Can the last WAC team please turn out the lights?

It was no surprise that Boise State would one day leave the WAC, but it still was jolting that “one day” would be today. The Broncos will be joining the Mountain West.

Sort of reminds me of a guy who invites himself to a party.

For all of the posturing, this is a blow to the WAC — and UH — with a direct hit to the bank accounts. Boise’s departure means:

• Losing potential BCS money.

• Having a diminished national TV value.

• Losing the Humanitarian Bowl.

• Forcing the remaining WAC football teams to scramble for one more game each year starting in 2011. (And that won’t be easy to fill, since UH has filled the bookened dates. It’s tougher to book the October/November pukas.)

For the WAC, there is no good news.

If you’re keeping score, that makes 13 schools that have left the WAC in the past 12 years, with Boise State joining Brigham Young, Utah, Colorado State, Air Force, Wyoming, UNLV, San Diego State, New Mexico, Rice, Tulsa, SMU and UTEP.

Somebody better put one of those tracking bracelets on Nevada, Fresno State and Louisiana Tech, or else UH will be competing for a real Independence Bowl.

Here’s WAC commission Karl Benson’s statement (from the WAC site):

WAC Commissioner Karl Benson-

“While I am disappointed that Boise State has elected to leave the WAC, I am very optimistic that the WAC will continue to have success in the future and that this change in membership will allow us to build even a better WAC for the future. The WAC has been very good for Boise State and Boise State has been very good for the WAC.  But it’s not the first time a school has left the WAC and each time it has happened, a school or group of schools have stepped up and performed at a level that brings the WAC national credibility. We have a very strong foundation of schools going forward and others that are showing vast improvement in their athletics’ programs, and I expect that one of these teams will do just that – step up and perform. And as I have said many times – when schools join the WAC, they get better and I am sure that too will be the case regardless of the team or teams that will join the WAC in the coming months. The WAC Board of Directors will begin immediately to evaluate possible replacement teams.  However, a specific timeline has yet to be determined as we continue to follow the changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics that is currently underway.”

* * * * *

Jim Donovan said UH will petition for an interpretation on USC’s ban of playing a 13th game. Donovan believes it would create a financial hardship for UH if the 2010 season opener were to be canceled. It also can be argued that USC’s violations occurred after the UH-USC contracts were signed.

* * * * *

Congrats to Mike Trapasso for receiving a well-deserved contract extension, especially after being on win-or-else terms the past two years.

With that done, it’s time to:

• Hire another full-time worker for the compliance office. We all grumble, but the compliance office is understaffed. And, as USC found out, a good compliance office can save a lot of grief later.

• Hire a full-time receptionist for the football department. There are new offices, new conference rooms, even a new bathroom. But football still doesn’t have a full-time receptionist or secretary.

• Hire another full-time coach for the weight room. And while we’re spreading the money, how about a pay boost for strength coach Tommy Heffernan, who now is taking on full responsibility for the football program.


  1. Hobah June 11, 2010 12:38 am

    Hoooray I’m first!!!!!!!!

  2. Pomai June 11, 2010 1:22 am


  3. Pomai June 11, 2010 1:22 am

    Still no numbers?

  4. WATCH GODGIFU June 11, 2010 1:33 am


  5. WATCH GODGIFU June 11, 2010 1:33 am

    I always wanted to take the fifth!

    Morning Hawaii!

  6. Pride. June 11, 2010 2:22 am

    Hire a full-time receptionist for the football department. There are new offices, new conference rooms, even a new bathroom. But football still doesn’t have a full-time receptionist or secretary.

    You’ve got to be kidding. Why waste money on a full time secretary. Having a full-time secretary means that you will need to have a bigtime, fulltime, football program. Wouldn’t want that would we?

  7. wafan June 11, 2010 2:35 am

    Merry Aloha Friday!

  8. wafan June 11, 2010 2:36 am

    One more Friday to go this school year.


  9. al June 11, 2010 2:49 am

    don’t you guys sleep?

  10. SteveM June 11, 2010 2:56 am

    Who’s awake? Al?
    I’m getting hungry…

  11. WATCH GODGIFU June 11, 2010 3:00 am


    I slept – of course I am six hours ahead of your time zone!

  12. SteveM June 11, 2010 3:12 am

    I’m up because I was working on a few photos from the Big Karaoke Call last weekend. I keep walking off to talk to someone and leave my camera on the table. I put the camera on the table so I don’t forget to take pix… 🙁 Then you have to consider some pix just should not be posted. 🙄

    Anyway, what I have posted for now is at the bottom (chronologically) of the Karaoke Call web page at:

  13. SteveM June 11, 2010 3:15 am

    WATCH GODIFU — have you posted under another name here? Please tell what city/state you reside in.

  14. mctruck June 11, 2010 3:22 am

    usc on espn allowing fb recruits to leave with no strings attatched due to sanctions imposed on the school from ncaa violations.

  15. SteveM June 11, 2010 3:23 am

    Been a long time since Al and I competed to see who fell asleep in their computer chairs first….

    ST — there is a difference between a receptionist versus a secretary. Maybe a receptionist can be provided with student help (does the UH still have those hires? I used to be on long ago). A secretary position requires higher skill sets and compensation.

  16. mctruck June 11, 2010 3:23 am


    good morning my friend.

  17. SteveM June 11, 2010 3:26 am

    Hey mctruck! Glad you’ve been with us all this time!

  18. LizKauai (iPhone) June 11, 2010 3:27 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!
    In LA waiting for the flt to Newark.

    ST comes up with good ideas. Glad the UH AD reads this blog. 😆

    congrats, Coach Trap!

    A Hui Hou!

  19. Garret June 11, 2010 3:28 am

    I agree with ST on the need for another compliance officer! I’ve been talking about the need for this for years and it hurts UH on the field every time a recruit is lost at the last minute or a player doesn’t get a 6th year or gets it late (Francis Maka).

    I full-time receptionist would be nice for the program, but a fully staffed compliance office is a necessity for the Athletic Department! Even other WAC schools with much smaller Athletic Department budgets can support 3 full-time compliance people!

    Trouble is, the Athletic Department has to *cut* staff instead of add people until the budget is balanced. They cannot cut coaches, so they just don’t fill all of the positions.

    Another compliance person would be nice. A full-time receptionist would be nice. Raising salaries would be nice. But how does an Athletic Department with a $2 million deficit afford that? The Student Fee won’t even cover all of the deficit, so UH has to raise additional money (like with the parking auction) and may have to find other things to cut just to break even.

  20. Garret June 11, 2010 3:29 am

    I went to USC’s website and they have *7* compliance people listed.

  21. Garret June 11, 2010 3:31 am

    If Texas A&M and Oklahoma go to the SEC instead, could *Kansas State* end up in the Pac-10?

    Currie is also close friends with Arizona athletic director Greg Byrne. Should the Pac-10 miss out on some of the teams it is reportedly courting — Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State — sources mentioned that connection could benefit K-State.

    A source close to the athletic department said the Pac-10 could be interested in both Kansas and K-State in the scenario that it misses out on some of the teams it is reportedly courting — Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

  22. Garret June 11, 2010 3:32 am

    40 Athletic Directors and all the conference commissioners will be meeting for the next few days. Given all the conference shuffling going on, those meetings should have some interesting discussions.

    Thursday, Currie hopped on a plane for Florida to speak with even more. A K-State spokesperson said Currie will be out of town until Tuesday, and will spend the next few days at Orange Bowl meetings with 40 other athletic directors and nine conference commissioners.

  23. SteveM June 11, 2010 3:37 am

    Good morning, Garret.

    USC has/had 7 compliance officers? The job market might open up. BTW. if found a photo of you with Wreck and Kama that I forgot to post last year (Rich2176 Ticket Karaoke Call). I added it.

  24. LizKauai (iPhone) June 11, 2010 3:42 am

    Thanks for the pix, SteveM!

    Suggestion- have the newest events at the top to save scroll and wait 😆

  25. SteveM June 11, 2010 3:44 am

    LizKauai — are you traveling in a group or by yourself? In any event, “Safe Journey” for now and “Break a Leg” when you get there! Huh…

  26. Garret June 11, 2010 4:01 am

    By the way, I got the link for the financial data from WSN. Unfortunately, that data was 5-6 years old, so it doesn’t apply to today’s Athletic Departments. So, I’m guessing that most Athletic Departments today are losing money unless they have a big TV contract to bail them out.

  27. Garret June 11, 2010 4:02 am


    From what I read 2 years ago, Alabama has *8* full-time people in their compliance department just for football!

  28. LizKauai (iPhone) June 11, 2010 4:30 am

    SteveM. I am alone the first 2 legs but meet up with 11 or so more members in Newark. Time to make new friends!
    Actually, two former Hawaii peeps are in the choir too.

  29. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 5:26 am

    Good morning Steve M and Garret !

    Beautiful Friday morning here in Los Angeles with sunny skies and clear clouds with tempertures warming up. The new blog is a lot different from the old one as I don’t see any numbers and typing in this setter is quite longer from the other BUT we can’t have everything !

    World Cup is on as my team “Brasil” I am always looking forward to cheer and win as I played professionally over there for Rio Claro which is 2 hours away from Sao Pualo. Enjoyed Brasil back then in 92 as samba, cuba livre and carnival was a “TREMENDOUS” experience !

    Happy King Kamehameha Day to ALL of you good folks as I remember my younger playing days in Hawaii I would marvel at the stature and enjoy all the beautiful leis around him.

    Taking it easy today as I gather with you good folks and share quality words of communication as all is quiet here in Trojan land until I get out and see my USC associates, colleagues and friends as I know yesterday events still have them in a up roar !

    Have a good day guys and always enjoy life to the fullest !

  30. jm2375 June 11, 2010 6:07 am

    Good morning Tsai-kos!!
    Happy King Kamehameha Day to you all!

    OK, some of us have to go to work, so, in the words of Aaaaahnie, “I’ll be back”

  31. Annoddah Dave June 11, 2010 6:14 am

    ST & Tsaiko Blog Dogs,

    With all the stuff Garrett writes about regarding the conference shuffles, maybe we will literally, be left in the middle of the ocean. As such, UH will need to re-think their conference ties. There may come a time when the Pacific Rim conference will arise with universities in Japan, Korea, Australia, Micronesia, and Hawaii. Of course, football as we know it may become extinct and some high tech version of it ala Rollerball, Tron, or some other sci-fi type competition will take its place (I hope it is not some mega cyber version of Grand Theft Auto). Change is hard but a necessary thing to keep us from stagnating not only personally but culturally.

  32. d1島 June 11, 2010 6:21 am

    Great Morning All!

    As Garret says, it’s a challenge finding funding for new or unfilled positions when their is a running deficit with which to contend however, in some cases it may make sense to go ahead with the expenditure if it falls into the category of an “investment” towards the betterment of the department.
    It would seem that another person in the compliance office might fit the bill.

  33. d1島 June 11, 2010 6:24 am

    I notice that the remaining Inner Circle parking passes can be purchased for $250 today. I wonder if this will impact the tax-deductible amount for those who paid $400 on the 1st day of the “reverse auction”?

  34. Pomai June 11, 2010 6:30 am

    Garret Says:
    June 11th, 2010 at 3:28 am
    I agree with ST on the need for another compliance officer! I’ve been talking about the need for this for years and it hurts UH on the field every time a recruit is lost at the last minute or a player doesn’t get a 6th year or gets it late (Francis Maka).

    I full-time receptionist would be nice for the program, but a fully staffed compliance office is a necessity for the Athletic Department! Even other WAC schools with much smaller Athletic Department budgets can support 3 full-time compliance people!

    Trouble is, the Athletic Department has to *cut* staff instead of add people until the budget is balanced. They cannot cut coaches, so they just don’t fill all of the positions.

    Another compliance person would be nice. A full-time receptionist would be nice. Raising salaries would be nice. But how does an Athletic Department with a $2 million deficit afford that? The Student Fee won’t even cover all of the deficit, so UH has to raise additional money (like with the parking auction) and may have to find other things to cut just to break even.

    Garret I have said this many times before but they could try to use some volunteer help to ease up the work load in the compliance department, also in other area’s of the athletic department. There are a lot of retired fans who would be willing to help out, without a cost to the department.

  35. d1島 June 11, 2010 6:31 am

    Have a terrific day erryboddy, lucky if you get to relax on da holiday…

    Oddawise, HiHo!

  36. Pomai June 11, 2010 6:32 am

    d1 I can’t see why.

  37. d1島 June 11, 2010 6:32 am


    No need subject da Kupuna to the wrath of the Unions!


  38. CHEE! June 11, 2010 6:40 am

    “I notice that the remaining Inner Circle parking passes can be purchased for $250 today. I wonder if this will impact the tax-deductible amount for those who paid $400 on the 1st day of the “reverse auction”?”

    I hope NOT!! ;(

  39. Garret June 11, 2010 6:47 am


    Volunteer workers could be a major NCAA violation risk because anyone who has donated to UH or supported UH in any way would be considered a booster. The people who would volunteer would probably fall into that category. Having boosters work in the compliance department would be a huge risk because every time they talked to a student-athlete and every time they worked on a file for a student-athlete they could easily commit an NCAA violation.

    I guess the only way it would be considered okay would be for someone to volunteer who has never donated to UH and never supported UH in any way. But why would those people work for free in the compliance department? And why would be want a fan of some other school (like Fresno State) be able to get UH’s players declared ineligible by making a “mistake” on one of the files?

    If you think about the implications of allowing boosters to be in charge of eligibility of athletes, especially how schools in the SEC would abuse that, you’ll see why the NCAA would monitor any school that let boosters volunteer in the compliance department.

  40. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 6:48 am

    More detail information on USC has revealed that Reggie Bush received $600,000.00 in benefits as well as his Mother and Step Father receiving a “NEW” luxury house in San Diego. Bush NEVER co-operated with the NCAA as he was aarogant and evasive towards them as many insiders feel if he was contrite and forthright 4 years ago when all of this went down then the penalties would of not been to severe as you have read on the infractions and penalties.

    USC to this day claims “they did not see this coming” as Kiffin is doing his best to damage control but it has been approved this morning that USC Juniors and Seniors can transfer to any school with out sitting out as good folks you may have USC coming in September with nothing but freshmen, sophomores and walk on’s making up their roster !

    If there is any time to get SC will be NOW as watching them devour us over the years has not been a good feeling as the program is in complete “PANIC” mode as LA media is reporting that AD Mike Garret is in deep trouble in losing his job !

    Kiffin on the record is trying his best to keep future recruits that have verbally committed BUT that has taken a twist of Faith as future prize players who want to come can’t come because of no scholarships being available with 30 being the magic number that the NCAA has taken away from the Cardinal and Gold.

    When it rains it pours as SC Juniors and Seniors are up for the taking BUT they may be tainted too as it is not only Reggie Bush but many other SC players who have been receiving extra benefits BUT not on the same level of #5 who will lose his Heisman and will “NEVER” be welcome to USC again !

  41. Garret June 11, 2010 6:51 am

    For example, anyone who donated to the bracelets for the softball team, or paid a seat license for football, joined Na Koa, or even donated for the bike, would be considered a booster. Slugger would be a great volunteer, but she would be considered a booster for UH and could bring a huge NCAA headache if UH let her volunteer in compliance.

    UH could end up having to pay 2 full-time compliance people just to make sure they could use volunteer help in compliance!

  42. Garret June 11, 2010 6:54 am


    If you read the *long* NCAA report on the violations, the NCAA has the phone records that show exactly what day and time USC’s RB coach talked with the agents that bought the house for Bush’s family. The agents asked USC’s RB coach to talk to Bush to honor his commitment with the agents since they put out all that money.

    Not only did the RB coach *not* report Bush to the NCAA, he let Bush continue to play that season even though he knew that Bush should have been ineligible. The RB coach was not fired and *still* works for USC (for at least a few more days maybe), so USC is on the hook for his actions.

  43. Garret June 11, 2010 6:56 am

    Article in the main Atlanta paper discusses why Texas has to listen to the SEC now. It is interesting that the governor of Texas is an A&M grad and that Stallings (long-time Alabama football coach) in on the Board of Regents for A&M while he lives in Atlanta and wants A&M to go to the SEC.

    Texas must listen to what the SEC has to say: Texas and Texas A&M officials met on Thursday in a attempt to salvage the Big 12. They didn’t find a way. That could certainly still be done by bringing on TCU and another worthy school. But I talked to several people last night who said there is a rift developing between Texas and Texas A&M over where to go if the Big 12 breaks up. Texas A&M athletics director Bill Byrne wants to listen to the SEC. Former Alabama coach Gene Stallings, who lives in the area, is a member of the Texas A&M Board of Regents and tells Byrne that the SEC will be a much better fit for the Aggies. Would the political class in Austin allow the Longhorns and the Aggies to go in different directions?

  44. Garret June 11, 2010 6:57 am

    I remember how a couple of weeks ago the SEC’s commissioner publicly said that they would let Texas have their own TV network even if they joined the SEC…that was a big concession to Texas that might help Texas A&M convince Texas to go to the SEC.

    There is a potential deal breaker out there for Texas and the Pac-10: Texas athletics director DeLoss Dodds has long talked about setting up the Longhorns’ own television network for those events not covered by the bigger network packages. The Pac-10 financial model, which will look like the Big Ten’s, would not allow for that. The SEC will point out that in their league, schools are allowed to have their own networks and to keep the money they make. The Pac-10 could make some financial concessions to Texas to take this into account.

  45. Garret June 11, 2010 6:59 am

    The SEC will apparently not expand unless the Big 10 goes to 16 teams.

    The SEC will not feel threatened by a Pac-16: Even if Texas comes on board and the other Big 12 schools follow to form the Pac-16, the SEC will not feel compelled to expand. But if the Big Ten, which is expected to add Nebraska today, goes to 16 then the SEC will have some very tough decisions to make. A report by Teddy Greenstein in the Chicago Tribune said that the Big Ten could potentially double the money earned from its TV deals and Big Ten network if the right five teams are brought into the league. So if you’re an SEC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Also if you’re an ACC fan, keep your eye on the Big Ten. Because if the SEC feels it HAS to expand and the Texas schools are not available, the ACC will become vulnerable.

  46. Garret June 11, 2010 6:59 am

    The Big 10 could force Notre Dame to join them by using Missouri as a backup plan.

    The Big Ten could have one last card to play with Notre Dame: It goes something like this. Nebraska comes on board to expand the footprint to the West. Then the Big Ten raids the Big East for Syracuse, Rutgers, and Pittsburgh to lock up some Eastern markets. There is one slot left to form the Big 16. Notre Dame can fill that slot but the Irish brass has to ask for it. Notre Dame will understand that if it shows no interest, the slot goes to Missouri. How would you like to be Missouri and have to sweat that one out? A couple of weeks ago it looked like Missouri was a lock for the Big Ten.

  47. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 7:00 am

    Have a pleasant King Kamehameha Day good folks as I am off to enjoy the roads of sunshine and places in Los Angeles with sounds of “NA LEO” blasting from my 4 door european coupe sedan !

  48. Garret June 11, 2010 7:00 am

    I completely agree with this part of the article.

    After what happened yesterday with the football and men’s basketball programs at USC, how in the world does athletics director Mike Garrett keep his job?

  49. bb June 11, 2010 7:02 am

    Okay so Boise is gone.

    What’s next for the WHACK?

  50. Pomai June 11, 2010 7:03 am

    Garret that would also apply to anyone working in the department correct, paid or volunteer? So if a person is paid to make copies, run errants, do odds an ends are they not subject to the same rules that a volunteer would be. Just because you support a team doesn’t mean that you can not be objective in your work. If just a little of the grunt work was taken away from the compliance officer wouldn’t that help them to be able to spend more of their time on important matters?

  51. chopsueyboy June 11, 2010 7:04 am

    Rainbow Cliff

    Love watching World Cup soccer. Can you explain what is that buzzing sound that continues during the entire match? Is the sound worse in person? Mahalo.

  52. Garret June 11, 2010 7:04 am

    BSU to the MWC just became official!

    ESPN’s Joe Schad is reporting that the Boise State will join the Mountain West today.

    The news was also reported on SportsCenter: “Boise State will be announced as the next member of the Mountain West Conference today, a source with direct knowledge of the pending announcement tells Joe Schad.”

  53. Colomaohana June 11, 2010 7:05 am

    SteveM: Mahaloz for putting up the pics!

    OMG, homey was right…..I really AM white fo’ one book-book. ((((Tsai))))

  54. Colomaohana June 11, 2010 7:05 am


    Howzit and Good morning gang!

  55. Garret June 11, 2010 7:10 am


    *Paid* compliance workers are considered a part of the University, *unpaid* workers would be considered boosters. It is fine for paid workers to donate to the University (heck, at some Universities I worked at, it was assumed you would and they took it right out of your paycheck.

  56. Garret June 11, 2010 7:12 am

    Press release on BSU’s website:

    Boise State University today has accepted the invitation to join the Mountain West Conference and become its 10th member institution, effective July 1, 2011.

  57. Pomai June 11, 2010 7:14 am

    Good glad to see you and your smurf turf go.

  58. Pomai June 11, 2010 7:20 am

    Sorry this is being mean, but I hope they raid the poop out of the MWC.

  59. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 7:20 am

    Garret, USC is coming apart little by little as AD Mike Garret and the trifiling Running Back Coach will eventually be dismiss.MONEY & POWER is what USC is all about and Mike Garret does have heavy connections with boosters and alumnus who like him BUT this is a MAJOR blow to their HUGE egos and will cost USC millions of dollars over the long haul as many supporters coming to Hawaii to watch the game vs. the Warriors will not be large as anticipated.

    Not only football has been penalized, basketball behind OJ Mayo and the Women’s Tennis Team has been found “GUILTY” of improper violations as the “HITS” keep on coming !

    Take care Garret and best regards to your lovely family !

  60. Pomai June 11, 2010 7:23 am

    Also with taking BSu I really don’t think that it will help MWC get into the BcS like they want. Why do you think all this realignment is going on? They want bigger to keep it all to themselves. But I do think they stand a chance of messing things up bu getting the congress involved in this.

  61. Kazz June 11, 2010 7:23 am

    Seems like it would be in the WAC’s interest for Texas to LEAVE the Big 12. We may be able to poach UNLV or San Diego State from the MWC.

  62. Slugger June 11, 2010 7:25 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!!! Happy Aloha Friday & King Kamehameha Day!

    BSU down, next domino…

  63. Kazz June 11, 2010 7:30 am

    From our “fearless leader” 🙄

    WAC Commissioner Karl Benson-

    “While I am disappointed that Boise State has elected to leave the WAC, I am very optimistic that the WAC will continue to have success in the future and that this change in membership will allow us to build even a better WAC for the future. The WAC has been very good for Boise State and Boise State has been very good for the WAC. But it’s not the first time a school has left the WAC and each time it has happened, a school or group of schools have stepped up and performed at a level that brings the WAC national credibility. We have a very strong foundation of schools going forward and others that are showing vast improvement in their athletics’ programs, and I expect that one of these teams will do just that – step up and perform. And as I have said many times – when schools join the WAC, they get better and I am sure that too will be the case regardless of the team or teams that will join the WAC in the coming months. The WAC Board of Directors will begin immediately to evaluate possible replacement teams. However, a specific timeline has yet to be determined as we continue to follow the changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics that is currently underway.”

  64. expat June 11, 2010 7:31 am

    The guys must not let BSU will the WAC this year. Send them out on a low note.

  65. Kazz June 11, 2010 7:33 am

    Ok so it’s happened. We’re down to 8 teams.

    8 Football Teams
    8 Women’s Volleyball Teams
    7 Softball Teams
    8 Mens and Women’s Basketball Teams
    …and baseball stays the same.

    I don’t care if it’s BSU or Idaho that left. Benson better get to work and start making some connections.

  66. Kazz June 11, 2010 7:35 am

    expat Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 7:31 am
    The guys must not let BSU will the WAC this year. Send them out on a low note.

    That wouldn’t mean anything. In the end Boise State won and we’re left holding on to our okoles.

    I wonder what’s to become of our deal with ESPN sans their love-affair with BSU football.

  67. skycap June 11, 2010 7:35 am



  68. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 7:38 am

    Chopsueyboy: The sounds you hear at World Cup Soccer matches are these long huge horns that fanatic fans brings with them and are allowed in the stadium as watching a World Cup Soccer Match is an “AWESOME” experience !

    Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Africa Teams, France, Germany and Italy are notorious with the horns as it is “LOUD” with fans dressed in their teams colors, face painted with wild and crazy cheers for their beloved team and country !

    LOVE World Cup as “futball” is loved out side the United States and it is a must see event and National past time as the entire country celebrate it’s teams and players when they play as there is no one on the streets of Brazil as everybody is watching Brazil play with the city completely empty and every cafe and bar filled to capacity !

    Advante Brasil !

  69. Pomai June 11, 2010 7:41 am

    skycap sorry no can the NCAA has decided that her mother’s, sister’s, son-in-law’s, cousin’s, nice’s son is a booster.

  70. Garret June 11, 2010 7:45 am


    As long as UH *pays* the workers, it is okay for them to work in compliance. I actually like skycap’s idea to have student workers serve as receptionists and as help for the compliance office. Student workers are cheap and they don’t have the overhead costs either…and students would love to help the Athletic Department and have jobs on campus!

  71. Garret June 11, 2010 7:46 am

    The Princess would be an amazing hire for UH’s Sports Information office. I could see stories and videos taken to the next level for UH Athletics if they hired her. She would love her job and do a great job for UH.

  72. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 7:53 am

    Always a pleasure reading your post’s good folks of Tsaiko Nation. We are in a battle with Boston for this NBA Championship and Andrew Bynum is ailing with his bum knee and it now comes down to a best of three !

    Need Lamar Odom to show up and hopefully Ron Artest can give us a shooting game in which ALL of LA fans panic when he hoist it up from the outside. Sunday is a BIG day for us as one thing for sure the series is coming back to LA and I will be there taking in the moment as the 7th wonder of the world in these Laker Fans here in Los Angeles will have their Laker gear on and voices loud with the chant “Boston Sucks” as it is “HILARIOUS” to see especially if it’s for the NBA crown !

    Take care folks and will chat with you later !

  73. Garret June 11, 2010 7:56 am

    The Big 12 is apparently investigating their ability to stick together even if they lose Texas and Texas A&M (Big 10? SEC?). Oklahoma is one of the schools left behind in the Big 12, so that conference will have some power.

    Source said Baylor, Kansas, OU have discussed fiscal viability of staying together with 10 teams

  74. Kazz June 11, 2010 8:00 am

    San Diego State and UNLV both field teams in women’s volleyball and in softball, not to mention the addition of two more teams in baseball if the WAC can snag them or at least one.

  75. EH NO MAKE! June 11, 2010 8:02 am

    Mr. Tsai,

    I will have to agree with you 100%!

    We have all been hearing and seeing the obvious results being delivered off the field and in the weight room with Tommy Heffernan as Strength and Conditioning coach at UH, he sure as heck deserves a boost in pay as you mention.

    If I am not mistaken, Heffernan assumed the football team’s responsibility after the departure of Mel DeLaura and STILL maintained the workload he already had, meaning EVERY OTHER athletic team on campus, and NEVER got a pay raise.

    Shouldn’t the department at the very least shift over the money they were already bugeted for DeLaura to Heffernan?
    I mean it does seem like an absolute NO-BRAINER, but then again it is UH right!

  76. Kazz June 11, 2010 8:03 am

    Garret Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 3:29 am
    I went to USC’s website and they have *7* compliance people listed.



  77. Garret June 11, 2010 8:05 am

    SDSU had to increase their student activity fee because their Athletic Department couldn’t afford to keep football otherwise. Their Athletic Department now gets $10 million from the student fee! Moving from the MWC to the WAC would cost them about $3 million per year due to TV contracts, NCAA basketball money, etc. That isn’t even counting the higher travel expenses.

    Given the latest round of budget cuts for the California State Universities, I think that SDSU would have to drop out of D-IA before they could move to the WAC. They simply cannot afford to lose that amount of money by switching conferences!

    It would be my dream for SDSU to be a WAC school because I could go to so many UH games for all sports. However, they cannot afford it.

  78. jm2375 June 11, 2010 8:09 am

    Good riddance to Boise. Don’t let the door hit you in the okole on your way out.

    (Just venting – don’t get on my case.)

  79. jm2375 June 11, 2010 8:14 am

    re: pay raise for Heffernan – is his position, in State & UH parlance, a permanent G-funded position? If so, the only way to give him more than the union-negotiated raise is to promote him into another position or upgrade his position, both of which mean they have to open a search, etc.

  80. bb June 11, 2010 8:17 am

    So now the USC game on 9/2 is in jeopardy?

    That just kills the value of my season tix.

  81. chopsueyboy June 11, 2010 8:22 am

    Rainbow Cliff

    In the early 1970’s I was in Thailand, and the whole city stopped when there was a match on tv, it didn’t matter who was playing. At the same time because a bunch on chinese youths overturned and put on fire police cars, there were tanks in the streets and little kids still playing futball around the tanks

  82. Kazz June 11, 2010 8:23 am


  83. Kazz June 11, 2010 8:26 am

    The value of season tickets is more properly related to the value of the program in which you possess season tickets for.

  84. Garret June 11, 2010 8:27 am

    If the NCAA sanctions will prevent USC from playing a 13th game, they will have to drop the UH game I guess…that would be so bad for UH, especially after JD got the Regents to approve the price increase for those tickets.

  85. Stephen Tsai June 11, 2010 8:31 am

    Somebody leave the door open?
    I just woke up and found out that he WAC only has eight teams.

  86. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:33 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Bye bye Boise! Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

  87. bb June 11, 2010 8:34 am

    What page in the official dox mentions how Reggie Bush’s family got the hook up for the Hawaii game back in 05?

    If the win is vacated…(because the family got the hook up) does that mean that game is no longer a ‘sellout’?

  88. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:35 am

    Tso tshocking eh Tsai?

  89. jojo ® June 11, 2010 8:37 am

    Anyone gonna leave Mountain West?

  90. Kazz June 11, 2010 8:40 am

    Stephen Tsai Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 8:31 am
    Somebody leave the door open?
    I just woke up and found out that he WAC only has eight teams.

    See what happens when ST falls asleep!

  91. mctruck June 11, 2010 8:45 am

    So, if I’m interpreting Benson correctly???…he’s just going to do what he’s always done for the rest of the WAC……nothing!!! Even less now that BSU is going to the MWC.(I’m surprised he didn’t get an escape clause to leave with BSU).

  92. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 8:46 am

    Hmm.. if they hire the Princess.. gotta come up with a better title than “Secretary” or “Office Admin” or Receptionist…

    morning all..!

  93. Garret June 11, 2010 8:47 am

    Nebraska made its leaving for the Big 10 official.

    he University of Nebraska has accepted an offer to join the Big Ten Conference, The Kansas City Star has learned.

    Late this morning, Nebraska officials contacted the Big Ten office, informing the league of the decision. Nebraska will become the 12th member of the Big Ten.

    Meanwhile, University of Texas regents will meet next week to decide whether the Longhorns will remain in the Big 12 or switch to another conference.

    The regents announced today that they will hold a meeting by telephone Tuesday for “discussion and appropriate action regarding athletic conference membership.”

  94. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 8:47 am

    Doesn’t the MWC now have to drop a team or pick up another?

  95. Don Weir June 11, 2010 8:47 am

    Eh No Make, et al

    Tommy’s job is state employment thus is limited in step and class. If raises are done outside of the state system then it will fall to Na Koa as it does currently for the FB Player Personnel position and subsidy for 1 coach as well as a tangential subsidy for all coaches via Na Koa paying for clinic expenses. This increase for Na Koa could be difficult for many reasons.

    Compliance is a whole different issue. I went through the compliance manual mutiple times for Na Koa issues and it is complex and confusing. Infractions, even if manini and not brought up by WAC and NCAA compliance officers, are often self reported by UH as well as all other NCAA schools (or so we believed until most recently). The NCAA limits the personnel that may work on compliance. This is a position that screams UHAD employment for safety sake.

    A receptionist would be a nice touch but at $2.2m and going up I believe that it is not in the budget. This is where a volunteer group could help out. Look at the success of the Aloha greeters at HNL (until the program was cut out) and at many of the town information centers: all volunteers.

  96. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:48 am

    Hi jojo! Hi mctruck! Howzit made! Wassup Kazz! Welcome bb!

    Good morning Tsai!

  97. bb June 11, 2010 8:49 am


    I know Chris and Gary read this stuff.

    Make sure you ask Almighty Karl Benson tough questions. No buttering up!

    put him on the spot. make him uncomfortable.

  98. OZ June 11, 2010 8:52 am

    jm2375 Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 8:14 am
    re: pay raise for Heffernan – is his position, in State & UH parlance, a permanent G-funded position? If so, the only way to give him more than the union-negotiated raise is to promote him into another position or upgrade his position, both of which mean they have to open a search, etc.

    Upgrade does not need a search. Promotion to another position does need a search.

  99. Garret June 11, 2010 8:53 am

    You can get the link to the 67-page NCAA report at this link. This part gives more details about how USC’s RB coach spent time with Bush and his agents while Bush was playing for USC. Note that USC *admitted* that their RB coach was with Bush and a recruit who was on an official visit when they spent time with Bush’s agents at a club! They admitted that a recruit on an official visit met with Bush’s agents right in front of their RB coach! And USC didn’t fire their RB coach when they admitted that!

    But it pales in comparison to the report’s smoking gun of institutional knowledge and negligence, a single paragraph on page 23 describing a phone call between running backs coach Todd McNair and would-be agent Lloyd Lake, one half of New Era Sports & Entertainment, the fledgling agency founded by Lake and Michael Michaels at the behest of Bush’s stepfather. New Era was responsible for the vast majority of funds and perks funneled to Bush in 2004-05; according to the report, McNair had become aware of at least part of the arrangement while attending a party in San Diego with a USC tutor in the spring of 2005. (The timeline suggests this was a birthday party for Marshall Faulk, also attended by Bush, whose hotel stay was gratis.) USC itself conceded it was “substantially correct” that McNair, Bush and a recruit on an official visit were together with both New Era partners in a club on Oct. 29, 2005, after multiple phone calls from McNair to Lake. McNair also appeared in a photo that night with Lake and a mutual friend, actor/comedian Faizon Love, who later reportedly hooked Lake up with notorious L.A. gangster Suge Knight to help “negotiate” after the agency’s relationship with Bush had broken down.

  100. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:56 am


    Has Benson indicated that he has any kind of contingencies for the WAC in light of all the conference realignment?

  101. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 8:56 am

    I hope Carl Benson is at least trying to salvage the USC game by talking with someone from the NCAA! The way things are quickly panning out.. USC may be our last “big” game for years to come… I suspect UH may have to reschedule some for 2011 and forward…

  102. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:57 am


  103. Pomai June 11, 2010 9:00 am

    It gets kind of depressing when you look at all this movement, it seems that no matter what UH is left holding the bag once again.

  104. jm2375 June 11, 2010 9:02 am

    Oz – position upgrades take *much* longer than promotions. The upgrade has to be approved by the BOR, if the position is designated as BOR-appointed.

  105. greenthumb June 11, 2010 9:05 am

    longtime lurker there, and here. 😀

    You guys are doing a great job holding Benson’s feet to the fire regarding conference stuff. I also want to thank Garret for the links and the rest of you for explaining stuff so clearly! And props to RainbowCliff for the on-the-ground news from USC. Thank you all.

    What finally pushed me to post is my irritation with how passive the WAC office is being. We need to be hearing from Benson, like right now, that he has contacted the appropriate powers for a determination on the UH-USC game. As you guys have pointed out over the years, Benson is supposed to be working for UH and the other WAC teams. Let’s see a little more proactivity, not just reactivity, huh?

  106. OZ June 11, 2010 9:07 am

    jm2375 Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 9:02 am
    Oz – position upgrades take *much* longer than promotions. The upgrade has to be approved by the BOR, if the position is designated as BOR-appointed.

    No it does not have to be approved by the BOR, it can be approved by Manoa Human Resources. Upgrades of most APT positions were delegated by the BOR.

  107. kama krab June 11, 2010 9:10 am

    Howzit Everybody,

    The craziness officially begins. Hopefully U.H. doesn’t get caught with it’s pants down and hopefully Benson can lift his jaw of the ground long enough to counter the BSU move.

    Hold on people it may be a fun day a movement. This probably will not be the last move of the day. Next Nebraska to the Big 10? or does Notre Dame end the madness for now by joining the Big 10?

  108. Pomai June 11, 2010 9:10 am

    You would have thought we had learned our lesson when Texas pulled out or Michigan, we should have had a very large buyout in the contract with usc to cancel.

  109. Stephen Tsai June 11, 2010 9:11 am

    It seems like Mel deLaura had a special arrangement with the football. I wonder if that could extend to Heffernan.

  110. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 9:15 am

    Welcome greenthumb! Where are you posting from? (SteveM is gonna ask you that soon enough. 😆 ) You make some good points! Keep posting!

  111. bb June 11, 2010 9:22 am

    I read portions of that report. Gosh, USC did some shady stuff. I did a search for the term “Hawaii” and it comes up multiple times in regards to the 2005 game.

  112. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:23 am

    So what’s to stop the MWC from picking up the two Kansas teams and offering spots to Fresno and Nevada ?

  113. tom June 11, 2010 9:24 am

    ON THE BRIGHT SIDE………Uh has better chance to win the WAC!!!!

  114. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:26 am

    I can visualize Carl Benson in his office.. chanting…
    fingers crossed…
    legs crossed…

    “Thank God it’s Friday… Thank God it’s Friday… Thank God it’s Friday… OHmmmmmmm”

  115. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:26 am


    What WAC?

  116. greenthumb June 11, 2010 9:29 am

    Da Punchbowl Kid — thank you! So here is another once, certainly Uncle Herman put a cancellation penalty clause into the contract with USC. Right?! (on my roaming Oahu laptop)

    madeinhawaii — not Benson, at this rate. 🙁

  117. SteveM June 11, 2010 9:30 am

    * yawn *
    Good morning everyone!

    My largest regret about Boise leaving (aside from the bowl and post season $$$ they shared) is that we never beat them on that ugly blue field of theirs. But we have one more chance this year…

  118. chopsueyboy June 11, 2010 9:33 am

    they should make a Mr. Potato Head for our commish instead of Elvis

  119. Kazz June 11, 2010 9:33 am

    Boise State has given the Mountain West Conference a 10th program.

    Boise State is leaving the Western Athletic Conference, a league the Broncos have dominated for a decade in football, the MWC confirmed with a statement Friday.

    “We are pleased and excited to welcome Boise State University to the Mountain West Conference,” commissioner Craig Thompson said in the news release. “Since our inception just 11 short years ago, the Mountain West has experienced tremendous success, and the addition of Boise State will further enhance that strength. The MWC continues to strategize regarding potential membership scenarios and bringing Boise State into the Conference is an important part of that evolution.”

    Boise State becomes the second institution to join the Mountain West in the past six years, after TCU was added in 2005. The conference was founded in 1998 with eight members.

    The Mountain West also includes Brigham Young, Utah, Air Force, Wyoming, UNLV, San Diego State, New Mexico and Colorado State.

    “It will be a privilege to compete and partner with such a successful group of member institutions,” Boise State president Robert Kustra said in a statement. “This move is in the best interests of Boise State’s future, and the university is excited to be part of one of the nation’s most outstanding conferences.”

    Thompson had said Monday the Mountain West would hold off on expansion until the dust settles in the other conferences.

    WAC commissioner Karl Benson figured Boise State was bound to bolt for the Mountain West. So much so that as the WAC board of directors and athletic directors assembled in Las Vegas for the conference’s annual meeting this week, they discussed contingency plans.

    The conference didn’t want to be caught off guard.

    “I think everyone was anticipating and expecting it,” Benson said in a conference call Monday night. “All the signals out there were pointing in the direction that any invitation would come today. … This is an unbelievably volatile period. The poker playing that is going on I think is unprecedented.

    “Regardless of what changes might occur, we are poised to move forward either with our existing membership or with any membership changes that may occur.”

    Benson said there wasn’t any bitterness toward Boise State officials at the meeting, the relationship remaining quite cordial.

    The WAC is keeping its options open, too, scouring for schools. Benson said there are five or six candidates from the Football Championship Series the conference is keeping an eye on.

    However, Benson wouldn’t elaborate on which schools might potentially be in the mix.

    “Regardless of what the Mountain West might do, or Boise State might do, the WAC is going to continue to be a credible and recognizable conference,” Benson said.


    The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
    He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
    He leadeth me beside the still waters.
    He restoreth my soul:
    He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name’ sake.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
    I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
    Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
    Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
    Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.

    Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
    and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

    FCS teams… Jesus… 🙄

  120. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:35 am


    Why would you want to waste a perfectly good potato?

  121. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:36 am

    FCS…that’s BENSON.. how can the WAC go any further when the head thinks so lowly of his own conference… sheesh.

  122. chopsueyboy June 11, 2010 9:37 am


    then we can deep fry him

  123. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:40 am

    Like it or not, the WAC has become a FARM conference of D1 football…

  124. Darren June 11, 2010 9:41 am

    Division IAA schools (FCS)…the future of the WAC….that’s the brutal reality of it. Who else is the WAC gonna convince to come over?? The WAC is a mid-major conference with some decent to good top teams, and bottom feeders that teeter on Division IA eligibility.

    Best hope is for someone else to pillage the top MWC teams, then Fresno, Nevada and Hawaii beg to get in (seems to work). Imagine the welcoming look that we’d get from Boise.

  125. tom June 11, 2010 9:42 am

    madeinhawaii Says:
    June 11th, 2010 at 9:26 am

    What WAC?

    Made….The Weak @ss Conference of course

  126. SteveM June 11, 2010 9:47 am

    Da Punchbowl Kid Says:
    June 11th, 2010 at 9:15 am
    Welcome greenthumb! Where are you posting from? (SteveM is gonna ask you that soon enough. ) You make some good points! Keep posting!

    DPK — thanks for asking. While the techies have statistical data on hits outside of Hawaii, we don’t see it. Besides, as bloggers we are more interested in the person than IP address. While the methodology is crude, we have found these interesting people over the years… 🙂

  127. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:48 am

    So we have another 12 game schedule for 2011? Aiyah! I expect that too will be another FCS school filling that slot… too bad… The impact to UH is huge.. if USC pulls out this season there will be a lot of clamoring for refunds or partial refunds on season tickets… Student activity fees don’t go into effect till 2011 so that won’t help offset anything for 2010…

    Deep kaka..
    deep deep deep…and deeper
    and Benson is looking to add another FCS… sheesh.. more expense.. less TV revenues..

  128. Pomai June 11, 2010 9:50 am

    Sorry folks we are screwed again by Benson, to me it all started to fall apart a few years ago when we had his brother as the AD. I said a long time ago that the fumbler was out to destroy UH sports, I have to think he is still at it, maybe not at what he is doing now but what he did in the past.

  129. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:53 am

    Maybe for UH to survive they will have to find a way to reschedule their time slots.. earlier games on Saturday? Maybe even Sunday… Be the last available game to televise in a time slot that would still find football fans in much of the US still awake. Even if it’s just the second half.

  130. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 9:56 am

    We (number of posters) might have saved the blog but how do you save UH football?

  131. oldie June 11, 2010 9:57 am

    Doesn’t it make sense for the WAC to look for a new commissioner? Karl Benson’s association with BSU makes it questionable as to where his loyalty lies.

  132. Pomai June 11, 2010 9:59 am

    oldie there is no question it lies with BSu not the WAC

  133. Kazz June 11, 2010 10:03 am



    I’m ready for it 12/21/2012.

    If this destroys UH athletics as a whole as we know it, screw it! I’d rather be dead.

  134. Old Diver June 11, 2010 10:04 am

    My take on SDSU is they are losing money by the boatload because they can’t compete in the MWC. Playing TCU, BYU, Utah and now Boise as well as traveling to high altitude venues is killing attendance at home football games. TV money cannot compensate for their lousy football team. Winning is SDSU’s only hope to survive as a D1A program. Staying in the MWC because of TV money is like placing a band aid over a gunshot wound. It might extend your life for a few minutes but unless you get real medical help you ain’t surviving. Joining the WAC might be a leap of faith but when you are doomed anyway might as well be worth a try. Garret your thoughts?

  135. A-joe June 11, 2010 10:06 am

    Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson said his league is boosting its strength by adding a football program that’s captured the nation’s imagination, and prime-time television exposure.

    Boise has lost all their underdog appeal by leaving the WAC. They will become just an average run of the mill program stuck in mediocrity between Utah and BYU.

    “This move is in the best interests of Boise State’s future, and the university is excited to be part of one of the nation’s most outstanding conferences,” Kustra said.

    Good luck, BSU. I wish you all the best.

    Lets move forward with the programs that remain. Lets build better ties with fellow WAC members that go beyond athletics.

  136. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 10:09 am

    Yep.. now all those MWC teams will be hand picking recruits from Boise’s back yard each time they come to play.

  137. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 10:11 am

    Who from Hawaii went to Boise this year and last year and even the previous year? We won’t see them come 2012?

  138. A-joe June 11, 2010 10:18 am

    BTW- For all of us who grew up in the 70’s, actor Ikeda Shunsuke who played Ichiro on Kikaida 0-1 passed away.

    RIP 0-1!

  139. ct June 11, 2010 10:20 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Happy Kamehameha Day!!!

    Pretty disappointed from what I read so far of Commissioner Benson’s statements. Sounds a drowning man going down with the ship, but the difference is that this so-called Captain has no plan. We expect much more than that he had months or a least a week after recent speculations to come up with a plan or at least a stronger statement to signal other schools that we will survive.

    Thanks Garrett and everyone for the info.


  140. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 10:21 am

    It’s not a far stretch to say that Boise St was not only the marquee team in the WAC but also the team that gave the conference any credibility. Making it to 2 BCS AND winning both.

    If Hawaii were to be competitive in the sense of getting higher national rankings year in and out and winning a BCS bowl would it have made any difference? Would MWC find any need to add us?

    I dont like the fact that we have to look towards expansion in at the D-1AA level…If we thought our conference credibility was in question since 1999, well you get the picture.

    There HAS to be another option out there, somewhere, over the rainbow.

  141. 808ike June 11, 2010 10:24 am

    Happy Kam Day everyone.

  142. oldie June 11, 2010 10:25 am

    As the oldest member of the WAC, Hawaii should push for a commissioner that would have the best interest of the WAC and Hawaii in mind.

    How about Bob Hogue, currently commissioner of the PacWest, or Dick Tomey, who has the respect of many in the sports community?

  143. Blue Powder June 11, 2010 10:26 am


    I wonder if it is possible for the WAC to change the way it distributes money received from one of its teams participation in a BCS bowl?

    It seems like Boise St. has one of its best teams coming back and it may be ranked in the top 5 to start the season. Boise has a very good chance to make to to another BCS bowl. So I’m thinking, what if the WAC member schools vote to change the way it divides up the money received from a member’s BCS appearance just for the 2010 season? Change it so that ALL WAC schools will share equally in the entire amount received from the BCS appearance. That way we could hit Boise with an extra financial “penalty” for leaving.

    Just a thought.

  144. 808ike June 11, 2010 10:27 am

    Benson, Benson, Benson.

    A lot of BS from a BSu alum.

  145. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 10:28 am

    Karl Benson had YEARS to plan and upgrade the WAC.. he knew from many years back that BOISE was going to leave and wanted to leave… how he manages to keep his job is anyone’s guess. Now that Boise is gone, hopefully Benson’s days are numbered too.

  146. 808ike June 11, 2010 10:30 am

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!
    from ESPN 1420

    Texas, Oklahoma, and etc. will join the Pac-10 as early as Tuesday.

  147. visitor June 11, 2010 10:33 am

    With the USC game in jeopardy this season and Boise and Fresno away, sure drops the value of season tickets and “preferred” parking. Going to be really a hard sell next season.

    Any more word on the USC game?

  148. Garret June 11, 2010 10:33 am

    Old Diver,

    SDSU just doesn’t have many football fans. Even when they win they cannot get their fans to pack the football stadium. They rely on $10 million from their students, basketball money, MWC TV money, and bowl money to help them balance their budget.

    With BSU in the conferences, the MWC will either get an AQ spot or get BCS money from one of their teams making a BCS bowl. That is a nice bonus for them.

    The economic key for SDSU is basketball. They do draw fans to their basketball games when they do well, and they have done pretty well recently. The MWC also gets a lot of teams into the NCAA tournament, which brings in a lot of money for each team in their conference. If the WAC was a better basketball conference, then the money difference wouldn’t be as great between the MWC and WAC.

    For men’s basketball, SDSU was 25-9 last season and made the NCAA tournament. The season before they went 26-10. They have won at least 20 games since they went 24-9 in the 2005-2006 season. That is 5 straight 20+ win seasons…winning that much for that long has built their fan base.

  149. 808ike June 11, 2010 10:33 am

    Like someone said, Benson should of had a clause in his contract that if BSu leaves, he leaves with them.

  150. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 10:36 am

    It’s great to hear Benson with such flowery language, and i paraphrase, ” the WAC will remain a credible and competitive conference…”

    The question is HOW…what is the PLAN…

    After Boise won its first BCS, Benson should have had some idea that given the opportunity BSU would want to leave…Why was a contingency plan only being thought of in the recent meetings in Las Vegas?

  151. Garret June 11, 2010 10:39 am


    Chip Brown has been saying that all Texas was waiting for was for Colorado and Nebraska to officially leave first. This way, Texas isn’t the “bad guy” and can say that they had to move. Having Colorado go to the Pac-10 first was a clever move because the Texas Legislature couldn’t blame Texas…there just isn’t room for Baylor now.

  152. greenthumb June 11, 2010 10:43 am

    Is it just me or was the loudness and specificness of the Pac-#’s denial of expansion news a few days ago an indication we’d be hearing of additions within a week or two? I think if we went back and parsed the language it would be interesting to see the precision of the wording. (just a guess)

    Also, a question for the brain trust: Is Benson’s contract public information? It would be interesting to see what kinds of benchmarks and/or accountability are built in.

  153. Garret June 11, 2010 10:43 am

    Benson has had a plan for quite some time now. Sadly, it has been to get one of the D-IAA schools to move up. Texas State might not be bad if the California schools do not have enough money to move up now.

    Both La Tech and Karl Benson openly say that La Tech is trying to get into the C-USA. That would actually save the rest of the WAC schools a lot of money, so the WAC doesn’t mind La Tech leaving. However, they can only be replaced by D-IAA schools.

    If Fresno State or Nevada get their way into the MWC (if the MWC wants to go to 12 teams and cannot get the Big 12 leftovers), then they also will be replaced by D-IAA teams.

    For at least 1 year, the D-IAA schools that join the WAC will count as D-IAA wins even though they are full WAC members. So, if a team like UH already has a D-IAA nonconference opponent, then the wins against conference opponents that just moved up will not count towards bowl eligibility! You could have almost all of the WAC teams fail to qualify for bowl eligibility if they couldn’t count 2-4 conference wins.

  154. Jason June 11, 2010 10:45 am

    I notice that the remaining Inner Circle parking passes can be purchased for $250 today. I wonder if this will impact the tax-deductible amount for those who paid $400 on the 1st day of the “reverse auction”?

    d1島: I don’t know the details, but I would imagine that there is a set value for the parking pass (the amount of which you paid is not tax-deductible), and then anything extra is considered a tax-deductible donation.

    Isn’t that kind of how the premium seat contributions work? Everyone pays the same for a sideline ticket, but depending on the section, the mandatory donation value differs.

    * * *

    From one of Ferd’s articles:

    One proposal under study, Donovan said, would be to strike a deal whereby the conference agrees to send a designated representative here. That way if, for example, Wisconsin qualified for the conference championship game, a division runner-up would come in its place.

    My question to this: What if the school in question (e.g., Wisconsin) took advantage of the Hawaiʻi exemption, and scheduled a 13th game? I’m not sure things would be okay in the eyes of the NCAA. So in this scenario, Wisconsin would get an extra home game, and then the additional opportunity to play in the conference championship game. Then the runner-up (e.g., Purdue) gets told (possibly at the last minute) that they need to pack their bags and head to Hawaiʻi?

    Then again, I’m not sure schools in a conference with a championship game would want to schedule a 13th game, when you figure the lack of bye weeks. So if the Hawaiʻi exemption isn’t as significant a motivating factor, that hinders our ability to fill those open spots.

  155. 808ike June 11, 2010 10:46 am


    Agree. Many thought Nebraska and Colorado were the key. They just put things in
    motion. Both schools made their move because they may get left behind or may be
    that the mercy of BCS conferences.

  156. Garret June 11, 2010 10:47 am

    For all those complaining about Karl Benson’s performance (that includes me!), the only people that get to decide his status with the WAC are the conference Presidents. *They* seem to give him contract extension after contract extension, so they must like what he’s doing.

    Of course, if you are BSU you must have been happy with Benson. If you are NMSU and cut $3 million from your Athletic Department budget, you probably are satisfied with Benson since you don’t care about athletics much. Idaho and Utah State are in debt to Benson for picking them for the WAC.

    UH never seems to complain about Benson, and even asked him to come to speak on HF’s behalf.

  157. Garret June 11, 2010 10:50 am

    My question to this: What if the school in question (e.g., Wisconsin) took advantage of the Hawaiʻi exemption, and scheduled a 13th game? I’m not sure things would be okay in the eyes of the NCAA. So in this scenario, Wisconsin would get an extra home game, and then the additional opportunity to play in the conference championship game. Then the runner-up (e.g., Purdue) gets told (possibly at the last minute) that they need to pack their bags and head to Hawaiʻi?

    Then again, I’m not sure schools in a conference with a championship game would want to schedule a 13th game, when you figure the lack of bye weeks. So if the Hawaiʻi exemption isn’t as significant a motivating factor, that hinders our ability to fill those open spots.


    If UH is able to get a deal with a conference like that, *NO TEAM* would take advantage of the conference exception. With the need for bye weeks, the value of the Hawaii exception is quite devalued already. The travel costs would also be extremely high, as they would have to book flights for an entire travel party at the last second.

  158. 808ike June 11, 2010 10:54 am

    I think, when the NCAA allowed all schools an additional game expanding to 12,
    the exemption game for UH got thrown out the window.

  159. Jason June 11, 2010 10:56 am

    I wonder how many schools actually do schedule a 13th game (besides Hawaiʻi) …

  160. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 10:57 am


    If 4/9 teams are DIV 1AA, there is no point in the conference trying to be competitive at the national level…I don’t think we get much from ESPN should that be the case.

  161. 808ike June 11, 2010 10:57 am



  162. Paco June 11, 2010 10:59 am

    I’m not a Benson apologist and I’ve often been frustrated by the WAC’s lack of being proactive, but seriously…what does the WAC really have to offer anyone? Awesome TV contract…no; large TV market….no, automatic BCS bid….no. It’s hard to be proactive when you have no leverage and negotiating chips.

  163. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 10:59 am

    What exactly does Donovan mean by “getting insurance on the opponent?”

    I guess you can insure almost anything haha.

  164. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 11:01 am


    That’s definitely the “push” factor that Boise feels with the WAC and the “pull” factor that MWC has…well 2/3 anyway.

    The question then should be what can the WAC offer to make it more appealing?

  165. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 11:03 am

    Tsaiko Nation, coming from USC, local radio talk shows and my relationships with USC supporters and alumni there is no talk of any games being cancelled as Kiffin is taking the approach that they will ralley behind this mess and continue to boast a strong team with a national poll of voters stating 43% that USC will win the Pac 10 conference !

    NO players have declared to leave and Star quarterback Barkley is staying put with a GREAT work out from every player who is determine to restore the PRIDE of USC football.

    What is really buzzing is Pete Carrol reputation as he has angered many here in Los Angeles of NO control of the football program and how he left knowing what he did or didn’t know about the infractions as he is getting killed on the radio talk show as a traitor and weasel of saving his own okole !

    AD Mike Garret has been talking to many USC boosters around the country trying to keep the BIG POCKETS from leaving their donations to other places as he has received mix applaudes with a reporter asking him directly about his job situation and he stated with a pat to the reporters chest “I worry about your job” in a sarcastic tone and continue to address the USC audience that they will be “GREATER” from this debacle and “FIGHT ON” !

    So Tsaiko Nation hold your fears and keep your USC tickets as of this time the Trojans are still coming with really USC Officials using the Hawaii trip as a get away vacation to alumni, supporters and fans as they have already paid for paradise in their package deal with Trojan Aloha Shirts ALL sold out !

    Gotta go pick up my kids as I continue to up date the latest from Trojan Land !

  166. 808ike June 11, 2010 11:04 am


    You are right that the WAC has no leverage. Proactive is to create the leverage.

  167. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 11:07 am

    The good news..
    The Warriors aren’t in the bottom 100-120 in Athlon Sports pre-season Rankings.

    The bad news..
    not by much.. we are #94…

    The good news…
    We are ranked above Utah State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, and UNLV. So, we are halfway to a bowl game… Colorado State is at 89.. so that should be fun… Army isn’t far behind at 85… Louisiana Tech’s at 84 but we play them here… and I can’t find Idaho!

  168. oldie June 11, 2010 11:09 am

    Didn’t get an answer before so I’ll ask again. . .

    Anyone know how to get numbered entries on this blog using an iPad?

    I have it on the iPhone. I believe that’s because it’s using a mobile view.

    I had numbers on the iPad when it was a Honolulu Advertiser site. I’m using Safari as my browser.

  169. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 11:14 am

    Now might be a good time to approach the NCAA an petition to see if Hawaii can get an extension to the football season..either a weekend earlier or a weekend later?.. (is there a closing date for NCAA Div I football seasons?). That would allow visiting teams to play a 13th game and still preserve their bye week.

  170. 808ike June 11, 2010 11:18 am


    Sorry I can not help you.

    When it comes to computers, I’m in K-grade. Flunked last year, probable flunk
    this year. Will try next year to graduate.

    There are techies on this blog but not me.

  171. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 11:19 am

    Does Safari offer a “style” option under their menu options? If so.. try clicking on one of the style options.

  172. CHEE! June 11, 2010 11:21 am

    “Regardless of what the Mountain West might do, or Boise State might do, the WAC is going to continue to be a credible and recognizable conference,” Benson said.

    How can, when the WAC cannot attract any marketable D-1 programs so it is forced to “scour” D-II programs???

    What is Benson smoking? He had 3yrs to figure this out…He needs to resign.

  173. Stephen Tsai June 11, 2010 11:22 am

    Petition won’t do much good for UH. Conference championships are going to kill the December games.

  174. Stephen Tsai June 11, 2010 11:23 am

    For UH fans, this is a dire situation.
    Then again, when your school is 2,500 miles away from the next Division I school …

  175. 808ike June 11, 2010 11:26 am


    Good idea to start earlier. Many problems to extend 1 week later. Not sure but the
    team can start practice X days before school starts. If there were no regulations,
    teams would start practice in June.

  176. Pomai June 11, 2010 11:27 am

    Is there any way that the WAC and MWC merge into a super conference?

  177. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 11:30 am


    That would be awesome. Take the top 16 teams. However I don’t know what the chances are as something like that hasn’t even been discussed yet.

  178. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 11:32 am

    Somebody, refresh my memory.. when the WAC expanded to 16 teams what exactly happened to cause the falling out?

  179. d1島 June 11, 2010 11:35 am


    Lack of “institutional control” by the WAC office! 🙄

  180. oldie June 11, 2010 11:37 am


    I did see the post about Style/No Style, but I can’t find anything in the iPad Safari about that. Funny that I had the numbers when HA was running the site.

  181. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 11:38 am

    Would the MWC be interested in expanding to have a conference championship game?

  182. d1島 June 11, 2010 11:40 am

    The travel costs would also be extremely high, as they would have to book flights for an entire travel party at the last second.

    I recall during the late weeks of the Undefeated Season some fans were booking flights LAX in anticipation of UH going to some BCS Bowl; their plan was to work on the connections once it was known where the team was headed but they took advantage of the lowest airfare they could find to the West Coast with as much lead time as possible.
    Couldn’t UHAD to something similar by booking seats or a charter well in advance from the West COast for a TBD opponent from a conference like the Big 10/12/16?

  183. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 11:42 am

    How come they get new fieldturf free? I suppose that just one of the additonal benefits that comes along with a consistently winning program.

  184. d1島 June 11, 2010 11:46 am


    sounds like a warranty or customer satisfaction issue

  185. 808ike June 11, 2010 11:46 am

    No news on ESPN 1420 statement in regards to Texas and etc.

  186. Kazz June 11, 2010 11:49 am

    Anyone know how to fashion a noose and a slip knot?

  187. Kazz June 11, 2010 11:51 am

    I guess the way to really make money is to be good at one sport and to SUCK at the rest.

    That’s just and logical right?

  188. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 11:55 am

    Oh my, how could I forget!

    Happy Kamehameha Day to one and all!

    A-joe –

    Your remarks make a lot of sense.
    What we don’t yet know is if any MWC teams will be raided in the coming months.

  189. Garret June 11, 2010 11:55 am


    If the sport is football, nothing else matters.

    But BSU is good at *more* sports than UH. They win more WAC titles than UH. Their men’s basketball team won the WAC and went to the NCAA tournament in 2008. When you compare men’s basketball success, I’d hate to say that what BSU has done has sucked.

  190. Garret June 11, 2010 11:57 am


    But the Big 10 doesn’t get any TV money and the travel expenses for that type of flight might actually cause them to lose money on the UH game. What benefit would *their* conference get from that type of game?

  191. Garret June 11, 2010 12:00 pm

    C-USA’s commissioner has already begun the process of trying to get the Big 12 leftovers to join their conference. If they are competing with the Big East, the problem the Big east has is that they have no room for anymore basketball teams.

    This is a good example of a non-AQ conference being proactive and trying to improve their situation. They aren’t just sitting around and worrying about which team they will lose, they are going after Baylor, Kansas, K-State, Missouri and Iowa State.

    Conference USA is rapidly preparing to compete for the remaining Big 12 members if the meltdown continues to a full implosion.

    The Big East has been in a bunker mentality, hoping to keep enough of its eight current members to remain a viable FBS (formerly Division I-A) Conference with automatic qualification for BCS bowl games.

    Now that there is a possibility the Big East will not lose any current members, the Big East dilemma remains how to add football members when there is “no room at the Inn” for other sports. The eight Big East FBS institutions are locked into a successful consortium with eight other institutions who do not play FBS football in the Big East.

  192. RichfromOC June 11, 2010 12:02 pm

    My take on this is…if we win 10-13 games a year for 10 years straight we would be in demand and call the shots like Boise State.

  193. mctruck June 11, 2010 12:02 pm

    The way I see it; pac10 merger will consist of five teams from the old big12,(colorado, texas, texas tech, oklahoma, oklahoma st.)and utah from the mwc.
    That’s why it was important for the mwc to get bsu onboard.

    I still think the wac shud be proactive in trying to get SDU and unlv.

  194. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:04 pm


    I would think it would be the other way. Big 12 trying to get TCU and some C-USA.

  195. Garret June 11, 2010 12:07 pm


    I agree that C-USA probably will be the ones to get raided. However, at least they are trying to advance themselves instead of just playing defense. If the Big 12 leftovers give up on the conference, they will be happy to take those teams.

  196. Don Weir June 11, 2010 12:07 pm

    Parking Deductions

    I believe that when you receive your parking pass your receipt will show the amount paid, the quid pro quo amount, and the amount you may itemize. That is typically how the Foundation works.

  197. Garret June 11, 2010 12:09 pm

    Notre Dame just dumped their 2013 game against Army in Yankees Stadium. Needing to get rid of nonconference games…could be the first real sign that Notre Dame is preparing to accept an offer from the Big 10.

    Get your tickets for the Army-Notre Dame football game on Nov. 20 at Yankee Stadium.

    It could be the last time the two teams play in New York for a while.

    A proposed 2013 game is off, athletic director Kevin Anderson said on Thursday.

    “Unfortunately, we would have liked to play Notre Dame in 2013,” Anderson said. “But Notre Dame has found that it’s not going to work for them.”

  198. Garret June 11, 2010 12:11 pm

    Des Moines paper has an interesting proposed Big 12. If TCU left for the Big 12 and Utah left for the Pac-10, there will be some openings in the MWC.

    Big 12 North
    Iowa State
    Kansas State
    Memphis (or Missouri, pending the Big Ten’s call)

    Big 12 South

  199. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:12 pm


    If the Big 12 leftovers give up, they deserve what they get. Leftovers have the
    upper hand. Shame on the Pres. of their respective schools.

  200. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:12 pm

    Congratulations to Coach Trap and the baseball team!

  201. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:14 pm

    Good luck to Coach Heffernan on his 37 mile journey.

  202. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:14 pm


    Agree with Big 12 scenario.

  203. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:15 pm

    Good luck to Boise St. Hope they continue to schedule Hawaii and start a rivalry between the WAC and MWC.

  204. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:16 pm

    BTW, good afternoon everyone!

  205. mctruck June 11, 2010 12:17 pm

    I don’t think that the so called big12 leftovers get to keep their BCS status once the big boys leave…so who makes that determination?

  206. Kazz June 11, 2010 12:21 pm


    For a WAC and MWC rivalry to exist, there has to be a WAC.

  207. bb June 11, 2010 12:22 pm

    All this stuff going on…

    Is exactly why I went to the Sugar Bowl…

  208. All Around the World News June 11, 2010 12:22 pm

    Hawaii News –…

    I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…

  209. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:23 pm

    Belated happy birthday to Bulla!

    Safe travels to LizKauai!

  210. Paco June 11, 2010 12:23 pm

    I can’t see the Big 12 leftovers choosing CUSA over MWC if it came to that. I also can’t see the Big 12 trying to make a go of it without Texas and Oklahoma. They can try but that conference wouldn’t be deserving of an automatic BCS berth in my opinion. Of course that is what I think of the Big East, so what do I know!

  211. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:25 pm


    I am sure there will be a WAC conference after all the dust has settled down. It might not be as strong once all the top tier teams in the WAC leave, but the WAC will weather the storm, again.

  212. Kazz June 11, 2010 12:25 pm

    RichfromOC Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
    My take on this is…if we win 10-13 games a year for 10 years straight we would be in demand and call the shots like Boise State.

    If Hawaii wasn’t in Hawaii, we’d have a bigger shot.

    If UH football won 10 or 11 games a year for 10 years, we’d be in the Hawaii Bowl. Maybe if we went undefeated for 10 years in a row, then we might make some noise.

    Geography works against us more than ever and was one reason/excuse for those current MWC teams to ditch in the first place.

    Nevada hasn’t been so hot as a whole and neither has Fresno State, but they have a bigger geographical advantage and could be invited to the MWC.

  213. mctruck June 11, 2010 12:28 pm

    analyst are saying that when the dust settles, there will be basically five mega-confrences AQ/BCS.

  214. d1島 June 11, 2010 12:28 pm


    I was thinking that Hawaii would be footing the bill for the LAX-HNL-LAX trip.

  215. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:28 pm



    Safe travels to and fro.

    ” HAVE A BLAST “

  216. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:29 pm

    I still would like to know what UH is doing to protect itself. Forget about the WAC, I’m more worried about Hawaii sports in general.

  217. whitey June 11, 2010 12:30 pm

    808ike, right on. got an email from ISU president expressing their dissapointment with the defection of CU and NU. I told him that I sympathize with their plight, but ISU did nothing to protect the NCAA. Greed and money made them blind to what college sports is about and now they are paying the price. The schools left in the Big 12 basically were complacent and accepted the BCS as god. The only true way to solve most of the problems is to give the NCAA back their powers and not let the BCS run them over. What is to stop the BCS from breaking away from the NCAA and forming their own “non profit” college athletic programs?????

  218. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:31 pm

    Hawaii has to find a way. This could be JD’s legacy as an AD if he finds better opportunity for Hawaii. Time to really shine JD.

  219. Paco June 11, 2010 12:33 pm

    Unfortunately, I think UH’s best protection is to stay in the WAC. As the WAC goes so does UH. UH as an independent won’t work.

  220. Kazz June 11, 2010 12:35 pm


  221. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:36 pm


    BIG 12 leftovers will take C-USA members before MWC members except TCU because
    where are the conferences getting their $? TV. To get more $, need more people
    watching TV in your conference area. MWC schools have a lot of land but 1 TV
    every 50 miles.

  222. bb June 11, 2010 12:37 pm


    Karl Benson is FLAKing the Sports Animals show now….

    Chris and Gary got bigtimed!

  223. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:38 pm

    miles= sq. miles.

  224. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:38 pm

    USC Sanctions–

    Sorry I’m a day late on this topic but here’s what I think of the USC sanctions. I’m surprised these violations don’t occur more often in college sports. Majority of the athletes who find themselves in this situation are athletes who have a good opportunity to play at the next level. These athletes are selfish and are not only hurting themselves by doing what they are doing but are hurting the game, university, fans, conference, teammates, image, recruiting, etc.

    So, what is the NCAA going to do to prevent this type of individualized violation from happening? How are we going to hold these individualized athletes accountable? Holding the university after these individualized athletes have left is not the way to go. Universities may have the best compliance department in the world, but in the end, you can’t control these individualized athletes off the field no matter how much you educate them on the university’s or NCAA’s code of conduct. Money is the engine that drives their decision. So, you have to fight fire with fire. One idea is to put a language in their scholarship contract about violation of this particular rule. The punishment has to be monetary or denial to play at the next level for so many years. Another idea is to completely erase all his/her college sport(s) accolades. The third idea is to make agents pay for it also. These agents know the by laws of the NCAA and yet, time and time again, they continue to violate them.

    Lane Kiffin, now, has an excuse as to why he won’t be delivering championship trophies anytime soon.

  225. papajoe2 June 11, 2010 12:39 pm

    mostly everyone on this blog is thinking football in the conference shake ups, but basketball pays the conferences for 6 years (I think)if they make the big dance. with 64, 65 teams in the tournament and all of them on TV, thats a lot of money. the farther you get in the tournament, the more money the conference earns. Hawaii has done nothing in basketball, with Wallace’s lame duck years, (forced to retire) or Bob Nash’s inept teams.

  226. Paco June 11, 2010 12:40 pm

    Totally agree with Kazz. We could have the best sports programs in the nation and our geography will always work against us. I think the day is near where the subsidy issue for visiting teams will come up again. Losing BSU and replacing with smaller schools and their small budgets will probably cause the travel cost issue to come up.

  227. bb June 11, 2010 12:41 pm

    The violations do occur.

    It’s just avoiding getting caught.

    I went to a prominent Pac10 school and countless of times I saw shady stuff going on. Everything from steroids to airlines hooking up tickets to secret envelopes with cash being passed.

  228. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:41 pm

    Football should have its own football conferences away from the other college sports. All this realignment can’t be good for other sports rivalry.


    I agree. To be independent means to have a big following. Unfortunately, Hawaii isn’t there yet.

  229. mctruck June 11, 2010 12:42 pm

    If tv viewer$hip and network affiliation is all that matters,with football being the king of the hill, than areas/schools throughout the nation without that viewership can and will be extinct in a matter of short years.

    I can see many institutions dropping football as a result and thereby concentrate on the other sports…and maybe that’s where everyone else will find some sense of normalcy. Right now, there are many schools who excel in the other sports and do just fine without football.

  230. Paco June 11, 2010 12:42 pm

    Football TV money is driving this. If so Kansas would be going somewhere and not left behind.

  231. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:43 pm


    You are right. NCAA had control.Big (now BCS ) schools challenged NCAA in court.
    NCAA lost. BCS formed. Now up to present situation.

  232. Paco June 11, 2010 12:44 pm

    bb: I agree. I went to a prominent Pac10 school also and saw lots of things. Everyone does it.

  233. bb June 11, 2010 12:48 pm

    To my short list above I can also add TONS of weed smoking, manipulation of grades and/or cheating, and lots of free meals and food.

    Its just too bad that USC got a little over their head and got caught.

  234. skycap June 11, 2010 12:48 pm

    JIM DONOVAN No can seat back an wait you have to go and Negotiate with a Charter Airlines Companys and help the Mainland University get the best air
    fare as Possible. Try to get Three Year Contract using the same Charter
    Airlines for Both University of Hawaii and Mainland University and Hotel
    Rates in Hawaii to Accommondate the Mainland Colleges and should be willing help with some of their Expense. Charter Flight only from West Coast to Hawaii
    or Hawaii to West Coast. *** GET ALL THE NUMMBERS TOGETHER ***


  235. papajoe2 June 11, 2010 12:49 pm

    mctruck, your reasoning that many teams will drop football is really a reality. without football, then title IX will be more equal in other sports for men and women. unfortunately, Hawaii as a state, produces many D1 and professional football athletes. it would be so sad if Hawaii has to drop football, but could be a reality in the distant future:(

  236. A-House June 11, 2010 12:49 pm


    at least you at K-level

    i still stay at pre-school level!!!

  237. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:50 pm


    As far as the furture, you are also correct. NCAA is a parasite for the conferences. Conferences gives NCAA $ to survive. Big test is the statement
    against USC.If they win the law suit, they will get some respect and power from
    BCS schools. If they loses, NCAA probable has been.

  238. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:50 pm


  239. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 12:51 pm


    Yes, violations do occur more frequent than what is reported. What I am saying is how do the NCAA put a stop to it? I don’t thing holding the university accountable is not the right thing to do. The NCAA has to make the athlete and the agent accountable. Athletes and agents who knowingly violates the NCAA by laws should be held accountable in some sort of fashion. Taking away R. Bush’s Heisman trophy doesn’t deter others from doing the same thing.

    All I have heard so far in the news is about the USC sanctions and no sanctions from R. Bush and his agent.

  240. Garret June 11, 2010 12:51 pm

    I was thinking that Hawaii would be footing the bill for the LAX-HNL-LAX trip.


    I didn’t realize that. *That* would make a game cost a reasonable amount of money for the Big 10. But still, UH pays so little for teams to travel that a Big 10 team might just break even on the deal even if UH covered the LAZ-HNL round trip.

    Don’t forge that the Pac-10 dumped the Hawaii Bowl because they lost a lot of money sending a team there. C-USA openly admits they lose money by sending a team to the Hawaii Bowl. Maybe that works for a conference to get another bowl game to brag about, but a regular-season game doesn’t bring the same type of benefit.

    What if a Big 10 school doesn’t want to have their players miss classes to travel to Hawaii? It is one thing to go to a conference title game for the right to play in the Rose Bowl, it is another thing to do it for no money and no big bowl reward.

    Things would be different if UH offered to play at the school that come to Aloha Stadium. But schedules are worked out 5+ years in advance so they might not have room for a UH game there.

  241. Kazz June 11, 2010 12:51 pm


    It’s sad yeah? That other sports that do well in their areas and carry their weight of wins and losses are at the mercy of one sport.

    I mean the root of it all is our society. As a society, we’ve chosen football as king and the money maker, but then when your football team starts to stumble, then the problem transfers over to those that FAIL to realize the importance of sustaining the football program for the better.

    With the recent news of student fee implementation and that new UH football offices I hope this is not too late.

  242. Garret June 11, 2010 12:54 pm


    The problem is NOT that Bush and his family took money. The problem is that USC’s RB coach took calls from Bush’s agents that were paying Bush, hung out with Bush and his agents, knew that Bush was getting paid by the agents (since they asked him to make sure that Bush honored their agreement with him after they put out all that money), and USC ADMITS THOSE THINGS…and USC did *not* fire that RB coach. So, you have a USC coach participating in the NCAA violations and not getting fired by the school.

    Normally at a school you see any coach involved with violations get fired right away!

  243. Garret June 11, 2010 12:58 pm

    Montana is excited at the chance that they have to get into the WAC.

    At first glance, the Boise State move has the most immediate impact for the Griz. WAC Commissioner Karl Benson held a press conference last week about Boise’s imminent departure from the conference, and said the WAC has looked at five or six western FCS schools and is seeking “the next Boise State,” or another small school with potential. Both of those comments would seem to point to UM. (How weird is the prospect of Hawaii and Fresno State someday visiting Wash-Griz Stadium?)

  244. 808ike June 11, 2010 12:59 pm


    Your prediction may become reality if the other schools can not keep up.

  245. d1島 June 11, 2010 12:59 pm

    “Everyone does it.”

    The line that judges and 3rd Grade teachers most love to hear! 👿

  246. papajoe2 June 11, 2010 1:00 pm

    i’ve said on the HA post the Jim Donovan should lobby the NCAA to host a preseason “bowl” game a week earlier than the rest of the other teams to help Hawaii secure big name schools and keep their 13 game exempt status. this “bowl” game, being before the regular season, will be the only game on a football starved nation on a TV channel. getting big name teams at the end of the season for Hawaii will be a thing of the past.

  247. d1島 June 11, 2010 1:01 pm

    Wow! What a goal by SA!

    (I wonder if they are defending the South goal in the 2nd half? 😈 )

  248. oldie June 11, 2010 1:01 pm


    I think I stay pre-school too.

  249. 808ike June 11, 2010 1:02 pm


    It was me in K-grade. I’ll join you in preschool.

  250. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 1:02 pm


    Thanks! If that’s the case, then the RB coach should be fired and fined also.

    What I’m trying to get to is finding ways to deter others from making the same mistake. To do that, you must go straight to the source and that is the athlete and agent.

  251. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 1:03 pm


    I have faith just like how you had faith in the softball team from the beginning.

  252. papajoe2 June 11, 2010 1:04 pm

    oldie, A-House, what dat preschool? never made that far.

  253. A-House June 11, 2010 1:04 pm

    OK, gang, the worst option, cut out football at UH, and work with the other sports programs may be the only option available. Da hell with conference realignments.

    Someone will have to make that recommendation NOW and let’s see reactions from UH administration, Legislature, Gov and Mayors, student, players, and fans.

    OK, Jim D, it’s in your hands!!!

  254. bb June 11, 2010 1:04 pm

    True story…

    For a spring break I was going to Mexico. A trainer for the Pac10 school that I attended asked me to purchase a whole bunch of roids on the other side of the border. When I went to the Mexican pharmacy there were dudes with huge ass guns guarding the doors. I wussed out. The last thing I was going to do was get stuck in Mexico because of steroids.

  255. sports for fun June 11, 2010 1:05 pm

    papajoe2: That’s worth a try. Hopefully the NCAA would do it to help us out.

  256. Garret June 11, 2010 1:05 pm


    I believe that the agents have been banned for life from being sports agents. They even have had criminal charges against them. So, they did *not* get off from this…they didn’t even sign Bush, so they lost all that money they spent on him.

    It is hard for the NCAA to do anything against the player because they do not have any power over Bush once he stopped playing in college. They can take away his stats, but they can’t fine him or anything else.

  257. Old Diver June 11, 2010 1:06 pm

    Cutting out the football team will close down the UH athletic department. Football revenue funded the softball team, the baseball etc.

  258. 808ike June 11, 2010 1:06 pm


    You and I need computers that we can talk to so they can do all the research and
    typing by voice. Like in “STAR TREK”.

  259. Garret June 11, 2010 1:07 pm


    But football is the big money-maker for UH Athletics. The travel costs really hurt the other sports more since they don’t bring in money. Cut football and you probably have to cut all of UH Athletics.

  260. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 1:12 pm


    That’s great. I don’t know what the legalities are but one idea I can up with was to have some sort of language on the athletes’ scholarship contract.

  261. sports for fun June 11, 2010 1:12 pm

    So does anyone think that UH will start charging for the other sports teams?
    i.e. women’s softball

  262. Old Diver June 11, 2010 1:15 pm

    At this point I’m hoping the Big 12 invites Boise, Utah, BYU, TCU and Air Force, forcing some kind of MWC/WAC merger. If the WAC loses Fresno State, Nevada and maybe Utah State to the MWC we are cooked.

  263. Garret June 11, 2010 1:15 pm


    I would agree with that. At least require the students to pay the school the full amount of what their scholarships were worth. Bush would have to pay for 4 years of USC tuition, books, per diem, monthly stipend, value of the bowl gifts, etc. That could be a $200k penalty for an athlete…but if they knowingly violated NCAA rules, they should have to pay back what the school provided them.

  264. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 1:16 pm

    If the WAC crumbles and Hawaii were forced to give up D1 football, how would that affect the standings of our other sports? Women’s volleyball could probably find a new home.. men’s is already not part of the WAC. … Softball? Baseball? Soccer? Basketball? Where could they go?

  265. Garret June 11, 2010 1:17 pm

    At this point I’m hoping the Big 12 invites Boise, Utah, BYU, TCU and Air Force, forcing some kind of MWC/WAC merger. If the WAC loses Fresno State, Nevada and maybe Utah State to the MWC we are cooked.

    I agree with this. Utah going to the Pac-16 depends on Texas A&M going to the SEC and would make the MWC more vulnerable to being raided by the Big 12.

    The Big East kept their BCS status, bowl agreements, and TV contract even when they were down to *5* teams. If Missouri is stuck in the Big 12, then they have 5 teams and their TV contract is MUCH bigger than what the MWC has.

  266. 808ike June 11, 2010 1:18 pm


    Think there is/was a law suit against Bush for the $.

  267. Garret June 11, 2010 1:18 pm


    The other teams (aside from maybe volleyball) wouldn’t be able to go anywhere. Nonrevenue sports already lose money for their conferences–why would they add travel to Hawaii?

  268. Jeff June 11, 2010 1:19 pm

    Worst case then is the end of Div I athletics all together at UH. How many fans are going to show up to watch UH play teams like Cal Poly or UC Davis every week? With decreased revenue from football there will be NO money left to fund the other sports. The legislature has insisted that athletics be self-sustained, but again the may not be possible. Truly a sad end to a once proud program.

    What happens in the next few weeks and months will define Jim Donavan’s tenure as AD, he either successfully navigates UH through the conference realignment or presides over the end of Division I athletics at UH.

  269. RedZone June 11, 2010 1:20 pm


  270. Garret June 11, 2010 1:21 pm

    The LA Times explains the problem for the UH-USC game. USC officials are discussing *today* what they will do about probably having to cancel the UH game.

    Is USC’s Hawaii trip aloha?

    The Trojans’ two-year bowl ban also includes a stipulation that it cannot, “take advantage of the exceptions to the limit in the number of football contests,” that are provided in NCAA bylaws.

    So USC has a potential problem. The Trojans are scheduled to play 13 games this season, rather than the typical 12, because teams get an exception for traveling to Hawaii or Alaska. USC is scheduled to open the season on Sept. 2 at Honolulu. USC officials are expected to discuss their options Friday.

  271. Kazz June 11, 2010 1:21 pm

    BleedGreen808 Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    I have faith just like how you had faith in the softball team from the beginning.

    BG808, faith is admirable. For me, the softball team had their destiny in their hands and I had faith in the coaching staff.

    The future of UH athletics as a whole is NOT in our hands. I don’t trust or like a lot of people.

  272. Garret June 11, 2010 1:23 pm

    The NCAA probably added that rule because Alabama took advantage of the Hawaii exception to give their team a “pseudo-bowl” game in Hawaii to end their seasons while they were on NCAA probation. By closing that loophole, the NCAA might have ended the ability of UH to take advantage of bowl bans to other schools.

  273. Paco June 11, 2010 1:23 pm

    Old diver: looks more like MWC will pick up the Big 12 scraps. CUSA will try to get in the mix for those schools, but MWC would seem like a better move for those schools. Of course, it all depends on Texas. Word should come on Tuesday! They could stay in the Big XII.

  274. Kazz June 11, 2010 1:24 pm


    As a sports society in a whole, NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF INDIVIDUALS, no one cares about volleyball, softball, water polo, tennis, golf, etc…

    Is it right or fair to the student athlete and fans? HELL NO.

    But what does “fair” have to do with it? It’s all about the money.

  275. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 1:26 pm


    $200K as a penalty is not enough to deter anyone if the athlete has the potential to make $10 or more millions per year. Let’s look at USC’s case. How much money do you think they will end up losing with the two year bowl ban? Let’s just say $4 mil per year and in two years that $8 mil. Now let’s look at the 30 scholarships USC will lose and how long it will take to recuperate. Here’s an example, I was watching ESPU last night and one of the college football analyst used Miami University as an example. It took Miami 6 years to get back to where they were. Now we go back to USC’s situation and 4X6 is $24 mil.

  276. Garret June 11, 2010 1:28 pm


    You know what I’ve been thinking about a lot? Most of the leaks about BSU getting the MWC invitation a month or so ago were coming from *Fresno*, not Boise. Why would the Fresno media know so much about the MWC operations? Why would Fresno State personnel know so much about what is going on within the MWC?

    I’m guessing that Fresno State has been lobbying the MWC for admission. That would be no surprise to anyone. The rumors from a month ago that the MWC would add Fresno State and Houston if they wanted 12 teams might have some substance.

    If Houston left C-USA, La Tech probably would join C-USA. That would mean that UH would have *3* WAC opponents that would count as D-IAA wins. WAC teams would have a hard time to get bowl eligible.

  277. 808ike June 11, 2010 1:29 pm



    UH had an opportunity to start 6 years ago. The powers to be sat on their @$$
    waiting for someone to do it for them or had no vision. If UH had a monopoly
    on the Japan market, UH may have been part of the equation.

  278. PuaMohala June 11, 2010 1:33 pm

    Question from a frequent, loyal lurker: I notice that the WAC vision statement reads “…WAC will be recognized as one of the premier Football Bowl SubDivision conferences.” Does FBS mean Div. IAA?

  279. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 1:33 pm


    I don’t care what anyone says about you, you are a good guy.

  280. Kazz June 11, 2010 1:35 pm


    Just tell them to come see me in person and present their problem with their fist.

    They can find me on campus quite a bit during the fall and spring seasons.

  281. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 1:36 pm


    No. FBS is Div 1

  282. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 1:38 pm


    When I met you, you strike me as a “lover” not a “fighter”. j/j 🙂

  283. Paco June 11, 2010 1:38 pm

    I’ve never quite understood the rationale on the Japan/Asia market. What is the appeal for college sports to get into this market? Has the NCAA or any of the big conferences expressed interest in this market? I can see the professional leagues in trying to go global, but not college sports. Someone please explain this to me.

  284. LizKauai (iPhone) June 11, 2010 1:42 pm

    Wow. Am I the only one who thinks the WAC comm. may be retiring soon!
    Changes are going on everywhere.
    Here we go. Off to Mumbai!
    A Hui Hou!

  285. Kazz June 11, 2010 1:44 pm

    I need a break. All of this is out of our hands as bloggers and all the speculation and talk of a demise to UH athletics is already known and there is no use in presenting ideas and then people shutting them down.

    I’m not going to sit hear and read about what UH or the WAC should do and then later read about how it will be easier to roll over and die.

    I’ve enjoyed UH athletics in the football stadium and have had equal fond memories of UH victories in other sports at UH as well.

    I’m going to be honest and say that UH football has shot itself in the damn foot from bad past administrative decisions to odd coaching decisions as of late. At the same time I am seeing other UH programs excel in their sport and win titles (mens and womens volleyball, softball, baseball, etc…). Now we face the reality of it all come crashing down because it’s all about the money.

    EVERYDAY AT WORK I look at the haves and the have nots trying to make it, but at work certain policies are geared towards the “haves” to further their finances. Here, in the world of college athletics, I see the same thing, the same damn thing.

    It’s pathetic to any decent human being that has a leveled head on their shoulders.

    I sick and done with this garbage.

  286. Kazz June 11, 2010 1:44 pm


  287. Pomai June 11, 2010 1:46 pm

    In the matter of the usc scandal reggie bush is laughing all the way to the bank.

  288. 808ike June 11, 2010 1:46 pm

    There are 300M people that live in the USA. What is happening to the conference
    expansion is, Peter is taking from Paul, Paul is taking from Mary, and Mary is
    taking from Peter to expand their viewership. With TV being the resource for
    FAST AND BIG $, conferences are using this expansion as a tool.

    ONE PROBLEM: there is still only 300M people in the US. Wonder if the TV CEO’s
    will figure this out.

  289. greenthumb June 11, 2010 1:48 pm

    1. 808ike, thanks for the welcome! Sorry I don’t know how to quote in replies.

    2. Garret, I think you are onto something with your Fresno leak analysis. But really, unless MWC has defectors, Fresno is not that attractive? Certainly not Boise-attractive, no? Or if MWC is working on getting a list of B-category invites and puts Fresno on the list, being dispassionate, aren’t we [travel aside] as attractive? And if travel costs are the main issue, what can we do to make that be less a concern? Although it bites me to think about kissing up to BYU and crew.

    Anybody else wish this conference shuffling stuff would be over already? I am not liking the suspense. 🙁

    3. Answering the earlier question about insuring — yes, you might be surprised at what you can insure. The hands of a ring model. Coverage for a halftime “shoot from halfcourt” contest. It seems to be mostly a question of working with the underwriter (someone like Lloyd’s) far enough in advance so it can feel comfortable developing a premium it is willing to accept. Smart of Jim Donovan to think of something like this. But my big question is — what do state rules and regs have to say about paying the insurance premium? Or is this something to approach Koa Anuenue about?

  290. Jason June 11, 2010 1:51 pm

    Question from a frequent, loyal lurker: I notice that the WAC vision statement reads “…WAC will be recognized as one of the premier Football Bowl SubDivision conferences.” Does FBS mean Div. IAA?

    Football Bowl Subdivision means Division 1-A, the subdivision that has bowl games. Football Championship Subdivision means Division 1-AA, the subdivision that has a playoff.

  291. Paco June 11, 2010 1:51 pm

    808ike: but not all 300M watch TV. You offer something good to watch (ie. mega pac-10) much more of the 300M will watch.

  292. A-House June 11, 2010 1:51 pm

    Right, guys!!

    Unless UHAD can find an unlimited source of renewalble $$$ or if the State and public step up, the never ending “drain” of funds will only cause the programs to shut down. Do it now or later? Which is best?

    I personally do not have the funds to make a significant contribution of $$ to UHAD. Anyone will to step up?

  293. vballfan1 June 11, 2010 1:53 pm

    Wow anyone else feel sad?
    Why oh why do these kind of things happen when the football program is down??
    Why couldn’t this happen in 06- 07? UH might be a bcs school then 🙁
    I miss June Jones.

  294. Garret June 11, 2010 1:54 pm


    The BCS AQ spot is the #1 priority for the MWC. Fresno State’s computer rankings in 2008 and 2009 actually would allow them to *improve* the MWC’s average computer ranking, which is the last criteria that the MWC needs to improve to get automatic AQ status. UH’s 2008 and 2009 seasons are far below the MWC average.

    Houston also would improve the MWC’s average computer ranking. To put it another way, Fresno State and Houston would give the MWC some BCS points and UH would subtract BCS points from the MWC.

  295. Garret June 11, 2010 1:55 pm

    UH’s 2006 and 2007 years would have given a LOT of BCS points to any conference. Unfortunately, the first year for this BCS evaluation period is 2008. Bad, bad timing…

  296. 808ike June 11, 2010 1:58 pm

    It is too bad most individuals in the governing body of Hawaii, don’t care about
    sports. In the next election, it should be a prerequisite to love UH sports or
    can’t run for office. BCS schools don’t have this problem.

  297. PuaMohala June 11, 2010 1:59 pm

    Thanks BleedGreen! Been following the conference realignment and it does appear to me that UH has little option but to remain in the WAC. With poor WAC leadership and little revenue to bring it clout, who can blame schools for leaving. It is unfortunate as w/o good competition, it will hurt recruiting which will lead to less competitive teams (esp. football), less attendance…and ultimately the demise of UH sports as we know it.

    Seems like we are all writing the obits already. Maybe premature, but our mamas didn’t raise fools. Least my mama didn’t.

    I do believe JD has a gd head and if anyone can work for UH’s benefit, he can. But, like KAZZ said, UHs fate is not in our hands. It’s not even totally in UHs hands either. The Tsai-kos are a fabulously strong, committed group, and I’m sure has JDs back too. I suspect he is doing everything in his power to ensure the continued success of UH athletics. (lot of praying too…which is what I’m doing right now!)

  298. Garret June 11, 2010 2:04 pm

    The Big 10 Network showed that there was an audience for all Big 10 football games–before they weren’t all on TV. All basketball games also drew big ratings. They even get viewership for soccer, volleyball, softball, etc., all around the country. That gives them a *lot* of TV time to show ads.

    So, the Big 10 created something that was never on TV before. They show games in all sports that would not have been on TV before. And they have schools that are popular enough that they get people to watch across the country. *That* is what brings in money that didn’t exist before.

    The Pac-16 will have their own TV network. They will be able to go into Hawaii homes to recruit and tell the parents that they will be able to see ALL of the games their kids play (football, basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball, soccer, etc.) in *HD*. Even UH doesn’t have that type of coverage in Hawaii. I have to pay for streaming of football games and it is almost impossible to see the nonrevenue sports play…and now the Pac-16 will have all those games in HD all over the country!

    The key for the Pac-16 is that they needed teams with a large enough fan base spread across the country that they would watch all the different sports they can show on their network. Schools from big states with huge fan bases are important to make the TV ratings big enough to make a profit. The mtn actually loses money even though the MWC teams have had great success…not enough people in their fan bases. The fact that the mtn loses money shows that there is a limit to conferences starting their own networks.

  299. Garret June 11, 2010 2:06 pm

    I still cannot believe that C-USA gets 3x the TV money than the WAC gets. They also have a lot more NCAA basketball money because their teams (especially Memphis) have won a lot of games in the tournament. When did the C-USA pass the WAC for revenue?

  300. 808ike June 11, 2010 2:09 pm


    Agree. LEGISLATIVE body needs to commit to UH or shut it down. Hope they have the
    vision to see the future if they don’t commit to UH.

  301. chopsueyboy June 11, 2010 2:09 pm


  302. Pomai June 11, 2010 2:09 pm

    I can just see all the upper campus guys who don’t think that there should be any sports rubbing their hands in anticipation of all the money that will go back to upper campus if sports disappear from UH

  303. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 2:11 pm

    Further USC News: USC compliance and Lawyers are looking for “ONE” year probation and 15 scholarships to be taken as their argument is the “lack of institutional control” is not warrant of the severe penalties that the NCAA has handed down as the violations was committed by only 3 athletes Bush, Mayo and the Tennis women’s player whose name has not been disclosed.

    Kiffen being interviewd by LA reporters denied that he knew nothing to the infractions of Reggie Bush as he was the offensive coordinator at the time as the MAIN question that is circling USC Football is that “High Profile Players Demand High Profile Compliance” as why weren’t these players monitor to make sure no wrong doings were going on as Bush violations all took part in San Diego away from USC probing eyes.

    Mike Garret is taking the wrong approach as his defiantness and arroganec has many local LA reporters disturb as the statement of “They wish they were Trojans and they are all envy as we will appeal the penalties” is not the responsible actions to be taken in which his watch of all these infractions has his leadership and job status as AD in serious jeorpardy !

    Trojan Land wheels is coming apart at the seams !

  304. PuaMohala June 11, 2010 2:14 pm

    Interesting question. This is what the WAC presidents and ADs should be asking the commish. Seems like he WAC leadership needs some movers and shakers now…or is it already too late?

  305. greenthumb June 11, 2010 2:15 pm

    Garret, thanks for the explanation of the numbers game (relative computer rankings). Now I understand why you guys were so focused on making the point that the current evaluation period starts with the 2008 season. I had not realized that Fresno’s numbers there were substantially better than ours. If the 2007 regular season was a “perfect storm” of one sort, the current situation certainly is a “perfect storm” of another.

    Again, where has Benson been in all this? We don’t need pretty, adjective-laden press releases.

  306. 808ike June 11, 2010 2:16 pm


    Think C-USA had 10x the viewership than the WAC but made only 3x the $ because
    teams were not very good except Memphis BB.

  307. A-House June 11, 2010 2:19 pm


    In my estimate, it is too late for the WAC Presidents/Commissioner to do anything positive about conference realingments.

    A plans hould have been in place 3-5 years ago!

    In the Army, lose this battle, lose this war!!!

  308. Jeff June 11, 2010 2:21 pm

    Without UH football what are the sportswriters at the Star Advertiser going to cover? Scary times for all.

  309. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 2:23 pm


    there will be no extra monies going back to upper campus if we lose football.. there will be less visibility for the a result, less students paying non-resident tuition…less fanfare, possibly less consideration for all kinds of grants, and investments. There will be less return on the matching funds to upgrade the athletic facilities, too. The Stadium will be lost… and the rest of the sports will cost more to run.

  310. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 2:26 pm

    Worst..we could actually end up finding out just how much impact watching Hawaii football on TV has on our tourism industry.

  311. 808ike June 11, 2010 2:28 pm


    Agree. Also student enrollment will drop 25% to 35%.

  312. PuaMohala June 11, 2010 2:29 pm

    I hear you. So, all we can do is watch our beloved UH sports go down the *ahem* toilet? Is there any possible hope or is it indeed “dire” as our master ST says?

  313. 808ike June 11, 2010 2:34 pm


    At the end, legislative body will have to step in or shut it down.

    So our legislators have a choice: NOW OR LATER!!!

  314. Pomai June 11, 2010 2:37 pm

    Pac-10 rules that USC players cannot transfer inside the conference

  315. Pomai June 11, 2010 2:38 pm

    That is without sitting out for one year. They may transfer out of conference and play right away.

  316. Pomai June 11, 2010 2:39 pm

    ike the sad thing is that all the tea in china won’t help UH right now….

  317. 808ike June 11, 2010 2:48 pm

    Tsaikos and Tsaikettes,

    I need your help! In 2008, our legislators walked through the Athletic DEPT.
    They said that funds will be appropriated for improvements of the Athletic DEPT.
    What have they done and were are the funds?

  318. skycap June 11, 2010 2:55 pm


  319. 808ike June 11, 2010 2:55 pm

    I need a “STAR TREK” computer.

  320. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 2:57 pm

    Forgive me for asking this question if it has been asked before. How does BSU forfeit its bowl money and when would that start?

    I wonder how motivated BSU football players are in winning the BCS championship if BSU is forced to forfeit the money it receives from the BCS?

  321. RedZone June 11, 2010 3:01 pm

    I was thinking like skycap. Maybe it is time for a huge change.

  322. BleedGreen808 June 11, 2010 3:08 pm

    Let’s not throw in the towel, let’s not close the book before it’s finished. Let’s not forget, the WAC has gone though this before. No matter how bad the leadership may be, it’s not over till the fat lady sings per say. There is always light at the end of the tunnel. I truly believe Hawaii will come out of this setback. If there’s a will, there’s a way.

    After all, we are…


  323. papajoe2 June 11, 2010 3:14 pm

    Coach Mac, can you see if USC has any O-linemen that would be interested in playing in paradise?

  324. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 3:16 pm


    I too am VERY glad that I went to the Sugar Bowl…while I never want it to be a “once in a lifetime experience” to watch MY TEAM play in it…the writing on the walls seem as though we are heading in that direction via the conference situation.

    Adding 2-4 Div 1AA schools most likely means we don’t go to a BCS even if we wipe the floor for a few years straight…:(

    I agree with a radio caller when he asked Benson to publicly make a call out to get the leftovers of the Big 12 or other leftover teams etc…Even if its futile and almost impossible make SOME EFFORT and show you care just a little bit for goodness sake!

  325. 310 Warior Alum June 11, 2010 3:18 pm

    What has Karl Benson done for UH? Nothing but screw us. This could be the end of Division I football for Hawaii. But, what about other sports? The Wahine Volleyball and Softball look to be stronger than ever. What will happen to them. Whatever Benson does, I hope he doesn’t bring in D-II teams. That would be the killer. How does a team leaving the WAC, give the WAC national credibility? I think it does the opposite. It just says the WAC is too weak and no one wants a part of it. Because of the travel costs, Hawaii is a great disadvantage. With the re-organizations of the conferences, Hawaii will be left out and the athletes from Hawaii will go to the mainland. Sports other than football will suffer! What good is it for Hawaii. Mainland schools are loving it, because they won’t have to compete with Hawaii for it’s top athletes. There are two things that can help, but I doubt that it will happen. One, that NCAA can help to defray the cost to come to Hawaii. What school would not want to come to Hawaii to play, if you can play almost for free? What conference would not want you? The other is to have the legislatures work on somekind of anti-trust suit against the NCAA for allowing this action which greatly impacts Hawaii. Many people still don’t think that Hawaii is part of the U.S. I doubt if any of these would happen.

  326. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 3:22 pm

    i wonder what would be the cost to “BUY” several flights or time-share like thing with an airline for 5 years at a time?…

    if we had to subsidize flights from lets say Oakland (not LA or SFO which would probably be more expensive) to honolulu how would we negotiate a chunk of flights over a few years?

    Couldn’t one airline add those flights in what would be a “seasonal flight” during football season to accommodate us and since we pay upfront and in a larger quantity get a cut throat rate?

    Hawaiian Airlines? 🙂

    I guess that would still be very very expensive and something we couldn’t afford.

  327. r b i June 11, 2010 3:36 pm

    hey carl maybe we could all join the ILH
    wishful thinking but hawaii should beg the pac 10
    give um discount airfare from hawaiian air

  328. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 3:51 pm

    Last time I checked we cannot move Hawaii closer to the continent…so with that being said.

    What do you think it will cost to get us into a different conference? Dollar amount? There has to be a price and I am just curious as to what that price may be.

  329. A-House June 11, 2010 4:00 pm

    Geographically, Hawaii moves closer to Japan each year by an 1″ or so. Fact!!!

  330. d1島 June 11, 2010 4:04 pm

    Here today, gone to Maui!


  331. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 11, 2010 4:05 pm


    That is true. So in and around year 208428208802384208 we can tap the Asian market. haha

  332. Jeff June 11, 2010 4:10 pm

    Hmm, Donovan also cancelled appearance on Sports Animals today

  333. skycap June 11, 2010 4:37 pm


  334. Garret June 11, 2010 4:49 pm

    Forgive me for asking this question if it has been asked before. How does BSU forfeit its bowl money and when would that start?

    I wonder how motivated BSU football players are in winning the BCS championship if BSU is forced to forfeit the money it receives from the BCS?


    The WAC changed the rules for BCS bowls last year, reducing the payment to the WAC team that makes a BCS bowl from the $4.5 million UH got to $3 million (before travel expenses). However, BSU gets to keep all of its $3 million even if they leave the WAC!

    So, the new rule that the WAC Presidents (including UH!) adopted will let BSU keep *all* of its BCS money even if they leave the WAC. The WAC Presidents and Karl Benson apparently forgot to include a clause that made teams take a smaller payment if they left the conference. Or maybe the WAC schools were planning to leave the WAC so they wanted to be able to keep their BCS money?

  335. Jason June 11, 2010 5:02 pm

    skycap: Just FYI, it’s usually not recommended to type in all capital letters online because that is sometimes construed as shouting.

    Speaking of which, you seem to be doing the same thing, Kazz. Deep breaths, my friend, deep breaths. 🙂

  336. Hawaiianbod June 11, 2010 5:21 pm

    g’afternoon Tsaikos!

    btw, it’s Kamehameha and NOT Kam. It’s a holiday honoring Hawaii’s former King and not some chinese dude….thank you!

  337. skycap June 11, 2010 5:25 pm


  338. Kazz June 11, 2010 5:32 pm


    Today is the beginning of the death of the innocence. The DEATH of the best interests of the student athlete taking precedence over greed and dollars.

    TODAY the NCAA is allowing for a violation of it’s own mission statement in serving the student athlete.

    What’s more disgusting is some people accepting this as the norm.

    A student athlete at UH Manoa that participates in a sport like soccer, softball, water polo, or tennis has the equal RIGHT to earn the privelege to play their sport just as much as the student athlete that participates in similar non-revenue sports in a school at some overblown and over-inflated mega conference.

    I hope those money grabbers can afford to purchase air conditioning in hell.

  339. Pomai June 11, 2010 5:36 pm

    After thinking about all that is going on I have decided to only worry about things that I can control, and that is supporting our student athlete’s be it with $$ or with my time an effort.


  340. Kazz June 11, 2010 5:39 pm

    Good thinking Pomai,

    But I like typing too. 😈

  341. Kazz June 11, 2010 5:42 pm


  342. wafan June 11, 2010 5:51 pm


    Whew, survived another one. Just eight more to go!

  343. OldDiver June 11, 2010 5:51 pm

    There are only a few universities who can afford USC football transfers, which gives them only a few options. UH is not one of them. I am not delusional enough to believe the payoffs stopped with R Bush.

  344. wafan June 11, 2010 5:52 pm

    Kazz . . .

    Fired? Geez. Must have been serious. Too bad.

  345. wafan June 11, 2010 5:55 pm

    I always liked watching dominos as they tipped over. The quiet clicking sound they made as they fell.

    Thinking I am not enjoying watching this set of dominos fall. The sound is not pleasant and the effort to clean up after this is over will be, i think, substantial.

    Hoping for the best for UH.

  346. OldDiver June 11, 2010 5:57 pm

    Trapasso like McMackin was forced to make coaching changes to insure success on the field. Good luck to Keith Komeiji.

  347. Dennis Halloran June 11, 2010 6:00 pm

    WAC is still viable Late night time slot is worth sometning to TV ads
    If UH wins, the mainland will watch
    USC has just come back to the pack. Happiest people in US are Jim Harbaugh and Slick Rick
    I agree that the MWC with addition of scraps will be the most changed

  348. Kazz June 11, 2010 6:16 pm

    OldDiver Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
    There are only a few universities who can afford USC football transfers, which gives them only a few options. UH is not one of them. I am not delusional enough to believe the payoffs stopped with R Bush.

    Go with your instinct sir! If you smell kaka, it’s not mochi ice cream. It happens at a lot of the big schools.

    That Pete Carroll video was just so cute. WE KNOW WHY YOU LEFT!!!!!!! 😆

  349. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 6:19 pm

    WOW Tsaiko Nation I don’t know what to say as the realignment is happening and UH is still in the weak WAC and if there is no movement on the horizon then a once proud athletic program will have a lower level DII schedule with schools of Sacramento State, San Luis Obispo and Santa Cruz being your replacements as I for one will NEVER attend games with those teams being our competition as I will be embarresed to say the least being a former player who played against the BEST competition being an Independent School and a young entry in the WAC with BYU, Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado State, Air Force and UTEP being the “TOUGH” competition as certainly time has changed !

    The only answer to this point is Benson got to get some schools to merge BUT trying to get the lesser teir MWC schools I don’t see them leaving with Boise State coming and giving them even LARGER exposure as San Diego State and UNLV are staying put as Hawaii is on the outside looking in with San Jose State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Utah State, Nevada, La Tech and Fresno State are staying or just waiting for an opportunity to “adios” the WAC !

    This re-alignment is crazy and has hit every conference whose teams are vacating the premises with desperate measures of saving their athletic department !

    Jim has got to be “pro active” but the way you folks talk about Commissioner Benson it does not look good for UH to stand and wait around thinking he will fill the void of quality teams coming in to salvage the WAC !

    Well good folks you have until this year until MAJOR teams make their move in 2011 as hopefully the WAC has survided with quality teams added on OR UH has moved on to greener and better pasteurs as “ONLY” time will tell !

  350. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 6:30 pm

    IN SH forum, they say that there is talk on an FCS board somewhere that Portland State, Montana, and Montana State could be in the WAC within a few weeks and La Tech is expected to leave. But that still means DII schedule…

  351. Richie June 11, 2010 6:32 pm

    Three of the top players to play during the June Jones’ era at UH were Pisa Tinoisamoa, Colt Brennan and Davonne Bess. All three had challenges prior to coming to UH and they really turned things around when they got here and they all ended up in the NFL. What then about Jeremiah Massoli? He certainly has big-time talent and he certainly has his challenges. Coming back to play in Hawaii may be what he needs to get his life back in order and we could certainly use him in the mix at QB.

  352. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 6:35 pm

    Masoli has had more than his fair share of chances, I’m afraid. In high school he had to transfer to Hawaii because he got trouble.. then similar trouble got him suspended for the entire 2010 season at Oregon.. and while still on probation he gets caught with not only marijuana, but driving with a “suspended” license? Makes you wonder how that got suspended, too!… so there’s just too much gray areas surrounding his character.. I don’t see him as Warrior material.

  353. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 6:36 pm

    If we have a schollie left, I’d rather see it go elsewhere… not on someone with only one year to play one year.

  354. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 6:37 pm

    USC lost is another Teams gain as OUTSTANDING seniors to be from the men of Troy are senior running back CJ Gable, quaterback Mitch Mustain and wide receiver David Ausberry names has come of light to possibly transfering out of the conference and playing right away at possible Big Major Schools as other names are to follow as the Dominoe effect keeps on coming and USC has no spinner or big six to stop the Dominoes from falling !

  355. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc June 11, 2010 6:46 pm

    Ever since I started posting on this blog in the late summer of 2007, I provided information about the amount of public funds for both Athletic Complex & Aloha Stadium upgrades. By the end of this fiscal year, a lotal of $45 million will have been appropriated; by the end of the next fiscal year, nearly $60 million will have been.

    Given the general budgetary deficits faced by the state starting about the time that UH went to the Sugar Bowl, this far outshines what most schools have received from their state governments.

    As Garret has said over & over, the failure to develop strong alumni support base over the past 50 years is what has made the difference between UH and schools such as Texas or Washington or Ohio State.

    Believe me on this one – the academic side of a public university thrives when its athletic programs do well. As soon as the next report is issued by the Regents’ office about the research awards, I’ll post a summary here along with a comparison from a decade ago adjusted for inflation.

    The State Legislature supports the University of Hawai`i system. They also get the connection between the success of UH and the visitor industry figures as well.

    FYI: The average age of State House members is just under 40 and the State Senate is just over 45. I doubt if the blog regulars who post here with the exception of Kazz & Jason are significantly younger than most legislators.

    CHANGE OF SUBJECT: Although I am able to number the posts using the VIEW button, the numbers to do stay when I click the Submit Comment or leave the blog altogether. Is there something I can do to fix this?

  356. RainbowCliff June 11, 2010 6:47 pm

    Good Night Tsaiko Nation as hopefully things will get better for Hawaii football and all of UH athletics with you good folks cheering loud and clear with your passion and dedication to your beloved Hawaii Warriors and Wahines !

    Pleasant Dreams !

  357. greenthumb June 11, 2010 6:48 pm

    RainbowCliff, I didn’t realize CJ Gable had another year left. He would bring value to many teams.

    I hope I am doing this right, if my name is blue, it is a link to a what-if story from the Tucson Citizen about current USC players who could transfer out of the PAC-whatever and not sit a year.

  358. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 6:50 pm

    Believe me on this one – the academic side of a public university thrives when its athletic programs do well. As soon as the next report is issued by the Regents’ office about the research awards, I’ll post a summary here along with a comparison from a decade ago adjusted for inflation.


    When successful Universities send out a representative to talk to potential donors, I bet they often send out former athletes who have made a name for themselves.

  359. chawan_cut June 11, 2010 6:50 pm

    boise is foolish. their greed will bite them in their blue smurf butts. the grass isn’t always greener (or uglier bluer for them) on the other side.
    they will never go undefeated again. byu, utah, tcu will have says in that.
    the bcs will never allow the mwc to get into their lucrative pot of gold. the mwc wasn’t included all these years into the guaranteed bcs money for a reason. and now that all these big schools are jumping ship and leaving the unwanteds behind, i can’t wait to see how the bcs re-writes their rules to only include these major super conferences.
    us on the other hand, we’re kinda screwed. i don’t think mr boise blue benson has a good plan of saving the wac or refilling it.
    and is usc saying they’re chicken? they’d better not cancel out on this game. they already look foolish with the bush/mayo fiasco.

  360. ballpicker June 11, 2010 7:15 pm

    Aloha and good evening everyone, first time blogger.

    Want to thank Mr Tsai for bringing this vehicle of information to those that care for Hawaii in general and the University of Hawaii in particular.

    I think I know a couple people on the blog but thats not what I want to say ill get into that later after u guys blog my to ……

    Look… all that is needed is for Hawaii to dominated the conference for a consistent period of time and it will work its self it out.

    Like some say nuff said..gotta go eat Roman Chicken. Check out the recipe on

    U people are tru fans and great people. Right DPK. PC

  361. Kazz June 11, 2010 7:15 pm

    Ok fine, if Montana State or Portland State are invited into the WAC, what is the process by which they can achieve D1 status?

  362. Garret June 11, 2010 7:20 pm


    The number crunchers said that BSU going to the MWC would get them about $3 million per year more than they got in the WAC.

    If BSU goes undefeated EVERY YEAR, they would get $3 million *before* expenses. That means they would make a profit of $1 million or less…taking in $2 million less than if they had a bad year in the MWC.

    BSU may have poor academics, but they can see that $2 million more guaranteed is a big number. They also remember that they went undefeated twice and did *not* make a BCS bowl game because the MWC got more respect and got in instead. They know they cannot go undefeated forever, and if they stay in the WAC that would cost them a lot of money and respect…in the MWC they are guaranteed to make more money *and* if they go to a BCS bowl the MWC won’t take all the money away like the WAC does now.

    The WAC adopted the rule that basically takes all the money away from the WAC team that goes to a BCS bowl except for the $3 million that is mainly used for expenses. That basically told BSU that if they make it to a BCS bowl the rest of the conference will take their money and just give them money for their expenses. The fact is that UH could *lose* money if they go to a BCS bowl since travel expenses are higher for UH.

    So, BSU makes $2 million more by sucking in the MWC than they do by going undefeated in the WAC and making a BCS bowl. If they make a BCS bowl in the MWC, they get to keep a bigger share of the BCS money than the WAC allows. If the MWC gets an AQ spot and/or a bigger TV contract in the future, those are big bonuses…but without either, they still come out way ahead.

    There is a reason why Fresno State, Nevada, and UH would join the MWC the second they asked.

  363. Garret June 11, 2010 7:21 pm


    USC isn’t scared of UH. Their NCAA violations require them to *cancel* a game they have scheduled in 2010 because the Hawaii exception doesn’t apply to them while they are under probation.

  364. Garret June 11, 2010 7:25 pm


    Any D-IAA (FCS) team can apply to move up to D-IA (FBS). Trouble is there is a moratorium now and a process they have to go through to get to full D-IA status. So, they could join the WAC in 2011, but wins over them would count as wins over a D-IAA team even though they would be a full member of the WAC.

    UH already plays a D-IAA team every year, so wins over conference members would not count. If that rumor is true and the WAC has 3 D-IAA teams moving up plus UH plays a D-IAA nonconference game, UH could go 8-5 and *not* be bowl eligible! 3 of the wins wouldn’t count, so UH would have just 5 wins…and I don’t think that 5 wins are enough to become bowl eligible.

  365. Garret June 11, 2010 7:27 pm

    Apparently Kansas has beaten out Utah for the final Pac-16 spot if Texas A&M chooses to go to the SEC.

    Joining the Longhorns would be Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma. Texas A&M could be the fifth team, but the Aggies remain undecided, torn between seeking a bid to the Southeastern Conference and joining their South rivals in the expanded Pac-10.

    With the Texas board of regents scheduled to meet Tuesday to address college realignment issues (accept the Pac-10 bid), the Aggies might have little time to sort out the inner conflict. A source familiar with the scenarios said Pac-10 would quickly move to invite Kansas, with its proud basketball program and proximity to the Kansas City market.

    A&M, without a clear invitation to the Southeastern Conference, would be gambling on SEC membership or else being left with four other schools in the Big 12.

  366. Garret June 11, 2010 7:28 pm

    The Pac-10 commissioner is going to fly to Texas and Oklahoma to personally deliver the invitations to Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State.

    Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott, fresh from welcoming Colorado to the conference Friday, was flying to the states of Texas and Oklahoma with invitations to the nation’s first mega-conference, a source familiar with the scenario said.

  367. Garret June 11, 2010 7:32 pm

    Sportsbow reported on SH that UH offered 4-star JC RB Aaron Harris a scholarship. SDSU offered him before UH, but hopefully he wants to see a new area. The JC in Chula Vista is not that far away from SDSU.

  368. Jeff June 11, 2010 7:34 pm

    Yup end of UH athletics as we know it. We can work behind the scenes all we want but if Football doesn’t win then all the behind the scenes work won’t matter. I hope football does well, but as they say hope is not a plan. I predict a losing record next season and an uncertain future for football at the University. The state doesn’t have the political will sad to say.

  369. Garret June 11, 2010 7:35 pm

    I would prefer for the Pac-16 to take Utah instead of Kansas, since that would help weaken the MWC and open spots for WAC teams to join the MWC or a MWC/WAC merger. However, Kansas does have a good basketball team and they were good in football recently.

  370. Pomai June 11, 2010 7:35 pm

    I wonder if JJ would like to be the new WAC comish? Hey what the heck with all that is going on nothing wrong with dreaming????

  371. Garret June 11, 2010 7:37 pm

    The other bad thing is that Kansas leaving the Big 12 makes it less likely that the Big 12 could grab a bunch of MWC teams…if the MWC was raided, the leftovers (UNLV, SDSU, etc.) would have to join with the WAC.

  372. Garret June 11, 2010 7:41 pm


    JJ is quite busy building the SMU program. He just did 7 camps all around the state of Texas (going to the big cities and to East Texas and West Texas). They already have 8 commits, beating out Big 12, SEC, MWC and ACC schools for some of the recruits.

    Now that JJ actually has a recruiting budget, he appears to be a very different type of recruiter. He even did home visits in several states (Louisiana and Oklahoma, plus all over Texas, if I remember Reinebold’s facebook news correctly).

  373. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 7:43 pm

    Hawaii better make it to the Sheraton Bowl this season or it might be good bye Sheraton Bowl with more DII teams joining the WAC…

  374. cocobean June 11, 2010 7:46 pm

    Lost in the shuffle of the Big Money Grab of 2010 is the student athlete. The Big 10 schools made 22Mil each this year. Their projections of expansion in the right markets could double their take.
    If I were a student athlete at any of the schools that end up in super conferences I’d petition the NCAA that 20% of any TV contract money from any sport be put into a fund that will distributed to ALL the student athletes of that school as a “stipend”.
    I predict one future outcome of conference realignment will be stipends to the people that are producing the revenue…the student athlete.

  375. Pomai June 11, 2010 7:47 pm

    Garret I know JJ is set at SMU, but you have to admit he would be a good person to be the new comish. Then again I’d rather have him back as the head coach, oh well I’ll stop my far fetched ramblings.

  376. madeinhawaii June 11, 2010 7:53 pm

    JJ as Commish? Nah, he still needs to sell the RnS to the rest of the world.. but maybe one of JJ’s NFL connections would do us some good.

  377. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 7:57 pm

    Welcome to the blog, ballpicker. I don’t know who’s you, but what you say makes sense! 😉

    The bottome line is: just win baby!

    With that being said, on the news tonight, our AD spoke his mind about all the fears and speculation which have been spawned by all the conference re-alignments/defections. And I must say, at this point, I’m with Jim.

    He asks us to remember this years successes in volleyball, baseball, softball and Amber Kaufman’s Gold medal in track and field. Those teams and their accomplishments tell the real story here; UH is and will remain a contender in the uppermost echelons of collegiate athletics. And while being in the middle of the ocean presents its challenges, JD reminds us taht it isnt a game breaker. This spring summer, UH’s teams and individuals have performed mightily in venues thousands of miles away, and have acquitted themeselves admirably in the process.

    I can understand the misgivings shared here today about UH’s future, especially in football.

    But as far I’m concerned, I’m with Jim.

    UH’s best years lie ahead of us, and I look forward to enjoying them with the great fans found here on the WB.

    PS – Let’s not forget about the promise of UH men’s and womens basketball. Stay tuned!

  378. Kazz June 11, 2010 8:04 pm


    It’s important that UH officials and local legislators REMEMBER and RECOGNIZE the successes of programs at UH like Wahine volleyball and softball, baseball, and women’s track and field had on a national level.

    Granted, no kala is made, but what a waste of talent to provide national notarity for UH in many avenues of collegiate athletes and that UH can be more than a one trick DONKEY errr… Pony… Bronco.. Whatever.. 😆

    Coach Gib Arnold does show promise of restoring a basketball program that has three WAC Tournament Championships.

    As for football, this season will tell what kind of direction the current staff will bring this program. Mr. Donovan has more at stake now with that regard.

  379. oldie June 11, 2010 8:05 pm

    If USC is forced to pull out of the game on September 2, I wonder if ESPN will try get another BCS school to come. Since the game is on a Thursday, a team coming over will have enough recovery time provided they have a bye that weekend. Obviously, they wouldn’t schedule to come if they had a game on September 4.

    The attraction in coming to Hawaii is National TV exposure on ESPN. I wonder how many BCS schools have byes that weekend?

  380. Kazz June 11, 2010 8:09 pm


    I do believe that the better opportunity for UH is in the MWC, BUT reality is reality.

    Garret Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
    I would prefer for the Pac-16 to take Utah instead of Kansas, since that would help weaken the MWC and open spots for WAC teams to join the MWC or a MWC/WAC merger. However, Kansas does have a good basketball team and they were good in football recently.

    Even if there is a WAC/MWC merger in this scenario, we’ll be left out. They will cite travel again and again and again. That’s not me being pessimistic, that’s me citing history and current trends.

    Garret Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
    The other bad thing is that Kansas leaving the Big 12 makes it less likely that the Big 12 could grab a bunch of MWC teams…if the MWC was raided, the leftovers (UNLV, SDSU, etc.) would have to join with the WAC.

    This would be the most likely scenario and probably the most favorable considering the reality of our situation at UH. At least these teams field the same sports UH participates in and are of FBS status.

  381. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:21 pm


    You are correct. We need leadership which has the will to recognize UH’s amny accomplishments.

  382. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:22 pm


  383. ballpicker June 11, 2010 8:41 pm

    Right ON DPK.

  384. Garret June 11, 2010 8:41 pm

    If the Big 12 was able to raid the MWC, SDSU, UNLV, Air Force (or Colorado State), and Wyoming would be probably be left behind. They would be good additions to the WAC…far better than D-IAA programs.

    So, in this mess I guess we have to cheer for the Big 12 to win over the MWC. It sure would help if Utah instead of Kansas went to the Pac-10. Or if Texas A&M goes to the Pac-10, then the Big 12 would have 5 teams and it is possible they could win the showdown with the MWC.

    It is strange to have some other conference have so much power over UH’s fate!

    The WAC would end up looking something like this:
    Air Force
    Colorado State
    Fresno State
    Utah State

    That would be a 12-team WAC that would get fan support and UH could do well in that conference.

    Anyway, that is the best case scenario I can come up with. The nice thing is that all it requires is for the Big 12 to raid the MWC, which could happen. Who would have thought a year ago that we would have to worry about whether or not the Big 12 would be stronger than the MWC?

  385. Garret June 11, 2010 8:43 pm

    Free play link time. Please ignore my next 5 posts if you do not want to read the off-topic stuff. I’ll try the free play links once to see if the HSA minds…

    Military technologist proposed a surprising and possibly realistically green solution to the oil spill! He suggests that we use one of the MOAB bombs at Eglin Air Force Base or one of the retired Daisy Cutter bombs, which apparently would *permanently* seal the leaking well. This would be a proven, safe, and *green* solution! He admits that BP wouldn’t like this solution because they would not be able to reopen that particular well.

  386. Garret June 11, 2010 8:44 pm

    A high school student in Oregon who will be attending Harvard in the fall explained why he chose Harvard instead of Yale despite being named *Yale Fan*. He was not name for the university, Yale is just “phonetically similar” to his Chinese name.

  387. Garret June 11, 2010 8:44 pm

    Armed thieves in Indianapolis broke into a man’s apartment and stole a man’s flat-screen TV…and they forced him to help them move it down a flight of stairs!

  388. Garret June 11, 2010 8:45 pm

    Apple has applied for a patent for a *solar-powered iPhone*. This would solve the battery life problem for smartphones and force everyone else to scramble to catch up with them!

  389. ballpicker June 11, 2010 8:46 pm

    Wow just a minute the chicken stew or Roman Stew was ono.

    I was up on campus in the alice knapp era. Ms ninia?

    If no connection no biggie still love the conversations that u all have and I will drop in more since I figured out how to reply. pc

  390. Garret June 11, 2010 8:46 pm

    Microscopic polymer fibers are being developed to help rebuild human tissue and speed the healing process–the hope is that in 10 years a tendon, spinal cord or heart valve will be able to regenerate itself after an injury or disease.

  391. Garret June 11, 2010 8:46 pm

    Free play links pau.

  392. A-House June 11, 2010 8:49 pm

    IF and only if UH is left without a conference, the WAC may cease to exist if Fresno, Nevada, and LaTech bolt for other conferences, what then?

    Since football is the $$$ train, no $$$ means no other sports; no matter how good VB or SB or Track or swimming/Diving or Sailing or Tennis or Golf are on the national level.

    I just hope that Jim D has a “backup plan” to address this issue.

    And Benson’s plan to “add” DII schools is a fart in the wind and will not make the WAC a conference to reckon with. UH could go undefeated for the next 3 or 4 years and still NOT be invited to a BCS bowl game! Also, if the BCS changes theie bowl eligibility, it would make it even more difficult to get an invite!

    Some have mentioned adding SDSU and UNLV to the WAC, but are they not in $$$ trobule? and, moving to the WAC means less $$$.

    I stand by my position that some one has to make a decision if UH will keep football or not. I don’t like it, but reality is————. Who, within the UH community, has discussed, privately, dropping or keeping football with the Gov, Mayors, Legislature as a contigency plan? And, its many ramifications to UH athletics?

  393. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:49 pm

    JD on Kekaula’s sports report tonight:

    “We’re geographically isolated, that’s not gonna change. But that doesn’t mean we have to have an attitude of doom and gloom.
    The baseball team lost in the championship round of the regionals.
    Amber Kauffman just took the national title in the high jump.
    I think that everybody has to remember the lesson that our softball team taught us at Alabama. It was two outs in the bottom of the seventh inning and we were down by a run, and we beat the number one seed in softball and went to the College World series.
    We’ll face these challenges head on and we’ll make the best of it, but the University of Hawaii is gonna stay Division 1 in college athletics and we’re gonna thrive!”

    He went on to say that while losing Boise is a big blow to WAC football, we need to look for the teams who are left after this “musical chairs” of conference re-alignment is over.

    Good stuff, spoken by a guy who is one of the reasons why we have much to look forward to in UH athletics! I’m with Jim!

    Believe Gangeez, believe! If our teams can, so can we! 🙂

  394. A-House June 11, 2010 8:52 pm

    sorry – theie = their

  395. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 8:55 pm

    I got ya now, ballpicker! Howzit brah! Great to see you here. 🙂 🙂 🙂

    You were the one who came to mind when I saw those intials!

    You gotta come out to one of the Tsaiko get togethers, I guarantee you’re gonna love these folks!

    Keep posting brother! 😉

    BTW, how did you know I was DPK? Did KA tell you?

  396. Kazz June 11, 2010 9:00 pm

    Garret Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    If the Big 12 was able to raid the MWC, SDSU, UNLV, Air Force (or Colorado State), and Wyoming would be probably be left behind. They would be good additions to the WAC…far better than D-IAA programs.

    So, in this mess I guess we have to cheer for the Big 12 to win over the MWC. It sure would help if Utah instead of Kansas went to the Pac-10. Or if Texas A&M goes to the Pac-10, then the Big 12 would have 5 teams and it is possible they could win the showdown with the MWC.

    It is strange to have some other conference have so much power over UH’s fate!

    The WAC would end up looking something like this:
    Air Force
    Colorado State
    Fresno State
    Utah State

    I can get behind this! 😎

  397. Da Punchbowl Kid June 11, 2010 9:03 pm

    Garret and Kazz –

    I can too!

    I think that’s what JD was alluding to in his remarks on KITV.

  398. Kazz June 11, 2010 9:04 pm

    Garret Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
    Apple has applied for a patent for a *solar-powered iPhone*. This would solve the battery life problem for smartphones and force everyone else to scramble to catch up with them!

    Too bad Apple’s iPhone is on an inferior network to that of Verizon and or Sprint.

    I have VZW, and while a bit pricey, the coverage is FANTASTIC. Looking forward to October where I will be able to upgrade and explore the AnDROID market. The Motorola Droid 2 just came out, the Droid X from Motorola also will be released and the HTC “Incredible” also on the Android system is running and doing well.

    In the end, consumers will want a better network, better phones with a good OS and will not really feel to bad about dealing with the short battery life.

  399. Kazz June 11, 2010 9:07 pm

    BTW, anyone with Sprint, I suggest you explore the HTC EVO. It’s a serious alternative/option to the iPhone. My brother previously had AT&T and the iPhone, but switched to Sprint.

    HTC is really stepping it up in the world of SmartPhones.

  400. ballpicker June 11, 2010 9:09 pm

    No nobody said a word. And yes I look forward to being a more consistent blogger. K den. I got lots to say but time is short tonight. Take care all. pc

  401. Kazz June 11, 2010 9:10 pm


    There is always the hope and always the expectation that people that are actually involved with the situations we, as fan, boosters, bloggers, speculate on do have the inside info and have a much better picture of what will happen.

    Again, that is the hope and the expectation.

    If Garret is correct about what the WAC could potentially end up looking like, I WILL BUY HIM A STEAK DINNER AT RUTH CHRIS’ STEAK HOUSE THE NEXT TIME HE IS IN HAWAII!!!

  402. Kazz June 11, 2010 9:13 pm


    I just realize what time it is and I haven’t eaten since 10 this morning….

    I’ve been moping around all day!!!!!!

  403. wafan June 11, 2010 9:14 pm

    Must be those Skittles and energy drinks.

  404. wafan June 11, 2010 9:15 pm

    Eight more wake ups.


  405. papajoe2 June 11, 2010 9:21 pm

    A-house, i hope UH doesn’t lose the football program. I don’t even want to think of it because a lot of local boys will not get a college education. men’s basketball will have to win to break even or make some money. i think women’s volleyball will survive as they also make money. the baseball team used to make money or break even has to get the fans back in the stands. the men’s volleyball team could probably make some money too but, the NCAA may revoke men’s volleyball altogether anyway. softball would definitely have to charge an admission. UH soccer and other sports like golf, track, water polo, cheerleading, women’s basketball, etc. will probably go out the window unless they get themselves some major sponsors. too sad so i hope this doesn’t happen.

  406. RedZone June 11, 2010 9:26 pm

    No UH football no need to maintain Aloha Stadium. Without the stadium we will never see the Pro Bowl again.

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  408. duffer (iPhone) June 11, 2010 10:10 pm

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  409. d1島 June 11, 2010 11:01 pm


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  410. duffer June 12, 2010 12:08 am

    Anyone know coach Dana’s email?

  411. duffer June 12, 2010 12:10 am

    Neva mind, went to the UH website……….

  412. iwonderwhytheyhateme June 12, 2010 12:26 am

    OK, do any of you know if our former pro football players donate money to the program?

    i can’t say i pay a heck of a lot of attention so maybe i missed some public announcements like this…but honestly i have not heard of colt or jason elam etc making a donation (maybe they privately)…

    for instance Ndamukong Suh donated $2.6 Million to Nebraska. Now I know our players aren’t the “star” rookies that come out of the bigger conferences and make those multi-multi-million dollar contracts but have they been financially supportive of a school and community that supported them?

    My instinct is that these players are giving, but just not getting recognition for it. Maybe UH should make it a point to show that they are being supported by the athletes that were given the opportunity here in Hawaii. It’s good publicity for the school IMO.

  413. Kekoa (iPhone) June 12, 2010 2:28 am

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  414. J June 12, 2010 3:31 am

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    “The 2004 poll stands,” AP sports editor Terry Taylor confirmed in an e-mail Friday to the Los Angeles Times. “The poll is intended to measure on-field performance. If teams are allowed to play, they’re allowed to be ranked and USC certainly played in 2004.”

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  415. Garret June 12, 2010 3:53 am

    There is a big difference between the money Texas makes and the money the top Pac-10 schools make. This is one reason every conference wants Texas.

    Texas reported athletic related revenue of $138.4-million for the 2008-9 academic year. USC had the highest amount of athletic revenue in the Pac-10 that year at $80.1-million. UCLA reported $66.1-million.

  416. Garret June 12, 2010 4:03 am


    You and I, as well as UH fans everywhere, would like that WAC+MWC conference. Now that so many dominoes are fallen, it boils down to the Big 12 vs. the MWC. If the Big 12 raids the MWC, UH would likely end up with a MUCH better conference. UH sports would be set for a long time and the next TV contract would go up in value. If UH dominates that new conference, it would be a target for the next round of expansion.

    If the MWC holds strong, they would get AQ status and the WAC will have to add a whole pack of D-IAA teams. That is the worst case imaginable–the Pac-16 would be stronger and have every game in every sport available to be watched throughout the country and the MWC would be an AQ conference that competes for the same recruits that UH wants.

    UH fans have a rooting interest in expansion now: Big 12 over MWC. It sounds like JD and the WAC have contacted the MWC teams that might get left behind, which is probably all they can do now. Either the Big 12 or the MWC will be an AQ conference when the dust settles…

  417. Garret June 12, 2010 4:08 am

    Losing the USC would cost UH a *lot* of money! This is from ST’s article today:

    Donovan said there is a possibility the Warriors, who are permitted to play up to 13 regular-season games each year, might play only 12 in 2011. The Warriors earn a net average of $700,000 per home game in ticket revenue; the scheduled 2010 season opener against Southern California is expected to net $1.5 million.

  418. Garret June 12, 2010 4:09 am

    That should read “Losing the USC game…”

  419. Garret June 12, 2010 4:15 am

    Is Nevada going to openly lobby for the MWC like BSU did?

    And for Nevada — and perhaps Fresno State — that opportunity revealed itself on Friday. And what an opportunity it is, a chance to realign with UNLV and to join a conference that has a shot at becoming an automatic qualifier for the Bowl Championship Series.

    The odds are probably against Nevada getting an invitation. All the pieces have to fall in place. The MWC must either decide to continue to expand to 12 or 16 teams, or the conference would have to lose a couple schools — Utah, BYU and TCU have been linked to possible conference jumping, perhaps to the Big 12.

    And even then Nevada must look prettier to the Mountain West than other potential prom dates, such as SMU and Houston, both of whom bring with them very attractive media markets, which play a big role in the giant TV contracts.

  420. Garret June 12, 2010 4:16 am

    “I suspect the Mountain West understands that if there is expansion in that conference, we would be interested,” Crowley said. “I know that to be the case. … We sit in a position where our destiny is controlled by others.

    “You don’t ever want to put yourself in a position to be perceived as a beggar. You also want to put yourself in a position to say you’re a loyal member of the WAC, which we are. … I think reactive or proactive is a really simple way to look at a complicated picture.”

    Is it me? Am I playing the role of the young lion who loses out on dinner because he’s overanxious?

    “I think there will be lot’s of conversations in the next week or two,” Glick said, referring to Nevada and the MWC.

  421. Garret June 12, 2010 4:30 am

    The MWC has already contacted Kansas and Missouri to make their conference have 12 teams…that would kill the Big 12 and make the MWC an AQ conference.

    Mountain West Conference sources confirmed that the league is sending out feelers to Big 12 members that may be left out in any continued conference shake-up, most notably Kansas and Missouri.

    Kansas State would be another option. Baylor, however, would not be.

    With the addition of Boise State, the MWC hopes it can get a temporary BCS automatic qualifier status in 2012 and 2013.

    All signs point to Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State departing the Big 12. That would leave a few available schools, most notably Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri to potentially join the MWC.

    Despite success in nearly every sport but football, Baylor may not be so welcome in another MWC expansion. Some TCU officials and powerful alums remain irked over the way Baylor was included in the Big 12 after the breakup of the Southwest Conference. The Frogs were left out.

    Adding Kansas or Missouri would only further enhance the MWC’s attempt to earn an automatic BCS bid.

  422. RainbowCliff June 12, 2010 4:48 am

    Good Morning Tsaiko Nation, just catching up on all the post’s and reading the possible entrance of Portland State and Montana State is very sad as they are DII at best with NO recognition of beating any body BIG in football as if my memory is correct they were once recognize in the Big Sky Conference IF that conference still exist !

    Yes, you did well in softball and the basebows won the WAC Tournament and Jennifer is an NCAA High Jump Champion BUT football is your bread and butter and with out playing high caliber teams from a good athletic conference you won’t see fan support, tv coverage, rivalries or mega bucks coming the aloha way and your other sports will suffer existance with out football leading Hawaii athletics !

    I like what Garret’s propose WAC to look like IF the BIG 12 to win over the MWC BUT that is hoping for another conference to seal our fate and from personal experience when you “snooze you lose” as waiting to see what happens just leaves you being thrown the scraps that is left over after every one has finish eating.

    Beautiful Saturday morning to ALL as I hope you good folks have a GREAT day !

    World Cup is ON and BIG game with Lakers and Boston tomorrow as we here in LA are in full anticipation with our gear and car flags traveling the roads and streets.

    USC News is quiet for now as I hope the game with you folks is still ON but the probation has hit and the appeal is in process as when news comes I will get it as fast to you “GOOD OR BAD” !

  423. roysan16 June 12, 2010 5:13 am

    This is what I hope the WAC does-

    Increase the total number of schools to 12; and have two divisions

    Having 12 schools is the number you need to have a playoff and one additional game at the end of the season

    The WAC needs to follow what the other leagues are doing, namely going in the direction of having a playoff game at the end of the season.

    Teams fighting it out for the top spots in their division and vying for a playoff spots generates a lot of fan interest. Puts more spectators in the stands, and viewers in front of television sets. Even ESPN might pick up this game, which would give the league national exposure.

    The WAC has to appeal to the NCAA that during the rebuilding of the league with FCS schools that they be allowed an exemption to the rules,where games between the FBS schools in the WAC and the new members (FCS schools) do count for bowl eligibility.

    I’ve read where the Hawaii exemption (the 13th game) will become extinct because of the mega conferences having their playoffs during the first week of December which deters teams from scheduling with Hawaii at the end of the season. So, then, I think what Hawaii should do is ask the NCAA for help, namely allowing them to open the football season earlier which would allow them a better chance of landing a marque opponent.

    Names of schools that the WAC may be courting like Montana (averaged 24k a game); Cal Poly (9.5 k), Cal-Davis (9.5 k), Sacramento State (9.5 K).


    Cal Poly-20k
    Cal-Davis-31K, In its first year of full Division I status, 11 UC Davis teams qualified for post season play
    Sacramento State-22K

    The potential to rebuild (and build) is there. But it should be complemented with commitment,envisioning and master planning from the WAC and the member schools.

    Accept that Boise State is gone. Hope the bleeding has clotted. And that the WAC focuses on becoming healthier again. Right now, how I see it, that’s all you can wish for.

  424. airsumo June 12, 2010 5:22 am

    Long time lurker, first post. I have to agree with post # 318 (Skycap). We should look to Asia to supplement income revenues. Soccer, volleyball, and volleyball are popular in Asia. We should schedule games in these sports in Japan, Korea, China, and Australia. I imagine the tv draw would be in the millions. This would also make us attractive to other conferences.

  425. Annoddah Dave June 12, 2010 5:40 am

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    With the new morning, did someone remember to turn off the lights?

  426. wafan June 12, 2010 5:58 am

    A super-duper breautiful Saturday mrning! If it is this nice here it must be unbelievable on dj’s side of the hill!

  427. wafan June 12, 2010 6:03 am

    Hoping for the MWC to be raided so the Warriors can have a shot at a move to a conference with a commissioner who is conscious and presidents who can think beyond the tips of their collective pointy heads.

  428. whitey June 12, 2010 6:26 am

    Good morning Tsaikos.

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  430. wafan June 12, 2010 6:27 am

    Good morning Whitey.

  431. wafan June 12, 2010 6:29 am

    Hoping Liz and the rest of the USA contingent touched down safely and are checked in at the hotel in Mumbai.

    Must have been a butt-numbing flight. I wonder I would be able to handle being in a pressurized cylinder for all that time.

  432. 808ike June 12, 2010 6:49 am

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  434. d1島 June 12, 2010 7:27 am

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  435. Pomai June 12, 2010 7:55 am

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  436. papajoe2 June 12, 2010 8:14 am

    aloha kakahiaka everybody, with all this talk of playing the Asia teams, who will police the teams from having professionals, hgh and doping, ages of the athletes, etc. the Olympics couldn’t police them with all their money. how could we? with all the money the Asia market could produce, i agree that we should look into it, but maybe the TV market and exhibition games.

  437. madeinhawaii June 12, 2010 8:29 am

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  438. Kekoa (iPhone) June 12, 2010 8:46 am

    Papajoe ~ No problem. We put the Asian athletes thru our own Tsaiko-Tsertification. If they can pass Mrs. A-house’s scrutiny, and sign the pledge in her Book…then, it’s a lock!

    Again, another round of conference grumblin’ so early in the AM. Think I’ll volunteer to walk jm2375’s dog for a change of pace. Beats worrying about the sky falling.

    D-1, check out dat 50’s diner in da Kahalui shopping center. Whoo dey get all flavors of Waffles, pancakes, and real Maui Portuguese sausage. Check wit Whitey or Duffer, they might suggest their Breakfast of Champions Diner as an alternate.


  439. papajoe2 June 12, 2010 9:26 am

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  441. A-House June 12, 2010 11:46 am

    Since there are so many different scenarios of realingment, I hope the following does not happen to the WAC (from the movie, Day After Tomorrow).

    British Prof speaking to USA Prof: we just lost the Royal Family as the chopper sent to them all crashed – seems the gas lines froze.

    USA Prof: gas lines froze? – associate: gas freezes at -150 degrees! You must get out of there!

    Brit Prof: I’m sorry my friend, it’s too late! (phone goes dead)

    With all this turmoil, I certainly hope that the State Legislature, Honolulu City Council, DEBT, local hotels and airlines, and Aloha Stadium can be much more proactive in offering “concessions” to make UHAD a viable and attractive venue. But, I won’t hold my breath because they have NO ONE, that I know of, within their respective organizations who possess the ability or capability to push a “pro-active” UH agenda the demise of which will have a terrible negative impact on the State’s economy!

    Wishful thinking: Hawaiian or another airline willing to work with UH can offer 33%-40% discounts on airfare which can be allocated as a contribution and tax deductible and Sheraton or Outrigger or Starwood can offer the same discounts for the “official travel party” for all teams within the conference; bus company can do the same; all boosters traveling with the team can be allowed a 10-15% discount off all merchandise, meals, etc. by showing their state’s drivers license.

    Aloha Stadium Authority, from their side, offer UH a “package” on parking and concession contribution.

    City Council can change their “regulations/ guidelines” to allow functions at the SCC.

    State Legislature can minimize the budget cuts to UH-Manoa specifically for UHAD.

    Working together, much can be accomplished to keep UH athletics a viable and attractive venue.

    Bottom line is teams and fans coming in will boost the hotel rates/income during many “off-peak” months and same applies to arilines – why fly 2/3 full when you can get sold out planes; fans/teams spending will contibute to State tax coffers.

    AND, lastly the fans would have to make changes for football as UH moves the start time for games to 3 or 4 or 5pm to make televised games available on the mainland and visiting teams can save hotel/meals money by leaving right after a game.

    All must make a sacrafice to insure that UH does continue in football and all other sports!!!

  442. Bye Boise (w/UPDATE) | Sports News June 12, 2010 3:16 pm

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  443. Dennis Halloran June 12, 2010 5:03 pm

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    Kinda like Noseeums
    As a KU dad, I think their only shot is to join the MWC. What a Basketball powerhouse that would be. rivaling the Pac16 for TV

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  462. Trade Show Display Booth June 26, 2010 7:29 pm

    Random question: I was told to start a blog so that my clients or potential clients could connect with me, I am a photographer. Do you find that happening with your readers?

  463. Frankie Tamaro June 29, 2010 5:04 am

    you are very talented.

  464. Chan Burrows June 29, 2010 12:48 pm

    your blog’s design is simple and clean and i like it. Your blog posts are superb.

  465. San Diego photographer July 9, 2010 9:35 pm

    Thanks for the share! I have a question a little off topic. I wanted to start a blog to share my experiences as well as work, but didn’t want it to be too salesy. Do you find your style works best with just sharing?

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