, lakalaka up the middle haters, SS haters…we are all together with all our colorful weekly opinions locked and linked together and unified as one rainbow…so i say, let the fans be the colorful rainbow locked together and united, and let the athletes be the warriors.

    the only two scenarios are these:
    kids playing for a coach that people hate and find it easier to not play as hard for him
    kids playing for a coach that people rally behind in hard times which in turn helps the players to rally for him and each other and the all of us in hard times.

    how about for 4 games, we all just pull together. can we do that? we know chow will be back, we know there wont be a bowl game, but we do know both coaches and players are trying and giving it their that not good enough for us for just 4 more games?

    pride aside, for 4 games, can we give maximum support to the coach and the boys?

  113. Former UH Athlete November 5, 2013 12:01 pm

    Too bad Ben Jay, and other prominent UH administrators couldn’t take the tour of Utah facilities and see what it takes to help the program.

    UH has a good architecture school, they could save money if they use the Arch majors and have them do their semester projects on potential facilities. If there’s a 10 students in a class, then break them into a couple different buildings (weight room, training room, meeting rooms, etc) and then UH can vote on which designs they move forward with.

    Winning designers win free tuition…. Great project for Arch students, great money saver for UH, great upgrade to UH football…. win-win-win.

  114. Former UH Athlete November 5, 2013 12:03 pm

    That room with the wood bands is trippy…

  115. Bryson November 5, 2013 12:06 pm

    Again with the 1.1 million pay who in there right mind wouldn’t take 1.1 million to coach…We can’t blame Mack for taking what was offered…If people should be mad at anyone for that contract they should be mad at the people who made the offer….As for Mack not having to rebuild what do you call having to replace the most prolific offensive team in Hawaii football history? C’mon let’s be real about what Mack inherited:..He inherited a great defense the offense he was left with was full of players who hadn’t seen much playing time in 3-4 years…Pilares was really the only one who had significant playing time Graunke was benched Malcolm Lane decided not to return which forced guys like Pollard and Salas to step up but you can’t say he inherited great players because at that point what they could do for UH was unproven…Mack recruited a lot of players that helped them win that championship and with all of them graduating he had a down year the following year….but I still say he wasn’t given enough time to recruit and build depth…you can’t count his first class because he had 3 weeks to put a class together but when you look at this year a lot of the players he recruited have starting roles

  116. Former UH Athlete November 5, 2013 12:17 pm

    110… nice one

    They probably have some designer soap from Neiman Marcus.

    Just some of the perks when your conference TV deal worth a minimum of $20 million per year. Utah hit the lottery when the Pac 10 approved them to join.

  117. SteveM November 5, 2013 12:18 pm

    Good morning everyone!

    Being a football head coach is tough. Don’t get your team to a bowl game and your days are numbered. Get to a bowl game and you get fired if you don’t get them back there within 2 years. Maybe fired after 3 years if you actually won the bowl game.

    Happened to Bob Wagner. Happened to Mack. We probably would have fired June Jones if we didn’t get to another BCS bowl after 2-3 years. I agree with those who say Chow should have at least 3 years…follow the trend: if no bowl game in 3 years, then get restless.

  118. Balko November 5, 2013 12:24 pm

    Former UH Athlete – As I mentioned above, the problem isn’t ideas or design, it is the tangible money needed to actually pay for the facilities, and the fundamental lack of money in the state for such items.

    Then there is the lack of a commitment to what is already there. Look at the “new” med school campus: UH can’t find the money to maintain that. Sidewalks are buckling, there is a smell of “fresh” sewer fumes in the air, they failed to project adequate parking for the buildings built, and so on. Move on to the Manoa campus, and you see the same problem, infrastructure is wanting in numerous buildings.

    Then there needs to be a financial plan in place to sustain whatever is achieved because UH has a habit of letting facilities atrophy.

  119. Jeezy33 November 5, 2013 12:33 pm

    116. Who’s blaming Mack??? He just wasn’t the right guy to be a head coach … He was a good DC coming towards the end of his career …

  120. Jeezy33 November 5, 2013 12:33 pm

    Hawaii didn’t lose a dime by the way buying out Mack’s final season

  121. Wes'side Warrior November 5, 2013 12:52 pm

    So… during our kope discussion this morning, the topic came up…

    How does Utah handle making the smoothies available to ALL students, and not just specific student-athletes? And, for that matter, all of the other amenities? Shouldn’t EVERYTHING be available to the whole student body? How do they get away with it?

    Jus’ wondering…

  122. koakane ® November 5, 2013 12:58 pm

    mahalo ww for posting this and I believe the answer should come from either the ad BenJay or whomever is in compliance because they quote some NCAA violation saying UH can not do this.

  123. 3-Prong November 5, 2013 1:11 pm

    Hooo, dat was ONO! Manago Hotel pork chops w/brown gravy and onions. Felt like going back in time. Definitely one of the good thing………..

  124. 3-Prong November 5, 2013 1:12 pm

    ….things. hehe.

  125. Balko November 5, 2013 1:13 pm

    Re: smoothies – Should be covered under the same rule as a football “training table” meals excluding non-football playing students (i.e., “Training table or competition-related meals”).

  126. papajoe2 November 5, 2013 1:15 pm

    #119 Balko, Still gotta get designs before you build. But how do we get those designs? I think FUHA is mentioning a way around Hawaii’s expensive system like, 1st need to hire a committee to find if we want or can do it. Then hire a design committee to design. Then another committee to approve the design. Then attorneys to check it out and write and approve the contract of the design committee. Then hire a committee to hire the builders. Then get attorneys to write the contract of builders. Then build it and hire a committee to approve everything that the builders did. After this is complete, find out that it is not condusive/practical or too small after all the delays from committee to committee. After all this, we find out our projection is 200% over budget so cannot build the next project. This should be taken in jest and is not actually. Read it and laugh.

  127. Leahi2 November 5, 2013 1:15 pm

    #34 and #36 We all know that Hawaii lacks the modern facilities that most Div I programs have, but we all want athletes who want to come to Hawaii to Study and Play. We’ve got good weather here and second to nowhere else. Okay we’ve got a lot of catching up to do I admit. However this brings back to mind the first year Dick Tomey became our coach. Someone told him something about Larry Price’s complaint from the year before in that the team could not have a Steak Dinner before a game but had to settle for Pork Tofu instead. Tomey’s reply was “so did they win?” There was no response. Tomey was not selling luxury but good football. Now, today, Hawaii has good weight lifting equipments in their gym. Question is: do these athletes know how to use it? Sure its nice to live in a castle but its nicer still to live in HAWAII. Note also that there are some big schools out there who play to losing records. Big impressive gyms or no. So they go out there to practice in the snow and rain all for good old Alma Mater. Think about it! Hawaii is not a bad place after all!

  128. Pete Jek November 5, 2013 1:17 pm

    #95, to paraphrase Jay-Z, did you read my post or did you just skim through it? I’m not an advocate of blind silence. I’m only saying much of the criticism has crossed the line of being constructive. It’s become mostly noise and does nothing to improve the current state of affairs. Do i have to bitch anfd moan and throw tantrums to my wife to get my point across. Civility is not a bad thing, but this is a free country so do as you please.

    And i know. The problems with the football team and UH athletics in general are real and obvious. Everyone knows that. They’re chronic, they’re institutional, and more the norm (no pun intended) than an aberration. But i don’t see the benefit of a lowered discourse. But if it’s therapeutic to a disgruntled fanbase i guess, again, do as you please.

    Go Rainbow Warriors.

  129. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 1:36 pm

    130. Making noise gets results… obviously… People bitched about “rainbow” getting back in the name… Ben Jay laid over and made it happen. I really can care less about what name Hawaii is associated with… But I do have enough pride that I won’t want to be on the bottom 10 of ESPN week in and week out. And if people want to voice their displeasure through blogs, message boards, e-mails, etc… then so be it… Just as irritated as u get reading people who want Chow gone… Its just as irritating as hearing people say give Chow 1 more year… or team is making progress with 0 wins… At least 1 side can prove facts…

  130. Leahi2 November 5, 2013 1:46 pm

    #130. May I refer you to the time when JJ became our coach.and he turned the program around. It was the year they went on the road to Tulsa and won the game. A few days later a Tulsa fan wrote a letter to their newspaper editor saying that (paraphrased) ” Hawaii hired a new coach and with that same team players that went 0-12 the year before, are now 5-3. Is anybody at TU listening?” This item was picked by our local papers in Hawaii simply because it was amusing.. Anyway a couple of weeks later Tulsa fired their coach. So many of us in this “blog” can shout and criticize likewise wondering if anybody is listening! Is this therapeutic? I hope its more than that! Now in so far as your wife is concerned, do as you must.

  131. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 1:58 pm

    132… talk about a guy over reacting…. Comparing voicing concerns though media outlets over something we are passionate about to throwing a tantrum and crying with his wife… lol….

  132. SDE November 5, 2013 2:10 pm

    Noise on a blog will not affect change. If you guys really want to be heard, organize a rally, start a petition. At the very least write a letter to the AD under your real name. Short of that everyone’s just venting and opinions expressed on a blog aren’t worth much.

  133. Pete Jek November 5, 2013 2:10 pm

    The coach was fired because of a fan’s Letter to the Editor? The causality there is dubious. When a program is struggling, administrators know the fans are unhappy. If we want to speak in degrees here, then i guess we can ask if they know that fans are super duper uber very very very unhappy. Blogs and message boards are too small a sample size, even given UH’s small fanbase to begin with. Poor ticket sales and low ratings say all that need to be said. I don’t think hurling personal, verbal abuses at them makes a difference.

    But let’s be honest. To borrow from a Woody Allen character, this is all mental masturbation anyway. So go ahead…

  134. A-House November 5, 2013 2:18 pm

    reading this blog is reminding me of the US Congress – instead of working together to build something better, one side is bent on not making things work

    principle applies on how to help the entire UH system as the JCs need help also

    some time back, someone posted that “students” can not be used for “projects” be it engineering, medical, social, etc. yet, the law school students held “drives” to assist those less fortunate – yep, this is different than a law student creating a contract or reviewing same for correctness or architecture student utilizing their skills to design buildings or rooms, etc. but, being a non-grad makes you lesser than a graduate?

    yep, just like upper campus decision to exclude “prop 48” students because, in their opinion, the students could not successfully pass their classes – heck, many students accepted to with higher GPAs didn’t make it either

  135. primo123 November 5, 2013 2:20 pm


    Makes too much sense!!…….

  136. 3-Prong November 5, 2013 2:20 pm

    Would you rather have last years 3 win team or this years winless team? Which team is better,….more competitive,… more games? I see improvement, obviously not enough, but we have improved and are closer to winning than last year.

  137. Pete Jek November 5, 2013 2:22 pm

    Hehe. Dude, how am i overreacting? I’m just saying… And i’m talking cumulatively here. The bitching and moaning this season on this blog and elsewhere qualifies as a temper tantrum – probably worse. But hey, it’s that time of the month right?

  138. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 2:24 pm

    138. If you want to measure improvement… Just look at UNLV and Colorado St. We smoked UNLV last year. We were up 7 to Colorado St. last year on the road before SS threw 2 pick 6s. Look at where those 2 teams are now and where we have fallen..

  139. jeezy33 November 5, 2013 2:32 pm

    139. Oh is it? Go get your wife some tampons then..

  140. jmor56 November 5, 2013 2:32 pm

    I’m going to count how many times we rush up the middle for little or no gain against Navy. I’m guessing 10- 15 times

  141. Andrew November 5, 2013 2:37 pm


    Last years 3 wins were only because they played a depleted UNLV team (at home)
    and two cupcakes otherwise they would have been easily 0-12

  142. Pete Jek November 5, 2013 2:38 pm

    Buwahahahaha. I was talking about you, dude.

  143. cocobean November 5, 2013 2:47 pm

    #140. UNLV is a bad example to use for someone who’s main point is – get rid of Chow. UNLV didn’t get ridof a coach who went 6-32 in three years even after his teamed got smoked in their last game of 2012.

  144. 3-Prong November 5, 2013 2:54 pm

    ST, so the boys had fun in the snow? Any first timers seeing the white stuff?

  145. Leron November 5, 2013 3:00 pm

    Watching video of the team having a snowball fight puts thing in the proper perspective, these are kids enjoying college life as opposed to all the negative curmudgeons on this board, who’lol probably chastise either the team or coach for having fun.

  146. Balko November 5, 2013 3:06 pm

    Interesting stats regarding this week’s game:

    Navy has 9th best rushing offense (total yards) in nation
    Hawaii is ranked 120th

    Hawaii is 5th worst in nation in sacks allowed with 31
    Navy is at 67th with 15 sacks allowed

  147. primo123 November 5, 2013 3:07 pm


    someone should tell norm of different ways to keep the safeties from playing honest to defend the run first.

    running up the middle was the death blow to the triple option when it was here.

  148. primo123 November 5, 2013 3:08 pm

    UNLV is better this year than last.

  149. primo123 November 5, 2013 3:09 pm


    what is hawaii’s defense ranked against the run?

  150. primo123 November 5, 2013 3:09 pm

    watch out for navy’s qb.

    he’s suppose to be a good passer too.

  151. Balko November 5, 2013 3:21 pm

    Hawaii’s defense:
    Opp rushing yards = 1397
    Opp yards per rush = 3.76
    Opp rushing TDs – 12

    Navy defense:
    Opp rushing yards = 1579
    Opp yards per rush = 4.98 (should be interesting, something’s gotta give)
    Opp rushing TDs – 13

  152. Whats up November 5, 2013 3:27 pm

    Since June Jones left the UH Football program has been going downhill with McMackin and rock bottom the past 2 seasons under Chow as far as W-L records, National Televised Game blowout losses, Poorly managed, gameplan, runned teams (Both Mack & Chow). While recruiting has gotten better under Chow than Mack, the losing record with the addition of the nickname change “Rainbow” will drop mainland high school recruits talent level commiting to the Rainbow Warrior Football Program.

    It’s hard enough to recruit geographically for Hawaii but add “Rainbow” with losing games on top of it. And Chow name reputation is not going to hold water soon, so he better win some games to counter the Rainbow softness and geographic challenges to get better recruits to commit. Everything is interconnected reputation (to include nickname Rainbow),recruiting, coaching, winning, ticket/PPV/Merchandise sales. This season is pretty much over, so next season Chow better have a break out year or the cries for his removal will be overwhelming.

    Enough miscues, misteps, mis-everything. Fix it now Chow!

  153. RedZone November 5, 2013 3:33 pm

    ST coming up next on the animals.

  154. Boulderdude November 5, 2013 3:41 pm

    Ben Jays Dialing for Dollars

    Hawaii’s Richest People
    Tech entrepreneurs and major landowners dominate list.

    Once a week Joe More, randomly selects a name from a Koa bowl and tells everyone to call.
    “Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a football team?
    Dialing for Dollars is trying to find me.
    I wait for delivery each day until three,
    So oh Lord, won’t you buy me a football team?”

  155. gobows November 5, 2013 3:46 pm

    they going score big on army…but stopping the option???

  156. Whats up November 5, 2013 4:07 pm

    Another blowout loss coming!

    Navy 48
    Hawaii 17

  157. Leahi2 November 5, 2013 4:15 pm

    #135. You say that the coach at TU wasn’t fired just because of a letter to the editor which I referred to. I agree. That letter my friend must have been just the top of the iceberg. Think about it! Now here in Hawaii we are currently 0-8 after being 3-9 the year before when only 1 team was Division 1 caliber. As I said before, our team looks like the Jayvee playing the Varsity. Last year was excusable. Not this year. And By the way we do have dwindling ticket sales, not to speak of a disgruntled fan base. By your analysis shouldn’t the UofH bigwigs be concerned. Lets face it, this is not just sports but also a money game (business). We experience financial deficits every year. Yet, Ben Jay says Chow can stay on as long as he wants! This comment coming from the same man who wants more money for an expanded athletic Program? When will he understand that we are very unhappy with the status quo? So face it. The football program is bankrupt. I cringe when I think of the possibility of dropping football. So why are you criticizing us naysayers?

  158. cocobean November 5, 2013 4:41 pm

    #159. Football is making enough money to cover it’s expenses. It’s other sports that are in jeopardy of being cut.

    I’d guess 95% of the fan base would say they are not satisfied with the job Chow has done so far. The debate is what should be done. A lot of people say give him more time. Even among these people the debate is how much time. There are those that want him replaced.
    There are sound arguements to be made for whatever your view is.

    What irritates me and others are when posters resort to name calling and labeling those that don’t support their view. They make it personal. Each point of view have people who are continually doing this.

  159. Wes'side Warrior November 5, 2013 4:42 pm

    November 5th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
    Re: smoothies – Should be covered under the same rule as a football “training table” meals excluding non-football playing students (i.e., “Training table or competition-related meals”).

    Okay, Balko… so riddle me this, then…

    How can Utah justify a parking section just for student-athletes? Haircut (“Chop Shop”) for student-athletes? A coke machine? Pool Table in the player’s lounge? And I’m sure many, many more perks only for student-athletes, and not the whole student body? All under the guise of a training table? Hmmm…

  160. Wes'side Warrior November 5, 2013 4:47 pm

    Or put another way, what clause (or clauses) are they using that allows them to get away with it, so that we may do the same at Manoa and still be in compliance?

  161. Konoman1 November 5, 2013 5:03 pm

    Thank you Cocobean…agree with you totally. pretty sad that some people have such sad lives that they get off being bullies on this board. Actually we should feel sorry for them. They must be really frustrated in their own personal Ives!

  162. Konoman1 November 5, 2013 5:04 pm

    Utah has great facilities but have you seen what schools in the PAC 12 have?!

  163. oneseason November 5, 2013 5:09 pm

    From this 2012 Business Week article, they quote a home PPV cost of $50 versus bar PPV cost of $1,500 to $3,000. I wonder whether the PPV revenue is dominated by home or commercial purchases, or whether they are comparable. I can’t see bars not being willing to pay at least what they are paying now since it would be pretty sad not to carry the home teams games, regardless of the win-loss record. So if commercial sales dominate, I would think UH should be in a good position to require at least the status quo.

  164. cocobean November 5, 2013 5:10 pm

    #163. Glad you agree but you use a label yourself.

  165. lava November 5, 2013 5:10 pm

    Boycotting Chow football will force change. I know it sounds odd, but that is what I think being a true fan is at this point. Sorry players, I know you guys can win right now under a different coach. You are victims too.

  166. Jeezy33 November 5, 2013 5:14 pm

    144. That’s your best come back ?? Weak !

  167. Jeezy33 November 5, 2013 5:19 pm

    145. Not a weak example .. We were way better last year … This year another story …

    If you’re talking about the coach getting time to build his program, then u must forget that unlv hasn’t been football relevant ever… So stop comparing apples to oranges …

    It would be like trying to compare Hawaii basketball and unlv basketball .. No chance .. Gib took over a broken down basketball program so he’s going to get time to turn it around as long as he doesn’t do anything illegal or team drops below apr. Unlv on the other hand wouldn’t put up with a bball coach who finishes last in basketball ..

    Pretty sad that people are putting Hawaii football and unlv In the same conversation..

  168. SDE November 5, 2013 5:27 pm

    167 How about picketing at the next home game. That would be more effective than writing anonymously on a blog. 5 bucks for parking, couple of hours of your time.

    How many people are you reaching by announcing a boycott on this blog? Take an ad out in the newspaper- get the word out!

  169. Tazer November 5, 2013 5:36 pm

    This is my say to Jay “You can pay the coach now Or you can pay him later” You could be loosing much more money next year, if the coach don’t get the W. And if you wait till Chow end his contract. You might be a really deep hole, and might take forever to get out. Take it from the upper campus. Money was free flowing for buy outs. Here and get lost. For you people that complain about the bullies here. Wait till the end of the season. And we don’t get any W. It be a hell lot worst and meaner. Only ST can help you out, and put a stop to this. And let’s just to cheer and support, the other sports that UH has. And hope they draw more fans. Just play nice here or there not going to a place for you to play…

  170. Sasa Muli November 5, 2013 5:42 pm

    Sasa sez dat me tinks dat da sugas and soles in ta Pak 12 get to finish workout with happy ending.

    Lucky buggas.

  171. Konoman1 November 5, 2013 5:48 pm

    Yes .. Sorry Cocobean

  172. Konoman1 November 5, 2013 5:56 pm

    Thanks for the link Leron.. Glad the kids getting to experience different stuff… Tours in Washington should be awesome for them!!

  173. Inyoface November 5, 2013 6:01 pm

    Too bad we didn’t spend that sugar bowl purse more wisely.

  174. gobows November 5, 2013 6:03 pm

    172…perks of being in the pac

  175. Konoman1 November 5, 2013 6:21 pm

    And many of the Utah players donate $ back to the program when they make the pros…

  176. Maile Tsai-Russ November 5, 2013 6:29 pm

    ST: The University of Utah thanks you for the free recruiting promos for our local recruits.

  177. wow November 5, 2013 6:37 pm

    Another day with crybaby Jeezy …..

  178. Leahi2 November 5, 2013 6:56 pm

    #160. You say that Football is paying for its own expenses. I’m not so sure about that but anyway the Uof H transferred the other sports into this other West Coast League. Isn’t there an agreement to participate in a certain minimum number of sports? And what about Title 9 of the civil rights law. Now back to football. We pay the other teams to come here but they don’t pay us likewise. With a dwindling stadium attendance (and a disgruntled fan base) the future is dismal indeed. AD Jay says that Chow can stay as long as he wants to. That remark comes from the man who wants more money for expanding the athletic facilities to something really big time.I think he’s out of touch with reality and the fans as well. Now that said, would call this name calling?

  179. Don Weir November 5, 2013 7:07 pm

    Football may cover their own expenses but other programs getting cut because of lower ticket revenues is problematic.
    Title IX requires equal numbers of male/female athletes in an athletics system. That makes the cuts decision very tough. AD’s cannot decide to cut a non-revenue sport without keeping this in mind.

    On other subjects
    Where are the regents and upper campus administrators in their discussions (or lack thereof) with politicos over control of stadium parking revenues, concessions, and advertising??

    Baldemor takes a quick exit. It will be interesting to see who takes over at Ahahui Koa Anuenue. Ticket sales are down, donations are down, sponsorships are in jeopardy.

    Remember these statements?
    1. No ticket price increase but we will have seat premiums.
    2. No ticket price increase but one less game with seat premium increase.
    3. Inner circle parking reverse auction (but only 1/2 full for the past 3 games).

  180. Wassup November 5, 2013 7:08 pm

    Remember, Ben Jay also said the team would remain “warriors”. I hope Chow is not feeling comfy….

  181. oneseason November 5, 2013 7:14 pm

    An Apple quote a day …

    Question: Whatever happened to the position the University of Hawaii at Manoa created last year during the “Wonder Blunder” mess, specifically, the position that was created for (former Athletic Director) Jim Donovan before he left? Was someone else found to fill the position or was it quietly eliminated?

    Answer: The position is vacant and school officials don’t expect to fill it any time soon, according to UH-Manoa Chancellor Tom Apple.

    “We still believe in the need for someone to lead the important job of branding and communicating the evolving land-grant mission of the university. However, due to severe budgetary restraints, we will not be filling this position in the foreseeable future,” Apple said in a statement to the Star-Advertiser.

  182. Dan-O November 5, 2013 7:31 pm

    Boycott the game? Picketing? Giving up your season tickets? You gotta be kidding me! The only people you gonna hurt is the TEAM. The players are merely college kids, working their asses off. Just like the booing the other week, the players will take all this crap personally…which will also indirectly hurt future recruiting. As ST showed us this morning, we already have enough problems with our facilities…let’s not give recruits another reason NOT to play for UH…..THE FANS!!!!!

    If you wanna take it out on the coaches then do it like adults, thru the proper channels. Coaches get paid, and they knew what the job entailed before they took it. They shouldnt expect happy fans and pats on the back when you’re 0-8.

    But seriously gang….let’s support the team, the players.

  183. cocobean November 5, 2013 7:37 pm

    #169. Go back and read your #140. You were the one who was comparing UH/UNLV and putting them both in the same conversation. I was just pointing out UNLV is not a good example for those who feel Chow should be fired.

    It was more of an example someone who was in favor of giving Chow more time would use – look at UNLV now. They suffered through 3 dismal seasons, gave the coach a 4th year and he has the team on an upswing.

  184. frustratedRaBoWar November 5, 2013 7:57 pm

    Absolutely ridiculous to compare UNLV to the UH. UH has won 4 WAC championships, has been ranked as high as #7 in the country, beat national championship contenders. led the nation in rushing under Wags and led the nation in passing and total offense under jones. UNLV is horrible, they were always horrible, they will always be horrible. If being “not horrible” is the penultimate goal of this program, count me out. The UH head coaches office needs to be vacant the Monday after the the Army game.

  185. cocobean November 5, 2013 8:00 pm

    Mr Weir. I’m well aware of how dependent non rev sports are on funds generated by football. Also know a men’s sport would be cut before a woman’s. Worst case would be UHAD cutting several of each.

    The UHAD is suppose to support itself yet they are not getting a cut from all the revenue streams they create. It’s not only the rev they generate for the stadium. Not 100% sure but I’m under the impression all funds generated from sports merchandise and apparel goes into UH’s general fund. Also parking revenue from those attending sporting events in the quarry. The UHAD deserves a percentage of any revenue stream they create.

  186. My take November 5, 2013 8:22 pm

    Some guy came on the evening news and blamed the fans for not showing up to the games and causing a $1,000,000 deficit I couldn’t believe it. How about blaming the idiot insiders for hiring Chow. How about blaming Pay Per View. Every bar broadcasts it and they serve better food and way cheaper beer! It’s the same people who use to go to the games. HELLO!! So shove it up ur ass!!!

  187. My take November 5, 2013 8:33 pm

    You want to make up the 1 million deficit, blame the politicians for not getting rid of the stadium authority and giving it to UH athletics. It’s all paid for. It’s been there 40 years. It’s older than half the island population. Hey dude on the evening news, blame the powers of the state. Shit head!

  188. nanakuli November 5, 2013 9:28 pm

    I read the blog and feel sad for UH football. If Utah looks good, how good is USC, UCLA, ASU, and we all know how good Oregon must be. Poor Coach Chow and his peanut butter bagels.

  189. kev-1 November 5, 2013 9:31 pm

    ST . . . Thank you for depressing UH football fans even more by showing us pictures of what we don’t have, and can probably never expect to have.

    Not only is our football season in the toilet, we have a coach that is even questioning his own ability to get the job done (sorry, I don’t buy into the tongue and cheek excuse), a coaching staff that is loaded with very inexperienced coaches (which some seem to forget), an athletic department that has thrust itself right back into the red by millions, even after the recent deficit was excused, and now are reminded that our facilities (down to the elegance of the chairs that athletes sit in) are absolute crap compared to a team that was in the same conference a couple seasons ago.

    Man it’s great to be a (rainbow) Warrior fan. Guess I’ll just have to “forget about it and put it behind me” and look ahead to the next game.

  190. kev-1 November 5, 2013 9:34 pm

    And can we now all agree that UH looks like a DUMB A$$ for not taking the 600K from Colorado?

  191. kev-1 November 5, 2013 9:36 pm

    Maybe UH can get a loan from Aaron Price?

  192. kev-1 November 5, 2013 9:41 pm

    I like how the AD puts it on the fans. Out of one side of his mouth, he says an 0-8 season doesn’t help ticket sales. Then out of the other, he says that folks have to respond and buy tickets or donate.

    If the food sucks, people don’t eat at the restaurant. They don’t continue to eat there hoping that the money from the bill will help the cook get better. People like me will continue to support the program. I always have and always will. But you need other fans too. The ones who come when a team wins, or is intriguing.

    Stop begging. Or at least do it privately. There isn’t a big time donor out there that is going to read the SA and decide to save the program. These are big time business negotiations that need to occur behind the scenes. Not publicly in the media making the program look pathetic.

  193. kev-1 November 5, 2013 9:46 pm

    AND YOU KNOW WHAT?!?!?!? . . . There once was a time when UH looked at what it had in terms of facilities, budget, etc. and said “yeah, this is what we got. But we will still strap it up and play you tough.” They had a reputation for being a small budget program that played with less but always left teams thinking “man those guys can hit” or “those guys got heart.”

    I’m sorry, but as a fan, I don’t really appreciate the begging in the media or the overflow of envy in today’s SA articles.

    This is who we are, who we’ve been, and who we’ll be. That’s what makes us appreciate our team even more. Do I want more money for our program? Of course. I just feel like our program is advertised as pathetic.

  194. kev-1 November 5, 2013 9:46 pm

    (exhale) . . . sorry

  195. Konoman1 November 5, 2013 9:57 pm

    Sometimes we forget the really important things… There’s a family ,a football team and a community grieving the lost of a son and a teammate. Very classy move by Coach York and the Trojan football team to cancel their practice to attend vigil at Farrington. Also saw that the Govs practiced at Mokuleia to be near the family.

  196. My take November 5, 2013 10:24 pm

    I guess fancy facilities is important if your a boy. Real men don’t need that cosmetic crap. I went to Venice Beach back in 81 to see the original Golds Gym. The house that built Arnold (7 time Mr. Olympia) Schwartzenegger and Franco (The Hammer) Columbo was a concrete floored, no A/C, no color scheme, no ventilation stink ass sweat box. These recruits need to know the facilities don’t make the man.

  197. Brad November 5, 2013 10:58 pm

    So how are our facilities doing? Are we close to finished on the meeting rooms. I know the lockers are done but no pics on the hawaii athletics website. I’ll donate a pool table if they have room for one.

  198. Kevin November 5, 2013 11:02 pm

    November 5th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
    Maybe UH can get a loan from Aaron Price?

    Ok this one made me genuinely smile. 😆

  199. Moocher November 5, 2013 11:20 pm

    when you got espn pumping sec and other bcs conference games, you had better lose that “no need fancy facilities” mindset real quick. cos in the kids eyes, thats the normal, thats the standard. anything less then that is “poor”, “loser”, that’s just how it is today.

    i think most people have no idea how lucky we are to have gotten the recruits we did. yeah, keep up this attitude and watch them do an about face. these kids are glued to chow at the hip and all people are doing is fracturing that connection.

    i think people who know football, know that you cant fully judge a coach until at best year 3 with the end results being years 4-5.

    you guys all seen the pics of utahs facilities. consider what chow gave up to come here. consider what the players gave up to play here. those guys all made sacrifices and chose a “poor” school (speaking in terms of facilities) which is partly why i am patient still and for me year 3 should be the 6 win season.

  200. Moocher November 5, 2013 11:24 pm

    my take

    facilities may not make the man….but they help get the man to help get the wins to help get the $$$.
    keep living in the 80’s.

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