Schroeder, Woolsey takes reps

If the game were played today, it would be Sean Schroeder or Ikaika Woolsey at quarterback.

If it were tomorrow, well …

For now, Taylor Graham is on a “day-by-day” status because of a sore left (non-throwing) shoulder, according to UH head coach Norm Chow, and has not been ruled out of starting against Fresno State on Saturday.

Today, Schroeder and Woolsey took most of the reps, and Jeremy Higgins split time between UH’s offense and the scout team.

After practice, Chow told reporters: “We decided we’d go with Sean or Ikaika if Taylor can’t go.”

Later, Chow clarified the comment, telling the Star-Advertiser that the situation can change tomorrow. He said Higgins remains in the mix.

“How can we make a decision on Tuesday?” Chow said. “The game’s on Saturday.”

* * * * *

Linebacker Julian Gener, the Rainbow Warriors’ third-leading tackler, has a season-ending elbow injury.

This Friday, he is scheduled to undergo what is popularly termed “Tommy John surgery,” a ligament-repair operation that is performed mostly on baseball pitchers. Unlike a pitcher, the recovery time is shorter for a linebacker, and Gener is expected to be ready for next year’s training camp.

He also meets two criteria for a medical redshirt: 1) He will not play in more than three games this year. 2) He was injured within the first six games.

A medical redshirt would extend his career through the 2015 season.

That’s the sliver of  a silver lining. Gener will be missed for his football skills, feisty personality and, more importantly, because he’s a good guy.


  1. azwarrior22 September 24, 2013 5:41 am


  2. PolyMom September 24, 2013 5:44 am

    ST do you have the # for Bobby Curan show?

  3. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 5:44 am

    (808) 296-1420

  4. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 5:47 am

    By the way, 48 hours is over.

    It’s editing day.

    Time to behave, people.

  5. WarriorNY September 24, 2013 5:48 am

    Morning all,

    ST, any word on Graham and Iosefa?

  6. WarriorNY September 24, 2013 5:53 am

    Nevermind ST,

    I just read your article…

    Have a great day all..

  7. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 5:53 am


    Thanks for subscribing.

  8. PolyMom September 24, 2013 5:54 am

    Mahalo ST. My BIL wants to call in today from Malibu wrote the book about the 1972 USC National Championship team that Karl Lorch played on.

    Aloha KP, we will miss you. You were a gentle giant to me. Ferd got all of his info for his story and mentions my BIL’s Immortal Team of Immortal Men. Excellent stories by KP in the book.

  9. d1shima September 24, 2013 6:01 am

    Great Morning All!

    RIP KP Lorch.

    Tough news about LB Gener. The guy is a sparkplug.

  10. d1shima September 24, 2013 6:03 am

    Have a terrific day erryboddy!

    Let’s Go Bows!

  11. d1shima September 24, 2013 6:08 am

    Oh, one more.

    Misery loves company is not always true. Members of this club are all looking for a quick exit.

    (Mahalo to PIAA Doris for the link)

  12. PolyMom September 24, 2013 6:14 am

    My BIL will be talking about KP tomorrow on ESPN with Bobby Curran at 6:15 your time.

    Go Warriors!

  13. Old Diver September 24, 2013 6:34 am

    Tough injury, good luck to Gener for a speedy recovery.

  14. Former UH Athlete September 24, 2013 6:55 am

    Get well Gener… You will be needed in 2014&15. I heard ST mention Tommy Johns and thought, oh crap, that’s 12-18 months, but then I remembered that LBs don’t throw, so actually, it’s less recovery time than a knee. So that’s good.

    Hopefully, Graham & St Juste will be ready for Saturday. That’s UH’s only hope to cover the spread. Fresno’s defense get plenty holes so St Juste could have a big day if healthy.

    Betting line update…. Hawaii is a consensus (+18.5) underdog. WIlliam Hill opened at (19). Total is 58. In spite the negative chatter about the offense on this blog, UH moved the ball pretty well before the St Juste went out with injury. The odds makers, which have zero bias regarding UH, have noticed that the offense is looking a little better in each game so far and defense is better than the stats suggest.

  15. Leron September 24, 2013 7:03 am

    ST…..replacing Gener; why Sablan and not Fonua, who got some PT last year?

  16. UHfan808 September 24, 2013 7:05 am

    Good morning, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! 😀

    Oh gosh – Hope Gener and all the Warriors heal up quick!

  17. Former UH Athlete September 24, 2013 7:07 am

    Speaking of injuries… did anyone see the Arizona Cardinals player who lost his fingertip trying to tackle Darren Sproles on a punt return?

    Talk about freak injuries…

  18. Former UH Athlete September 24, 2013 7:09 am

    More ridiculous injury stories…

    Tell Nate Burleson to order delivery next time he wants pizza.–nfl.html

  19. tommui September 24, 2013 7:10 am


  20. jm2375 September 24, 2013 7:32 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    Fast healing to all the injured Warriors.


    GO BOWS!

  21. Wes'side Warrior September 24, 2013 7:40 am

    Morning, Gang!

    Always tough to hear of injuries… tougher yet when the player has such a positive impact on everyone around him, (on our team as well as our opponents). Heal up, Gener! Get EVERYTHING documented, and hang onto those important papers! Never know when the NCAA will ack stoopid about medical stuffeses.

    Heal up, Warriorz!

    Have a great day, everyone!

  22. Capitolist/WassupDoc September 24, 2013 7:47 am

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  23. papajoe2 September 24, 2013 8:03 am

    Good morning everybody.

  24. SteveM September 24, 2013 8:05 am

    Good morning everyone!

    Best wishes for Julian Gener — see you on the field next year!

  25. Marleysdad September 24, 2013 8:06 am

    Good luck on Friday Ju-Ju. Heal up quick & rehab like a madman.

  26. RedZone September 24, 2013 8:07 am

    Bummers I hate season ending injuries. Take care Gener. I hope all the Rainbow Warriors and Wahine can heal quickly.

    Go Wahine!

    Go Warriors!

  27. (Jesse)James September 24, 2013 8:26 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!!!

    Too bad about Gener…heal up and healing thoughts to you Mr. Gener.

    Just be sure to keep all the paperwork for the medical redshirt since we all know how that works…. 🙁

  28. oldtimer808 September 24, 2013 8:42 am

    You read my mind #27. Healing prayers to all our injured Warriors. I hope Coach Chow will open up the competition again for the quarterback position or pick one ASAP to get the reps with the first team in practice. I like Woolsey time to step out of the box on this one.

  29. cocobean September 24, 2013 9:53 am

    Ouch. This one really hurts. Julian was a leader and a playmaker. Heal up. Am I the first to say next man up?

  30. Manoa2 September 24, 2013 10:15 am

    Why not interview the Fresno State OC since he was OC when Chow was hired at Utah, then demoted to Running Back Coach– both left at the same time– Schramm to Fresno with a new offense and Chow to Hawaii with a new offense. I hear from friends in Utah that Chow and Schramm disagreed in private over some offensive philosophy but Schramm was very respectful of Chow, the guy who took his job. A little like the Rolo and Chow situation.

  31. Na Koa Mike September 24, 2013 10:24 am

    The 9/23 Na Koa lunch report is up:

  32. Da Punchbowl Kid September 24, 2013 10:26 am

    Healing prayers for Julian Gener. We’ll miss his great play. Glad he’ll be back for a couple more seasons. Quick healing to all Warriors!


  33. Da Punchbowl Kid September 24, 2013 10:30 am

    Rest in Peace to the great Karl Lorch. Prayers for all of his family members.

  34. jimmy the lock September 24, 2013 10:51 am

    Heal up Warriors.

  35. 808bowler September 24, 2013 11:11 am

    heal up warriors.

    any update on the status of Graham? sucks to get injured just when you start play better.

  36. A-House September 24, 2013 11:16 am

    yep, yep, Good Morning Viet Nam!!!!!!!!!!!

    Golden Horses, this is papa. Crank up your engines and move out!

  37. 808bowler September 24, 2013 11:26 am

    just read the update. Graham didn’t pracTice today. Sean and Ikaika took most of the reps.

  38. gobows September 24, 2013 11:27 am


    Not getting your rolo-chow reference. Chow didnt replace rolo. Chow has never worked with rolo, if he did rolo might still be here. Probably same goes for dave aranda.

    Mack and rolo disagreed on offensive philosophy. And that was a big mistake.

  39. UH_Fan_In_SD September 24, 2013 11:27 am

    Why would the Fresno OC come to UH? I love UH, but we got to be realistic Fresno is a much better gig for a coach.

  40. Former UH Athlete September 24, 2013 11:30 am

    28… Graham is the #1 as long as he’s healthy. Where the competition needs to be is for the #2. Chow should elevate Woosley’s status to so he can start getting a few reps and try to displace Schroeder at #2. It would appear that he’s the #4 at this point because Schroeder and Higgins are more experienced, not because of talent.

    I think Chow letting Woosley play mop up duty in Reno might be a sign he’s going to give him a chance. #4s usually never see the field, even in routs.

    The new WRs have great talent, but they still appear to be adjusting to running routes against D1 secondaries… There’s always an adjustment period for the freshmen WRs and RBs as they are accustomed to running circles around high school defenses the year before. Sometimes the adjustment only takes a few games, sometimes it’s 6-8 games, sometimes its a full year. Everybody is different. That’s why so many freshmen (even the 4 & 5 star recruits) get limited playing time on offense at most programs unless the returning talent isn’t that good. Once they get acclimated and the coaches trust them, then the freshmen start playing a bigger role later in the year. That’s the normal progression for talented freshmen.

    UH has talented freshmen, but they are still green. If you look at every above average FB program, you’ll be hard pressed to see more than a couple freshmen on the 2 deep depth charts. UH has 5 freshmen (Wily, Lakalaka, St Juste, Kirkwood, and Kemp) getting regular playing time, plus a few other guys are getting sparse time. UH has a bunch of freshmen playing because they are just better than the returnees, plus they have more upside in the future.

    That’s just my take on freshmen in general.

  41. gobows September 24, 2013 11:31 am

    Theres a chance we may see keelan at qb this week.

    Who would be the #3 qb if graham doesn’t play saturday?

  42. gobows September 24, 2013 11:32 am

    Nevermind about previous post.

  43. Former UH Athlete September 24, 2013 11:32 am

    37.. thanks for update!

    Ikaika probably won’t take the #2 in one week, but he’s getting his shot. That’s all we knucklehead fans can ask for.

  44. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 11:34 am

    There’s no chance Keelan Ewaliko will play this week.


  45. jimmy the lock September 24, 2013 11:39 am

    It’s fun to read opinions and then read what ST posts. Wish we all could have working crystal balls. 😆

  46. primo123 September 24, 2013 11:40 am

    Once these talented freshmen become juniors, we hopefully can be getting talented freshmen coming in……HERE then, the cycle STARTS……depth…..talent…..wins!!!

  47. primo123 September 24, 2013 11:41 am

    forgot the word…..”more” talented freshmen coming in………

  48. cocobean September 24, 2013 11:44 am

    QB’s – take your pick for #3. Schroeder,Higgins or Woosley.

  49. primo123 September 24, 2013 11:44 am

    Woolsey needs to learn the offense better and not ad lib too much.

    Higgins knows the offense better, so that’s his advantage over Woolsey.

    Schroder, last year’s starter, will be the starter against Fresno. IMO.

    I just hope he gets rid of the ball quicker. Dink and dunk. Roll outs. Screens. Then pop the long one once in a while after the DB’s are creeping too close to the line. Keep’m honest.

  50. jimmy the lock September 24, 2013 11:45 am

    “Wonder” if Bruno Mars will consider doing a tune-up halftime show at one of the Warriors home game in preparation for his Superbowl gig?

  51. Jonj September 24, 2013 11:47 am

    FUHA ur talk like you know what ur talking about but you don’t. Reason there are so many freshman starting or in the line up is becuz chow has thrown everyone else to the side to give his recruits PT. How does BRS have a 1000yd season then next year under a new system get 4-500yds then not even make the travel squad. He’s getting the same treatment as DG.

  52. NotNasti September 24, 2013 11:48 am

    44. Thanks ST for clearing it up. Ewaliko is redshirting. End of story. The quarterbacks of the future are Larry Tuileta and Aaron Zwahlen/

  53. primo123 September 24, 2013 11:48 am


    Yes!…..LOCK that in bruddha!

  54. primo123 September 24, 2013 11:50 am


    If you was the head coach….who you gonna play? your recruits? or the former coach’s recruit?

  55. jimmy the lock September 24, 2013 11:52 am

    BRS had a 1,000 yard season?

  56. manoa2 September 24, 2013 11:53 am

    #38– It is a story of two guys who come together at a moment in time then go off on two different career paths as offensive coordinators and challenge each other 2 years later. Rolo interviews with Chow, but goes to Nevada and Chow takes over Hawaii. Schramm is demoted from OC to Chow’s RB coach, then leaves at same time as Chow to go to Fresno for two years and is now back as Fresno OC to challenge Chow– the guy who took his job and became his boss.

  57. dannyp September 24, 2013 11:55 am


    I would play the best players regardless of how they got here…

  58. NotNasti September 24, 2013 11:58 am

    JonJ: BRS was just cleared to play two weeks ago. It might be difficult (but not improbable), for him to crack the lineup at this point. He should be given a chance, but we’re not the coach, and not at practice every day. We also don’t know the circumstances and extent of his injury.

  59. Lowtone123 September 24, 2013 12:03 pm

    Run the 4 wide with Woosley in shotgun and put the big fast guys on the outside and go deep outside and the small shifty guys underneath. Why not? This would make the QB go quick and less pressure on the O line to hold their blocks. Woolsey can extend plays with his feet.

  60. manoa2 September 24, 2013 12:06 pm

    #54– why wouldn’t you play the other guys recruits if they have more game experience.

    If Fresno State did not play Pat Hills pro style recruits in their new spread offense, they would not be where they are today, coming off a 9-4 season season and leading the MWC. Where would Chow be today if he used more of Mack’s Offensive players besides Iosefa– look at the game we played vs Fresno before they fired Mack and Pat Hill– we played Fresno even with guys like Graves, Stutz, Davis, and Gregory having good games. Fresno used the guys who played that game for Fresno, like David Carr, we did not and look where they are and where we are.

  61. Redone September 24, 2013 12:08 pm

    Get well Taylor. We need you.

    So NCAA giving Penn St back some sholies.

  62. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 12:08 pm

    David Graves was at practice today.

    Afterward, Graves and Chow embraced.

  63. Redone September 24, 2013 12:09 pm

    Coach picks qb. That is how it should be.

  64. Redone September 24, 2013 12:10 pm

    Nice of David to show up. Fine young man.

  65. Jonj September 24, 2013 12:10 pm

    I play the best players available to help Hawaii’s team win! I think thats where chows got it wrong he thinks this is his team only. This is why TRevor Davis left. He knew chow would play his guys.

  66. NotNasti September 24, 2013 12:11 pm

    Manoa, IF we had a David Carr on our team, I can guarantee you he would be playing.

  67. Haleakala September 24, 2013 12:12 pm

    Best wishes to a full recovery for Julian Gener.

  68. Jonj September 24, 2013 12:13 pm

    Doesn’t DG have a yr of eligibility left! Suit him up!!

  69. Brian Polian September 24, 2013 12:16 pm

    I started 8 freshman against UH, so I don’t want to hear excuses about UH’s freshman still being green. Rolo kicked Chow’s a**, for the 2nd year in a row.

  70. Former UH Athlete September 24, 2013 12:21 pm

    jonj, BRS had a serious injury. If he’s healthy enough to be more effective than the freshmen, Gant and Harding, he would absolutely be playing. He’s the most seasoned and reliable WR Hawaii has right now.

    Doctors clearing players to play doesn’t mean the player is ready. Have you not seen RG3 this season? He’s been terrible.

  71. Old School Dave September 24, 2013 12:24 pm

    Remember Chris Smith? Center from Mid-Pac and Pac-5 who started as a true freshman in 98. Good sized player at around 6.2 275 lbs. I thought he showed a lots of potential as a freshman and had a bright future at UH. Next season in comes a new head coach and new O-Line coach in Mike Cavanaugh. Smith is relegated to the bench and never sees any action. He and another offensive lineman eventually transfers to a D-I AA school somewhere in Missouri (?). Stuff like this happens at all schools when there’s a coaching change.

  72. Jonj September 24, 2013 12:25 pm

    Ok FUHA I’m sure that’s the case! So much so they even talk about it on te radio BRS being in the doghouse

  73. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 12:25 pm

    40. At some point people cant continue making excuses about freshman playing and just win football games….. The past 3 years I’ve heard the same thing over and over. 3 years ago it was a young offensive line. Today we are still using that same excuse. 3 years ago, we were talking about a young WR corps. Today those young kids appear to be just as good or better than the now juniors so that’s that.

    Nevada played a Freshman QB with no experience and played efficiently… Nevada played a freshman RB. Nevada started 5 soph, 5 juniors, 1 freshman on D. 0 seniors.

    It’s time the UH coaches as a whole prepare Hawaii to win games like this instead of come up with excuses on why we couldn’t. It’s been the same story from USC game in 2012. I’m sure if Lamar was on our schedule, this offense would run pretty efficiently.

  74. Jonj September 24, 2013 12:28 pm

    Remember under JJ and Mack we used only the top 4 and only once in awhile use the back ups. That’s becuz they wanted cohesion between the qb and WRs. It’s not doing the Qb any good to have 5-6 WRs rotate between 2-4 wr positions

  75. Redone September 24, 2013 12:28 pm

    Coach DJ said that a lot of players are suffering from concussions.

  76. SteveM September 24, 2013 12:29 pm


    September 24th, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    Run the 4 wide with Woosley in shotgun and put the big fast guys on the outside and go deep outside and the small shifty guys underneath. Why not? This would make the QB go quick and less pressure on the O line to hold their blocks. Woolsey can extend plays with his feet.

    Lowtone123 — hmmmm, that alignment and strategy sounds vaguely familiar… 😉

  77. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 12:40 pm

    I think we all like Stutzmann. Nice guy, good player.

    But he wasn’t around for training camp and only recently was cleared. It’s not just winning a way back into the rotation; he also has to win his way back in with the other receivers. Maybe Bill Sr. has to invite the freshmen to his house for his famous BBQs. Maybe everybody gathers to watch NFL games on Sundays. He’ll play this week, tho.

  78. d1shima September 24, 2013 12:46 pm

    Didn’t Orson Wells broadcast one of the biggest hoaxes in history on the radio?

  79. d1shima September 24, 2013 12:47 pm

    Love this “Not so fast” commercial for CGD. 😀

  80. d1shima September 24, 2013 12:48 pm

    BBQ’s? Only if the “Duck guy” is invited! 😉

  81. d1shima September 24, 2013 12:49 pm

    Broncos showed how to settle it.


  82. Redone September 24, 2013 12:52 pm

    I doh no. Back in the sixties we had the British Invasion. If Bruno came it would be the Mars Invasion???

  83. d1shima September 24, 2013 12:59 pm

    Lesson of the day:

    Let the pizzas fall where they may.

  84. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 1:00 pm

    Orson Wells did a reading of H.G. Wells’ ‘War of the Worlds’. The 1938 radio broadcast was narrated and directed by Orson Welles. The first two-thirds of the 60-minute broadcast were presented as a news bulletin and led to widespread outrage and panic by certain listeners who had believed the events described in the program were real.

  85. primo123 September 24, 2013 1:01 pm

    I like that….Mars Invades Aloha Stadium……!!!

  86. Redone September 24, 2013 1:02 pm

    Wow A-House getting flashbacks. Vietnam Vietnam late at night while you are sleeping charlie cong comes a creeping all around Vietnam.

  87. primo123 September 24, 2013 1:02 pm

    We all need a……”War of the Worlds” hoax for everyone’s IPAD……..something hip for the times……..

  88. Think2Much September 24, 2013 1:04 pm

    It has been stated that Coach Chow’s system only works with a specific, higher skilled (bigger?) athlete. If this is true, isn’t it ludicrous to believe your system will work if you don’t have the horses? Are the UH athletes that much worse than other teams when many were recruited elsewhere and could be playing with other teams? or is it that Coach Chow doesn’t understand the requirements of his system hence its failure? In terms of win/loss and consistency of play within a system, I believe that coaches make the biggest difference.

  89. bowwar September 24, 2013 1:05 pm

    Everything is fair game being 0-3…However, didn’t we all expect it considering the opponents? Realistically, we’ll probably lose to Fresno as well…I just hope that the fans support the players and maybe, they’ll be in better shape by the San Jose game to earn a “win”…At least, that’s what we hope…

  90. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 1:12 pm

    It’s not one thing. It’s a lot of things. Penalties… illegal formations, O-line breaking down… RBs missing blocks… much of it, coaching issues. How do you fix coaching issues?

  91. primo123 September 24, 2013 1:12 pm

    When Chow came aboard, the cupboards were bare. No ingredients to make his famous entree.

    Yes, he had some pieces, but not enough. The former guy wasn’t a cook.

    Chow needs time to shop for his stuff. When he get’s them, it better be dam good or ELSE!!

  92. primo123 September 24, 2013 1:14 pm


    Answer: Get better players. Build some depth.

    This way, a o-line guy screws up, bench him, put the next guy in that’s just as good as the first guy.

  93. Redone September 24, 2013 1:19 pm

    Let Chow do his thing. Like I said before, you don’t get to pick the next coach. We won’t get anywhere flipping coaches every couple of years.

  94. ai-eee-soos September 24, 2013 1:19 pm

    if you haven’t yet, you can read ST’s “bulletin” …

    Schroeder, Woolsey take most of reps at QB for UH

  95. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 1:20 pm

    91. I disagree. The cupboards were definitely not full, but not bare.

    Trevor Davis was a young promising WR. Blake Muir up and coming LT with a bunch of potential. He and his brother are now at Baylor where things are rolling offensively. David Graves was the supposed to be the future at QB but was never given a fair chance. By that meaning I think we could have drawn up some packages that would allow him to succeed by using his athletic ability. SS was clearly not the answer so as a HC, you owe it to your team to adjust your system that gives you a chance to win. I can honestly say we were competitive versus Fresno and BYU for most of the game with Graves at QB. I Dont think he was the next star or anything. But competitive to say the least. Our D line right now is currently Mack recruits so we can’t say it was bare.Yap, Matagiese, Samia, Woodard, Laurel, Daley are all playing at a high level. Even Jerrol Garcia Williams was a Mack recruit even though he signed with Chow. Eddie Lackey who is a All Big 12 caliber LB would have been a Mack recruit. Hardy Tuliau is a Mack guy.

  96. primo123 September 24, 2013 1:21 pm



  97. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 1:22 pm

    To add on, Chow recruited 3 JC Offensive linemen this past off season who couldn’t initially beat out Mack recruits. Sully ended up transferring.

  98. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 24, 2013 1:23 pm

    chow is actually pulling in some good recruits. the problem is, everyone wants to fire him after a single season.

  99. primo123 September 24, 2013 1:24 pm


    Mack guys are doing good…..on defense…..guess Mack is a defense guy after all.

    why did Mack have chairs on the sidelines for the defense, but not for the offense?

  100. primo123 September 24, 2013 1:26 pm

    So Chow will need to find the right spices for “his” offense.

    Let’m cook!… us what he can do…..

  101. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 1:28 pm

    93. I think what fans on this blog don’t really understand is this blog is what you would call the loyal UH fan base. Everyone here posts on this blog because they are die hard fans who will back the program through the good and the bad… But sadly this blog is the minority…

    College football is a business and the majority of the fans won’t keep showing up if the current football team continues to put out performances like it has been. Majority of the fans aren’t going to put time and money to come out week after week if this continues. Just being real and honest. You see it with Womens Volleyball… People show up because they enjoy watching the Wahine put on great performances week after week. once Dave Shoji leaves, I think there will be a huge drop off in fan base as I don’t think the program will be able to play at the level it has under Dave.

    At the end of the day, the poor results are due to coaching.. Plain and simple.

  102. primo123 September 24, 2013 1:30 pm


    Which coach do you blame for poor performance, when it wasnt the fault of the current coach? Plain and not so simple.

  103. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 1:30 pm

    99. You can blame Mack if you want, but no Mack coached team statistically has come close to being this bad offensively even with the same players who were younger at the time. I do think he left the cupboard bare offensively though. Just saying you gotta make do with what you got on offense in order to succeed. Norm was hired because of what he could do offensively.

  104. boya_jr September 24, 2013 1:31 pm

    Just wanted to let the team know that I can’t wait to watch the next game against Fresno. All I do everyday is think about UH football. I would love to see our team have a break out game and shock the Bulldogs. I knew in Reno in the 1st quarter near our goal line when the Nevada QB fumbled the ball (it looked like a fumble to me from my vantage point) but the ball went right into the RB’s hands that the football gods were against us that day. Back on the Rock, under the blight lights of Aloha Stadium, things can go very right for us. Just play like its your last game. I’m 100% behind the coaching staff and team – I just love the Warriors. I even like watching garbage time to see player development. The season isn’t over yet and the program will continue to attract talented coaches and student-athletes who want to study at UH. Can’t wait for game day!

  105. Redone September 24, 2013 1:32 pm

    Sadly if people don’t give someone a chance they will surely fail.

  106. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 1:33 pm

    102. I blame the Head Coach 100%. Everything falls back on him offensively. It was his idea to hire Aaron Price, and when it didn’t work out, the offensive responsibilities are solely on him.

    It’s his job to put a system which allows his players,(inexperience or not) to succeed. Rolo was faced with a true Freshman QB and RB going into Hawaii game and drew up a fantastic offensive game plan against a pretty solid Hawaii D. You just gotta get it done.. Plain and simple. Nevada didn’t have more talent than Hawaii. No seniors on their starting D.

  107. PokeBowl808 September 24, 2013 1:40 pm

    Somebody mentioned food…

    Chow didn’t open his icebox filled with Palani Ranch filet mignon or ribeye ready to throw on da kiawe charcoal BBQ. All he get was brisket and oxtail. Takes time to cook, but they get the best flavor.

    Kalua pig is best when it’s in the imu all day, not after 15 minutes.

    Damn.. now I’m hungry.

  108. PokeBowl808 September 24, 2013 1:43 pm

    Running to da market is da equivalent to recruiting. Transfers = packaged food and the HS recruits = ingredients for da real homecooking.

  109. SteveM September 24, 2013 1:45 pm

    Hey PokeBowl808 — if you are a new poster and wasn’t a Tsai-ko yet… well, you certainly can call yourself a Tsai-ko now… 😛

    Time for lunch… second round!

  110. Buffoman September 24, 2013 1:46 pm

    “Show me the money!”. If we had it all to burn, maybe these things some folks want (like change the coach) could occur, but what coach in his right mind would want to come here knowing that after a year and 3 games without instant success he could be fired. What recruit would want to come knowing that his coach could be fired in that short a period?

    No more the money, very hard to get rid of coach after 1 season and 3 games. And really, is that the best thing to do?

    Everybody wants to win. Lots of frustration, but big change comes slowly and more so when the resources are very limited (remember our coach makes about 1/2 million and he asked to have any “extra” given to his staff).

    When things not going good people second guess the leader, when things going good people second guess the leader (like how come we not ranked higher, winning NCAA championship, etc..).

    What we have, at this level, are terrific athletes who want to represent the institution and coaches (all coaches) who work with little resources hoping to grab the brass ring.

  111. jimmy the lock September 24, 2013 1:48 pm

    Yep, it’s the coaches fault.

    The Lakers should have hired Phil Jackson instead of Mike D’Antoni. But as they say, water under the bridge, it is what it is, ancient history, let bygones be bygones, snooze you lose…

  112. Manoa2 September 24, 2013 1:52 pm

    Fresno State has been a measuring stick for Chow the last two years. Chow took over at Hawaii as HC and OC same time as Chow’s former Running Backs Coach and former Utah OC before Chow took over at Fresno. Both installed new offensives very different from the old– Chow installed a pro style, the Fresno OC installed the spread and in his first year won 9 games to Chow’s 3 and Fresno’s offense was one of the best in the MWC. Today Fresno comes in undefeated with a win over Boise.

    Look at the last game coached by Pat Hill and Mack– the two teams played almost even– Fresno won by 2 or 3 points. Several players in that game matched up well to Fresno– Graves, Stutz, Davis, Gregory, and Iosefa. Graves passed for 2 TD’s same as Derek Carr. The new Fresno OC used his players, and except for Iosefa, the others never got a shot and Chow continues to jettison these players.

    Besides Chow not using the talent left him, what else caused the huge difference between these two once equal teams?

  113. Marleysdad September 24, 2013 1:53 pm

    Jeezy, you seem to forget the the #1 RB DID play.

  114. Marleysdad September 24, 2013 1:55 pm

    And the #3 QB didn’t have a big impact on the game. Missed tackles & assignments on 2 plays got him the majority of his yards.

  115. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 1:56 pm

    113. RB play was probably the least factor that determined the outcome of the game… So that doesn’t matter a whole lot as far as my point on getting the job done on offense.

  116. cocobean September 24, 2013 1:57 pm

    My take….on the Oline.

    Coach Cav’s favorite line was “trust your f—–g technique.” He’d repeat it over and over again. The O line under Chow is still learning to execute going from the R & S slightly upright crouch stance to the standard 3 point stance. In the R & S the idea was to defend rather than attack. To form a cup for the QB rather than attack the diffrent levels of the D.

    The O line is improved over last year and getting a little better with each game. Coach Naole is trying to instill an agressive attacking mentality while teaching the techniques needed to properly execute any given play run or pass. The choreography is beginning to show on some run plays and a couple of rollout plays. As this unit continues to improve so will our offense.

    I fully expect the O to put up more than one TD against Fresno.

  117. wasabi September 24, 2013 2:16 pm

    95- don’t forget Tyler Gray. …now at Boise

  118. Pokebowl808 September 24, 2013 2:16 pm

    Thanks. Consider the invitation accepted.

    I’ll try to stir the pot once in a while. I see good quality ingredients… These first two years is like building the roux. Now you get to add the stock, cream and marsala and let simmer ( years 2&3). Season to finish (years 4 and beyond) and then you got the best tasting gravy.

  119. nuff already September 24, 2013 2:23 pm

    Tyler Gray was poached by Boise.

    ” just hours before he was to leave home for Hawaii, boise called ….”

  120. jimmy the lock September 24, 2013 2:25 pm

    That gravy takes almost as long as not bad whiskey!

  121. wasabi September 24, 2013 2:36 pm

    He signed as a grayshirt under McMackin. His accepting the boise offer was reportedly affected by the “uncertainty” of the coaching change.

  122. Andrew September 24, 2013 2:41 pm

    #106 jeezy

    You’re right we cannot put all the blame on Coach Mcmackin. At the same time Mack didnt have to install a whole new style of offense and work with players in the beginning who were recruited to play a different style.

  123. primo123 September 24, 2013 2:47 pm


    Exactly what I’m talking about. You compare Rolo’s situation with Chow’s?

    Rolo’s has Ault’s recruits to work with. (How long was Ault at Nevada and was he successful?)

    Chow has Mack’s.

    Apples and Guavas……

  124. fshnpoi September 24, 2013 2:49 pm

    Rest in Aloha KP..

  125. primo123 September 24, 2013 2:49 pm


    Aaron Price’s hire was Chow’s friendship with Pops Mike. Nobody going admit to that. But just think……maybe, maybe…..

  126. primo123 September 24, 2013 2:51 pm

    I dont blame Mack, I dont blame Chow.

    I BLAME Herman Fraizer for not locking up JUNE JONES to a contract when he had a chance.

  127. Da Punchbowl Kid September 24, 2013 2:53 pm

    Good food takes time… we’re all hungry! Hindsight makes a genius out of anyone… we’re all frustrated.

    Nobody’s more frustrated and hungrier than the players or coaches. Meanwhile, let’s promise to have good food, good drinks and watch the Warriors this next game and hope for better.

    Pokebowl – see at one of the tailgates hopefully! 😉


  128. Da Punchbowl Kid September 24, 2013 2:54 pm

    see you* that should read…

  129. kapakahi September 24, 2013 2:55 pm


    Re: Muir brothers…..

  130. kapakahi September 24, 2013 2:58 pm


    BTW, UH was given first crack at Sean and Peni Tagive……but decided to pass.

  131. Marleysdad September 24, 2013 3:13 pm

    Why do we/you care so much about the ones that leave? They left, didn’t want to be here. Screw them & let’s give our support to those that are here.

  132. Whats up September 24, 2013 3:19 pm

    Hawaii can’t afford to buy out Norm Chow and pay for another head coach. Just like McMackin in his 4th year and only 1 year left contract could Hawaii eat 1 year and hire a new coach. Unless, the fire Norm Chow people have $1.65million in there back pockets to buy out Chow contract?

    I still say the fire Chow supporters need to get together and offer to buy out Chow contract. Put your money where you mouth is, if not you are just going to have to wait until year 4, just like with McMackin. I know there are a lot of fire Chow supporters that are all talk and no money. But expect UH to foot the bill and fire Chow prematurely. No can.

    Recruiting is going way better than before and this stupid fire Chow talk will hurt recruiting. Whether Chow turns around the Hawaii Football program that is yet to be seen because its way to early to know. All this negativity about Hawaii Football and crazy talk that is not constructive criticism but non sense complaining. If you only answer is Fire Chow in year 2, you are obviously not thinking realistic about how a rebuilding of anything really works.

    This is not your fantasy Madden football game, these are real players, coaches, volunteers and cold hard cash. And guess what? it takes time to rebuild, train, teach and get funding. This is directed mostly at Independent Thinker but there are a few Fire Chow Supporters that I would to see put there money where there big mouths are at and quit whining like little babies and buy Chow Out.

  133. dannyp September 24, 2013 3:36 pm


    UH had the first shot at current Ohio State punter Cameron Johnson as well…

  134. (Jesse)James September 24, 2013 3:40 pm

    #101 Jeezy….That’s one of the problems with Hawaii fans. Only fans when the team is doing well. Many of the so-called “big time” schools have strong fan support no matter how bad they are doing. I’ve gone to LSU and ND games when they were having really bad seasons…and I mean ND was, I believe at the time, 2 and 8 going into there last home game….and LSU was stinking up the joint with a 4 and 6 record. My family invited me to go along with them to the LSU game and my classmates invited me to the ND game. Both times, the stadium was sold out….and fans were cheering loud and proud as if the teams were playing for a national title.

    That’s not to say that all fans are like that. But Hawaii fans have been notorious for that….Even during the heydays of Coach Tomey and Coach Wags. I can remember having near sellout crowds for games, losing that game, and the next game the stadium would be half full.

    Even Wahine Volleyball which used to regularly sell out the Special Events Arena (aka SSC) has seen a fairly significant drop off. I think the latest numbers show an average of about 7,800 attendance. We’ve even fallen behind Nebraska in attendance numbers for women’s volleyball.

    Not sure how to change that attitude….but just saying… 🙂

  135. Former UH Athlete September 24, 2013 3:50 pm


    But, it’s now coming up on 6 years ago. Frazier got his well deserved walking papers.

  136. cocobean September 24, 2013 3:51 pm

    Woolsey is the sexy choice. Athletic with a big arm. Schroeder is the “safe”choice.” Has the most game experience. Higgins is the “local first choice.” Only local boy among the three.

    If Chow plans to give Woolsey playing time, I hope he “steals” some of Reno’s plays. Woolsey seems to fit Reno’s O better than Chow’s. Use him like Reno uses Fajardo.

  137. kapakahi September 24, 2013 3:59 pm


    It’s not that anyone cares about those who leave…..but was just addressing comments by others saying that the “cupboard was left bare” after Mack left.

    Just saying that…..the cupboard wasn’t bare… Mack should not be blamed. The talent has always been there……and is improving with the more consistent and persistent recruiting efforts.

    However, even with improved talent, the coaching…..especially on the offense in the 2nd half of games…..must also improve too… get winning results.

  138. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:01 pm

    The “problem” with Chow seems to be “hard headedness”.

    The play calling shows this.

    “Flexibility” isnt one of his strong suits.

    His players will play his way, not the other way around.

  139. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 4:03 pm

    122…. In my opinion, that’s still an excuse. Fresno St implemented a new offense and that didn’t take long to take off. Washington changed offenses this past season and results show. UCLA hired Mora and he put in a new offense with a Freshman QB and his offense took off right away. Arizona St and Arizona spread the ball out when new coaches came in and those schools took off right away…

    Its the system. Teams like LSU, Stanford, and Alabama will succeed because they simply have the biggest, strongest, and fastest kids in the country who will go to the NFL.

    We can say David Carr is the reason Fresno’s Air Raid is working but when Carr and Graves were both sophomores, Fresno beat us 24-21 in a game Hawaii could have won. Difference is new coach going to Fresno put in a good system that allowed his athletes to make plays and we put in a system that doesn’t generate anything.

  140. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:04 pm


    The cupboard was left bare, to run Chow’s offense.

    Chow couldn’t cook with what was there.

    Run and Shoot receivers don’t fit. (Too small)

  141. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 4:05 pm

    137. Very well said. To end my comment on a positive note, I do think this current staff is signing better talent. But you still have to do something with talent. Miami Hurricanes for a long time was bringing in a lot of talent under Randy Shannon and that translated into nothing.

  142. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 4:07 pm

    140.. My question… As a coach, do you evolve and come up with something that gives your players a chance to win? Sarkisian sure evolved over last year. Sometimes you need to look in the mirror and realize when change is needed. If you watched UDUB offense last season compared to this year, it’s night and day.

  143. jeezy33 September 24, 2013 4:08 pm

    A coach cannot be stubborn to evolving when something isn’t work even if it worked for him 10 years ago.

  144. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:14 pm


    Let’s HOPE that won’t be the case with THIS coaching staff.

  145. Buffoman September 24, 2013 4:16 pm

    You guys remember the “call and suggest the coach show” when coach Von Appen was here. I believe even the Governor got into it and made a suggestion of a play that coach used. Maybe he should have been more hard headed and done things his way as opposed to pleasing the fan base.

    People got on him because he took suggestions. Now people on coach because he wants to do things his way.

  146. Because It's the Internet September 24, 2013 4:17 pm

    Lot’s of internet armchair coaching experts over here today, I see…

  147. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:20 pm


    Chip Kelly brought to the PAC 12 a new way to run an offense. Other teams in the PAC 12 have to adapt or fall behind.

    Chow even runs a semi-version of a no huddle offense. He’s aware.

    What I think he’s also aware of, and will never pubicly say out loud, is that he doesnt have speed, durability, depth on his offense.

    We hope he can recruit.

  148. boolakanaka September 24, 2013 4:21 pm

    ST forward my aloha to Lei over the death of her half-brother Karl Lorch, who raised hell all the from Kapalama Heights to DC….Me ka aloha pumehana.

  149. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:21 pm


    Experts? hmmm…..thanks eh?

  150. Shoko September 24, 2013 4:22 pm

    Let’s do a Kiffin and play both Schroeder and Woolsey. First half to Schroeder and second half to Woolsey.

  151. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:23 pm


    Didnt Von Appen have 3 offensive coordinators in 3 years?

    And even used his defensive coordinator as his offensive coordinator in the last year?

    All he needed was June Jones’s offense to turn things around.

  152. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:24 pm


    It might happen….be CAREFUL what you wish for.

  153. kapakahi September 24, 2013 4:25 pm

    #137 & #145,

    On his own, Coach has publicly stated…..from last season…..that he would need to adapt his system to suit the talents of the players.

    Maybe Coach’s recipe book still filled with old recipes…..that might need to be enhanced and spiced up… expand and refine his “cooking” style (i.e., system).

    None of the RnS receivers (other than Harding and King) are playing anymore……so can’t blame them.

  154. Shoko September 24, 2013 4:26 pm

    I think if I heard a head coach say that he was listening to fans for coaching advice, I’d probably lose respect for the guy.

  155. Bigislandkurt September 24, 2013 4:28 pm

    There was a time I called for Inoke Funaki. A few years later, I find myself rooting for this no-name scout team guy named Bryant Moniz. And now I find myself intrigued by this kid named Ikaika. He came in with the monicker of “baby Mo,” but soon separated himself from that by making the claim that “I am a passer first.” I love storylines like this. Stay tuned…..


  156. Shoko September 24, 2013 4:28 pm

    151. I think Bobby Hauck had three offensive and three defensive coordinators so far doing his tenure.

  157. kapakahi September 24, 2013 4:29 pm


    BTW while Gant was recruited under the RnS system, he never really grasped it anyway… redshirted his true junior season.

  158. kapakahi September 24, 2013 4:32 pm

    While TK and Demo definitely have their respective defensive and special team units (players and coaches) all on the same page, didn’t expect NC to struggle so much in trying to accomplish the same on the offensive side of the ball.

  159. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 4:33 pm

    I don’t know. I never flet that the the old system needed to be fixed. It just needed new leadership or intervention. Revamping and changing it gave us this result. I don’t recall fans calling for the end of the RnS.

  160. wasabi September 24, 2013 4:35 pm

    If people like FUFA would quit bringing up the cupboard was bare argument people would have nothing to dispute. Be a rahrah for chow based on his own merits and accomplishments and quit Mac bashing already…

  161. Jeezy33 September 24, 2013 4:38 pm

    Primo, chip def brought it to PAC 12. But the offenses still differ a little and you don’t have to be in the PAC 12 to mimmick a few things that are working … We do have the speed on offense to run a spread . St juste, kirkwood, kemp, Haynes are all solid athletes.

  162. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:38 pm


    So true.

    We all expected the “guru” to figure things out and come out with a top notch product.

    Instead we get undercooked and missing ingredients……inedible……the fans are starving!!

  163. kapakahi September 24, 2013 4:38 pm


    Coach himself has stated that….he is “not a RnS guy”.

  164. Hank September 24, 2013 4:40 pm

    Like some others, I’m hoping that Woolsey can show that he has what it takes to start this Saturday. I don’t expect a win, but I believe that his athleticism gives us a better chance against teams down the road. I don’t think we beat the Dogs – but if Woolsey can execute a package for him it can potentially pay dividends this year and next.

    Yep, Coaching him up will be the challenge this week.

  165. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:41 pm


    This is where Chow is hard head.

    He wants his guys to learn to run his stuff. With the thoughts that they’ll be good when they “get it”.

    Patience is a tough virtue when you starving………

  166. Hank September 24, 2013 4:42 pm

    If Diocemy can return, it’ll make our QB a lot better.

  167. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 24, 2013 4:45 pm

    The people commenting on chow’s offense being schematically flawed probably wouldn’t be able to explain why or even answer basic questions like “what exactly does pro style offense means and how does chow’s variation differ from others?” “what is the basic offensive philosophy behind norm chow’s team?” “how is chow incorporating no-huddle and spread elements in it?” “what are some examples of plays (and in x’s and o’s) that shows that his offense is entirely ineffective?” “if the pro style offense variations can only be run effectively by BCS schools with huge recruiting advantages, then why does boise state have so much success?” “What are the specific challenges when changing from a run and shoot offense to a more traditional pro style type of offense, both in terms of learning curve and types of recruits? is it harder to convert to a spread offense from a more pro style attack or vice versa and why?” “what kind of blocking schemes and techniques does the UH o-line use that makes current o-lineman incapable of functioning versus if they ran out of a spread passing or spread rushing attack (according to some here)?”

    these are the questions people seem to think they know the answers to, but really don’t. unless we have access to all the game film (and no, i’m not talking about tivo a UH game and more or less watch where the ball goes and people immediately around it, but soemthing similar to what the coaches use, like nfl all-22 film) and have that degree of coaching expertise, we really have no idea what we’re talking about when we try to get technical about the norm chow offense andn the players or how fresno’s or washinton’s pass heavy spread offense compares to the UH attack.

  168. Bryson September 24, 2013 4:48 pm

    Where’s Allen Sampson?

  169. cocobean September 24, 2013 4:48 pm

    Jeezy. This is Sarkisian’s 5th season. Maybe it’s his payoff year. A team comprised mainly of “his” players.

    All offenses “evolve” to stay ahead of the defenses. I always try to catch SMU and GTech games to see how their offenses have “evolved.” Their principles may have remained the same but they’re run out different formations and motions than what was run here.

    Can’t say if Chow’s O has “evolved” over the last 10 years. But this year’s O is not the same as last year’s. Even though the results are pretty much the same.

  170. kapakahi September 24, 2013 4:52 pm


    Just hoping that Coach knows all the answers!

  171. primo123 September 24, 2013 4:52 pm



  172. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 24, 2013 4:54 pm

    kapakahi: actually, it would be really cool if chow was to write something up or whatever and answer those questions. It would probably do a lot to ease the minds of people here that think he’s this bumbling senile idiot that just goes “durrr… run the football??? what’s a screen pass?”

  173. kapakahi September 24, 2013 4:57 pm


    It’s not so much about the offensive system schemes and techniques.

    It’s about making effective adjustments to counteract the half-time defensive adjustments by opponents.

    For example, TK make necessary adjustment to Nevada’s 3 TE alignment in the 2nd half.

  174. Warrior Dave September 24, 2013 5:09 pm

    #77 ST,

    Based on Bobby Curran’s comments last week, I thought we’ve seen the last of Stutzman? If he’s back in the good graces of coaches and players, good for him and welcome back.

  175. AllG September 24, 2013 5:09 pm

    Still think David Graves was our best QB and Chow dropped the ball big time by not starting him last year. There is no possible way he could have played any worse than Schroder.

  176. lava September 24, 2013 5:14 pm

    The strongest message I believe I can send to AD Jay at the moment is by not going to the UH football games. We are not a football team as long as Chow is coach. I hope you can find better uses for your money than to support what Chow thinks is competitive, entertaining football at the top college level. The sooner Jay sees we aren’t going to support Chow, the sooner Jay finds it within himself to get the program and the department back on track.

  177. oneseason September 24, 2013 5:23 pm

    On a positive note, Coach Chow as OC went from a “dismal” 3 win – 4 loss start to an 8 and 4 record for Utah’s first season in the PAC-12 (8 and 5 with the Sun Bowl) …

    “Utah offensive coordinator Norm Chow has been around long enough to always expect the unexpected. Still, all the obstacles and injuries the Utes’ offense faced in 2011 made Chow’s first season with the Utes one of his most challenging of his career.

    So how did it turn out? How about a grade of sufficient. Brought in to design an offense that relied on a ground game but also play to quarterback Jordan Wynn’s strengths, Chow found himself tweaking, scrapping and redesigning one piece of offense after another.

    Now, as the Utes head into their Sun Bowl game against Georgia Tech, the offense resembles nothing of what Chow had in mind when he was hired in January. Still, what he came up with was good enough to help the Utes win four of their last five games to turn a dismal start into a strong finish.”

  178. Warrior Dave September 24, 2013 5:26 pm

    #165, Thank you!!! Some people don’t get it. If Chows Pro Setcould be learned during the spring and fall, he would run a variation based in the players he has. But it times a long time to learn PS and that’s why we will never see a variation until they get his system down.

    Also, hiring an OC will not change anything since Chow wants to call plays.

  179. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 5:26 pm


    What was Utah’s record the season before that?

  180. Darren September 24, 2013 5:28 pm

    Don’t think it’s a system issue…it seems to be more of an execution issue. Why isn’t the offense able to execute on a consistent basis? Don’t think that it’s a matter of effort…players are definitely going full speed from opening kickoff till final whistle…there’s no doubt about that. To me that shows the players are still buying in and remain committed to the coaches/system.

    Lack of talent? No way…we have the horses to be able to compete, especially with other teams in the Mountain West. There have been flashes of brilliance…that doesn’t happen without having talented players (think FIU against Louisville this past weekend).

    The offensive line can hold up in pass pro for 2.5 to 3 seconds. Receivers have been able to get open downfield. QBs have been able to deliver…receivers have been able to make the catch. Why can’t this happen more consistently?

  181. Buffoman September 24, 2013 5:33 pm

    #176 Right. No football as there is no support. That’s very good. No athletic at UH. we can concentrate on academics.

  182. Old Diver September 24, 2013 5:45 pm


    Chow’s offense at Utah was ranked last in the PAC-12. Utah’s number 1 ranked defense carried the team that year. Two years later with different leadership on offense Utah has the number 1 offense in the PAC-12.

  183. Shoko September 24, 2013 5:46 pm

    179. Utah was 10-3 in 2010.

  184. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 5:46 pm


    Didn’t MRC Greenwood once allude to that? That it didn’t matter to her if there were no athletics at UH? How someone like that ever became a UH president goes beyond my comprehension.

  185. Shoko September 24, 2013 5:48 pm

    I think if UH ever dropped football, HPU and Chaminade should think about fielding a division III team. The Hawaii college football market would be open for the taking.

  186. 3-Prong September 24, 2013 5:48 pm

    St Juste and Lakalaka need to rotate. Can’t keep pounding St Juste up the middle and expecting him to last the season. Soften up the D with Lakalaka. Then make them chase St Juste. Then the passing lanes will open for any of the qbs. (Getting out of the “armchair quarterback” chair now…..hehe. Which qb you ask? Ikaika!

  187. oneseason September 24, 2013 5:51 pm

    @ 179 madeinhawaii,

    10 and 3 … but in MWC … could have compared schedules and opponent records but was not sufficiently motivated 🙂 …

    another question would be the role of the Utes’ head coach in the evolution of the offense

  188. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 5:51 pm

    Thank you, Shoko.

    They were a pretty good team to begin with, although they were MWC at that time, not PAC 12. If I’m not mistaken, the OC for Utah in 2010 was David Schramm, who, coincidently, is the same OC we face this week at Fresno.

  189. Inyoface September 24, 2013 5:56 pm


  190. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 5:58 pm

    David Schramm took a 4-9 Fresno team that barely beat Hawaii 24-21 in 2010 and made them a 9-4 team in his first season as OC. This year he’s on a tear 3-0, having just beat Boise. Hawaii on the other hand was a 6-7 team in 2011. I believe, that under Schramm, Fresno went from a Pro Set to the Spread.

  191. Darren September 24, 2013 5:59 pm

    Ultimately Coach Chow is responsible for the performance of the offense…but other than he and Coach Wiesehan, does the lack of coaching experience for the offensive assistants have an effect on the performance of the offense? We have GAs in coaching positions that are typically compensated in the $100k+ range for the FBS level, and they have been given a LOT of responsibility for this offense. Can’t help but think that a warm body in the offensive coordinator’s position could have only helped…but what’s done is done.

    Didn’t like Jordan Wynn’s body language in his post game interview…it looked like he placed a lot of the offensive woes on his own shoulders. That’s neither fair or deserved. If Coach Chow says that Jordan has the tools to be a good offensive coach, then I gotta believe that…but no matter what, I still think that will take some time. Just gotta be a little patient, and more importantly than anything, keep supporting the coaches and team.

    We had two parents of current players come on the blog last night basically saying that fan support is the greatest need for the team. As fans of the team, I think that’s the least we can do for them right now…

  192. Redone September 24, 2013 5:59 pm

    They caught the goat thief. They should duct tape da bugga.

  193. Shoko September 24, 2013 5:59 pm

    188. Yep, Schramm was the co-OC the year before Chow arrived at Utah. I remember him saying that making the transition from spread to a pro-style offense was more difficult then visa versa. Think he came to that realization when Chow took over and went through the process of changing systems.

    Just a little info about Chow’s 2011 season at Utah, Chow lost his quarterback (Jordan Wynn) pretty early in the season and backup ,John Hays, took over. From there they started to struggle, but seemed to right the ship toward the end.

  194. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 6:09 pm

    Yeah, I made positive comment on how he handled Utah after Jordan Wynn got injured and got Utah into the bowl game. I think though, Utah had better talent all around and more depth. Recruits knew two years prior that Utah was heading to the Pac 12. Hawaii was still WAC till late 2011. It was’t easy to recruit in a dying conference.

  195. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 24, 2013 6:51 pm

    #191 Darren: the only person that makes sense in this blog today.

  196. Derek September 24, 2013 7:04 pm

    To me, sometimes experience is very overrated. A lot of freshmen have done well in their first year, i.e. Marcus Mariota, Johnny Manziel, Kevin Hogan, Brett Hundley, etc. etc. etc.

    Russell Wilson, in his first year in the NFL, is great. It all comes down to ability, poise, and leadership. They make plays, period. Schroeder has more experience than the other guys but to me that doesn’t mean anything to me. The bottom line is the bottom line. Gotta get it done.

  197. Mike808 September 24, 2013 7:04 pm

    Chow need to run more rb screen for St. Juste and lakalaka.

  198. Capitolist/WassupDoc September 24, 2013 7:24 pm


    On Thursday, September 26, at 2 pm, the Board of Regents’ Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics will meet at the Stan Sheriff Center in the `Ewa Hospitality Room. To see the entire Committee’s agenda, go to – click on the agenda in the Next Meetings box at the upper right side of the main page.


    The final agenda item: DISCUSSION OF FACILITIES.

    If you have positions on any – or all – of the six agenda items, be sure to show up to share your thoughts.

  199. oneseason September 24, 2013 7:25 pm

    Interesting NPR article on NFL and NCAA football …

    “The headquarters of the National Football League is chartered as a nonprofit — and treated by the IRS as a nonprofit — due to a few key words that were slipped into a piece of legislation 50 years ago. The individual teams probably pay corporate income taxes, but we don’t know since most of them don’t disclose any figures. Most of them receive public subsidies but don’t disclose anything. The top of the NFL — Roger Goodell, the commissioner — his $30-million-a-year paycheck comes from what looks on paper to be a tax-exempt philanthropy.”

  200. kapakahi September 24, 2013 7:33 pm


    Mariota, Manziel, Hundlley all sat and redshirted their first year…..and started as redshirted frosh in their second year in their respective programs…..whereas while Hogan didn’t play his first year either.

    Difference for UH is that……true frosh are being called upon to play extensively……are already starters. Last season……Clarke, Moleni, Jackson, Philips, Donovan, Fonua, Garcia-Williams, Williams……and now St. Juste, Wily, Kemp, Kirkwood, Tulimasealii, Bowens, Henderson, Packer (this season).

    While talent can sometimes make up for lack of experience, inexperience will usually prevail if margin of talent over an opponent isn’t overwhelming.

    BTW keep in mind that…..Kirkwood is in only his 2nd season of organized football…..and St. Juste in only his 3rd season…..while Bowens never ever played CB before this season.

  201. d1shima September 24, 2013 7:51 pm

    Lack of feasible bus routes would prevent any successful attempt at establishing DIII football in Hawaii.

  202. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 24, 2013 7:54 pm

    not to mention that chaminade and HPU are Division II schools.

  203. el burro sabio September 24, 2013 8:03 pm

    If the cupboards were well-stocked Mack would still be here, so it’s not like Coach Chow was unaware of what was going on. Regardless of what happens, I will support this coach because it’s the right thing to do. If he were your relative, you wouldn’t say “hey my uncle sucks as a coach”, you support them regardless. Maybe next week I’ll have a different uncle, but until then I support this one like he’s family.

  204. Fan September 24, 2013 8:04 pm

    I’m not sure how many times the perspectives about coach Chow’s offense being inept or inadequate or outdated needs to be made. Those who have this opinion have stated it over and over. Your point has been made and the repetition is tedious and boring. In fact it is more boring than the offense. So know you have been heard and offer something new. This team needs support. They are our team and they will play a superior opponent on Saturday night. If you care about this team come out and support them. You don’t have to love the coach or the offense to support the team.

  205. cocobean September 24, 2013 8:16 pm

    #189. I agree.

    I have a feeling this is the game everyone does his job and execute what’s called whether it’s an offensive or defensive play. This is the game where the offense will quit playing defense on itself and eliminate mental errors. FSU’s defense is not a top level BCS defense neither was Reno or OSU.

    This is the game the offense will have the defense’s back and vice versa.

  206. Dino September 24, 2013 8:20 pm

    Raphel Cherry was a mobile QB and thrived in Coach Tomey’s pro-style, 2-back offense. Cherry was not the greatest passer, but made big plays on QB keepers, avoiding the big hits at the same time to stay healthy.

  207. madeinhawaii September 24, 2013 8:26 pm

    There are a number of reasons that Mack was fired. It had little or nothing to do with recruiting. We were in the WAC till the latter part of 2011. Mack and Co. seemed to always pull rabbits out of the hat at the last minute. JuCos or what have you. What did Mack in was his relationship with MRC, possible painkillers and physical health, and more than anything else, the fact that he was making double that of MRC.

    The deal that MRC and the State made with Mack was an embarrassment that they wanted to quickly sweep under the table so they waited with baited breath to usher him out the door. When he didn’t make a bowl on his 4th season he was let go. Think about it, how many coaches who take his team to two bowl games in 4 years get the boot, if not for something more personal? If winning was all that mattered, they could have had Donovan lean on Mack to get Mouse out and have Rolo and Aranda call the shots while Mack be a Head Coach when needed to swing a vote. Mack could have then retired and the ball could have kept on rolling. Mack may not have been the ideal coach but he kept most of the fans onboard during the worst recession since the great depression. That’s not an easy feat in this place called Hawaii.

  208. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 8:35 pm

    Re: Body language.

    1) That’s how Jordan Wynn always looks.

    2) It was really cold and windy, and the interviews were outside. Everybody was a hunchback that night.

  209. Jack Flash September 24, 2013 8:40 pm

    Aloha to the Warrior receivers, aka the “Freak Show.” Your efforts are appreciated, and you are all improving! Please do us a favor though and BLOCK for each other after one of you makes a catch. Thank you, and we will see you at Aloha Stadium this Saturday!

    -Jack Flash and family

  210. Old Diver September 24, 2013 9:06 pm


    Cherry had a fairly decent season during his junior year with June Jones as his quarterback coach.

  211. Old Diver September 24, 2013 9:13 pm


    That was the result of a power play within the UH administration which left a large wound in the athletic department.

  212. Old School Dave September 24, 2013 9:15 pm

    Support the players!! Bottom line is to support the players.

  213. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 9:15 pm

    Raphel Cherry was a very talented quarterback who, unfortunately, ended up with a very tragic life.

  214. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 9:25 pm

    I think in sports, people get better with time.

    Practice is about repetition.

    Nate Ilaoa went through some trying times before he fulfilled the potential we all knew he had.

    Michael Lafaele was an offensive lineman who needed to move to defense to become an all-league player.

    Rolo’s first two games were horrible.

    Ashley Lelie got cut from the team.

    Davone Bess played only because Jason Ferguson got hurt.

    So, sit back and watch the process. And if you don’t like it, don’t waste your time arguing over things you can’t change. Go out and have fun. Play golf. Join a fantasy league where somebody will read your suggestions.

    Hey, I’m there every day, and I’ve got really good suggestions — better than a lot I read here — and I don’t get a vote. That’s life. And you’ll live longer if you don’t get in a tizzy over things.

  215. Moocher September 24, 2013 9:29 pm

    jst finished playing madden football……

    coach, you need to play more 4 wr sets. a combination of over and under routes along with picks and screens always works!

    nevermind listening to all the wannabee coaches who are trying to tell you who to play, what to do, and that you suck. only listen to me coach because i have 20+ years of madden experience and i know football! I have beaten hall of fame teams, pro bowl teams, superbowl teams.

    win or lose i’m a fan and i challenge people simply to say this one line and nothing more….

    I back the bows!!!

  216. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 9:30 pm

    My point is it feels some are gonna get an aneurysm being so mad.

    It’s just not worth it to be that way.

    I do worry about the health of some of you.

    I used to cover football and basketball. I ended up with a heart attack 11 years ago. Sports is supposed to be a stress relief, not inducer.

  217. kev-1 September 24, 2013 9:48 pm

    ST . . . what is lost on many who post on this blog is the spirit of debate. There are some who post opinions purely out of resentment, anger, jealousy, spite, or whatever it is. And then people respond with the same. These arguments get compounded and it becomes all people notice about the blog. It is a shame, because there are people here that enjoy actually discussing and even debating our opinions in a reasonable manner.

    I have at times posted negative opinions but to the best of my knowledge have never been one to harp. I realize that at the end of the day, I love football, especially UH football, and would be extremely disappointed if I didn’t have a place to voice my thoughts and read others.

    Lately, anti coaching staff anger has been a bit too much. Not to mention unreasonable.

  218. oldtimer808 September 24, 2013 9:48 pm

    I just logged in and moocher cracked me up…love the humor and you are on point Mr. Tsai. I always say if it is out of your control don’t worry about it. Worrying about stuff isn’t worth it. I support the student/athletes and any of the coaches putting the time in to make it happen. I find all the wannabe coaches humorous but I know how it is from the coaching side. You really learn to be tolerant and patient and have selective hearing. Go get them Rainbow Warriors just do your best and keep working. You will get better. I think every football coach that has coached at Hawaii heard the same thing coming from fans today. Coach Tomey’s offense wasn’t exciting, Coach Wagner needed to throw more, Coach Jones needed to run more, Coach Mac needed to control the game and on and on. Ok Coach Chow keeping plugging away and no listen to anyone because at the end of the day, you supported your players to get their degree.

  219. cocobean September 24, 2013 9:49 pm

    #198. Discusson of facilites. Build them and they will come….

  220. Old School Dave September 24, 2013 9:53 pm

    Diocemy St. Juste could be another Keith “Junior” Lopati at running back. Lopati burst onto the scene as a freshman and nearly carried the Bows back in 1984 after an 0-4 start until his terrible knee injury against SDSU. Lopati took some 3 years to recover, but did have a productive 5th year as a slotback under Bob Wagner in 1988.

  221. oldtimer808 September 24, 2013 9:57 pm

    If you are a fan than support the team, our players who work so hard. The players will appreciate all the fan support not all the negative comments. Ok good night.

  222. NotNasti September 24, 2013 9:57 pm

    217: ST, patience is a virtue. There aren’t too many virtuous people on this blog.

  223. NotNasti September 24, 2013 9:58 pm

    At least there’s no spam!

  224. Derek September 24, 2013 10:10 pm

    A few examples of true freshman QBs who are flourishing. Baker Mayfield from Texas Tech is a true freshman who is a walk-on and won the starting job. I saw him play against SMU and TCU and he’s very good, very fluid, with a strong arm and quick release.

    Goff at California is a true freshman who has performed very well. He threw for over 400+ yards against Northwestern and several TDs.

  225. Stephen Tsai September 24, 2013 10:17 pm

    Ikaika Woolsey is an interesting example because he’s a freshman who hasn’t played significantly since his senior year in 2010. He grayshirted in 2011 and redshirted last year. He also has been on scout team the first month of this season.

    There aren’t enough snaps to go around.

    I remember JJ’s second year, there were nine quarterbacks in training camp.

    Even Wagner had too many. One year, there was Michael Carter, Ivin Jasper, Rodney Glover, Glenn Freitas, John Hao, Tomas Pimental, the Samoan guy whose name I can’t recall …

  226. Johnny Manziel is a War Criminal September 24, 2013 10:34 pm

    look, i’m sure there are freshmen quarterbacks (true freshmen) that are very talented and get into the right system that suits them and they flourish right out the gates, and that’s fine. but that’s also not the norm. so to be all like “well, being a freshman is no excuse, and lack of experience isn’t an excuse either because johnny manziel threw for 90 tds and rushed for another 20 during his freshman year as a starter” is kind of dumb, because people like manziel and mariota are outliers. most freshmen and other players with limited or no starting experience struggle at all levels (pop warner, high school, college, or pros), and some struggle more or less than others. but let’s not make the argument that “youth is not an excuse because such and such qb, did it.”

    it’s disingenous and kinda silly.

  227. iwonderwhytheyhateme September 24, 2013 10:34 pm


    per Christ Hart. I thought it was pretty funny. Haha.

  228. kev-1 September 24, 2013 10:36 pm

    One thing I liked about watching Woolsey after his INTs was that he looked PISSED!!! Not being mean, but the other QBs had looks of confusion and bewilderment on their faces after their errors. One even flashed a smile (more of a “can you believe it” smile, instead of a happy smile). I see a fire in that kid.

  229. kev-1 September 24, 2013 10:37 pm

    He knew it was garbage time that meant nothing, but he was genuinely trying to leave a mark.

  230. kev-1 September 24, 2013 10:38 pm

    Interesting point ST made earlier about Stutz needing to work his way back in with the receivers. I never really considered it, but to the new guys, they must feel like “who is this guy?”

    Maybe when he hits the field this weekend (I should say IF), he can introduce himself.

  231. wafan September 25, 2013 1:47 am

    Good morning!

  232. mo808 September 25, 2013 4:55 am

    Good Wednesday Hump Day Greetings, Folks!

  233. Maddog50 September 25, 2013 4:56 am

    I just want a win and I do see one in the very near future….I support this team….these coaches and just want to move on to the next one…..if we had executed in the first three games even reasonably well the outcome would have been different…wins? don’t know but right up till the end…like I said before if you want to get out of a hole put the shovel down and quit digging—-Go Warriors!!!!!

  234. mo808 September 25, 2013 5:00 am

    Get well wishes to all our Rainbow Warrior Wounded!

    Gonna sure miss Gener and the question on QB doesn’t help!

    Others will step up!

    Gotta have faith that the corner gets turned this week against the bulldogs!

    Go Bows!

  235. rage777 September 25, 2013 5:08 am

    I think it’s great that we have so many college/professional football coaches on this blog. Since, I am not a football coach, so I will leave all the discussions about what to do to make the football team better to you guys.

    I was thinking we should crowd fund a football stadium. If you donate enough, you get a seat with your name on it.

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