Relax, football is staying
Even meteorologists would agree on this forecast: The sky is not falling. Not today. Not in five years.
Every reasonably minded person — except for a gloom-and-doom official who seriously needs to be doused back to serenity with a bucket of iced water — knows that University of Hawaii football is not going to be cut. Not now. Not in five years.
Of course, the athletic department needs more money. Of course, it needs help from the Legislature, tourism authority, stadium authority, school officials, and tour-bus drivers who can make, ahem, unscheduled stops at the Ward Centers. And so forth.
If Title IX is a federal law, and non-compliance jeopardizes the entire school’s eligibility to receive federal funding, then the school should find a way to provide more subsidies. Consider it an insurance premium against a potential disaster. Pay a little now, save a lot later.
But these are things we all know. We also know that football is not going to be cut. Here are reminders why:
> UH football makes money. It doesn’t make enough to cover the budgets of every UH sports program, but neither does women’s volleyball. And nobody is suggesting that women’s volleyball is going away. But, yes, football makes money from ticket sales, premium fees, sponsorships. television and radio contracts, and that $50 fee charged to every UH-Manoa student each semester.
> UH football has the potential to make more money. At some point, it will work out better arrangements with Aloha Stadium. It also has earning potential as a money opponent. For all the Big Five’s talk about not wanting to play outside the 65 schools, the math says otherwise. Maybe a little more than half the Big Five teams will have winning records. That means the rest will need non-Big Five opponents to boost records.
> Sure, football has to pay travel subsidies, as much as a combined $700,000 a year for four MWC opponents. Consider it as appearance fees, and it’s not that bad. Besides, one game against a Big Ten opponent covers that bill. UH plays two Big Ten opponents next year.
> Football generates more money on its own than what it receives from the school. Besides, at UH, surpluses are not rolled over into other programs. When UH reduced salaries for the head football coach’s position — from Greg McMackin’s $1.1 annually to Norm Chow’s $550,000 — the psychology department did not get any more ink blots. It is not an either/or situation between athletics and academic programs.
> There’s no outcry for the elimination of football. There’s an outcry for the program to win more games, but not for the sport to be eliminated. Besides, it’s not the athletic department’s call to eliminate a sport. It can make recommendations, like it can recommend contract extensions, but it’s not empowered to wield the ax. It take a little more authority than getting lightbulbs changed.
So, relax. Football is open for business — now and in five years.
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The Warriors picked their captains:
Offense: Left tackle Ben Clarke, center Kody Afusia, running back Joey Iosefa, slotback Scott Harding.
Defense: Nose tackle Moses Samia, defensive end Beau Yap, linebacker Lance Williams, cornerback Ne’Quan Phillips. In addition to those eight captains, defensive end Luke Shawley, quarterback Ikaika Woolsey and kicker Tyler Hadden are on the leadership council.
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It’s moving day at UH.
I have a different take on BJ’s comments. It’s good that it made national news. It puts upper campus and our legislators on notice and forces them to really do some self analysis. Sense of urgency is here right now! We’ll get the money now. Just watch.
LET’S GO BOWS!!!
Good morning!
With all the good AD’s out there we got the village idiot who doesn’t know how to keep his mouth shut. He is attempting to blame his failures as AD on the State.
Today he is back peddling and looking like the fool that he is. The time has come to kick him off of the island so he can return to his beloved Ohio.
I think UH will get the money, but somebody has to stop dangling the we’ll-cut-football threat.
It’s like the guy who threatens to break up with his girlfriend, then makes the slow walk toward the door. The first couple of times, she’ll say: “Wait. Don’t go.” The third time, she calls his bluff and lets him walk. Then comes that awkward moment of the guy having to beg his way back.
I think it was a good strategy to say in public but not when it will be picked up by national headlines and kill recruiting efforts. BJ may be good at counting the beans but his political skills suck.
Good morning, Tsai-kos! 🙂
Time for us Warrior fans need to help out with this deficit problem.
How?
Just buy your season ticket.
…And convince your friends and family who were once ticket holder to buy again.
I bought my season tickets. Where are they?
You tell ’em UHFan808!
Real fans buy season tickets, and pay for pay per view. Ask not what football can do for you, ask what you can do for football.
Feeling Fired Up Now! Where’s my old helmet? hehe
9 3-Prong:
Okay, I will 😉
This guy isn’t smart enough to formulate a strategy. He’s a buffoon who is in way over his head. Yesterday he threw coaches ,especially in football, under the bus. There is no telling how much damage he did in the area of recruiting for UH.
HOW TO FIX DEFICIT PROBLEM
Okay, I have a short answer and I have a long one how to resolve this deficit problem AND stop the AD from ever threatening or mentioning the thought of canceling of our beloved UH Warrior Football Program.
The short one:
If you were a season ticket holder and have not yet purchased season tickets, you just need to buy your season tickets. That’s all it takes. Just buy your season tickets.
If you were not a season ticket holder, you just have to buy season tickets.
Sure – If you want to stay at home to watch the game, buy your season tickets then watch the games at home.
Buying yourself a set of season tickets will help provide the love and support that our beloved Warrior teams require (all UH sports are affected by UH football).
UH AD’s financial problems over the year is a direct result of bad decision making and poor management.
The long one:
*How do we overcome this deficit problem?*
–> Realize this “problem” is not just Ben Jay’s but that we fans are part of it too <–
Yes, each and every one of us can kick, scream, and yell over how well or not the team is doing but the surefire way to get rid of the team: Just don't buy your season tickets!
You don't want to (buy a season ticket) because you're too pissed off?
Whether we are pissed off or not is not going to bring in funds for the team…for better facilities…for better coaches…for "better and better talent…if we don't have funds.
Bottom line: no funds; no team; no UH sports anything! 🙁
Yes, Ben Jay can try to convince us which he has (yes, he has tried! He asked the entire community to buy tickets!) – this is his job – AND we fans MUST comply!
So what do we fans just need to do? Kick, scream, and yell BUT *WE* still need to faithfully buy our season tickets.
If you're not convinced:
1) It's not like we have an academic program that can support football/sports yet (usually football supports other sports plus the academic side, too); 2) obviously no one "rich" is going to step up for us.
Well then who is going to step up for us, to provide funding to the team?
Well, isn't it the fans who need to step up? Why shouldn't we step up? If no one is helping us fans keep our team here in Hawaii, then we can't just sit quietly by expecting someone else to fix our problems for us. This is our team. It's true: No matter who our coach is…or our AD is…or our UH President is, for that matter? WE FANS – if we actually LOVE our UH Warriors – MUST step up to support our program with our love, paitence, sincerity, and kokua. (The first sentence of 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 is: Love is patient, love is kind…)
So what do we adoring and loving fans need to do?
Simple:
It starts with us.
Everyone of us here on this post, or who reads this post, must VOW to become a season ticket holder and actually purchase their season tickets…every year…
..AND also convince everyone of their friends who are previous season ticket holders of how imperative it is for them to renew or become season ticket holders, even if we don't want to be at the actual games.
The fact that Ben Jay is telling us publicly (guess the news did that for us) exactly what our obstacle is – that fb could be canceled – for the coming years, is a communication "gift" that we fans can take responsibility for and do something about (fix) for the sake of our UH Football-loving Fan-selves, to save our sanity and prevent UH from ever thinking the slightest bit about ever mentioning the thought of canceling our beloved Warrior Football ever again.
Peace, Warrior fans. I love you all for caring about our team. Go Warriors!!!
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I think ww mmmRemember that the issue is two-fold: 1) we want to keep our UH fb team, but 2) the UH fb team need to show improvement in all areas.
Without funding, and without our support and kokua, it will *no longer matter* how much the team/coaches need to improve. Why? Because:
My previous post was sarcastic, but I wonder how long until the bigwigs trot out this reasoning. LOL at the idea that tourist buses should take people to the Rainbowtique. Yep that’s really going to make fans, who will go to the games.
Lol omit the last part under –not posted
Sorry
Almost game time. Chee!
Mr. Tsai,
Are you concerned about the lack of season ticket sales?
The article announcing to the world that UH might cut football was written by a journalist who wants to be read.
It is true that Ben Jay needs to learn to be more cautious about the implications of what he says. But the headline didn’t read “UH AD is Determined to Find Ways to Support Football” but rather underscored and emphasized the possibility of UH losing football. In so doing the journalist made something that is possible (and it is) seem probable (something that the blog host today clarifies…..it is not probable). So yes we can jump down BJ’s throat but journalists are not just objective observers and reporters. They want to be read and sell papers. If Ferd was committed to the “truth” in this he would have included, in his first report, an interview with BJ to clarify exactly what he meant. This occurred in a second article but the damage was done to UH. The news flew and Ferd benefitted by being widely read. I personally don’t think it was cool.
I agree with ST that our beloved sport is not going anywhere….and really, DII, is not such a viable option. That said, I think a bit more overview of Title IX is necessary so that we have a firmer grasp on how it has implications for football.
So, while Title IX has essentially been fairly successful, there has been no doubt so collateral damage. A recent national commission studying Title IX with reform in view, and the Washington Post has reported on this very topic–states that a college would no longer be bound to award athletic scholarships to women in a proportion that conforms to the makeup of the student body.
This does not mean the death kneel for women’s athletics, as current law states that any institution that receives federal money would still be required to provide women with at least 43 percent of its scholarships. Of course, those advocates of Title IX would be correct to point out that women currently constitute 55+ percent of the students enrolled in four-year colleges.
Fairness, however, is rarely straightforward. The fact is that, because of the budget cuts necessitated to adhere to the directives of Title IX, female athletes are now accommodated more completely than their male counterparts–by a large margin, some would say.
GAO (General Accounting Office), which gathers data for Congress, has determined that, since 1999, women’s teams outnumbered men’s across the country by 330. In terms of players, however, men, despite casualties that included 2,648 wrestlers, still held an advantage of 70,000 players.
The discrepancy — in fact, the discrepancy and then some — is attributable to football, which is the big gorilla the muddles all of the waters. Here are the major distinctions and features that separate football from everything all other sports 1) it requires a lot of athletes, 2) it makes a lot of money, and 3) women don’t play it much.
One solution to this dilemma would be to field female football teams, but that is obviously a non-starter.Or perhaps they could arrive at a reasonable solution, something on the order of what the current national commission is proposing.
In short, since football is such an anomaly, and since it supports the other sports at many schools, why not eliminate it from the formula and then match the numbers between men and women? The intent of Title IX was to ensure that public funding is committed on an equal-opportunity basis, but in many instances football doesn’t require funding; it provides it.
No easy solutions…I guess that’s why they have happy hours…..okole maluna!!
The UH athletic department really needs a good publicity director to help Ben Jay. I nominate ST to fill that position.
#10
You have to give the people a reason to come to the games. Being a diehard fan doesn’t mean you should bury your head in the sand and blindly follow the team no matter what. You should care more about the team and want the team to be successful. Any so-called diehard cannot be ok with what’s going on right now. When JJ and even Mack was here I always felt like we had a chance to win football games, be honest with yourself, do anybody really feel that way right now?
23:
Your blog name is very disrespectful to readers here.
This is a family blog – Kids of all ages read it.
Would you be so kind as to change your blog name, pretty please?
Thank you in advance.
Congrats to the team Captains!
23:
There are two issues:
1) team performance
2) funds
You can complain about team performance; however, don’t confuse it by withholding funds.
When we fans withhold funds (via withholding by not buying tickets/season tickets), we fans make arguing about #1 and therefore #2 a moot point.
Question is: Do you want a UH football team or not?
Please post your answer below:
I don’t think we will drop football either. But I am not sure we are going to be supporting it with $$$ the way it needs to be. The only place we can get the money is from the State government. The legislature is not able to appropriate state money to line items at UH, like “football operations” or even for the “athletic department”–it is a lump sum budget that UH administrators and the Board of Regents decide how to divide up around the UH. The Legislature does not want to write blank checks to the UH anymore, they cannot control steering, but they can put on the brakes which is what they did with $25-30 Million in cuts. The UH needs to justify its spending and its budgetary and financial controls to the legislature to get more money. Something just happened to make this worse. The UH allocated a huge chunk of money– $65 Million, I believe– to the Cancer Center to hire professors needed to maintain their federal grant. Doing this put the entire university on a hiring freeze and austerity spending program– including the athletic department. So we need to add more money to the academic budget, raise taxes to increase the UH budget, and put enough extra in there to enable some $$ to go to the football program while still keeping the faculty and administration happy (by getting the money they want). This will be very expensive and not easy to do.
23: Activate sensors, or read #17.
Hey here’s another fun idea. Real UH fans should buy season tickets, then they got to take the Ice Soda Challenge. The Challenge is this: you go to the football game at Aloha Stadium (good luck with traffic/parking), then buy one $7 ice soda. Then you either dump the soda on your head, or you have to buy the pay per view too. This way, the Real UH fans are fully supporting football; either they’re buying all the accessories stuff at the Stadium, or if they only bought the ticket but didn’t come to the game then they also have to buy the PPV. So attendance numbers get cooked, and everything LOOKS great!
Backpedal BJ, backpedal.
Some AD’s have the foot in mouth disease.
If you going say something, you better stick to your guns. No go looking for damage control after the fact. Sheesh, another spin doctor like Herman F.
Good thing I wen tink first before I scolded the kids…may have said something I would regret. Breathe, tink, breathe, tink.
“Lift a stone only to drop on own feet.”
23:
And to answer your question?
Yes, me.
I am confident that our team can win games.
I believe in them, our team. Our Warriors 😀
And it makes me proud to read and see that they’ve been working their butts off.
50,000 seats to fill at Aloha Stadium. About 1,000,000 residents on island. 5% is this. There R other areas. Who is supporting the 5% area? Ben Jay
Guud Morning Tsaikos…bootiful day.
love the passion on the blog…hopefully posters will offer solutions and not frustrations and name calling…some of us need to grow up…imho
growing old is not an option…growing up sometimes seem to be… to some.
IMUA WARRIORS!
5%. Let’s start filling up the student section first. At least the band rocks!
29 Jimmy the Lock:
Nevermind already. Haven’t you ever made mistakes or errors in judgement?
Ben Jay is on our side. We need to keep him on our side. Continuing to only give negative comments would make him feel like second guessing his commitment. Wouldn’t it make you feel this way, too?
Anway, right now we don’t need that (him to feel that way). We need to make him feel that we need him to continue to do what we desperately need him to do.
Have you ever read Dale Carnegie’s book, How to Win Friends and Influence People? If we want results, we fans must remember to practice this, too:
From Page 268
14:
While I do agree that buying season tickets is great, attending the games is equally important.
I think if someone did a study, they would find that there are about 40K people who regularly watch UH Football.
Back in the day before PPV and when the stadium was really user friendly, all of these folks bought tickets and filed into the stadium. As we got older and the live experience got way more unfriendly, and the offer of PPV came about, some of us (me and my family who used to buy tickets and be those “buns in seats”) decided to watch the games from home.
The problem is, there was really not a large and anxiously awaiting pool of the next generation of younger LOYAL UH fans filling those now empty seats.
The number of fans is about the same, there has not been any new ones. And if you look at Pop Warner and High School football, those folks are also seeing dwindling numbers both as participants and viewers. Not like “back in the day” when we had huge HS football rallies prior to games and large HS student bodies went to games. You don’t see that any more and that is having an effect “up the food chain” where there is less interest.
There has to be more to build a new fan base. Winning helps (a lot) but it is not the end all to the matter.
NorthShoreFan, for several years many options and solutions were posted for those who claimed to not read the blog. Some posters directly emailed UH staff and Legislative and Executive branch members. And what do we have today? Same old story.
There’s finger pointing, blame game, and not my kuleana attitude.
There needs to be a leader…somewhere.
28 Tempmanoa:
No, the easiest, most feasible way is for everyone to purchase their season tickets.
Super simple. Just purchase your season ticket. Each and every year.
Then we will avoid adding to the deficit.
36 Giversgain:
No doubt!
Imagine 50,000 screaming fans stomping out the Aloha Stadium stands!!
What a riot that will be!
UHfan808, send that book to BJ.
BJ is the AD. His position does not give him the latitude to misspeak and make errors in judgement. Would you like it if your parents, boss, or someone in a respectable position says one thing and not really mean it?
You can’t just paint over your mistakes, eventually they’ll show through again.
If BJ is going to commit to something then dammit commit to it. If he is going to continually second guess his commitments then he shouldn’t be sitting where he is now.
And of course everyone makes mistakes. That’s a given.
37 Buffoman:
Ok, understood.
If ppl stopped going to the games (and complained incessantly about the team/coaches/etc.), what would make you (anyone) expect that their kids (who have been hearing their parents complain all while they were growing up in the household) would want to go anywhere near the stadium?
Do you really think our kids would suddenly want to attend games?
We have to be the example. Take the kids with us to the games.
(Oh, and don’t forget to pass along your knowledge of stadium etiquette.)
41 JTL:
Sure thing but We have to be leaders, too
Jimmy, totally agree. It’s been my observation that in organizations, as uncomfortable as it can be, you need one “obake” to make things go. Someone whose not afraid to just “keep” the job but one who has vision of how things will be and implement. In a political organization, there’s too many “fence” sitters who are just waiting to get some air time and point a finger any time something goes awry. You’ll notice none of them will ever take responsibility for small failures but will be there in front of the camera when there is success. The thing with failure is, one learns from it and should get better results next time. These are the risk takers who actually make things better in time.
Anyhoo, pau rant…need another cup of joe.
Today’s postings are the reason why I cannot stop reading this blog: incisive, informative, inspirational–and often funny. Thanks (in most cases) for all the positive vibes. Let’s show up in eleven days, season ticket in hand, and cheer our team on! It’s going to be a great season! Go ‘Bows!
UHfan808, feasible?
Not everyone can afford buying season tickets. It’s not that easy or practical for some. I bet not all Tsaikos and posters on this blog have season tickets or attend the football games.
If you do the math, if 6000 more season tickets were sold at an average price of $500 per, that will give UH $3 mil in revenue. Problem solved, correct?
I doubt it. It all comes down to how well UH manages the funds which is not clear
OK. I’m back. I was locked out of my blog for a bit.
Many thank yous to those able to stay positive thru this situation.
We’ll live.
Football isn’t leaving… But Ben Jay’s comments probably didn’t help the football program with future recruits. Hawaii fans may realize football isn’t going anywhere. But a recruit from California or Florida will only read what is in the national news and you can bet coaches will use that against Hawaii. Just irresponsible by our AD who complains about recruiting obstacles in Hawaii and only contributes to it with all this negative media lately with Fib Arnold and now sending this ignorant message like football might be leaving.
btw…SteveM….MAHALOS!
I know of an organization that is sponsoring it’s members to the Washington game. They are subsidizing the ticket and members pay only $10 per ticket. Now if other organizations get on board, maybe the number in the stands will increase. I know Tsaikos have been suggesting this for a long time but the prices for snacks could be adjusted too. Highway robbery over there. When I do attend a game, I fill up before I go in. I try not to buy anything over there because of the “legal” price gouging that goes on.
47 FCWarrior:
No, of course not.
But like the pennies, dimes, and nickels, and dollars you would throw into the piggy bank? A little at a time each year will go a long way to helping our beloved program stay afloat.
Right?
Same thing for building retirement funds. You build it over time. Same thing except we’re talking deficit at the moment.
Hi Tsai-meister
The concern, as Robert Kekaula pointed out, is UH’s fundraising is hurt because of a thoughtless statement. The school wipes out a $13 million IOU, and 11 months later it’s $2 million in the hole again? People want to donate to programs, not pay off debts. And is there really a debt? Electricity still works. Nobody’s paycheck bounced. Sure seems like the school already covers AD’s losses.
50.
Yup I agree, we all know his attention was to light a fire under everyone to gain support for athletics but he has to realize that social media, 24-hour news networks eat that stuff up and it will go viral instantly. All the people on the mainland will see is that Hawaii is possibly considering dropping football and a 1-11 season last year and other school’s coaches will use that against us in recruiting.
54. Definitely. I do not plan to donate a dime to someone I don’t trust/ have faith in. That being Ben Jay. He is creating this bad image to people who aren’t aware of everything. Football doesn’t lose money, yet that is the image the state perceives because of the things he chooses to say. I wouldn’t mind donating to the right cause and know it is benefiting the program. We need some seriously leadership at the top running this program who isn’t going to say damaging things or hand out raises with extensions to coaches under NCAA investigation. Until then, I think most people feel they are just throwing money away and will choose not to donate. And every little does add up.
Buying tickets is good – but don’t stop there. Contribute to Na Koa or the UHAD.
Changing topics ever so slightly, since there’ll be a new Governor come December, may as well get a new Chief Elections Officer too. Just to start fresh for the next elections in a couple of years. Also, would be good to vote from home on your own smart phone/tablet/laptop/PC. This may be a way to increase voter turnout.
Back to the topic on hand, happy moving day.
Why does it take so long to count ballots?
57. That’s where it stops for me…. Until we find better leadership.
Season tickets can be had for as little as $75 so claiming you can’t afford it is not really valid. So, for less than a tank of gas, I can purchase season tickets…….so can you.
Chief elections officer earns $80,000 annually.
By the way, very cool that somebody donated a new megaphone to Demo
GOOD MORNING, HAWAII!
The thought occurred to me that subscribing to PPV does NOT benefit UH in a direct way.
Oceanic has paid UH for the rights to televise the various games – a flat fee.
When you subscribe to PPV, your money goes only to Oceanic. So whether only one person subscribes or one million people subscribe doesn’t make a difference.
Of course if no one subscribes, Oceanic will probably not renew the contract in the following year but it does not get back the 2Mil it paid for this year!
But don’t make the mistake that because you are paying for PPV, you are supporting with $$ to the UH. You are not.
Hmmm…seems like Jay had been saying this since he got here. I guess no one was listening. Nothing new.
Coach Chow said on BC show this a.m. that he has already been contacted by other college coaches to see if they can have his players after we drop football. lol.
ST: Coach Demo needs a megaphone?
That’s all the CEO makes? Well he does have over a year to plan for the next election.
Marleysdad, you have to consider costs for an entire family. Eating at the stadium or afterwards. Then you have those that are physically unable to attend the games therefore it’s not practical to buy season tickets if you can’t even attend.
For some, attending UH football games is a luxury expense one cannot afford.
Don’t think everyone is as fortunate as you are. just sayin.
61. I agree.. people who enjoy UH football should purchase season tickets. It’s not that expensive. Donating to something you don’t know how your money is being spent is a different story though.
13…
Thats an insult to buffoons everywhere
Good Morning Gangeez! 😉
While the AD’s remarks might have been very ill advised, what made matters worse is that they were made in public.
But as Tsai posts, and I knew even as I read about the AD’s remarks, UH Football is not going anywhere. The only question is where it will end up as a program, now that the NCAA is kow-towing to the College Football Big Boys.
Speaking of the NCAA, if the big boys want to make playing field even more uneven, fine. No problem. But the NCAA sure does make a show of coming after the little guys like UH Basketball.
Anyway, whatever…
GO WARRIORS!!!
How much does it take your staff to setup shop at Aloha Stadium at Washington game August 30, 2014? What if FCC did allow one of “you” to acquire one of the channels? 54-88 MHz, would you do it? TV or Streamline video, no pay$, but that. Think about that thought!
I saw on Olelo yesterday a talk by the editor of MidWeek at the QB Club. He made a compelling case for a 35,000 seat stadium that was designed to be expanded in the future, but also warned that the future will be even tougher on the AD than it is now. His thesis was that the cost of living in Hawaii is the biggest factor in game attendance and thus revenue. The trend is that the cost of living in Hawaii will get higher resulting in further reduction in revenue.
Boolakanaka’s observation relating to the Title IX disparity resulting from the inclusion of football in the calculation further exacerbates the problem.
As entertainment value, revenue solely from ticket sales will never cover the cost of the entire department as long as the competition if from the top tier teams. Maybe JJ is right, move the season to the spring and reap the TV benefits.
ST at #54, makes a very lucid point, who wants to contribute to something this chronically in debt?? The benefactor is not afforded the feeling that he/she is contributing to building something, but rather the sentiment that is being conveyed is that you taking care of our over-due bills, on annual basis.
By, raising students fees, and obtaining support directly and explicitly from our BOR to use legislative funds to stabilize the AD budget, it would go a long way to getting more people from the development side interested in the UHAD product. Again, and I know this is repetitive, but our annual budgetary problems are the norm in college athletics, and in fact almost 75% programs face the exact same dilemma–some like the U of Minnesota, for an amount 3-4 times that we are facing.
Lot of good comments by fans like Uhfan808. I like the positive message and even those that may not agree have some valid points. What I hate is the irresponsible reporting. Now, I hear Colin Cowherd saying author is dropping football! What a bunch of irresponsible media people. It sure hurts the recruiting.
Sorry, author=UH.
Glad to read that football will still be playing BIG in Hawaii and that Ben Jay comments I do believe was taken out of context as that what I read on Hawaii athletics on line. Mr. Jay, really needs to watch what he says as Hawaii is passionate about their athletic teams especially it’s Rainbow Warriors !
Now I can really keep recruiting for upper campus as my 102 incoming freshmen coming from Southern California will be buying their football tickets and paying their activity fees as new minds are coming in willing and ready to experience the haka and loud cheers through out aloha stadium. Off to Trump Golf Course in Palos Verdes, have some clubs coming from their foundation supporting LWC for future raffle and silent auction fund raising events.
Never a dull moment for me as I continue finding ways supporting UH upper and lower campus. Got the wahine soccer team schedule in November and getting all my supporters along the way to fill those players hearts with LA Love !
Will find out tonight if my home can be use as a meal table for visiting players. If so it is on as my better half can cook a nutritious spread as my swim pool will be fill to the max of Hawaii athletes enjoying Los Angeles to the max !
despite reassurances from Jay or Pres Lassner or the world, if a current athlete decides to transfer, all sports, and current commits decommit, all sports, and it can be shown to be directly related to Jay’s statement 8/18/14
does this constitute irreparable damage to UH and cause to terminate his contract for cause?
what say you, legal buffs?
60 jeezy33:
Do you really have to be so hard-head?
Sigh.
Seriously, separate the two issues, please. See the light.
Buy yourself a set of season tickets (and donate to NaKoa, etc. as tommui reminded). Then continue to complain. But be productive in your complaints, for the progress and growth of our programs.
Seriously.
Funding has always been an issue. We fans need to help ourselves if we want a team too root for.
78 A-House:
I think we fans need to focus on the season ahead, make it a extremely positive season for our players, and stop bickering about who said what already.
It’s done. Pau.
Or is the purpose of all of this ranting to cancel the season just so we can fire everyone in charge and start all over again?
No ways! Crazy!
I surely don’t want any of our seasons to be canceled.
Would you?
uhfan808…i know jeezy, he’s been a season ticket holder much longer than many of us here.
ahouse…so what about this black cod liver?
There are two options and one is to initiate a buy out or reassign BJ if the university wants to head in a different direction. That’s what Colorado State and Fresno State did with their athletic directors. Both Jack Graham and Thomas Boeh didn’t do anything wrong. The university thought the athletic department needed a fresh face with different ideas.
Hmm, and all this time I thought Jeezy was one of the young pups on this blog.
74 boolakanaka:
Yes, all negative points can be extremely valid
but where will these negative points get us?
No team? No football program?
Better managed program?
When?
How about after funds run dry
Because we fans decided all on our own to boycott our own program.
If we want the show to go on, we need to help ourselves (to keep the program going) by simply doing our part in… buying tickets (and donating funds to NaKoa). Ta-daaa!!!
Yes 🙂
75 BigFan:
Thank you 🙂 I love Warrior fb as much as anyone here.
I hate irresponsible reporting, too. Sucks big time.
84 Shoko:
Jeezy33 is a young pup?
Tsaimeister:
Do you know the breakdown by year since 1975 of loss of revenues because fans did not buy tickets/season tickets?
Loss of revenues caused by fans not wanting to buy tickets can definitely hurt and cripple any program.
We fan need to understand this dynamic.
And weigh whether or not we want a UH football team.
I vote yes – I want to keep the team around. I’ve already purchased my season tickets and donated funds to NaKoa.
BJ, WEA my TICKET!!
See u next week!!
Aloha from LA!!
MANEO !!!
85–My comments were not submitted to highlight negative points, but rather the difficulty they place people that work in development as they look for donors.
Further, if they (people who work with donors and boosters) were allowed to give a vision of creating something, rather than paying for something that is already in arrears, well its a profoundly different tone and optic you provide to these supporters of the UH program.
I thought Jeezy was a young pup compared to the other dinsau…..I mean, elder Tsaikos on this blog.
Maryland is the first school to give out lifetime scholarships to all athletes. And that’s after paying 31.3 million in exit fees to the ACC when they left for the B1G back in June.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/08/19/maryland-lifetime-degree-guarantee/14283341/
As for it getting reported elsewhere, it was on the front page of the Oregonian electronic version–see: http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/08/upcoming_opponent_hawaii_in_da.html#incart_m-rpt-1
Rather, unfortunate…
Re: Season tickets.
It’s an apples-and-oranges thing. Until a few years ago, student/faculty/staff season tickets were counted toward season-ticket sales. Now, every UH-Manoa has to buy a “season ticket” through the fees. By the count, 14,000 more tickets should be added to the total. Also, pay-per-view probably should count under season tickets. Again, apples and oranges. It’s like comparing “Gone With the Wind” with “Avengers” revenue. Tickets were cheaper in 1939, and now the more expensive 3-D versions are factored. On the other hand, more people watched movies in 1939 because there was no TV.
HHSAA is also watching UH football. I think QB should be at least MWC play.
What’s interested was when UH was selling out, the budget was under $20 million. Now sales are down and the budget is at $30 million, but the “deficit” is the same.
It’s all about the fans. The trend continues, every year, less and less. Are they tired of doing their part? Frustrated? No care anymore? Politics? No can even get students (free for them) to fill up their sections.
Forgot who last said it but many have said, winning cures a lot of ills.
Last two years there have been a lot of positive vibe, hope and hype, but the outcome never match. Both years it was reported the players worked hard and so and so looks good, but the results never match. This year the the players are working hard, the coaches are fresh and leading by example, the hype is on. But if the end of season record doesn’t match what’s expected…we shall see.
Will Chow have more years as a head coach than Abercrombie as a Governor?
Just win baby.
81 al:
Is that jeezy’s current season ticket holder status
Sounded like he quit long time ago or something
3-Prong: your #1
that thought also crossed my mind that it could be a “wake-up” call for upper campus, legislature, BOR, tourism authority, Aloha Stadium, and a multitude of other business establishment who increase their income or prestige with UH sports; especially football.
it may also serve as a “wake-up” call for the MWC, especially the Commissioner, that their “cash-cow” to cover their football travel expenses to Hawaii may evaporate and how this will affect each member school – bet the schools demanded that UH must pay the “travel subsidies” as numuro uno item for membership to reduce their expenses – I will presume that NO MWC school is athletic profitable.
for State of Hawaii, someone must step forward to create a “plan” to make UH sports profitable for whatever selfish reason they may have
BJ’s annoucement certainly made its rounds on Twitter yesterday. That was bad enough.
Brain Murphy, yesterday, said that Hawaii could still make it in football as an independent. That’s one columnist who wouldn’t mind seeing Hawaii out of the Mountain West and replaced with BYU.
al:
your #82 – I am told that pan fried black cod liver tastes much like eating smoked oysters
too bad you don’t come to our tailgate
Shoko, everything is relative. Al said jeezy may be a season ticket holder longer than some posters, this could mean 8-10 years as compared to those with less time. This could still make jeezy a young pup especially compared to some of the old timers. Lol.
Words of wisdom, from the great Mr. Carneige…
EXAMPLE…
We are going to have to shut down football program…or words to that effect…
OR…
Today… with the support of all the head coaches from all sports.. the UHAD will be COMMENCING a fund-raising drive to raise 10 million…to enable our athletics to participate in all sports n not feel like second class athletics ne more ..
we will be calling on our sports minded citizens of this great state..our elected officials.. n our corporate citizens of Hawaii Nei to join with ‘Ohana’ up here at the University… etc…etc… surely they must be 5000 or more that can ‘dress’ this up a bit…N MAKE IT WORK…
Which one do you think MR. CARNEIGE WOULD APPROVE…
Unfortunately… a ‘cut costs’ personality…. CAN’T SEE OR KNOW THE DIFFERENCE….
My contention..has always been… get a ‘good’ promotion man up there….n things will change…get those people back who ‘walked’ from na koa…the money is here…get sum heads together n work on it…get the stadium back..so can ‘correct’ yje concession prices.. n the long lines for the ladies at the restrooms…some small changes…n sum large ones…should be addressed…
Sad to have to see a coach..or coaches from all sports..to have to ‘step up’… n address problems…(get furniture…friend of friend who knows chow to feed..thanks job corps..) see always the ‘local connection’ something BJ does not have.. n he is to ‘pakiki head’ to ask.. n does not know how to do it…he is a type c personality…c = cut… enough said…i am sure many want to puke…with
the monthly ‘fiasco’ that goes on up there… started with light bulb.. n every month there is more n more drama…never stops…just last month.. no place to feed them warriors.. before that.. ‘no checks in the mail’…rent cots…ching field locked.. no key for visiting team locker… wonder blunder.. is why maybe many not want to get involved…maybe he is in over his head…
IMUA RAINBOW WARRIORS…
HOPE MOST OF YOU TICKET HOLDERS GET THIS WEEK.. N NO STRESS..
Speaking of leadership, if we started a committee here on this blog to save UH athletics, I would definitely start with uhfan808 for having the positive leadership style and being able to see the big picture and not just focusing on the incidentals. I also would have boolakanaka for his wisdom and ability to gather all the facts not to mention being an alumni. Of course, we need an attorney and would add tommui.
Thank you for being great posters,
once spoken, it can never be taken back.
any negative talk/discussion on the mainland is a direct result of what was spoken and the “ripple effect” will not end any time soon
each and every year, coaches will bring up the “possibility” of UH Football going under – untrue as it may be, it will be spoken to shake a recruit’s resolve in considering Hawaii
sports analysts such as Colin Cowhead will rant and rant and he has his own “herd” of followers who will believe anything he says – just like the former Big 10 coaches who lost a football game to Hawaii and vowed that he will never bring a team back because of the “local” basis” against mainland teams – also, how “mean/unsportsmanlike dirty Hawaii players” – and you know what, their fans swallowed it hoof and tail!!!!!!!
met several Alabama fans who had seats next to us and they said Cincinnati players are dirty players, even when they play Alabama, and did not believe any of their coaches and players who blamed Hawaii players for the post-game fight
even with 50,000 paying fans to UH football, it {income} could never cover the cost of the non-revenue sports at UH
why ask for only $3 million from the legislature – ask for $10 million, then bargin or negotiate
Hey Stephen Tsai, have you seen ESPN lately. ESPN is reporting that the Hawaii football program may come to end. This is being ticketed every 5 minutes or so on ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNews. Guess how many high school athletes watch ESPN. THIS IS NOT GOOD. I can see all the college coaches using this against Hawaii when it comes to recruiting. You think a high school, or JC, football player would want to come to Hawaii, knowing what ESPN is putting out. No matter what you say ST, put a fork in the UH football program they are done, thanks to Norm Chow and Ben Jay.
79. I do have season tickets dick… I said I ain’t donating as long as we have a incompetent AD in charge. Do I need to donate money to have a voice?
ESPN is an unreliable source. Most reliable would be from UH and board of directors themselves.
84. Family has had season tickets before I was born till the present.. . So I’ve been attending games personally since the Wagner era. So I’m not in the Tomey era of age, but been going to games for long enough…. Memory wise, the earliest memories would be Michael Carter, Jeff Sydner, Jason Elam, Darrick Branch team. Little too young to remember Gabriel at QB.
Kind of reminds me of Mack’s Notre Dame dance comment.. Frasier’s fans hiding behind anonymity on blogs statement… but this one may have hurt the program more.
28,
Thanks for that Tempmanoa. Just to add to that the legislature feels no urgency to increase funding to UH. UH Administrators continue to mislead legislators as to how taxpayer dollars are spent. They hide money in hidden accounts and believe they are not accountable to the legislature. They can’t or won’t tell legislators what they are spending money on now and request money every year on the basis that costs go up. Legislators believe the athletic department is a reflection of larger problems at UH that must be solved before any consideration can be given to sports.
Tiki808, #108, that may be so, but ESPN is what the rest of the US and world has free and public access to. Recruiters will use that to their advantage impressing on the young recruit how ‘dire’ our situation must be to have been on ESPN.
109.
Just like me then
Hard to believe that UH has an annual budget of close to a billion dollars. It’s best looking buildings aren’t on campus.
People gotta put their money where their mouth is…I had to struggle to buy my season tickets this year after a LOUSY and depressing performance last year. Nonetheless, I bought my tickets again this year and that’ll make it 38 years in a row. Easy to criticize, but if you can’t “pony up”, then you shouldn’t ride…I still think that “pay per view” killed attendance and we should go back to “delayed” broadcast for Oahu, unless there is a sell-out. We’d still get our TV money, maybe not as much, but we’ll have more buns in the seats.
IMUA Warriors!!! Just win baby!
I start every day with a blank slate. It’s nice that UH provides the material.
I’m so old I covered Gabriel when he was a high school player.
BJ may have to “fall on his sword” to correct the damage he has caused UH’s athletic programs nationally with his ill-advised comments…How about Rick Blangiardi as the new AD??
ha ha # 30… should be ‘hoof n mouth disease’ surely he has it.. me agree you…
Privatization is the word. How much can the legislature allocate to UH football? 5% is still the number, just about.
#104, boo, I didn’t forget that you were an attorney too but had to get tommui on for all he has done for UH.
LAST CALL: # 13… me agree 100 %.. me the first one in line behind you…
Buffoman # 37… interest is higher now then before..in high school fans…
just in the day…had no other event going on….. the turkey day double header at the ‘termite’ place was awesome..
And just think…b-4 only waipahu.. n waianae out there ..now have a campbell kapolei…mililani..etc..HS football will always be limited to the student enrollment…but now many go to college on mainland n not return…but the schools still support their teams…just bigger slice of the ‘pie’ has dwindled.. but enthusiasm still there…more people..more schools…
ST-117, I’m so old, that I played against Daryl (his older brother)when he was the bigger name athlete (all-state in bball and football at punawho) and Garrett was in pop warner.
Good noonish everyone!
Re: #13
ArcumFortis — Welcome to the blog. I was going to note something similar, but you said it well.
I am not a BJ fan and have criticized most of his malahini missteps in local culture and attitudes. But he is either learning or quietly updating his resume. But as ArcumFortis points out, it is a reporter who saw a chance for a sensational lead story that spilled the beans. BJ didn’t post it on twitter, did he? (I dunno) What BJ said might have been appropriate for the BOR to hear–but no one else at this point. I like to think if ST was covering the meeting, we would have never have heard about it.
27:
I’m a diehard fan and I will always support the team 100% but I cannot speak for the rest of the people, have you seen the ticket sales this year? You think the people are not coming to the games because it’s too expensive, no. They’re not coming because
1. it’s not entertaining to them
2. they’re not confident that the team can win.
3. they brought Chow back for another year.
ahouse…the kind of black cod liver aka ankimo i eat would be at the sushi place.
#124: I must be older than dirt, because I watched you play…
109…see, i told you i know jeezy.
st…i am so old that i am older than jeezy’s dad.
#126: No argument with your reasoning, but we supported the team with Von Appen and that was far worse than where we are now…Heck, there was more action in the stands (i.e. fighting, etc.) than there was on the field with Von Appen.
Sadly, it looks like it took Chow 2 years to learn humility and to adjust his offense to be more competitive. Maybe, too little, too late, but our guys still battle till the end, so we gotta support!
i think the biggest improvement these days is that we recruit harder and the effects are evident. the other thing is that this year’s coaching staff is more up to snuff and chow is delegating better.
Ben Jay needs a muzzle and needs to learn to work behind the scenes. In any case, Jeff Portnoy on the Josh Pacheco Show this afternoon was very informative. My take on what he said is that a TV news person put on their tweeter, one sentence of BJ’s one-hour briefing. It was taken out of context. Maybe it was malicious, I don’t, nor won’t really know, but that’s how rumors get started.
Still, Colin Cowherd, on his radio show this morning, The Herd, announced that the University of Hawaii is dropping football. And he blames head coach Norm Chow for this demise. He said that the University of Hawaii football program, under previous head coach, June Junes, prospered and went to the Sugar Bowl. And now the program will be lost under Norm Chow. So he said now you know why programs like Alabama pay so much for a coach like Nick Saban. A program dies or prospers under the leadership of its head coach.
bowar…# 115… you are so very very correct… when ppv dangled the money in front of their eyes..uh got big n greedy..in the long run..ppv not prove to be ‘good’ n not the solution…it was n is just a temporary ‘stop gap’… n didv not do the job… cua when that money came..they got ‘lazy’… n stopped ‘hustling’…proof…al the free loaders to the ‘sugar’ no one up there had ‘lahos’ to say ‘no’ you pay…
remember several months ago… all the free tickets given away…???
was n is ne one accountable 4 that ? of course not…
ans so now we going broke n ‘shelve’ football… n more say.. buy season tickets…
yes me agree 100%…it sure will help…but will there be accountability ?
#106: Not just football. If UH”s money sport folds, so does every other sport.
Jeezy must be an 80’s baby if his earliest memories are that of Michael Carter and the 92 Holiday Bowl Team…
who is colin cowhead… please.. no one here in manila heard of him ??
#96 Correct Stephen. And, UH athletic department (not football) was still in the red. There is one-step solution. It will require a number of remedial actions, while at the same time, fending off those that believe we don’t need an athletic program.
Of course, without UH sports, we may not need as many journalists either, and our paper might get cheaper? Not. jk
#133 Who was this irresponsible TV news person that was obviously trying to scoop everyone else. Forget the consequences. They aren’t supposed to care, right. Everything to get the breaking news.
#133: If Cowherd said that on his show, it’s totally unfair to Chow. I may not like Chow or his approach, but I think there’s “hope” for this year. At the end of the day, Chow just has to show positive results and win at least 5 games this year (and be competitive) versus the “blow-outs”/embarassments the past two years. I think Hawaii people are VERY PROUD and they don’t like our teams “making shame” of our State. I think that’s why so many folks, including long-time ticket holders had to think twice about renewing or giving it up. I’m still hoping that they will turn the program around this year…
#115: What peeves me, is that the TV formula “worked” years ago when KHNL had the broadcasting rights, everyone was able to view UH games on TV (no need cable) even if tape delayed, we had mainland games free on TV, and the stadium was full most of the time. It’s when UH got greedy with the money waved by Oceanic that we got “screwed” and things started to go South. Sadly, we had our chance to change things with the new TV contract and we blew-it. I think Blangiardi’s plan was “forward thinking” and we should have scrutinized it more carefully versus “grabbing the bucks.” Now, that’s poor leadership by both Apple and BJ!
No hu hu..mr .BJ…just wear ur Ohio State t shirt when u go costco shopping n no one will recognize you…ur safe…he he he
62. $80,000, but no job security.
Neil didn’t follow through on promises…..history!
Upper Campus, time to step up! You have center stage…oh sorry, actually the national stage. Hero or Zero Time.
Uhfan808: You go girl!
boo: I wish I spoke as eloquently as you.
sad the thing is..they never got to see his ‘forward thinking’ plan..
he never presented to them…was not allowed to..
Sad cuz now he can say ne thing he wants…in what was in that ‘plan’.
not saying he would..or do that…
but letting him ‘show’ it would have been the proper n respectful thing to do…
the first me heard about uh football.. was about ‘johnny dang’…
99 A-House: yes my plan calls for “shared pain'” . Season ticket holders, Student who attend games and those that don’t, PPV folks, corporate partners, and even those at UH that feel that there should be no sports. That’s the only way this will work.
Islandman #141: Getting paid $80K/year for something that occurs once every two years is highway robbery, especially when you “screw-up” two times in a row.
I wonder if someone paid $40K could have done a better job because he/she: 1) earned the job (wasn’t appointed), worked hard on the job (makes you wonder), and wasn humble (not arrogant) as a public servant. For $80K, we should have a better qualified and accountable person.
Don’t worry Islandman, I’m sure they’ll find some “cushy” insider job for the guy because he works for the State and belongs to the union. If he was in private sector, he’d be fired…period!
sat:
no, I meant what I wrote hoof and tail!!
al:
#127 – let’s see – each person caught 8 black cod x 16 = 128 fresh livers bundled into 4 packets
they serve at sushi places? I know they serve Uni.
Howzit Tsaikos!
Monku, monku, monku. That seems to be all some people are capable of.
Don’t forget that you can donate directly to a team through AKA or the respective booster club.
Don’t punish the student-athletes for something a paid employee of the university did. They work their okoles off in the classroom and the field/court/pool/etc. Some even have to work part-time jobs if they are walk-ons or on partial scholarship.
140. St. Anthony: Funny you should say . . . I saw BJ in Costco a few weeks ago, and he was wearing an Ohio State t-shirt.
no ppv? no other live broadcast for those physically unable to attend, no live venue for those on the non-oahu islands, no regular road game broadcasts, no internet available broadcast for those far and near…?
that would really severe the fan base!!!
do you know how many season ticket seats it would take to NET $2,300,000.00 a year?
abolishing ppv is not the answer it is one of the integral solutions to our financial woes. there aren’t many ppv purchasers who would attend if there was none. not enough to generate a couple million dollars each year.
145. Yes, i see he is appointed, by the Election Commission .
117. Some of us remember Schichtle, Casper, QB (1959-60) , Dyer,Skippy,RB (1955-56)
Price, Larry (1952)
Price, Larry (1961-64) , etc.
http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/sports/2010/5/20/FB_0520104437.aspx?id=177
ahouse…technically speaking ankimo is monkfish liver. often times black cod is prepared the. same way.
ankimo is a gourmet delicacy served only in authentic higher ended sushi-ya.
So how’s the volleyball and soccer teams looking?
nasti… me think it was you or al say that a while back…..he was in costco…
al… 50 k at 6 home games = 300k fans… plus if we had a gd deal at the stadium..parking fees n concessions…
300k fans at 5 bucks = 1.5 mil…
go from there… have to add in expenses of course..
local tv rights… keeping some of the revenue from ads etc..jumbo tron..ads there also…but it starts with a better deal at the stadium…
Just checked my mailbox and the football season tickets have arrived.
So if not today, they’ll arrive tomorrow for you.
Just think if the black cod liver were as risky eating as the fugu liver. That would be 128 hit or miss zombie chances. 😮
Reading Boola’s earlier post, I guess I was wrong yesterday in saying that Title IX works the same for males and females.
Anyway got my tickets in the mail today. Looking forward to August 30.
Anyone know if there is a more than 2 years or to 5 years waiting period to play? Then scholarship due to 6-6 tall and 305 ibs. Any island, just locals! 1974
1971 Rockne Freites, is known. Where is Rockne?
#150: I disagree with your logic…What was our TV contract prior to PPV? You have to add that income plus live attendance and I’m sure you’ll supercede our PPV today. Besides, I’m not against supplemental PPV…For example, PPV on the neighbor islands make sense. Live broadcasts of road games should be FREE as it was in the past. It’s a means of goodwill and building a fan base. Besides, you forget that NOT all people have cable or can afford PPV. By having PPV so restrictive, we’ve lost approx. 18% of our former fan base, whereas, these folks used to be able to see the team on a delayed basis for FREE. I believe Blangiardi was correct in that the overall benefits was MORE with his proposal due to the marketing “soft dollars” and promotion that would be achieved. PPV only provides “hard dollars”, but little else. Remember: We have to sell a “new generation” of UH fans and you can’t make it too restrictive through PPV.
1969 U.S.A implements a draft. Vietnam war. Where’s Rockne 6-6 tall 305 ibs.?
Do you think it’s worth it to pay these men at the games? Robert Kekaula, Rob Demelo, Steve Uyehara, Ben Guiterez, etc.
Here’s the Mountain West Network’s preview of Hawaii football this season. What do you think?
http://hawaiiwarriorworld.com/football/video-countdown-kickoff-hawaii/
Nobody will watch if you have unknown announcers at the games. Channels are syndicated, so more popular ones are them.
I have been listening to the radio all day at work (ESPN 1420) Bobby Curran, Josh P., and of course the Sports Animals in the afternoon. They all have stated to help out the UH program by buying season tickets for this year.
I have purchased season tickets in the past for the last 9 years but for the past 3 years I have decided to just go ahead and buy the PPV for the season instead.
For me it all comes down to not having my keiki around drunken fanatical idiots who are so wasted and using such foul language. I don’t need that ! I have seen my fair share of scraps in and out of the stadium and in my younger days I never had issues with it. But now that my keiki are involved, I just needed to make a lesser of two evils choice? Go or No Go? Stay home and be safe, spend less, and the only drunken idiot will be me ! But the main thing is that I not drinking and driving!
KITV4 news sports with Robert Kekaula is a big name. Can they afford a more popular announcer? If so, who might that be? If no pay for Robert.
I have never heard of a Bernard Carvalho jr. Not on O’ahu. unknown still. Sorry!
I don’t know anyone from Kaua’i and into politics or football. So, get….lost!
Hey, congrats to our newly selected team captains!
[ Copied from ST’s blog post from above! (I’m tryna provide a distraction hint hint 😉 ]
#139 bowwar, I totally agree with you that it is unfair to HC Norm Chow. He took it between the eyes from Cowherd and he doesn’t deserve that kind of criticism. I wanted to point out (to Ben Jay) the level of fallout his open comment(s) can generate at a national level. Wishing he tempered his comment is hindsight. What’s done is done and it’s disaster management at this time. But the tv news reporter and station should take the blame for sending it out viral because Ben Jay’s comments were misrepresented and taken out of context (per the chairperson of the BOR briefing).
BJ need to be smarter with his words. He should know we are in a era of “sound bites” and should never utter words like he did. He is a college educated man. Does he not know how to make the same point without using such harsh words?
Why not say something like…”If we don’t get funding help from our legislators, we will face worst then just dwindling attendance”? He doesn’t have to be so bold. He sound like he was threatening the lawmakers and presenting a life and death situation…which it was not.
BJ just need to stay out of the limelight for a time being. His public speaking and his public appearance is just making matters worst. From his blaming fans for low season tickets sales, to now threatening lawmakers for fund, to complaining he is having a hard time due to being an Asian American, he is just making it hard for fans to trust him.
#137 st.anthony trojan. Colin Cowherd (not cowhead) hosts a nationally syndicated radio show that is carried by ESPN 1420 here in Hawaii. Here is a bit from Wikipedia: “The Herd with Colin Cowherd is a sports talk radio show hosted by Colin Cowherd and broadcast on ESPN Radio from Bristol, Connecticut. The show is heard Monday through Friday from 10 a.m. ET until 1 p.m. ET on most ESPN Radio stations and is simulcasted on ESPNU….”
thanks …hata..
Now’s not the time for BJ to run & hide. Albeit unintentional, the damage he’s caused the FB program & UH athletics program as a whole, is now widespread.
He should be front & center all over the UH Athletics home page & any other media to explain himself & declare that UH football is NOT going to go away any time soon.
He said what he said & only he can take it back & hopefully undo what he caused.
maybe 2 nite sports on tv there..he will be on..with the correct ‘version’ of what he said n give short explanation..
Benjay is a genius. Look at how many people are talking about UH football since he made his comments. Unfortunately most of the focus has been on Benjay and not the real issue.
Got ’em!
Must be getting close; erryboddy getting all excited!
Since Gabriel was in high school?
Why would an angel need a secondary education? 😈
I heard UHFB made the PTI list today… 😯
We are 11 days out from the start of the season and this brouhaha about BJ’s poor choice of words is a distraction.
Like most of the “news” the initial reporting is not accurate and those that seek the truth will find it. Most people will have forgotten the story in a week.
My hope is that the Warriors will give us something better to talk about on the 30th.
Received my 4 season tickets today. Enough with the negative. Back our boys. Go Warriors!!!!!
I found it funny to read that even the bookstore is pushing around UH athletics. The bookstore? They need to send some of our starting LB’s down there to renegotiate the agreement between H-Zone and the … eh hem … bookstore.
kev-1 Re: #183
I think all the bookstore has to do is waive whatever contract(s) it has with the various vendors or assign the contracts to H-Zone. Probably doesn’t hurt the LBs being sent there – maybe the boss-man/woman of the bookstore.
What we have here is a failure to negotiate.
On the subject of Ben Jay. He made a report to the Regents. Unfortunately with sunshine law and our version of glasnost (openness), Jay’s report becomes public and the press puts its particular spin on it. Fault should be on the press, not Ben.
It seems with Ikaika, he might throw defenses off running some option plays with his size and quickness. Hope they can light em up in the air cause I know we got the running down.
got my tickets! got my Aiea Elem School parking pass! got my tailgate food listed!
I ate fugu 5 times in my trips to Hokkaido – sometimes the lips and tounge tingled – ate fugu soup many times in my young’un days – my dad was careful to remove the poisonous sack carefully – absolutely delicious!!!!!!!!
I would not eat uncooked liver from any animal or fish – actually, my uric count is near borderline gout and my doctor, in 1959, said to stay away from eating any animal inners – I love to eat tripe stew, livers, hearts, and gizzards.
agree, that BJ should be front and center to clear the misunderstanding – if it is false, but repeated enough, people will believe it’s true – UH does not have enough creditability through out the mainland to stop coaches to use what BJ said to secure commitments from student athletes in all sports – and I give the Republicans much credit for this philosophy – unless someone or many others counter the falsehood
Tickets? Check!
Also Ben’s Blunder now being reported on Pardon the Interruption. In one crybaby moment Gentle Ben has done so much damage to UH football. He got to go.
Each time the subject of UH athletic revenues and expenditures comes up, the leadership should …
1) Repeat that deficits are the norm, not the exception in FBS programs
2) Repeat that UH athletic finances are hamstrung by both travel subsidies and stadium revenue restrictions
3) Repeat that local fundraising efforts continue to work hard and deliver significant support to UH athletics
4) Quantitatively back these claims up with a well researched financial handout.
If it wasn’t for the fact that the AD has dined on his own shoe leather numerous times since taking the job, I would wonder if the sweet deal the ex-chancellor got didn’t influence the AD’s speech.
Yeah
Football will stay
Despite words from BJ
We know he lolo sometimes when he texts or tweets
But we all know he just wants the programs to get on their feet.
Sometimes he is like the guy the one that always says come stay we go, like when he said we are all warriors then oh wait we rainbows.
But i hope he succeeds in all of his plans, make money graduate athletes and have happy fans.
His job cant be easy with so much red tape, trying to plug pukas to get things ship shape.
No worry BJ still got much aloha for you, lets just focus and go out and get that first W.
🙂
Having national exposure might have been a good thing and be a wake up call to the NCAA. Maybe after hearing about it they can look into what can help us financially like maybe paying half of the travel subsidies. It would hurt all of college football if Hawaii lost it’s team.
I know some of you are saying without PPV we would have to make up the $2.3 mil that PPV brings in. But with no PPV, wouldn’t we get a cut of the Mountain West TV money? I thought that it amounted to about $1.7 mil. So would only have to make up the difference, $.6 mil. Another reason the MW likes Hawaii in the conference. Don’t have to share the TV money.
Just wondering if anyone has read the full transcript of what BJ said at the BOR meeting. I’ve been following this via the print media and via 1420. So far I’ve read/heard only snippets of what he actually said.
I wish the media would get reactions from those present. The regents, the UH prexy, media members and other interested parties who were present. What is their take on what BJ said.
Ben Jay is a prime example of the Peter Principle: promoted to the position of incompetence. He is a number #2, not a front guy. Before we blame the press for “leaking” his bonehead statement, remember that he subsequently gave a television interview with similarly damaging sound bites.
He lacks leadership skills and common sense. Heard him speak last month at a UH event. Half of his statements referenced his background with OSU. There is something wrong when you have to quote your résumé every time you speak.
Who would have thought BJ’s “threat” would have such a huge impact across the media. Great job. Jeezy was right when he implied what this could mean for recruiting.
National news sources WILL report the claim that UH football will be no more. However, they WILL NOT report a clarification of Jay’s statements. That means that outside of Hawaii, people will assume that football is pau.
Dumb A$$
bowar…the pre-ppv tv contract was $600k or approximately 25% of the current contract. it was a delayed broadcast if you recall.
the difference of $1,700.000.00 is not to sneeze at. again, you do realize that this is net income and not gross revenue before expenses. its as if you and your neighbors donated over two million.
You know who is going to have to fix BJ’s blunder?
The football team. They need to make noise this year so people start talking about the program and maybe clear up the misconception. As if this team didn’t have enough pressure already.
Dang. Ask and you shall receive. Tuned in to KHON and the lead story was a story on UH athletics. Jeff Portnoy gave his take on the department’s financial situation. Also had sound bites from Chow and Jay.
I hope this situation turns into a case where bad publicity is better than no publicity. Since some of BJ’s remarks on the possible demise of UH football went viral tongues having been wagging from Manoa to Bristol. After the initial flurry of reactions (mostly negative) the real problem of budget shortfall is taking more of the spotlight, at least locally. Getting more people to understand the Athletics Department’s financial quandary may lead to a solution.
No. 161 Tiki808 I don’t know how old you are but let me tell you that the selective service was full on strong well before 1969. I was about to be drafted in 1965 but enlisted into the Air Force. Vietnam was escalating in 1966. Prior to that there were so called military advisers to the South Vietnam military in the early 60s.
I think you got it right ST with calling out the doom and gloom attitude by somebody who dangles the we’ll-cut-football threat. Yes I feel the sense of frustration in your words from the thoughtless, unprofessional leadership from the somebody.
BJ calculated the risk and went with the play. JD calculated the risk and went with his play. Both are experienced and understand the politics. Both are telling the same story about the financial issues. And both can only achieve success at being AD with the political will of others – the UH pres, BOR, governor, and legislature. This foursome will take soooo long to act on a common cause that the unfortunate is a real possibility. IMHO.
Seriously, can you guys type about something other than Ben Jay?
Same old negativity getting old.
You want everyone to focus on football when you’re not focusing on the very topic you don’t want everyone else to gossip about.
There’s an entire football team with a major first game coming up in just 11 days!
A poster on the Warrior Sportsnetwork site heard a Portnoy interview on radio and reported:
“First, like I said, Portnoy’s comments were very interesting and informative. One of the things he mentioned first was that the statement made by BJ was so taken out of context, it completely twisted the original intent of what BJ was trying to convey when he said it. According to Portnoy, KITV immediately leaked something to the effect that BJ said Football was going to go away. What BJ had actually said was that in the very worst case scenario, it could be conceivable that football would have to be pau. (Of course, as I and many others have said, if that happened, UHAD for all intents and purposes would be pau hana too at that point.) He wasn’t threatening, he wasn’t posturing, he was simply stating that this was a possibility should the very worst happen. Of course–what the media reported was only the part that Football was going away–giving everyone the impression that BJ was threatening to kill football.
It’s a case of poor/selective/sensationalisic reporting. PERIOD. Then instead of accurately explaining, IMO all the media outlets just ran with it in order to cash in on the story. All the TV stations, radio stations and the newspaper did the same thing…ALL GUILTY.
The other thing that I found interesting is Portnoy’s comments made it pretty clear IMO, that Apple was exactly the f*cker I suspected he was. Even more so now, I think he was underhanded and clearly deceptive in his dealings with UHAD and the community. I think he knowingly masked and hid an anti-athletics agenda from the general public and did his best to undermine (from behind the scenes) the best efforts of the Athletic Director(s) reporting to him (Donovan AND Jay). It is also my belief that he did this with the full knowledge and blessing (if not mandate of) Greenwood.
Now…as for academics…I have no problem with the administration having an “academics first” agenda. UH is after all, an institute of “higher” learning. It is my belief though, that education encompasses more than just the academics–the “studies.” Extra-curricular activities in the college setting are IMO, an extremely important part of the education and the experience. To ignore athletics or other “non-study” type activities is a great mistake and does the students a great disservice. It seems though, that ultimately, this was the direction Apple (and had she stayed, Greenwood was) headed in.
I am hopeful that Lassner–with whom BJ has already had some meaningful conversation per his segment, will work to change the system that does not allow for the AD to directly administer his department–or at least streamline the channels through the AD can communicate his needs, such that one dissenting mind cannot necessarily derail the entire department’s future.”
Do your duty.
Buy your season ticket.
Donate to NaKoa.
Go or don’t go to the games; watch the games at home.
Without our doing something about funds and not being part of the fix – part of the solution – and focusing only on complaining to complain without being productive, we become part of the problem.
Why?
Because unbeknownst to you, the next time you talk bad about and complain, you just might have been successful at convincing someone who wanted to be positive that they should think negatively.
And what does this do? Positively spreads negatively.
Don’t be part of the problem. We all need to be the Warrior fan team member that we all can count on.
That person you might have convinced could be the very player you hoped and wished would to come play for the Warriors 🙁
204 AdmrVT:
I cannot stand those kinds of reporters
No morals or lack of.
Any bailout of the program at this point must be directly tied to the immediate removal of the two people most responsible for the embarrassment that is the current UH football program – norm and bj.
Bowwar 115 and UHfan808……you are the type of folks I associate with. All this nonsense of not going to games withholding monies etc. it is the program and the legacy, not the now approach. This team is headed in the right direction and has a plan in place…..this year it will unfold and naysayers be damned–we need more folks who are fans to join Na Koa as there are less than 1000 members and only 28% of the 800K came from membership fees. I have made a personal goal before my demise to payback the scholarship money I receiced decades ago. I am nothing more than a hugely impassioned Warrior for life!!! Check out the Na Koa Facebook page I am sure you will figure out who I am—Lets Play some football!!!!
Good Morning All–
Wyoming is a state of 300,000 people, their football program is lower tier in the MWC, but look at their facilities:
http://www.gowyo.com/facilities/wyo-facilities.html
Lahainaluna High received a $1 million donation from a Malahini from the mainland to build their stadium and redo their field. Aside from the Ching Family/Foundation, can you think of any other local people who could do the same?
So now Pres Lassner is saying it’s a bad idea to cancel football because it would cost is money. Does that mean he will be providing additional funding? According to Nestor Garcia’s report last year he also said he would not provide additional funding. President Lassner, you are on center stage. Sitting on the fence is the worst thing to do. Step up!
Nestor Garcias report last night…
“intent” is good or bad – but, “perception” is the only item that counts – much like glass house(s) – speak, but be prepared for others to throw “bricks” at the glass house
no station on the mainland will care to write what BJ said other than the demise of football at UH
3-prong—you gotta love Sammy “Steamboat” Mokuahi!! Misssttter Franicsssss—-
some say that “bean counters”, scientists, many engineers, many doctors, etc. lack the “interpersonal” skills to succeed – true? untrue? “think about it”
as in the past 4-5 years, imbedded into the football season tickets is a “coupon” for wahine basketball and kane volleyball
if you or your family or friends will NOT use it/them, bring it to the tailgate and I will make a collection again and give them to Coach L. Beeman;
or, send the coupon to me at 1164 Bishop Street #400, Hon, HI 96813
many thanks for your contribution(s) to UH athletics!!
4 words AHouse—Bill Gates & Steve Jobs—nuff said.
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Good Morning Tsaiko Nation !
Excellent news last night as I have been approved by UHAD that hosting Hawaii teams here in Los Angeles is 100% safe and sanctioned by the NCAA. I and my fellow LA Chapter alums will be ON it this UH sport season taking care of the lower budget teams as wahine soccer vs Northridge will be our first table training event. Teams that are also on my list will be wahine softball, tennis, water polo with mens volleyball, tennis and swim team included enjoying “meals on wheels” !
My home has been given the OK to house any training table UH team as it will be one awesome time having them come up relaxing in my upscale neighborhood, eating some hot nourishing food, playing their x-box / playstation games with my outdoor pool providing the cool splash as Julius Cesar, Marc Anthony and Cleopatra statures stand tall with 30 feet of green trees surrounding their privacy.
Also, sending off over $1,000.00 of silent auction items for LWC future reception and fund raising events. Won the raffle at this year Holaulae’a for a one time free pass from Pacific Air Cargo which will fly all items to Hawaii and will cost nothing for UH but contact person to pick up and that will be my LWC brother Dr. Don Weir, Man God and Life is good !
Have a GREAT day good folks of Hawaii Nei as I continue to find ways giving back to the Aloha Spirit !
So where is the Ding, Ding, Ding?
Wait for it………….wait for it…..
no mo
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There is a problem for outer island players? Them! Where will they live, if no place to stay?
Norm Chow can only suit 60 players per game. Cost for year on travel is … $259,200 dollars ($300/ticket to Ca. 1 way) plus faculty expenses. Comes in through gate ticket sales $75/ticket upper North end zone, average price for average buyers. Not anybody? mmm? add more $ per year. Na Koa might help, but not a lot. Think about a $1.48 million dollar deficit. You will enjoy picking up some of this cost? Why?
What’s up, all is going well here and ofcourse every one is sharing data, that’s
really fine, keep up writing.