Graves is still the 1

• David Graves, who was replaced after being “dinged up” against Tulane, remains as the No. 1 quarterback and is expected to start against BYU on Saturday. Head coach Greg McMackin said Graves will not resume throwing until Wednesday. (Tomorrow’s schedule involves an hour of video reviews and strategy meetings, and an hour of practice.)

• McMackin said cornerback Mike Edwards will start Saturday, although he will undergo shoulder surgery after the Warriors’ last game. McMackin said he was assured Edwards will not incur further injury by playing.

• Scott Harding’s availability is not certain. He has a sprained ankle.

• But slotback Miah Ostrowski and defensive tackle Kaniela Tuipulotu are good to go.

• The Warriors will wear the combination of black/green jerseys and white pants for Saturday’s game against BYU.


  1. Buffoman November 28, 2011 6:28 am

    Number 1?

  2. d1shima November 28, 2011 6:29 am

    I numbah, too!

  3. d1shima November 28, 2011 6:29 am

    Omelets sounds like a winnah!

  4. Old Diver November 28, 2011 6:32 am

    Both Graves and Austin played well. It’s a great position to be in for Rolo.

  5. d1shima November 28, 2011 6:37 am

    Have a terrific day erryboddy.


  6. Buffoman November 28, 2011 6:39 am

    Recruiting is very important to the success of any program. That being said, sometimes, and more often then not, the HC has to be like an “Iron Chef”. In other words, it is his responsibility to create a fantastic faire with what may be surprise ingredients, some of his choosing, some a bit of a surprise.

    JJ did it the year after he took over from his predecessor. Folks thought that the pantry was bare and to our surprise, JJ whipped up quite a feast. True Iron Chef stuff.

    So, I believe the question that many are asking is, do we have an Iron Chef at the pay scale or do we have a cafeteria manager at an Iron Chef level of compensation. Both can prepare a faire, but is it what is expected.

    I do not believe any of the bloggers are questioning the ingredients that go into the preparation. What may be at the heart of the questioning may be, is that the right presentation.

  7. Da Punchbowl Kid November 28, 2011 6:39 am

    Good Morning Gangeez!:)

    Victory Omelets!

    Graves earned it. Happy to read that he’s okay.

  8. Buffoman November 28, 2011 6:41 am

    It’s the omlette thing that made me think about the chef-cafeteria manager comparison.

  9. tom-warriornation November 28, 2011 6:44 am

    I hope both QB’s see a lot of action; as I feel we would need both to win this game!

  10. LizKauai (iPad) November 28, 2011 6:48 am

    Winnah, winnah, omelet dinnah?


  11. LizKauai (iPad) November 28, 2011 6:48 am

    Winnah, winnah, omelet dinnah?


  12. LizKauai (iPad) November 28, 2011 6:49 am

    Whoa… Dupe?!

  13. WarriorNY November 28, 2011 6:51 am

    This will be a very good pressure test for Graves this weekend. Must win situation… I’m confident in him…

    Just out of curiosity who is our Defensive Backs coach? I feel like we need some sort of a change in philosophy in that area. We have way too much talent to be performing so poorly…

  14. WarriorNY November 28, 2011 6:52 am

    *Change in philosophy does not mean change in coaches…

  15. Stretch November 28, 2011 6:54 am


    November 28th, 2011 at 6:51 am

    Just out of curiosity who is our Defensive Backs coach? I feel like we need some sort of a change in philosophy in that area. We have way too much talent to be performing so poorly…

    Is this a serious question?? Miano has been at UH forever. You don’t think the db’s have excelled under his coaching??

  16. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 6:55 am

    McMackin had a good plan on recruiting. He started camps. He hired a full-time recruiting coordinator. He made written agreements on scholarship offers (binding for the school, not the players). He also tried to space out the classes for each position.

    Trouble was UH faced a lot of competitive recruiting. Secure a verbal commitment early, other schools jump on the prospect (2009).

    Try to hide interest, other schools insist UH isn’t showing enough love (2010).

    Next year will be the first real senior class of the tenure; the recruiting program can be fully judged at that point.

  17. 808realism November 28, 2011 7:02 am

    Mcmackin has to go. simple as that

  18. RedZone November 28, 2011 7:03 am

    And now Mack had to face uncertainty. How are you going to recruit with that over your head? You either commit to a coach or your don’t. Uncertainty kills programs.

  19. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 7:13 am

    Keep him, don’t keep him. Decision should have been made months ago.

    Red Zone is correct. Uncertainty is killing recruiting.

    I don’t even know who’s making these decisions at UH anymore. There seems to be a lot of people involved.

  20. 702WarriorFan November 28, 2011 7:14 am

    Good Morning

    Off topic item’

    Best and Worst Run States in America — An Analysis Of All 50

    12. Hawaii

    > State debt per capita: $5,328 (10th highest)

    > Pct. without health insurance: 7.9% (2nd lowest)

    > Pct. below poverty line: 10.0% (6th lowest)

    > Unemployment: 6.4% (9th lowest)

    46. Nevada

    > State debt per capita: $1,690 (6th lowest)

    > Pct. without health insurance: 22.6% (2nd highest)

    > Pct. below poverty line: 13.0% (24th lowest)

    > Unemployment: 13.4% (the highest)

    50. California

    > State debt per capita: $3,660 (21st highest)

    > Pct. without health insurance: 18.5% (8th highest)

    > Pct. below poverty line: 14.5% (tied for 21st highest)

    > Unemployment: 11.9% (2nd highest)

  21. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 7:16 am

    The dilemma is there will be a lot of recruits coming this weekend. It affects the pitch when there’s uncertainty.

  22. 702WarriorFan November 28, 2011 7:17 am


    What do you think will happen to Mac and when?

  23. WarriorNY November 28, 2011 7:24 am


    I don’t know why I didn’t remember that. I feel like this year our secondary hasn’t been great. We did have a lot of interceptions last year but I feel like we are getting lit up this year.

  24. LizKauai (iPad) November 28, 2011 7:27 am

    Well, since people are making those kinds of statements…



    An attack on Coach Mack is an attack on OUR WARRIORS!!



    Beat BYU!


  25. LizKauai (iPad) November 28, 2011 7:31 am

    Please save any comments that are not 100% POSITIVE SUPPORT FOR THE WARRIORS for AFTER THE SEASON IS PAU.


    We want the Warriors to play their best ever game?

    How about being 100% behind them!


  26. markazulu November 28, 2011 7:33 am

    I would love to go to UH every home game I cant because I ALWAYS work on saturdays an finish at game time but I always LISTEN to it on the radio an am proud of our boys keep playing hard! The one thing I disliked from the Mac era is that our teams NEVER had that same KILLER instinct that UH had during the June Jones era during the Mac era we could have a 2 or 3 td lead an they would get to laid back an let the other team into the game to many times we let other teams get back in it no killer instinct an hasnt been able to close out games that has happened in 3 games this year that we lost.

  27. RedZone November 28, 2011 7:33 am

    Tank’s interception was huge. Good job tank.

  28. 808realism November 28, 2011 7:33 am

    ST- First of all, the idea that a recruiting class can only truly be evaluated after 4 years is at best ridiculous. Second, if we were competing for recruits with former-selves (or uh hilo) then your praise of McMackin’s “plan on recruiting” would be warranted. BUT since we are competing for recruits against mainland schools, its just not going to cut it. JJ said it when he was here, and although there have been minor improvements (e.g. practice field, aloha stadium turf), we still have a loooong way to go to match the facilities of mainland schools. Not talking USC or Oregon, just middle of the road mainland football programs. Who can blame guys like Manti Te’o for not wanting to spend 4 years lifting weights in our old rusty weight room? The entire culture of uh football has become LAZY since JJ left. JJ had no secret recruiting formula, he simply found athletes that fit his system and honestly pitched what we had. McMackin should have been (at best) an interim coach. Were paying him waaay to much to be as bad as he is (PAY HIM 500K AND PUT THE REST INTO FACILITIES!!!). The only saving grace to his HC tenure was a 10 win season he had with JJ’S RECRUITS!

    ps Screw Herman Frazier

  29. 808realism November 28, 2011 7:34 am

    *our former-selves

  30. LizKauai (iPad) November 28, 2011 7:38 am

    “..Some are born to sweet delight,

    Some are born to endless night.

    We are led to believe a lie

    When we see not through the eye

    Which was born in a night to perish in a night,

    When the soul slept in beams of light.

    God appears, and God is light

    To those poor souls who dwell in night,

    But does a human form display

    To those who dwell in realms of day….”

    Happy birthday, William Blake

  31. markazulu November 28, 2011 7:41 am

    I’m still gonna support UH though an as long as Mack is UH’s coach I’ll still support him. He should just let the offense do its job though an not always take the foot off the pedal especially when the game is still in the early 4th quarter. Just play hard 60 minutes straight. But Mac has done a good job academically. Keep supporting Hawai’i Bleed Green.

  32. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 7:57 am

    Sparkling athletic training facilities have their place, but it’s the people running the program that seal the deal on a recruit signing his LOI. BTW, USC’s weight room, from what people have told me, is nothing special. I would say that UH’s strength and conditioning program does a good job under Tommy Heffernan. Nothing wrong with rusty weights – a 365 lb power clean is still a 365 lb power clean – IMHO.

  33. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:00 am


  34. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:03 am

    I’ve been on the PDX-HNL flight on some Sundays in October and have seen a few 16-17 year-olds wearing the UofO swag and the starry-eyed looks

    They know who their audience is…

  35. Slugger November 28, 2011 8:04 am

    Good morning, gang!

  36. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 8:08 am

    UO? Where do I sign, coach? Oh, but those gloomy and rainy days 9-months out of the year.

    Underwater treadmills? No need for that. Just go down to the beach and carry some rocks in the water. 🙂

  37. mikey November 28, 2011 8:17 am

    #6 & 8 Buffoman well said

    If JJ was still here we’ll be undefeated and thinking about which BCS Bowl game to go.

    Yes, JJ was a True Iron Chef indeed.

    I had a feeling of uncertainty back in summer when I asked if Warriors go undefeated.

    When the Answer came back ‘you don’t expect much do you’. As coached you should.

    Uncertainty sure kills.

  38. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:17 am

    Who needs to be able to show recruits clips from your NC game?

    No need for that.

    Just go load up the Hawaii Bowl highlights….won’t take away too much beach time! 😆

  39. mikey November 28, 2011 8:19 am

    Our schedule for this year 2011 of power ranking is the lowest in NCAA this year.

    We should have won every game. Especially when we beat La Tech away and they are the WAC Champ this year.

  40. A-joe November 28, 2011 8:20 am

    32- agree

    ‘Gmorning gang!

  41. Buffoman November 28, 2011 8:21 am

    I believe that a “blue chip” player will commit to a school becaue he/she wants to be there. Manti did not truly want to go to UH so no matter what the facilities looked like, he would have still gone away. Timmy Chang wanted to stay home, even though the facilities looked like crap. I’m not saying that Manti and Timmy are on the same level, but when Timmy was coming out of St. Louis he was being looked at by mainland recruiters.

    Kanani Danielson could have gone to any college and started and could have been their star. She chose to stay home (I believe that Wahine Volleyball’s success had a lot to do with that) and we’ve lost a bunch to “big name” colleges away.

    If the shine and sparkle is #1 on the recruit’s chart as to why attend a school, you may want to pass on that one. I’d rather go after that “Corey Parades” type player who wants to play for the Warriors, who has size and potentially developmental skills to recruit.

    Those who are coming because we’re their 3rd or 4th choice, I’d rather not spend time. They may be harder to motivate and may be more willing to blame others for his/her poor performance (due to a lackluster self-preparation, blamed on “poor facilities”).

  42. mikey November 28, 2011 8:24 am

    This weeks game against BYU is “The Game of the Year” for us Warriors.

    Lets fill the stadium for BYU game first and NO PPV till then… Kidding aside…

    But I do hope the students comes back for this last game at Aloha.

    It is for the Students.

  43. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:25 am

    17 year-olds have different perspectives.

    No one is recruiting 40+ year-old blog readers….

  44. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:26 am

    That said, mikey is right. A packed and rockin’ stadium can make a pretty big impression on a recruit!

  45. mikey November 28, 2011 8:27 am

    And that’s why I like Walk-On they are hungry

    I look for them in any sports. Even the NFL Free Agents list is a Hot List for every team.

  46. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:27 am

    …and plenny coeds in the stands wouldn’t hurt either. 😉

  47. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 8:30 am

    I’m with LizKauai,

    please save comments on the coach until the end of the season. It’s only one game away, maybe 2 if we can get a victory this weekend. We need to beat BYU, not dis the coach. Some support please!

    Try to put some effort into getting a fullhouse this weekend. Our regular 5 plus 2 more form the original gang are showing up this weekend (that’s the original gang from 35 years ago). Plus I got 2 couples from Aussie land going to the game this week! and working on a few more to go.

    Go Warriors!

  48. Buffoman November 28, 2011 8:30 am

    #43 True, absolutely agree. But if no the kala to make pretty for that 17 year old with sparkle in his eyes, why beat the dead horse and wish for what will not come. Focused attention may get us a better result as we do not seem to be able to create Nebraska’s weight room in Hawaii. BSU seemed to have been able to win without the big name (now they can go after that blue chipper).

  49. Da Punchbowl Kid November 28, 2011 8:30 am

    Or look at Vaughn Meatoga. He made his intentions regarding coming to UH clear since he was at KS Kapalama. Then he showed up, worked his butt off, fought through adversity and became the star he is today. A model recruit who has become a model Warrior.

    Another tremendous example is Richard Torres.

    We need more guys like those, because it won’t be facilities or “Super Star” recruitment which brings folks like them in. It will be because they want to represent Hawaii and play for the people and the state they love.

  50. Da Punchbowl Kid November 28, 2011 8:30 am


  51. Pomai November 28, 2011 8:32 am

    Now see here is where some out of the box thinking should come into play with the BYwhoo game, if I was running it I would have gotten hold of Garrett Gabriel and Ty Detmer and talked them into a half time shoot out to see after 22 years who has the best arm or how about a special circle of honor induction of the 1989 team that beat BYwhoo, round up all the players and introduce them at halftime with video highlights on the jumbo-tron.

  52. mikey November 28, 2011 8:34 am

    Sorry but I have to admit I have missed most games (3) this year due to circumstance

    And watching on DirecTV most games, but we will be attending the last three games Live.

    It was just disappointing to see so few in students section.

    I sure hope we can fill the Aloha this week.

    Go Warriors!

    I want Christmas Bowl for Christmas.

    Santa are you listening to us Warrior Fans?

  53. Manoa2 November 28, 2011 8:34 am

    #20, 702warriorfan

    Interesting stats– best run and most prosperous states seem to have the most debt per capita. Which means we may be well run and doing well on income and employment, but we may have borrowed our way to the top ?(or we can afford to borrow and will continue to do well and outgrow our debt).

  54. Big D November 28, 2011 8:35 am

    Gib had no contract for 1 and 1/2. He still recruited albeit some fell through not because he had no contract. What the difference?

  55. al November 28, 2011 8:35 am

    #15…stretch. just how many guys has miano sent to the nfl?

    there’s mouton, but, help my memory out, who else made it up there?

  56. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 8:36 am



  57. kev-1 November 28, 2011 8:38 am

    Maybe all this fire Mack talks should stop already. I have my opinions about whether he should stay or go, and about the amount he is paid. Reality is, he still has a year left on his contract. Re-structure his contract for his final year. Part of me wants a new coach, but part of me wants to see how he recovers from this unexpected down year.

    Afterall, coaches don’t overthrow passes, drop balls, blow coverages, or miss tackles. Sure, a lot of this could fall under discipline and lack of leadership, but at a certain point, players need to be held accountable for their play too. I know that people on this blog get very touchy about blaming players, but holding someone accountable is not blaming.

    For recruiting sake, maybe we just keep Mack and see how he recovers? (. . . ducking and holding my ears waiting for a response)

  58. 808realism November 28, 2011 8:42 am

    BSU had tremendous success before being known as a big time football program. But they had something that we don’t have. A GREAT HEAD COACH (and potatoes haha)

  59. Wes'side Warrior November 28, 2011 8:43 am

    Howzit, everyone!

    Hope you all have a great day!

    No matter who leads us, as long as they wear “Hawaii” on their uniforms, they’ll get the support of me and my ‘ohana. I would hope they will represent us, our school, and our state to the best of their abilities.

    The amount of backlash against Coach Mack is amazing, even though he has raised grad rates and still has a winning overall record. Why aren’t people at least half as critical of the majority of our poor state government leadership? Talk about predictable, not creative, don’t want to change, etc.

  60. kev-1 November 28, 2011 8:44 am


    GRAVES DIGGERS all the way!!!

  61. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 8:46 am


    Why can’t they write up an extension contingent on a number of things…

    Write up a base pay both sides can live with with bonuses beyond a certain number of wins. 600K +75K for every win over 7 (since 7 gets us into the bowl), with 50K to the head coach, and 25K divided among the assistant/associate coaches. Money shaved off of the initial salaries should then be earmarked for maintenance/replacement of football related equipment and facilities, emergency recruiting expenses, marketing, and tutors.

    Beyond the 7 wins, the house starts to fill and 75K-100K per win thereafter becomes quite reasonable. Can we do more for the athletes than just omelets after a win? Up it after the 6th win. Bonuses for higher graduation rates should apply as well as deductions for lower graduation rates. Set the academic standard and keep it.

  62. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 8:48 am

    Chow getting the boot at UCLA may have been a blessing in disguise.

  63. WarriorNY November 28, 2011 8:48 am


    Coaches don’t make fumbles…


    I hope that ur comment wasn’t about me and my DB’s comment. I am 100% behind coach Mack, I just think that DBs could be doing better.

    BTW – Kealoha Pilares is #2 in the NFL in average kickoff returns!

    Click on Average

  64. PolyMom November 28, 2011 8:49 am

    Urban Meyer taken by Ohio State. But Dennis Erickson is available. And Slick Rick will be available in a few days. Just sayin.

  65. Stretch November 28, 2011 8:50 am


    November 28th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Chow getting the boot at UCLA may have been a blessing in disguise.

    for who??

  66. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:50 am

    UofO is an extreme example of an alum coming thru for his Alma Mater but the form holds in many instances where the $$$ for facilities comes from donors with deep pockets who but into a program and the HC who leads it.

    Before Hawaii went to Gainesville I posted a story about UF’s new addition to their stadium that was primarily funded by a single donor. These folks want their name associated with a winner and need to be sold on that by the HC’s vision and results.

  67. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:53 am

    Listened to BY-Who HC this morning on BC.

    It helps to have a HC who can articulate a message in a clear, concise manner.

  68. al November 28, 2011 8:53 am

    mih…its all about the numbers.

    rain being a factor for last weeks game. no way. all we had to do was entice 24k to match the previous week’s turnstile count.

    attendance has bottomed out. not because we are losing. go figure.

    any contract numbers could be worked out. ask yourself, then why aren’t they coming up with a ‘viable’ contract?

    …messages, many messages.

  69. mikey November 28, 2011 8:55 am

    We have no choice but to keep Mac till next year.

    We don’t have $1 Million plus $500 K we’re losing at the gate for this year.

    Plus where will get the $$$ to pay for the new coach.

  70. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 8:57 am


    For Chow.

  71. mikey November 28, 2011 8:57 am

    Unless some Miracle happens over Christmas!

  72. d1shima November 28, 2011 8:59 am


    see #66

  73. cocobean November 28, 2011 9:00 am

    Saw an ad for Cyber Monday – up to 30% discount off of UH sporting events. Thought I’d buy some extra tickets and invite some friends. Big disappointment. They’re selling for $40.00.

    Come on Big Jim. There’s probably a lot of S. Tix holders who would have bought extra to help pump up attendance.

    Your “up” to 30% off is a big come on. It felt like a slap in the face to see the BYU tix at a lot smaller “discount.”

  74. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 9:01 am


    That’s why I think JD or others up there don’t want to extend Mack’s contract. I feel a Von Appen around the corner… scares me some.

  75. al November 28, 2011 9:02 am

    polymom…??? you want dennis “over rated” erickson?

    three times he made mack his dc.

  76. Stretch November 28, 2011 9:03 am

    Iwonder – why would it be a blessing to be without a job??

  77. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 9:04 am

    I thought Neuheisel would be successful at UCLA.

  78. Bleed Green and White November 28, 2011 9:05 am

    All this talk about who will be the QB for UH versus BYU, I simply don’t get it.

    Reardon mentioned some anti-social sites getting all over Graves, but here’s my 2-cents……

    UH has no choice, it’ll be Graves. I mean it’s not like the off line will be able to block all of a sudden.

  79. mikey November 28, 2011 9:05 am

    To Pomai:

    Predicting attendance at the Aloha this week against BYU would be nice.

    UH 38 – BYU 35 last second FG to win this week would be nice.

    Along with Aloha attendance of 38,000 but 40 would make a number nicer.

    Ahh so many Christmas Wish.

  80. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 9:06 am


    Because he got picked up by Utah. If he Rick kept him, he would be without a job going into next season.

    Whereas now I think he got a 2 year deal with Utah + Whittingham’s seat is quite secure.

  81. Slugger November 28, 2011 9:08 am


    The BYWho tickets are selling for $5 above the normal ticket price at $45 for “premium” (popular) games.

  82. al November 28, 2011 9:10 am

    69…if you take in to account the $$$$ we have lost on gate, rainbowtique, etc, etc. and the potential of continued losses in the millions wouldn’t the net result eventually out weigh the losses?

    what about from where we were going to that bcs bowl and now we have been leveled to mediocrity, aside from last year’s season, we are losing momentum going into the mwc.

    how long can we tread water?

    these are tough times and tough decisions need to be made yesterday. perhaps too many folks are now pulling on the purse strings.

    we either extend his contract now or announce a new direction now.

  83. LizKauai November 28, 2011 9:20 am

    WarriorNY – not about anyone in particular, just a general request…

  84. Kevin November 28, 2011 9:29 am

    I wouldnt say people are pinching pennies, its all about the result.

    Rain HAS been a factor in the oast. In Hawaii it ALWAYS effetcs attendance to a degree. Key word is DEGREE.

    In other seasons where average attendance would have bee 34-36K, a rainy night might have the attendance dip to 32-33K.


    When u are already averaging less than 23K…………

  85. Kevin November 28, 2011 9:30 am

    Lots of missing letters.

  86. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 9:31 am


    I think we can only compare in the post PPV era and there really haven’t been many years to compare against.

  87. Kevin November 28, 2011 9:32 am

    People already know whats up.

    No sense in lying about it.

  88. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 9:32 am

    I meant to say.. in the PPV era.. not the POST PPV era…

  89. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 9:33 am

    A lot of people were watching the game at Windward Mall’s food court. The place was packed. They should make a rule that if you don’t have food on your table, make room for the guy who does.

  90. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 9:34 am

    Anybody know well the Koolau Theater is doing with their PPV showing on the big screen?

  91. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 9:34 am

    oops.. .Anybody know how well…

  92. Kevin November 28, 2011 9:35 am

    PPV is not the issue with attendance THIS season.

    The culmination of specific shortcomings in the past three years and subsequent freefalls this season brought upon the uneasy feelings and lack of confidence in the program’s leadership that have those who are emotionally, financially, and personally invested in ALL of UH athletics concerned.

  93. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 9:41 am


    We went 10-4 last season.. nothing wrong with that. Two bowl games in three years, again, nothing wrong with that. It’s the PR behind it all that is hurting the Warrior program. The key administrators aren’t visible… who besides the Coaches are really making a plug for the program? All you hear from everyone else is.. “we need money.. money.. money..” It’s not pleasant.

  94. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 9:48 am


    UH Warriors 41 BYU 27

    Go Warriors!

  95. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 9:51 am

    Just come to the game and bring someone along…What’s so hard? Go Warriors!

  96. koakane November 28, 2011 10:00 am

    morning, kope good

  97. koakane November 28, 2011 10:00 am

    pomai read email

  98. koakane November 28, 2011 10:00 am

    dare I say it

  99. Kevin November 28, 2011 10:01 am


    That is your opinion, but in my mind and the minds of others as well, no heap of marketing or freebies will draw the crowds to the 35K+ range with the way things have been.

    The Hawaii Bowl loss to Tulsa was damaging and was the third BLOW OUT on national TV and there is something wrong with that and any momentum gained early on was lost with the UNLV mishap. The mood began to change drastically then, you can easily tell from the masses attending the Wahine volleyball match hours later. Then add on the non-sense BS about point shaving and what do you get? Barely 20K in the stands.

    Marketing could have done this and done that. No one disagrees with that.

    A while back someone said that putting okoles in the seats is NOT part of the head coach’s job, but attendance is a direct and IMMEDIATE result of winning and providing a product people can stand by. If attendance wasn’t a factor in a coach’s job, then incentives formed around attendance would NOT be a result.

    Am I letting UH marketing off the hook? Yeah I guess so, but marketing only goes so far. Keep advertising golden roses and after a while the customers will say, hey, this is just s— on a stick.

  100. koakane November 28, 2011 10:01 am

    closer so now them lurkers will be chiming in

  101. koakane November 28, 2011 10:02 am

    ahhhhh its all good

    what is the motif this sat pomai?

  102. Kevin November 28, 2011 10:07 am




  103. koakane November 28, 2011 10:13 am

    yep and ala’s all the way around

    to those peeps who think winning has no correlations to fans participation needs to wake up

  104. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 10:15 am

    Gotta fill up the stadium with green – 40K would be great. I’m sure the local LDS wards are telling their members to attend the game on Saturday. Get choke Mormons here in these islands.

    Hope the BYU cheerguys behave themselves this time on the sidelines.

  105. koakane November 28, 2011 10:15 am

    #95 will bring 8 newbies to sat BYU game

    challenge me

  106. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:17 am

    It ain’t their cheerleaders who need to behave but maybe their TE’s?

  107. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:18 am

    arizona st. usually draw pretty good crowds…in this season of struggles, anyone notice how bare portions of the stands were in the last game Erickson coached?

    there is a correlation…even amongst the Big Bad BCS schools who some believe are immune to “bandwagon fans”.

    however, i am going to invite a friend to the BYU game. I will “do my part”. 😛

  108. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 10:20 am

    1992 game – BYU tight end Byron Rex showed his love for UH fans after catching a touchdown pass. He was disciplined for that, though.

    I also remember UH fans booing that receiver from St. Louis School, never understood why him a not the other local boys on the team at the time.

  109. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 10:26 am

    Old School Dave..

    Same year… from Sports Illustrated

    August 31, 1992

    Clean, Sober And Insufferable

    Brigham Young is loathed for its holier-than-thou attitude as well as for its relentless success

    Douglas S. Looney

    “I just hate them,” says Pat Rabold, who played defensive tackle for Wyoming from 1984 to ’88 and is one of the few people inside the game willing to give voice to his feelings about BYU. “Can’t stand them. Nobody can.” Randy Rich, a former New Mexico and NFL defensive back, says the ill feelings go back to “their basic attitude that blacks are inferior. Their players are always taunting black players.” Even Cougar defensive back Derwin Gray, when asked if he feels that everybody hates BYU, replies, “Yeah, without a doubt.”

    Former Wyoming player Rabold says bluntly, “They talk a lot about what a class organization they are, but they don’t win with class or lose with class. And whenever they lose, they whine and make excuses.”

  110. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:28 am

    re: the local LDS members

    I’ve sat near some of them at prior UH-BYU games. If they are coming to cheer for Hawaii then fine, if not, stay away and admire your high school trophy.

  111. mikey November 28, 2011 10:34 am

    #72 Yes, d1shima 島 I agree but

    Our Alumnae at UH are far and between from donors with deep pockets much less who will donate or even go to games.

    Today’s fans only care about wins and losses. Back when we use to go we didn’t care about who we played win or lose, we went to just watch the Game and support the team.

  112. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:34 am

    We know who Coach Torres will be cheering for. =)

    Hope he brings a few thousand with him.

  113. Buffoman November 28, 2011 10:34 am

    Kevin is on such a roll that I don’t have to post. He’s stating what I’ve been “suggesting” for a while and I believe he’s nailed it.

    That blow out to Tulsa was inexcusable given the success the team enjoyed up to and going into that bowl game. IT left a sour taste that “sort of” went away and hopes sprang anew with the new year and what looked like another great run. Then with the disasterous stumbles along the way through what was reported as the weakest rated schedule in the D-1 ranks, brought up massive “acid reflux-like” comments.

    Kevin nailed it.

  114. mikey November 28, 2011 10:36 am

    We had 25 people and 8 dogs at our house for Thanksgiving.

    If they all go to our final game, I will hire a 25 passenger Tour van to shuttle us.

    Hehehe, GO Warriors!

  115. Derek November 28, 2011 10:37 am

    We have already seen football teams making coaching changes as soon as the season ends.

    IMO, if Hawaii loses to BYU and the season is over I don’t see Mack returning for his final season. If Hawaii wins, miraculously I might add, and make it to the bowl game I think Mack will be able to finish his contract. However, next season will be his last season and we will get another coach for the 2013 season, UNLESS Hawaii wins the MWC conference championship which the odds are heavily against. Against BYU this week I look at the matchups and I look at the schedules the teams have played and how teams are playing the last 3 to 5 games. BYU has played a much far superior schedule than UH, no question. I biggest difference is BYU’s offensive and defensive lines are much stronger than UHs. BYU can run the ball with 3 goood running backs and they have a sophomore QB who was a 5 star player who was highly touted, plus a senior QB who went to Utah St. in 2007 (who was a starter against Colt Brennan) who is an athlete who can scramble and is tough as nails by the name of Nelson. He must be in his mid 20s and is married and mature. Meaning, stability. BYU is solid all around and Bronco Mendenhall is a very good coach. They lost to Texas on the road by 1 point, a game I watched and BYU led the entire game until the last couple of minutes. I hope somehow, UH will win the game I also hope the home field will help the team get jacked up and inspired to play over their heads and anything and happen and the fans will be into it. But, realistically, you have to say that this will be a very tough ball game to win. BYU beat Idaho and New Mexico St. both 42-7 the last 2 games, teams that UH struggled to win. You can disagree with me, but I look at the stats over 11, 12 games and the competition they have played. I’m still pulling for Hawaii to win, just like when Garret Gabriel was the UH killer. Remember the t-shirts made a long time ago. We are tailgating close of the entrance of the stadium and all of a sudden we see this t-shirt that says FU BYU. People get fired up and the intensity is very, very high. But, we can’t play the game, the players will have to do it on the field.

  116. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:37 am

    I was under the impression that USC sells out every home game. I was wrong.

    I mean they do get their 80,000 or more fans and do sell out rivalry games, but they do not fill that place to capacity of 93,000 the entire season.

    Kinda surprising.

  117. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 10:38 am

    Fmr UH HC Bob Wagner said that he came to realize that there are also a good number of Mormons who are UH fans.

    Got an uncle in Utah (BYU hater) who says that you’ll sometimes see info in people’s obituaries that reads – Hobbies: “Loved seeing BYU lose in any sport.”

  118. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:38 am

    We know who Coach Torres will be cheering for.

    It won’t be the first time many Hauula El alums have felt he was going against the grain

  119. jm2375 November 28, 2011 10:39 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Happy Cyber Monday.

    Got my vb tix online for Thur & Friday.

    Agree with Liz. If you’re gonna criticize, how about some constructive criticism, not just whining?



  120. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:40 am

    Will they be distributing new “Beat BYU” towels at the next game? I hope so!

  121. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:43 am


    Yep. Decided that it’s more fun being critical of BY-Who for this week! 😆

  122. Capitolist/WassupDoc November 28, 2011 10:47 am

    Couldn’t post this at 12:30 am HITime because comments section had been closed. That’s okay for those of us who live here, but a lot of folks make comments from other parts of the universe and may not be able to wait until 6:15 am HITime. Any explanation as to why the cut-off?

    I am doing some research on Stadium concession issues and will report on what I find out asap.

    Again, UH has NO formal say in any decisions about the Aloha Stadium facility or the larger site. The Authority certainly listens to UH & and public/private schools’ concerns, but the Authority is an independent body.

    A quick reminder: The Department of Athletics financial issues are on the Board of Regents agenda this Wednesday. As far as I can ascertain, only issues concerniong the last fiscal year ending on June 30, 2011, are going to be discussed, but some members of the general public as well as the Manoa campus students/staff/faculty may try to raise other financial issues.

    The meeting is at the John A Burns School of Medicine in Kaka`ako Makai starting at 9 am. For more information, click

    For those of you who are concerned about the lack of marketing Uh-Manoa athletic events, remember that UH has to pay for most traditional media advertising although a number of media outlets have provided significant discounts – and, in some cases, free time & space.

    What makes people support intercollegiate sports anywhere? Accessibility to the facility, reasonable costs for tickets/parking/transportation/food & beverages/gear & gizmos, winning records, and a pleasing, user-friendly environment.

    An additional comment or two: The Ching Complex facilities upgrades are on their way – $10 million has been released, bid requests have been issued, and contracts will be awarded in early 2012. Construction will be begin within a month of the awards – assuming that no one files a formal challenge.

    Again – Operating and Capital Improvement Budgets are separate – money cannot be transferred from one to the other – so talking about reducing McMackin’s pay by more than 50% and transferring it to facilities improvements is not legal.

    Off to work – hope to see a few of you this Thursday at The Stan = and Friday as well.

  123. mikey November 28, 2011 10:47 am

    I still remember the BYU game in 1990 when we routed BYU 59-28 on December 1st and on same day earlier, BYU Ty Detmer won the Heisman Trophy.

    I will never forget that event.. It was very Sweet indeed.

  124. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:48 am


    Spam guard.

  125. mikey November 28, 2011 10:49 am

    I just came home in ’89 after 8 years in SF and still holding season tickets.

    Beating BYU is Sweet

  126. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:50 am

    Jeff Sydner…strike a pose! 🙂

  127. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:51 am

    WDoc is guarding da spam?

  128. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:53 am

    Remember how someone posted an article that predicted undefeated Hawaii vs. undefeated BYU to make for a memorable season finale?

    Wouldn’t that have been something? You could probably sell your tickets for 5x its face value and be willing to buy it back for double after you realize what you just gave up. To dream the impossible dream.

  129. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 10:53 am


    I never said that winning doesn’t sell tickets. But in those off seasons, the powers above gotta pull together and demonstrate their support for the fans to feel at ease.

    But Hawaii fans are pretty fickle. Even in 2006, it took us all the way to the Purdue game for the house to get packed. Hawaii had to get to 9-2 to start filling the house. Fortunately they won their bowl game and kept winning the following season. But even then, the house was pretty tame when we played the lower ranking WAC teams and Charleston Southern.

    What got to me then was JJ saying something about we won’t see another perfect season in our lifetimes

  130. mikey November 28, 2011 10:55 am

    #108 OSD; If I recall that year in ’92 Hawaii went on to win Illinois in the Holiday Bowl.

    That trophy is still the best looking in the Warrior Trophy case.

    If any Hawaii players goes to play for another team they should be Boo’ed.

    Same as Texas player goes to play for Oklahama or vis versa.

  131. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 11:00 am


    Getting rid of PPV would help those numbers a lot, as well. BUT getting rid of PPV is not an option. At least not yet. If it doesn’t help us in the MWC, then maybe it should be terminated. Maybe PPV should be limited to theaters and head counts taken with part of the proceeds going directly to the Athletic Department so that it can be counted as an off-campus stadium instead of your typical PPV revenue. Then maybe Hawaii would be able to keep that part of the PPV revenue and not be forced to throw it into the MWC pool. We could count the number of heads in attendance there, too. Maybe for Hawaii, off-campus, theater type stadiums are our future and a smaller 35K sit-in stadium with ample parking a better fit.

    We are a spoiled people with limited disposable income. I drive to town but once.. maybe twice a month cause I hate traffic. I don’t like driving at night, too, especially on weekends with inebriated drivers on the road. I hate paying for parking and will only go to Chinatown on Sundays. Cost of gas has gotten us to limit our photo shoots to perfect days with little vog… and even then, we plan around the shoot to take care of shopping needs.

    My parents are gone so I no longer have a place to park my car near the stadium. The earliest we get off on Saturdays is 3:30pm… by the time we get to the stadium we need to park pretty far away cause there simply isn’t any parking left. Usually we work evenings on Saturdays when the game is on. We could probably switch for a weekend or two but then we’d end up working the slow days with no sales. We work on commissions only – so no salary = greater hardships, and $120 in tickets and gas suddenly look like $200.

  132. mikey November 28, 2011 11:04 am

    made in : that’s a good idea of theaters head counts and prceeds going to UH.

    Better yet UH should just rent the theaters and collect the ticket fee to movies.

    Just an idea of off site who can’t or won’t go to stadium for what ever reason.

  133. 808Bowler November 28, 2011 11:05 am

    Morning everyone. Man if hawaii brings in a new coach (and i hope not) I’m going to feel bad for him. Heading to a new conference with players that don’t for his system right off the back is tough. If he loses hate what people would say bout him.

  134. mikey November 28, 2011 11:06 am

    I would go and see it at Dole on the Big screen.

    They charge what $15 for 3D or THX?

  135. mikey November 28, 2011 11:07 am

    Just imagine watching UH Warrior Football in 3D!


  136. mikey November 28, 2011 11:09 am

    808 if JJ can do it so can anyone else.

    Well not just anyone. But there are a few that comes to mind.

  137. mikey November 28, 2011 11:19 am

    Time Out. Going to lunch

    It’s last day for one of our workers.

    we’ll miss her.

  138. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 11:22 am

    UCLA said to be ready to make a major financial commitment to football and has Chris Peterson of Boise State and Kevin Sumlin of Houston on their shortlist of candidates.

  139. Warfan November 28, 2011 11:22 am

    Doesn’t it concern anyone that the coaches and trainers at the college level still allow their players to play the following week after getting a concussion? Anyone with half a brain could see that Graves was out of it during the after game press conference. Our coaches allowed the same thing with Moniz after his head injury. Geez…it only takes one hit too soon afterwards and it’s lights out. I would hope our coaches looked out for the student athletes better than this. At least high school takes this more seriously now. Whatever happened to the receiver for Stanford?…he got carted off in a stretcher after getting hit in the head week after week. Not good…not good at all.

  140. Old Diver November 28, 2011 11:24 am



    The secondary is coached by Rich Miano, but the secondary schemes which tie into the defensive schemes are decided by Dave Aranda. I know Rich takes a lot of heat anytime someone catches a pass, but he is not deciding game strategy. During the Washington game Aranda’s goal was to stop the run so he moved up the safety’s for run support. Washington suspected that and opened the game throwing the ball. By the time we adjusted the damage was done. Much of the problems in the secondary can be traced to a poor pass rush. Aranda is also very conservative when it comes to blitzing. Overall though I believe the defense has played well most of the time with the main problem being and underpowered offense.

  141. Capitolist/WassupDoc November 28, 2011 11:25 am

    Just got off the phone – here’s a quick update on the Aloha Stadium concession contracts: The deadline for submitting proposals to provide food & beverages is tomorrow by 2 pm. The final decision will be announced shortly effective January 1, 2012.

    I was unable to find out if Sodexo (sp?) will be submitting a bid or if CenterPlate will be submitting a renewal bid. However, that information should be available by Wednesday morning. I am aware of the fact that the new contract has been the subject of several recent Executive Sessions during the regular meetings.

    Will check out how the public can submit comments and post that information here.

    Re spam – is the only option to cut off the entire Comments Section to reduce/eliminate spam?

  142. Claud Sutcliffe November 28, 2011 11:25 am

    UH 35 -vs- BYU 30

    Go Warriors! Go!

  143. Old Diver November 28, 2011 11:27 am


    I believe the trainers and Doctors have the final say when it comes to concussions.

  144. LizKauai November 28, 2011 11:30 am






  145. tommui November 28, 2011 11:31 am


    OLD SCHOOL DAVE #108 – probably because Matsuzaki (sp?) was the Manti Te’o of that period. 5****.

  146. LizKauai November 28, 2011 11:35 am

    I thought this was interesting:

    Hockey League May Have Better Solution

    Another problem with the program is that top military officials did not choose a very good test, according to the Pentagon’s own medical advisers. They say the National Hockey League, whose players are constantly hitting the glass — and each other — has a better test to help spot brain injuries than does the U.S. military.

  147. d1shima November 28, 2011 11:36 am


    You are correct as usual. Also, if memory serves, he did himself no favor by leading the Cougs onto the field…didn’t take long for the hometown fans to recognize that!

  148. LizKauai November 28, 2011 11:38 am

    mih- just come to the T-Gate… no parking probs…

  149. expat November 28, 2011 11:40 am

    Being a consistent winner in college football is hard. Over the past 33 seasons since joining the WAC UH has had more winning seasons than losing, but the most sustained success has been putting together 4 winning seasons in a row. When you think about it that is not great.

    If you want to know the secret to Boise State’s success the answer is 14, which would be their consecutive winning seasons.

    If UH really wants to build back a solid attendance base I think we need to string together 6 or 7 years of winning seasons. Not necessarily 10 win seasons, but at least 8 wins out of a 13+1 game season. Hawaii has never, in the modern era, had a coach who won 3/4 of their games. Getting to .75 over the long term would be impossible, but for a stretch it can be done. Maybe targeting .65 consistently would be good. Only June Jones has done that since going Div 1. No other coach has hit .60

    Despite all of that Hawaii has consistently been near the top of the WAC in terms of attendance.

  150. Kevin November 28, 2011 11:43 am



  151. ai-eee-soos November 28, 2011 11:43 am

    re #138 – Yup, They got a couple of good ones lined up.

    138.Old School Dave:

    November 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    UCLA said to be ready to make a major financial commitment to football and has Chris Peterson of Boise State and Kevin Sumlin of Houston on their shortlist of candidates.

  152. A-House November 28, 2011 11:44 am


    perhaps it was the way he said things as reported in the press that he has/is disliked – I am among those.

    if the media blew it out of contex, then the media is to blame; but he, the player, did not critize the press and kept up his rant about not playing for UH and smiling all the way.

    same went for the St Louis player who was a Parade All-American HS player who basically told UH to kiss off!

    as I posted earlier, it’s not difficult to tell UH “no” in a nice,positive manner that he wants to play for a BCS school on the mainland, but also tell UH coaches that he would not mind returng home if it does not work out. Some have done it and it has been in the media that UH coach will accept them back.

    I would be very surprised/disappointed if UH would not allow a “local boy” who wants to come home and play for the Warriors – only exception I know of is the ILH player and family who blasted UH privately and publically and Coach Mack turned him down. Too bad because I thought he played well in HS and would have contributed to UH DLine this year and next.

    Well now, with new UCLA coaching staff, wonder what the 2 local boys who committed to UCLA will do come LOI day? I know that UH can use their talents!

  153. A-joe November 28, 2011 11:48 am

    115: Derek

    Any stats on the players, “Heart?”

  154. A-House November 28, 2011 11:49 am

    If Coach Peterson moves to UCLA, Boise ST fortunes will definitely fall and quickly! Wouldn’t that be a hoot!!

    Same goes for Houston – the other UH!

  155. koakane November 28, 2011 11:50 am

    d1 agreed #121

    wdoc will you be fulfilling your pledge this last game?

  156. A-House November 28, 2011 11:52 am


    “he has/is disliked”?

    hey, hey dats da cane field plantation lingo at its finest!

    of course, it should be “he was/is disliked”.

  157. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 11:52 am


    I actually will be having 6 never have been to a game before peeps from Aussie land from my hotel and working on 2 more couples. The oldies rebought season tickets this year and are coming to our tailgate this Saturday. It will be a blast especially if we win. Go Warriors!

  158. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 11:54 am

    A-House: Is it the Punahou RB Steven Lakalaka and the Buff N Blue kicker who are UCLA commits, right?

  159. d1shima November 28, 2011 11:55 am

    Best “welcome home” was for Kurt Gouveia by Walter Murray in 84 or 85 game (btw, how did they end up coming here two years in a row?) on a crossing route early in the game. It was like two rams butting heads and neither backed up.


    …but Hawaii still lost 🙁

    Onenaddah btw, average attendance for 85 was 44,880 and that team finished 4-6-2. Sold out AFA game late in the season; even had 41,500 for Pacific; and drew 47,482 for season finale – BY-Who. Always had hope then. Good times.

  160. LizKauai November 28, 2011 11:55 am

    “I’m sorry. But I don’t want to be an emperor. That’s not my business. I don’t want to rule or conquer anyone. I should like to help everyone if possible – Jew, Gentile, Black Man, White.

    We all want to help one another – human beings are like that. We want to live by each other’s happiness, not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another. In this world there is room for everyone and the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone – the way of life can be free and beautiful, but we have lost the way. Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate. Has goosed us into misery and bloodshed.

    We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical; our cleverness hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little.

    More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities life would be violent and all will be lost.

    The airplane and the radio have brought us closer together – the very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men; cries out for universal brotherhood, for the unity of us all. Even now my voice is reaching millions throughout the world. Millions of despairing men, women and little children; victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.

    For those who can hear me I say – do not despair – the misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed. The bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress. The hate of men will pass and dictator’s die. And the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.

    Soldiers – don’t give yourselves to brutes! Men who despise you, enslave you, who regiment your lives – tell you what to do, what to think and what to feel. Who drill you, dives you, treat you like cattle, use you as canon fodder. Don’t give yourselves to these unnatural men. Machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts! You are not machines! You are not cattle! You are men! You have the love of humanity in your hearts. You don’t hate. Only the unloved hate. The unloved and the unnatural. Soldiers! Don’t fight for slavery, fight for liberty!

    In the seventeenth chapter of St. Lucas it is written, the kingdom of God is within man – not one man, not a group of men, but in all men – in you! You the people have the power – the power to create machines, to create happiness. You the people have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure. And in the name of democracy, let us use that power, let us all unite. Let us fight for a new world; a decent world, that will give men a chance to work, that will give youth a future and old age a security.

    By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie. They do not fulfill their promise. They never will. Dictators free themselves, but they enslave the people. Now let us fight to fulfill that promise. Let us fight to free the world. To do away with national barriers. To do away with greed, with hate and intolerance. Let us fight for a world of reason. A world where science and progress will lead to all men’s happiness. Soldiers in the name of democracy, let us all unite!”

    -Charlie Chaplain in The Great Dictator


  161. A-House November 28, 2011 11:59 am

    In offering scholarships, it must be gut wrenching on who will get a “free ride” and who does not.

    It always appears that the majority of the “local boys” are the “walk-ons”; relatively few from the outside. To be sure, there are the noteable exceptions like Colt who walked on, but JJ knew that Colt would be given a scholarship soon.

    I believe it’s the “walk-ons” who bring the most stability to the UH football team.

    BTW, is it against NCAA rules that every student athlete gets a “training table meal” each and every day of school? Including all “walk-ons”?

  162. d1shima November 28, 2011 12:00 pm


  163. A-House November 28, 2011 12:01 pm


    correct amundo – don’t forget the kid from the Big Island! or, is he going to Udub?

  164. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 12:02 pm

    Funny how back in the 80s and 40K plus attendance at UH games, fans were much more well behaved. Seemed to be more beefs and brawls in the stands into the 90’s. Remember when the UH QB ran into the stands during a game to help defend his family in a brawl. Was almost like watching pro wrestling at the old Civic Auditorium.

  165. d1shima November 28, 2011 12:02 pm

    good ting the chairs is bolted down 😯

  166. koakane November 28, 2011 12:03 pm

    Kaimuki Kid: November 28th, 2011 at 11:52 am.


    I actually will be having 6 never have been to a game before peeps from Aussie land from my hotel and working on 2 more couples. The oldies rebought season tickets this year and are coming to our tailgate this Saturday. It will be a blast especially if we win. Go Warriors!

    outstanding see you and all dem aussies this sat. there will be mucho 5 “f” (fun, family, friends, fuuud and football) for everyone

  167. d1shima November 28, 2011 12:04 pm


    beer was cheaper then; never care if you drank ’em slow and accidently spill.

    At $8 a cup, dat sucka is diappearin’ Pronto!

  168. A-House November 28, 2011 12:04 pm


    how does one measure “heart”? such an intagible, but so powerful that make the small appear large and the weak so strong!

    “heart”? just look at Corey P or R Torres – shining examples of “heart”, IMHO.

  169. Buffoman November 28, 2011 12:05 pm

    I think if UH made a coaching change and Kale Ane came to UH to coach, you might have an outside chance to get the two from Punahou to attend UH. THe operative word is “might”. I just do not believe that UH is ontheir respective radar screens, even with the coaching change.

    Lakalaka if he could be a slot guy for UH, with his speed, strength and size would make all of us forget our current receivers and we would compare him to Bess, Polares and Salas. Okay, dreaming is okay. The kicker would be “the answer” to our kicking game for 4 years. That guy boomed kicks well into the end zone on kick offs.

  170. A-House November 28, 2011 12:06 pm



    how can I change the rule?

  171. kev-1 November 28, 2011 12:07 pm

    #135 . . . just imagine watching it in person!

  172. A-House November 28, 2011 12:07 pm

    OK, back to work – got the word from management that this computer is for “official” business use only!!!!!!

  173. Buffoman November 28, 2011 12:07 pm

    The guy who Torres reminds me of is Nate Jackson. HOw could such a skinny guy (in Torres case, short) deliver such heavy hits? He was all heart and just fun to watch.

  174. d1shima November 28, 2011 12:07 pm

    Feed all the students.

  175. kev-1 November 28, 2011 12:08 pm

    I don’t think Graves appeared “out of it” in the post conference presser. I think he was pretty disappointed that he got yanked, and was looking for a way to explain it. He was pretty bummed out and sounded like it, especially when he expressed the fact he wasn’t sure if he would start next week. His spirits were definitely down.

  176. Kevin November 28, 2011 12:09 pm



  177. A-House November 28, 2011 12:09 pm


    what is the retail price of a 6-pack of beer? same as the $8 “cup” at Aloha Stadium?

    if so, WHY!!!!!!!!

  178. A-House November 28, 2011 12:11 pm

    Of all the “local” football players who sought “GLORY” on the mainland, how many actually attained that goal?

    Could they have done the same at UH?

    Of all the non-BCS schools, who are the top 10 in placing players at the next level?

  179. A-House November 28, 2011 12:14 pm


    even if I hit megabucks, it would not last long – need much deeper pockets that that!

    now, if I had $5.4 billion, it would help.

  180. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 12:14 pm

    Immediate needs for the program (if they can raise the funding) may include having a year-round training table with a full-time nutritionist, along with a permanent dining facility in the athletic complex. Maybe too many players subsisting off of Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, or L & L. JMHO.

  181. 808Bowler November 28, 2011 12:20 pm

    Mikey jj never went to a new conference. Hawaii was still in the wac. Granted it is the mwc but still tougher teams then wac.

    If im not mistaken koolau threats show the hawaii games. Well they did last year I know for sure. Also think windward mall shows the games in the food court. For free.

  182. Dan-O November 28, 2011 12:21 pm

    #141…..heard from a Sodexho exec, that its pretty much a done deal. Centerplate is out at the stadium, Sodexho to take over beginning January 2012.

  183. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 12:27 pm


    We tried one game last season to go to the T-gate after work .. no go.. still no parking. The place was full. Ended up way up on Halawa Heights.

  184. koakane November 28, 2011 12:29 pm

    Kevin: November 28th, 2011 at 12:09 pm POMAI-NEED TO CALL ME ASAP.

    pomai has a phone?

  185. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 12:35 pm


    Yeah but he misplaced the crank.

  186. Warfan November 28, 2011 12:39 pm

    143 Old Diver – yes they do and that’s why this is disturbing. Why does the staff avoid the “C” word like the plague (concussions) and look the other way? Just as bad or worse than the Joe Paterno thing. blurred vision. Muffled mind. Throwing up. All indicators of concussions. Moniz was throwing up and they covered up that detail and let him play the next week. Taking too great of risks I’d say. There is a player from San Jose who just went to the hospital for days a week after throwing up 21 times during the game a week earlier which was a week after getting his “bell rung” the week before. Is that protecting our players? The players want to play so bad they take the risks and don’t admit to their symptoms. They are told to tough it out. But head injuries are tricky. Sometimes the worst symptoms don’t show up for a week or two later.JJ held Colt out for a week as it should be when he got clocked. this staff seems to avoid the conversation. I’m just saying…

  187. Warfan November 28, 2011 12:39 pm

    143 Old Diver – yes they do and that’s why this is disturbing. Why does the staff avoid the “C” word like the plague (concussions) and look the other way? Just as bad or worse than the Joe Paterno thing. blurred vision. Muffled mind. Throwing up. All indicators of concussions. Moniz was throwing up and they covered up that detail and let him play the next week. Taking too great of risks I’d say. There is a player from San Jose who just went to the hospital for days a week after throwing up 21 times during the game a week earlier which was a week after getting his “bell rung” the week before. Is that protecting our players? The players want to play so bad they take the risks and don’t admit to their symptoms. They are told to tough it out. But head injuries are tricky. Sometimes the worst symptoms don’t show up for a week or two later.JJ held Colt out for a week as it should be when he got clocked. this staff seems to avoid the conversation. I’m just saying…

  188. koakane November 28, 2011 12:50 pm

    mih true dat and roflmao

  189. koakane November 28, 2011 12:56 pm

    why the uproar? good to have Urban Myer back in the game. he is a good coach

    laugh of the day ……. Urban Myer now subburban myer lol

  190. palolo November 28, 2011 1:01 pm

    We had 40,000 in the Eighty’s because season tickets were $96.00, parking was $3.00, and we could sneak in all the beer and pupu’s we had into the stadium. That’s why it was so crowded and fun. Now the stadium parking opens late, closes early, with the motorcycle police chasing everyone out. Now they search your bags, charge $8.00 a beer, and 40 bucks a ticket. I miss excitment of the game, but not the hoops you need to jump through just to enjoy tailgating and a game. PPV is easier for us old men.

  191. IMUA HAWAII November 28, 2011 1:05 pm

    TANK- nice pick at the right time. Next one you get 6!!! Keep on!

    Paredes – it’s all been said bout you, lock those jaws on um & keep on inspiring us all.

    HAWAII, you played as a team! Graves has eyes & intensity like a hawk. He seems to fire up all the players. Congratulations on win #6! Prove em all wrong with #7!!! HANA HOU.

  192. LizKauai November 28, 2011 1:09 pm

    mih- keep trying! We like see you!!

  193. Kevin November 28, 2011 1:09 pm

    Is it really that hard to get to the stadium?

    If physically able, I have NO idea what the complaints are a out.

    Prior to the luxury of our tailgates now, its was still a breeze.

    But im not looking to sneak in an entire potluck in my pants so walking right thru the gate is easy.

  194. Uce 2 November 28, 2011 1:09 pm

    $1 mill/year equals. $83,333/month. $20,833/wk. $520/hr.

    My question: is Mac worth $520/hr.?

    Average prof at UH makes a little more than $100k per year. Are we saying Mac is worth what we pay for 10 profs? Insanity is what I call it.

  195. Kevin November 28, 2011 1:13 pm

    If Hawaii had a PRO team, imagine the complaints.

    Been to two mainland sporting events and if people think that the “hassle” of getting to a game here is bad…

    Traffic to and from on the mainland is a lifetime compared to here and security is MUCH tigjter as well up there.

  196. LizKauai November 28, 2011 1:13 pm

    palolo- season tix was still around $100. That’s why I got ’em even though I was only going to attend 3 games (turns out 4 games when I had to go to HNL for work).

    HIGHLY SUGGEST getting a season ticket even if you can’t go to ALL the games… still gonna save money and you can give away the ones you can’t use- to spread the ALOHA!


  197. palolo November 28, 2011 1:20 pm

    Kevin, at Honolulu Stadium we could bring in plate lunches from Chunky’s and peanuts sold outside the gate no problem. We just got spoiled. We’ll see how much the game will cost in 2030. Or at lease you will, I’ll be gone by then.

  198. A-House November 28, 2011 1:31 pm


    you and me both!

    but, would be nice to be that old and still living a good quality of life – Vegas here I come!

  199. Curt November 28, 2011 1:37 pm


  200. Kevin November 28, 2011 1:37 pm


    Well, what am I gonna do about it? Costs rising everywhere and the world today is different than it was before. Not better for sure, but it’s different. If I complain in 2030 then I’ll complain. I’m talking about TODAY.

    Either adapt or don’t simple as that.

  201. Curt November 28, 2011 1:37 pm

    Boom! Go Warriors!

  202. Curt November 28, 2011 1:39 pm

    Agree with LizK. Gotta support our Warriors all the way.

  203. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 1:40 pm

    Let my descendants know what football prices will be like in 2030.

  204. d1shima November 28, 2011 1:40 pm

    Three parking stories for professional games on the mainland.

    – in the 80’s went to the Coliseum to watch the Raiders. Off the freeway and right into the parking lot. I forget how much the fee was. Directed to a stall right against the fence facing the stadium and about 30 steps from the gate. The Colliseum looked empty until they announced the attendance at over 50,000!

    – About 8 years ago I went to see the Raiders again in Oakland and parked at a local business outside the parking lot. Paid $20 and walked almost a mile to the gate.

    – Also about 7 or 8 years ago went to Miami to watch the Heat. Someone else was driving and again went direct from the off-ramp into the parking lot. I caught a glimpse of the sign going in and thought, “Hey, $2.50 for parking. Not bad.” Then everyone else started handing over fives and tens to the driver and I realized the sign said $25.00 😯

  205. d1shima November 28, 2011 1:42 pm

    …ask Stretch about parking at New Cowboy Stadium. das one shocka!

  206. Kevin November 28, 2011 1:44 pm

    Koakane, he found the crank. Its ok.

  207. wait a minute November 28, 2011 1:44 pm

    Average profs are not worth $100k per year. Good researchers, now that’s another story.

  208. Kevin November 28, 2011 1:47 pm


    Well, that was then and this is now.

    Changes are inevitable. Not really for the better sometimes, but people born into the changing period just go with it to keep up and not get left behind.

  209. d1shima November 28, 2011 1:49 pm

    Koakane, he found the crank. Its ok.

    Why talk about Syracuse MBB? 👿

  210. 808Bowler November 28, 2011 1:58 pm

    Of course they going use the white pants. With mack being superstious. Lol don’t know if I spelled that right.

    But I thot that combo no match. But if help us win they I’m on board.

  211. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 2:00 pm

    South End Zone season tickets this year was $120.00, parking $5 a game. Who needs to drink beer to enjoy the game? Tailgate before and afterwards no problem. No money, drink water.

    The national guard guys that came to the games that sat behind us use to sneak in those tiny bottles of Jack Daniels and bought a pepsi and viola cocktails. There used to be a whole crap load of tiny bottles, a lot of of good fun yelling and high fiving, and some wobbly folk after games. I used to wonder how they got so many bottles in without it clinking together. and making a whole lot of I guess where there is a will there is a way. Go Warriors!

  212. Warriors1978 November 28, 2011 2:03 pm

    #175 Kev-1

    Graves should have been more happy about his team winning the game than bummed that he got yanked.

  213. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 2:04 pm

    Kaimuki Kid.

    Maybe it’s best you don’t know, yah?

    I used to wonder how they got so many bottles in without it clinking together. and making a whole lot of I guess where there is a will there is a way. Go Warriors!

  214. AlaWai November 28, 2011 2:04 pm

    Aloha Palolo! The game today does not belong to the fans.

    You hit the bullseye. For the middle class family, season tickets and $3 parking was affordable. Musubi, okazu, and cold beer and soda made for a great pre-game picnic. You could afford to take the kids and grand kids. Come game time you could pack up the leftovers, boiled peanuts and head to your seats, where friends would greet you and together you would cheer, jeer and have a great time.

    The Aloha Stadium should designate the first game of the season as family day, where all non-season tickets would be $10. Season ticket printed value would be $10. Parking would be $5 but no restricted VIP sections. Allow edibles into the stadium. Charge $3 a beer and $1 sodas.

    Give away Hawaii rain panchos to anyone with an orange section ticket.

    Have UH Regents, staff, faculty, cheerleaders and other team athletes at every gate to greet and thank the attendees.

    Sell non-premium location season tickets at the game for $20/game printed value. Have the UH Band march and play around the parking lot with mascot and cheerleaders to sell vouchers for these non-premium seats.

    Place the band at the ticket office gate entrance and unload the team at the front and walk into the Stadium greeted by our fight song.

    Show some real Aloha and give the game back to the fans!

  215. Slugger November 28, 2011 2:08 pm

    I’m bringing my two friends from Cali to the game. AnnodahLiz is back.

    The 4 seats next to my season ticket seat were sold early on. Wonder if there will be more Aussie families in those seats?


    Lots of questions for Coach Aranda at the Na Koa lunch. I won a book.

  216. Shoko November 28, 2011 2:09 pm

    Didn’t someone post an article about Graves having blurred vision and a bit disoriented after being hit? Aren’t those primary symptoms of a concussion? Was there a CT scan?

    Anyway, if Mack says he’s good to go, then he’s good to go. But I would hate for him to get hit again and then go into a coma. Just saying…

  217. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 2:11 pm

    Kind of surprises me that JJ is a leading candidate for the Arizona State HC position.

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  221. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 2:17 pm

    in 1990 went to the Iowa game in Iowa City parking on campus was $25 and we parked about a 1/2 to 3/4 mile to the on campus stadium. Iowa folks were real nice and had a mutual hatred for ND.

  222. d1shima November 28, 2011 2:17 pm

    Anyway, if Mack says he’s good to go, then he’s good to go. But I would hate for him to get hit again and then go into a coma. Just saying…

    Head coach Greg McMackin said Graves will not resume throwing until Wednesday.

    Is Keoki Kerr still hanging around Manoa?

  223. SackMack November 28, 2011 2:22 pm

    #194 – Mack is not worth $520/hr!

    UH has no choice but to fire Coach Mack after Saturday’s game against BYU. Win or lose! Major disappointment with the lofty expectations at the start of the season. 3-4 in the WAC! Come on JD, this is against one of the weakest conferences in college football.

    If Kansas can fire Turner Gill with 3 years and $6.0 Million left on his contract, JD needs to move right now. College football is a money making entity and Mack ain’t bringing in the mulla right now.

    Sure Mack is owed $1.1 Million next year but look at the ramifications if he’s still coaching. Drop in attendance of 9,000 for each home game equates to approximately $315,000 (9000 tx @ $35/avg) per game or $2.2 Million over the season. In 2012, UH has a crummy home schedule with non-conferences games against Lamar, South Alabama, and a yet to be named opponent. MWC will be weakened with the expected (?) loss of Boise and Air Force to the Big East. We’re surely not talking about a murderers row schedule with the MWC left overs (Wyoming, Col. St., New Mexico, S. Diego St, and UNLV). Who in their right mind would want to see a mediocre Warriors football team against mediocre competition? Not so bad if UH was dominating and blowing out their competition on a weekly basis at least the games would be entertaining from the home fans perspective. Been a season ticket holder (4 tickets) from 1983 and this has been one of the lowest years not counting the Freddie 0-12 nightmare! Won’t be renewing my tickets if things don’t change at UH! Not a bandwagon fan also, just a pissed off fan who’s had enough with the clowns over at UH!

    UH will probably move at a snails pace in deciding Macks future. What else can we expect, it’s Hawaiian Time! Whether UH keeps Mack, it’s already to late, decision should have been made months ago. Recruiting is shot for the upcoming year and most likely the following year as schools are already making the connections with the class of 2013 recruits.

    Is Mack worth $520/hr? Sure, if we can buy him out at half the hourly rate! What a Loss on Investment!

  224. LizKauai November 28, 2011 2:52 pm



  225. jonj November 28, 2011 2:56 pm

    first off uce-2 get ur math correct. $1000000/52 weeks is $19,230.76 now i believe the guy works 7 days a week so lets say 60hrs a week. but i bet its more! thats $320.51/hr.

  226. kev-1 November 28, 2011 2:58 pm

    I didn’t think the uni color combo looked good either. Come on, its BYU. The only thing they should be wearing with their white pants is Green tops with white helmets. Am I the only one who wants to see a throwback? Didn’t Mack say there was supposed to be a throwback jersey like last season?

    How did we go from having so many different color combos – black, black & white, green, green & white, white, etc. – to now having ummmm black at home and white away. Steps back if you ask me. Not that you did.

  227. AlaWai November 28, 2011 3:01 pm

    #223 Aloha “SackMack” Sorry we won’t see you next season. Have a happy holiday season.

  228. Shoko November 28, 2011 3:02 pm

    So, do we know who is starting at QB for BYU? Nelson Riley or highly-touted Jake Heaps? One a pure pocket passer and the other a dual-threat. I know, alot of questions. Mindenhall is real sneaky.

    Let me do some research…

  229. kev-1 November 28, 2011 3:02 pm

    It used to feel like we WERE driving on the freeway with my cool uncle in his nice car, speeding ahead of the pack. Now it feels like we’ve pulled over into the slow lane with my grandma behind the wheel, wondering where we are going.

  230. LizKauai November 28, 2011 3:04 pm

    I don’t care what color the Warriors are wearing…

    Just WIN, Baybee!!!


  231. kev-1 November 28, 2011 3:05 pm

    I ultimately don’t care either, but I do have preferences. I want them to win too. Not just you.

  232. Shoko November 28, 2011 3:07 pm

    So, do we know who is starting at QB for BYU? Nelson Riley or highly-touted Jake Heaps? One a pure pocket passer and the other a dual-threat. I know, alot of questions. Mindenhall is real sneaky.

    Let me do some research…

    Sounds like Heaps will get the nod this weekend. Riley has bruised ribs and a punctured lung only 16 day ago. To me, thats not enough time to recover from a punctured lung. Just my two cents.

  233. LizKauai November 28, 2011 3:07 pm

    Vollyeball question…

    Will the Tournament be broadcast on tv locally?

  234. kev-1 November 28, 2011 3:09 pm

    Do we still even have green jerseys? Afterall, it is a school color.

  235. palolo November 28, 2011 3:11 pm

    I have been going to UH football for 48 years. My last game in person was in 2009. I was just giving my opinion why we no longer have 40,000 students and fans come to the game. I know we need to support the team by going to the game, but some of us no longer can do it in person. I know I feel bad watching an empty stadium on PPV.

  236. papajoe2 November 28, 2011 3:14 pm

    I like Palolo and Ala Wai’s comments about yesteryear at the stadium. Brings back great memories.

  237. LizKauai November 28, 2011 3:14 pm

    kev-1 – I still have a poster of the Sugar Bowl team on my wall at work. While white on white with white is not my preference, we sure can see the players’ faces clearly in the pic! 😆

  238. kev-1 November 28, 2011 3:19 pm

    Sorry for being such a uniform junkie, but I like to talk about it. Liz, imagine though, the white pants they have now with the green on the back, together with the white jerseys with green print on the shoulders. Throw a white helmet in there with a green H logo, and you’re in business.

    I just think it is visionary and meaningful to the players and some fans. I accept that others could care less about uniforms. Just kind of a thing for me.

  239. LizKauai November 28, 2011 3:21 pm

    kev-1 – Home team gotta be dark colors, right?

  240. anklebiters November 28, 2011 3:21 pm


    ASU head coach possible candidates:

    Kevin Sumlin – Houston

    Larry Fedora – Southern Miss

    Justin Wilcox – DC Tennessee

    Mark Helfrich – OC Oregon

    Ron English – HC East Michigan (had previous ties with with HC Snyder and Koetter)

    …and others that will be they could end up with some one not listed…they are looking for young energetic coaches.

  241. Pomai November 28, 2011 3:22 pm

    QUOTE OF THE DAY: be MINDFUL of what you TOSS AWAY, be CAREFUL of what you PUSH AWAY, and THINK HARD before you WALK AWAY.

  242. LizKauai November 28, 2011 3:22 pm

    Frankly, I liked the RAINBOWS with the green and white and rainbow helmet… I thot JJ’s black and the jagged H logo was ooogie at first… but, hey, I rolled with the change 😉

  243. Don Weir November 28, 2011 3:23 pm

    UCLA/SDSU Fundraising Efforts


    A Board Member of the UCLA Athletic Foundation (and head of their investment committee) was staying here at the house a while back. I presumed upon our friendship to ask him if he would have problem describing how it was done at UCLA and if I could invite several of my UH contacts. Head of AKA, Head of UH Athletics Annual Giving, and a UH Foundation Development Officer came over and we had an hour and a half of his time (vacation time I might add). It was quite enlightening. Each board member antes up $25k per year to sit on the board. All board members have a quota of fundraisers to attend/host. Board members accompany coaches to fundraisers and media events. There are scheduled functions for fundraising where all board members attend. It is highly organized and highly productive.


    The Head of the Aztec Athletic Foundation (AAF) was my mentor the first go around in grad school. He was vacationing on Maui when I was with Na Koa. I called and asked him for an afternoon to discuss athletic fundraising and hopped a flight to Kahalui (I paid for the ticket out of my own pocket Tom Mui). He outlined much of the same as the UCLA contact. SDSU AAF Board Members (50 in number) ante is $10k per year. Each Board member is responsible for raising $25k on his/her own from personal contacts. There are 4 major fundraisers per year and board members attend each one to ‘circulate’ with the guests and build relationships. Board Members also attend media events with coaches. Fundraising events also are held outside of the greater San Diego County where SDSU has alums and have past recruiting success (many travelled to New Orleans to throw a fundraiser with help from a SDSU grad and New Orleans hometown player you might recognize (Marshall Faulk). A major fundraiser held recently just cleared over $100k in one evening aboard the USS Midway).

    Both friends emphasized how important it is to reach out to alums and get into areas where you have a high number of alums as well as past players. They also emphasized the importance of bringing former players/swimmers/gymnasts et al back to athletic contest on a regular basis, to recognize them in the stands, and give them a chance to mingle with fans

    Sometimes it is a good thing to look at how it is done at other schools.

    Isn’t this how it is done at USC PolyMom???

  244. tommui November 28, 2011 3:23 pm

    kev-1 #226.

    Had you seen the Maryland uniforms? They seem to have quite a variety – helmets too. UnderArmour also supplies them- maybe those people have nothing better to do except make all sorts of uniforms, including ours!

    Would be nice to have the old Rainbow ones that we wore when Gabriel was the QB!

  245. LizKauai November 28, 2011 3:25 pm

    tommui- I would really SCREAM for that vintage Rainbow uni!!! Chee Hoo!!!

  246. kev-1 November 28, 2011 3:29 pm

    242, 244, 245 . . . YES!!!! THROWBACK! THROWBACK!! THROWBACK!!!

    244 . . . yeah, Maryland is UA too. How come they have so much more variety? Must be a more lucrative uni deal.

  247. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 3:29 pm

    SackMack sorry you won’t be coming back next year but I know my gang of 5 no make that 7 will be back to cheer on the team, ride the refs and have a good old time. 36 years Baby!

    Go Warriors!!!

  248. kev-1 November 28, 2011 3:31 pm

    CBS showed a clip of the Ohio (not state) players entering the locker room when they found out they were getting their long awaited black unis (which look a lot like Hawaii’s). Man, the excitement on those kids faces was something to behold. It meant something to them. They then came out and smashed their opponent.

  249. Hiflyer November 28, 2011 3:32 pm

    kev-1 Isn’t UA headquarters based in MD.

  250. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 3:33 pm

    Positives Waves Man Positive Waves! I Believe! Right Liz??? Go Warriors!

  251. kev-1 November 28, 2011 3:34 pm

    249 . . . ahhhhhhh good point

  252. Hiflyer November 28, 2011 3:39 pm

    Under Armour’s global headquarters is located in Baltimore, Maryland. Its European headquarters is located in Amsterdam’s Olympic Stadium; additional offices are located in Denver, Hong Kong, Toronto, and Guangzhou.

  253. Hiflyer November 28, 2011 3:43 pm

    Colleges Calgary Dinos

    Western Ontario Mustangs

    Kean University

    Auburn Tigers

    Boston College Eagles

    Gardner-Webb Runnin’ Bulldogs

    Hawaii Warriors

    Maryland Terrapins+

    McNeese State Cowboys

    Nichols College

    Wagner University

    Minot State Beavers

    North Texas Mean Green

    South Carolina Gamecocks

    South Florida Bulls

    Southern Illinois Salukis

    Temple Owls

    Texas Tech Red Raiders

    Toledo Rockets

    Towson Tigers

    Truman State Bulldogs

    Utah Utes

    Delaware Blue Hens

    Whittier College

    Youngstown State Penguins

    (+) Maryland is Under Armour’s flagship athletic program.[8]

  254. ai-eee-soos November 28, 2011 3:54 pm

    … good news, per ST …

    ” … slotback Miah Ostrowski and defensive tackle Kaniela Tuipulotu are good to go. … “

  255. Wes'side Warrior November 28, 2011 3:57 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong, or missing something. Trying to put things in perspectivem from the turnaround year by Coach Jones, followed by the ’06 & ’07 seasons, to now.


    1) We only had 3 road games, and won them all.

    2) We finished the regular season 8-4, and topped it off with a win over Oregon State in the bowl game. SoS = 91 out of 114.

    3) No opponent was prepared for the RnS the way Coach Jones runs it, so I’d like to think we gave opposing DC’s lots of headaches and surprises that first year.


    4) Coach Jones followed up that year with a 3-9 record, (SoS = 90 out of 116)… losing all road games AND getting blown out in the opener against D-IAA Portland State. (I think this was Timmy Chang’s first year.)

    ~~~ Fast forward to 2006 & 2007 seasons and beyond~~~


    5) Finished regular season 10-3, and topped it off with a win over Arizona State in the bowl game. SoS = 93 out of 119.

    6) Colt has a monster season, and announces he will return for 2007, creating even more buzz.


    7) A magical perfect 12-0 season. (Someone buys out of game, and we get stuck with 2 D-IAA games… SoS = 109 out of 120)

    8) Coach Jones, Colt, & Company grad/depart. Even with so much skill positions leaving, expectations are sky high for next year.


    9) Had to rebuild the offense in Coach Mack’s first year. Finished the regular season 7-6 (SoS 79 out of 120), and lost to ND in the bowl game.


    10) Had to rebuild the defense, as Coach Mack starts bringing in more and more RedShirt Freshmen, and less JC Transfers.

    11) After all kinds of injuries, Bryant Moniz takes over and guides us to the brink of qualifying for another bowl game. We fall short, going 6-7 in the regular season. (SoS = 96 out of 120)


    12) Good team with hot skill players. Finished the regular season 10-3 (SoS = 83 out of 120). Fall to Tulsa 62-35 in bowl game.

    13) After strong Seniors depart, somehow still picked to repeat as conference champs. But injuries once again take it’s toll… 6-6 so far (SoS = 118 out of 120). Need a win in the final game to go bowling.

  256. Wes'side Warrior November 28, 2011 3:59 pm

    Sorry, I left out the Sugar Bowl game v. Georgia in ’07 season.

  257. anklebiters November 28, 2011 4:04 pm

    iwonderwhytheyhateme: #107

    I blame the fan turnout (or lack of) mostly on the state of the economy here in PHX, having one of the worse housing value drop in the nation the last several years, the product of having 4 professional sport teams – Cardinals, Dback, Suns & Coyotes – less $$$ to go around, and expectations of this years ASU team not being met (your fair weather fans). This year the stadium was sold out for the UofA game, University of Missouri game & USC drew over 61K. The hard core fan base is around 50K and ranked #47 (6-6 record) among college football teams in average attendance last year.

    If you have a struggling program, no team is immune from ‘bandwagon fans’…maybe teams like Michigan, Texas, Alabama, Penn State, Ohio State won’t be affected as hard, attendance wise.

  258. Chepono November 28, 2011 4:26 pm

    Can’t wait to the season ends – 5 days and counting! Aloha Mac!

  259. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 4:39 pm

    Have some faith and back the team.The team includes the coaches! Go Warriors!

  260. PolyMom November 28, 2011 4:58 pm

    @al…NO way I want Dickerson or Slick Rick! No way Uncle Norm would come to Hawaii. He is comfy and his kids are settled in Manhattan Beach, California. His son Cameron had a baby July 2010. Cam is a teacher at Mira Costa High School. But he is also an attorney and does all of Uncle Norms contracts. He loves kids so much. He was my daughters teacher last year. I want a bad okole guy like Charlie Strong. In only 2 years looks like his team will go to a BCS game. He runs a VERY tight program.

  261. 808Bowler November 28, 2011 5:13 pm


    Ya I agree a throw back uniform would be cool. Tho I like the all green look.

  262. PolyMom November 28, 2011 5:16 pm

    @ i wonderwhytheyhateme…we ALL thought Slick Rick would get the job done. I feel sorry for his wife and kids, I was grocery shopping and his wife and kids were grocery shopping also. Can you imagine grown men and women saying terrible things about Slick Rick in front of the small kids. And being confrontational to her. I got the Manager to send someone to help her. I felt so bad for her.

  263. PowderPuff November 28, 2011 5:19 pm

    Happy Cyber Monday, Tsaikos! If you have some time before the game this Saturday, Na Koa Football Club is holding a Football Alumni Event with former players beginning at 12:30 inside Gate 6. Swing by…chat with our former Rainbows and Warriors, autographs and possibly some giveaways. I’ll let you know who are the former players as soon as I find out! And hey, not doing anything on Sunday? Still room to thank this year’s Warriors at the Waterhouse Memorial Football Awards Banquet at the Sheraton Waikiki. Several Tsaikos already signed up to go…join us!!!!

  264. Ipu Man November 28, 2011 5:22 pm

    White uni’s

    look like Ma & Pa Kettle on the farm—long underwear!

    And something about the color of white, makes the players

    feel less agressive, while black (or very very dark green) seems

    to pump up the players. I supposed it is like a police uniform gives

    a sense of power…and meant to intimidate fear.

  265. PolyMom November 28, 2011 5:28 pm

    @83, regarding USC games. Lots of folks let their season tickets go due to Lame Kiffen, oops, I meant Lane Kiffen. Also LA economy is still in the toilet. Parking is 80 dollars for each game. And that is the kind of parking where you are not allowed to tailgate. Many folks in LA feel like I do, that Lane Kiffen is the only Coach who has failed his way to the top. They really wanted Monte so they had to take Lane and give him the job. It was the last FU that Mike Garrett gave us.

  266. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 5:34 pm


    Yep, agreed, Lane Kiffen got hired because they wanted daddy and to a lesser degree Orgeron.

  267. d1shima November 28, 2011 5:35 pm

  268. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 5:44 pm

    Blurb about a former opposing coach – John L Smith:

  269. PolyMom November 28, 2011 5:47 pm

    @Buffoman, my husband is a huge fan of Kaimi the kicker. Heck after they played in San Diego and we beat Vista High School, my husband was on the phone calling the Coach at Yale. Now looks like he could get an offer from there to. We have Coach Ikaika there from the islands. And let me say this, you might be thinking Yale, the crappy Ivy league! No worries if you good the NFL finds you. And there is no better rivalry game then the Harvard v Yale game.

  270. ai-eee-soos November 28, 2011 5:48 pm

    WAC Conference Report in USA Today.

    Hawaii is the 2nd item in the article.

  271. PolyMom November 28, 2011 6:00 pm

    #243…DON WEIR you are correct. And of course at UCLA you go to the Greek restaurant owned by the Papadapolis family. They were a long time USC family. But Lame Kiffen changed all of that.

    College football is a business. BIG business.

  272. d1shima November 28, 2011 6:10 pm

  273. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 6:26 pm

    Don Weir,

    How much do our Board Members ante up to sit on the board?

  274. Kevin November 28, 2011 6:26 pm

    For those curious, you may head over to peek at Dave Reardon’s blog entry where Mack addresses the student section being empty with regards to the BYU game coming up.

    Without cutting and pasting it this is what I have to say about it:

    There will be some that will be fist-pumping to his statement and those still willing to jump on his back and give the middle finger to ANYONE without regard to the FACTUAL results that have been displayed for all of Hawaii and the nation to see, but this statement is one of the MOST irresponsible things someone in his position can say considering the way things are.

    It’s fine if any one of us says what he says and hell, call a spade a spade, but while we can agree to what he says in observation, the bottom line is as a HEAD COACH, you don’t crap on your audience like that.

    This makes me think about Bob Nash’s situation towards the end of his coaching career at UH.

    People can trash Bob Nash all they want to this day for his shortcomings as a head coach, BUT the man was ALL CLASS and anyone that respected him hurt a little when he got let go, but at the same time ACCEPTED the fact that he was not the one for the job and in that Bob Nash SHOULD be remembered as a class guy, didn’t get the job done, but was a class human being all the way to the very end.

    Which STILL makes me sick that the “then” Star-Bulletin had the freakin NERVE to put that opportunistic photo of Nash with his head in his hands during a game with a bold headline reading: “FOULED-OUT” on the day after his firing was made public. Nash didn’t deserve that send off. BUT one guy right NOW is showing he is quite deserving of something along those lines…..

    There is an age GAP on this blog and I KNOW and I JUST KNOW there will be people who will go on and say “YEAH!!! EFF THE STUDENTS!!!”, but those will have missed the point of my displeasure by a mile.

    Then again, READING COMPREHENSION is not the strong suit of some people as I have seen.

  275. d1shima November 28, 2011 6:59 pm


    Thanks for the heads-up. I never woulda known about that otherwise.

    But anyway, I’m sure the “non-plea” was made with unity and Lokahi in mind.

  276. Hank November 28, 2011 7:11 pm

    I hope Scott Harding is able to make catches…better to have a fair catch on punts than to let it roll.

  277. koakane November 28, 2011 7:11 pm

    Pomai: QUOTE OF THE DAY: be MINDFUL of what you TOSS AWAY, be CAREFUL of what you PUSH AWAY, and THINK HARD before you WALK AWAY.

    wow pomai a DEAD GIVE AWAY lol

  278. WarriorNY November 28, 2011 7:11 pm

    Here’s Kealoha Pilares’ 76 yard return on Sunday.

  279. Hank November 28, 2011 7:12 pm

    We haven’t faked a punt all season…why not now? We need to get some breaks if we are to win this game.

  280. Hank November 28, 2011 7:13 pm

    I hope Rolo puts in a few things that BYU hasn’t seen before…the element of surprise is can be a source of momentum.

  281. Hank November 28, 2011 7:15 pm

    If we go long…our RT (bless his heart) will need help against BYU.

  282. Hank November 28, 2011 7:17 pm

    If Graves is able to play…what about moving the pocket around?

  283. Hank November 28, 2011 7:17 pm

    As Al would say…nuff said.

  284. Don Weir November 28, 2011 7:24 pm



    0 ante

    0 quota

  285. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 7:32 pm

    Don Weir…

    Thanks… guess there’s no surprise there, eh?

    At least we know where the buck stops… 😉

    Hopefully we can change that and in changing find board members who will actively pursue success for the Athletic Department AND University.

  286. PolyMom November 28, 2011 7:33 pm

    Hey Don. Where is Cliff? Have not read his posts in ages.

  287. Don Weir November 28, 2011 7:53 pm


    You out there??

    He has not called in to Letterwinners meetings for a while.



    The donors that UCLA and SDSU recruit do not look for private dinners or special ticket packages (I was told) . These donors see the postive relationship between the University, athletics, and the community. Either as a personal donation or via a corporate donation they enjoy the tax advantages of being a donor coupled with events that allow them to ‘mingle’ with past athletes and coaches. They attend athletic sponsored events: concerts, receptions, fishing charters, and themed parties. I believe they have even toned down the golf tourneys to a couple per year. Smaller, more frequent gatherings with the donors, board members, and donors are encouraged.

  288. Don Weir November 28, 2011 7:55 pm

    Last sentence in previous post should have coaches in the first donor position

  289. Stretch November 28, 2011 8:00 pm

    Don – could you also let MIH know how much each board members get paid? also tell him the perks they get out of being a board member?

  290. chawan_cut November 28, 2011 8:00 pm

    this weekend’s opponent’s results:

  291. Stretch November 28, 2011 8:20 pm

    I guess Don is busy so I will answer the question myself.

    Board Members of Na Koa get paid NOTHING. They volunteer their time to support the team in more ways than just the amount of money they personally donate. There is no side perks for being on the board.


    November 28th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Don Weir…

    Thanks… guess there’s no surprise there, eh?

    At least we know where the buck stops…

    Hopefully we can change that and in changing find board members who will actively pursue success for the Athletic Department AND University.

    MIH – if you think you can give time away from your regular job and can do a better than what is being done, you are more than welcome to put your name in to be a board member.

  292. AlaWai November 28, 2011 8:23 pm

    Kevin, I read Reardon’s blog. Seems like the same few peeps making the same noise about Coach Mack. IMHO if you and the few dissenters show up at the game and “yell” as much for the team as against the coach, you’d raise the decibel level so high the other team will never hear the signals. Go Warriors!

  293. Stretch November 28, 2011 8:24 pm

    Each board member brings their strengths. Some are good at fundraising, others are better at organizing functions. If there were fundraising quotas for each member, there wouldn’t be too many people who would volunteer their time and take the job.

  294. Old School Dave November 28, 2011 8:24 pm

    Joe Kapp still got game:

  295. PolyMom November 28, 2011 8:25 pm

    Okay how much is parking at Aloha Stadium? Is it 50 bucks?

  296. AlaWai November 28, 2011 8:29 pm


    I am not changing now. Christmas wish…

    Warriors 50

    Puddy Tats – Zero


  297. Old Diver November 28, 2011 8:30 pm


    Joe Kapp, last guy you would want to meet in a dark ally.

  298. Stretch November 28, 2011 8:31 pm

    General parking is $5/car. If you get a parking pass, the average cost is about $200 for the season of 7 home games, almost $30/game.

  299. PolyMom November 28, 2011 8:43 pm

    Don tried calling Mrs. Cliff and could not reach her. Hope everything is okay????

  300. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 8:44 pm

    When I was 9, all I talked about was baseball.

    So this girl tells a group of us to talk about anything else but baseball.

    A guy starts talking about Joe Kapp. Tough guy, etc. etc.

    And that night, Pete Rose bowls over Ray Fosse in the all-star game.

    The next day, it was back to baseball.

  301. Old Diver November 28, 2011 8:46 pm



    Reardon’s own posts on his blog smacks of a newspaper writer out to get Coach Mack. With the pressure to win the BYU game Mack is getting a little defensive. Reardon doesn’t realize he is acting the same way to the posts which criticize his view point.

  302. LizKauai (macbook) November 28, 2011 8:54 pm

    I don’t read the other blog for a reason… since when there were 2 papers. It doesn’t appeal to me or attract me…

    Can we leave it there and not bring it here?


  303. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 9:07 pm


    Not dissing the Na Koa members, but there is something to installing Board members that make sizable donations. To start, it doesn’t have to be 25K or 10K or even 5K. It doesn’t even have to be their own money but some sponsor’s. Yet, it’s a vested interest that leads by example and warrants consideration. It could, however, be a start to a new tradition that snow balls into something greater. One-up-man-ship in a old boy’s club. You could have honorary seats, too. Donors who want to be in the ‘know’ but can’t expend the time. Nothing sells better than recognition.

  304. Stretch November 28, 2011 9:08 pm

    It’s sad that a HEAD coach would make those kinds of comments.

  305. AlaWai November 28, 2011 9:09 pm

    Liz, I agree. Others however persist in debasing themselves. Go Warriors!

  306. d1shima November 28, 2011 9:11 pm

  307. Stretch November 28, 2011 9:16 pm

    If you start having people “buy” their way on to boards, it adds another layer of people who feel entitled to have their opinions followed. If they don’t get their way, there goes the money. It can be dangerous.

  308. d1shima November 28, 2011 9:19 pm

    Between Kevin, Stretch and me anyone would be hard-pressed to find more devoted Hawaii football fans. Each of us has clearly stated positions that we support the student-athletes who are playing for the school and the State.

  309. bleedgreen November 28, 2011 9:28 pm

    Mac has out-recruited JJ in one major area -quarterback. JJ would have a really good program if he was able to recruit a good QB. The ones he have are average, at best. Mac has six good ones. Mac has also done well in recruiting receivers and linebackers. Trevor Davis is one. Time will tell about Cecil Doe and Chris Gant. Justin Clapp is another solid one. The only position where he has failed in getting a pair of good ones is defensive end. And the one glaring mistake he made was in 2009 when he did not recruit offensive linemen. He waited to 2010. Thus, there is a gap. Overall, Mac has recruited well for a team in the WAC. This past recruiting season, the WAC, as a conference, failed to recruit a single four-star player. Face it, the WAC is not on top of everyone’s list. It won’t get much better in the Mountain West where the best teams are leaving for greener pastures. Even with Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii leaving the WAC, the WAC will out-recuit the Mountain West. Why? The addition of the two Texas schools. More Texas players will have an interest in the WAC. The Mountain West cannot consistenly find success in recruiting there and will rely heavily on finding players in California where they have to compete against the PAC 12.

  310. slenzi November 28, 2011 9:29 pm

    Red Zone & STsai:

    Agree with indecision killing recruiting. But what can you do when the system is set up for things like this to happen. How can so many other schools get it right and not UH?

  311. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 9:30 pm

    Like I said before, comments about the coach and any changes should wait till after the last game of the season. We should be giving support to the young men who will strap it up on Saturday and play their guts out for pride and the chance to extend their season one more game… The team is everyone including the coach. A little encouragement please, there is a game this Saturday. Go Warriors!

  312. kev-1 November 28, 2011 9:32 pm

    Hmmm . . . is not a comment claiming that those who express counter opinions or perspectives as “debasing themselves” actually debasive in itself?

  313. bleedgreen November 28, 2011 9:35 pm

    As for the empty student section, start selling those prime seats to the public.

  314. AlaWai November 28, 2011 9:38 pm

    Aloha d1shima! I read your sincerity in backing the student athletes. I believe what is being plead is giving other issues a rest until the season is over. Support the team, which includes the coaches to the end. Mahalo. GO WARRIORS!

  315. cocobean November 28, 2011 9:39 pm

    #310. Not more devoted, but there’s at least 20k fan just as devoted.

  316. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 9:40 pm


    They do that for other sports, which is great.

    Sometimes we’ll show up at a volleyball match or basketball game about 15 minutes before the start, and we’ll buy pretty good seats in the student section. Great view. One drawback, I suppose, is being on the Kiss-Cam. But, hey, as Blair, Natalie, Jo and Tootie once said: You take the good, you take the bad …

  317. kev-1 November 28, 2011 9:40 pm

    The point that I think a lot of people have been trying to get at in regards to Mack and the fans, at least my point anyway, is that he should CARE about getting fans into the stands. A comment that claims Hawaii fans are spoiled and that he’ll make no plea to get them to come to the games is just another example of where he is lacking.

    I have a deep respect for hardcore fans that have attended every game for years. I am envious of that. Though it may sound silly, it is one of my dreams to one of those fans. When I was a student at UH, I went to all the games. The fact that I have 3 children with no one to watch them on weekends leaves me watching the game by other methods. I watch EVERY game and I love the team. I always have and I always will.

    Even those who only want to come to the game to watch a winning product are still fans. Mack should want all of us at the games. It wouldn’t hurt him to show it.

  318. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 9:48 pm

    The students as a whole “own” those seats. UHAD needed money and the students are dishing it out and are paying for them.

    I don’t believe UHAD should be selling those seats but instead should open it up to those in the less prime seats to sit there in a first come first served basis maybe after the 1st Q.

  319. AlaWai November 28, 2011 9:52 pm

    kev-1 there is a time for everything. Now is the time to support not start a revolution. Its divisive to attack the top of any organization at critical times. The ploy has been used countless times throughout history with devastating results. Usually its the innocent that suffer the most. You may succeed in bringing down the castle walls and in the case of UH football, end the careers of the seniors on a very sad note. Its also very difficult to restrain ones self when so passionate about a cause. To avoid this its best to be silent and allow the process to play out.

  320. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 9:55 pm

    If there are any students reading this blog, I implore you to come to the game.

    Do it for our players, experience this “forgotten” rivalry.

  321. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 9:56 pm

    At today’s news conference, McMackin was asked about the lack of students at games, and he did say he missed them and they added a lot to the team.

    I think he does tend to say things that are puzzling.

    I’ve concluded he doesn’t speak well but he means well.

    I think he’s in a situation where if people like him, they’ll support him; if they want him fired, they’ll look for every statement to back their feelings.

    There have been, to be generous, questionable calls and game (and time) management this year. At the same time, I really don’t think he has anything against fans, cheerleaders, the band or the band’s parents. OK, I don’t think he likes Ferd (because Ferd doesn’t talk to him), but he’s neutral on Reardon (since they do talk to each other occasionally).

  322. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:03 pm

    Ala Wai,

    I would love to see as many fans as possible in the house on Saturday to support the only ones in the stadium who can win the game. It’s important that the Hawaii fans show up whether it rains or not.

    Evidently you feel the same. We agree.

    I wish the HC did, too.

  323. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:07 pm

    Posted that before I read your comment, Stephen.

    If that’s true, I hope Mack does more to clarify his view before Saturday.

  324. Old Diver November 28, 2011 10:09 pm


    Actually the biggest factor in getting things right is how much money you have. It would be a mistake to believe UH is one of the few schools which gets things wrong. Check out the SEC or Big Ten blogs. Their fans don’t think their schools get anything right unless they are in contention for a national title. That’s the nature of sports. If you kept up with the Fresno State blogs last year they were complaining why Fresno was stuck with Pat Hill while UH was able to get top notch coaches very quickly. In fact most of the other WAC team blogs were saying the same thing. How fortunate you are many times depends on which grass hill you are on.

  325. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:10 pm

    On another note, it’s kinda nice not having to talk about conference realignment and how screwed UH will be in the process.

    Even if for a time I enjoyed the “drama”.

    So, we going to the Big East? 😛

  326. AlaWai November 28, 2011 10:10 pm

    By the way, how about the job the OL did on the 5 wide sets. It took some faith in the OL and QB from the coaches, and stout play to make it work. That 5 yard pass for a 1st down to Paclebar came at a critical time. I know the playbook will be wide open this Saturday. Focus and execute, boys! GO WARRIORS!

  327. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:12 pm


    I’ll have to watch the game again but I think the 5 wide actual made Tulane back off on the blitz. I could be (usually am) wrong.

  328. cocobean November 28, 2011 10:12 pm

    So ST, are you saying you’re the coach’s pet?

    The best public speaker/communicator we’ve had as a D1 coach is Tomey by a mile. Second Von Appen. JJ third, too many uh, uhs. Wags and Mack can’t put their thoughts clearly into words.

    The two best public speakers/communcators we’ve had at UH were guys named Dobelle and Frazier. Really good extemporaneous speakers. Very convincing. Heard they recently sold Kaho’olawe back to a Native Hawaiian group.

  329. d1shima November 28, 2011 10:12 pm

    I’ll move on….

    It’s Senior Night.

    Can we PLEASE give the postgame back to the Seniors and their fans?

  330. el burro sabio November 28, 2011 10:17 pm

    I think he’s in a situation where if people like him, they’ll support him; if they want him fired, they’ll look for every statement to back their feelings.

    It’s past the point where winning would make a difference for some fans. The team could trash BYWho, whip JJ’s butt into oblivion in the bowl game, and yet some would still be whining and crying that Mack should be fired, using every little mistake in the game as a reason that he should go.

    Anytime a coach is fired, there will be players that say that they are the ones who didn’t deliver, not the coach. Read what AlaWai wrote, and remember it.

  331. Ralph November 28, 2011 10:18 pm

    UCLA and Arizona State fired their HC with at least one game to play. Tulane made the change in mid season. I’m sure their administration had the school in mind when they made the decision to terminate their HC contracts, their action reflected a need to move forward and let their base know that a new HC will be on board soon and recruiting will move forward.

    Being nice, making nice, feeling empathy toward coach Mac won’t help recruiting if we wait until after the Sheraton Bowl to terminate his contract, if we do at all. Hawaii takes forever to hire a coach, the decision needs to be made now, and if change happens, it gives the administration time to hire a HC, and he in turn hires his staff (more delay) and they start recruiting (very, very late start-our built in excuse why we lost)

  332. al November 28, 2011 10:19 pm

    general admission tickets at $15 should be available for all games.

    north/south endzone yellow dfor example.

  333. cocobean November 28, 2011 10:28 pm

    #329. You’re the only person that got it right. Lost in the coaching debate is the Seniors who’ve invested more in the program than any fan or platinum sponsor.

  334. Ralph November 28, 2011 10:29 pm

    promote several military discount nights, one of which is Military night, and offer tickets in the yellow section for $10 while supplies last. I’d rather have the yellow sections filled, why take the tack that unless someone pays the full price the seat remains empty. To claim that PPV makes up for the empty seats is mind boggling. Why not have a near capacity stadium plus PPV- Texas and other school with HDTV telecasts, including K State, generates additional income through their own PPV system, not to make up for empty seats.

    JD got his masters in marketing from UH, the way he is counting the beans don’t add up to a balance budget, he needs a concept to generate more revenue rather than think, I got to cut staff, programs, etc to lower the deficit.

  335. Kaimuki Kid November 28, 2011 10:31 pm

    Let’s give the seniors on the our best as they move on with their lives… Go Warriors! Beat BYU

  336. tommui November 28, 2011 10:31 pm

    #331 RALPH:

    While I think the recruiting should be focus on high school graduating seniors, if there is a coaching change at this late date, we would have to go after the JC’s – something which our coaches prior to JJ had to do.

    We should now solely concern ourselves in backing our Warriors.

  337. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 10:34 pm

    The irony (and I never use that word correctly) is that about once a week, he’s making pleas to have more people attend games. But none of us report that anymore because 1) it’s not newsworthy, and 2) he says it every week. And he’s always praising fans for making noise, etc.

    I think there are a lot of things people can criticize — and, it appears, money is the root of all frustration — but a coach wanting more fans at games isn’t one of them.

    I’ve dealt with thousands of players, coaches, administrators, etc. Some people say stuff that makes you go, What?!?

  338. Oldtimer808 November 28, 2011 10:35 pm

    #59 Wesside Warrior…..I support what you wrote. I too am amazed at all the negative comments towards Coach Mack and his staff and of the young student/athletes. I doubt if these negative bloggers ever coached a game in their lives and if some of them have than I’m sure and almost positive that their efforts were poor at best. Have you all forgotten when June Jones had a losing season that the boo birds started coming out and calling him a lousy coach and that we needed more running. Coach Wagner after a successful season struggled the following year. And yes the boo birds came out in force asking for his head. The big compliant was our team needed to pass more. Coach Mack has done a lot for the program with prioritizing academics and recruiting. I hope the powers to be who ever they are keep Coach Mack and ignore all you backseat coaches.

  339. al November 28, 2011 10:38 pm

    subliminal messages?

    surely. too many cooks stirring the pot these days, it is why a no decision has been “rendered”.

  340. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 10:40 pm


    Nope, not the coach’s pet at all.

    Actually, don’t really know him as well as everybody assumes.

    He barks at me all of the time. I just don’t write columns about it.

    He has a short temper and a short memory. If he gets mad, he says his piece, then it’s back to normal.

    Can’t let that sidetrack me from finding out what happened to David Graves or whether Royce Pollard is going to play (that’s my weekly quest).

  341. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 10:42 pm


    Maybe its worth giving Mack the benefit of the doubt on this one? I have a hard time believing he genuinely does not care about butts in the seats, the fans, the students. You know him a 10000x better than I do but I am gathering these feelings from that great meeting you helped to set up.

  342. Ralph November 28, 2011 10:45 pm

    Tommui I am backing the Warriors, but i’m also concerned about the future of our program. Decisions need to be made, sooner than later, UH moves slowly in its decision making process and that hurts the program for many years.

    Keeping coach Mac ends all debate, fire him, then UH scrambles to find a new coach when recruiting should be in full swing.

  343. tommui November 28, 2011 10:47 pm

    Don Weirs #243 –

    I have been fairly successful in getting some $$ for the UHF/Na Koa and quite recently a hunk of $$ for the Wahine volleyball, basketball and softball teams.

    I am not a candidate for the board and like Don, I pay my own way except in the interest of full disclosure, I have gotten a couple invits to the WVB, and tickets to one WBB and MBB. The big prize came from POMAI and KEVIN who got me a season ticket for the Wahine softball games.

    I’m working on another possible donation and may get an autograph from ST but other than that, like Don, I prefer to pay my own way.

  344. al November 28, 2011 10:52 pm

    beat writer vs columnist…

    beat writer (tsai); reports the facts as they become available in particular on an institution on a regular basis.

    columnist (ferd, reardon); writes or tells commentary on random subject matters based upon his/her opinion

  345. Ralph November 28, 2011 10:52 pm

    tommui and you didn’t show up to any of our softball games. 🙁

  346. admrvt November 28, 2011 10:55 pm

    #331 – Doesn’t matter. It’s already too late, regardless of whether they make or don’t make a change in head coaches. Recruiting for next year has taken a hit. The BOR just doesn’t have any members that understand what needs to be done to keep the football program competitive. They don’t care, and even if they did, they don’t know what needs to be done.

    How many coaching changes have been made, and they still have not tried to get the process shortened by legislative amendment. Not a priority item, so they are still in the dark ages.

  347. Stephen Tsai November 28, 2011 10:57 pm

    All I know is no meetings will happen until after this game, so might as well focus on this game.

    I think this is a fascinating matchup.

  348. cocobean November 28, 2011 11:04 pm

    ST. Was just having fun.

    You’re the beat writer, every team has at least one. Maintaining an amicable relationship with the coaches, players, support staff and adminstrators comes with the job. Got hooked on your blog because of all the tidbits that appeared first either by you or one of your loyal Tsaikos.

  349. SteveM November 28, 2011 11:07 pm

    Hawaii – BYU Rivalry…. the 2nd Generation?

    I was there in the stands in the 80’s and 90’s and the the rivalry was intense.

    Intense…lizard brain intense. Ahead by 40 points with 4 minutes left? Score more!

    But now, I’m getting close to collecting social security… and it’s been a while.

    I was searching for BYU Hawaii campus info when I saw this news article…

    Yes, it’s been a while.

    How many BYU fans will attend the game this Saturday? Any guesistmates?

  350. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 11:09 pm

    5,000 BYU fans.

  351. Ralph November 28, 2011 11:21 pm

    i’m sure there are more than 5K LDS members on Oahu, and I’m sure many had this game marked on their calender to support their church. BYU football is one of the many faces of the LDS church and they will respond.

  352. Slugger November 28, 2011 11:27 pm


    Don Weir’s last name does not have an “s” at the end. Just wanted to let you know. It’s “Don Weir”. He’s probably too polite to correct you.

    Y’all need to support the team, the coaches, and their game plan & play this weekend. You are not on the field calling the plays or putting your okole on the line. So, think positive, yell your heart out, take friends to the game, and will them to Beat BYWho.


  353. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 28, 2011 11:27 pm


    What is your guess?

  354. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 11:38 pm

    How many BYU students on the island?

  355. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 11:44 pm

    Oh.. 2500… not too many…

    Still should be an interesting crowd at the stadium this weekend.

  356. Ralph November 28, 2011 11:48 pm

    BYU Hawaii says 2500 students, add support staff, etc, 3K at the school alone. I know they all won’t show up, but there is community support at the cultural center, island residents, etc, they will be there to support the Cougars. At least the stadium won’t look so empty on television.

  357. madeinhawaii November 28, 2011 11:54 pm

    It also says that the temple receives 100,000 visitors annually. How many are Mormons, I wonder? Should be a good turn out for BYU… Might be loud on both sides of the field.

  358. Ralph November 28, 2011 11:55 pm

    Cyber monday is over, let the bean counters count the ticket sales to the fb game, if we have empty seats, time to start another promo. McNamara has to keep his foot to the pedal and figure out additional way to increase the ticket sales. How about $10 for military and their family, fill the yellow sections.

    I sat with BG808 in the red last week and large sections of red seats were empty. My usual brown loge is about 70% filled, but across the stadium there were lots of empty brown loge seats especially in the premium seats.

  359. AlaWai November 28, 2011 11:57 pm

    How many Kahuku recruits will be guests of UH v. BYU. This is a recruiting war as well. Need the Red to turn Green. Go Warriors!

  360. koakane November 29, 2011 12:06 am

    tommui donate your season tickets to the needy oh try wait just realized the is no charge to the wahines sball games. opps my bad. anyway applaud you efforts in the support of UH athletics

    IMHO d1 #308 I commend you three for your non wavering expression for the student. I respect all points of view and by no means agree with everyone. I just want a better UH system that improves the quality of UH athletics and makes acceptable yearly growth. This has nothing to do with students or the teams performance.

    It has been expressed to me there is a time and place for things to be said and the blog is not it.

    Take it for whats it worth again its MHO only.

  361. Hiflyer November 29, 2011 1:16 am

    You cannot count just the student and faculty of BYUH as there is a large Mormon communty that lives here in Hawaii.

    my guess would be 3500 – 4500 BYU fans for this weeks game.

  362. 99club November 29, 2011 2:32 am

    Hey! Someone left the lights on overnight. Mahalo for keeping the blog open.

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    I sure hope we keep Mack. Last year UH led the nation in turnover margin and it helped us to a 10-win season. Too many turnovers this season, pure and simple. Oh, and injuries.

    BYU’s QB has some hurt ribs, BTW. The other starter has about the same number of INTs as TDs. Any news on who’s starting for BYU this week or is it GTD?

  363. Pomai November 29, 2011 3:24 am

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  364. wafan November 29, 2011 3:30 am

    Surprise! The blog is open for comments.

    Good morning, Warriors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  365. wafan November 29, 2011 3:31 am

    New blog filter to cut spam?

  366. Hank November 29, 2011 4:51 am

    Good Morning everyone…

    In 2008, Mac was hired pretty late and was still able to land Geodon Hanohano, Haku Correa, Paipai Falemalu, Greg Alexander, Dustin Blount, Jake Heun, Jeremy Bryant, Art Laurel…among others…He may not be the Coach that JJ was, but imho he and his staff have done a better job of recruiting.

    Next year will be HIS first class of seniors.

  367. Hank November 29, 2011 4:56 am

    I like that fact that he wears his feelings on his forehead, and that he has shown a capacity to accept criticism from his administration.

  368. Hank November 29, 2011 5:05 am

    Urban was just hired by the Bucks for 4-million a year…i guess he’s off of our wish list.

  369. LizKauai (iPad) November 29, 2011 5:49 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    Shall we live in the present?

    Can’t do anything to change the past.

    Worrying about the future is a waste of the gift we are living in right now… The present.

    As a fan who wants all the best for our Warriors this weekend…I gotta say:

    Heal and prepare. Nothing but love this Tuesday for you!


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