O-lineman commits to UH

Tavita “Tui” Eli, a lineman from Kealakehe High, told the Warrior Beat he has accepted a football scholarship from the Rainbow Warriors.

Eli can play both sides of the line, but said he has been told he will compete as an offensive lineman.

It’s a key recruit for UH, which is looking to restock the offensive line. The Warriors already have Dejon Allen, Elijah Tupai, John Wa‘a and R.J. Hollis in the wings.

Here’s Eli’s highlights: Eli video.

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Underthrows. Overthrows.

Missed tackles. Missed calls.

An offsides that led to a touchdown. A running-into-the-punter penalty that led to a second chance.

Well, we’ve all see how a bunch of little things add up to something more significant. Sum of the parts, or something like that (I never could figure out that analogy).

One thing was certain: The evening was a sartorial success.

Psychologists always speak of how color affects mood. There certainly was an upbeat vibe, from the uniforms to the support staff’s rainbow-themed shirts. Maybe it’s just having something new, even if the “new” is an old look. Maybe the next debate is: Kelly green or forest green?

But I digress.

Nice effort. Tough loss. Onward to Laramie.

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Three claps for the band.

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  1. Bugaz November 17, 2013 8:13 am

    Go Warriors!!!

  2. Da Punchbowl Kid November 17, 2013 8:17 am

    Go Warriors too!

  3. Inyoface November 17, 2013 8:18 am

    I notice we never get pass interference calls this year.

  4. boya_jr November 17, 2013 8:18 am

    Crazy emotional game last night.

  5. boya_jr November 17, 2013 8:20 am

    Saui looks scary even in the Rainbow uni. Iosefa is an absolute monster. Love it. Fight on Bows.

  6. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:21 am

    It was interesting how many flags were picked up.

  7. kev-1 November 17, 2013 8:22 am

    Kelly Green. No Doubt. Even if you don’t keep the rainbow incorporated.

  8. kev-1 November 17, 2013 8:23 am

    Very poorly officiated game. Had just as much of an impact on the game as the mistakes by the players and coaches.

  9. 808 warrior November 17, 2013 8:25 am

    Time for Chow to surround himself with better coaches and expectations.

  10. kev-1 November 17, 2013 8:25 am

    Horrendous play calling. When RB’s rack up that kind of yardage, it is because they break off long runs. Usually scoring runs. Iosefa is effective as a runner to set up the pass, to pound it at the goal line, and run out the clock. Where the HELL was the pass? You don’t pound it up the middle for a few yards play after play when you are tied or even up by only 7.

    I am no expert, but the play calling was a huge part of the problem last night.

  11. tommui November 17, 2013 8:27 am


    Close but no cigar! We got into overtime which might mean progress of sorts – wonder if we had retro helmets would have helped?

  12. kev-1 November 17, 2013 8:27 am

    If UH is going to keep Chow, then for the sake of next season PLEASE play another QB that you anticipate will be the starter next year. I know a lot can change during the off season, but if Chow plans on giving TG another crack at it, he NEEDS to give him some live snaps. I still believe that part of his struggles early on where due to lack of playing time.

  13. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:31 am

    I think there’s a possibility of a platoon this week. SS for one quarter, TG for another.

  14. kev-1 November 17, 2013 8:33 am

    ST . . . thanks for the update. Although, I don’t like the platoon approach. Not to mention that for many of this years games, Chow said that TG would have a role. So I don’t think it will happen. Chow has some sort of weird love affair with SS.

  15. Boolakanaka November 17, 2013 8:33 am

    Aloha kakou! Ekahi. With game over and done, now comes the unavoidable conversation of the sustainability of Chow’s continued tenure at UH. As a point of reference, Akron was voted the worst D1program last year. The zips currently have 4 wins–as we all know, we have none.

    While I never comment on the players or their play, (which I think is both vulgar and insensitive as they are still kids and amateurs) I have been, at times, critical of Chow, not necessarily with regard to Xs andOs, but team conduct and discipline. Penalties like off-sides and delay of games, are a direct reflection of the HC–period. The more salient point, is even for those who are still supportive and endeared with Coach Chow, there is an ever diminishing pool of reasons and arguments, to counter the inevitable push that will call for his ouster.

    Unlike, many other professions, the metric for a D1 football program is fairly binary; it’s wins and loses. While we could all provide a united front for his maintaining his position, without taking a specific position, I would say, that the most that any of us could ask, in any professional position, is to be judged objectively and solely on our record and production. This is the goal of any efficient society-a pure meritocracy. And on that front, well, the answer can be easily derived from his last two seasons–it falls short.

    Some might say, that the AD is at fault, and should be also considered for dismissal. Well, last I looked, the HC answers to the AD, and the AD to the president. Ironically, the last coach with that type of pull and influence, in which he could usurp the vantage of the AD, was JJ. In short, Chow, the clock is ticking loud, and if results are not produced almost immediately, the clock will try and claim you.

  16. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:34 am

    Tom Mui:
    I’ve always loved the close-but-no-cigar phrase.
    When my kids were born, I did pass out cigars. It was well received.
    When my grand-kids were born, I offered cigars and/or See’s lollipops. Nobody wanted cigars. Times a-changin’.

  17. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:36 am

    Chow is safe for another year.
    Interesting that deals have been sealed for extensions for Gib, Charlie, etc. Announcements are forthcoming.

  18. BigWave96744 November 17, 2013 8:36 am

    Any reason why redshirts like Manoa, Tupai, Barker, Meffy and others were suited up while other available guys were in white tee shirts? Hope They don’t lose their RS year this late in the season.

    BTW.. Kelly Green

    BTW2… Tomorrow is the last day to RSVP to the Nakoa season ending Banquet

  19. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:40 am

    I thought UH would’t be blown out this year, and it hasn’t, but didn’t expect 0-10, either.
    Team has to win next year.
    There’s talent being accumulated — Castro, Pedroza, Allen, Rasmussen, Hollis, Tupai, Higdon, etc. We’ll see what happens.

  20. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:41 am

    Scouts get rewarded for good work. The four you mentioned, plus a few others, have done good work in practices.

  21. kev-1 November 17, 2013 8:43 am

    ST #20 . . . yeah, they get rewarded, but do they lose their redshirts?

  22. BigWave96744 November 17, 2013 8:47 am

    Thanks Stephen, would really suck if they went in late in the season and burnt a RS year, like Brian Clay back when..

  23. Tanman November 17, 2013 8:47 am

    Yes, Inyoface, I thought there were a lot of no calls, esp. when SDSU was committing the penalty. UH def made a big mistake by not standing around after being offside, which gave them an easy 7 points and then special team’s running into the kicker eventually gave them 7 points. The second one hurt the most because it was supposed to be 4th down and long. However, Harding played well – with his punts and catches and returns… Hardy-Tuliau had very nice play too… D-Line was good most of the time but defense still gave up too many 3rd down conversions. Some of the defensive play calls at the end of the regulation and overtime were questionable. When they were aggressive, they were more successful. I could not imagine SDSU has worst kicker than us… Relatively, Kelly from the past was pretty good… Of course, no one compares to Elam, Mr. Automatic!

  24. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:48 am

    The bottom line is this was going to be a rebuilding process. It wasn’t like 2008, when JJ left a lot of talent (Elimimian, Leonard, Mouton, Salas, Pilares, Washington, Kia, Letuli, etc.) You want to hit the fast-forward button sometimes. You can watch the process or not. I find it fascinating to watch the development.

  25. PurpleMaple November 17, 2013 8:49 am

    With dwindling fan attendance, can UH afford to keep Chow?

  26. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 8:49 am

    Superior blocking by the SDSU O-Line, along with #40 (who was laying out players), was the deciding factor. Still, some were expecting a blowout like last year, but it wasn’t. Family and friends on the mainland said that it was an entertaining game last night. I felt that UH’s best chance to win was in regulation, given SDSU’s running game and UH’s porous defense late in the game.

    If Coach stays for another year, he’ll need to swallow his pride and bring in a capable OC. SDSU’s OC is former UCLA HC Bob Toledo. Former USC HC Lane Kiffin recently said in an interview that the biggest mistake he made at USC was not delegating coaching responsibilities more. It will be interesting to see the results of a full year of training under S & C Coach Gary Beemer.

    On to Laramie. Yeehaa!!

  27. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:50 am

    They weren’t going to play.
    They’re not burning redshirt years.
    Now, a few weeks ago, they were kicking themselves for not playing Dejon Allen, who’s doing really well in practices. But they weren’t going to burn Allen’s redshirt year.

  28. kev-1 November 17, 2013 8:51 am

    #24 . . . I get that. And if you pay attention you can see growth in areas. But rebuilding doesn’t necessarily mean head scratching.

  29. PowderPuff November 17, 2013 8:51 am

    From my amateur, armchair perspective, we need an OC. Shouldn’t complain about the officiating most times, but last night…what the heck?!? They were as bad as the high school refs on Friday night!

    And yes, it’s been a tough season, but hope you will consider joining us in thanking the boys for their hard work and dedication at the Nā Koa/Alec Waterhouse Memorial Awards Lū‘au: http://www.nakoa.org/. Stretch and his committee have been working hard on this event for months.

  30. Slugger November 17, 2013 8:52 am

    Good morning, gang!


  31. pu'uwai November 17, 2013 8:54 am

    Aloha kakahiaka. Hope all players that can return and those that are waiting in the wings come back. There is good quality players on this team and more awaiting their turn.

    Retro helmets were terrible.

    Imua Rainbow Warriors!!!

  32. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 8:57 am

    I didn’t mean to imply people have to like rebuilding.
    But that’s the reality.
    Hey, I’m a Mets fan. Because of the Madoff scandal, management had no money. So they said it would be a three-year process until 2014, when they could start spending.

  33. Inyoface November 17, 2013 8:57 am

    Roughing the kicker call was a huge blow.

  34. Inyoface November 17, 2013 8:59 am

    At least we’re more competitive this year, next year the table needs to be flipped in our favor.

  35. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 9:00 am


    Uniform color is moot point, they’ll be in road whites.

    In any case, anything will be better than the BVD skid mark colored uniforms of Wyoming.

  36. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 9:02 am

    Team needs a Hawaiian blessing, visit a shrine (like baseball teams in Japan), or do a Fire Walking, anything to get some luck on their side.

  37. UHfan808 November 17, 2013 9:03 am

    Good day after game day morning, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! 🙂

  38. kev-1 November 17, 2013 9:04 am

    Former UH . . . It would be nice to see the retro rainbow incorporated to a white jersey too, though.

  39. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 9:06 am

    Would have liked to have seen “Gold” helmets like when UH beat Washington in 1973.



  40. RedZone November 17, 2013 9:08 am

    Eagles offense tearing apart Skins defense.

  41. oneseason November 17, 2013 9:12 am

    With respect to margin of loss, this season is significantly better than 2012. This season, the Fresno St, UNLV, Colorado St, and San Diego State losses have all been by 7 points or less. With some breaks, we could be looking at a 4-6 record instead of 0-10. And considering that neither Wyoming nor Army should be insurmountable, I guess it could have easily been a 6-6 season.

    Looking forward though, the start of the 2014 season is hopefully something the powers that be are planning for.

    Best Loss….-12…..-2
    Worst Loss..-47…..-37
    Ave Loss…..-31…..-14

    Hawaii vs. Wyoming: TBD (48-7 loss to Boise St; 4 and 6 so far); 2012 NA
    Hawaii vs. Army: TBD (BYE; 21-17 loss to W. Kentucky; 3 and 7 so far); 2012 NA
    Hawaii vs. Washington: 8/30/2014
    Hawaii vs. Oregon State: 9/6/2014
    Hawaii vs. Northern Iowa: 9/13/2014
    Hawaii vs. Colorado: 9/20/2014

  42. Inyoface November 17, 2013 9:12 am

    Will Harding be an NFL punter?

  43. Boolakanaka November 17, 2013 9:12 am

    Thanks ST, and I was aware that he was “contractually safe” but was referring more to that institutional neutering that can occur in these types of situations. As most of us know, a HC in football must be able to work “all corners of the room.” Thus, from the playing field, to boosters, to upper campus to the media and public.

    My fear is the psychic and carte blanch damage he his taken these past two years, so that he can hold down the entire tent, so to speak. All good football coaches have a pronounced verve when they walk center stage, but it’s also equally important the institution allow and cultivate the ability to allow the person to walk with such carriage. In short, I’m fearful that he will be on a “short lease” for the remainder of his tenure.

  44. UHfan808 November 17, 2013 9:16 am

    Thanks for the tee-shirt pics on yesterday’s post, ST!

    Loved their retro uniforms with matching accessories last nite!

    Especially thot the shiny metallic green sneaker undersides

    ..And that I could clearly see their jersey numbers! Hehe Way to go!

  45. erich November 17, 2013 9:18 am

    If Chow is “safe” for another year then we are in big trouble.

    Season ticket sales are going to plummet.

    Recruits aren’t going to want to play for a coach that literally can’t win and makes gaffes like he’s getting too old to coach.

    Been a Hawaii fan my whole life and it seems increasingly like I’m the last one that even cares anymore … people my age tuning out.

    Very sad.

  46. wasabi November 17, 2013 9:20 am

    24- With all due respect Mr. Tsai…you have been guilty of pushing the No Talent bs the past 2 seasons. Do you really believe what you are selling?

  47. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 9:23 am

    What ever happened to Alan Sampson and S.Anguay?

  48. kev-1 November 17, 2013 9:25 am

    pj2 . . . Anguay played last night. Even had a reception.

  49. kev-1 November 17, 2013 9:25 am

    Sampson got hurt . . . again.

  50. PowderPuff November 17, 2013 9:26 am

    I believe Sampson got hurt at the beginning of the year – out for the season. Anguay had a reception.

  51. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 9:27 am

    So Sampson can redshirt then. Thanks for the info.

  52. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 9:28 am

    Noticed our kick return didn’t do much last night. Maybe I’m spoiled.

  53. Da Punchbowl Kid November 17, 2013 9:29 am

    I feel really bad for the players, specially the seniors. Proud of all of them but this has to be very hard for them and their families. Good guys, all of them.

    And the Zebras were shameful last night!

  54. erich November 17, 2013 9:30 am

    The fact is that June Jones won in 1999 with many, many players from the 0-12 season.

    The starting QB for the 1998 season was the same as the 1999 season. If you look at the roster in 1998, you will see a lot of familiar faces, including many that were on the offensive line.

    There are major problems this season that can’t be explained by just dismissing it as “rebuilding” or lack of talent. I remember that people were complaining about the lack of talent on the 1998 team, especially with Robinson, and that same guy lead the greatest historical turnaround. Did immense talent suddenly appear in a 6 month stretch, or was he the same guy but he coached up?

    If people want to hide behind the “rebuilding” word to convince themselves that things will get better with Chow in the future, that’s fine. But you’d have to ignore all the problems hitting you right in the face with the coaching.

  55. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 9:40 am

    $400,000-$600,000 is way more than $170,000 even if 25% is subtracted from the total. At $600k, that’s a paycheck of $50,000 a month. Can survive on that in Hawaii and save money too.

  56. D Brown November 17, 2013 9:41 am

    Mr Tsai, you seem to put this on the players (i.e. lack of talent when Chow took over). Why not just admit it’s poor coaching and a poor system, like most can see? I don’t buy the lack of talent arguement at all. The service academies have the least talented players in D1. Still, because of good coaching and a system that works when you don’t have the fastest or biggest players, they are able to have some level of success.

  57. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 9:42 am

    Give next coach an incentive loaded contract like a % rise in attendance, class room/grades, wins, etc. Sign low with many incentives. I’m not saying next year, but whenever.

  58. kev-1 November 17, 2013 9:47 am

    papalaloco . . . just curious, what kind of offense does Dino Babers run out there?

  59. Ipu Man November 17, 2013 9:47 am

    The refs did us in (again) and the injuries.

  60. UHfan808 November 17, 2013 9:50 am

    There were a lot of things to work on but last nite’s game is still more positive than negative for me.

    Coaches and players definitely have their work cut our for them

    But I’m still as hopeful as ever if not even more so

    Stay hopeful for the team and us fans yet expect the best – for the team to constantly raise their bar.

    As fans, we also have to know how to be (good – which is actually redundant lol) team players and let the leader lead the way he needs to.

    Basically, if you’re the leader, you get to call the shots, that is, you earn your own way to becoming the leader. Until then? You have to learn how to be a good follower and lead according to the leader’s lead. That’s just the way it is. If not, we’ll have utter chaos and factions – everyone having their own ideas and opinions about what to do and what should be done – tearing up and breaking down the team which leads to poor uncoordinated team effort which is definitely NOT what we want or need at this point in time. There’s a reason for the saying, all for one and one for all!

    Then – If you as team player did everything you were supposed to do (according to what the leader said you need to do) did not work, then you should respectfully communicate with your leader and let him/her know the results you achieved so that adjustments can be (re-)considered and made. Your effectiveness as a leader under the leader is in your ability to communicate with the leader about what you see needs to be adjusted.

    Either you are going to agree with the leader or you’re not.

    If you are a leader under the leader then it’s your job and responsibility to find out exactly what the leader wants – which often means setting aside your own ego and as long as it’s not something unsafe, immoral, or illegal – so you can better communicate (in only in respectful ways) the leader’s wishes to the team players under you. Of course there are things you can do to incorporate your own style but overall you still have to follow the leader’s lead in order to make the entire effort successful.

    If you are a leader representing the leader and or are one of the players but you just cannot find a ways to communicate your ideas or suggestions in a productive, constructive way (who said communication is easy?) and be respectful of the leader’s wishes which is to follow along until you can successfully justify to the leader why a change(s) must be made, then you just do not belong on the team.

    Going against the leader’s efforts means – you will create frustration angst and dissention within the team and the team will have a harder time getting to success.

  61. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 9:51 am

    3 coaches that I can think of at UH with local ties that didn’t do to well as head coaches. Von Appen (AD’s college roommate), Coach Price (local all the way), and Coach Chow (local boy). I do know that June Jones played for UH for a year or two and was successful coaching here though. There may be others but I just can’t think of any during my time (late 60s to present).

  62. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 9:52 am

    Dino Babers name, is reportedly, being mentioned as a possible candidate to become the next head coach at the University of Illinois. Illinois currently pays their HC $1.6 million a year.

  63. erich November 17, 2013 9:53 am

    re: 58.

    I think the service academies are a great comparison re: coaching and supposed player talent.

    Is there anyone who thinks Chow would be able to win even 3 games a year if he were at Navy, or Army? Yet former Hawaii assistants are able to do it.

    Coaching coaching coaching. Even if we say that we don’t have a lot of “talent” (which I don’t necessarily accept) we shouldn’t be doing this badly. The players deserve better.

  64. markazulu November 17, 2013 9:58 am

    I love the effort but we all know 0-10 is unacceptable. We need to get better everywhere from coaching, players, marketing, equipment, and even fans as a whole the program needs to be better.

  65. PLau November 17, 2013 10:04 am

    Check out the Baylor coach that just hit pay dirt. His teams were bad for a long time. Now they rock.

  66. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 10:07 am

    UHfan808, Thanks for being positive, but, if your leader is taking your company down, maybe towards having your company fold. Or, if you, as a leader under the leader, speak out to the leader, will get fired then what is the point? If you know football (and I trust you do) then you know that this season has been very, very hard to watch. So much frustration is going on with our so called “football knowledgeable” fans. The 1st game of the year against USC, I was happy that we were competitive (better than last year) but lost, thinking that we will do alright this season, even though I thought USC wasn’t the normal USC. Every game this year I was so disappointed with the way the game was played. Not just some of the games, but every game. We are 0-10. When will the bleeding stop? I think it has to do more with coaching than fans in the stands. Even if we won all our games, we still will get haters as every team does. But now, except for a very few people like yourself, most of the fans are frustrated. Aren’t you?

  67. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 10:10 am

    Yup, if we wait too long for a cheap, very successful head coach, the big budget schools will scoop them up, be it this year or next year.

  68. Warrior Dave November 17, 2013 10:11 am

    I think one of the reasons Chow hires young coaches is so they will not question him. Chow thinks everything is easy to fix but must be frustrated his concept cannot be taught or the players cannot grasp and execute it. Chow is also stubborn in he thinks he can do it all offensively. Although he got rid of his OC, the offensive side if the ball is still lacking coaches to teach.

    I could feel the momentum slipping away after SDSU drove for the tiring TD, our terrible last drive in regulation. I’m sick SDSU scored so easily in OT and had a strong feeling we wouldn’t respond after our first down play call. The TD pass to Joey was imaginative. That was something new or I haven’t seen this season. We need more imaginative play calling in order to be successful.

  69. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 10:13 am

    Hawaii may still have an appeal for coaches with families to live here. Especially coaches that went to school here.

  70. LizKauai (mbp) November 17, 2013 10:14 am

    Mahalo, Tsai-kos!
    You wonderful human beings make life and Rainbow Warrior Football a joy regardless of circumstances…
    T-Gates are the best place to celebrate or console…

    And check in with each other during significant events. <3

  71. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 10:29 am

    #68: Agree that nothing ventured, nothing gained, but money talks, too. Who else would you recommend as HC besides Babers? What is Dan Hawkins doing now? Is he coaching somewhere? Ron McBride, former Utah coach and one time UH HC candidate would have jump at the chance if he were 10-years younger and in better health. McBride love recruiting Hawaii and the people here.

    Sure, there’s lot of frustrated fans. Unless AD Ben Jay has secret plan (or rich donor in the works), it looks like it will be a long off-season. I am not sure that someone like Coach Chow (with his pride) would bring in someone like SDSU’s Bob Toledo as OC. If he did bring in someone noteworthy to kick start the offense, it would certainly create some interest into 2014.

  72. kris November 17, 2013 10:45 am

    The things that irritate me:

    The coaching doesn’t seem to be able to put the players in position to win. Seems like they were playing to tie and go into overtime last night.

    I don’t buy the talent issue. It’s a scheme issue. The scheme relies on having players at the same level or better than your opponent. My main concern from the beginning of this regime is would Chow be able to recruit players of a level that no other UH staff has been able to recruit? The jury is still out on this although I do admit the talent level is significantly better. The problem is how long can we wait?

    Coaches bizarre love affair with SS. While no one will ever be able to doubt SS guts, he tries so hard it hurts me to watch. But he is not and will never be a D-1 level QB. Achingly slow release, takes forever to decide where to throw, floating passes, nice touch long but SO INACCURATE short! Seems like coach is trying to prove a point playing him, saying “you see! I know”

    Coaches response to a question, that was on his OC 16 show or call the coach a few weeks ago. Was something about “why not throw short…” or “throw to the receivers back shoulder”. His response was something like “we don’t really practice that play…” WHAT? that should be a primary throw! What is he making the QB’s practice? It was an “ah haa” moment to me at the end of the 1st half when they couldn’t make a 1st down and punted.

    When you want to be a control maniac and micro manage everything, don’t spread the blame. When things work out well go ahead take all the credit, but when things go haywire, you fall on the sword yourself.

    Coach is chasing. My dad told me on my first trip to Vegas. If you start losing don’t chase. Take a break and come back. It seems evident to me coach is desperately chasing. Tricky, complicated plays that take forever to develop and seem to be difficult for some players to understand, doom him to failure.
    JJ’s r&s and Wag’s triple option were practiced till the players could execute the plays in their sleep. They relied on the fact that all defenses will have occasional break downs.
    Don’t get me wrong, its evident the players are chasing desperately too, I have never seen so many defensive offside calls in one year.

    In spite of all this, I’m going to the last game. I feel bad for the players, I feel bad for the seniors. I wish there was some way we could guarantee a full house for them. They deserve it more than almost every other RW football team in recent memory.

  73. Jack Flash November 17, 2013 10:49 am

    The boys really deserved a win last night, but poor coaching let them down.

  74. ai-eee-soos November 17, 2013 10:50 am

    bringing back Rolo as OC/QB coach would take the heat off HC.

    But, still need RB and WR coaches.

    on DEF, need DC and LB coaches. Phew !

  75. obachan November 17, 2013 10:51 am

    I’m all for giving Gib & Charlie new contracts as they have proven themselves as head coaches. Chow has by no means perhaps with the exception of recruiting responsibilities demonstrated that he belongs in the same category. Thus to extend his tenure as head coach is unfathomable to me. Then again, many decisions made by this oft-dysfunctional institution defy explanation so all in all – par for the course. Mediocrity reigns!

  76. Jonj November 17, 2013 11:00 am

    Polymom… I guess your not the brightest… It’s simple math really. If Dino barbers makes $170,000 a year and moves to Hawaii and makes $550,000 a year that’s more than tripling his money. Yes Hawaii is 25% more expensive but with a 300% raise I think he’ll manage. And your arguement of sending his girls to punahou or Iolani maybe accurate. But I would send my girls to one of the top schools in the country if I cold afford it. Or he could send his girls to sacred hearts or maryknoll for much less.

  77. kev-1 November 17, 2013 11:13 am

    Papalaloco #66 . . . then I’m all for it.

  78. gobows November 17, 2013 11:14 am

    owen ten
    owen ten
    owen ten

    can’t wait for army

  79. Andrew November 17, 2013 11:15 am


    For next season, what do you think is the win mark that Chow has to reach in order to safely secure his job?

  80. A-House November 17, 2013 11:17 am


    1) does a HC position is always on the field of play?

    2) do many credit Chow for recruiting when we know very little as who is the responsible,successful recruiter?

    3) did a few General officers in Viet Nam fly around in helicopters and relive “platoon leaders” fighting a battle on the ground? I agree that being “up top” gives you a better perspective of what’s happening on the ground, but did not agree with the decision to get replace a young 2d Lt whose career was then destroyed. It would have been better if the General relayed what he sees to the Division Cdr or, if urgent, call the platoon leader directly with information that will be helpful in defeating the enemy.

    4) does UH defense a lot worse then the 1st 2 games on the season?

    5) is Norm Chow’s 3rd year a “lock”? Because of an unbreakable contract? No such animal exists in this world.

    Will B Jay really crunch the financial numbers, and if terrible, decide to keep the Football coach? It would seem contradictory to sound financial planning.

    Point #3 is directed at all those who chose to take the course to defeat rather than work together to be successful.

  81. A-House November 17, 2013 11:19 am

    sorry – #4 should be “is”; not does

  82. Old Diver November 17, 2013 11:21 am

    There is a definite lack of talent on the team. It’s the coaching staff from the top man on down.

  83. gobows November 17, 2013 11:24 am

    they loss to a team that had a terrible qb.

  84. gobows November 17, 2013 11:29 am


    raise the bar…right now the bar is on the ground, and they keep tripping over it.

    again half time adjustments wins it for the other team.

  85. obachan November 17, 2013 11:31 am

    #60 Babers runs an up tempo style offense. Some interesting insights:
    From his starting QB:
    “Probably the most impressive thing is his leadership,” Garoppolo said. “He really has a presence about him. We all know who runs the team. Coach Babers is a little different in practice compared to games. He’s a little calmer in games. In practice, he’ll get after us at certain times. He’s not afraid to tell you what he thinks you need to do better. I really like that.”

    Perhaps UH which conducts its interviewing/hiring process as if it were a special ops mission could learn something from Eastern Illinios, after all UH is still a public institution:
    “Babers was one of four finalists brought in to replace Spoo. Eastern Illinois handles its coaching searches a bit differently than most schools, letting the finalists answer questions from residents, fans or media during a public session.
    “His ability to communicate in a positive way was obvious from the very beginning,” Burke said. “He has strong family relationships that I felt created a sense of stability. His football background, including the individuals he had worked with, was outstanding. We both wanted the same thing for the Eastern Illinois program. We wanted to elevate expectations, and I believe that has and is being done.”

    UH has been plagued this season by a plethora of miscues on both sides of the ball. Perhaps “practice does makes perfect” as described by an Eastern Illinois lineman:
    “One of the first times I met him, he was talking about tempo and how fast the offense would be,” Seibert said. “We were all sitting there thinking the practices would be tough. They get easier as the year goes on. Running a no-huddle offense, you have to make it high-tempo and keep it going. Every play we run, we practice hundreds of times before we use it in games.


  86. gobows November 17, 2013 11:35 am

    #87 a-house

    answer to 4, the loss of julian austin gener. he was clearly the best player out there.

  87. jeezy33 November 17, 2013 11:38 am

    BEst O linemen in the state…. Now this is a big pick up…. Screw the rivals ranks… This guy is light years better than Kapoi

  88. gobows November 17, 2013 11:39 am

    Kealakehe O-lineman Tavita “Tui” Eli told the Star-Advertiser and Warrior Beat he has accepted a UH offer. #hawaiifb #WarriorBeat

    tweet from stephen tsai

  89. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 17, 2013 11:41 am

    With 2 games left, I hope Chow just starts the QB that has the most potential to start next season. Get him the live game reps and the experience.

    I hope we can pick up an OC who isn’t afraid to score. Running up the middle over and over regardless of the time and score is super duper interesting and creative but I’d like to see an OC who will make our receivers play a bigger part of the offense.

  90. obachan November 17, 2013 11:41 am

    #83 And don’t forget the home school option – will save you a hunk of change compared to private school tuition. All my kids were home-schooled. My oldest graduated w/honors, finished grad school & now has a good job. My other one still working on completing his engineering degree. Kudos to my wife – da bestest teacha!

  91. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2013 11:43 am

    Eli appears to be a good get.
    Saw him after the game. Big buggah.

  92. BigWave96744 November 17, 2013 11:46 am

    #51 Allen Sampson redshirted last year.
    He will be a senior next year

  93. BigWave96744 November 17, 2013 11:48 am

    Wonder which recruits will trip the Army game for the senior walk and Nakoa Banquet.
    That’s usually a big weekend for trips

  94. obachan November 17, 2013 11:50 am

    I hear “Eli’s Coming” by Three Dog Night playing in the background.

  95. Warrior Dave November 17, 2013 11:51 am

    Love the way Chow and his coaches recruit. Maybe the best talent in years. Think I’ll stop here.

  96. Whats up November 17, 2013 11:52 am

    Anyone with a lick of common sense could guess that Chow is safe for next season, he is rebuilding the program. But having said that the 2014 football season will have to be a Hawaii Bowl game type season after going 0-10 this season so far.

  97. BigWave96744 November 17, 2013 11:52 am

    Curious to hear the post game review by the MWC officials and what bonehead excuse and apology they will give to Hawaii.

  98. obachan November 17, 2013 12:01 pm

    0-10 is not rebuilding by any stretch of the imagination; self-destructing more like it

  99. oneseason November 17, 2013 12:02 pm

    Ferd’s column today, “Muema is latest running back to give UH defense headaches”, noted that the San Diego State game had the lowest attendance (23,229) of the 2013 season. Of course the half price ticket promotion will have been in effect for quite a while before the Military Night game against Army, so the next home game attendance could be a lot better.

    Early this season, it was reported (see link) that the 2013 season ticket sales were 18,194 versus 20,821 in 2012. To put that into perspective, the article notes the “Sugar Bowl” season sales were 27,705 and the year after that were 23,976.

    The article also comments that “Season tickets range from a high of $375 per person for sideline seats to $75 for the upper sections.” Assuming $200/ticket, the 2627 season ticket sales drop from 2012 to 2013 would be about $525,000. The estimated revenue decrease seems small compared to AKA’s almost $7 million donation to the athletic department for fiscal 2013. However, that’s about a 13% drop in seating from 2012 to 2013, about the HC’s salary, and volatility in AKA donations is not considered.


  100. SteveM November 17, 2013 12:03 pm

    Good morning everyone!

    November 17th, 2013 at 11:41 am
    With 2 games left, I hope Chow just starts the QB that has the most potential to start next season. Get him the live game reps and the experience….

    Very diplomatically said! Roger dat!

  101. hossana November 17, 2013 12:08 pm

    My patience has run thin and I need to say that the coaching is one of the main problems for this team. Play calling has been atrocious and even some of the high school coaches at last nite’s game said that coaching and playcalling has been terrible for UH. No excuses for the penalties, play calling, basic techniques, defense strategies……why do we pay coaches to learn how to be H.C. Geezus, we did that with Mack and now Chow…Next year there has to be a winning record or Chow must be terminated or for the sake of the program, this old man should resign. Nothing more and nothing less.

  102. Don Weir November 17, 2013 12:30 pm

    Great to see fellow UH Football alums on the sidelines in support of the team: Mike Biscotti, Eric Hannum, Bernard Carvalho, Travis Sims.

  103. BigWave96744 November 17, 2013 12:50 pm

    Gary Dickman asked me if the guy by us was Travis Sims.
    I said, “Look at the calves…”
    Case closed 🙂

  104. Leahi2 November 17, 2013 12:56 pm

    I vote for Forest Green……..as if mattered. Also get rid of that stupid looking UofH patch with the rainbow attached to it. To me its just an unsightly whatever you might call it. It looks like it could be rainbow toilet paper dangling from the roll. No to white helmets. No to white pants. But yes to the rainbow piping on the pants.

  105. obachan November 17, 2013 12:59 pm

    After all these years you mean to tell me that Travis Sims still has those muscular calves? Used to see him walking in shorts on campus back in the day. Sadly, the only thing that is significantly large on my body is my opu.

  106. Buffoman November 17, 2013 1:03 pm

    Was Fakava the other back with Sims?

  107. Bowwar November 17, 2013 1:08 pm

    I agree, we may as well build or prepare for next season…Get folks who wil be here next year prepared and hopefully, get this boat turned around.

  108. Fan November 17, 2013 1:22 pm

    So for me it goes this way…..leave the game feeling stunned and disappointed…..wonder how I continue to subject myself to this misery….even after 25 years as a season ticket holder……then slowly I start to feel grateful we have a team…..realistic about how it may not continue into the future…..hope that coach Chow is on his own learning curve and that he will have the humility to make the changes he needs to make in himself…..he needs an OC….he cannot manage the game and be an effective OC and HC at the same time…..I don’t see anything but coach Chow being retained next year….if next year is the same I hope he will be an honorable man and step aside without imposing financial hardship on the program…..with the simple admission that he cannot get the job done…..still hope he succeeds and haven’t given up on the possibility…..I wonder about our DC….our first half game planning seems generally ok….after the opponent makes second half adjustments we look awful….so that’s how it goes for me…..my brother is moving to the mainland and will leave behind his two seasons tickets….I think I’ll pick them up along with my own and try to convince unsuspecting friends to come along next year…..it’s best to support the team if we can…..but next year is it for me……if it’s more of the same I think I’ll find other ways to use my Saturday nights…..I might live longer that way……for those of you who have had enough…..I understand…..I’m there sometimes myself…..but this is our team and I’m hanging in….for now

  109. erich November 17, 2013 1:45 pm

    re: 117.

    That’s a cryptic tweet. The article basically suggests that Chow’s terrible season is dooming the program. What’s Jay implying by tweeting the article?

  110. RedZone November 17, 2013 1:49 pm

    I no mind rebuilding as long as it is not every year.

  111. Buffoman November 17, 2013 1:55 pm

    If more fans were like Fan #116, a large piece of the picture of where UH athletics will be in the future would be answered. If “fans” will only support a winning season and will abandon the only game in town when we struggle the unwanted answer may come sooner than we would want. If that happens and football goes away don’t expect a resurrection.

    When its gone, it will be gone.

    I don’t think people who complain realize how difficult it is to keep athletics at the UH. I give Ben Jay real props for giving it his best shot and would not hold it against him if he simply could not do it. That one is on us, the “fan base”.

    We need more “Fans” like #116.

  112. Old Diver November 17, 2013 1:55 pm

    Does anyone believe poor officiating is the main cause of a winless season? Or is just another one of the endless excuses to explain a 3 and 19 record.

  113. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 2:02 pm

    Good news on the recruiting front!

    Congrats to Eli on his commitment. UH will have plenty of new tools to try out next year at OLine…. That’s exactly what they need.

    Looking at his video… Definitely going to be OLine. He’s not agile or explosive enough to play On defensive side. He’s got a big frame, but he’s slow… He’s going to need to lose some fluff to quicken him up so he can block pass rushers. I like his ability to pull from the tackle position. That’s good.

    Not enough pass blocking shown in video, so can’t tell how his protection skills are. He can maul the small local boys in the run game, but D1 doesn’t have 5’10” 210lb DLinemen.

    Definitely going to need intense S&C program in offseason to lose soft weight and add muscle. Probably will redshirt like most true freshmen linemen. He has the frame and potential to be a monster in a couple years.

    In any case, nice grab by Naeole and company in keeping Eli in state.

  114. erich November 17, 2013 2:13 pm

    re: 120

    I agree to an extent. Fans can’t just abandon a team when there’s a losing season. We see examples on the mainland of some bigger teams just going nuts and being too sensitive with some coaches when they lose even one game or have a ‘down’ season, which might just be 3-4 loses. If fans gave up after a losing season, well even June Jones had a losing season.

    The problem though is that it’s not just one season here — it’s the initial season, and possibly a tie for the worst coached season in history by wins and losses. We talk about rebuilding, but we’re not building anything — we have no wins. If Chow hits the 0-12 mark, that’s the mark of death for a coach. Coaches do not come back from that. If you look at the programs that had 0-12 season, none of them ever had a winning season with that coach. It’s hard for me to blame fans for giving up on Chow with no wins.

  115. jeezy33 November 17, 2013 2:16 pm

    24. I’ll admit I see progress and I do see upgrade in talent… My main concern is the sloppy plays. Aside from the Tulimaseallii running into the kicker penalty, SDSU was one of the best games all year Hawaii has played as far as penalties and winning turnover battle.

    I am hoping with a veteran squad returning minus QB(most important position), the penalties and unforced errors will be reduced.

    The 1 positive to look at is Hawaii most likely will be bringing in a new QB to compete for a starting job. Fresno, San Jose St. , UNLV will lose their starting QBs. SDSU QB isn’t that good although he makes clutch throws with game on line.

  116. My take November 17, 2013 2:41 pm

    When it comes to football, Ben Jay is just a puppet like Donovan was. He has no power to fire Chow. He can’t even fire TK cause that’s Chow’s buddy. The power belongs to guys like Blangiardi and the rest of those in power. So get ready for another year of S.O.S. And they have no QB for next year either

  117. Whats up November 17, 2013 2:47 pm

    The article is right, Hawaii has no mega rich donors to help build new facilities. The former UH players that play/ed in the NFL, CFL, Arena Football can only do so much. As we all seen from Tsai pics from Utah facilities that Hawaii used between games. Hawaii doesn’t have a Alex Smith type high paid NFL star to donate to like Utah. Ben Jay says the right things (Just like all the AD’s should) but already gave in to the pressure of the Rainbow crowd which will kill mainland HS 3 to 5 star talent in recruiting. So UH will have to find a bunch of diamond in the rough players but thank god the Local Boys are committing to the home team.

    Junes Jones left, it’s been all downhill since but even though the 2nd year of Norm Chow is a disastrous 0-10 so far. Next season will be the make or break 3rd year for Norm Chow that Hawaii fans/Alumni expect improvement of at least a Hawaii Bowl bid. Recruiting mainland 3 to 5 High School has just gotten harder for the current and future Rainbow Head Coach. I do think Ben Jay is in way above his head as AD at UH, UH should have hired a experienced AD not a assistant. In one way that could be said about Norm Chow but the difference is Chow resume and body of work speaks volumes for his qualifications for the head coach job, while Ben Jay body of work doesn’t. Oh well?

  118. kev-1 November 17, 2013 2:49 pm

    Ben Jay’s tweet is proof that the powers that be, despite their lofty public comments about wanting to be prepared for the next big conference realignment, are trying to prepare Hawaii for dropping out of D1 football. He is trying to take the heat off of him and Chow by implying that “well, Hawaii just can’t compete with other schools because of budget, etc.”

    I know we have budget woes. But you know what? For MANY years, the product that UH has put on the field has been respectable to say the least. I think it is a major cop out for Jay to tweet that. That is a big time coward move. This guy has put EVERYTHING on the donors and fans and shoulders ZERO blame. Nor does he put any of the blame on his head coach.

  119. kev-1 November 17, 2013 2:52 pm

    Why the heck would our own AD tweet that?

  120. Warrior Dave November 17, 2013 3:01 pm

    #120, Ben Jay has been here for less than a year. Haven’t seen anything he’s done this far to give him props yet. Oh he did re-institute the Rainbow into the nickname but where are all the fans that were supposedly coming back now that it’s changed??? All lip service by those so called fans of the program but I will continue to purchase season tickets to he 3 sports I currently support, including the football program.

  121. Warrior Dave November 17, 2013 3:10 pm

    Unless UH hits the Megabucks slot machine or gets a Larry Ellison on board, Chow is coming back unless he quits. No more $1.7 million to buy out his contract people! Please try to understand that BJ’s hands are tied. The can support is crashing over the last two years under Chow. O-10 season coupled with only 3 wins last year will do that. BJ is hoping recruiting will continue to improve this year. Although season renewals will again drop this year, he is PRAYING Chow can win early and often next year and bring in revenue.

  122. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 3:20 pm

    131…. I’m Thinking its a propaganda job. Stirring the pot for us to murmur over.

    If UH drops athletics, which I severely doubt would happen, what the heck are sports fans going to do?

    I do see some non-revenue sports going away, but probably the ones where they can keep the Title IX balance… M/W Golf, M/W Tennis, Swimming and Diving, & Coed Sailing for example. That’s at least a few hundred thousand saved right there.

    Football will be profitable again in future once things turn around. Just have to weather the storm and root for Fresno St to run the table to get the BCS cash for the MW schools. Basketball is going to make money for the foreseeable future with the direction Gib Arnold is leading them.

  123. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 3:29 pm

    133… Mega bucks will only be a bandaid. We need powerball jackpot.

    Hmm… If only state lawmakers would pull their heads out of the sand legalize lottery & scratch tickets….

    CA Lottery produces $1Billion annually for California public schools. If Hawaii only pulls in 5% of what the CA lotto pulls in, that’s $50,000,000 for the state. Let’s say HI lawmakers get greedy and only gives education $20,000,000… That’s more than enough cheese to filter its way through to the UH Athletic department….

    Just sayin…. But that’ll never happen because politicians are stupid.

  124. Moocher November 17, 2013 3:33 pm

    i like many others been saying long time UH football will be gone from D1.

    what’s making it easy for jay, apple and others to make this decision if it comes to it is that perhaps more then being in the red is seeing how not enough fans and corporate do not back the program regardless of wins or losses.

    chow was and is the last hope, that’s partly why he will be here next year. so many complain, so few do anything but complain. the team is competing, wins will come. the best thing about 0-12 if it gets to that, is that it can’t be any worse next year…that’s why JJ had it easy his first year, he could’ve went 1-11 and everyone would be saying hey the team did better then last year…DUHHHHHHHHHHHH

    JJ this and JJ that, bring back JJ, get it over it!
    bring back this guy, bring back that guy, get it over it! Because if you don’t, then cry a river as you complain and say bring back D1 football.

    in my opinion the team with chow as the HC, an OC, but perhaps without TK, will be on target to hit a bowl game next year and draw in a good crowd come christmas next year.

    I 100% believe it is next year that will tell if we keep D1 football or lose it.
    we take too much for granted.

  125. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 3:34 pm

    According to CA Lottery… 50% of revenue is returned as prize money, 34% of revenue goes directly back to public education, a maximum of 16% is allocated for administration costs.

    Yes… the 34% cut is approx $1 Billion… For the non-math people, that’s about $3 billion worth of lotto tickets/scratch tickets sold annually just in California.

    Just sayin…

  126. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 3:56 pm

    This guy sounds intriguing:


    He currently earns a salary of $113,000 a year.

  127. boolakanaka November 17, 2013 4:09 pm

    FUHA as a point of clarification, that last poll taken in regard to public support of both casino gaming and a state lottery, had a majority of the respondents, albeit if I recall at 52%, not supporting a state lottery. This was a poll conducted by the Star-Advertiser. Thus, it is not merely at the discretion of elected officials, but also reflects the sentiments of the general population, if just barely by a majority.

  128. Moocher November 17, 2013 4:22 pm

    lottery in hawaii should have been done years ago.
    legalized gambling in Hawaii should have been done years ago. my god if straight laced singapore has gambling and casinos why cant we? the way they do it in singapore is they charge locals $100 to enter a casino that is atop a hotel.

    so far what they have noticed in singapore since legalization of gambling is not an increase of prostitution or drugs, but more pawn shops opening up. and that’s ok since things stay liquid and no real debt is occurring by way of loan sharks or other things.

  129. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 4:46 pm

    #139 boola~ didn’t the majority of people vote against same sex marriage but the state still passed it?

  130. kapakahi November 17, 2013 4:51 pm


    Not any lack of talent…..just some lack of defensive speed…..especially on the perimeter against the run.

  131. boolakanaka November 17, 2013 4:53 pm

    141–Actually from the recent polls I reviewed, that is not quite true: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/23089592/statewide-same-sex-marriage-poll-indicates-greater-support-less-opposition andhttp://hawaiiunitedformarriage.org/poll-finds-majority-support-for-marriage-equality-in-hawaii/ and http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/01/poll-majority-of-hawaii-voters-support-legalizing-same-sex-marriage/

  132. boolakanaka November 17, 2013 4:55 pm

    142..The one game I did see in person, UNLV, UH was frequently beat on the perimeter and exploited in the flats. What should have been 4-6 gains, were a half-dozen times, at least, for gains of 15 yards plus–nice observation.

  133. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 4:57 pm

    I’m thinking if UH looses football, what would all the local players on the team do? Most of them don’t want to go to the mainland for school for various reasons. The mainland schools would accept very few of the players to play football unless it is very small schools. The high school players, if they don’t want to live on the mainland, will not be able to play football. What about former players like Rich Miano, Chad Owens, and many other walk ons, would they have gotten a chance to showcase their talent by being given a chance at a D1 program on the mainland? Mind bending.

  134. kapakahi November 17, 2013 4:58 pm

    While obviously great to have Joey back……don’t like that now DSJ seems completely out of the RB rotation the past 2 games.

    While Lakalaka has been solid, would still like to see DSJ get some touches as a change of pace……..just like Aztecs did last night mixing in their small scatback…….like Will Gregory provided last season.

  135. kapakahi November 17, 2013 5:02 pm

    Warrior DL got really get nicked up heading into the 4th quarter and OT……forced to play back-up DEs…….one a walk-on (Niko Uti)……with Yap and Woodard injured.

  136. boolakanaka November 17, 2013 5:07 pm

    Just to clarify on the gambling issue in Hawai’i, and a rather legitimate point to consider as a potnetial source of revenue, regardless of what side of the issue you stand, I can say as former general counsel to Senator Inouye, that he had a heavy influence on the both the congressional delegation and the elected state officials. See; http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/01/poll-majority-of-hawaii-voters-support-legalizing-same-sex-marriage/ and http://hcalg.org/

    At present, this is a dearth and vacuum of a pivotal political leader in Hawai’i and thus, maybe the electorate will make a shift on the issue–time will tell.

  137. Bugaz November 17, 2013 5:17 pm

    I heard DS friend is committed to the Buffs

  138. boolakanaka November 17, 2013 5:18 pm

    Opps- e kala mai, I place the wrong cite on my last post: http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2002/Jan/11/ln/ln02a.html and http://archives.starbulletin.com/2002/01/11/news/index3.html

  139. D Brown November 17, 2013 5:19 pm

    E-Rich, you are correct, Chow will NEVER be able to recover from a 0-12 season (or even a 1-11 record). The fans will never forgive him and support will will continue to decline from the already low level it is at now. UH will be lucky to have a mediocre season next year (at best), which will not get fans back in the seats or generate the required revenue.

    If UH keeps Chow after this year, they are basically punting on the future of UH football. Like many have said, college football is a business (specifically an entertainment business). The product being put on the field right now just isn’t worth the cost the average fans have to pay. So, the “businessmen” in charge have to figure out a way to make it entertaining again. Anyone who says that plan should involve Chow knows nothing about how businesses are profitable.

  140. papajoe2 November 17, 2013 6:04 pm

    Popololoco, tornados in Illinois. Isn’t that where Dino Babers’ school is? God Bless those people out there.

  141. Not an Expert November 17, 2013 6:14 pm

    Can I write something let’s see.

  142. Not an Expert November 17, 2013 6:20 pm

    Okay they allowed me back all though I don’t input much. All I can say is that they got rid of the best potential quarterback last year. He would have been able to adjust being one of the most athletic QB left from the Mack era. It just goes to show the mind set of Chow, I’ll do it my way with SS. He does not seem to be a motivator and looks like a grumpy old man. Oh yeah he is an old man.

  143. Not an Expert November 17, 2013 6:24 pm

    Most coaches would be looking at next year already. Start playing the younger players now that you would consider starters next year. If you are looking to be better prepared next year give them some game experience

  144. Not an Expert November 17, 2013 6:26 pm

    Stphen Tsai is the good reporter. Need guys like him. Who is the bad reporter? Like the good cop bad cop. Not too many journalistic reporters like 20 years ago.

  145. 3-Prong November 17, 2013 7:07 pm

    What’snwith the brawl in the crowd following the Wahine BB game?

  146. HiFlyer November 17, 2013 7:12 pm

    WBB lose by three to W Va. 59 -56.

  147. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 7:20 pm

    Hope Ben Jay is ok. He was injured trying to break up the fracas at the Wahine BB game.


  148. kapakahi November 17, 2013 7:24 pm


    Too bad for UH if JS goes to Boulder…..cuz UH will need replacements for JHT and CC next year……with only MJ, TH, and KB returning.

  149. Warrior Dave November 17, 2013 7:26 pm

    Let’s just be clear that it was between VA fans and one UH fan in the fight. No players from either side was involved. Ben Jay tried to break it up and appears to have gotten hit in the face.

  150. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 17, 2013 8:01 pm

    The frustration of football is spilling into all other sports. People, punching Ben Jay will not make him fire Chow.

  151. Bugaz November 17, 2013 8:12 pm

    #165 maybe we can land more speedy Floridians

  152. jm2375 (iPad) November 17, 2013 8:13 pm

    Just got home from the Wahine bb game. Thanks to Mr and Mrs SailorBlue for the ticket. Didn’t who/what started the fight since I was on the other side of the court. It marred what was a good game. An idiot on my side of the court kept shouting “Round Two”. SailorBlue tried to tell him to keep quiet and stay out of it, but the babooze no listen. My inner tita kicked in and I tried to tell him to shut up, but again, he no listen. Some people have no class.

    Where was UH security during all this? They were nowhere to be seen.

    I hope Ben Jay and one of the WVU asst coaches are ok.

  153. jm2375 (iPad) November 17, 2013 8:13 pm

    *Didn’t see…

  154. Bowwar November 17, 2013 8:24 pm

    Supposed Hawaii fans should be fired…Pure classless at the UH Women’s BB game. I wonder if its one of the knuckle-heads from this list…If so, they should be banned from any UH event. We’re taking steps backward and I hope BJ can turn the ship around. I hope BJ is okay…Sad state of affairs.

  155. NorthShoreFan November 17, 2013 8:24 pm

    Embarrassing incident after the game at the Stanley. Hope BJ is ok. Hope that perp is arrested and put in the calaboose.
    Wahines played a gutsy game, just came up a little short. Some missed lay ins and free throws could have made a huge impact.

  156. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 8:30 pm

    138… You mean like Bob Hauck when he left Montana for UNLV?

    Hauck won the Big Sky every year he was there (7 years) and reached the NCAA championship game on 3 occasions. The tough part about hiring a good lower division coach is that he only has lower division recruiting contacts… Meaning, he’d be starting from scratch from a recruiting grounds standpoint unless he hires very good assistants.

    The one plus side to hiring a lower division coach is you might be able to pay him less than Chow’s meager HC pay of $500k. If I know UH as well as I like to think I do, if they save money by paying the next HC less, they won’t reallocate the savings to increase the total money pool for the assistants. More likely, UH lowers the pool amount, therefore UH can only attract highly unqualified assistants… Then the program deteriorates further and becomes UNLV or SJSU pre-MacIntyre.

    At that point UH would shutdown the program and everybody loses… we would no longer have a blog to make our rants and Mr Tsai has to fight to save his job with SA.

  157. NorthShoreFan November 17, 2013 8:30 pm

    Seems to me the Wahines were a little “slow: in getting their offense into motion. They will get it going after more games. Seem a little tentative, allowed WV to make steals and defend. Wahines looking pretty good at this point. New Wahines are ballers.

  158. Slugger November 17, 2013 8:34 pm

    Paper says Jay was hit in the back with something. Back spasms. Hope he is OK.


  159. NorthShoreFan November 17, 2013 8:37 pm

    HC, Assistants, football, basketball, baseball, athletics etc…..Check out todays headlines and ask….wea da kala?!?@#@??

    UH does well against most programs that have bigger budgets. Our kids compete with the best. Please don’t just look at the Win-loss statement.
    Proud of our kids who compete for the Green and White….Green and Black?….Dark Green and Black….Rainbow Colors and White….anyhoo, it’s some so called fans that disappoint me.
    soapbox pau now…nytal…

  160. Derek November 17, 2013 8:39 pm

    The said truth is that no QB on the UH roster this year will start next year. It’s that bad.
    We can see why Taylor Graham and Sean Schroeder were way down on the depth chart at both Ohio State and Duke respectively and didn’t hardly sniffed a down while they were there. As it have been proven, Chow made some very bad decisions on this most important position. We can’t run a pro set offense in Hawaii. We just don’t have the blue chippers to run it effectively enough. If we had Derek Carr, Chuckie Keeton, or David Fales as our QB, even Joe Southwick we would be competing for the conference championship and going to a bowl game. I’m convinced of that. If we had Marcus Mariota, we would probably be undefeated right now and in the top 25. In today’s college football the QB position is all about play making abilitiy. That’s leadership, decision making, passing and running w/ efficiency, ball handling, and not turning the ball over. Sadly, we lack those in abundance here at UH, but they are all good people. Whoever it is next year, the search continues for the Holy Grail.

  161. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 8:42 pm

    #173: Good points. Bottom line is that like recruits, you never really know how a new coach will pan out. Nobody knows. Bobby Hauk is a good example. How about Dan Hawkins and his failures at CU? Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly is a good example of a guy who literally moved up the coaching division starting at a Division II school, Grand Valley State, then Central Michigan, Cincinnati, and finally Notre Dame.

  162. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2013 8:54 pm

    Howzit, Gang!

    Felt like we gave the game away last night. Had two-and-a-half minutes in regulation to try to move for a FG attempt, at least. Took a minute to gain ten yards, then burned the rest of the time still a mile away for an attempt. Too bad. Had a feeling that SDSU would run in for a score, since we had no answer off the edge, especially whole second half.

    Officiating was horrendous! Wow!

    Voice was rough this morning at church… feels good to complain about that, actually!

    Anywayz, just wanted to say thanks to everyone at both tailgates (Sailor Blue and crew, and Stretch and crew) for the warm welcome towards me and three of my girls. Lots of great conversation with old and new friends. Good to put faces to the names. Should be able to join you all with my sons for the last home game.

  163. Leahi2 November 17, 2013 8:58 pm

    #132. Who said that all the fans would return because BJ allowed the name “RAINBOW” to be reinstituted. You are interjecting some kind of stupid and unfounded assumption there. The thing about “Rainbow” is historical, traditional, and unique to say the least for the UofH. It has nothing to do with our current won-loss record. It has nothing to do with HC Chow or any coach in any sport.

    Lets face it, in any State city, town, county or village across the land, when you have a loser, you have poor attendance. You seem to sound like a person who opposed the term Rainbow Warriors to begin with and so your remark sounds like a cry baby remark!

    I say go Rainbow Warriors!

  164. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 9:12 pm

    Once Chow is gone… UH’s best chance, when you consider the finances involved, is to hire a young OC from a BCS conference or top level non-BCS team (like Boise St) to his 1st HC job and be the stepping stone to a launch his career. The main thing to focus on is if this person had a major role in recruiting at their previous job.

    But that requires UH to be competent in the hiring process… That’s something that nobody has confidence in.

    I suppose the toughest question is… Why would a coach want to coach at UH?

    Expectations are higher than the pay scale would suggest, very difficult school to recruit to, poor facilities, UH doesn’t have money, no big boosters, and UH may very well have the worst fan base in the nation. Lots of empty seats during good times (2005-2007), empty stadium during bad times, saddest student section in college football (other than NMSU and a handful of other schools).

    I would say fair weather fans, but you need to show up when times are good to actually qualify as “fair weather.”

    That’s my take on my which type of coach UH should pursue post-Chow… But I’m not gonna worry about it until it actually happens

    Btw, why on earth would anybody fight at a WBB game?

    Secondly, the comments at end of the SA article are down right embarrassing.

  165. Old School Dave November 17, 2013 9:23 pm

    Second that about the comments at the end of the SA article about the fight at the WBB game. People actually making fun of Ben Jay for getting injured trying to break up the fracas, with some saying that he deserved to get injured for not firing Norm Chow.

    You never know who will be attracted to the UH HC job. For example, John L. Smith is currently coaching and doing the team laundry at Fort Lewis State (CO).

  166. Kevin November 17, 2013 9:25 pm

    “Why on Earth would anyone fight at a wbb game?”

    What does this mean? Is it more “understandable” and “justified” to fight at another sport?

  167. eMpTy November 17, 2013 9:36 pm

    Sometimes I guess its good to be old cause after the game, I start forgetting some of the things that frustrated me during the game. By the next day I’m over the disappointment of the game and actually look forward to the next game. I don’t care for some of the conservative play calling, but I don’t know enough to get too upset cause I don’t know how to fix it. All in all, I just like watching UH sports. Even if I didn’t attend UH Manoa. One year at UH Hilo is all I can claim.
    Go Rainbow Warriors…

  168. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 17, 2013 9:37 pm

    Fights that break out at an MMA fight while not appropriate don’t seem that surprising. Lots of people making big body.

  169. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 9:37 pm

    177. In Graham’s case, he redshirted in 2010. In 2011 he was behind T. Pryor and no chance he was going to pass him on depth chart. Plus he wasn’t going to start as a RS Freshman when Pryor was suspended in 2011. Once Meyer was hired, there was zero chance he could fit into Meyers offense, that’s when he transferred.

    SS was buried on depth chart at Duke. He’d still be buried on depth chart if he stayed at Duke.


    Hawkins is a strange dude. He started the foundation of Boise’s run to power. Personality wise, not sure if he’s compatible at a big school. He’s not coaching now. He’s a tv color commentator on game broadcasts now. CU, like UH is a tough place to coach. Not overly attractive for recruits, bad facilities, lack luster student support, no big boosters, and CU flatly doesn’t care about the football team as proven with how little they have invested their fat Pac12 tv money into improving facilities.

    It is true that you never know how a coach will turn out, but with UH in the MWC, a coach should have a decent resume as an OC or HC. It’s not like we’re a lower division team and everybody you hire has little experience. Don’t forget Brian Kelly was an assistant at GVSU for a few years before getting the HC job, so GVSU knew what they were getting. Amazingly, they managed to hang on to Kelly for 12 years before he moved on to CMU.

  170. Former UH Athlete November 17, 2013 9:41 pm

    182.. Team laundry? Well, As long as they have soap in the dispensers, the world will be ok.

  171. D Brown November 17, 2013 10:20 pm

    180 – many of us weren’t around during the football “Bows” heyday. The “Warriors” are who we grew up on. It seems with the name change, we are regressing to the way things were pre-JJ. 99-07 are the most successful days UH football has ever experienced, but it seems like a certain demographic of fans resent the changes that were made and ignore the success the program had during that period. Just as the Oregon Ducks are now known for their uniforms, offense, etc., UH used to be viewed in that same context. These are the things that attract fans and recruits. Now we’re back to the Bows, with a conservative, uninspiring offense.

  172. D Brown November 17, 2013 10:27 pm

    But at least the players cut their hair now right? I’m sure thats great for recruiting too, just like the name change.

  173. SteveM November 17, 2013 10:35 pm

    November 17th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    FUHA as a point of clarification, that last poll taken in regard to public support of both casino gaming and a state lottery, had a majority of the respondents, albeit if I recall at 52%, not supporting a state lottery. This was a poll conducted by the Star-Advertiser. Thus, it is not merely at the discretion of elected officials, but also reflects the sentiments of the general population, if just barely by a majority.

    No matter what this issue/question, I point out there is a serious sample “bias” in the Star-Advertiser polls, and I view it “For amusement only”.

    The sample bias exists because the ONLY people who can VOTE:

    1) must have a computer or smartphone
    2) have internet access with their devise
    3) must have the time to vote during the limited hours the poll is open (10 hours?)
    4) must go the Star-Advertiser web page (not everyone does–shhhh)
    5) must see/search the page and bother to vote in a polls in general
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    …just sayin’ 😐

  174. oldtimer808 November 17, 2013 10:39 pm

    Yes a lot of idiots were make unnecessary comments about Ben Jay trying to break up the fight at the WBB game. Very sad for people to joke about an injury to someone who tried his best before getting hit with an object from behind from a coward. It is also sad that a fan from UH embarrassed the team by starting this incident.

  175. SteveM November 17, 2013 10:42 pm

    RE: #190
    Also, you do not even have to be a resident of Hawaii to vote…. hmmm, I wonder how many “no” votes came from Nevada. 👿

    Does the poll filter out all IP addresses except for Hawaii ones?

    Anyway, the sample demographic is very limited.

  176. oldtimer808 November 17, 2013 10:49 pm

    #165 who da heck you talking about with all the abbreviations.

  177. Graham November 17, 2013 10:52 pm

    Would Adrian Klemm be a candidate?

  178. Leahi2 November 17, 2013 11:37 pm

    #188. I am an old man now and I can remember some things about the UofH and the moniker “Bows” from quite a ways back!. I remember back in the days when the ‘Bows” played mostly against teams in the local armed forces league. Today the “Bows” play in a much more sophisticated league, that is true. But to say that our football success in the relatively recent past under JJ has to do with the “Warrior” moniker is ludicrous and just plain superstitious. On this subject you might also consider the success of the “Rainbow Wahines”. Now then why do you seem to reference only the football program. Well in that case what about the “let down” under coach Mac? Weren’t we also known as the WARRIORS? Don’t you think that he had much to do with our dismal state of affairs? As a WARRIOR ‘ coach TO BOOT? Its not the clothes that makes the man. Its what he stands for! As for me I stand for the Rainbow Warriors, our origin, and through times of thick and thin. Students. athletes, faculty, and staff many of us have lived and died as Rainbows. We don’t need you and your bright ideas.

  179. Boolakanaka November 18, 2013 3:34 am

    190…as with many polls and even entities that exclusively do polling, there are a variety of biases. For instance, Gallup one of the countries largest polling entities, who predicted Romney would win the presidential election, used polling to land lines. You know who uses land lines, and moreover will stay on the line for a recorded message?? People over 60, and usually those living in rural areas…the exact demographic that would not vote for Obama-so, yes they can be self-serving.

  180. Maddog50 November 18, 2013 3:51 am

    will be in Laramie to see the resillient Warriors scratch out a win…..thought on the past game….some penalties are just unavoidable….the officials are terrible and continue to ignore blatant pass interference and holding….week in and week out….and I swear I heard a whistle on that trick play…..replayed several times…..it should have been a no play. Still not good enough to win….opposition overall is better and deeper. Not a criticism of theses kids or coaches just my opinion….Go Warriors—

  181. wasabi November 18, 2013 5:28 am

    Leahi2- come on man! Macks 2010 team were WAC champions…2011 missed a bowl game by 2 points.Some people on this board are really grasping for straws here in order to rationalize an unfathomsble mistake…Mack never went 0-fer …

  182. wasabi November 18, 2013 5:32 am

    Even these guys….


  183. papajoe2 November 18, 2013 5:33 am

    Good morning everybody!

  184. papajoe2 November 18, 2013 5:40 am

    #197 Maddog50~ I thought I heard a whistle on the “offsides” touchdown too, but I was by myself so couldn’t ask anybody if they heard it.

  185. pu'uwai November 18, 2013 6:09 am

    #’s 197 & 201…Aloha kakahiaka. I heard the whistle blow on that play also during the CBS telecast.

    Imua Rainbow Warriors!!!

  186. Papololoco November 18, 2013 6:27 am

    There is no rationalization for what’s going on right now, we’re 0-10 and no matter how much you try, you just can’t spin that.

  187. oneseason November 18, 2013 6:33 am

    Officiating seems to be changing. I don’t think it is just going “o-fer” that is making me sensitized to it. Clocks run when they should be stopped. Blatant interference is not called. In the Stanford – USC game, the announcers called into question a measurement that gave Stanford a first down. While there was no official review, the measurement was replayed on TV and it seemed to clearly show that Stanford was short by a few inches. I can’t see how that was an optical illusion.

  188. Hon2255 November 18, 2013 7:45 am

    It all comes down to coaching. Case in point USC. Lane Kiffen replaced. Complete turnaround in the mantra if the team. Similar circumstances here. Chow and staff are not the right choice to continue. They find a way to LOSE !

  189. Hilo Moon November 18, 2013 8:06 am

    The Oregon Ducks pack Autzen Stadium, win or lose and so do many other schools. It’s because of tradition. The nicknames of the teams are part of that traditon. Also, can you imagine a coach coming in and saying,”I don’t like the name Ducks, let’s change it.”? Has this happened at other universities? Stanford did sort of a change many years ago – they “removed” the bird cardinal and said the color cardinal represents Stanford. Heck, even Oregon started as “Webfoots” and, many years ago, changed to Ducks. I’m sure there were protestors then and they don’t attend events because there in a far better place than Autzen Stadium.

  190. lowtone123 November 18, 2013 8:29 am

    First down…Iosefa. Second down…Iosefa. Third and long…pass. Iosefa is a best, no doubt about that but to be so predictable had SDSU stacking the box. I thought play action might (sigh?) work about now. First play action pass Moleni is about as wide open as someone could be due to the SDSU safety bit hard on the fake run. Then I wondered why doesn’t UH try to use Iosefa as a receiver on a screen or shovel pass and he takes a middle screen for a touch. Gee, if a regular joe who loves football like me ( and many like you guys) could wonder how come Coach Chow with hundreds of years of experience in this game too so long to come around?

  191. lowtone123 November 18, 2013 8:54 am

    Silly penalties and costly turnovers have hurt this team all season. Late hit out of bounds…roughing the punter…personal fouls. These are self-descipline issues i.e. coaching issues.

  192. Leahi2 November 18, 2013 9:47 am

    Wasabi: You think that Mac was a good coach? Maybe as a defensive coorodinator under JJ. He later inherited the June Jones offense and some of JJ’s coaching staff. Yes, there was some winning spill over in the short term. You didn’t notice how things started to go downhill. That last season was tremendously embarrassing. NOW WHY DO YOU THINK HE GOT FIRED?. Most UH fans in the community wanted to get rid of him. The Athletic department wanted him out. The powers that be behind the scenes had to make him an offer to take half a years salary as a buy out. In the aftermath their former QB (I think his name was Gray) said that “I knew it was coming” ,because Mac was not showing up on the practice field.

    Sometime before the beginning of his last season, he said that he was doing something different. He was going to coach from his office. He let the on-field coaching mostly to his assistants. I guess they in turn reported back to him and he’d watch films.. I suppose this is what they do at some big time schools but we were not there.

    You seemed to be mesmerized by the fact that Mac had a down to earth personality. Some characterized him as a player’s coach; a real father like personality. If you think he was so damn good why hasn’t some other school picked him up? LOL! This was his first job as a head coach and it bared his abilities to coach. When he left he sobbed to say I’m sorry. I hope some other school in the Mountain West would pick him up as a Head Coach. Maybe then we could get a Win here in Hawaii!

    There seems to be some people like you who live him for who he is as a person but not for what he is as a coach.

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