42 and counting

UH sports media relations director Derek Inouchi sends this update:

“The University of Hawaiβ€˜i Athletics Department has received 42 applications for its vacant head football coach position as of Wednesday afternoon. The recruitment period is continuous and the six-member search advisory committee has begun reviewing applications.”


  1. Keola December 14, 2011 8:03 am


  2. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 8:04 am

    From previous post:

    Yes, Lavaka is Tongan. His parents are from Tonga, but he was born and raised in the USA.

  3. A-House December 14, 2011 8:04 am


  4. A-House December 14, 2011 8:05 am

    well, ST, you’re not supposed to be #2 -thro me off!

  5. A-House December 14, 2011 8:06 am

    dats guud advisory committee – take your time and chose the best 5 applicants, IYO.

  6. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 8:06 am

    Buzz Preston (born: Al Preston) used to be Buzzy. But he said his sister claimed he outgrew Buzzy, and now is just Buzz.

    I was at UH at the same time. He’s a great guy.

  7. A-House December 14, 2011 8:07 am

    Sione Lavaka:

    tank U for choosing to play for the Warriors and represent the 808!

    welcome to the Warrior ohana!

  8. koakane December 14, 2011 8:08 am

    morning at least the sun is out and not raining

  9. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 8:08 am

    Wow. Todd Graham to Arizona State?

    He should send a thank-you card to the Hawaii Bowl.

  10. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 8:09 am

    Now people can understand the comparisons between Hisatake and Lavaka.

  11. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 8:15 am

    Decisions, decisions…days of decisions…

    How do you gracefully say no to Norm Chow…

    And other well qualified candidates.

  12. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 8:17 am

    As for schemes, UH played both a 4-3 and a 3-4 last year.

    In the 3-4, depending on the offense’s formation, either Vaughn Meatoga or Kaniela Tuipulotu played the nose.

    Anyway, that’s why a big body is a big body, no matter what the front.

  13. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 8:21 am

    With a new head coach from the outside and his own staff coming in are these commitments binding in any way? I take it that once you sign your LOI, it is, unlike verbals. Just wondering because a new HC from the outside might have a completely different criteria for evaluating recruits and the ones signed may not “fit” his talent expectations.

    Agree that JD looked very confident and positive yesterday on the TV interviews. I’m confident he’ll choose the best qualified person and not the most popular one.

  14. koakane December 14, 2011 8:21 am

    I am glad the selection committee is considering each candidate and what they have to offer UH. Just gotta be patient and hope the best person out of those applicants will be the right fit.

    Very impressed the current staff is still professional enough to continue contacting those still interested being a warrior next season.

    Not religiously correct as bulla, pride or lizk but didn’t the bible indicate the world was made in 7 days. So as I see it 2 down 5 more to go.

  15. Buggabugga December 14, 2011 8:26 am

    I would love to see Jeff Reinebold as HC but I don’t think he applied. He is very loyal to June Jones. I know a lot of you bloggers say you wouldn”t mind seeing the R&S leave. But I’ve fallen in love with it. It’s fantasy football to me. The very thought of throwing the football all the time. Of course it will disappear if a non R&S HC is hired. I wonder if Rich Miano will keep it if he is hired? Mike Cavanaugh is my favorite of applicants. Stern, but his players loved him. I think the fans will love him too. He looked like “Uncle Fester” standing on the sidelines.

  16. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 8:26 am

    Very common for a new HC to come in, evaluate the talent on hand and not renew the scholarships of certain players who may fit into his plans, who won’t see playing time, and would be better off transferring to another school at the I-AA, Div II, NAIA level.

  17. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 8:27 am

    Oceanic said it would be at the house today. The crew showed up at 8:40 a.m.

    That never happens.

    This could be a good day.

  18. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 8:30 am

    UH will honor this year’s commitments.

    But, as we all know, scholarships are one-year contracts. No guarantee an outside coach will renew all of the scholarships.

  19. misterfudge December 14, 2011 8:30 am

    Did Hawaii’s membership with the Mountain West and Big West limit the travel subsidies to the existing teams or do we now have to pay for San Diego State too?

  20. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 8:31 am

    ST: That’s what I thought. Still, got to be a hard sell until UH does name a head coach. Time is of the essence.

  21. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 8:37 am

    Interesting comment about the new UH lineman from Laney JC. He said that the main reason was that the people at UH were very “Chill” and easy going. Being “chill” and laid back has it’s place, but I think part of the problem with recent UH teams has been the lack of intensity and sense of urgency (especially when the clock is running down). Being “chill” is good after a week of intense practice or conditioning drills. JMHO.

  22. A-House December 14, 2011 8:39 am

    Wonder how the local football recruits are looking at all the BCS school applicants for the HC position – must not be all that bad if they chose to apply – something must be positive for UH…

    yea, yea, UH is NOT a BCS school and their egos get inflated when recruited by BCS schools – but, as K. Tuiloputu mentioned in an interview, it’s all nice but reality once on campus changes and may not suit the individual

    therefore, all you star football athletes, if you chose to go away always leave the door open to return and play for the 808

  23. Buggabugga December 14, 2011 8:40 am

    I predict Rich Miano will be named the HC. Or that guy from the NFL? My choice is Mike Cavanaugh. He sends O-lineman to The Nfl regularly, there would be no discipline problems on the team, the R&S will continue. But I feel a little politics is in it and Rich will get it. I got nothing against Miano but with tons of years as associte coach, he hasn’t shown anything special to warrant HC. Cal Lee would be more deserving. A legend in HS football.

  24. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 8:40 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! πŸ™‚

    Welcome to the Warriors, Sione!

    I’m still glad that I don’t have to choose the new coach. Some quality folks on the list, lots at stake. How long before we will know who the finalists are, Mr. Tsai?

  25. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 8:42 am

    That’s a big guy, that new recruit. Like his height.

  26. Slugger December 14, 2011 8:48 am

    Good morning, gang!

    …and good luck to the coaches in recruiting.

  27. Dan-O December 14, 2011 8:50 am

    Coach wins….was a good choice.

    Coach loses…was a bad choice.

    Sounds simple enough, but yet difficult. Kind of like recruiting and the NFL draft. They may have a good resume, nice numbers and references, film, etc….but really hard to predict how they will produce on the field.

  28. tommui December 14, 2011 8:51 am


    And DPK asked “How long before we will know who the finalists are, Mr. Tsai?”

    TIME marches on … so slowly …

  29. PolyMom December 14, 2011 8:55 am

    I think if they pick from within again it sends a message to America…yah come apply but know we are not going to hire you. That being said…just pick the Coach already! And either go big or stay home!

  30. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 9:04 am

    On another note, Kyodo news reported that Konishiki

    the ex-sumo wrestler from Hawaii got into trouble today

    pushing his neighbor after the guy complained

    Konishiki’s dog pooped on his apartment yard complex.

    That could be a big push…


  31. Couch potato December 14, 2011 9:06 am

    Garret, from what i read regarding usc’s schollies:

    “In 2010-2011, 55 percent of the incoming class was female. Because of this, USC must offer more athletic scholarships for women.”

    PolyMom, i agree that lacrosse is an upcoming sport on the west coast but according to usc assistant athletic director Donna Heinel, they needed a spring sport that could be played on a field that they wouldn’t have to build something new. Lacrosse fit that sport. yeah, they would love to have softball but due to lack of facilities, lacrosse is it.

  32. Couch potato December 14, 2011 9:09 am

    congrats to Kanani Danielson, Emily Hartong, and Brittany Hewitt for being named to the AVCA 1st, 2nd, and honorable mention teams respectively.

    way to go NA WAHINE!

    go get ’em in sand!

  33. SteveM December 14, 2011 9:09 am

    Good morning everyone!

    …and recruiting and the (Warrior) Beat goes on…

  34. Kekoa December 14, 2011 9:16 am

    Everybody needs a good Buzz every once in awhile.

  35. mikey December 14, 2011 9:21 am

    Morn’g it’s Chow time yet?

  36. papajoe2 December 14, 2011 9:24 am

    Seemed to me that the current coaches just wasn’t on the same page, therefore the team looked unorganized. If we keep the same coaches, or maybe I should say hire a hc from within, I think as soon as there are a difference of opinion, then the same thing could happen again. I would like to see a coach from the outside, to see something different as far as coaching practices, game preperation, halftime adjustments, etc.. I still like a variation of the pass, but maybe add a little more running plays. An occasional tight end. Occcasional 2 running backs. I don’t think we’ve seen an end run since the JJ regime started. In JJ’s first year, one of his first recruits, an O lineman, said that UH only had 6 running plays. After, say 13 years, it starts to look old. Imagine what the opponent coaches see. Same thing + even more than we see as far as preparation against us. Maybe that’s why we lose a majority of the 3rd quaters. During halftime, the opponent coaches notice that we are doing the same things as previous years with just a little tweeks, so they adjust and kick out butts. Even the weaker WAC teams seem to come out in the 2nd half and kick out butts.

  37. mikey December 14, 2011 9:24 am

    My Top #1 list for UH head coaching position is one and only Norm Chow:

    He is bar non should be on Top of anyone’s list and here’s why:

    Norm Chow has been OC since 1996 that’s total of 16 years with BYU, NC State, USC, Tenn. Titans NFL, UCLA and Utah.

    Norm Chow has won the Broyles Award as the nation’s Top NCAA assistant coach.

    NCAA Division 1-A OC of the Year by American Football Monthly and the National Assistant Coach of the Year by the American Football Foundation.

    Norm Chow is known for developing NFL QB such as Jim McMahon Chicago Bears, Steve Young SF 49ers, Ty Detmer Green Bay, Philip Rivers SD Chargers, Carson Palmer Cincinnati Bengles and Matt Leinart Houston Texans (Colt Brennon high school team mate).

    He was the finalist to replace June Jones and should have been.

    If Norm Chow was hired back then we won’t be going though all of this now.

    The only reason I see that he is not hired as a head coach anywhere is ‘He’s Asian’

    Ohh now I’ve said it. But where can he get a chance but back at home where he started in Waialua (my school). Now if you can Win in Waialua Football program, you can win anywhere.

    Now Go get Chow. It’s Chow Time!

    and Go Warriors!

  38. Derek December 14, 2011 9:30 am

    Niumatalolo makes $1.5 million + incentives. If Miano gets the job he’ll make around $500,000. Is Niumatalolo a better coach. You never know unless you have an opportunity to show what you can do. Kenny got the chance. Good for him. Maybe Miano needs somebody who is key in the selection committee to believe in him if he’s the best person to move the program into the MWC and make it better. One thing Kenny did is that he showed Hawaii born head coaches can do good job in college football.

  39. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 9:31 am

    Maybe too old school, but I don’t like the idea of players walking back to the huddle or to the sidelines during the game. In the old days, if you walk, you will see the pine. Same with players not looking at a coach in the eye when being spoken to. Maybe it’s just me.

  40. Couch potato December 14, 2011 9:33 am

    i don’t think they use the word “hustle” anymore.

  41. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 9:33 am

    Talked with a few friends who are long time season ticket holders. They have varied opinions. Some like Miano because of his energy (seen when he is signaling plays etc.), others like Chow and Akina for name recognition and experience in the “big league”. So many opinions. What a tough job JD has.

  42. mikey December 14, 2011 9:34 am

    I hear Kenny Niumatalolo was contacted by Penn State.

    But that will be a tough act to follow.

    Staying at Navy will be much more at ease.

  43. Couch potato December 14, 2011 9:36 am

    jd has the easy job. he just needs to pick a hc. the hc has the tougher job.

  44. al December 14, 2011 9:40 am

    so, only a handful of colleges are without a football coach. of course, we would be in this last grouping, this is hawaii, we do things slowly.

    i wonder who’ll get a coach first…us or penn state?

  45. al December 14, 2011 9:41 am

    42…today both navy and niumatalolo denied any contact by penn state.

  46. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 9:41 am

    I don’t know if this is a good analogy, but there are both pros and cons of staying in one place for your entire career. Take the local TV news here. Joe Moore has worked his entire career here in Hawaii (KGMB, now KHON) and moved from sports to news. Say what you want about JM, but I believe that KHON is still the top rated news. You have others who have gone away and worked on the mainland, some even at the network level like Lara Yamada (KITV), Keahi Tucker & Teri Okita (KGMB) and are very capable news people/journalists. I like also watching Paula Akana (KITV) who has worked all of her career here at home. I also like Shawn Ching.

    Anyway, makes for an interesting dialog/debate on whether you need to go elsewhere to gain viable experience in order to be successful once returning home.

  47. Pomai December 14, 2011 9:41 am

    mikey there is a reason that Chow has never been a HC and it isn’t because he is Asian, thnik about it.

  48. mikey December 14, 2011 9:43 am

    Better be us al.

    Penn State is a Hard seat to sell.

    with all the Hard stories still hanging around

  49. al December 14, 2011 9:43 am

    i would think that those potential hires that were contacted by the committee and/or jd may have an inside track.

    mark banker

    dirk koetter

    kalani sitake

    for example.

  50. al December 14, 2011 9:46 am

    mikey…two ways to look at the penn state job.

    one, tough act to follow, joe pa

    two, all the crap going on there

    three, how to spend all that money they will dangle at you.

  51. mikey December 14, 2011 9:47 am

    I see that, DeRuyter named Fresno State’s next coach

  52. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 9:47 am

    Kalani Sitake would be a very interesting hire. The question is, has he applied. The Salt Lake Tribune says no. I think he’s at a point in his career where he should consider becoming a HC.

  53. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 9:48 am

    If Miano doesn’t get the job, will that mean he won’t be coming back? Would the new head coach want to hire someone who was competing for his position in this cut throat arena?

  54. d1shima December 14, 2011 9:48 am

    Listened to BC (yes, I occasionally still do that) this morning during his discussion with a writer from LA. They wandered from the main topic to a discussion about why Bob Wagner (w/Paul Johnson) and The Former Coach were motivated to bringing the Spread Option and the R&S, respectively, to Hawaii. It basically boiled down to taking the available talent that Hawaii can get and using it in a system that allows them to compete against bigger, faster, more prototypical “NFL-bound” opponents.

    Regardless of the selection that comes out of this process, no one will be able to physically move Hawaii any closer to the mainland and will still have many of the same recruiting challenges. That said, whoever the next HC is will need to be able to structure his system around that fact.

    One favorite candidate has a track record of success that depends, IMO, on being the guy with the NFL talent at his disposal. Maybe it would be a good idea to see what was accomplished when the talent level was even or maybe a little in favor of the other guys.

  55. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 9:51 am

    It’s who you know if you want a job…


  56. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 9:51 am

    Old School Dave:

    For certain jobs it’s alright to stay at home… but if your job entails connecting with people all over the USA and possibly the world, maybe.. just maybe, it would be good to go out and spend some time, quality time, with these people in the real world and not just through texts and phone. Build solid bonds of friendship, trust, and communications that becomes part of your network.

  57. bigislandkurt December 14, 2011 9:52 am

    Like Coach Mack, Cavanaugh is a loveable asst. coach who has never been a head coach. We’d be rolling the dice once again wouldn’t we? But then again, there’s a number of candidates on the list who are asst. coaches who have never been head man. I just can’t tell you how loveable they were. πŸ™‚


  58. bigislandkurt December 14, 2011 9:53 am

    Without a new coach named, how can a mid-year person realistically make his mind up about UH?


  59. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 9:54 am

    Former Hawaii Sportscaster Paul Guanzon on how to get a job in broadcasting:

    “It not politics. It’s who you know.”

    That was caught by national sports news (saw it in Sports Illustrated). Guanzon later denies having said that, though.

  60. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 9:55 am


    Great SCOTT! The selection out of Hawaii isn’t even American … but congrats to the Aussie, anyway!

  61. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 9:56 am

    Hint.. look all the way down the list… second team..special teams..

  62. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 9:58 am

    Dick Tomey once made a funny comment about Paul Guanzon. After being named the new UH HC, Tomey remarked that he liked Guanzon because it was nice to be around another guy like himself who didn’t know what the hell he was doing.

  63. jm2375 December 14, 2011 10:04 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Hope everyone is staying dry.

    Congrats to Kanani, Emily Hartong & Brittney! WTG!

    Congrats to Mr. Harding!

    Heard Charlie Wade on the BC show today. He’s got an eye on an Israeli player. Hope the NCAA doesn’t get in the way…

  64. LizKauai (Old School) December 14, 2011 10:18 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!

    Ditto on the VB congrats!!!

    Go big or stay home could be GO BIG AND STAY HOME…

    Me, I love a finesse game. In all the *.sports


  65. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 10:22 am

    So, umn…

    When does spring practice start?

  66. A-House December 14, 2011 10:26 am


    I agree with you that theree seemed to be a lack of adjustment by UH in the 2nd half –

    how come UH coaches cannot do the same thing – adjust – make changes

    they should NOT be so arrogant that the RNS will score points so “why, me worry”?

  67. A-House December 14, 2011 10:28 am


    that’s impressive, but if so, why no HC position?

  68. A-House December 14, 2011 10:32 am


    perhaps in our day it was like that – today, as society evolves, so do the coach/player interaction, but there is a feeling of disrespect!

    don’t say this is good/better, but I prefer to look um in da eye – heck that’s what they teach in instructor training – always maintain eye contact with your audience.

  69. al December 14, 2011 10:34 am

    36, 67…i, too felt that we were poor in 2nd half adjustments. if you recall the worst case scenarios were whenever we had a lead we would squander the leads because we deviated from the game plan and played not to lose.

    had we kept up an aggressive pace offensively we could have won at least three more games this year and two the year before and three each of the first two years of the mack era.

    defensively, the team often looked confused as to what sets we were running. that 425 page defensive playbook was too much for any level of play and yet we never adjusted.

    i have heard this from very reliable birdies as well as from observations.

    i am confident the new regime will correct a lot of these areas.

  70. A-House December 14, 2011 10:37 am


    Scientists say that about 1-1.2 million years Kauai will hit Japan – now imagine the recruting problems for Warrior football!!!!!!

  71. A-House December 14, 2011 10:40 am


    technology dictates that you can stay home and conduct most of your business – all you need to do is take mini-trips to meet your technology counterparts – no need live away!

  72. PolyMom December 14, 2011 10:42 am

    @couch potato– they are so full of it at USC. They got Millions of dollars for their sports programs. Someone just donated 150M to their athletic program a few months ago. They are just sissies there. They could build a softball field as they have tons of money. They got room for LaCrosse they got room for softball field. The new Heritage Hall they are building is going to be awesome!

    Mikey I agree with you about Norm Chow! He would be the first Asian American college football Coach. And yes he has been discriminated against. It is just Uncle Norm would never vocally use the race card to get a job. He just has to much class. Guys like Charlie Strong played that game until he got a Head Coaching job. So to answer Pomai’s question…YES there is still discrimination against Asians and other races. Look at Coaches who have no Poly players? Why? They think Poly players are lazy in school. That is the reason. I know that for fact!

  73. mcb December 14, 2011 10:43 am

    Since DeRUyter announced as Fresno state coach, will Randy Shannon be applying here?

  74. Capitolist/WassupDoc December 14, 2011 10:45 am


    I agree with your #70 comment. That is what happens in any business or profession when change takes place.

  75. ai-eee-soos December 14, 2011 10:56 am

    re: 70


    December 14th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    36, 67…i, too felt that we were poor in 2nd half adjustments.


    … defensively, the team often looked confused as to what sets we were running.

    *** that 425 page defensive playbook was too much for any level of play *** and

    yet we never adjusted.

    425 page play book – I don’t think Buddy Ryan / ’85 Chi Bears needed anything like that.

  76. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 10:57 am

    Gratz to the Wahine Volleyball honorees. Hard to imagine a Wahine team without Kanani.

    Futher, congrats to the world’s best Australian college football kick returner. He’s only going to get better with experience.

  77. d1shima December 14, 2011 10:57 am


    But more importantly, will you still be renewing your season tickets then? πŸ˜†

  78. d1shima December 14, 2011 10:58 am

    If Hawaii had players like the ’85 Bears it wouldn’t matter if there was a playbook or not.

  79. ai-eee-soos December 14, 2011 11:00 am

    74.mcb: December 14th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Since DeRUyter announced as Fresno state coach, will Randy Shannon be applying here?

    Nah – I don’t think so; poor fit. He’s BIG time. We are WAC/MWC. waste time.

  80. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 11:05 am

    I’d have trouble with just a 25 page playbook πŸ™‚

  81. Don Weir December 14, 2011 11:06 am


    UCLA is a four letter word

    All UC schools share what colors??

    USC Fight On!!

  82. mauiwarrior December 14, 2011 11:08 am

    hope randy shannon doesn’t apply here……..

  83. ai-eee-soos December 14, 2011 11:09 am

    # 82… right now – black n blue.

  84. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 11:11 am

    Too much high tech stuff with regards to coaching. If it makes your job easier, then fine. If it’s just cool, then…… I like the old green or black chalk boards. Coaches would sometimes get worked up and punch a hole through it. Woody Hayes once did that and his hand got stuck so he walked out of the locker room with part of a chalkboard in tow. Can’t do that with a white board, though.

  85. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 11:11 am

    Howzit mauiwarrior! Nice to see your posts. How’s erryting?

  86. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 11:14 am


    I wanna know.. how are all our Warriors doing with/after their surgeries? How’s Iosefa’s knees?

  87. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 11:16 am

    Reading Tsai’s article on Lavaka, I am reminded of a great d tackle who will be graduating – Vaughn Meatoga. They both are very comitted to their families. Guys like that generally make good players. Vaughn was awesome, we’ll miss him next year.

  88. WarriorNY December 14, 2011 11:17 am

    What kind of offense would Norm Chow run here? West Coast offense right?

    The reason I don’t like Chow is because I saw nothing special in the UCLA, Utah and Tennesse Titans teams where’s he’s been most recently. After running the exciting R&S for the past 12 years, would Hawaii fan base like the change to the more conventional offense?

    I really think we need to keep the run n shoot. It brings attention to our QB’s & WR’s because we are always statistically up there in the nation with passing stats.

  89. PolyMom December 14, 2011 11:20 am

    WarriorNY Chow called the plays Neuihsal wanted. Wad nor given the freedom like USC.

  90. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 11:24 am

    My concern is… what is the longest stint that Norm Chow has had in the past decade? Does he have staying power.

  91. A-House December 14, 2011 11:26 am


    yep, will do, BUT may chose not to attend game(s)!

  92. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 11:34 am

    Pitch to Ostrowski. Dive to Iosefa/Jackson. Visions of Dane McArthur and Heikoti Fakava. Bob Wagner had the right idea in going with an offense that fit the type of personnel UH could recruit.

    When June Jones came here, he said that with his R & S offense, UH would automatically attract the Jim Kelly/Jeff George type of passers and the Randy Moss/TO type of receivers.

  93. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 11:37 am



  94. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 11:37 am

    Norm Chow has his detractors. Have to give him credit for the work he did this season with the Utah backup QB after the starter went down. They won something like 5 games in the second half of the season. The backup was headed to Nebraska-Omaha, but they dropped football, so he ended up at Utah. Chow has a reputation of being a grouch, much like George Lumpkin.

  95. Couch potato December 14, 2011 11:39 am

    the envelope please.

  96. A-House December 14, 2011 11:41 am


    I would like to see more diversity/creativity in play calling and much more mis-direction/qb option/RB pass (heck, Iosefa was a great HS QB in American Samoa) to create more interest for fans and perhaps increased enthusiasm by players – don’t forget a defense’s coaches nite mares preparing for UH.

  97. A-House December 14, 2011 11:47 am


    and, are we still waiting?

    my thought all these years has been if the RNS was so great, why no 4 or 5* QBs, WRs, OL types?

    “where have all the flowers gone”?

    perhaps to other schools who run a “modified” RNS system such as Texas Tech or Houston – “smash mouth football” maybe alive only in the Big 10

  98. LizKauai (GO WARRIORS!) December 14, 2011 11:52 am

    Ditto re Vaughn Meatoga… special young man from a very special family.

  99. 808Bowler December 14, 2011 12:05 pm

    Afternoon everybody. Gut feeling miano gets the job. But think they should give rush a shot with rolo being the ubderstudy and take over when he retires. Or would like to see oc from oregon apply. But ya jd boy tough job but he’s the right guy to do it.

  100. d1shima December 14, 2011 12:10 pm

    Interesting points to consider for any team who is making systematic changes.

    Every system requires you to have certain skills to be effective. A transition from one scheme to the other reduces everyone’s effectiveness. The old saying is that changing your offense makes all your seniors freshmen.


  101. d1shima December 14, 2011 12:16 pm

    Those who watched the Army-Navy game probably noticed different looks especially from Navy to disguise their base attacks.

    In other words, the service academies are running a pro-style, multiple-formation, heavily game-planned, option offense.


  102. d1shima December 14, 2011 12:18 pm

    Surprising heir by Mike Leach at Wazzu?

    One interesting note from the hiring and firing that occupies college football fans for the better part of the holiday season is the hiring of former Nevada and UCLA assistant Jim Mastro by Washington State. Mastro is schooled in the pistol offense, a run-first attack known for cranking out 1,000 yard rushers with regularity.


  103. d1shima December 14, 2011 12:19 pm



  104. WarriorNY December 14, 2011 12:20 pm


    Interesting read… Thanks for posting…

  105. Gumby December 14, 2011 12:20 pm

    Miano or June Jones gets the job.

  106. Gumby December 14, 2011 12:20 pm

    Miano or June Jones gets the job.

  107. Dre December 14, 2011 12:26 pm

    The Run N Shoot has helped keep Hawaii competing for a conference title the past 10 years… UH does not get the players needed to run a pro-style offense. If they were trying to run a system like USC, they would’ve been perennial bottom feeders the past decade. This is also the era of the spread offense in college football… systems like the spread (and R&S) is what gives these mid-major caliber schools a chance to win and compete with some of the big boys.

  108. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 12:26 pm

    Gumby –

    Why do you say June Jones? My understanding is he isn’t even on the radar. Do you know something we don’t know? Just curious.

  109. Dre December 14, 2011 12:30 pm

    ^they also lost 3 WRs, and a starting HB to the NFL…. all of which were drafted and made their teams. We’re talking like 80% of their offensive production… there is promise in young guys like Trevor Davis, but clearly the offense didn’t have that same kind of talent this year.

  110. WarriorNY December 14, 2011 12:30 pm


    Agree Completely…

  111. d1shima December 14, 2011 12:31 pm


    I like the sites there for the comments almost as much as the main posts.

    If a team’s “identity” is entirely predicated on having better athletes than the opposition and isn’t rooted in an overarching philosophy or a “decided schematic advantage” (to borrow a phrase from somebody…pompous), then that leaves the program especially vulnerable to a drop off in recruiting and/or failures in evaluation. I lived this in watching the Longhorns over the past decade. Mack Brown’s philosophy basically boils down to this: Step 1–Recruit superior athletes, Step 3–PROFIT!. When the roster has a selection of players like Cedric Benson, Jamal Charles, Vince Young, Brian Orakpo, and Earl Thomas this works fine (most of the time).


  112. d1shima December 14, 2011 12:38 pm

    On the subject of superior talent


  113. Gumby December 14, 2011 12:41 pm

    #109 Don’t think there is validity to this but I heard on BC show (by a caller) this morning that there is discussion somewhere to buy out JJ’s contract at SMU so that he can come back to UH. If that is true, then JJ becomes a serious candidate. If not, it’s a moot point. Who knows what is really going on. There are so many pros and cons to each coaching candidate. I’m trusting, just like everyone else, that JD, the committee and the other powers that be will make the best decision. From there, it is up to us fans, the university and even the state government to work together and support the football program into being what we all hope and know it can be. Anyways, I read everybody’s posts and have posted a few times. This has been an awesome way for me to get an idea of what is going on with UH football–the community heartbeat, fan support, etc. Thanks to ST and all the usual people who post. There are many like me who read what you all write in this blog. Thanks for letting me share my comments.

  114. d1shima December 14, 2011 12:43 pm

    The 25 best CFB coaching jobs in America. (no need look if you looking for Hawaii)


  115. Old Diver December 14, 2011 12:51 pm


    Rich Miano has taken the approach that as a recruit you are coming here for the UH experience. You are coming here because Hawaii is a special place. You are coming here for a great education. For those reasons you are coming here regardless of who is head coach.This is the same approach the USC’s, Notre Dames and the like take. Notice USC didn’t lose recruits when Pete Carroll left. Miano trying to change the message that you are settling when you decide to come here. He is thinking big.

    Rich is also changing the message that UH is a stepping stone place to coach. He believes UH should not settle for a coach who feels that way. In his own words “This is a destination” job. As fans we should not settle for that stepping stone guy.

  116. Curt December 14, 2011 12:52 pm

    With all the head and assistant coaches being cut loose in the NFL and college ranks, you would think one or two of them would entertain an offer from UH. Could there be such a candidate? Hmmm.

  117. Old Diver December 14, 2011 12:57 pm


    Good points. Like I said a couple days ago. If an offensive guy is named HC he will bring in something other than a R&S. I am talking about the likely choices.(not the juco coach). If a defensive guy is chosen HC we will probably go to with a ball control offense. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Only chance we will be running the R&S IMO is if Rich Miano is the choice.

  118. Curt December 14, 2011 12:59 pm

    Return of the Jedi. Would JJ even consider coming back? We don’t pay enough and haven’t performed poorly enough to give him the challenge that he wants.

  119. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 1:02 pm

    Time to move on.. not look back. Got to get some fresh blood into our coaching staff.. Shake up the seniority… I think we were seriously on the brink of stagnation.

  120. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:08 pm

    no matter the hc. no matter the offense. just win babes. that’s the bottom line.

    and the oscar goes to…

  121. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 1:11 pm

    MIH: Agree with you. Change is good from time to time. Failure to change = certain death/failure. New injection of ideas, philosophies, motivation, accountability, shake up things for the better. Not good to get too comfortable in your settings.

  122. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:14 pm

    clutch moments, my kingdom for clutch moments. 2007 had plenty clutch moments. this year, not much.

  123. papajoe2 December 14, 2011 1:14 pm

    Dick Tomey came back and what happened?

  124. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:16 pm

    he created great expectations for special teams.

  125. Kevin December 14, 2011 1:20 pm

    Yeah I can see it now…

    UH buys out Jones’ SMU deal to come back.

    Jones states he had ANOTHER spiritual realization and after crying to sleep about it he’ll claim “God wanted him at UH”.

  126. Dan-O December 14, 2011 1:20 pm

    Old Diver….that’s ALL that the current coaches can sell to the recruits. With no HC hired, and uncertainty of the remainder of the staff, HAWAII is now the sell.

    But I agree with BIK…..how can a kid commit when you dont even know who your coach is going to be???

  127. 808Bowler December 14, 2011 1:22 pm

    Yup just win and all doubters go away.

  128. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:23 pm

    i can’t picture the coaches making a frenetic home visit. residents may see this as lunatics in the neighborhood. cars making screeching stops in driveways. dogs barking. burning rubber leaving for next destination. looks amped on ice.

  129. Musashi December 14, 2011 1:28 pm

    Re: #109 . . . I think this is not very likely. FWIW, apparently in addition to the “spiritual revelation,” JJ has been quoted in the media since the ASU debacle that the SMU job is going to be his last coaching stop . . .

  130. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:29 pm

    if God was to intervene on uh’s behalf, i don’t think he would send jj. God would make uh a 51% stockholder in walmart and exxonmobil.

  131. Musashi December 14, 2011 1:29 pm

    Whoops, sorry. Re: 114, NOT #109 . . . Sorry.

  132. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:34 pm

    sensually yours still has their 1/2 of deal. too embarrassed to enter the store. i’ll stick to online purchases. only my mailman knows.

  133. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:35 pm

    of = off.

    ummm, go committee!

  134. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 1:36 pm

    Recruit doesn’t really know if the person recruiting him is going to be around next season…UNLESS…and I don’t want to believe the “UNLESS”…

  135. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 1:37 pm

    couch potato…

    Yeah.. my mailman tells me all the scoops regarding the neighbor’s mails…. funny stuff…

  136. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 1:39 pm

    couch potato..

    Whoah …what you got against Walmart and Exxon Mobile that you want to see them go out of business?

  137. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:43 pm

    madeinhawaii, 😯

    not all recruits can take a wait and see approach. the uh offer may be the only viable one on the table.

  138. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:47 pm

    madeinhawaii, sell sell sell. then uh will have buku billions to play with.

  139. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 1:54 pm

    As long as UH don’t get involved in the day-to-day operations of those companies, you mean…

    I suppose the recruits also know that a verbal isn’t binding. If they don’t like the final coach selection and assistant coaches that are retained, they can change their minds up until LOI day.

  140. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:55 pm

    make a deal with activision and create a call of duty WARRIOR edition. nothing to do with football, just package the “H” logo (decals, shirt) in the game package and make the gamers earn an “H” acheivement in the game. just another way to market the WARRIORS through the millions of call of duty gamers out there.

    or get a WARRIOR edition kid’s meal from mcdonalds. different bobbing head variants or mini action figures in various poses.

  141. Derek December 14, 2011 1:56 pm

    Come On, Man! June Jone won’t ever come back to be Head Coach at the University of Hawaii. He will pay his dues at SMU or at another college or NFL where he can rake in the cash until he decides to either retire or get fired. He will return to Hawaii and see the sunset at Hokulia on the Big Island where he will live and golf, etc. while returning to Honolulu often to help the University of Hawaii football team in any capacity he can, including fundraising, speaking engagements, coaching clinics, and volunteering his time to help any coach including high school coaches. Stop It!!!!!

    P.S. Eonatoa, eonatoa! This is battle. You must respond.

  142. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 1:57 pm

    So now, Akron, Hawaii, and Southern Miss are the only teams without head coaches, eh?

  143. Couch potato December 14, 2011 1:57 pm

    madeinhawaii, like i mentioned some recruits don’t have the luxury of waiting till LOI day to change their minds. the schollie offer from the other school could be pulled.

  144. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 1:59 pm

    UH should be putting updates and feeding little bits of info on a regular basis through their twitter account. That would get fans to sign on and follow and then they would have a vehicle to advertise and promote.

    Oh, but then…

  145. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 2:00 pm


    Unless, UH Hilo starts a football program, eh?

  146. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 2:01 pm

    JJ, Mac and Wagner.. on the Big Island, getting the fledgling football team off the ground and flying.

  147. anklebiters December 14, 2011 2:08 pm

    The word around here on the Todd Graham as HC for ASU is: WHO ❓ ❓

    A 6-6 record in his lone year at Pittsburgh…I wonder how long he’ll stay since this will be his fourth stop since 2006. OC Noel Mazzone has left for UCLA, that’s a shame, as I thought he was suited for their offense and would stay. Graham is bring his OCs and DCs with him.

    Hiring JJ probably would have been the better choice, this even from the fans who opposed hiring JJ in the first place…..be careful what you wish for…

  148. A.M. December 14, 2011 2:10 pm

    Latest revelation: Madam Pele appeared in Junes Jones dream last nite & told him that he will be on fire if he doesn’t return to make amends for leaving Hawaii in a lurch.

  149. Pomai December 14, 2011 2:13 pm

    So when does season ticket sales start???? If I was UHAD I would have them start to sell them the day after the last game.

  150. A-joe December 14, 2011 2:13 pm

    73. PolyMom

    …Look at Coaches who have no Poly players? Why? They think Poly players are lazy in school. That is the reason. I know that for fact!

    PolyMom, This is a serious accusation. Can you elaborate on your comment further? Who are these coaches and what programs abide by these practices? These actions, if true, cannot be tolerated and condoned in this day and age!

  151. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 2:17 pm


    Your frame is almost completed.. just gotta wait for the rain to stop so I can cut your acrylic to size… grrr…

  152. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 2:24 pm

    What a strange season it’s been…

    Congrats to Scott Harding for making the Freshman All-American (second)Team…

    Hope some of our seniors get a good look from the next level!

    Congrats to all the Seniors graduating this December and next May…

  153. Pomai December 14, 2011 2:26 pm

    MIH ALRIGHT just let me know.

  154. Derek December 14, 2011 2:33 pm

    Any prior Head Coach who is applying for the job probably means that that person was released for fired from their former jobs. That’s par for the course in college football, the NFL, the NBA, and MLB too. At some point, teams have to decide to hire somebody new who does not have Head Coaching job, to give assistants with real life work experience to get promoted. That is what happens in organizations to develop their people and then promote those who have excelled at their jobs and can be leaders or managers of peope.

    If somebody who is selected as the Head Coach who is an assistant coach, I don’t have a problem with that. I say give them a chance to see what he can do. We will know soon enough if the decision is right. I think UH was very happy when they selected Dick Tomey who was an assistant at UCLA before he went to Arizona. I think the Green Bay Packers were happy when they got Vince Lombardi who was an assistant coach with the NY Giants and asst. coach at Fordham and Army. I think Boise St. was happy when they promoted Chris Peterson from Off. Coordinator to Head Coach. Real Happy!!!! There are many such success stories like that. To prove it if somebody can do the job, somebody have to give that person a chance.

    What bothers me sometimes is that Boise St. is so good. I mean, I don’t see why UH can’t be just as good. The difference to me is coaching, recruiting, play calling and scheming. Boise St. gets very few players from Idaho. Most of their players are from California and they get some from Washington, Texas, and, some other places. Their best player, Kellen Moore is from little Prosser, Washington a very small town in southeast Washinton known as the Tri-Cites area or Prosser, Richland, and Kennewick. Hawaii to me has more pluses than Boise St. The only minus is the distance, but nowadays it’s so easy to travel. I’ve been to Boise, several times. There is no comparison between the Honolulu and Boise, believe me.

    I’m still dumb founded at Boise’s success, but I envy them at the rate at which they are winning, even against top schools like Oklahoma, Georgia, Virginia Tech, etc. At the upcoming Las Vegas Bowl between Boise St. and Arizona State, the Broncos are favored by 14 points. I think Boise St. will win by at least 20. Moral of the story: UH can be a big winner again with the right coach and recruiting the right players, and some luck. June Jone and the 2007 team led by Colt Brennan showed that it could be done. And yes, they had the luck and they had the good karma and the right schedule. But they made it through to an undefeated season and that is the most difficult thing to do. Just the New England Patriots how hard it is to go undefeated. The GB Packers are now facing it now, as well as LSU. It’s just hard to go undefeated. Just ask the Houston Cougars.

  155. WWF December 14, 2011 2:38 pm


    Our newly selected HC should hire Keith Bhonapha away from Boise State. Bhonapha, a former GA at Hawaii and DB for the Warriors is the Bronco’s Recruiting Coordinator and RB Coach.

  156. Couch potato December 14, 2011 2:42 pm

    just realized, laney college has an asian head football coach. his name sounds asian and he looks asian.

  157. mikey December 14, 2011 2:52 pm

    We’re talking about Major college or NFL, not minor leagues coaches.

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  161. Keoni Ana December 14, 2011 2:59 pm

    If Norm Chow is really that good of a coach like what some of you have mention, WHY hasn’t noisy offered him a head coaching Gig? he’s already 64 and still not a head Coach?

  162. Keoni Ana December 14, 2011 3:00 pm

    Hawaii should hire Tim Tebow to coach – he knows how to win…

  163. LizKauai (GO WARRIORS!) December 14, 2011 3:01 pm

    #151 – I agree… that is a serious issue. More details, pls!

  164. mikey December 14, 2011 3:02 pm

    Well said Derek

    And I second that on Boise

    And being there too and seen the snow top mountains.

    Guess it’s nice if you like skiing or snow boarding.

    And the people there are very nice, just like in Hawaii.

    But at least you get lei’d in Hawaii.

  165. jkjones December 14, 2011 3:03 pm

    Hawaii has long been recognized as first-time Head Coachville.

    We can expect the same song to be blurted out by Koa Anuenue before Hawai’i folks sing auld lang syne to celebrate the New Year.

    That being said, CAV appears to be a leading candidate given his prior success at Hawaii and his solid relationship with Rockne Freitas (by no coincidence a Beaver alum).

    The Rock anchors this selection process, defacto and de jure.

    Jimbo and Bert each brandish a rubberstamp….and both are looking upwards these days.

    Not much fans can say unless there is a Boone Pickens in the imu with a fireproof safe full of kala.

    No doubt, CAV is a great position coach that gets his troops to execute and inspires achievement. i suspect with reason that he too, would be a relentless recruiter…but running the whole deal is another matter. Could go either way. So far, Hawaii has had mixed results in hiring first-time head coaches that have coached with training wheels.

    Von Appen and MAC come quickly to mind. We would expect more. Right?

    Dick Tomey and WAGS had their positives as did June Jones (the three took teams to national rankings).

    No doubt, UH would be out-on-a-limb if it selected CAV. Just how much depends upon the short list of comprables, due diligence and football instincts Jim Donovan and this gang of power brokers possesses outside of network politics.

    So, if tradition over the last 35 years years count–expect dots to be aligned in astrological order and expect the expected @ Manoa–a first time head-coach with a big friend in the teepee.

  166. mikey December 14, 2011 3:03 pm

    Good players don’t make Good coaches.

  167. mikey December 14, 2011 3:04 pm

    Ones that sits on the bench makes Great coaches.

  168. mikey December 14, 2011 3:07 pm

    167 and you can put Price on that list too.

  169. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 3:10 pm

    got to make sure our next head coach doesn’t rub the boosters the wrong way..

  170. Couch potato December 14, 2011 3:12 pm

    uh football had an asian head coach back in the day.

  171. al December 14, 2011 3:13 pm

    i wonder why nobody’s talking about this guy. his resume is as good as any of those on the list. plus he coached here before, he grew up here and comes from a long list of local qb brothers.


  172. A.M. December 14, 2011 3:13 pm

    Oregon’s HC, Chip Kelly for Oregon was an OC at IAA New Hampshire just before being hired at Oregon. He had no experience as a HC at the Div I or IAA level. He was relative “no name” candidate at the Div I level. What he has done in his first 3 yrs at Oregon is phenomenal – two-time PAC 10 Coach of the year, 2 Rose Bowls, 3 BCS appearances!

    Hope our search/selection committee has the wisdom to emulate a selection such as this from the +30 candidates on their plate.

  173. al December 14, 2011 3:15 pm

    jimmy asato 62-64

  174. al December 14, 2011 3:17 pm

    was he the first hc for college football of japanese ancestry?

    wasn’t tommy kaulukukui the first of hawaiian ancestry?

  175. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 3:18 pm


    If the CEO of Toyota or Time Warner will sponsor our team like Nike does Oregon, I am all for hiring someone from Div 2,3,4, high school, pop warner, McDonalds.

    Until such time, I’d prefer someone already in the Div 1A level or has some extensive experience coaching in Div 1A level.

  176. al December 14, 2011 3:18 pm

    and both were excellent players.

  177. Couch potato December 14, 2011 3:18 pm

    very good al.

  178. Couch potato December 14, 2011 3:19 pm

    no forget vasconcellos (sp).

  179. ai-eee-soos December 14, 2011 3:19 pm

    Norm Chow: In an interview with Reardon/Star Bull, I believe he said that he was

    offered the Kentucky H.C. job but turned it down. This was a while back, and I think it was

    before Rich Brooks.

    Will someone, who “knows” Reardon, give him a call, and ask him. Thanks.

    The article should be in the S-B archives.

    Also, Norm Chow interviewed for the Stanford job, but did not say if he was offered.

    He stated that he was really disappointed that Stanford had a small budget to pay the asst. coaches. Walt Harris got the job, but didn’t last long. That’s all I can remember.

  180. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 3:23 pm

    jkjones –

    Everybody is thinking it, so I’m gonna go ahead and ask it: you um, wouldn’t happen to um be um, like a uh, formerUH footballheadcoachwhoguidedHawaiitoanundefeatedseasonand BCSbowlgamewouldyou?!

    Sorry for blurting out that last part, I’m very excitable about head coaches at Hawaii who coach undefeated teams and place them in a BCS bowl.

  181. Couch potato December 14, 2011 3:24 pm

    chris paul going to la.

  182. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 3:24 pm

    jkj –

    I forgot to add, that’s a great post you made above. πŸ™‚

  183. mikey December 14, 2011 3:25 pm

    Asian coaches only in Hawaii.

    More the reason to get Chow.

    Only in Hawaii

  184. Couch potato December 14, 2011 3:27 pm

    Da Punchbowl Kid, i wasn’t thinking jkjones was the jj you thinking. i was thinking that is someone like warriorsun.

  185. Pride. December 14, 2011 3:28 pm

    Todd Graham is full of it. Told the Pitt players that he is committed to bringing a National championship to the city. Asked for a committment from the players, and fleed for the dollars signs when they were presented. Don’t like coaches who aren’t committed, and use schools as stepping stones.

  186. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 3:32 pm


    What are your thoughts about Rocky Seto?

    He seemed to be an up and coming coach…kinda the “next” Norm Chow on the other side of the ball.

    When he was at USC, I thought he would make a great HC in 5-10 years.

  187. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 3:34 pm

    186 –

    Dint think it was, and you might be right, but like I said, at least somebody asked right? BTW- According to Tsai, *the* JJ is a daily reader of the WB.

    Hi JJ, from the land of aloha!

  188. PIAA DS December 14, 2011 3:35 pm

    #151 – I work with college coaches all over the country and frankly, that statement is bull. There are more Poly players playing in college than ever before, the numbers have been rising steadily for 10 years. Couple of facts 1) Most East Coast schools dont recruit West. They dont have to, they have Florida and recruit from Texas, on occasion from Cali. I have spoken to coaches from Pitt, Clemson, Maryland, Boston College, Florida State – even Urban Meyer who always recruited Polys when he was in Utah, told me ‘I just dont need to go that far anymore to recruit’. It has absolutely nothing to do with a player being polynesian. 2) Coaches say there is a big difference between California/Hawaii and Samoa Polys. The Cali ones are often thugs (not my opinion, but what I hear from colleges) while the Hawaii and Samoa ones are in general really good kids. 3) It costs a lot of money to recruit Hawaii and Samoa. Most colleges won’t come to Hawaii to recruit one player – unless he has the talent level of Manti. (which is great for UH!). If they play UH, the colleges recruit here. If they have a group of athletes they are looking at, they will come from the MWC, WAC. Then there is the Pac12. 10 years ago, those schools rarely came out. Now they come in droves. And its not because they are lazy, its because they good players and technically sound – and great kids. When we have a good class coming up, like 2013, the coaches just come pouring in. I’ve never, ever heard a general statement ‘lazy in the classroom’ or ‘lazy on the field’ specifically for polynesians. Never.

  189. RedZone December 14, 2011 3:36 pm

    come back JJ.

  190. Kevin December 14, 2011 3:39 pm

    Most people in athletics themselves don’t wanna be the next (fill in blank), they’d prefer to be the FIRST (fill in blank).

    MUCH better to be the FIRST something then the next OLD something from the PAST.

    Not interested in seeing the NEXT Colt Brennan, Kolten Wong, AC Carter, Kanani Danielson, Brooke Wilkins, or BJ Itoman as much as looking forward to new times and new milestones and accomplishments.

  191. ai-eee-soos December 14, 2011 3:39 pm

    Duane Akina – NO THANKS. Go ask Wagner why.

  192. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 3:39 pm

    As Hugh Yoshida learned the hard way…you don’t put ‘friends’ in the head coaching position for football. Too many fans and way too much money is involved.

  193. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 3:41 pm

    If we hire Norm Chow, do we get the guy who is here to retire or get the guy who is out the prove the college world that he’s more than just a good OC?

    I would like a guy who is not just committed but has the energy and drive to work as hard if not harder than any of the assistants to succeed.

    Can you imagine a Norm Chow who has experience and name recognition combined with a youth-like HUNGER to succeed and win?

    It all depends…

  194. d1shima December 14, 2011 3:43 pm

    Thanks PIAA DS.

  195. tommui December 14, 2011 3:43 pm

    AL #175 – the fondest memory I have of Jimmy Asato was in a game at the Old Stadium – muddy field. I recall Jimmy was tackled on our 15 or so yard line but skidded to around the 40-45 before his knee touched the ground.

    tommy kaulukukui – I had him as my PT teacher at UH; knew him not only as a football coach but also as a U.S. Marshal.

    His son Tommy Jr. is one terrific person too!

  196. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 3:43 pm

    Norm Chow is 65? I’d think he would be here to make his final stand.. a final legacy as a head coach and to try to get enough years in one place to collect some additional retirement bonuses.

  197. mikey December 14, 2011 3:44 pm

    You can tweet June here: http://twitter.com/coachjunejones

    He says he’s happy at SMU but He’ll be happier walking in Hawaiian sands.

  198. Kevin December 14, 2011 3:45 pm

    I think the misguided assumption that all football players are academically lazy just because they are football players (no matter the ethnicity) is more prevalent than certain ethnicities of football players being academically lazy.

  199. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 3:45 pm

    Even when he’s smiling he looks unhappy. Weird.

  200. Haleakala December 14, 2011 3:45 pm

    Todd Graham is a rotten banana in the eyes of the people at Pitt. He leaves after one year and didn’t even have the decency to meet with his players to tell them that he is leaving for ASU. ASU got what they deserved after dumping JJ. At least Pitt can say good riddance and they probably will sue him since he didn’t fulfill his contract. The following is a quote from their in-house attorney.

    “Obviously this is not the way we would have expected Mr. Graham to handle any possible departure,” Pitt executive vice chancellor and general counsel Jerry Cochran said. “Beyond normal expectations with respect to professional conduct, he has failed to comply with the terms of his contract.”

  201. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 3:47 pm

    Tenn and Pitt fans should go out for coffee sometime.

  202. d1shima December 14, 2011 3:47 pm

    Chow would need to coach here until he’s 75 to pad his retirement. 😯

  203. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 3:48 pm

    His middle initial is S anyway… πŸ˜‰

  204. mikey December 14, 2011 3:48 pm

    Joe Paterno will be 85 years young next Monday.

    Norm Chow will have another 20 years of coaching the Warriors.

    It’s Chow time Now.

    going to get some dinner.

  205. d1shima December 14, 2011 3:50 pm

    *off topic*

    Who actually parties like the folks on those Heineken and Hilfiger commercials?

  206. LizKauai (GO WARRIORS!) December 14, 2011 3:51 pm

    PIAA DS: Mahalo!

  207. d1shima December 14, 2011 3:51 pm

    Comparing your candidate to Joe Pa and his tenure at PSU? Not a good idea right now.

  208. Kevin December 14, 2011 3:51 pm

    Overall ethnic discrimination has decreased since the “good ole days” (sarcasm) of $.25 moon pies and $.35 movie matinees, me thinks it might be close to being completely wiped out in 15-20 years.

    Damn that’s a long time.

  209. Kevin December 14, 2011 3:53 pm


    December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    *off topic*

    Who actually parties like the folks on those Heineken and Hilfiger commercials?

    People that don’t have jobs and REAL obligations.

  210. PIAA DS December 14, 2011 3:54 pm

    #200 That used to be very very true – no matter what race – and it still is to an extent outside the football arena. Used to be ‘the dumb jock’ when there were no NCAA standards and the athletes were just pushed through classes (believe me I went to college with a lot of them, I was a tutor for the athletic department). Now there are standards to be met and most schools are doing a very good job. (most, not all) However, if you ask people who have never been athletes, dont know anything about athletics they think all athletes are dumb jocks and all athletes go to school free, both of which we know are very far from accurate.

  211. Haleakala December 14, 2011 3:58 pm


    You’re right. Kiffen and Graham came out of the same mold. They both said they got their dream job but after year they left for their next dream job. They left a bad taste in the mouths of many people. It’s a matter of trust or lack of trust.

  212. Derek December 14, 2011 4:04 pm

    174 /AM – that’s a very good one. I was going to mention Kelly but I thought he might have been a Head Coach at New Hampshire. Very good. I particularly like Oregon’s quick, very quick “Quack Attack”. I can see how the defense get worn out real fast. They is execution, of course. You gotta have some horses and some skill people who are playmakers.

  213. A.M. December 14, 2011 4:04 pm

    Finding that “Diamond” in the field of 30 plus candidates, irregardless of HC/Div IA/high profile name is the point I wanted to make w/ respect to Oregon’s HC.

    Money helps, sure, but Nike still sponsored Oregon w/ plenty moolah before Kelly came on the scene and they did not have the same success. Kelly is a “cutting edge” thinker & that’s what makes his team so hard to prepare for and beat.

    Oregon apparently did their homework & took a chance with a “no name” and won. The task at hand is for our search/selection committee to do their homework and find “The One” irrespective of name, title, friend, age, etc.

  214. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 4:04 pm

    Somebody on another forum stated that a whole bunch of news crews including Tsai, kekaula, etc. are all the football offices of UH awaiting word on something??? Maybe they have the finalists ready.

  215. tommui December 14, 2011 4:11 pm

    Kevin #210 – however, I do notice that there is a prevalent (local private) school discrimination on this web.

    No, I didn’t go to that school!

  216. d1shima December 14, 2011 4:13 pm

    WooHoo! So exciting, eh?

    …only three more days until the Gildan New Mexico Bowl! πŸ™„

  217. PIAA DS December 14, 2011 4:15 pm

    218…d1shima, hit the snooze button!

  218. d1shima December 14, 2011 4:17 pm

    Wow! Just realized that TCU is going from Pasadena to San Diego…

    expensive ride down the 405!

  219. tommui December 14, 2011 4:18 pm

    #176 AL: My wife pointed out that Tommy K also has Chinese blood and so he would have probably been the first Asian HC.

    Akina also has Chinese blood – Akina being Hawaiian for some Chinese surname – Ching?

  220. Kevin December 14, 2011 4:19 pm

    PIAA DS:

    December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    #200 That used to be very very true – no matter what race – and it still is to an extent outside the football arena. Used to be ‘the dumb jock’ when there were no NCAA standards and the athletes were just pushed through classes (believe me I went to college with a lot of them, I was a tutor for the athletic department). Now there are standards to be met and most schools are doing a very good job. (most, not all) However, if you ask people who have never been athletes, dont know anything about athletics they think all athletes are dumb jocks and all athletes go to school free, both of which we know are very far from accurate.

    What’s even more sad is that professors carry this bias. Again, some.. Not all. That can be VERY damaging as these student-athletes already have an uphill academic battle considering their schedules to work out, team meetings, road trips, etc…

    The LAST thing a student-athlete needs is a professor already putting the screws, per se, to these kids just because they participate in sports and are getting their education paid for because of sports.

    It’s funny because it seems that the professors that do carry the bias against student-athletes extend it to ALL of them no matter the sport, to a certain degree.

    Only a small percentage of any given school’s student-athletes will be able to turn pro in whatever sport they participate in so the overwhelming majority, ESPECIALLY the non-revenue women’s sports, will foster their futures in other professional fields which is WHY they are in school in the first place.

    Some professors… aren’t that bright afterall.

  221. d1shima December 14, 2011 4:22 pm

    PIAA DS,


    I know, can get up later for the Famous Idaho Potato or the R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl!

    woot woot

  222. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 4:22 pm

    If the BCS took the Gildan New Mexico Bowl or the Hormel Canned Foods Bowl and slapped the BCS title on it and put the WAC and MWC as autobids would that shut the conferences up?

  223. Curt December 14, 2011 4:25 pm

    I hope JD and the search committee are aiming high and going after candidates. Like I said earlier, there should be alot of available NFL and college coaches out there pondering their future.

    We know that Rush and Sitake have been asked to apply. But, how about your even higher profile names out there…like former NFL head coaches and coordinators? If I recall correctly, we went after JJ who was with the Chargers at that time. I don’t think JJ “applied” for the job. I just hope we’re not setting our sights too low. Maybe, we should ask JJ for some recommendations.

  224. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 4:31 pm

    Oh, the hysteria.

    I was there for football.

    The others were there to interview Gib Arnold on the basketball team’s upcoming travels.

  225. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 4:31 pm

    Hormel Canned Foods Bowl = Spam Bowl?

  226. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 4:34 pm

    “Ferd” has a copy of the “retirement agreement,” and will write a story on it for tomorrow’s paper.

    There is a no-talk-stink clause.

  227. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 4:35 pm

    I was disappointed to learn that Spam is made in Minnesota.

  228. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 4:35 pm

    Wonder if any young coach thought of entering

    a zillion good offensive and defensive plays into

    a computer which would spit out the best play

    to use in a macro-second…just by waving his

    cell phone at the opposition formation…

  229. 808Bowler December 14, 2011 4:35 pm

    Heard dirk koetter in hawaii.

  230. Curt December 14, 2011 4:36 pm

    Stephen Tsai,

    If it’s not too late, can you tweet/email JJ and see if he has recommendations from the list of available NFL and college coaches? Mahalo.

  231. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 4:36 pm

    Thanks for the clarification ST

  232. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 4:36 pm

    …or invent real “flubber”…

  233. d1shima December 14, 2011 4:37 pm

    Done already…da computah sed: the Hula-T!

  234. d1shima December 14, 2011 4:38 pm

    Upcoming travels?

    to Maui?

    Slow news day?

  235. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 4:39 pm

    No. 38:

    I bet he’d do it for $250,000.

  236. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 4:40 pm

    Actually, it’s the trip to Kona.

  237. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 4:41 pm


    Kinda funny. The Sports Animals called to find out why there was a gathering.

  238. d1shima December 14, 2011 4:42 pm

    You shoulda asked them about the crowd at Club 939! 😯

  239. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 4:42 pm

    I doubt Koetter is in Hawaii. The Jaguars play the Falcons tomorrow.

  240. Kevin December 14, 2011 4:43 pm


    Just asking why must one try to ask a former HC, that has NO interest in the UH job, nor apparently has the real commitment to his CURRENT job, about what he thinks UH should do for candidates?

  241. Buffoman December 14, 2011 4:45 pm

    ST #237

    That may make people happy that he’d do it for less but in the long run, it may backfire. If for some reason he does not pan out, it may be difficult to get another quality coach. Folks may forget about the part that he really wanted to do this and had the financial wherewithal to do it on the cheap, they’d only look at the salary and sday, wow, they’re cheap out there and don’t really care about getting a quality guy.

    UH just needs to understand that they need to play BIG to be BIG. If for some reason he is selected, they need to pay him and not go on the cheap simply because he wants to help out.

  242. 808Bowler December 14, 2011 4:47 pm

    Ya that’s what I thot but heard that on the sports animals. Dickman reported it.

  243. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 4:47 pm

    Will there be a “William Hung” special for the auditions for head coach?

    I wanna see the “funnies” who applied.

    Air that on OCSports, garanz going get plenty viewers.

  244. PIAA DS December 14, 2011 4:48 pm

    #223 d1…might have to take anothe sleeping pill and wake up later!

  245. RedZone December 14, 2011 4:48 pm

    ST coach Wade is in Israel recruiting? Do you know what player he is looking at there?

  246. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 4:48 pm


    maybe for the better he is in hawaii? juuust kidding.

  247. Curt December 14, 2011 4:49 pm


    #242 You never know. JJ knows alot of people both in the NFL and college ranks. With his connections, he may have insight on certain coaches who might be a good fit for us. Doesn’t hurt to ask, listen, and evaluate.

  248. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 4:53 pm

    Would you consider our City Hall the Frank Fasi Bldg or Honolulu Hale?

  249. d1shima December 14, 2011 4:54 pm

    Isn’t the Fasi Bldg a parking structure for bulldozers? πŸ˜† πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜›

  250. 808Bowler December 14, 2011 4:55 pm

    Ya jaguars ain’t doing that well.

  251. Don Weir (We-ah) December 14, 2011 4:55 pm

    PIAA ds

    These days the athletes are the one in the front of the classes, have the homework completed, and have the assigned reading completed, and are taking notes. This occurs in classes that are needed to complete a degree.

    Interesting to note that in the early 90’s the NCAA required CC transfers, who did not predict out of high school, to finish an AA degree prior to transfer and participating in NCAA athletics.

  252. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 4:59 pm

    After all the heat UH took over the $1.1 million, there’s no way it will ever pay that again.

    Sorry, but that’s what the people wanted.

  253. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 5:01 pm

    JJ’s gone.

    He’s not coming back.

    Sorry, but can’t marry the same person again.

  254. d1shima December 14, 2011 5:02 pm

    ….easy for you to say now that Liz Taylor is gone!

  255. d1shima December 14, 2011 5:04 pm

    So who will be there to congratulate the Seniors on Saturday?

  256. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 5:05 pm

    A lot of people didn’t like JJ when he was here.

    A lot more didn’t like him after he left.

    Well, they don’t have to worry about him anymore. He’s not coming back.

    And, by the way, UH did fire Banker once.

    Everything old is new again.

  257. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 5:06 pm


    Good one. I was going to go with that newscaster as an analogy, but I decided to be polite.

  258. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 5:07 pm

    I think we could get quality for $850,000 base with incentives that push it up over $1M.

    The majority of people won’t be upset if the coach meets/exceeds goals and then gets a big reward for it.

  259. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 5:09 pm

    A while back, Niumatalolo was a finalist for a UH job. He wasn’t selected then. He’s not available now.

  260. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 5:10 pm


    You got a quarter-million to donate? UH isn’t paying $850,000 base.

  261. Curt December 14, 2011 5:12 pm


    I wasn’t suggesting that we get JJ back. I was thinking that he may have recommendations for us. Maybe he’s aware that Bill Cowher is anxious to get back into coaching and is willing to consider a HC position at the college level. With all of his connections, I would think that he might have some ideas/recommendations.

  262. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 5:12 pm

    I don’t. But I am sure some kind and generous boosters are.

    They seem to be ok with paying for part of Shaw’s salary.

    UHAD needs to tip its hat.

  263. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 5:13 pm

    #262 Stephen Clue: We ain’t paying much.

    So that puts Miano first…

    so who’s on second?

  264. d1shima December 14, 2011 5:13 pm

    Wait. Shoulda asked this first…

    Any footballers getting their degrees on Saturday?

  265. Garret December 14, 2011 5:15 pm

    Todd Graham is full of it. Told the Pitt players that he is committed to bringing a National championship to the city. Asked for a committment from the players, and fleed for the dollars signs when they were presented. Don’t like coaches who aren’t committed, and use schools as stepping stones.


    Todd Graham has had an interesting history:

    In 2006, Todd Graham was the head coach at Rice and said that he had dreamed of being the head coach at Rice since he was in the 7th grade:

    “I’ve dreamed of this day since I was in the seventh grade,” Coach Graham told his audience, flush with emotion. The Mesquite native said he grew up weaned on Southwest Conference football. “And I get those memories of turning on the TV and watching Rice play Texas, and being so tied up in all the SWC games.

    “There are faces of people in the crowd where you can see the doubt. That’s fine. But two, three years from now, we’ll have all those things changed, and we’ll have restored the great tradition.”


    After the 2006 season, Graham left Rice for Tulsa, saying:

    “That was my dream, I wanted to be head coach at Tulsa,” said Graham, speaking on a conference call from Kansas City, where his plane was diverted from Houston due to Friday’s ice storm. “We have a heart for Tulsa.”


    Graham left Tulsa for Pitt less than a year ago, promising to:

    “… restore the Beast from the East”

    Now he’s at Arizona State…for now.

  266. cheepono December 14, 2011 5:16 pm

    I thought the search committee was “beginning” to view applications at the close of business on Monday? Would have expected the list to be trimmed down significantly TWO DAYS later.

  267. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 5:17 pm

    Several are walking, including Brett Leonard, Vaughn Meatoga, Kaniela Tuipulotu, Tank Hopkins, London Sapolu, Matagisila Lefiti.

  268. cheepono December 14, 2011 5:18 pm

    ‘Gratz to all the Warriors earning their diplomas this weekend!

  269. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 5:18 pm

    Re: Graham.

    We all have different dreams every night.

    Mine usually are a variation of taking a final for a class I didn’t attend all year.

  270. Garret December 14, 2011 5:19 pm

    SDSU is paying quite a hefty entry fee to the Big East (in the form of withheld conference revenue). This is actually a lot less than what Utah paid the Pac-12 (more than $20 mil in the form of withheld conference revenue) and TCU will pay the Big 12 (also in the form of withheld conference revenue):

    SDSU will pay an entry fee of $2.5 million, payable in five installments of $500,000 starting June 30, 2014. This contrasts with the reported $2 million entry fee for Boise State to join the Big East at the same time. SDSU also is required to contribute to the Big East football reserve fund. That amount currently is $264,400 and also is payable in five installments. If SDSU leaves the Big East after joining in July 2013, it forfeits all amounts.


  271. d1shima December 14, 2011 5:20 pm

    Thanks Stephen.

    Congratulations to all the Graduates!

    (I’m gonna be there for a relative but if they need a stand-in for the HC…)

  272. d1shima December 14, 2011 5:23 pm

    Will the selection cmte be texting rejections? πŸ˜†

    “I have resigned my position at Pitt in the best interest of my family to pursue the head coaching position at Arizona State,” the message sent to players said. “Coaching there has always been a dream of ours and we have family there. The timing of the circumstances have prohibited me from telling you this directly. I now am on my way to Tempe to continue those discussions. God Bless. Coach Graham.”

  273. Curt December 14, 2011 5:25 pm

    Ipu Man

    #265 You’re probably right. If we’re not paying anything near a $850k base, we’re probably looking at candidates like Miano, Rush, Sitake, etc. It probably won’t be a high profile name.

  274. d1shima December 14, 2011 5:25 pm

    Hey! Graham probably has good memories of his last visit. Maybe a home and home is possible?

    …or is 2 years a little too far out to plan something with ASU now? 😈

  275. ai-eee-soos December 14, 2011 5:32 pm

    ST has it in the header, too. 42 applicants.

  276. A-joe December 14, 2011 5:36 pm

    Don Weir, PIAA DS, Kevin-

    There is no doubt the college student/athlete experience has improved tremendously since it’s heydays. I just find it disturbing PolyMom has factual proof of programs conducting racial and cultural profiling to exclude Polynesian athletes based on ignorant assumptions. These programs need to be questioned immediately and if found to be true, have their practices brought to a stop!

    If true, it’s very appalling that these practices occur in this day and age.

    God, I hope not.

  277. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 5:36 pm

    Wow so with that kind of pay and the candidates that we supposedly have, I guess we’ll be the laughing stock of the conference

  278. d1shima December 14, 2011 5:38 pm

    …who will be laughing along?

  279. koakane December 14, 2011 5:39 pm

    #266 bwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  280. Curt December 14, 2011 5:42 pm

    It looks like the strategy is to avoid the high profile, expensive names and build the program on a solid, “no-name” coach. Money speaks and we don’t have it. That’s all right. We can do it anyway. We just have to make sure we do our due diligence and pick a good one. Go Warriors.

  281. d1shima December 14, 2011 5:42 pm

    right on cue πŸ™„

  282. Old Diver December 14, 2011 5:47 pm

    Sounds like JD is telling the candidates they will have to do more with little.

  283. SteveM December 14, 2011 5:51 pm


    People complained about paying $1.1 million.

    The haggling point with Mack was reportedly at $750,000, plus people wanted him gone.

    Got their wish.

    But now, who so expects UH to pay $1 million or more tomorrow in the hope of getting a super coach?

  284. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 5:52 pm

    You’re right curt! But funny how colorado state can give $1.5 miillion per year and get the OC from Alabama. It tells me they have the drive and want to succeed. Hawaii……hmm not so much.

  285. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 5:53 pm

    I thought we were one of the “richer” programs in the WAC and what will be the makeup of the MWC in 2012.

    Now it sounds like we are one season ticket cancellation away from the bread lines.

    My how times have changed since 2008.

  286. KDUB808 December 14, 2011 5:53 pm

    Not sure if this was posted earlier, but this is from the Fresno Bee when Pat Hill got fired.

    Hill was paid $679,000 last year, but Fresno State could have to go higher in pursuit of a new coach. The salaries of the football coaches in the Mountain West are $200,000 to $300,000 higher than in the WAC — Texas Christian’s Gary Patterson is at the high end, at $2,018,362, and Boise State’s Chris Peterson is paid $1,525,000.

    Air Force’s Troy Calhoun makes $889,000, Wyoming’s Dave Christensen is paid $843,376 and San Diego State’s Rocky Long is at $801,000. Colorado State coach Steve Fairchild was paid $700,000 before he was fired Sunday.

    Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/12/04/2637625/pat-hill-out-as-fresno-state-football.html#ixzz1gZaQ9BNF

    And we are going to pay our coach 600,000?

  287. RedZone December 14, 2011 5:54 pm

    Wonder if the pros are going to start grabbing some college coaches? Will we see more movement then?

  288. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 5:55 pm


    I thought a lot of noise about the $1.1M was with regards to our return on investment.

    If Mack won the bowl games, won the games he should have against UNLV etc., it might not be so much an issue.

    That’s just my guess.

  289. whitey December 14, 2011 5:58 pm

    stevem, but the best part is the list of applicants has never been released and we get many here who think the hc should be selected from heresay. me, i just going wait till they announce the finalist or who jd selected.

  290. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 5:58 pm

    Like I’ve said: Don’t worry about $1.1 million. It’s never going that high again. Ever.

  291. Old Diver December 14, 2011 5:59 pm

    A low salary cuts both ways. If a high profile coach is hired he could be gone in a year or two.

  292. Old Diver December 14, 2011 5:59 pm



    How about in the year 2056?

  293. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 6:01 pm

    No. 295

    Not if the Mayans are correct . . .

  294. Old Diver December 14, 2011 6:01 pm


  295. Curt December 14, 2011 6:12 pm

    As the saying goes, never say never. It looks like the MWC average (with TCU and BSU) is $1.3 million. With more TV money coming in, $1.1 mil will soon be low in the not to distant future.

  296. Curt December 14, 2011 6:13 pm


  297. Curt December 14, 2011 6:13 pm


  298. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 6:15 pm


    So could that be a bad thing?

  299. bigislandkurt December 14, 2011 6:17 pm

    Tsai, basically, your stance says that any miraculous, 07-like, magical football seasons will purely be just that…..a magical miracle.

    So long as UH wants to play big boy football, I can not assume that they will NEVER pay 1.1 mil again. Look at the Salaries in the MWC. 800k seems to be the minimal going rate. Auburn’s OC went from making 1.1 as a coordinator to taking a pay cut to coach Arkansas State for 850k. ARKANSAS STATE! College football salaries are rising to astronomical levels throughout the national landscape. How can we be immune to that?

    If UH chooses to lowball the next coach, might as well hire Lumpkin or Miano and call it a day. Why go through the motions?

    It COSTS to play big boy football. Remember, Nevada’s Chris Ault is not the norm, but rather, an exception — mainly due to his OWN choosing. That will not happen anywhere else, unless you hire the hometown boy or any other no-name coach who will want to take the head coaching title for any price. Surely, my heart is open to miracles and magic. But the law of averages will often play spoiler in many a magical, miraculous moment. And if a coach comes in for a low price and succeeds, you best believe he will be gone soon after. Unless of course, if Hawaii is the only job they ever wanted ;). I hope JD and gang do not chose to play with fire like that.

    If 850k is beyond UH’s (and its booster’s) means, then we best accept the fact that we will always be an afterthought. A mid major afterthought.

    Just my opinion of course. WTH do I know? I’m just a fan.


  300. Shadow December 14, 2011 6:21 pm

    Never say never to $1.1 mil – not if UH wants to be competitive in Div IA football. Or has the vision now changed to merely have a football team in the MWC & dole out monies to other visiting teams so that they can win championships & we stay home & watch the other teams on TV.

  301. Old Diver December 14, 2011 6:27 pm

    Well at least we know now the salary will not be competitive. That could be why not one known applicant is high profile or is being sought after by anyone to be their head coach. JD is going to have to go with his gut feeling on this one.

  302. Mark December 14, 2011 6:30 pm

    Coaching scoop website says Nick Rolovich has an OC offer from another school. If we’re not paying $850K base, we will have to get lucky. I don’t like the idea of hiring a career assistant as a head coach. I think it speaks volumes about a person to have been content being a long-time assistant.

  303. Shadow December 14, 2011 6:36 pm

    Maybe Rolo already knows who will be the next HC & he ain’t included in the future plan? Or maybe he sees that the UH vision is now mediocrity at the cheapest cost?

  304. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 6:39 pm

    d1 – Hate that Heineken commercial! Its enough to drive me to drink… …Heineken! πŸ˜†

    I have that same dream Mr. Tsai. Creepy.

  305. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 6:41 pm

    Maybe Arizona State gonna hire Rolo???

  306. Ipu Man December 14, 2011 6:42 pm

    Offensive Coordinator…ASU

  307. PIAA DS December 14, 2011 6:53 pm

    #279..Do you have any clue how many times I’ve been told ‘we dont recruit white running backs? I had a coach from USD jump at the chance to recruit a few white guys that were D1 caliper but the mid majors and BCS schools wouldnt touch them. So racial profiling. Yeah it happens. They profile by position, buy the size of the hips, by the size of their ankles, by height, by weight. Where is the proof of an anti Poly movement? Because when USC came here quietly to recruit and no one announced they were in town, they werent only looking the haole or popolo kids only. The RC’s for the pac12 for Hawaii are almost all Polynesian. What schools is she saying does this? Cant be any of the Pac12. Lets see, Boston College doesnt recruit Hawaii or Samoa. Is that proof they are anti Poly? Does she think that schools 5000 miles away should be required to recruit Polynesians, because if so, I got a few white running backs that are being discriminated against too. Have some coaches been quoted as saying ‘we dont recruit Polynesians because they are lazy’ ? If so, it must be public..where is it, I’d sure like to see it.

  308. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 7:21 pm

    Wow!!! UH is settling for less??? That’s ridiculous! I guarantee you that if they hire a coach that no one knows or cares for, they’re gonna lose a butt load of money. The UH admin and JD gotta know that their jobs are the line too. I hope they choose wisely.

  309. postmanke December 14, 2011 7:37 pm

    Ever is a very long time

  310. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 7:56 pm

    Why? Just because Mcmackin didn’t deserve that much money does not mean that no one else is worth that much. How is Hawaii supposed to cOnpete in football. Are they gonna hope and pray that the next coach does a good job? What a huge risk they’re taking. I have a bad feeling about this hire coming up. I have a feeling a lot of fans are going to be unhappy with the next coach. Just sad.

  311. Slugger December 14, 2011 7:57 pm

    Dang! I’d hate to lose Rolo.

  312. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 7:59 pm

    Does no one else have a bad feeling about this hire?

  313. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 7:59 pm

    Those who thought Mack was getting paid too much for what he did for the students and how he assembled his group of coaches got their wish. Mack is gone.. but soon so might some of the favored assistants. Add to that, UH may cut the budget and then we will have the lowest paid coach (adjusted for cost of living) in the MWC with very possibly performance that reflects those cuts.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  314. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:00 pm

    And I hope to God that it’s not Miano! What has he done since he’s been here??? Nothing! He’s done nothing since he’s been here.

  315. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:01 pm

    We wished for Mack to be gone. Not our football program.

  316. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:02 pm

    If Miano is hired……then say hello to bottom feeding!

  317. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:04 pm

    You would think if Hawaii wants to stay stay competitive, you would offer a competitive amount of money for a good, respectable coach. Not a “Hope and Pray” kind of coach.

  318. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:05 pm

    UH and their decision making is definitely unique. And I mean that in a bad way.

  319. Old Diver December 14, 2011 8:07 pm


    I think Miano has done a lot. Ask Colt Brennan, Mana Silva etc

  320. Major Boyes December 14, 2011 8:07 pm

    All civil officers … shall be removed from office for … High Crimes … (including-) Bribery.maple story mesos

  321. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 8:08 pm

    Problem is.. Mack was responsible for holding our football program together when JJ and so many of the other coaches left ensemble. What he slapped together in 2008 was nothing short of amazing, considering the circumstances… 2009 went as expected… 2010 was actually better than expected, but fans became so spoiled that the loss to Tulsa turned the season against Mack. A 10-4 season but with unhappy fans… go figure. Then of course 2011, with expectations so high, never mind we only had 2 returning starters on Offense… we had all those injuries and didn’t make the bowl.. as such.. aloha Mack.. and here we are…

    Trying to get twice the value at half the cost.

  322. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 8:08 pm

    I’m not sold on Miano… I’d rather see someone else at the helm.

  323. jkjones December 14, 2011 8:11 pm

    UHAD Jim Donovan has a history of playing low ball. He did it with Gib Arnold, et al.

    He is not a Texas holdum guy.

    That doesnt bold well for a football program that is supposed to pull the lion’s share for an overall athletic budget topping $30 million per annum. The basic axiom in business–you get what you pay for–aptly applies to a football CEO. If Donovan hedges his offer and pays small ball to hit the jackpot, he immediately becomes the pinyata if his gamble fails. That comes with risk-outcome decision making. He is signing his own death warrant with a safe political choice.

    What is needed in the immediate scenario is recognition skill in selection, imagination and alot of balls.

    Donovan cannot hide behind a monolithic commitee while he counts beans. Neither can he go the consensus route to preserve his status.

    This is the part of his job description where the rubber meets the road.

    This is the intersection in his career where he demonstrates his value or underscores his ineptitude.

    This is Jim Donovan’s time alone to shine.

    His football head coach selection will define whether his tenure is for the ages or just another transitory appointment that surfaced through the good-ole-boy network.

    Jim Donovan has whispered the words many times to shakey program regimes heretofor. And, he must listen intently to what he has said to these walking dead coaches, “Hawaii wants a winner”.

    Look, Donovan’s survival chances increase, imho, with more imaginative skill than union politics. This is his kill-shot, hopefully, Jim Donovan takes it!

  324. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 8:14 pm

    Remember those posters who said that there are lots of better coaches than Mack that would come here for half the money? Well I hope they applied for the position.

  325. Capitolist/WassupDoc December 14, 2011 8:22 pm


    The Aloha Stadium Authority meets tomorrow morning with a much more detailed agenda than the format used in previous years.

    Two of the items in the Stadium Manager’s report to be given by Scott Chan include a legislative tour of the facility by members of the Senate Ways & Means Committee & the House Finance Committee on November 29 AND a meeting with Senator Glenn Wakai, a couple of other area legislators along with several people from the City’s Department of Planning & Permitting on November 23 about the potential for Transit-Oriented Development on the entire Stadium site. The people who’ve spent the past 19+ months working on these issues did not get identified.

    The five potential economic (re)development projects proposed by dedicated UH supporters include:

    High-tech business park primarily for mature companies primarily working in renewable energy, bio-medical research, Department of Defense programs;

    Mid-range hotel primarily for visiting teams & fans as well as for people visiting family members or conducting business on nearby military bases;

    International sports venue both inside Aloha Stadium itself – soccer, rugby, American football, track & field events – as well as outside the Stadium – tennis, aquatic activities, vehicular racing + a family-oriented mini-golf course;

    Multi-family workforce rental housing directly related to Transit-Oriented Development;

    Small-footprint commercial & retail center including food-service businesses and a multi-story parking garage for transit users, residents, employees, customers, and Stadium patrons.

    ANOTHER CHANGE OF SUBJECT: Ask me the next time we run into each other.

    BACK TO FOOTBALL: Wow!! Forty two applicants. I wish I could be a fly on the wall during the ADVISORY Search Committee.

  326. Old Diver December 14, 2011 8:26 pm

    What hurts the program most with a low HC salary won’t be the quality of the head coach. It will be the quality of the assistants, the coaches who are actually doing the coaching. Say Miano is the head coach and selects Rolo as the OC and has a salary of $150,000. Three years from now if the offense is tearing things up and someone offers Rolo $300,000, he’s gone.

  327. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:27 pm

    I thought Favid Graves said Mack wasn’t really doing anything as a head coach? To me he made a free 4-4.5 million dollars! I wish I was in a position like that. Crap I would take 4.5 million to fail. That would be awesome!

  328. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:27 pm

    That 4.5 million should’ve went to Kevin Gibride when UH had te chance

  329. tommui December 14, 2011 8:28 pm

    If memory serves, in the negotiations of salary for a two year extension for Mac, the figure of $750,000 was bantered about. Coach Mac was looking for $850,000.

    Since this is a matter of public record, I’m sure that the applicants know the general range of what UH might want to pay.

    If it is more than that ($750,000) I hope some Punahou grads are applicants – the Punahou M**** will have to come into play!

  330. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:29 pm

    Like I said….hopefully JD or whoever is part of this hiring chooses wisely .

  331. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:31 pm

    I’m sure ST knows or has an idea of who the final 5 candidates are. Just wondering if ST thinks any of those candidates are candidates that will cause the football program to succeed. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

  332. palolo December 14, 2011 8:37 pm

    We need a coach that will sell the team like June Jones. A pep rally in downtown, sunsets on the beach at Waikiki, Rainbow dancers at Pearlridge? We need a coach that will make us forget about watching football on PPV and come down to Aloha Stadium to cheer our hearts out. Coach Mack was nice. What we need now is excitement. I hope we can find a good one out of the 42 coaches applying for the job.

  333. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:38 pm

    I wonder who the 42 applicants are??? Hmm let’s see…..35 high school coaches, 2 division 2 coaches (1 of them maybe being a JC coach), and 5 division 1 coaches.

  334. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:40 pm


    Yes we need excitement! Just have a feeling though the coach they hire will be a disappointment.

  335. al December 14, 2011 8:40 pm

    on miano’s behalf…many of the current and exiting players have good stuff to say.

    of the current players and exiting ones who did not pass out the same superlatives they also had one thing in common that the had splinters on the behind.

    several birdies have said this.

  336. PolyMom December 14, 2011 8:41 pm

    @Pomai–Why has Chow then not been a Head Coach? Would live to hear your version,

    @Ipuman– Like I tell my kids all the time…it is who you know. Not what you know. Especially in government jobs. Sad but true. All business especially show biz is like that!

    @A-joe–can not elaborate in detail as I have been working on this investigative story for two years. But let me say this mostly in the SEC and that side of the country. Have to prove your stories with facts. And folks talk. One school the fans asked a Coach on media day why no Poly boys. He stood at the podium and made a statement that was not true. He will be shocked someday when I out him!

    @Couchpotato,..my Mom is nicknamed after Vasconsellos. Funny how Maui folks are!

    @ai-see-Chow applied for the HC job at Kentucky after the Titans. They gave the job to Joker Phillips. He has been a joke since taking over. Too bad for Kentucky.

    @iwonderwhytheyhateme– I LOVE LOVE Rocky Seto. He is awesome. But he is so loyal to Pete Carroll. Not sure if he would ever leave Pete. Like I said Pete and his boys are thicker then thieves. But I LOVE Rocky Seto. And the boys cam relate to him. He would be excellent.

    I agree with mikey, would love to see Chow have a chance as a head Coach. Not sure if folks realize how hard a HC job is. It is stressful and a 24/7 job. I bet Chow could get some good good Assistants. Working with Chow would be a dream job to if I was a man. He is an awesome human being. Very well respected.

  337. MattyBoy December 14, 2011 8:42 pm

    If there were a high profile coach that had applied or if somehow we were going after, that info would’ve leaked out somehow. I’m guessing all the candidates that have applied are mediocre to subpar. I’m pretty positive on that. ST cannyou confirm?

  338. PolyMom December 14, 2011 8:42 pm

    @tommui, yes the thug in the cocktail dress always gives to the right causes.

  339. whitey December 14, 2011 8:44 pm

    Wow, Jeremiah Poutasi will visit da warriors this weekend. Go Warriors.

  340. al December 14, 2011 8:45 pm

    while we all have our favorites and visions of grandeur the bottom line remains the same.

    one, we are not a rich program due to lack of revenues and income.

    two, money can buy only so much, i.e. could we afford urban meyer?

    three, we all have varing opinions and you can’t please all of the people all of the time nor can you please some of the people some of the time.

    the bottom line is…whomever is the chosen one i’ll back him up whether if its rich miano, mark banker, rolovich, or duane akina.

  341. PolyMom December 14, 2011 8:45 pm

    I hope folks pay attention to who Hawaii does biz with. If every Warrior fan had bought one share of Under Armour stock when we made the deal with them. Let me say this, I did. I payed 21.25 per share. This year that stock hit $89.95. See one small gift like a share of stock can make schools rich! At the time I had no idea who Under Armour was. I just bought a bunch to su

    Port UH. And it paired off BIG.

  342. whitey December 14, 2011 8:48 pm

    seems like da warriors will have sum heavy duty recruits in this weekend. imagine if jp says yes, what a huge boost for da warriors recruiting.

  343. performance coach December 14, 2011 8:49 pm

    We have allowed those wanting to doom the UH Football program to work their evil by calling for a new coach and disparaging Coach Mac. So here we are. No dream Coaches have applied because there is no money and they know that they will have to win 10 games plus every year to make the crybaby “fans” happy and to keep the barbarians at bay. Why would anyone even consider moving their family to Hawaii to get the same treatment that was given Coach Mac and his family? For just $400,000? These evil people blame the losses and Coach Mac for waning attendance to the games. Come on! Have any of you been tailgating? Yes? Then you are all aware that the security has bullied people all year. They have been clamping down on underage drinking, arresting the young people and trespassing them for a year. That is why the students are not coming anymore. They are afraid of getting hassled and arrested. Why should they go somewhere where they are despised and they are not wanted. I don’t support underage drinking but remember, the highest gates were in the 80’s when the drinking age was still 18. Even us “older” people get hassled, make sure your tent leg isn’t in the next parking stall, even if half of the parking lot is empty. And talk about expensive food! I’m sorry, I simply cannot afford to eat in the Stadium and I’m sure others feel the same way. I saw a security guard take away two Granola bars from an old man at a gate. Sad, sad, sad. If you ask me, these problems affect attendance too. Congratulations to Scott Harding on his Freshman All-America award. Coach Mac and his coaches have done a great job of stocking the team with talent. I’m sure some of you recall me raving about Scott in one of my previous posts, but to tell you the truth, Scott may not even be the best returner on our team. This coming year he will have to fight off stiff competition from Braydon Torres and Samson Anguay, two speedsters who have that special vision needed to break big return runs. Yes, Coach Mac has seen to it that we have a lot of talent. We know Davis is going to be special, but wait until Cecil Doe starts contributing next year, we will be a force. The only thing we are missing is a Quarterback like Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow is THE extreme winner. If we had Tim Tebow on our team we would have gone 13-0 this year. Of course it would be almost impossible to get someone as good as Tebow, but we need to find someone that has a percentage of what Tim has. All we need and needed was a winner to tie everything together.

  344. whitey December 14, 2011 8:55 pm

    polymom, now you thinking like a marketing guru which is lacking at uh. why does uh market only warrior clothing. what about the rainbow men and wahines???? uh should be marketing da wahine clothing as rainbow wahine and take advantage of the wvb success. why should the fans be wearing warrior shirts at bb games when it is the rainbows who are playing, not warriors. same for all women sports. think big time marketing uh, no be like one small mouse.

  345. Buffoman December 14, 2011 8:57 pm

    Al #338

    Would those same current players be willing to snap to when told by Miano to run off the field, into the huddle, go back to the drawing board and wrap up when tackling (not what we’ve seen), play disciplined ball, pay attention on the sidelines, etc.?

    If it was rumored that it was not there and the new recruit said he liked the “laid back” atmosphere, which seemed to be the bane of many of th posters during the season (no sense of urgency), would that continue as the philosophy or would there be more discipline and fundamental ball from Manoa?

    If this was the culture of the current players, can Miano change the culture to become more disciplined?

    Just asking.

  346. Kevin December 14, 2011 9:06 pm

    Given some time and a track record, we could have a $1,000,000.00 football HC over time. But yeah an initial hire, never again.

  347. 808Bowler December 14, 2011 9:10 pm

    Any applicants treat this blog?.if so please make ur self present. lol

  348. Old Diver December 14, 2011 9:10 pm


    I believe the laid back remark was made in conjunction with recruiting, not the game itself. Miano did remark that he would enact a more disciplined approach to practice and the game. He has also said privately there would be a more disciplined approach to recruiting.

  349. al December 14, 2011 9:15 pm

    buffoman…picture this.

    you are a returning player and its miano.

    however, you have a new dc, for example, you noticed that there is a higher degree of discipline. you have two choices hunker down or walk out of the room.

    one of the things many have observed is that in the jj and mack eras we did have problems tackling. these same folks believe that the “pro style” practicing methods just did not work with young college boys who often did not have proper techniques. but, instead of actually doing it they envisioned it. come game time the results were evident.

    miano says he’ll keep a few of the younger guys who will have to recruit on his staff. everyone will recruit he says. does this mean that he’ll only keep rolo, tuioti, and smith?

  350. al December 14, 2011 9:17 pm

    “They’re laid-back, chill guys,” Lavaka said. “I can relate to them.”

    this could mean anything. but i think he meant that they were easy to approach, i could understand what they were communicating to me,

  351. al December 14, 2011 9:17 pm

    “They’re laid-back, chill guys,” Lavaka said. “I can relate to them.”

    this could mean anything. but i think he meant that they were easy to approach, i could understand what they were communicating to me,

  352. tommui December 14, 2011 9:17 pm

    Whitey #347 I have a ASPIC (?) white shirt with the “H” logo and Wahine volleyball shirt – which you can get from the Wahine volleyball booster club. I don’t think it is available elsewhere – think Rainbotique only handles Underarmour stuff. The UnderArmour people also have made the green shirts that have Wahine Basketball and Wahine Softball booster shirts.

    As for the last two, I think that only the respective booster organization have them. I agree that those shirts should be available for sale to the general public.

    The problem is that if it were available, it probably would have to go through the Rainbotique and when those are sold that way, the moneys doesn’t go to the Athletic Department but to the UH general funds.

    You might check with POMAI or KELVIN about the Wahine softball shirts.

  353. Kevin December 14, 2011 9:18 pm

    If any applicants are busy reading a fan blog, I suggest… YOU FOCUS ON TRYING TO GET THE JOB INSTEAD

  354. Old School Dave December 14, 2011 9:20 pm

    As I posted earlier, I think that Rocky Seto, as Polymom said, is underutilized now. He was a linebackers coach, then secondary, and finally defensive coordinator at USC and after turning down Steve Sarkisian’s offer to become DC at UW, he chose to stay loyal to his school. Next, Uncle Pete bolts to the Seahawks and Seto is now out of a job with Lane Kiffin bringing his dad as DC at USC. Seto takes a quality control job with the Seahawks that pays him a tenth of what he last earned at USC and would have made had he taken the UW DC job.

    It would be great to have Norm Chow (if he’s hired) bring Seto to UH as his DC. Lots of energy, enthusiasm, a great teacher of technique and fundamentals, and he has a good rapport with his players.

  355. al December 14, 2011 9:20 pm

    in the old days, perhaps old diver or myself would have said that they are cool (chill) dudes.

  356. al December 14, 2011 9:22 pm

    i’ll say this…miano said all the right things about what needed to be fixed. if he is chosen and can walk the talk…he’ll do just fine.

    otherwise, people will say he’s just another abercrumby (purposefully mispelled).

  357. Old Diver December 14, 2011 9:23 pm


    I really hope if Rolo is kept he will have a huge say as to who his assistants are. Letting him have free reign of the offense with coaches who are not on his page would spell another frustrating season for Rolo and the fans.

  358. al December 14, 2011 9:23 pm

    …and for his sake, i am glad th.at he toned it down

  359. Kevin December 14, 2011 9:23 pm

    Tom Mui,

    Asics is one of the top volleyball brands and they sponsor the Wahine volleyball program, however I thought Under Armour makes their booster club shirts, unless yours is an older shirt i.e. pre 2008.

    From what I have seen, all booster polo shirts are handled by Under Armour, even the Basketball booster clubs even though Addidas is the primary sponsor of Rainbow Warrior Basketball and Under Armour partially sponsors Rainbow Wahine Basketball (pre game warm up clothes, shorts, and shoes).

    Football and Softball are primary Under Armour sponsored programs as far as the uniform and apparel for the players and coaches are conceded and Rainbow Baseball is pretty much completely sponsored by UA as well by now as they just got full UA uniforms last season. They’ve had their cleats and under gear prior.

    It was in the best interest of support that softball booster club went with Under Armour as they have taken care of the Rainbow Wahine for the majority of their needs (gloves, helmet, bats, and other protective equipment supplied by Easton).

    Rainbowtique will being selling their spring sports apparel as usual in January. Right now they are trying to expel their fall stock.

  360. kev-1 December 14, 2011 9:26 pm

    Hello, I’d like to introduce myself. I am an applicant for the UH football coaching position. I have been secretly scouting this blog and others over the past two years to gauge the type of fan interest and support I would get should I be selected head coach of the Warriors.

    I can already tell that for some of you, I will be able to do and say whatever I want, and you will shower me with overly positive, sometimes unnecessary commentary and optimism. While others may try to hold me accountable for my mistakes, yet will have little success on this blog, as your comments will be criticized, condemned, and shot down like pheasant during hunting season in South Dakota.

    Anyway, I am glad to have had the opportunity to introduce myself. I have yet to receive any indication from the selection committee regarding my application, but hope they contact me soon. I hope the fact that I submitted my application anonymously doesn’t hinder my chances.

  361. Kevin December 14, 2011 9:26 pm

    Tom Mui,

    Correct about the booster polo shirt sales. Rainbowtique makes them for us at “cost” and for our members we offer them at a significantly cheaper price than the regular price of a UH UA polo (average cost between $65.00-85.00) with a part of the price we “charge” going to the cost and the rest going back to the program’s booster account.

  362. al December 14, 2011 9:27 pm

    it is interesting how the local media has toned down the miano for president campaign.

    okay, to clarify not all of the media just some.

  363. Kevin December 14, 2011 9:28 pm

    Security SUCKS at Aloha Stadium… always has.

    But for nana and tata to chase away 15,000.00 people (35,000 minus 20,000)??????


  364. kev-1 December 14, 2011 9:29 pm

    Craving some head coach scoops!

  365. kev-1 December 14, 2011 9:33 pm

    I don’t know . . . Miano has been a part of the laid back “pro style” practice for a long time now. You can’t tell me that if he wanted more discipline and attention to detail from his group that he wouldn’t have implemented it. I can’t see a HC telling him “hey, take it easy on those guys . . . we don’t do that around here.” I could be wrong though. If he wanted a more disciplined group, then he should have coached it. He has been a coach for a long time at Hawaii.

  366. whitey December 14, 2011 9:35 pm

    councillor, thanks.

  367. whitey December 14, 2011 9:38 pm

    kevin, thanks, too.

  368. al December 14, 2011 9:40 pm

    the head coach prescribes the way they practice. that’s how they did it with jj and mack just kept doing the same thing.

    go ask st about practices and regimen. he watched for 11 years without skipping one day.

  369. 808Bowler December 14, 2011 9:42 pm

    That was funny kev-1.

  370. Derek December 14, 2011 9:43 pm

    The football program is on solid ground when the team can just “reload” rather than “rebuild”.

    A good program is good every year and consistently gets to a bowl game. You have to remember, other teams are trying to win too, every week. To have a winning record is an achievement, 7 to 8 games. Win 9 or 10 games a year is excellent, win 11 or 12 games is elite. Go undefeated 13-0 is BCS worthy. Win the BCS game and finish 14-0 is out of this world even National Championship worthy. At least in the discussion. To have a solid program we have to consistently recruit the high majority of players from high school seniors and by position needs. Good coaches know developing depth is a big key because they have to be prepared in case of injuries. Thus, good coaches play a lot of players including underclassmen. If recruiting is good, players who are freshman and sophomores are good enough to play manu minutes, including starters. Show me a team laden of senior starters and show me a drop off the following year most of the time.

  371. Kevin December 14, 2011 9:47 pm

    A good meal is one that tastes good.

    A great beverage is one that also tastes good.

  372. kev-1 December 14, 2011 9:50 pm

    Kevin . . . philospher?

  373. whitey December 14, 2011 9:53 pm

    al, “nfl” type practices created the poor tackling and blocking. in college, it is still olf fashion football practice, full gear 4 days. you would think that watchiing game movies would help them see their tackling mistakes, but it was neva corrected while jj and mack was here.

  374. whitey December 14, 2011 9:54 pm

    bed time.

  375. jm2375 December 14, 2011 9:57 pm

    Cool. BJ Itoman is one of the pilots on the flight to bring the Schofield soldiers home from Iraq.

  376. al December 14, 2011 10:07 pm


  377. spamworld December 14, 2011 10:08 pm

    I’m so tired of hearing “why can’t we be like Boise”

    I think the reason is glaringly obvious.

  378. jonj December 14, 2011 10:08 pm

    I have to say im liking the recruiting approach Miano is taking. He had 3 ohio kids visit with one of them being the 5 star commit. should help maybe persuade the others to follow. Im really high on the kid Sean Draper tall corner at 6-1. havent seen any video of Willie henry but he is rated 3 stars and has 7 offers. Also Miano has Jeremiah poutasi 4 star out of nevada visiting this weekend. Sounds like the guy is not just talking!

  379. kev-1 December 14, 2011 10:10 pm

    jonj . . . thanks for the names. Good stuff. I have to admit, I am stunned at how aggressive recruiting has been in the midst of a coaching change.

  380. jm2375 December 14, 2011 10:12 pm

    ummm – no one else is like B$U.

  381. el burro sabio December 14, 2011 10:15 pm

    Seems like 30 applicants were better prepared and want the job more than 12 other applicants

  382. Kevin December 14, 2011 10:16 pm


    December 14th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Kevin . . . philospher?

    Nope. Just stating the obvious without putting sentences and words around it.

  383. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 10:17 pm


    TCU is somewhat in the same ocean.

  384. kev-1 December 14, 2011 10:21 pm

    kevin . . . darn, I was looking for something deep. Reading back, I see why you wrote that though.

  385. jonj December 14, 2011 10:26 pm

    wonder what happened to charlie tuaau.. last season he did great as a freshman 17 tfl and 5 sacks. but this season no word on him.

  386. jm2375 December 14, 2011 10:26 pm

    So, UH may never have to play on the Smurf Turf again? πŸ™„ πŸ˜†

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  388. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 10:38 pm

    Its concerning that our financial situation is so dire that we can’t afford to pay a rate that equals to what most MWC schools are paying for their coaches.

    Is this in anticipation of the loss of PPV and travel subsidies? How are the talks with the HVCB going about having them help pay for a portion of those subsides?

    Post 2007 and going to the MWC was supposed to be such a wonderful and exciting time for our program. A new era.

    Exciting…yeah, that’s it.

  389. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 10:43 pm

    42. That’s better.

    Too bad we don’t know who they are. It would make things a lot more lively around here.

    One thing for sure, the onus is on JD no matter who the comittee reccomends. Wouldn’t want to make that choice. I have faith in JD.

    I truly wonder what kind of results are expected if the pay is only $400K.

  390. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 10:45 pm


    I wonder the same. If its truly a financial thing and not a public opinion thing, we might find it difficult to compete.

    Unless we are thinking of spreading the wealth to bump up assistants pay.

    The premium parking fees, the seat premium fees, the student athletics fees. Can you imagine what it would be like if those didn’t exist?

  391. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 10:46 pm

    Of the known candidates, there are a couple who could do the job well. Nuff said.

  392. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 10:49 pm

    I can’t shake the feeling that the comittee and the UHAD have some tricks up their sleeves regarding both potential candidates and the resources to pay for a good coach.

  393. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 10:50 pm

    We shall see, won’t we? πŸ™‚

  394. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 10:50 pm

    Gotta balance the business first mentality with the pie in the sky day dreams of what could be.

  395. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 10:51 pm

    JJ showed us the possibilities. Is he the ONLY one out there who can do what he did?

  396. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 10:51 pm

    Anyone know where Comish Marinara grows his $6.5M carrots? That would solve our problems instantly.

  397. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 10:52 pm


  398. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 10:52 pm

    You gotta put your money into your money maker. You can’t just keep sucking funds out of it.. gotta put enough back to keep it growing… and that means that those funds need to keep growing, especially in tight times. When the economy sucks, ticket sales may drop but more people are going to those PPV places and tuning in on the radio… these people will return when the economy starts to right itself, but if you cut back and produce a mediocre program, you can kiss them goodbye.

  399. Da Punchbowl Kid December 14, 2011 10:52 pm


  400. iwonderwhytheyhateme December 14, 2011 10:53 pm

    JJ also got paid $800,000ish. But true, $$$ wasn’t an issue per se for JJ.

    Whatever happens, gotta be like Tim Gunn and Make It Work.

  401. tommui December 14, 2011 10:53 pm


    No, the ASIC Wahine volleyball shirt is (was) new.

  402. jm2375 December 14, 2011 11:06 pm

    Warrior vb booster club polos are also UnderArmour. Order deadline is Jan 6th. πŸ˜€

  403. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 11:11 pm

    Performance Coach (No. 346) is the father of a very good UH football player.

    He’s right.

    We’ve lost our way. There’s a way to express disagreements and voice opinions, but we’ve digressed. We used to be people who were respectful of others. We’re not anymore. It’s very disappointing.

  404. Curt December 14, 2011 11:24 pm

    Thanks for the insight Stephen. Performance Coach is right. There are alot of cry baby fans and many who disparaged Coach Mack. The problem is not Mack; it’s us, the cry baby fans and negative posters.

  405. madeinhawaii December 14, 2011 11:32 pm

    I was one of those that were very sad to see Coach Mac let go. I’m still down about it.

    Those other issues with tailgating and the students getting arrested and taking their parties elsewhere have nothing to do with Coach Mack but everything to do with attendance. A poor economy with PPV and greater access to free or low cost viewing will guarantee attrition as well. You can argue all you want that there is nothing like being there, but they guy at home with his favorite drink and his favorite pupus watching instant replay on his 60″ screen, will probably just shake his head. Same with the guys at a favorite watering hole with a dozen of his drinking pals. Closer to home where a taxi ride is a lot cheaper, too. Round trip to and from the stadium at $4.00 a gallon doesn’t help.

    The the talent, like Performance Coach has pointed out is there.. ready to hit the turf. Too bad the guy who led the program to recruit all that talent won’t be there to lead them onto the field. The greater impact of Coach Mack we might not see for a few years.. The next two years should be rather successful years for any coach with a good play book. It’s what follows that, that merits early scrutiny.

    Anything less, would indicate failure in the hiring process.

  406. kev-1 December 14, 2011 11:34 pm

    ST wrote . . . “We’ve lost our way. There’s a way to express disagreements and voice opinions, but we’ve digressed. We used to be people who were respectful of others.”

    The best way to be respectful is to follow it up by calling people crybabys.

    Not that people care what I have to say . . . I have posted my share of criticism, but like to think that I have done so respectfully. Some may disagree, as often times things I have posted may have been misconstrued, especially comments in jest.

    There is a distinct division on this blog between those who claim to be 100% supporters or real Warrior fans and those that said supporters consider crybabys because they voice different opinions (some more reasonable than others). Sometimes it can get pretty ugly, but it shouldn’t.

  407. Bleed Green and White December 14, 2011 11:52 pm

    Miano: NO

    Chow: NO

    Akina: NO

    Koetter: NO

    Banker: NO

    Cavanaugh: NO

    Jasper: NO

    Norwood: if he applied MAYBE

    Just saying, if I was the one making the decision on who replaces McMackin, the search would be OVER already.


    I wanna see what he can do with the offense without Mack putting the shackles on.

    Of course that would mean, I hope, a quick change of offensive line coach.

    I think it was Pride that posted UH averaged 40-points per game in 2010, and Moniz led the nation in passing yards and touchdowns.

    2011, with horrible play at offensive line, offense still scored 31 points per game, and let’s face it, we all saw Mack and his game mis-management malfunctions.


    Mr. Tsai – did he even apply?

  408. Stephen Tsai December 14, 2011 11:52 pm

    I really don’t care what anybody says or thinks about McMackin. He’s a grown man.

    But I am mindful that players, parents and coaches are reading this blog. So, a player makes a life decision to leave his family and attend UH. He speaks highly of the people of Hawaii. And then he reads the comments on the blog, about how people feel he’s a bust because some scouting-service guys don’t give him a high enough rating. (And, by the way, I do know those scouting guys.) And then I have to explain to the guy that, yep, one of his biggest critics is a UH employee.

    People can say whatever they want to say. Most posters are great. There just seems to be a lot of anger lately.

  409. Stephen Tsai December 15, 2011 12:01 am

    I honestly can’t tell you if he applied.

    The sticking point was the MQ: Needed five years of coaching.

    But I think the desired qualifications over-ride that. Plus, he should have that number: a year at CCSF, four at UH.

    Rolo would be a good one.

    I like all of the candidates but one. There is one who would be an absolute dud. But I don’t get a vote, so it doesn’t matter.

  410. cocobean December 15, 2011 12:05 am

    Generally posters want what best for UH. Many use this blog as a box they can drop their suggestions, complaints, observations and heads up type info.

    It’s been stated and restated that coaches and athletes may or may not read ths blog but many of their family and friends do. People’s feelings matter on this small island. What many think is constructive criticism or educated observations borders on “talkin stink.”

    We all want whats best for UH and voice what we think is best. But we should heed the great philosopher from the comic strip Pogo….we have met the enemy and he is us..

  411. cocobean December 15, 2011 12:08 am

    Damn. #411. Posted #413 without seeing yours.

  412. Gumby December 15, 2011 12:10 am

    ST-Thanks for intervening. I’m not a regular poster. However, I am a regular reader and think this blog site is awesome! Love reading what everybody has to say.

  413. sean (aka pcwarrior) December 15, 2011 12:14 am

    ST, gotta agrree! The content his gotten nasty alot this year. I only read the blog and rarely post. I skim over the bad and read the good posters. The topice was great in the beginning and slowly a mutation occurred over the years. But the main thing that is constant, it is the blog host and THE WARRIORS. I look forward to the HIRE and will be with the Warriors in the north endzone again next year.

  414. kev-1 December 15, 2011 12:15 am

    I wonder who is the dud

  415. Bleed Green and White December 15, 2011 12:16 am

    Tsai guy – you really going to hit us with a DUD bomb and not drop a name?

    And I think Rolo did two seasons as QB coach at SF City.

    One with a QB that went on to start at Nebraska, the other guy I believe was Masoli. And they won the JUCO National title, beating Kraft’s team if i remember correctly.

  416. LizKauai (macbook) December 15, 2011 12:26 am

    Congrats to the walkers!


  417. cocobean December 15, 2011 12:41 am


    The problem is not coaching or talent. It’s attendance. Not just in football but all revenue producing sports.

    Winning may or may not be the solution. If winning were the only solution then how many wins will solve our attendance problems?

    I feel the AD should put more resources into researching attendance from a sociological point of view. Find out how big a part of a person’s social life is attending UH athletics. They should try and get a handle on the percentages.

    If I were the AD, I’d fund a study to get a handle on how large our fan base is and who it is.

    Fan base defined as anyone who has attended an event in the last two years, anyone who watches TV events or listens on the radio or follows via other media. Find out how big our out of state Fan base is.

    Information can lead to more targeted marketing. Brainstorming for marketing ideas without information on who you are targeting is shoting in the dark.

  418. 99club December 15, 2011 1:50 am

    Good morning Tsaikos…

    Only 260 days until the Warriors play the number-one ranked team in the country at their place.

  419. Yong December 15, 2011 3:56 am

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  420. Wes'side Warrior December 15, 2011 5:31 am

    Morning, everyone!

    Hope you all have a great day today! Today and tomorrow… then my kids are on vacation. Can’t wait!

    Dud? Did ST mention DUD? I thought John L. Smith already landed a gig elsewhere? Hmmm….

    Wonder if the admission price and cost of food/drink at Aloha Stadium is discouraging casual walk-up fans? When home, I’d never show up late to a game. Do they lower prices in certain sky-levels if the game is already in progress? Just wish the whole Aloha Stadium experience was filled with more “aloha” and not so much an exercise in which of these can we afford this week/month… food/drink, or souvenirs, or just wait ’til after the game and go eat at Zippy’s, and buy some UH stuff at Don Quijote’s, Wal-Mart, or Target later?

  421. Pomai December 15, 2011 5:34 am

    326 – jkjones: That is if JD is actually the one who picks the coach??

  422. Pomai December 15, 2011 5:38 am

    #420 – cocobean: – one must look to who is in charge of Marketing to see the failure.

  423. bigislandkurt December 15, 2011 6:14 am

    Simple fact. IF a team loses, the head coach is culpable. That is just the name of the game we play. WE underachieved as a team and lost the fans. And because of such, Coach Mack is gone. Pau already. We need to move on.

    The blog has gotten this way because of everything going on. Trust me, had we won 9-11 games and was preparing for the Hawaii bowl, the blog would have been overflowing with cheer and goodwill. It’s pretty obvious.

    Winning does cure all.


  424. d1shima December 15, 2011 6:21 am

    Great Morning All!

    More ruminations today….

  425. d1shima December 15, 2011 6:24 am

    Maybe The Blog Host might consider a prerequisite for us before posting comments similar to the UH-Mack agreement….NO TALK STINK!

  426. Buffoman December 15, 2011 6:34 am

    #426 BIK

    I could not put it in a clerer, more succinct way. As you said, let’s move forward.

  427. Buffoman December 15, 2011 6:35 am

    Sorry “clearer” not “clerer” fingers not working properly, need more coffee.

  428. Da Punchbowl Kid December 15, 2011 7:02 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! πŸ™‚

    ST laments +1. d1 sez NTS +1.

    Thank you d1. You have coined the code-phrase-acronym which can be used to comment on stink talker posts. NTS! Simple, elegant and meaningful.

  429. wowlaulau December 15, 2011 7:03 am

    #411, some people are just whiners, they whine about everything, know it alls …. they are what they are …. in the “real” world people ignore/avoid them… just dont let these people pull you down to their level

  430. Slugger December 15, 2011 7:22 am

    Good morning!

    Looks like Esme is going to be on the next segment of KGMB morning news…

    Hoping for the best in the UH coach hire…

  431. Slugger December 15, 2011 7:27 am

    Oh, sorry, the beautiful Esme is not going to be on da news… only someone who at a glance looked like her…

    Have a beautiful day today.

    Good luck in finals to our students!

  432. RedZone December 15, 2011 7:36 am

    Colt Brennen was on the BC show this morning. He is on the big island. He will try to give the pros another shot. I wish him the best of luck.

    He also said he was recruited by Miano and thinks that UH needs to keep him.

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