Last-chance run

The stretch run begins today with meetings and an afteroon workout.

Here’s new starting quarterback David Graves’ take: “A lot of people will see the downside of it. A lot of people will be all negative. (Defensive line coach) Tony Tuioti put it into perspective. He played on a team that lost 19 games in a row. He said if they were two games away from a bowl, that would be the world to them. Put in that  perspective, our season is blessed in many ways. We have to move on and get these last two Ws.”

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During this morning’s teleconference, head coach Greg McMackin said he was hopeful defensive tackle Kaniela Tuipulotu will be available for Saturday’s game against Tulane. McMackin said Tuipulotu will undergo an MRI on his shoulder today.

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Prayers and deepest sympathies to Inoke Funaki and his wife.


  1. wowlaulau November 21, 2011 7:45 am


  2. CoolEthan November 21, 2011 7:48 am

    Mr. Graves, take it and run with it. Pass with it. Fool the other team with it. You got it.

    Get the wins needed for the Hawaii Bowl.

    You can do it.

  3. Midnight November 21, 2011 7:49 am

    The past is the past. Imua!

    Go Warriors!

  4. Shoko November 21, 2011 7:50 am


    For any gamblers: Warriors are 17.5 favorites this weekend. However, I could care less about the spread at this point. Just get the W so us Warrior fans can still have hope for a bowl game.

  5. Midnight November 21, 2011 7:51 am

    Good morning Tsaikos! Have a wonderful day!

  6. CoolEthan November 21, 2011 7:53 am

    When Oregon runs the offense so quickly, they don’t have time consider, or dwell on the past play which may of faulted. Even the coach may question the refs, but will do it after the next play is getting under way.

    They have their own version of One Snap, Clear.

  7. Hilo-Warrior November 21, 2011 8:08 am

    Good morning and +1 for Shoko.

    Warrior Fan for life. I honestly believe that graves has they intangibles to get us these last couple of wins.

    Go WARRIORS!!!

  8. Aburage Shogun November 21, 2011 8:15 am

    sports for fun wrote:This may sound foolish, but is there a way to expand the TC Ching Field on campus where it could be a decent size football stadium? Use bleacher seats? Have that road that leads to the Diamond Head exit exist under the stands? Just thinking…I don’t know if it’s possible. :/

    Click on my user name to load up an image I did a few years ago.

    So as to not lose the track, I moved the current Ching Field to the upper grass field. I then superimposed Stanford Stadium (50,000 seat bleachers) and chopped off part of the upper stands (I would guestimate that is around 5000-7500 seats lost). The Law School parking was extended over where Klum if located and the HPER gyms were expanded. Note that everything is to scale so it is quite clear something like this would be a very tight fit.

    The reality is that a more feasible sized stadium with a capacity of around 35,000 (comprised of a mix of seat back bleachers and Aloha Stadium style seats for “premium/luxury” boxes) is about what the free space in the quarry could realistically support. I was going to try and make the seating area dark green like how it is in Murakami and the SSC but it turned out to be a pain to do — use your imagination to visualize how much better it would look.

    With that said, cut/paste is far different than actually getting something like this accomplished because it would require extensive capital to make sure the basic infrastructure (power, water, sewage) is in place first. This does not even touch on the large issue of traffic which would require changes to surrounding roads. Of course, my proposal would fall something on the lines of convincing the community that high utilization of the facility would mainly be during a period running from August to December but not every week (the inconvenience would be during home games and special events.)

    Caveats: the entire lower bowl of the stadium would have to be constructed below the current surface grade of the quarry so this assumes that one could further excavate the quarry (not sure since isn’t there spring water below Moilili?). If that could be done, the excavation could be roughly in the shape and angle of the bowl (a berm which pre-built concrete sections could be constructed on.) Building the lower bowl on the current quarry floor would require a larger footprint to support the entire superstructure (space which is already tight as it is).

    Note that it is possible to make the angles of the stands steeper to narrow the profile of the entire structure. In otherwords, so long as the overall shape of the stadium is rectangular with straight lines, it is possible to fit something in the current space occupied by Ching Field.

    Doing something like this requires some sort of long term vision. Why? Because once the proposed Ching Athletics Complex is built on this site, doing something like the above would no longer be possible.

  9. Slugger November 21, 2011 8:17 am

    Good morning, gangeez!

    Aloha, midnight & beautiful Barbara!


  10. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 8:23 am

    I think it’s always good to have a stadium on campus, but could it support the traffic? Also, is an on-campus staidum meant to attract students? Would UH/state be bringing the stadium to the students instead of the students coming to the stadium?

  11. WarriorNY November 21, 2011 8:31 am

    Morning All,

    You gotta like Graves’s competitiveness and demeanor. Can people stop calling for Mack’s head? We won the WAC LAST YEAR!

    Talk about short-sighted… I like how some of you say we only did well last year because of the two receivers. Salas started his career at UH as an outside receiver and Pilares started as a RB. Who made the changes for them to move to slot where they shined?

  12. tommui November 21, 2011 8:36 am

    In theory, a campus stadium would be primarily for students – part of the educational experience. University of Chicago does not have a D-1 to D-3 football team though it has a “club” football team. It has enough endowment that it does not community support and it is a private college.

    That being said, a college football team does generate community support after a fashion and is a rallying point for its alumni.

    And with that, GOOD MORNING HAWAII!

  13. JAI November 21, 2011 8:42 am

    I usually buy extra tickets for the premium games, I didn’t buy any this year. For me, it was a wait and see year. Basically, the run and shoot is still there but it needs two other elements IMHO….. timing and rythm. Those seem to take a bit longer to develop for some reason. So, while I am hopeful I didn’t hold high expectations this year, I actually think next year will be better because the offense will be more experienced and they can take this year and work on the intangibles with the new game experience.

    Defense has been awesome. Only thing is if you give the opposing team the ball repeatedly, they eventually will score. So im not disappointed with the defense. The other thing I notice with the defense is they are playing hurt. Watch closely, even though they still make plays you can see them in pain.

    It seems the standard everyone expects now though is 450 yards per game with 40+ points per game. It’s kind of like everyone expected no drop off with Moniz out, they expect there won’t be any drop off with a coaching change. Just my opinion.

  14. Wes'side Warrior November 21, 2011 8:44 am

    Howzit, everyone!

    Way to go, Graves! Keep at it!

    Heal up, Warriors! We need everyone available!

    Execute your assignments! Still can!

    Stretch, are you running today? Sorry, sleep-deprived brain playing tricks with words!

    As much as an on-campus stadium could deliver and add to the overall team support and experience, bottom line is we still gotta win. Things are looking up. Excited about this week.

    Go, Warriors!!!

  15. bb November 21, 2011 8:49 am

    That photoshop of Ching Field is pretty cool.

    Hows about add outfield stands to Les Murakami and a bigger parking structure.

    Nothing like dreamin….

  16. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 9:01 am

    #8- Aburage: Cool Photo. I also believe that it’s doable to have an on-campus stadium in the 40,000 capacity range with room for expansion. Moving the track to the grass fields would suffice. Don’t forget putting in luxury suites for additional revenue. Need to have vision, which is often in short supply at UH.

  17. kev-1 November 21, 2011 9:03 am

    one word . . . LEADER

    Like it a lot.

  18. NaKoaMike November 21, 2011 9:04 am

    Photos of the Fresno State game are now up:

  19. kev-1 November 21, 2011 9:06 am

    Kinda funny that on college campuses across the nation, football is a big deal. Students are a big part of the fan base . . . except in Hawaii. The bulk of the support in Hawaii comes from the residents, not the students. Maybe it is BECAUSE there is no on-campus stadium. IDK? If the stadium were a stroll away from the dorms, would it make a bigger deal on campus? Not sure.

  20. WarriorNY November 21, 2011 9:12 am


    Good point.

  21. jm2375 November 21, 2011 9:15 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Traffic around UH when attendance at the SSC goes over 8000 is really bad. For Senior Night, it took me 40 minutes to get from the Bingham exit to the structure (I didn’t get off the freeway).



    GO HOYAS!!

  22. Souljah November 21, 2011 9:18 am

    Did/Are the students showing up in full force to Volleyball, softball, basketball on campus????


    Why would anyone think that an on campus stadium would change that?

  23. CHEE! November 21, 2011 9:18 am

    Gotta admit, during the game and after the game I was cursing, b*tching, calling for Mack to go, not gonna renew my season tickets, etc etc etc. The next morning when I sobered up and got to thinking… the kids did the best they could, David Graves was remarkable (his deep ball is money), and Kaniela was beast!

    They are all winners and I know they are preparing for battle and they will leave everything out on the field.


  24. Slugger November 21, 2011 9:19 am

    Last day to vote for Kanani Danielson! Please tell everyone you know to vote. She’s 8% points behind today.

  25. Souljah November 21, 2011 9:20 am

    I saw recruit Kendrick Mathis on the sidelines during the game. Hopefully he sees how he can get alot of playing time right away.

  26. Gumby November 21, 2011 9:24 am

    Years ago the student section (Super Rooter) when I was there was always packed. It was the place to be. There was something magical about the Tomey-early Wagner years. We somehow believed that something great could happen through our football team. The teams back then were very representative of our hope, dreams, and the possibilities of what could be. The whole state was connected with the team. That slowly eroded during the later Wagner years and Von Appen years. That spark slowly came back during the JJ era and we had a glimpse of that last year. I was too young to remember when Tomey first came to UH, when Hawaii first joined the WAC and the way state leaders rallied around “what could be.” There are many reasons the football program and support for it has dwindled. Maybe we need to look back in order to move forward and emulate the things that made Hawaii football great and what created fan support. Winning is an obvious factor but there are deeper issues than that.

  27. Stretch November 21, 2011 9:24 am

    I go to the games to support the players… that’s it!

  28. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 9:25 am

    I don’t know if it’s just me, but whenever I travel on the continent, I often will visit the nearest University. The first place I want to visit is the school’s football stadium. Although it’s old, Husky Stadium was pretty impressive the first time I saw it, especially with the dropback of Lake Washinton and the Cascade Mountains in the distance.

  29. Stretch November 21, 2011 9:27 am

    Students Dilemma

    Tailgate and drink then go into the game. under 21 no beer, over 21 too expensive, no beer.


    PPV, party at a friend’s house, drink beer all night for cheap.

  30. A-joe November 21, 2011 9:29 am



    Several programs use offsite stadiums and still have a major student following. USC is one.

    During the 70’s and 80’s, UH had no problem with student support. We bombarded anything UH had to offer.

    To build an on campus stadium just so students can support the team is fiscally illogical and preposterous. Right now, UH students barely even support any of the UH sports currently staged on campus.

    Because of the fight incident a few weeks back, UH students are staging “De-Occupy” football games. They think it looks cool and proves a point. All it does is hurt the program in the long run. No one wins. Very dumb. What a waste.

  31. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 9:33 am

    Bob Wagner had the right idea and offensive scheme with the spread given the type of athletes that UH recruits in terms of size, speed, and athletic ability. For example, they were successful with shorter, more explosive type offensive linemen like Amosa Amosa, Shawn Ching, Doug Violetti, among others. Slotbacks such as Dane McArthur, Clayton Mahuka, Eddie Kealoha among others were maybe not the fastest, but had a lot of toughness, elusiveness, and athletic ability.

  32. A-House November 21, 2011 9:35 am


    how about superimposing your “plan” so the “mauka” side is over the ROTC buildings and stretch over into Varisty circle and unto King Street – that way, no need to move the existing Ching Field complex, keeping the grass field, etc.

    buy out all the property from University Ave to King Street to Humane Society property – any excess space can be used for multi-level parking with entry/exit from King St and University Ave – make the stadium floor be over H-1 Frwy with entry/exit direct from KKHD and EWA bound traffic into the parking structure.

    below the stadium floor – use for parking ( buses , emergency, police, delievery vehicles , athletic staff, students, etc. ) with all revenues to UHAD.

    build multiple restaurants within the structure including fine dining with staff/students from the Community Colleges running the facility and fast food outlets for students, facaulty, and general public – thus, continuous use of the facility including parking structure.

    no forget the “plush box seats” on both mauka and makai sides – total seating capacity 45,000.

    if “termite palace” could hold up to 25,000 fans without parking facilities, so can the new UH on-campus stadium.

    another idea is to build a new stadium on the West Oahu campus as Oahu population is moving “west” and the only area for housing development is the central plains and leeward coast – believe the center of population was at the east Halawa boundry to Moanaloa about 15 years ago.

  33. kev-1 November 21, 2011 9:37 am

    22 . . . basketball and volleyball do pretty well

    30 . . . that’s true. I was just raising the question. I don’t think it is realistic to build an on campus stadium anyway. Where would it go, for one. And parking? yikes.

  34. madeinhawaii November 21, 2011 9:39 am

    Problem is, the opposing teams have also gotten a lot bigger, stronger, faster and better since Wagner’s days.

  35. A-House November 21, 2011 9:43 am

    I believe the primary reason reason for an on-campus stadium is for the UHAD to receive a majority if not all proceeds from parking, food, and donations.

    For example, Hawaiian Airlines made a huge donation for the right to have the field named after them to Aloha Stadium. How much did UH get from that? Anyone know? Rumor is that it was very small; authority kept the huge %.

    Will the State and City allow UH to build an on-campus stadium? They control the rights/permits, etc. How much will special interest groups push against such an idea?

  36. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 9:44 am

    #34: Good point. I remember the days when you rarely had players at 300 lbs. A lineman at say, 280 was considered “big” in those days. Now 280 lbs is considered somewhat undersized.

  37. Ipu Man November 21, 2011 9:45 am

    Aburage San, good job! Very impressive.

    Too bad the bureacracy would ignore it.

    Well, at least you show that it could be done.

    Another thing, some of the new world thinkers

    planned the west Ohau campus to do away with Manoa.

    Somewhere on the internet gossip there was talk

    that it will be turned into a

    wilderness preservation area…

  38. Pomai November 21, 2011 9:45 am

    Like it or not winning consistently will fill the stadium, note the word “consistently”

  39. Kekoa November 21, 2011 9:47 am

    Aburage Shogun ~

    That’s an interesting concept @#8. What are your plans for the additional parking that you’ll need? I’m guessing some relief could be provided by the rail transit station being close by. Buses bringing people from designated pickup points might work…students in the dorms would have it easy.

    Perhaps a sports complex for fb practice, soccer & Field events in the upper grass field area.

    Mahalo for advancing your ideas.

  40. al November 21, 2011 9:49 am

    the only logical location for a new stadium is the ala wai golf course.

    surely it is one of the most often played courses. but, really how many people does it really serve?

    how much revenue does it really bring in?

    i don’t golf, it is true. but really how many of the golfers on oahu golf at the ala wai?

    the stadium there should be run by the university and in the new construction they could have many other venues that the university could utilize in many ways.

    but, none of the politicians have the balls to do such out of fear of being shut out by the influence that all the old timers who “own” the ala wai gc as if it were their own private country club.

  41. al November 21, 2011 9:50 am


  42. al November 21, 2011 9:52 am

    wagner hired paul johnson and his spread offense.

    paul johnson/georgia tech and kenny niumatolo/navy still employ that same offense with the same efficiency.

  43. A-joe November 21, 2011 9:54 am


    When I asked Bob Wagner what his plans were to bring a national championship to Hawaii, all he gave me was reasons on how hard it is to even win the WAC. Much less win a national championship.

    Bob had no vision or aspirations to grow the program beyond what it was then. He was in, “maintain” mode.

    June Jones wiped the slate clean and introduced a whole new concept and possibilities of what Hawaii could do. JJ not only brought in a whole new football system, he went beyond and showed UH how use their resources to brand and market themselves.

    Mack’s outlook of the program is in the same Wagner’s: Maintain. Every move JJ made, whether it involved uniforms, recruiting or interviews, all had a purpose. He would constantly retool and re-market his product. JJ surrounded himself with people that shared his vision and wanted to carry the program forward.

  44. RedZone November 21, 2011 10:03 am

    The offense that Wagner brought in had 3 elements. It had the triple run option that most people recognize, the sprint out pass option and the run and shoot passing game.

  45. A-joe November 21, 2011 10:09 am

    Back in ’07 we went through this discussion here on the blog to build an on campus stadium. We also looked at other areas like the Ala Wai Golf course, Kapolei, as well as the existing site. I made overhead pics using Google maps and placed stadium configurations into these areas. (Jason has all of those pics) We used Boise State’s current stadium configuration and placed it over Ching Field. It had room to expand to 50,000.

    Two major problems surfaced with an on campus idea. Traffic and long term viability.

    Lower Manoa and upper Moilili is already congested. Adding a major facility would over tax the area.

    Hawaii can’t support two massive facilities. Aloha stadium would have to be torn down. That means all major events would have to be held at the new campus stadium. Would the residents of the area support such an idea? It would be like having APEC all day and night every weekend. All this just so kids “might” attend a few home football games?

    Not gonna happen.

    BTW- Boise not going.

  46. WarriorNY November 21, 2011 10:10 am

    Random thought…

    Next year’s QB’s Graves, Stump, Spain, Shutter, Higgins and Woosley… That’s a ton of talent to be sitting on the sidelines… Would Stump or Higgins consider moving to slot-back or receiver?

  47. Kevin November 21, 2011 10:13 am

    Ad nauseum…

    The current infrastructure of the surrounding neighborhood streets and exits to UH and leaving UH CANNOT SUPPORT A CROWD OF 25,000+.

    As JM said and others have noticed, when the SSC or Les Murakami goes near their respective capacities, it’s a mess.

    The ONLY way it would work is a MASSIVE overhaul and hundreds of millions of dollars in construction in cooperation with the surrounding neighborhood boards, the C&C, and the state to pull it off.

    If the ONLY reason for an on-campus stadium is to draw students there are things UHAD would be inclined to do, probably at little to NO cost to work with the student activity folks and ASUH. UHAD utilizes social media but posts and event invitations on Facebook or alerts on Twitter only does so much.

    Again, the problem most likely lies AGAIN in the split between upper and lower campus. Student activities and the ASUH appear to ONLY take directives from upper campus and those student body organizations are essentially under the supervision (for a lack of a better term) with upper campus-related functions or interests.

    Several Fridays student activites hosts movie nights and gatherings at Campus Center and they DO coincide with UH athletic events on campus as I noticed during the spring of 2011.

    Flipping the culture and attitude of a demographic cannot usually be done with hundreds of millions of dollars. It usually starts with some small ideas or fixing broken links.

  48. RedZone November 21, 2011 10:14 am

    Wags also had a DC Rich Ellerson who is the head coach of Army.

  49. Committed Road Warrior November 21, 2011 10:16 am

    A-joe #30:

    Agreed with your point regarding off-site stadiums, but I wouldn’t exactly use USC as the example. Yes, the Coliseum is considered “off-site,” but the USC campus is literally 1/4 mile away.

    I figure South Carolina would be a better example…their stadium is like 3 miles from campus.

  50. RedZone November 21, 2011 10:16 am

    I remember going to games at the termite palace. The traffic was really bad. And when it rained it didn’t move at all.

  51. Kevin November 21, 2011 10:17 am


    November 21st, 2011 at 9:49 am

    but, none of the politicians have the balls to do such out of fear of being shut out by the influence that all the old timers who “own” the ala wai gc as if it were their own private country club.


  52. RedZone November 21, 2011 10:17 am

    I thought the quarry had flooding problems.

  53. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 10:18 am

    As a golfer, you wouldn’t get any support from me turning the Ala Wai into a stadium. Probably the exact opposite. haha.

    Its the only muni golf course thats sustainable. All the others do not generate that kind of revenue.

  54. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 10:21 am

    David Graves would probably thrive in an offense like this:

  55. A-joe November 21, 2011 10:29 am

    Aloha stadium’s current location remains the ideal spot. Just needs to be improved. It’s currently underutilized.

    We had all this stadium discussion back in ’07. Many of the ideas shared then are being introduced by Glen Wakai right now. He got those ideas through discussions and meetings with W-Doc and Garrett.

  56. Slugger November 21, 2011 10:31 am

    U. of Oregon has an off-campus stadium.

    There are natural springs in the Mo’ili’ili area which may be a problem in the UH campus area when building. The neighborhood definitely would have a hard time with the increased traffic if FB games were held at UH. I’d hate to see the other sports facilities take a hit to accomodate FB on lower campus.

    Let’s just fill Aloha Stadium. GO WARRIORS!!!


  57. Aburage Shogun November 21, 2011 10:42 am

    Traffic would be one of the biggest issues with an on campus stadium because I remember all the discussions when the SSC was on the drawing board. All of that led to the additional turn lane from the offramp and the widened road down to lower campus as well as all the traffic light modifications. I think we all know how bad traffic is when the SSC is only 3/4 full.

    Considering that 23,000+ used to converge on the Moiliili area at the old stadium where parking was extremely limited, its not like the area has zero experience with that sort of major congestion before. It would still take creative thinking including partnering with off site parking facilities and shuttling patrons in. I do realize that when Aloha Stadium was built, it added amenities which were non-existent at Honolulu Stadium. An on campus stadium naturally means sacrificing some of those things that people have become accustomed to including tailgating right outside the stadium and all fold down seating (unless a lower capacity is ok.) Again, it comes down to what sort of long term vision the university and the surrounding community has. If traffic is an insurmountable mountain, then clearly such a plan is non starter and shouldn’t even be considered as realistic.

    Per Stephen’s question, like any other campus facility, it’s use would be for student activities first. Part of the stadium would thus be attached to the current HPER complex to provided added office and rooms. But that doesn’t mean the university could not think of ways to generate revenues by selectively renting out the facility. I know that they rarely do that with the arena in terms of promoting it as a place for concerts and what not, but they really should be more aggressive in this area.

    kev-1, UH Manoa has for the most part been a commuter school. The campus vibe has never really been what you would call student friendly compared to other institutions which have their own on campus stadium. Even at the old stadium, residents and not UH students comprised the bulk of the 23,000+ in attendance. If you use the current on campus venues as a template, being on campus still does not equate to filling them to capacity. But one needs to look beyond that. Being able to control the venue is important. While there was talk of UH taking over Aloha Stadium, the ongoing and long term maintenance issues really make that a no go. That facility even with its upgrades is living on borrowed time before it will need to be “redone”.

    From reading the various responses, many are clearly missing a key point. Something like this need does not have to be done all at once. The Ching Athletic Complex is something everyone here is aware of. It’s design should take into account the ability to build it out into a larger venue. If that initial design does not take into account this ability to be expanded, then your future options are limited. The same goes for the rest of the infrastructure where incremental planning and upgrades can be performed depending on the direction. I know already that proposing even something like this will tend to bring about negative responses…. but look at how many on campus stadiums first started where they were pretty much just a field and bleachers. BYU’s Cougar Stadium was like this. It eventually morphed into a 30,000 venue with simple stands on each sideline. That was all built out to what exists today. UC Davis’ stadium is a perfect modern day example of something basic but with the ability to expand. That same long term vision needs to be applied to the Ching Complex that is going to be built on the site of the current field so that its initial limited design can be potentially expanded in the future if the situation arises. I’m not saying something like an on campus stadium will happen… its about at least having that option with a proper design.

    While the Ala Wai idea has been floated, the whole idea of an on campus venue is to build it on land that UH already has in its control. Again, I’m not under any illusion that there are far more roadblocks presented by the demographic in question that normally tends to prevent any large scale projects from getting off the ground here in Hawaii. All this was meant was to answer the original question original asked by sports for fun as to whether it was possible to build something on that site. That answer is yes BUT with a whole bunch of caveats.

    Thanks for the discussion as it was fun.

  58. Souljah November 21, 2011 10:43 am

    Old school dave,

    Graves would really thrive in this offense too!!!

  59. 808bowler November 21, 2011 10:56 am

    Still think this offense needs a drop back passer instead of a scrambler. thats why I like austin. But if coaches say graves the man then I’m backing him. young man has talent and poise. Think next year offense going be awesome. Only thing is now we lose alot on defense.

  60. Kekoa November 21, 2011 10:56 am

    Ok…ok…I have to admit. We members of the Wessai Chaptah of the Royal Order of the Tsaiko’s would much prefer a stadium built out here.

    We do have the space for it, and I envision an Exposition complex that would also include venues for a truly large State Fair grounds within. Venues could offer race cars, both drag and circuit track type. The Exposition could also be utilized year-round for exhibitions and concerts.

    The Kalaeloa airfield/runway has already been extended for large aircraft. This adds another dimension for direct travel for teams and their fans to fly in. With the new shopping complex underway that will rival Ala Moana SC, a hotel will be a central part of that package. Ko Olina and Au’lani add more rooms for travelers.

    Camp grounds for local folks who want to fly in from the neighbor island would be nice. They might catch the UH game or an event, sleep over in the camp grounds inside the Expo center, and then fly home after. Imagine the many activities that would generate revenue for such a center. (Remember the Monster truck events at the stadium?).

    Anyway, just trying to expand our choices beyond the Honolulu metro area, Hawaii Kai, and the Windward side.

    Getting off my soap box now…

  61. mikey November 21, 2011 11:00 am

    Help Kanani Danielson win the prestigious Lowe’s Senior CLASS Award.

    If you’re Wahine VV fan or know of anyone pass this along.

    We can’t have a North Carolina Libero winning rather than an All Around Player with Kills, Digs and Blocks

    Voting ends today

  62. mikey November 21, 2011 11:02 am

    And Congratulation to Kanai Danielson 3rd WAC Player of the Year Award following Kamana’o and Willoughby only other three times award

    Jane Croson should have been WAC Freshman of the Year and on First Team WAC. Every opponent was shaking ‘Don’t serve to me! Please Don’t!’

    We should all go to: Support Wahine VV on December 9th 2011 NCAA VV Tournament

    12/1-4/2011 1st and 2nd Rounds TBA TBA

    12/9-10/2011 NCAA Regional Sweet 16 Stan Sheriff Center TBA

    12/15-17/2011 Final Four San Antonio, Tex. TBA

  63. mikey November 21, 2011 11:09 am

    #8 Shogun Thanks for the Dream Field. I will keep it in my picture file.

    Most of all other college stadiums are on campus and it is for the students.

    Without the students as the #12th Player there is no Fun in it.

  64. Derek November 21, 2011 11:13 am

    To me, the old Honolulu Stadium is still a great location. I don’t think the park is utilized very heavily and in fact I have seen homeless people there. Also, since the Stadium Bowladrome closed down they could take that property to0 to use more space. Parking around the area is bad, but I would submit the following for the parking:

    1) Have a paid parking at the University parking structure and then have shuttle buses to King Street. It’s a short drive.

    2) For people outside of Honollulu, I recommend shuttle buses from such locations at Kam Drive In, Leeward CC, the Windward side, the East side, etc. Personal cars are to be discouraged to keep traffic down. I think a 45 to 50 thousand staduim would handle any current or future usage.

  65. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc November 21, 2011 11:14 am

    The issues around building a new stadium anywhere – including next to/by the existing site similar to how the new Yankee Stadium was built right across the street from the classic ediface – requires being able to think about a wide range of issues – costs for build & maintain, traffic & transportation issues, impacts on the surrounding communities, etc., etc.

    I am waiting to hear back from the Chancellor’s office as to the current status on the Ching Complex. Although the public funding has been allocated, I do not know where the projects are in the planning/design/permitting/construction processes. I expect a report back shortly.

    However, the funding will expire on December 31,2013, if it has not been released so we can assume that the entire project should be completed within three years.

    In discussions with UH-Manoa back-office administrators, I have been told that there is absolutely no way to build a stadium on campus although there could be one constructed in the area between the Ala Wai Canal and the freeway and between Kapalulu through McCully-Moi`ili`ili/Kalakaua Avenue – assuming that the private landowners would be willing to sell the land and the people who live & work in the area would support the project.

    Right now, the big issue which will impact where any new stadium will be built either on the existing site, out in West O`ahu or in the area described above is what will happen to the mass transit system. If it is killed by the courts or through the loss of funding because of delays – HART is revisiting the financial stability of the contracts already issued – then we will need to accept the policial as well as the financial realities including planning for what all UH athletics will be like in 25 years.

    COMPLETE CHANGE OF SUBJECT: DrDoc and I would like a recommendation for dinner this coming Thursday. Normally, we take part in a church Thanksgiving potluck, but it’s not being held this year.

    We can travel anyplace on O`ahu and price is not an issue, but great food and super service are. Any recommendations where to celebrate Thanksgiving this year?

  66. mikey November 21, 2011 11:15 am

    #58 Aburage Shogun

    I didn’t read this until after posting, trying to catch up… but thanks for the Dream Field.

    And Dreams do come True. If we all wish hard enough.

  67. hossana November 21, 2011 11:18 am

    All of you are glowing in your praise of Graves as the coming of a new age at UH football…ha…ha..yeah, rite..what about the supporting cast…..offensive linemen, skilled positions, defensive players who can tackle and not get juke out of their jockstraps which will happen when UH open with USC….I mean, it was just pathetic, to see our linebackers getting whiffed and wuffed by Fresno’s running back…what about next yr. when UH opens with USC… I said, Graves is one thing but, like Moniz, if he doesn’t have a supporting cast that can maintain and sustain itself, then we will be going through another pathetic season….I’m not being negative…just being blunt and candid as to what needs to be done next yr….shoots, you can have an ALL-AMERICAN QB BUT WITH NO QUALITY SUPPORTING CAST…FORGET IT!!! Go Bows!!

  68. Candy November 21, 2011 11:18 am

    Here’s hoping the Tuipulotu”s MRI will not turn up anything significant. We hope for the best.

  69. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc November 21, 2011 11:20 am

    Whoops! need to accept the policial as well as the financial realities = political

  70. mikey November 21, 2011 11:22 am

    I remember in the hay days as students we were the 12th Players. We use to run into the Aloha Stadium and every Orange seats were filled way before game time started.

    AHhhh those were the days…

  71. Derek November 21, 2011 11:30 am

    Urban Meyer is still looking at Ohio St. but no offer yet. He still has concerns with health and family life and he said he loves coaching football but needs to find the balance between coaching and family. What better place than Hawaii? He can be laidback, his daughter can tranfer from Penn St. to Hawaii to play volleyball, etc. And, he wouldn’t have the same stress if it was a BCS school. Yeah, I’m dreaming, but you have to think big.

    I also think Adrian Klemm for Hawaii offensive line coach would be great and Jeff Ulbricht linebackers coach would be good too. The lure to coach at your alma mater counts for something, but I don’t know how much.

    With the season we have had so far, I can’t see any senior player will be drafted. Maybe a couple will get a free agent shot. It will be questionable also if anybody on the team will get All WAC first team recognition.

  72. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:34 am

    Mike Leach + Robert Anae + Mack (DC).

  73. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:34 am

    Football, basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, etc… all team sports.

    Everyone knows the word “team”, I think more people don’t actually understand the concept or the nuances of what a team is and how important chemistry in various forms has an effect.

    I haven’t played a team sport (hockey) in over a decade but from what I remember being an assistant captain in my last seasons, no one individual comes above the team… ANY team.

  74. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:35 am


    that’s a fantasy not a dream. haha. but i agree, gotta at least aim high.

  75. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 11:38 am

    #59 – Souljah: That’s another good offense by TT and Mike Leach. Just got back from a trip to Austin, TX and even the people there said that you wouldn’t want to live in Lubbock – nothing out there, hot, dry, tornadoes, etc. Gotta be a very hardy type to live and go to school up there.

  76. Derek November 21, 2011 11:52 am

    There’s a saying: ” Shoot for the moon, and if you’re a little short at least you’re among the stars.”

  77. d1shima November 21, 2011 11:53 am

    Hal Mumme led McMurry U. (Abilene, TX) to its first ever playoff victory on Saturday with an upset of No.11 Trinity in San Antonio.


  78. A-House November 21, 2011 12:06 pm

    While there are many “seniors” on the D for UH, remember that some substitutes are getting a lot of playing time this year – DL, LB, and DB.

    Hope this will translate to a better working defense next year. Now, for the coaches, what can I say – time management – no more play not to lose – no more “prevent defense” ( has this really worked in 2011?) Did I miss it?

    Ever notice that when a “running play” is called that the receivers do not run their patterns full steam and do not put a block on the DBs? Coaching or player?

  79. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 12:12 pm

    Last week the callers on the radio seemed to be Split on Mack.

    This week….I almost feel sorry for him.

    People want change.

  80. Da Punchbowl Kid November 21, 2011 12:25 pm

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂

    Prayers for Tuipulotu!

  81. Da Punchbowl Kid November 21, 2011 12:33 pm

    d1 –

    Was Mumme the guy who was running the RnS Triple option hybrid offense?

  82. d1shima November 21, 2011 12:36 pm


    He created the Air Raid and taught Leach.

    Also coached Tim Couch into the NFL while at UK

  83. Pomai November 21, 2011 12:36 pm

    Stadiums –

    On campus – never happen

    Ala Wai – never happen

    Ceded Lands – I don’t think so, people complain about driving from north-shore and east-side now add another 30 miles ????

    Best place is where it is now, can be built while still using the old one, traffic pattern is ok,then tear the old one down after the new one is built

    But sad to say by the time they decide what to do it will be a day late ad a dollar short.

  84. d1shima November 21, 2011 12:36 pm

    …was replaced by DeWayne Walker at NaMaSU

  85. Kekoa November 21, 2011 12:54 pm

    Pomai ~ Never say never. Try wait…UH West Oahu will be the home of the future stadium. They will also build the Hawaii Expo Center here to showcase all the other stuff I mentioned.

    Manoa will be turned into a long term care home for Old Soldiers like you, me and a bunch of Boomers. There’s even room for a certain DOE retiree with the KK initials.

  86. Kevin November 21, 2011 12:55 pm


    Best to feel for our student-athletes and the program as a whole.

    Tons of unsung heroes working behind the scenes for UH football and athletics as well. They dont have anything to do with the on field stuff but their job stability depends on the financial viability of the department.

  87. Kevin November 21, 2011 12:58 pm

    This is what happens when ONE sport dictates the fate of others.

    Its not right and its BS but I didnt make the rules.

  88. LizKauai November 21, 2011 1:15 pm

    Aloha Kakahi… oops.

    Good Afternoon!

    God Bless! What happened to the Funaki Ohana???

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  90. dopaco24 November 21, 2011 1:27 pm

    The Ala Wai stadium idea is good. Build a walking bridge over the canal at the Lewers intersection and you link parking at most of the hotels and Fort Derussy. The golf course has more acreage than the current Stadium grounds, which can result in more parking.. Don’t worry about the stream, Lucas Oil Stadium has an urban stream running underneath it.

    You’ve also got Kaimuki High School and Iolani to park at, as well as just parking at the university, KCC, and maybe Ala Moana Shopping Center(with it’s 12,000 spaces) and taking a shuttle. There are tons of parking options near a proposed stadium on the golf course.

    As far as traffic is concerned, it is definitely better than on the UH campus and could be almost as simple as Aloha Stadium. During the times at which most people plan on tailgating, Nimitz/Ala Moana is empty. Most of Date street can be expanded to 4 lanes with an additional lane for street parking for residents. You can have one gate on Kapahulu and on Date and another on the clubhouse driveway. Only three gates, but the gates would have decent access points, especially if the city bought the Prudential Locations building.

    As far as the size and type of the stadium is concerned, I would select a 65,000 seat capacity retractable roof facility. I would prefer the interior design of a Lucas Oil Stadium(LOS) or University of Phoenix Stadium(UOPS). The stadium can expand to 70,000+ for a Super Bowl or maybe even future BCS national championship. The reason for the retractable roof is due to making this arena attractive to big time indoor events.(i.e. NCAA Final Four, UFC, Wrestlemania, and concerts)

    The LOS design is perfect for a large scale basketball game. Also, the entire upper deck can be curtained off, leaving 45,000 open seats for UH football. Hopefully the curtains won’t have to be used as everyone would be curious to see a game in the new facility.

  91. Ipu Man November 21, 2011 1:32 pm

    UH should not “waste” Austin senior qb talents. Turn him into a

    receiver. He is tall and smart. Give him his senior chance to

    contribute to the “team”!


    UH-31 Tulane-14

  92. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 1:39 pm

    Seems to be a “no can” way of thinking permeating throughout this state.

    In the past:

    UH Law School – Why? Get too many lawyers anyway.

    UH Medical School – Never happen. No make me laugh.

    Business School – What for? Just go Chinatown, the guys down there tell you how for run a business.

    Architecture School – Nah, no need.

    Pharmacy School? – Heh?

    New Basketball arena? — just use the HIC. Later, ok we’ll give you money for a 4,000 seat on-campus arena.

    New weight room? Just give the players a membership to the Central Y.

  93. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 1:41 pm



    So much at stake, too much at stake for a single sport.

    Who the hell wrote dem rules eh.

  94. Da Punchbowl Kid November 21, 2011 1:44 pm

    I don’t have proof, but I think you and Kevin did IWWTHM… …there’s just something about you two. 😆

    Of course, I kid.

  95. Kevin November 21, 2011 1:45 pm


    Who wrote the rules? The mainstream sports public made the rules.

    AND… everytime those millionaires beef with billionaires and hold fans by the olos and we cheer them and admire and drool all over them again, we only feed the egos.

    Well, for me I say if they don’t wanna play and get paid more than they should for it then they can go F.Ts.

  96. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 1:49 pm

    Taking away the Ala Wai Gold Course and taxing retirement income: Two places you don’t want to go.

  97. Old School Dave November 21, 2011 1:50 pm

    Ala Wai “Gold” Course – that would be nice. Meant Golf.

  98. Stretch November 21, 2011 1:51 pm

    Prayers for the Funaki family….

    it puts everything back into perspective!

  99. dopaco24 November 21, 2011 1:55 pm

    I also seem to think that the reason the Ala Wai Golf course is the busiest in the world is because it is accessible year-round.

  100. jonj November 21, 2011 1:56 pm

    what needs to be done is talk to the state or whoever about not scheduling big time concerts during UH Football events! I mean they had sublime and other people in town throwing a big concert at kakaako park! where do u think the students went?? Or maybe they should combine the two and have a nice concert that draws people to the stadium especially the young crowd and they can pump the students up for the game.

    Whats also disgusting is at the game a officer came up to me, told me to sit down and stop cheering so loud or he would arrest me?!?!?!?! I told him go ahead and arrest me for being too good of a fan! and then i went on cheering louder… he never arrested me and the fans told him to go away!

  101. A-joe November 21, 2011 1:56 pm


    Ultimately, building a stadium at the Ala Wai serves no convenient purpose other than, “It can be built there.” Additional influx of human and automotive traffic would tax basic infrastructure already clogged with urban congestion.

    However, your ideas for a new stadium can and should be applicable at Aloha Stadium’s current site.

  102. jonj November 21, 2011 2:03 pm

    Also was sitting next to a few older guys maybe 40-50’s and asked them why they not cheering. They said “cuz they no have to” and that “they were here in the 0-19 days” so they did there time for cheering. Even more disgusting!

  103. Da Punchbowl Kid November 21, 2011 2:05 pm

    IWWTHM and Kevin –

    Someone posted this the other day, does this change things in the big picture? Or is it more smoke and mirrors? What do you think of this Garret?

    Thanks to the other poster who put this link up, I forgot who it was.

  104. Da Punchbowl Kid November 21, 2011 2:08 pm

    Agree with your #102, Hawaiian. The current site is best for many reasons. Need some big thinking to do the right things of course.

    I wish Don Weir all the luck in the world applying for a spot on the Stadium Authority.

  105. Kevin November 21, 2011 2:10 pm

    Honestly the Point Panic Festival had NOTHING to do with the attendance for students at the FSU game.

    I wrote yesterday that during the concert I saw a spattering of a few UH student-athletes there from various sports and who knows how many of the crowd of about 4,000 consisted of UH Manoa or UH system students as well.

    There was NO concert during the USU home game.

  106. Derek November 21, 2011 2:10 pm

    Wahine up to #3. I hope that the Wahine will run the table and win the WAC tournament and have a high seeding to host the 1st and 2nd rounds, as well as a the regionals at home. That would be nice and the crowds should be very good too. Here’s wishing Shoji and the Wahine good luck in their quest. I would hold my breath because the NCAA committee is always giving us the shaft.

    I agree with Shoji. Jan Croson should have been 1st team all WAC. She does everything well. I hope Croson has a chip on her shoulders all the way to the NCAA final game. And that’s not a bad thing indeed.

  107. Kevin November 21, 2011 2:12 pm


    I probably might be more relaxed about things, IF this were to happen thus making the point of AQ almost meaningless.

    On the surface it would make all this conference shifting look stupid in the end… but again IF this scenario were to actually happen.

  108. anklebiters November 21, 2011 2:18 pm

    Multiple reports indicated this afternoon that Arizona is set to hire former Michigan and West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez as its next football coach.

    Dennis Erickson is on the hot seat at ASU also….losing to your arch rival 3 out of 4 years doesn’t help…

  109. Buffoman November 21, 2011 2:20 pm

    #103 at least they paid for their seats. It may have been a lot more quiet of there was no one there, no cheering. And that seems to be be a growing concern. No one, not even cheering.

    People have argued that the present coach is a great guy, loves the players, is a player’s coach and on and on. That’s terrific, but in the world of finance and marketing, being liked has almost nothing to do with the bottom line. And that’s the rub. Whether people have lost faith or never had faith or an interest in football or the coach is somewhat irrelevant. The current product, and it is a product, does not put money in the bank. It’s business and it is ugly and hard but decisions have to be made accordingly. There are extenuating circumstances such as graduation rate and the like but the bottom line is, can the guy at the helm create a product that the general public would like enough to pay on a consistent basis to see.

    At this point, sadly, it is not happening and a business decision has to be made. BTW, the unfortunate fact here is that there is the matter of a contract that looms over the decision making process.i

  110. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 2:20 pm


    Probably makes it worse for the “little guys.” Once the Sugar or Fiesta gets into a contract, it’ll be with the Big Boys.

    There will be very little to no chance that a non-BCS school will get a big time bowl invite.

    This is precisely what the BCS schools want anyway, hence it is gathering momentum.

    UNLESS, they decide on the model that just takes the top 12 teams or whatever. But I doubt they go in that direction.

  111. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 2:23 pm


    Good. Leave Mike Leach alone. He needs to be at least on our short/medium-list come the end of this season.

    Not everyone likes him, but an interview wouldn’t hurt.

  112. LizKauai November 21, 2011 2:40 pm

    I think the support for the team or lack thereof just reflects the times in which we live…

    When Colt went to the Skins I found myself in blog/messageboard hell. It was the norm to throw everyone under the bus and people came out against Colt before he even got a chance to show his stuff!

    It was tough to keep posting with a positive attitude and sense of humor… but it did result in making friends with several wonderful Skins fans, writers and artists.

    And sure enough… the Redskins are still having a struggle to achieve unity even with mega bucks in that blame and hate, look for a target to be united against mentality that permeates the east coast.

    On the other hand… following the Packers is a whole different experience. The small town ownership if the team, the devoted fans, the way they take care of their players… there is a lot of aloha and lokahi there… and they are thriving.

    I can see the Warriors thriving in a Packers-like environment and struggling in a Redskins-like environment.

    AND, I love where I sit… the fans in my section cheer with the cheerleaders, make noise when we are on defense, stay to the end… and even the ones with earphones on can yell too and don’t tell us to be quiet.


  113. Duh! November 21, 2011 2:45 pm

    Unless Mike Leach is willing to do the job for $500,000 a year, it’s a waste of everyone’s time to interview him. One phone call by JD to Leach’s agent can settle it.

  114. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 2:50 pm


    Well stated.

    And, of course, the last time Mike Leach was hired, his first hire was …

    Circle of life.

  115. Warriorfan4ever November 21, 2011 2:56 pm

    Did I miss something? What happened with Inoke and his wife?

  116. Kevin November 21, 2011 3:00 pm

    So apparently while me and my friends were smiling, groovin, and having a blast at the concert, some people on the sidelines were calling to spike the ball on 4th down????????????????????????????

  117. jonj November 21, 2011 3:19 pm

    #110 Do you really think its the coaches job to put people in the seats?? I would think thats the job of the marketing department. I mean the only thing that i can think the coach can do to put people in the seats is win. Or am i missing something here?? just people dont like the coach that much, even tho hes a likable guy, that they wont buy tickets?? Personally i dont think thats the problem! It seems to me students have other things going on (concerts, tailgating parties) that they dont wanna come on down. but as for the other people, IDK???

    Also if they dont sell half the tickets why dont they block the top off and make everyone sit in the lower sections??

  118. Buffoman November 21, 2011 3:27 pm

    Snce the number $500k has been tossed out, you can eliminate any so called, “name” of a coach. They won’t bite on paradise, especially when $500k does not go far for simple things like, gas, milk, eggs and a mortgage.

    So who may be interested is an older person who stumbled and is looking for redemption as a stepping stone to the platform he once stood upon. Or, it may be that fella from a D II or DIII or Jr college who wants to give the “bigs” a shot and is willing to do it for a song…for a short time, at least.

    My preference, get the guy who wants to make his mark. That guy will bring a different energy to the house…like coach Gib.

    The person may not have the gaudy resume, but if he is organized, is passionate about his plan and has the followers ready to come along, why not? At $500k, in Hawaii, what can one expect? It’s tough to recruit, no one wants the team in their conference, there are empty seats aplenty in the stadium, no one wants to do a home-and-home, best local kids leave, hey, maybe the energy is the intangible the program needs.

  119. Stretch November 21, 2011 3:31 pm

    With Mike Leach’s name coming up, it reminded me of this video. Even Hitler knows football!! (especially the 3:00 mark)

  120. Buffoman November 21, 2011 3:31 pm

    #118 It is his job to create a product that people will want to buy, yes. If it is not a saleable product, the marketing people have nothing to sell. If it was not his job to create such a product, why does a school like LSU, or Bama pay so much for people like their coaches? I’m sure they’re nice guys, but they create a product that fills the stadiums, creates booster support and puts money in the bank. I admit that those are extreme examples but yes, the coaches have to create winning saleable products.

  121. d1shima November 21, 2011 3:42 pm

    Defense wins championships.

    Offense sells tickets.

    It seems there is a common thread to much of the discussion about correcting lagging attendance.

  122. Kevin November 21, 2011 3:43 pm

    It’s not the primary job of ANY head coach to put okoles in seats, but it’s a “part” of the gig, especially for revenue programs. Why else do attendance bonuses exist on contracts?

    Attendance and revenue from ticket sales are a reflection on the on-field product.

    So yes, putting okoles in seats is a PART of the job.

    As far as marketing goes:

    When teams win on a consistent basis or even one BIG marquee win, marketing almost has to do nothing. SERIOUSLY. In that case, marketing supplements the surge in attendance brought on by the team’s performance that falls under the responsibility of… the HEAD COACH.

    In hard times marketing MUST pull out all the punches to find a GIMMICK to get people to come… this is where salaries are earned in that department.

    I mean Marlboro and Kool may have marketing departments per se, but seriously… do they need them?

  123. kev-1 November 21, 2011 3:45 pm

    Maybe the stadium should provide a responsible nanny service so guys like me can drop off my kids and come to the game. Guarantee with me comes at least 4 or 5 chicks 😉 Plus we’ll buy a lot of beer too.

  124. Kevin November 21, 2011 3:49 pm

    Aloha Stadium needs TITTA SERVICE.

    Nothing shuts up a drunk moke bettah den one TITTA!!!!

  125. d1shima November 21, 2011 3:53 pm

    Eh, dis guy already get Da Shaka down!

  126. Buffoman November 21, 2011 3:54 pm

    Kevin I missed that point regarding incentives in contracts having to do with wins, attendance, etc.. good point.

    I agree with the Titta service but am worried that if the drunk person is with another Titta, well, Afganistan would look like a playground skirmish.

  127. d1shima November 21, 2011 4:06 pm

    How long does it take to install a new system?

    How does three days sound?

  128. d1shima November 21, 2011 4:08 pm

    Is Giselle Bundchen starting to look old, too?

  129. al November 21, 2011 4:08 pm

    my heartfelt sympathies and prayer for the funaki’s.

  130. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 4:13 pm

    So you guys believe that our next coach is going to be capped at $500,000?

    Set in stone? Wanna make a bet and put your house on it?

    Didn’t think so.

    The right coach and the right price. It may be $750,000+incentives. It may be $500,000. Where there is a will, there is a way.

    We have a shot at Mike Leach so long no other school is going to offer him $1M+. Arizona apparently saying no, UNM said no, Ole Miss and Tulane are possibles at this time.

    Hawaii has a shot at him and it only costs us the ink that we use to get him on a list of potentials.

  131. Bryon Tonne November 21, 2011 4:14 pm

    I am still learning about ZUmba but so far I love what I see!

  132. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 4:17 pm


    $500,000 is just a number. Everything is subject to change. It may be what we are hoping to spend. But if a quality coach is available that isn’t going to cost us an arm and a leg, Hawaii will pay.

  133. Buffoman November 21, 2011 4:18 pm

    Did someone indicate that it was going to be $500K? I simply used it as it was tossed out. I don’t think anyone is setting that figure in stone, not unless you’re up on the Hill making the decision. People here simply speculate.

    #131, to be honest, even if I was the decision maker and had that $500k in mind, I wouldn’t bet my house on it being the final number. Negotiations are fluid and it would be a crazy bet.

  134. Buffoman November 21, 2011 4:19 pm


    I think you and I have an agreement. Good point.

  135. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 4:21 pm


    in total agreement. i am willing however to go out and bet that we won’t pay $2M or $3M even if it was Urban Meyer or Tony Dungy. Lol.

  136. Derek November 21, 2011 4:21 pm

    If you look at the Patriots-chiefs game, you could feel that the game is fixed. New England shows no urgency, they are not blocking and Brady making bad throws. It’s really obvious. Conversely, Kansas City is playing hard. Don’t believe me. Watch the game yourself.

  137. d1shima November 21, 2011 4:30 pm

    Pats TD….while lying down.

  138. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 4:36 pm

    Attendance is a factor if a case is being built against a coach.

    If I were a marketing director and I wanted to help the coaching staff, this is what I would do:

    • Encourage the head guy to start a scholarship fund of, say, $200,000. It would help needy students facing tuition hikes (and, yes, he’d get a tax writeoff).

    • Or get into the book business. Buy a bunch of textbooks, then loan them to deserving students each semester. At the end of the term, the books are returned, and you loan them to the next group. It’s the gift that keeps on giving, it helps students, and it promotes goodwill.

    • For this week’s game, the first five students who can throw a football through a cardboard cutout get tuition waivers. No real money is exchanged, so the school doesn’t take a financial hit.

    • Have a Thanksgiving dinner on campus. Free meals, while food lasts, for any registered student.

    • Black Friday midnight sale at the RainBowTiques. With each sale over $50 comes two football tickets to the Tulane game.

    • Team is in a slump. Nobody wants to hear about goals or injuries. So change it up, have Graves or Meatoga be the guests on the weekly radio show. It would be a break from the usual questions.

    • Two words: Jaegermeister stand.

  139. Stretch November 21, 2011 4:42 pm

    Derek – you not saying that football games can be fixed, right?? Even if a player gets money out of it, how can they face the other players on the team that are playing their hearts out and you are sabotaging their efforts??

  140. Kevin November 21, 2011 4:48 pm

    At age 19, me and some people got a gold of a few bottles of Jaegermeister for one reason and one reason only. We watched the “Behind The Music: Metallica” episode and they talked about how Jaegermeister got them really violent. They claimed that it makes people violent.

    So… we thought it would be interesting to see for ourselves.

    Three of us polished off two bottles and nothing………. Other than a nice warm feeling and the taste of NYQUIL stuck in our mouth… NOTHING…

    All hype.

    And yeah, I drank while under 21. Sue me or call the cops why don’t ya??? HA! 😆

  141. d1shima November 21, 2011 4:49 pm

    I seen it!

    Pats jogged in and got the pik then lollygagged their way to a FG before halftime.


  142. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 4:51 pm

    All I know is I saw Mrs. Bulla have a few Jaegermeisters, and the next thing I know she’s on a chair singing: “These boots are made for walking …”

  143. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 4:55 pm

    Anyway, money is a big issue on the Upper Campus. Students aren’t happy about another tuition hike. Yes, yes, I know it’s low in comparison to Mainland schools. But this is an island, and UH is the only state university. We all know from Occupy Wall Street how difficult student-loan repayments are for many. A well-educated society is a better society. It’s not wise to make education affordable to only some.

  144. Kevin November 21, 2011 4:57 pm

    Me thinks UH football would be better off considering some of the budgetary constraints and hula hoops with state of Hawaii protocol if we seek out and STEAL some WAC coaches that have shown promise.

  145. Lori November 21, 2011 5:01 pm

    Wait, what happened with Inoke Funaki and his wife?

  146. d1shima November 21, 2011 5:11 pm

    Just speculating but there isn’t too much that would draw sympathy for a young, recently married couple.

    Deepest sympathy.

  147. d1shima November 21, 2011 5:13 pm

    I seen it!

    Pats’ Gronkowski hopped and skipped his way to a TD to cap a 3rd quarter opening drive like he didn’t have a care in the world….

  148. d1shima November 21, 2011 5:30 pm

    That’s it! Cannot watch anymoa…

    Freakin’ New England just mailing it in!

    Disgraceful! Need to investigate…

  149. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 5:35 pm

    Gee, hope its not what I think it is regarding Funaki family.

    Whatever it is, my sympathies and prayers. =(

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  151. madeinhawaii November 21, 2011 5:38 pm

    Yikes! What happened to Funaki and Family? I hope it’s something that our prayers and thoughts can help fix.

  152. wafan November 21, 2011 5:53 pm

    Good evening, Warriors!

  153. wafan November 21, 2011 5:54 pm

    Sounds ominous.

    Prayers and positive thoughts for the Funaki’s.

  154. wafan November 21, 2011 5:55 pm

    Kind of puts football problems and expectations in a different light.

  155. WarriorNY November 21, 2011 5:55 pm


    Someone fill us in on Inoke’s situation.

  156. d1shima November 21, 2011 5:57 pm


    Follow the Blog Host’s lead and just wish them the best.

    No way is it something that going affect the next two games.

  157. Annoddah Dave November 21, 2011 6:11 pm

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:

    Need a site for a stadium? Think Fort Shafter, with the government in dire straits, they could move the headquarters for the Army into the Hickam/Pearl Harbor complex with no trouble. The lands do not belong to the Army, it belongs to Hawaii by permission. If the Army no longer needs it, it goes back to Hawaii. Only problem with having the Army at Hickam/Pearl is that the soldiers, sailors, and airmen will really have it out!!!LOL Also I believe that Shafter is a former ahupua’a and goes from Nimitz all the way to the ridgeline. Besides, there are too many “historic” buildings on Shafter that cost so much to up keep. Shafter is named for a general who never even served here!

  158. Annoddah Dave November 21, 2011 6:15 pm

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs:

    Forgot to mention that the “historic” fountain blown up in the movie is still there. It was made by Italian POWs! Is that historic??? The Army is so steeped in tradition that it saves stuff that really from an outsiders point of view does not make sense. It is like the general’s quarters…the square footage is way more that a general officer is authorized, so they keep maintaining it so the officers have a “big house” to move into.

  159. RedZone November 21, 2011 6:16 pm

    I don’t think that you can knock down those historic buildings.

  160. Annoddah Dave November 21, 2011 6:19 pm

    Redzone: You don’t have to, just get the termites to let go their hands and the demolition will happen. Trust me, there are plenty over there.

  161. Wes'side Warrior November 21, 2011 6:26 pm

    #139… Great ideas once again, ST!

    Prayers to Inoke Funaki & ‘ohana.

  162. Slugger November 21, 2011 6:42 pm

    Prayers and deepest sympathies to Inoke Funaki and his wife.

  163. papajoe2 November 21, 2011 6:43 pm

    Who remembers when you bought season tickets, you’d actually get 1 free for the price? I don’t know how much season tickets are now days but I do know that if we have 7 home games, you pay for 7 tickets. Also add a premium price to the season tickets. Bringing your spouse or girlfriend or family = big bucks. Someone on yesterday’s blog said they pay $1500 for 3 tickets and parking. Add $9 a beer and over priced food. Students are not dumb. They are in college and probably don’t have the money to buy food and beer at the stadium. I remember a friend of mine said they would tape a fishing line to a quarter to get it back for the laundry machines.

    The UH student section was at midfield and the band was also close by. Not any more. You think by doing something like that to the students that they don feel it?

  164. LizKauai (macbook) November 21, 2011 7:09 pm

    Blessings and heavenly consolation to the Funaki ohana.

  165. Curt November 21, 2011 7:13 pm

    Our very best to the Funaki ohana.

  166. chawan_cut November 21, 2011 7:16 pm

    here’s this week’s updated opponent’s schedules

  167. Derek November 21, 2011 7:28 pm

    College tuition is out of control. This is why students are protesting and rightfully so. The 99% of the people are being screwed by the 1%. Sooner than later, things are going to happen in a big way in this country. The Wall Street occupation by the protesters is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Heck when I was going to UH, back in 1965 the semester tuition was $116.25. We were so poor, but we managed to get an education and we graduated in 4 years. One of our food staples was Kim Chee sandwich which we bought at Star Supermarket on King and Beretania. It was ono!!!We were so poor we couldn’t fly back to Maui regularly to see our families. And, we stayed at Atherson YMCA. Those were the days! We walked to Honolulu Stadium to support the UH football team. We had no cars! Nowadays, it’s tough. I feel for the young people. They must be wondering what the future will be like for them and their families. Buying a home is difficult. Everything is so expensive, it’s hard to fathom how people can make a go on the kind of salary and pay that most people make these days.

    When you think about it, football and UH football in particular is not important compared to the game of life. At our age, we are getting health issues and going to other people’s funerals. We were so young and care free in those days and thinking about making love and getting a nice car. Today, we are content to being alive and watch pay per view!!!! Ha,ha!

  168. Da Punchbowl Kid November 21, 2011 7:36 pm

    Prayers for the Funaki ‘Ohana.

  169. d1shima November 21, 2011 7:38 pm

    How come you never get one student loan?

    Let me help….”cause nevah have!

    Costs go up, in part, because the proliferation of federal loans money has been fueling an upward spiral of tuition and more loans.

    …now they like “forgive” the loans!

    What you think that going do to tuition?

  170. Old Diver November 21, 2011 7:54 pm

    Actually the federal loans has been spiraling up because tuition has been going up not the other way around. Because middle class income has been stagnant for thiry years people have had to borrow just to keep up with rising prices. The hen has finally come home to roost and the middle class is maxed out on their credit. No more money to spend means a stagnant economy which means no jobs for graduating college grads.

  171. postmanke November 21, 2011 7:58 pm

    I think Kim Chee sandwiches should find their way onto the training table

  172. d1shima November 21, 2011 8:08 pm





  173. Old Diver November 21, 2011 8:10 pm

    I’ve seen a lot of big name coaches mentioned to replace Mack if he is fired. None of them would even consider coming here unless they come with considerable baggage. Here’s why.

    1. Those coaches operate in environments which are swimming in dough.

    2. Most of their recruits can drive to their campus or get on an airplane for a cheap fare.

    3. Their boosters have deep pockets and can supplement the players with under the table benefits.

    4. NCAA minimum admission requirements.

    5. Ability to create special degrees for the athletes.

    6. Ability to create special classes to boost their GPA’s

    The ideal candidate would have a track record of doing more with less. In general the names mentioned are used to doing less with more, which is why they are no longer employed.

  174. d1shima November 21, 2011 8:28 pm

    …did I mention that McMurry is a DIII school?

  175. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 8:32 pm

    Leach always did more with less.

  176. Bowwar November 21, 2011 8:32 pm

    Good point Old Diver…You can’t get something for nothing…

    People keep mentioning Leach, but do people realize that Mack worked with Leach at Texas Tech?? I don’t think Leach is a solution and I’m pretty sure he won’t be impressed with the reception that Mack has received here.

  177. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 8:37 pm

    Why don’t you think Leach is the solution and how would Mack’s reception here be any different from any school in the nation with a coaching problem?

    How many schools out there have fans who keep smiling and pour sunshine on their coaches when they arent doing a good job?

    Leach could offer Mack the DC job if he wanted.

  178. Slugger November 21, 2011 8:38 pm

    Go Hoyas!

  179. Kevin November 21, 2011 8:44 pm


    November 21st, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Leach always did more with less.

    Leech thrived in a BCS conference and all their millions…

    Poor Mike Leech. HOW DID HE MANAGE TO DO IT??????? (sarcasm)

  180. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 8:46 pm


    It’s relative, he did more with less in a conference with the big 3, period.

  181. el burro sabio November 21, 2011 8:46 pm


    Please let us in on the joke.

  182. postmanke November 21, 2011 8:47 pm

    Hard to imagine Leach “swinging his sword” in Manoa but man that would be nice!

  183. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 8:48 pm


    Take a look in the mirror. Haha jus kidding.

    To what are you referring to?

  184. postmanke November 21, 2011 8:55 pm

    Mike Leach + season tickets is like Kim Chee on hot rice!

  185. madeinhawaii November 21, 2011 8:59 pm

    Lemme see… back in the early 70’s UH tuition was less than 12% of what I made in one month working full-time at a gas station. In the mid-70’s it was less than 7% of what I made in a month working as a night auditor at the Waikiki Beachcomber Hotel. I could pay off my tuition with one jackpot win at Kalakaua or Aiea Bowl, which I did regularly. Today I bet it is a lot more than that for the average student working full-time anywhere.

  186. madeinhawaii November 21, 2011 8:59 pm

    Are they getting more for their dollar?

  187. el burro sabio November 21, 2011 9:05 pm


    Hey no make fun of my long furry ears and big teeth 😉

    It seems like you’re trying to make a point and you’re not really serious about Leach. It would be nice to get someone like him but I don’t think UH is willing to pay decent money. The people above JD don’t get it.

  188. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 9:07 pm

    Would Akey be a good fit here?

  189. Old Diver November 21, 2011 9:09 pm

    Part of doing more with less has to do with the level of athlete you can attract. In his hay day Leach’s teams were stacked with talent. For the reasons I listed Leach would not be able to attract that level of athlete.

  190. Old Diver November 21, 2011 9:13 pm

    Sometimes hiring someone who has a track record of doing more with less doesn’t pan out either. Dan Hawkins comes to mind. Interesting to hear everyone’s input on this matter.

  191. el burro sabio November 21, 2011 9:14 pm

    I’d rather see the team win and not talk about new coaches

  192. cocobean November 21, 2011 9:14 pm

    Leach and a new stadium. I can add those items to my wish list I’m sending to Santa this year. Just kidding IWWTHM. I couldn’t resist. Was helping my 4 yr old grand neph make out his list.

    To Santa Claus

    North Pole 00000

  193. Kekoa November 21, 2011 9:23 pm

    Annoddah Dave ~

    Foggitabboutit! Ft Shafter has a huge multi-million dollar building project already planned and funded.

    There are several other classified reasons that access is restricted to the post.

    Besides…jm2375 is actually code for her husband’s role in all of this. Shhhhh…

  194. postmanke November 21, 2011 9:25 pm

    the level of coaching can make up the level of athlete. I’m sure Leach can attract athletes but i would think he would be better suited at Ole Miss or Tulane rather than recruiting the west coast.

    but whatever we do we better make sure we keep JD around and get him extended beyond 2013. “something” tells me thats not a sure thing

  195. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 9:26 pm


    Nah, just listing out some of the candidates that are jobless and in my mind are “interesting”.

    Leach is just so entertaining. Not a good reason to hire a coach, but a good reason to like one imo.

    I am very curious about what Akey could do given better resources than what he currently has at Idaho.

  196. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 9:28 pm


    I’m thinking the same thing. Leach in the south, closer to Texas may be a better fit for his own recruiting purposes.

    Then again, everyone though Rich Rod would be back East and not West.

    Who knows eh? =)

  197. jm2375 November 21, 2011 9:39 pm

    Kekoa – #194 – yeah, whateva… 😆

  198. cocobean November 21, 2011 9:44 pm

    Money or lack there of is our biggest problem. I’m not sure who’s responsiblity it is to sell UH athletics but it’s time to start playing hardball,

    I’d start with the Regents. I’d like to know who purchases season tickets and to what sports. Do they finacially support athletics with their own money like they expect your average fan to.

    Same for the administration.

    If the students have a mandatory fee the faculty should have one too, with the same “privileges”.

    The marketing dept. should have a sales quota for each sport. I don’t care how they meet that quota. A suggestion is they go door to door calling on businesses pushing season tickets.

    If that’s not their cup of tea. Then they get professionals on a commission basis. Pros like the Jehovah Witnesses or the Girl Scouts. “I like to talk to you about salvation and UH baseball season tickets.” “Sir, would you like to buy some cookies and tickets to the BYU game. It’s for a good cause.”

  199. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 9:46 pm


    Your last paragraph is awesome! hahaha

  200. kev-1 November 21, 2011 9:48 pm

    I just can’t see UH buying out Mack. Sounds like everyone is just working on christmas lists anyway.

    Mine? Two more wins and a showdown with JJ in the Hawaii Bowl. That’s all.

    All I want for Christmas

    is my two victories,

    my two victories,

    see my two victories.

    Gee, if I could only

    have my two victories,

    then I could wish you

    Merry Christmas at Aloha Stadium.

  201. Stretch November 21, 2011 9:57 pm

    UH doesn’t need a million to “buyout” Mack. They already have the million since it was part of his contract. They will need to come up with new money to pay the next coach. I would anticipate it will be less than what Mack makes so would be less than a million.

  202. cocobean November 21, 2011 10:00 pm

    #196. I do think Leach is the perfect guy for our situation. He’s a name who would as they say energize the fan base. Each new season brings new hope. He’s a name people would buy into with the hope of leading us forward. Unfortunately for Mack people aren’t going to buy what he’s selling for next year.

    Getting Leach would be next to impossible. But keeping him if he’s successful would be even harder.

  203. kev-1 November 21, 2011 10:07 pm

    And if anyone wants to whine about an injury, the proposed new coach would just lock that sucker in a closet. Better tell the maintenance crew at Lower Campus to clear some space. Might need to move some of the mowing equipment.

  204. kev-1 November 21, 2011 10:10 pm

    Oh, wait! This is really out of the blue, but I’m curious. Can anyone tell me why our mascot uses those push-up thingies when he does push ups in the endzone? What are those called? The Perfect Push-up? What the heck is he doing with those?

    Forget the new coach, how a bout a new mascot?

  205. kev-1 November 21, 2011 10:11 pm

    about . . . oops

  206. cocobean November 21, 2011 10:14 pm

    #201. That’s what I want two.

    Been to every Hawaii Bowl because I bought into “story” that supporting the HB is supporting the Warriors.

  207. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:16 pm

    Dan Hawkins’ success at Boise State was directly attributed to Chris Petersen, who is a workaholic. That was evident when he went solo at Colorado.

    And, no, Mike Leach would never come to UH. But I’m glad that gives IWWTHM something to do all day.

    If there ever were an opening, I’ve got a much better candidate in mind.

  208. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:18 pm

    I suspect the Warrior uses those devices because he’s a middle-aged man.

    Sort of like how Jackie Chan gets a little green-screen help every now and then.

  209. kev-1 November 21, 2011 10:21 pm

    Doesn’t it make a push up harder?

  210. kev-1 November 21, 2011 10:22 pm

    Just looks a little ridiculous seeing a “Warrior” yelling into the camera while pointing a Perfect Push-up at you.

  211. kev-1 November 21, 2011 10:22 pm

    okay, pau. I’m griping already.

  212. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:25 pm

    Or maybe he doesn’t want to touch the turf.

    Because the stadium field no longer has a crown, it’s one big petri dish.

  213. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:26 pm

    The Kibbie Dome changed its turf, but it still caused a lot of cuts. All of the players have open sores on their knees. I asked about the cause. They said: Idaho’s field.

  214. WarriorMojo November 21, 2011 10:27 pm

    kev-1, he’s not our mascot. He’s just a paid entertainer. As the kids say (when they show up), it’s all about the Benjamins with him.

  215. WarriorMojo November 21, 2011 10:28 pm

    Aw, come ON, ST. Name names.

  216. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:31 pm

    One of the requirements of being a head coach is administrative skills.

    This is where having a Hawaii tie or hiring people with Hawaii ties is important.

    Ever been to an OIA meeting? I used to go all of the time. You’ve got to woo each coach. It’s about building relationships.

    This is evident with the governor, who’s a great legislator — he’ll argue forever on a topic — but a so-so administrator, because now he has to hire about 700 people, work day-to-day projects, keep the budget afloat, etc.

    So, basically, the two most important things needed in a coach: 1) Football knowledge. 2) Organizational skills.

  217. LizKauai (macbook) November 21, 2011 10:32 pm

    GROSS!!! eeeeuuuu!

  218. WarriorMojo November 21, 2011 10:33 pm

    Aw, come ON, ST. Name names.

  219. LizKauai (macbook) November 21, 2011 10:33 pm

    That was in reference to the #213 petri dish

  220. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:33 pm


    If there were an opening, and there isn’t, I couldn’t name you a great candidate.

    Hint: Don’t go scanning the list of unemployed coaches.

  221. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:37 pm


    Aloha Stadium turf is great now, because it’s new.

    But the past FieldTurf wasn’t good at the end. The blades had worn down, making the turf rougher, and because there was no crown, the water settled instead of running off.

    Jeremiah Cockheran was one of the first Warriors to wear Under Armour long-sleeved shirts. I thought it was to keep cool. Nope, it was to protect against rug burns. (Although it did keep him cool, too.)

  222. cocobean November 21, 2011 10:39 pm

    JD’s dilemma. Can we afford to buy him out. Can we afford not to. Like in real estate college football is all about attendance, attendance, attendance.

  223. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc November 21, 2011 10:42 pm

    What happened to Inoke Funaki and his `ohana? Meanwhile, say aloha to Mariah Danforth-Moore, an HPU student, killed by a hit & run driver last night. I met her earlier this semester at a school event.

    Still waiting for a recommend – DrDoc and I would like a recommendation for dinner this coming Thursday. Normally, we take part in a church Thanksgiving potluck, but it’s not being held this year.

    We can travel anyplace on O`ahu and price is not an issue, but great food and super service are. Any recommendations where to celebrate Thanksgiving this year?

  224. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:46 pm

    One other thing:

    Suppose UH wants to hire a coach for the marble team. To appease the sponsors and Upper campus, etc., you’ll find bankers and administrative assistants on committees. I really think that you should only have former marble players, coaches and, maybe, marble referees, on the committee.

    I remember when there was a search for an assistant media relations director. I thought maybe a former reporter or editor should have been on the committee.

  225. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 10:59 pm

    Changing coaches will cost money no matter what because the current coach’s salary is guaranteed for next year. So bringing in a coach will add to payroll (and it could go up further if assistants are brought in because of the overlap with the current staff).

    So, let’s say it cost $800,000 to bring in a new coach and a couple of assistants.

    Now Upper Campus can justify it if it believes UH would lose, say, $1 million in non-renewals of season tickets. NOw UH still would be out the additional $800,000, but it could argue that’s better than being out $1 million. Of course, how would you know who would or wouldn’t renew until after the renewal period is over? (Maybe a decision should be made after the season-ticket-renewal period.)

    I think the best scenario for UH is to hope the football team wins its next three games, and do it in an exciting way. Options could be decided after the bowl, but at least there would be excitement about next year’s team. The worst scenario is the team loses to Tulane.

  226. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:00 pm

    Get many great candidates on the current list of unemployed coaches.

    There are also great coordinators waiting to step up.

    Sadly, I don’t see the very next HC coming from within. Well, except the interim.

  227. kev-1 November 21, 2011 11:01 pm

    If UH were hiring a marbles coach, I guess I would be out of the running, considering I lost my marbles years ago.

  228. madeinhawaii November 21, 2011 11:02 pm

    Next season, Mack will have a great one … even though we will be in the MWC, but it may be too late to salvage an extension… 2013, might even be better with a slew of senior receivers, RBs, a couple of talented senior QBs .. and excellent depth everywhere else … and no Boise.

  229. madeinhawaii November 21, 2011 11:04 pm


    You didn’t lose em… when you were dating, you girlfriend, at the time, saw them.. thought they were worthless and gave em away… Das why all the young ones around you are smarter than you… ..

    Oh wait.. das my excuse…

  230. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 11:07 pm


    Joe Paterno … Bobby Bowden … Vince Dooley …

  231. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:07 pm


    What makes you think Leach would never come to Hawaii?

  232. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:08 pm

    You forgot Tressel and Willingham. =)

  233. Ralph November 21, 2011 11:10 pm

    wWe definitely can not afford to lose the last game of the season, whether it be BYU or the Sheraton Bowl. Disgruntled fans stewing over the spring and summer will less likely renew FB season tickets. We can not again lose in a blow out fashion on national TV, so we got to beat BYU to keep the season ticket holders from abandoning the team.

  234. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 11:11 pm


    Because I’ve talked to him and UH administrators before.

  235. al November 21, 2011 11:13 pm

    leach likes the limelight.

    he is still heavily involved with his lawsuit.

    we could not pay him enough.

    he is looking to bounce back at a high profile job so he can say to tt, “i told you”

    if he was such a great coach he’d been hired a long time ago.

    his ego might be bigger than the eight major islands of hawaii.

  236. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:13 pm

    Oh interesting. Does he not care for Hawaii as a program or as a place to live?

    Some people just don’t care to live out in the middle of the ocean.

    Or maybe he doesn’t like the food.

  237. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:14 pm


    I think the lawsuit thing might be more the reason of why he wasn’t hired a long time ago.

    Totally forgot about that.

  238. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 11:17 pm


    I do let you go on because everyone tells me you’re relatively young and not to curb your enthusiasm, and I try to be a polite host, but, no, Mike Leach is not coming here.

  239. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:20 pm


    Thank you, your Grace. 😉

  240. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:21 pm

    Well while I cry in my pureed bananas that Leach is coming here, I guess I will just have to settle on someone else.

    Main thing its someone else. =)

  241. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:23 pm

    For UH football head coach I’d like to see these candidates:


    -Optimus Prime


    -Tony Stark… well, better off as UH President maybe.

  242. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:25 pm


    UH admin and higher ups have another option to execute a plan of action over the next week and a half to show a “sign of faith” to season ticket holders………………………..

    Not for me though. I like my seats and I FINALLY have seven in a row instead of being split up so I’m renewing either way.

  243. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:26 pm

    I 2nd Optimus Prime. But I’d also add Gandalf.

  244. madeinhawaii November 21, 2011 11:26 pm


    Why don’t we just hire the entire Avengers …

    Hulk for conditioning… Iron Man for under armor protection… Wonder Woman for erm.. ah.. um.. motivation…

  245. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:29 pm


    November 21st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Would Akey be a good fit here?

    Rob Akey gonna ask to spike the ball on 4th down? If the answer is NO then he’s already a step ahead.

  246. al November 21, 2011 11:29 pm

    is season ticket renewal a true barometer measure of what fan support would be like next year?

    wouldn’t recent turnstile numbers be a better indicator of what another year would portend?

    aren’t the core of the season ticket holders true blue fans and didn’t they endure the von appen years?

    isn’t the ability of the program to gain new season ticket holders more relative to future revenues?

    aren’t the “walk-in-gameday-individual-ticket-purchasers” of equal if not of greater-importance?

    isn’t it the pride period of our warrior program of higher relevance rather than wins and losses?

    wouldn’t the average joe-hawaii fan be more concerned how we play the game, at a high level of efficiency, and where losing to the big bad usc’s and uw’s is inconsequential as long as we went down swinging and did all the right things to win only to lose out at the hands of physically superior teams?

    (in other words, no shame lose cuz we went buss our okoles and did all that we had to do the way the game was supposed to be played and had all of our bases covered but still came up short. but, eh we when ‘geev um’.)

  247. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:30 pm

    Autobot > old mahu man w/large cane.

  248. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:30 pm



  249. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:32 pm

    Would Sonny Dykes disregard the alma mater? If the answer is NO then he too is a step ahead.

  250. al November 21, 2011 11:33 pm

    246…you heard about that one too?

    two little birdies told me that one today. three of our coaching staff ran up to our oc, yelling, screaming, imploring him to spike the ball to kill the clock. when in fact it was 4th down.

  251. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 11:33 pm

    I really don’t have any feelings one way or the other about the situation at the moment.

    If the Warriors failed to qualify for the bowl, then that would legitimize the debates and scenarios.

    But since that hasn’t occurred, I take a wait-and-see approach.

    But people still are free to vent or make wish lists.

  252. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:36 pm


    November 21st, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    two little birdies told me that one today. three of our coaching staff ran up to our oc, yelling, screaming, imploring him to spike the ball to kill the clock. when in fact it was 4th down.

    sweet merciful crap…. 🙄 🙄

  253. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:37 pm

    Just for the record, I still think Coach Mack’s f***ot comment about Notre Dame was still FUNNY AS HELL. 😆 😆 😆

  254. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 11:37 pm

    Akey is a good coach, and he’d probably be a very good recruiter, but he has had only one winning season in five years.

    Is that OK with everyone here?

  255. al November 21, 2011 11:37 pm

    kevin…instead of seven seats in one row.

    it would be more fun if you had four on one row and three on the next row right in front or back of the four seats.

    kind of like those baseball box seats where you can interact, yell, scream, cuss, hi 5, have chugging contests with everyone in your party.

  256. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:38 pm


    but 7 in a row looks better if the “row” cam ever gets pointed their way.

  257. al November 21, 2011 11:39 pm

    255…i’ll bet that didn’t sit too well with one of the higher ups at the upper campus.

  258. al November 21, 2011 11:40 pm

    257…as long as they aren’t kissing.

    kevin’s gang anyway.

  259. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 11:40 pm

    Sonny Dykes is indeed a coach on the rise. But I think he’s probably eyeing a Big 12 job. His roots are in the Southwest.

  260. al November 21, 2011 11:41 pm

    258…i meant #254.

  261. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 21, 2011 11:41 pm

    Good point about Akey. It makes me think about Brady Hoke and how he climbed up to Michigan. His overall record wasn’t that great but somehow he managed to convince people in the right places.

  262. al November 21, 2011 11:41 pm

    i think it was mack who felt that robb akey was a great coach and he voted for him for coy.

    go figure?

  263. Bowwar November 21, 2011 11:42 pm

    ST: What does “Your comment is awaiting moderation” mean? Did I offend anyone? I thought I was being frank about how our desires (being another UCLA) often don’t match our willingness to get us there…

  264. Bowwar November 21, 2011 11:43 pm

    Hard to believe all the negativity for a team and coach that was 10-4 the year before…Sounds like we’re doing the same thing we did with Dave Holmes many moons ago…

  265. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:44 pm


    No that’s what we did in past seasons and I hated it.

  266. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 11:45 pm

    I think right now, the UH job, at the current salary, is a great, great job. It’s in paradise, with the backing of an entire state.

    But at, maybe, $400,000 or $500,000, where you can get fired a year after winning 10 games, not such a great job. For us working Joes, heck, that would be great pay. But not for a current mainland head coach.

  267. al November 21, 2011 11:46 pm

    if i were looking…i’d want these qualities.

    a proven recruiter

    a football guy

    a great administrator/executor of a large business

    a guy who can attract good asst coaches

    a guy who does not micro-manage

    a great communicator

    a person of integrity

    a guy with vision and a plan

    a guy who can relate to the hawaii culture

  268. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:47 pm

    Rob Akey’s finest moment:

  269. Stephen Tsai November 21, 2011 11:48 pm


    I don’t know what “awaiting moderation” means.

    We have an automatic filtering system. Was there a word that might be misconstrued as being offensive or inappropriate?

    I think several hundred posts a day don’t get past the spam filter.

  270. al November 21, 2011 11:49 pm

    266…the double rows or kissing?

  271. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:50 pm

    both. 😎

  272. Bowwar November 21, 2011 11:50 pm

    Al: And you’re implying that Mack doesn’t have those qualities? If anything, I think Mack should micro-manage the defense, as he’s given Aranda free-reign…

  273. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:52 pm


    November 21st, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    if i were looking…i’d want these qualities.

    a football guy

    Does this need to be spelled out.

    Im concerned.

  274. Bowwar November 21, 2011 11:52 pm

    ST: Wannabe? Big-Time? Geez, I wish I knew what was inappropriate as I’ve seen other posts far more offensive than mine. Oh well…

  275. LizKauai (macbook) November 21, 2011 11:53 pm

    Thanks for the 411, ST!

    Doggonnit… I just really like Coach Mack and the whole gang. It started with the Wahine Football Clinic. Getting onto the field and watching how the coaches and players interact… well… it’s just downright cool.

    It really hurts me (no duh) to see people so disrespectful and talking about replacing him even as he and the rest of the coaches and all of the players are busting their butts to win the game this Saturday.

    Why is it so hard to just enjoy cheering for our team for another month? Live in the moment… to enjoy the present… without worrying about a future that may never come…


    See you on Saturday


  276. al November 21, 2011 11:54 pm

    bowwar…no. i am saying that would be the qualities i would be looking for.

    however, since you asked. mack has been known to micro-manage the playcalling from year one till now on both defense and offense.

    ask cal, ron, and now dave and rolo.

  277. Kevin November 21, 2011 11:54 pm

    reading comprehension fails again.

  278. Bowwar November 21, 2011 11:55 pm

    What I feel bad about this whole situation is that Mack and his coaching staff are genuinely a group of “nice guys”. If they were a bunch of jerks, I’d be the first in line to get rid of them, but I think they earnestly do their jobs, they’re approachable, and polite. Hard to find those type of guys in the coaching profession nowadays.

  279. al November 21, 2011 11:57 pm

    kevin…what i meant is that a guy/coach who knows how to map out the season from spring training to the year end banquet and all the parts, practices, planning, etc in between.

  280. SteveM November 21, 2011 11:58 pm

    Repeating my pet peeve since physical attendance is being considered…

    Any examination of stadium attendance and season ticket renewal should look at year and home game start time. The attendance graph published in the S-A last week showed definite declines in the years of 5:00 pm and 5:30 pm start times. Overlay this with PPV sales during the same period should give a pattern. Also consider how many afternoon home games for the sake of national TV — TV money is good (?) but did it offset your physical attendance loss.

    If anyone is trying to blame the coach and team for declining attendance, there is some validity there–BUT, attendance number declines since 2008 is 50% the fault of scheduling blunders on admin’s part. My opinion anyway.

    Any ticket renewal survey to ALL current holders should include game start times on a likert scale… listing 3:00, 5:00, 6:00, and 7:00 pm home game start possibilities. Get the true preferences of the people who buy season tickets.

  281. al November 21, 2011 11:58 pm


  282. Bowwar November 21, 2011 11:59 pm

    Al: If that is the case, why are these assistants hanging around? If Mack doesn’t trust his coordinators, then they should leave. I think Ron’s leaving was a blessing….I don’t think Cal wouldn’t let Mack run over him.

  283. al November 22, 2011 12:00 am

    6 pm is a great time for me.

    and 5pm, 4pm, 1pm.

  284. Bowwar November 22, 2011 12:01 am

    277: I agree with you again Liz…You hit it on the nose…These are “decent” people trying to do a good job and have just had some pretty crappy luck. Let’s back them up!

    IMUA Warriors!

  285. Stephen Tsai November 22, 2011 12:03 am

    People can write whatever they want.

    And I don’t want to remind people about good manners.

    But players, parents and recruits all read the blog. And I’ll have players and parents come up to me and ask: “What’s wrong with (so-and-so).” A lot of them are really pissed at certain blog posters.

    I’m not going to stifle opinion, except if it’s utter drivel, but people should remember what it would feel like to be on the receiving end.

  286. Bowwar November 22, 2011 12:03 am

    281: Al…JJ had Lumpy do those things for him…Lumpy was good at logistics.

  287. Bowwar November 22, 2011 12:05 am

    287: ST…AMEN!

  288. al November 22, 2011 12:08 am


    rolo has a young family and his wife’s a local girl. he is also a local boy at heart. he is an up and coming guy in the rank and file. he needs to establish his resume.

    aranda also has a young family. stability is important for young families. however, if the right opportunity surfacedd he’d be gone in a heartbeat. he also needs to establish his resume.

    both are youthful guys as compared to most of the staff except for tuioti and smith.

    btw, the aforementioned guys do 80% of the recruiting.

    cal has been pushed around during his last four years. going from dc to de coach. this could be his final year since he will now qualify for a pension under the state of hawaii. he’s probably the most underused guy we have on staff. especially when it comes to recruiting.

  289. al November 22, 2011 12:12 am

    bowwar…i have no idea what lumpy did with jj.

  290. al November 22, 2011 12:15 am

    i know lumpy’s a great guy though. first met the guy when he enrolled here way back when.

  291. al November 22, 2011 12:22 am

    on another note…wow.

    the gibber strikes again. new recruit and he’s a big.

  292. SteveM November 22, 2011 12:34 am

    As suspected by some, the super coach reportedly below the equator for $325,000 a year is confirmed to be a scam by my friend in Montana. However, his Langley contact stumbled on another guy with NFL Europe experience who guarantees to lead Hawaii to the MWC championship in his first year. This guy is so reputable that he promises to resign gracefully if he doesn’t deliver the championship. But he wants $2 million in advance and diplomatic immunity.

  293. Slugger November 22, 2011 12:43 am

    Oh, yeah, I met a recruit at the game. Malia C.’s boyfriend. Good thing I don’t remember his name. I said, “Recruit? Oh, I can’t talk to you.” Well, that’s what he told me anyway. al might know who he is. Nice kid.

    Good night, gang.

    Na Koa lunch tomorrow. I need to get to practice tomorrow morning! Niiiiiggghhhhtttttt!

  294. Curt November 22, 2011 1:38 am


    I hope this new mbb recruit is an impact player. We’ll see.

  295. 99club November 22, 2011 2:28 am

    Good morning Tsaikos…

    ST, your #226 and #267 above sum up it up pretty well. I’d add that any new hire would have to be told that their the Warriors have two road games in September next season: USC and BYU.

    If we don’t make it to a bowl this season it’s because of turnovers and injuries. I hope we keep the current coach.

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  297. Bulla November 22, 2011 5:07 am

    good morning everyone,

    the sun is still going to rise today….. how nice. no matter what we think, write or say….the sun is still going to rise today. and on the next 2 saturdays, aloha stadium, whether we are in the stands or not, is going to have a football game…..and despite what our opinions are…. there will be approximately 105+ young men dressed in green and black, playing the game they love, in the state they love, for the people they love. might we reciprocate to these athletes just a little love.

    coaching is coaching, we all have our opinions, but let me ask everyone…..what did the players do to you, to me, to us……to lose our support? starting last spring, during the summer, then fall camp to now, the players have not stopped going to practice, the players have not stopped attending meetings, the players have not stopped training with coach tommy, the players have not stopped going to get rehab treatments from the trainers, the players have not stopped going to classes, the players have not stopped doing their homework, the players have not stopped strapping it up every Saturday…….

    so I ask again, what have the players done to us……..I know what they have done, they have received all the support and lack of support from a state filled with fair weather fans at best,they have received all of the posts that have been written here and other web sites, they have received all of the cheers and the jeers from ‘their’ fans, they have received all of the blocks, hits, and injuries on the field, they have received all of the confusions surrounding the football program at UH currently.

    i wonder, is it just too hard to just support ‘our boys’ these last two games, is it just too hard to be encouraging instead of discouraging, is it just too hard to be grateful for their collective efforts, is it just too hard to find something good to say about our players, is it just too hard to lay down the endless tirades and write about the good that our players have done and the good that they have in them? they should feel no shame for wearing the green and black, they should feel no shame for representing the 808, they should feel no shame for sacrificing their bodies for the game they love, they should feel no shame……period.

    we can write all we want, talk all we want, discuss all we want, argue all we want, and insult all we want about anything for we have proven it on the WB. Might I suggest that we turn to the positive, for the players’ sake, and be more supportive of THEM, not the coaches or administration, but for THE PLAYERS.

    i put this out today not to offend anyone, but to just ask if anyone remembers how this blog started, the flavor, the gist, the overall aroma of what we shared way back when…..have we progressed to a better place, or have we regressed to a place we never thought we’d be? just a thought, but I am going to try and be supportive of the Warriors of 2011, be positive for the Warriors of 2011 and be appreciative of the Warriors of 2011.

    Blessings to one and all, and in this week of Giving Thanks, oooops, I mean Thanksgiving, I am grateful for all of the WB ohana, my ohana, the air I breathe, but I am also grateful for the young men that wear the green and black and proudly say that they are WARRIORS. Mahalo boys, for giving an old guy something to cheer about and something to be proud of. IMUA LANAKILA

  298. papajoe2 November 22, 2011 5:13 am

    I watched the replay of the FSU game and didn’t see the coaches calling to spike the ball on 4th down. I did see coach Mac looking like he wanted to spike the ball but it wasn’t on a 4th down. Also, on the last play, somebody was lined up on the wrong side, and since time was running out, they had to snap the ball anyway with 1 second left. That is the inside stuff that fans don’t know about. When I was involved with high school football, I asked a qb who threw a long pass to nobody near the pass “what’s up with that?”. His response was “that dumb ass so and so, was to go straight out along the sideline but he cut in after only a few yards.” The crowd didn’t know that and some people booed the qb.

  299. Kalfred Wong November 22, 2011 6:08 am


    Bulla – you are SO RIGHT!! Your words say it all!

    Good morning to all the Tsaikos!

    Go Warriors! Beat Tulane!

  300. Bulla November 22, 2011 6:19 am

    To all the players and their ohana that wear the Green and Black,


    for all you have sacrificed to call yourself a Warrior, through all of the challenges, the ups and the downs, I thank you for allowing me the opportunity to watch you represent the 808, the state of Hawaii. i pray only blessings and good fortune to you and your ohana, and most of all in this week of Thanksgiving, i am Giving Thanks for your sacrifices you have made to be able to walk through the tunnel at Aloha Stadium and call yourself a Warrior.

    Coaches come and go, but memories live forever……make memories, make memories, make memories….

    We all have our own time machines. Some take us back and those are called memories; some take us forward and those are called dreams.


  301. Pomai November 22, 2011 6:21 am

    #298 – Amen

    I think people need to remember the main reason why they watch or go to the games, I for one like the game itself.

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  303. Bulla November 22, 2011 6:27 am


    I agree, it seems sometimes we go so far off the path, we get lost….. i was just thinking when I was in Portland last week watching ‘The Beast’ play the final game for this season….. how blessed to be able to put on a uniform and play the game you love….. it’s not for the fans, it’s not for the sportswriters, it’s not for the band…’s for the LOVE OF THE GAME

    That is why I support these young men, because anyone can argue, anyone can find fault, anyone can ramble on and on….. the bottom line is these young men, DESPITE all of our incantations and tirades, they still STRAP IT UP every Saturday


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  305. Garret November 22, 2011 6:36 am


    Ending the BCS system will not end conference realignment. AQ schools are moving to other AQ conferences and in EVERY case they are going to a conference with a lot more regular season TV money. Utah didn’t leave the MWC for the Pac-12 for AQ status! Regular season TV money matters, not AQ status. Pac-12 schools normally get less than $1 mil/year more from the BCS than MWC schools, that means nothing compared to $20+ mil difference in regular season TV money. The schools leaving for the Big East know that AQ status could go away, but what they are focusing on is that the Big East’s current TV deal is a lot more than the MWC’s horrible deal, and the Big East is negotiating a new TV contract now that could get a lot more money.

    The proposed end of the BCS system (except for maybe the plus-1 for a national title game) sounds nice in theory, but when you look at how the powers-that-be are trying to arrange things I am not convinced that UH would benefit. If we just look at this from a UH-centric view, some things do not look good to me.

    For example, the plan shown in SI that gives the bowls the right to pick from a pool of teams sounds nice in theory…but then you look at how it is set up and you might notice that the plan has NONE of the non-AQ teams chosen for BCS bowls! The SEC would get 3 or more BCS spots, the Big 10, Pac-12, and Big 12 would get 2 or more spots…and the Big East and non-AQ schools could be completely shut out of all BCS bowls.

    The bowls would like this–the BCS system gets its money from its TV contract and the TV ratings for the BCS games that Boise State, Utah, and UH played in are all on the bottom 10 in BCS bowl history. The big conferences sell more tickets, get more TV viewers, and reality is that the 3rd place SEC and Big 10 schools get higher TV ratings than undefeated Boise State or UH teams get.

    To make the math simple, I’m going to say that each AQ conference gets $20 mil. It used to be $18 mil but has gone up–I’ve read that it could be up to $21 mil, but I’ll use $20 mil for simple numbers.

    If they end the current system and let the bowls choose from a pool of the top 12 or 16 teams, UH loses out in a lot of ways. First, that ends the $10 mil that the non-AQ schools get automatically from the BCS to split. That also ends the $10 mil that is earned when a non-AQ school gets to a BCS game. Under the current system, Boise State or Houston will get an automatic BCS bowl spot…under the plan published in SI, neither would be in a BCS bowl this season!

    UH and every non-AQ team lose big under that system and the SEC, Big 10, Pac-12, and Big 12 get even more money. Notre Dame at 7-5 will get more TV viewers and sell more tickets than an undefeated UH…letting the bowls choose who they want is not good for UH.

  306. WarriorNY November 22, 2011 6:37 am


    My thoughts exactly… Throw in some problems on Special Teams and that covers every loss this season… Our Offense and Special Teams are young; experience will cure these problems more than a new coach would…


    Very good post… I think most of us here still support the team. Passionate as we all are, one way or the other on the coaching staff, we are on here everyday checking up on the team.

  307. Pomai November 22, 2011 6:43 am

    Is wondering of those who are calling for change ever played the game?

  308. Pomai November 22, 2011 6:56 am

    #304 – Bulla – That is the main reason I have gotten involved with the Wahine Softball team, they play the game for the love of it, there are no big pro contracts at the end of their collage career, most of them will go on to get jobs, raise a family, but when they play it is for the love of the game. I like that!!!!!

  309. Da Punchbowl Kid November 22, 2011 7:45 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂

    Thanks for the reply Garret. I suspected as much, but as usual you have it down to brass tacks and hard facts. In the end, it’s going to be about money. *tsigh*

    Thank you bulla, for your fine posts. Always proud of the Warriors, win or lose. I think of little kids after their first Pop Warner games, and the very special kind of joy it brought them. Then I think of this year’s Seniors, most going into their last two, God willing, three games. The joy of those little Pop Warner players is still there, in bodies and and hearts made so much bigger by the game they love.

    Thank you also, Pomai. For love of the game. Four very profound words, words which mean so much, until money shows up. I cite the NBA non-season for example. Millionaires arguing with billionaires, but in the end, where is the love?

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