GA opening
There will be a graduate-assistant opening with Jared Vanderbeek’s expected departure.
Vanderbeek completed his second year as a GA for defense. He helped prepare the scout offense that faced the UH defense in practices.
Vanderbeek has pursued full-time coaching positions on the mainland.
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Good luck to Jared on the mainland.
Merry Christmas
Good tidings to all and to all a good day!
Happy Friday to all. So who will be our defensive coach and who will Texas hire?
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Good morning and happy Friday!
Good luck to Vanderbeek. Best wishes to him.
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i hope it aint art briles or jim harbaugh that takes the texas job.
don’t like texas and don’t want harbaugh to leave.
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I’m too lazy to Google. Briles was the Houston coach when the Cougars played in the Hawaii Bowl?
Oh my God!
A lot of whatʻs being written regarding UH football is ignorant and uninformed!
Please, allow me to address a few things:
Recruiting: Under the current regime (Norm Chow era), itʻs the best recruiting effort dating back to 1996. Itʻs not my opinion, but fact! Fred vonAppen and his staff had no respect for the talent here in Hawaii, June Jones was very open, saying he doesnʻt need to recruit because good players they will call him. And Greg McMackin, well, too many senior moments to get anything right. Iʻm not angry he got $1M+ per season, it wasnʻt his fault, idiot UH administrators offered him that money.
Hiring: Many have cried about moving forward and making hires for the two vacancies the program has right now, in fact many have stated “look at Boise State, theyʻve made two quick hires already”….
Um, get a damn clue people, weʻve gone thru this before. Fact is, UH, Norm Chow, Ben Jay, Tom Apple, none of them can pull the trigger until after the required amount of time the jon is legally / public all posted. So harsh comments saying UH, Chow etc, are dragging their feet and acting like thereʻs no rush to move ahead, cʻmon, those comments are very ignorant / uninformed.
I buy season tickets (4), not just for football, but for menʻs basketball, Rainbow Wahine volleyball and baseball. I support University of Hawaii athletics.
Donʻt get me wrong, I am not happy at all about the current state of the Rainbow Warriors football program, nor can I say that Ben Jay has been impressive, but I support the kids, the student-athletes.
I never make my negative comments “personal attacks”, I almost always make them based on acquired facts.
I love reading many of the posts on this blog, I enjoy the banter, enjoy a lot of the passion, enjoy some of the insight, but the ignorant / uninformed, man that really gets under my skin.
You, me, we all have a right to our opinions, Iʻm a firm believer in that, but when the attacks get personal and names are mentioned, being factual is key.
Go Rainbow Warriors!
Aloha all! Continuing on a thought from yesterday, that is, recruiting thru the decades at UH–I posit that it has always been a challenge. Thus, it is not so much the coach and his personality, but rather a systemic problem that is tethered to both our program and location.
Now , certain all fair-minded men would agree that some folks are much more natural and effective in recruiting than others, that I wholly accept. But, just to take on one point, that Gobows made, ( and Gobows e kala mai, this is just a fun exercise, so I extend the greatest respect to your already valid opinion) but, he makes mention that Tomey did not have to compete with the then PAC10 for players–I say, that is not exactly true.
From my era alone, late 70s, and early 80s, the PAC10 recruited not just a couple of players but almost an entire era of what some call the golden age of high school football. My example is as follows: Mark Tuinei (UCLA although he then transferred), Wayne Apuna (Arizona State); John Kamana (USC); Kaulana Park (Stanford); John Haina (CAL); Leroy Lutu (UW); Albert Tufono (UW);Gaylord Kuamoo (USC); David Fonoit (ASU) as a bit of aside, the last two guys I played with in HS, and how a team has three starters on the OL in DIV1, (Gaylord and David were two years starters at tackle for their respective teams) and another 5 of that played on DIV1 squads, and win only 3-4 games is beyond me????!
So, in short, we did lose a fair amount of guys to the PAC10, and I’m just remembering the guys from my specific era.
espn speculated texas was trying to lure briles from baylor.
it’s the old if you can’t beat ’em, take their coach trick.
briles was at houston 02-07, he was also at texas tech with mack 00-02.
10. That’s ridiculous… I don’t care what you say…. If I have 2 car salesman… 1 guy works 12 hours a day and sells 1 car a day, the other works 4 hours a day, and sells 3, I’m taking the guy who can sell 3…..
There may be 1 or 2 guys working their tail off recruiting, but as a whole, not so much….
Don’t know where you get FACT from… Our coaches don’t even know how to use Twitter yet. Maybe a couple use facebook to their advantage… Technology is key in this era and we are still behind the pack when opposing coaches are all on social media reaching out to 1000’s of recruits while our staff is working harder maybe but reaching out to less.
Just heard that Utah has hired former Wyoming head coach Dave Christensen as offensive coordinator. Wonder what happened to the existing co-coordinators (Brian Johnson and Dennis Erickson) that were on staff this past season.
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funny, i remember watching most of those guys in the thursday ilh triple headers as a kid.
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The point is, and itʻs clear as day my friend, the recruiting effort since Chow took over is way better, I mean way better than itʻs been under either McMackin or Junes.
To your point, the end result isnʻt as good. No doubt, thatʻs fact.
Sadly, the roster of players UH has right now, based on straight talent, is a 5-6 win team. The program has under achieved, but thatʻs an entirely different issue from my point.
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johnson to coach qb’s, erickson rb’s
16. Find a QB and team can go bowling…. I guess my point is recruit SMARTER, not harder… The relationship you build after landing a commitment is probably more important than landing the commitment to begin with….
GOOD MORNING HAWAII!
#10 comment is a fair assessment.
I was amused with one sentence: “I never make my negative comments “personal attacks”, I almost always make them based on acquired facts.”
Then #13, I ALL NUHA ALREADY gets “personal attack” with the comment:
“Don’t know where you get FACT from… ”
The lack of civility seems to be missing a lot from TWB
#13 – What is twitter?
#18
Again, sir, my point is, and itʻs clearly stated. Recruiting is better, way better. Talent is better, across the board, top to bottom, it is, but the results are NOT.
Getting better results is the bigger concern, no question, and that can directly be placed on the coaching staff, I would agree with that assessment, however, as far as recruiting goes, itʻs not even close……
Itʻs like instant replay buddy, the facts are to get it right!
17. Ah, thanks. Just read it in the news.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865592766/Utah-football-Utes-name-Wyoming-coach-Dave-Christensen-as-new-offensive-coordinator.html
ST, Art Briles was the Houston HC in 2003 when they played the Warriors in the Hawaii Bowl on December 25, losing to the Warriors in triple OT 48-54 (I googled).
21. Well I still disagree that the talent is better…
QBs- this is the worst set of QBs Hawaii has has going back to 1999… Chow hasn’t brought in 1 QB. Woolsey who leads the competition is a Rolo recruit.
RBs- Again, I don’t remember a less talented back field in a while. Iosefa isn’t even a Chow recruit and he’s all we got.
WR. Our leading WR was Gant. Mack recruit. Stutz was okay but still beat out any of Chows guys.
OL- Who did we bring in? David Griffin, RJ Hollis, Sully Wiefels? How many started? 0. Milovale started from last years class.
DL- All Mack recruits playing. Kennedy the 1 gem. Need depth.
DBs- I don’t see any high caliber DBs yet. Marrell Jackson shows promise but he was hurt most of the season…I like Trayvon Jackson’s upside.
To say were recruiting better, there has to be guys who have done something to prove it. You can throw out the age factor but I still see freshman like Pumphrey for SDSU and Higgins for Colorado St doing big things early on.
Duane Akina’s name is still consistenly being mention in both the Texas A&M and UOkla, camps. I suspect he will be gone in the next week or so.
It’s like saying your NFL team drafted good after the draft… You won’t be able to tell for 3 years…
It’s been 2 years and until any player really steps up and makes all conference at the very least, you can’t say FACT we are recruiting better and there is better talent..
June Jones from 2002 to 2007 average recruiting rating- 85
Greg Mackin from 2008 to 2011 average recruiting rating – 80.5
Norm Chow from 2012 to 2014(verbals) average recruiting rating- 91
For the record.
http://www.scout.com
#10. Your points are very well taken here but I would like to interject one little point. There is indeed a formal process to be followed in hiring coaches and that’s the matter of posting the openings and listing the job descriptions and allowing time for applicants to respond. Then there is the interviewing. Yes this is all true. We all know that. However shouldn’t the coach or AD start their own search for possibilities? They know the job market and not only who are out of work and who are among the endangered species. Lets be slightly be more specific in saying a coach likes the type assistants who fits into his theory (and vice versa). Also, to be realistic, they are not going to snatch away a guy like Dino Babers who is in upward mobility, or Duane Akina who is already established (Texas nothwithstanding). They know what the price ranges are. Here on this blog others have suggested the names of other assistant coaches who were here at one time or another but lets get real, and begin an intelligent search. (Maybe they are doing it already) So no one is dragging his feet. By the way I am not opposed to the idea of Jordan Wynn as an asst Coach. He may be young but a lot of these guys have better rapport with the players and better coaching ideas than the Oldies. Then again does he meet the minimum requirements? These are the ones you may be hearing about in the tomorrows to come. Also, its only for one year at a time. You figgah!
My opinion, best recruiting class since 2007 is Mack’s 2009 class that ranked 62nd by Scout.com. This class included Aaron Brown and Alex Green, both on NFL rosters. Joey Iosefa is also in this class.
With Ben Jay’s proposal to look into closing the upper sections of Aloha Stadium in order to cut costs, how many of you season ticket holders will be required to find new seats? How do you being “forced” to move? I have a few friends who are outraged, to say the least. I gave up my 40 yd. line Red level seats about 8 years ago and now sit on the 20 yd. Orange. I can’t see the plays develop as well before, but love being close to the action, and the fans are much more animated. When Herman Frazier was here, a “friend” was his “friend” and I got comp tickets to the 40 yd. loge next to the visiting dignitaries. That was nice. I remember yelling at the Boise State AD and his wife to stand up during Hawai’i Pono’i . . . but I digress.
30. Solid top heavy class. Tainted because lot of players were ineligible and didn’t make it here. We went through a rough patch in the Mack era of not evaluating O line recruits well.
As far as recruiting is concerned, potential means nothing unless it shows up on the field…I’ve always backed the Warriors and I’ve been a season ticket holder for over 30 years.
That “fact” doesn’t preclude my “frustration” with the athletic program and the current football fortunes. How can we explain an undefeated (regular season) & BCS Bowl team in 2007 with all sports “humming” to where we are now…We can’t blame that on Frazier…
You gotta admit in 6 years, we went from being on the radar to falling completely off. Blame it on football coaches, athletic administration, or school administration, but where we are now is an absolute “screw-up” of major proportions. Somebody(?) needs to show some leadership and get us out of this downward spiral. What ever happened to our Governor and his promise to fix all that is wrong with Manoa???
I’m guilty as well…Yapping about it does NOTHING…We definitely need to see a coherent and intelligent roadmap of how we can change this in a year. (not 2-3 years)
Norm Chow exacerbated the problem when his abrasive personality drove a number of player to quit the program including five Mack recruits which left for other higher ranking division 1 programs.
One of the hardest things I have done was escort Art Briles to the press conference after the fight with Houston after the bowl game won by Hawaii in OT. He was a nice man, but really bothered by the brawl.
jeezy33…
There is better talent on the team, top to bottom, but no results.
Read what I said please, “recruiting effort”!
I agree with you that the results of the process will not be fully judged for maybe another 2 years, but I am happy at least that the “recruiting effort” has been increased leaps and bounds.
QB – I agree, the team does nee a solid QB recruit moving forward. They are working on that, I assure you. I like Woolsey, a lot. Taylor Graham, he has it all, but has yet to translate under the lights.
RB – least talented in a while huh. I have a question, are you kidding me? Iosefa, Lakalaka, Wily, St. Juste, unless youʻve not been watching, I totally disagree. I think the unit is solid as heck Joeyʻs a beast, Lakalaka finished very strong, St. Juste needs more touches, Iʻd love to see on some screen plays, and Wily remember, came out of Fall Camp #1. Unfortunately, he suffered concussion-like symptoms that set him back. Heʻs “Kahuku-Tough”, I like that.
WR – Kirkwood will be awesome. Haynes came on late, Kemp needs to get stronger, Stubblefield out of St. Louis is a damn good get.
OL – Most improved unit on the team, by far. Wouldnʻt have looked as bad early, but when by design the plays that are called require a 3-step-drop for the QB and he doesnʻt throw the ball, they all look bad. John Waa was a great get for UH (no way the previous staff lands him), and Tupai I predict will start (remember he had shoulder surgery to fix an injury he had coming out of high school). And O-Line by the way, a hot topic in UH recruiting efforts moving forward.
DL – Kennedy indeed was an awesome get. DeJon Allen (OL / DL), the kidʻs got skills, heʻs tough, but he needs to get his mind right. Will not be surprised if UH signs 6-8 D-Lineman come signing day. Again, problem being addressed.
DB – Team needs help, also wonʻt be surprised if UH signs 4-6 secondary players on signing day. I saw the Fermine kidʻs tape, I love how he turns his hips and was Defensive Player of the Year in his league.
33. I think you earn the right to yap about it… As fans, the most anyone can really ask is you purchase tickets and support the team by going to games. The PPV fans help too but we need the fans in attendance badly… Not everyone is millionaires and can donate a chunk of cash to the program…
It is very frustrating how we were a top tier mid major and all of a sudden, we are where UNLV, New Mexico, and Utah St used to be. And all our AD and coaches do is make excuses about money, facilities, travel, etc… Like we didn’t have those issues 10 years ago
#33 Bowwar – I agree 100% and feel the “frustration” you write about!
Jeezy33: Dick Tomey in an interview recently indicated that there is a problem with LEADERSHIP in UH athletics. I think Tomey hit the problem right on the head, as it’s unbelievable UH has fallen so far. You’re correct the problems/excuses have been the same (or worse) before, so what has clearly changed is leadership. As much as I didn’t like Frazier, he did seem to have more things “under control” versus Donovan and BJ.
#37 – jeezy33
That, sir, I agree 100%.
Purchase tickets, feel / olive the frustration, and yes, STOP with all the excuses (facilities etc)!!!!!
I really comes across as whining.
The UH football team needs that “swagger” to return from the Jones and even, MAC years…We need a QB who can “lead” the offense and someone to be a “monster” on defense. Ironically, I think Schroeder started to “lead” the offense in the last 3 games and he seemed to be clicking despite his limitations…It’s too bad he didn’t have another year of eligibility, as I really think he could have made a difference next year.
Just as a side note, one of MACK’s biggest downfalls was losing three quality QBs due to injuries/academics in Graunke, Alexander, and the local kid from Leilehua (sorry, forgot his name.) If MAC was able to keep these QBs in the offense, who knows how good we could have been…
#20 kifi
something that goes chirp, peep, or tweet
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What the Governor and the “powers that be” in the State need to realize is that the UH Football team is HAWAII’s TEAM…I think we showed that when in 2007, so many people flew to New Orleans to be at the Sugar Bowl. I’m still reminded of that whenever I see pictures of the stands in that game with all the white t-shirts representing Hawaii. Indeed, despite the game on the field, everyone in the State was PROUD of the fact we were represented by the football team…
You gotta admit, things in Hawaii can suck at times…Work sucks, family sucks, weather suck, economy sucks, government sucks, etc. But, if the UH Football team wins, everything seems to be “pono” and we feel better about things. If we lose, the beer tastes salty, the pupus have no taste, etc…
Lingle “learned” about not supporting UH Football and how much it means to many people in the islands…You would think that Abercrombie would figure this out IF he wants to truly get re-elected as well as any of the Senators. Football is a part of life for many in the islands because we have no professional teams or some sport that we can truly call our own…
39–From what I know from afar, my perception is that there are serious discussions, on upper campus, about the viability of the football program in terms of its solvency. Per my message from a week ago, that outlined the basic structure and business models of the more profitable football programs, UH is probably making internal financial decisions, at least preliminarily, on how football should continue in the next 5-10 years. This either acquiescence of support or non-committal posture, is now exhibiting itself in the form of absent or weak leadership on the issue–but, just my 2 cents.
44. Bowwar: The Guv is a huge UH sports fan, and fan of sports in general. I cannot say, but the Guv and Lt. Guv are working on bringing a big time, BIG TIME sporting event to the islands in the future. The administration and legislature has lost confidence in the athletic department and UH administration. It should be priority #1 for the next UH President to restore that confidence and working relationship with the politicians. Autonomy? What autonomy?
#43
gotta disagree.
what we learned from the sugar bowl was that get choke fair weather, band wagon jumping, i want a free trip fans.
they no come to games, but they like attend the sugar bowl for free. free tickets, free airfare, free hotel, free, free, free. especially politicians and upper campus people.
I find it a bit curious that there hasn’t been a Norm Chow sighting in a while. Ben Jay is popping up all time onTV, radio and in print while Chow has been MIA.
I get the feeling Chow is at the lowest emotional point he’s ever been in his professional career. Firing TK and Tuiotu must have taken a toll on him. Something he seems to avoid talking about. As a life long assistant he can empathize with those two. In his career Chow has been passed over (BYU), pushed aside (USC) and fired (Titans). This is the first time he is the one placing the blame and doing the firing for a teams failure to produce. It doesn’t sit well with him.
Good luck, Jared Vanderbeek!
Congratulations to all of the UH Student-Athletes graduating today!
Happy Aloha Friday to you Tsaikos out there!
46. Gobows: Guilty as charged. Herman hooked me up with 50 yd line seats, directly behind Michael Carter and Rodney Glover. No free trip or hotel, though, and I’m not a fair weather fan by any means. Season ticket holder since 1979. By the way, the Superdome seats are too narrow for ex-football players, especially linemen. We were smack dab in the middle of fb lettermen, and many of them could not squeeze their hips into the narrow seats.
47. Coco: correct me if I’m wrong, but I think his contract was not “renewed” by Neuheisel while at UCLA as well, prompting his move to Utah.
30-Purple–Is Aaron Brown on a current NFL roster? I know he was on the Rams PQ for about a week, but got cut, and I never heard about him again. Always thought if he could be more stout at the point of attack, with his really sweet feet, he could play on sundays…
50. I believe it was a negotiated buyout. His UCLA contract was guaranteed and back-end loaded because he was still being paid from his Tenessee Titans contract.
#11 – boolakanaka,
you should ask kifi about Tomey competing with the Pac-10 for players.
NotNasti — I put in my 2 cents on this yesterday, but I am afraid that Ben Jay may be tugging on twigs that could cause the straw hut to fall down. This one more dangerous than tugging on the “Rainbow–Warrior” name twig last year.
I suppose one must examine the 35+ year history of Aloha stadium and the fans who pay real money for their seats. I do not think I am the only one who has preferences as to where I sit at the stadium–and especially if I am paying for it. Of course, preferences develop after sitting in many different locations at games over the years. This applies to season ticket holders as well as walk-up residents who have been to the stadium more than once.
This “close red-yellow sections” twig is as perilous as turning down a $650K game payday and lamenting a $1 million loss due to decreased football revenue. Another twig. 👿 BJ might save some loose change in stadium maintenance cost, but could lose big at the ticket window. Without the “cheap seats” to sell, the stadium goes emptier–think airline and cruise ship pricing strategy… empty seats in planes, ships, and stadiums bring in NO revenue.
27… seems generous for all 3… but I don’t know the max number possible.
The order of their ranking seems about right.
Good luck to Mr Vanderbeek on his next coaching stop.
Jeezy,
Do you know what Zolte was talking about on the scout forums about supposed “good news coming” thingy? Or was he really just messing with everyone?
54. SteveM: I have the same gut feeling about the proposal. I don’t know if UH would realize sufficient savings to justify lost ticket revenue, unless the they will let walk-ups fill the open “lower bowl” seats at reduced prices. I like the fact that BJ is not just complaining, but actively seeking out solutions. One source of revenue which will be unpopular with the students is to raise the student activity fee, which at $50/semester is under priced, especially since they receive free admission to sporting events. $150/yr would still be underpriced, in my opinion (I have two kids in college, one at UH and one away).
10, RE Hiring: don’t forget the BOR too.
UH Football has never had the power to get any quick decisions on hiring from the higher ups. Heck, JJ couldn’t get UH to spend a few thousand on facility upgrades over the course of several years.
I’m finding Ben Jay to be no more than a “talking head”…Where’s his three year plan and roadmap to success? Who’s buying-in?
Governor needs to get over the problems with UH Administration and start taking an active role in being a “change agent”.
I guess this is all wishful thinking…
Vanderbeek is a very smart man, or he must have very good advisors. Good for you, Vanderbeek! Smart move. Thank you for your service to Hawaii. All the best in your coaching career.
I have been a season ticket holder since the termite palace and have had the same seats at Aloha Stadium in the yellow section on the 48 yard line. Many in my section are in the same boat as we renew our friendship every year through thick and thin. Our seats are the best in the house as far as I’m concerned. I’m not sure what sections in the yellow they plan to close or if it is all of it. Since I don’t think that there are better seats in the house, an offer of seats elsewhere would not be favorably considered. I believe you would lose a lot of people like me who would just say to heck with it and watch it on TV.
Mattyboy…surprised that you fell for that b
Lessons learned from the chow era:
– never, ever, hire a career assistant coach to be HC
– never, ever, hire an assistant coach who has been an assistant for more than 8 – 10 years
– never, ever, hire a HC who is past his prime
– never, ever, write a contract for five years
– do not ever accept as a HC someone who says it will take 3 years from the date you hire me before you will see a winning season
– always have an exit strategy where the UH is not holding the bag to the tune of anything over $1 mill
– hire someone 40s – 50s, with room and time to grow into the position, especially if he is producing a good product
– hire someone with verve, stamina, and a can do attitude
– hire someone who will commit to producing a winning record his very first season, without excuses
– hire someone who already has a solid record for success as a HC, even if only at the high school level (with some college level coaching experience, of course)
– hire someone who is willing to resign after two seasons, without cost to the UH, if he cannot produce a winning record
– write the MQs to allow for any coach who fits the above to be the HC for Hawaii
Rich Miano, knows defensive football. loves Hawaii, does not need a lot of money, offer him. Or Chow can just blow it again.
Lessons learned from the Chow era:
– never, ever, trust fair-weather fans
– never, ever, believe fair-weather fans
56. No clue what he is talking about…
BJ needs to get out of the air conditioned press box and sit in the orange section for four hours on a hot afternoon or in the pouring rain. Then he might understand why people like my friends who have season tickets in the yellow on the 40 and don’t want to move.
I can see closing the yellow end zone and the corners of the orange (at the SDSU stadium they had plastic covers on sections and opened them up as they sold more tickets).
so many problems…
let’s go D2 and televise games from mililani high school already. everybody happy then right?
Food for thought: bring mcmackin back as our DC… his attacking style of defense was always good wherever he went…including when he first arrived here.
one thing, we move to slow in Hawaii. we not used to a spit second change…i guess in fairness no one is.
this team and D1 football will be gone by the time the 808 learns that if the same effort put into complaining were put into doing something, maybe real and better solutions can be had.
i do think that BJ is good. change is not easy. although i think there needs to be some sort of resolve for season ticket holders affected and you must take into account the friendships that were built ad maintained within those seating areas for season ticket holders.
maybe the people affected can first start by saying create a wish list of what would appease you with this inconvenience.
#61. Thank you Candy for your comments. This is what I thought a lot of fans would be thinking about. Shut Down the upper sections and there would be more fans saying “Why the hell don’t we just stay home and watch the game on TV?” BJ and company have turned out to be a bunch of kill joys.
When BJ said that Chow can stay as long as he wants to, I felt some bad vibes coming out of that. I know he doesn’t have the money to make any change there but his expressed attitude seemed to say “so what if we have a loser?”. Also this guy wants more money for a grandiose athletic program but has not disclosed how he intends to raise the monies for that. In my wildest dreams I envisioned more “body bag ” games but it is apparently too late for that. Those things are for the future. I don’t blame him for everything because in taking the job he walked into a hornet’s nest.
Have these yellow section season ticket holders ever sit at the top of blue?? Same thing, no rain no sun! I get the want to be with your fellow other season ticket holders. So ask bj to find away so all of you can sit together. Stop complaining. Were trying to save a dying program! You have to have some flexibility. I like that he’s trying to think out of the box. Trying to save us from the sure death of chow. I bet he wants to fire chow but just can’t.
willieboy
hehe, i liked macs D also…
the thing is, the GOOD thing is, chow had nothing to do with firing mac…therefore chow can tell mac hey, i had nothing to do with it.
i heard chow is in tibet with dalai lama high on a mountain in the clouds going over plays and resolving his mental state into one of football purity and human capital management and enlightenment.
dalai lama told chow “football has two pointy ends, one end players and coaches, the other end UH and admin. stuffed between two pointy ends are fans. you lose and it takes air out of football, football is flat, fans, money, players, coaches, all flat, deflated…if you win, the two ends of players-coaches and admin are sharp and hardened, and fans and money will inflate the football keeping it and life the perfect shape.”
Re: Ben Dew…find it interesting that UH put in the time and effort to produce a highlight video for him. Seems to confirm what Stephen noted in the last post from yesterday’s blog entry. Best wishes to him if he so chooses to pursue other opportunities…seems like a true student-athlete (3.6 GPA…wow). Thanks for being a Warrior!
I have a great idea to buy out chow or force out/retire. Have Ben jay start a telethon on tv asking for donations to buy out chow. Even if we don’t make the money chow will get the point and might retire. Ik its kind of low… But what’s lower than losing D1 football??
Wow the crazies are out in force today
63 – you clearly have no concept of reality. While I will not contest your opinion of chow, because you are certainly entitled to that much, you are very clearly demonstrating your lack of knowledge and experience in the business of college football. Please allow those who do have the experience to make the decisions. You need not be so presumptuous as to believe you have all the answers, otherwise you would surely be the AD, would you not?
#63- Based on your criteria, the number of applicants for the next UH football head coach is….zero.
I do not like the idea of shutting down all of the yellow and red. I think the visitors red and yellow and the end zone would please most people.
Now to the $99 season ticket holders complaining, I am sorry but 1000 of you complaing abot your seats is peanuts when the people in my section pay $10,000 for 10 seats.
We appreciate you coming to the games but even most of the General admission pays more than you. COmpromise would be to double the costs of all seats between the 20 yrd lines in the red and yellow and then see how many people would want to stay, we are in debt and something has to be done.
We could have palyed Colorado( to scared) could have gotten an new HC and increased season tickets to cover the buyout ( Too loyal to the wrong person) so we gotta go after the die hards that come to the games no matter what.
“Now to the $99 season ticket holders complaining, I am sorry but 1000 of you complaing abot your seats is peanuts when the people in my section pay $10,000 for 10 seats.”
“, we are in debt and something has to be done.”
All I can afford is peanuts, so people that can afford $1000 a seat should step up and pay more. lol You people should be the athletic director so UH wouldn’t have financial problems.
Anyway, Happy Holidays everyone!
Stupid is…as stupid was…omg..does mr. jay think.. that dodger park, yankee stadiun, or ne other baseball stadium.. just fills up automatically for every game..cheeze…get a life here…instead of being so damm negative n closing sections to save kala…why don’t sumone..ne one think.. how in hell can we fill it up..said this before.. n say it again.. mr. jay cant do it..he not have the time..n maybe not the smarts also…
The web site for uh sports is not doing it.. do they read.. can they or mr. jay tell ME OR ST…. how many hits their web site generates a day…how many just trash it before opening..how many navigates the page..how long do they stay there…like the song says…”the answer my friens..is written in the wind”…get sum answers n see where you are going wrong n correct..get a marketing manager…get a promotion minded person there.. with vision..
There is no reason that the les murakami stadium…stan sheriff center..cant be filled for their respective sports… men n women..those are small venues.. i will admit..aloha stadium will take a lot of hard , foot work.. but it can be done..with sumone promotion minded in charge..n not small dinky single promotions..
IMUA…
I miss seeing Hawaii in a bowl game for the holidays with the family.
I don’t think hiring a oldie but goodie to fill the vacant DC position is a good idea. Being a mid level mid major I’d prefer a 30 something guy with 5-10 years experience who is eager to make his bones. A position coach from a DI school who is involved with game planning or a DC from a DII school.
Offenses keep evolving. We seem to be in an era of the hurry up spread offenses. We’re seeing less snaps from under center and less two RB formations. We’re seeing more snaps taken from the gun with 3 wides, 4 wides and empty sets. Run/Option teams are re4placing the FB with a 2nd TE or have the QB as the 2nd runner.
I rather have a younger guy who came in when the offenses started to evolve than an older guy who made his rep stopping the WC or more tradional run first offenses.
+1 cocobean’
82 JJ couldn’t fill the stadium up during 2007 besides the last 2 games. whatelse would u recommend?? ive always thought that holding a concert of some sort before the game would bring the young folks out.
#74
he set to grad in 3 yrs.
his transfer won’t hurt the apr.
baylor is a nice school, and it aint byu.
#72 jonj
where is your seats?
Charge more money for seats that are becoming lower and lower in demand? Doesn’t that go against some type of economic principle or something like that?
RE #89
Darren — but when you offer 50% off promotions, it looks more attractive…. 🙄
Hmmm, now I’m beginning to wonder if all the “close red-yellow” due to expenses is just a gambit to raise ticket prices? 😕 Nah, that would be tugging at another twig in the AD grass shack…
JONJ… man u got the hammer n hit the nail on the head…you cant fill aloha stadium with fans that bleed “green…the past proves that…just not big enough market 4 sports fans..you need2 convert fans.. we do have the base to pull from..sumone in here once posted… he was not a football fan.. but went to the termite palace to see a “chariot race.. at the game..n now he is a football fan…you cannot use just one promo.. has to be several.. n think big…my suggestion n has always been….
JONJ…. get sumone that knows prom n marketing…cuz the fan will ask…what’s in it for me…n right now.. NOTHING.. a losing record.. high ticket prices.outrageous food n beer prices.. restrooms with very long lines 4 women…parking..2 name just a few negatives…problem is..no one cares or addresses these problems… n zero on the positive side…a good promo man or woman can change that…go look 4 one.. there must be hundreds there in honolulu..problem again..UH does not have one…that really knows how to….their web site sucks…with dinky promos we have seen over n over…old hack stuff..that collects dust in fans mind…is all it is good for…zero creativity…out of UH sports dept…
IMUA
Gobows I don’t have season tickets. I just go to every game. Never had money to be able to fork out cash like that. Maybe in the next year or so I can, since ive finally started my own biz and making fairly good money now. But ive taking a liking to the blue right next to the Stairs. the platform ontop the stairs is really nice and hollow. When I stomp it creates a huge boom! If every platform had one guy like me on stomping away. Stadium would be crazy loud!
#92
season tickets are almost half price, something like 40% off face value.
When I first bought football season tickets, we used to get 1 free in other words, pay for 7 games, get 8 games. Maybe they should look into that. Then they could offer discount tickets like they did at the end of this year and the season ticket holders wouldn’t feel so ripped off. The discounts for game day tickets are not guaranteed to happen again so it would make sense to buy season tickets and get a bargain.
#93 gobows~ I’m sorry as I really don’t know the price of season tickets. The last time I bought season tickets was a long time ago. I know we paid face value for the tickets. I guess just having the convenience of having seats where you wanted was the perk.
Season tickets can be had for as little as $75 for upper level behind the scoreboard. And sice the stadium never sells out, go sit wherever you like.
Cost season tickets is not an excuse.
But I digress, there are other issues
Howzit, Gang!
Another busy day just about pau! Whew! So glad that school is pau for this calendar year… aside from those vacation-time study packets each of the kids brought home.
Glad I’m not an expert on the matters being discussed today! I just like following UH athletics; supporting when my finances allow. Can’t wait to see/hear who we bring on as defensive coaches.
I think all my gift shopping is done too. Might have to sneak in to grab some small-kine groceries, but at least nothing major. Hate the gridlock…
Be safe out there, everyone!
So tomorrow’s a bad day to start Xmas shopping?
Did the GA graduate with a masters degree?
Ben Jay needs to work hard to fill Aloha Stadium. Don’t take the easy way out and make us look like the Oakland Coliseum. $10.00 seats up in the yellow is better than covering it up.
Dear Ben Jay,
Please don’t listen to these idiots.
It is true in the best of times Aloha will never sell-out.
I suggest you run a campaign this year, something like “Fill the orange and blue, or we go to D2”
Make prices reasonable to fill the orange and blue. and if hawaii people do not respond, then you have your answer, no more D1 anymore if people do not come out.
win or lose, like chow or not, it’s now up to each person to decide what matters more to them. For me, i know to expect down seasons, i know to expect chow to possibly have down years 1 and 2, but i do expect improvement in year 3, great improvement. but what matters most to me is that we maintain and build a legit D1 team and program, facilities and so forth. what matters most to me is that we have a D1 football team.
therefore, never mind wins or losses, like chow or not like chow…because the writings on the wall, “fill the orange and blue, or we go to D2.”
idiots in a sense that chow is here for year 3 and some people still want him out now…too myopic to see that there are bigger things to address then chow
The goal should be 35,000 average attendance…not maximum. Nothing screams mid-major more than a half empty stadium. You’ve got some serious hard core fans here who will always show up…no matter who the coach, or what the outcome. Figure out how to get more of those.
The question is: Do you want Division 1 Athletics at the University of Hawaii? If the answer is yes, well fellow sports fans, Division 1 sports cost money. I am always amazed that I can buy a season ticket for football for only $99. Ben, raise the ticket prices! Raise the PPV too. Share the pain and raise the student fees also. Did you know that raising the Student activity fee from $100 a year to $200 a year it would raise an additional $2,000,000 and we would be in the black! Add in funds for all the other increases and we now have a program that can do something. More money, better coaches, cooler uniforms, better facilities, better recruits, more wins……..and soap too!!! hehe
By the way, I pay for season tickets, I pay for premium parking, I buy the PPV package for my 82 year old father in law so we can watch the away games together too so my proposal would add to my costs on multiple fronts.
My theory is that people will find a way to pay the extra money when we have a winning program. Let’s Go Bows.
Back to regular program…….
Raise the student fees! Haha
Programming…….hehe
Don’t drink and text.
you cant say this is best recruiting yet, proof is in pudding, look what happened to touted Graham, poof!no show when the lights are on, before you say best class yet, you need to see how they perform on the field ,then only then brag up or shuddup
101 102 Moocher: I don’t think you understand why all these comments (mostly negative to say the least). Look at it this way: we have played “lesser” team like Eastern Illinois, Webber State, Sacramento State, Arkansas State, Charleston Southern, Appalachian State, Portland State, Lamarr and others I cannot mention. These others made a game of it and played respectable football even it they were playing “over their heads” so to speak. What we have seen of our team during the last two years is pathetic. We hated it in the Von Appen years and we are seeing it again. Its downright shameful football. Our team can’t play up to our D1 opponents like these “lesser teams play up to our team. This causes a lot of frustration and embarrassment among our fans. Yes our fans you notice on these blogs. They care and demand better. Winning we love but even if we lose we don’t like to see our team go down inept and stupid! So the criticisms you see here are from faithful fans who care. If you don’t understand this get off and stay off this blog..
Best is to yet to come! Support the coaches and team.
It’s a process and takes time to get it going and going
and going.Im willing to give Ben Jay and Chow more time.
#109 – Other than Lamar and perhaps South Alabama I don’t know what DII teams you are referring to within the past two years…So I don’t know where you’re getting that information, unless those are teams we played in the Von Appen era? In which case they have no bearing here. As far as the last two years are concerned, in the 11 losses this year the average deficit was 13 points. In 2012 in our 9 losses the average deficit was…31 points. I think you’ve seen marked improvement, even if we have lost more games.
The majority of DI football coaches are given 5 year contracts because that is how long it REALISTICALLY takes to turn a program around, if not more. I can site. We are not Texas, or Michigan, or Alabama, hell, we’re not Iowa or Kansas or even UCF when it comes to football budget. So you folks who literally CANNOT stop complaining should take a moment and evaluate what truly is going on. Whether you like Chow as a person or not, that’s your business, but anyone who TRULY understands football can plainly see that his recruiting classes have been FAR better than Mac’s and even better than most of JJ’s. You also need to realize that development of these players takes TIME.
Relevant Examples:
The UConn Huskies (whose football budget isn’t even $20mil) didn’t have a winning season until the 5th year under Randy Edsel, now they are a legitimate mid major school who just signed a fantastic new coach, Bob Diaco (who mentored Manti at Notre Dame).
Another example, UCF whose total athletics budget is only $2mil more than our football teams (Roughly $36mil). The first year after they hired coach George O’Leary they went 0-11. George just took that team to an 11-1 season and a bid in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl. Also of note is UCF went 11-3 in 2010 then beat U of Georgia in the Liberty Bowl which was George’s 7th year as HC.
What I’m saying is that these things take time, and if you cannot understand that at least stop complaining about things which you cannot change. Try cheering on the kids who play their f’n hearts out every Saturday for us UH fans. Go Warriors.
Leahi2
your reasons are pointless….if so true, then tell me why fans like me and others have no real bad or harsh words because we care too. the difference is that fans like me know 3 years is a decent measuring stick, so we give that, without complaining and bickering like you and others like you.
i want better, but i also know complaining is stupid, and unlike you, i know that win or lose, if people don’t show up or support the team, there will be no D1 team to cry and complain about or its coach. keep crying, cry as loud as you want, chow is here for year 3. so wipe your tears, grab yourself a new diaper, and maybe you can eat at the big boy table.
last i checked this not your blog so pfffffffffffffffffffft up your nose with a rubber hose buddy
i agree, it takes time. some coaches get it going faster then others, but that’s part of the deal. this team is no where near what the VA teams were. this team has been competitive and almost all of us said we just want the team to compete, and they did.
and because they compete, hey, the wins will come, i’m confident with that. the more people complain and gripe and moan and cry the more they erode what many of us can see is taking shape on a sold foundation where once the wins come this program will roll and roll on a consistent level like we have never seen before.
we are at a crossroads, the more ben jay and apple see the crybabies and whiners and complainers,, the easier it will be for them to say D2 if at all, why is this so hard to see. why is it hard to say hey, season over, whew need improvement, and move on and go forward instead of clenching so violently on to last season, comparing to jj and VA seasons…move on and realize the way college football is today if you got your head stuck in the past, there will be no future.
i give chow and the boys credit. they never quit and the offense this year was much better then the first year. we were competitive, and being competitive will bring wins…
stick together, don’t offer a reason to drop to D2, look forward to next season…why so hard
Donavon was right when he did not back the hiring of chow because of the type of offense he was using and would take to long to implement or might not work at all. Chow was making the same mistakes as Mcmakin by hiring young inexperienced coaches where june jone had a lot of connections and hired an experienced defensive coordinator for little pay a good offensive line coach and he ran the offense. hopefully chow learned from this because he will be starting all over again with a new offensive an defensive coordinator. chow does a great job of recruiting but he has the control of who to hire and what positions to recruit . Kaumeyer was defendeing in the nfl where schemes where more important than talent and also having to adjust to different types of offenses which would take time. chow needs to hire a defensive coach familiar with the mac type of offenses also an offensive coordinator who can run an offense with the current players
3 prong you entirely correct with the student activity fee. If one were to survey these fees across the nation, one would find that the math just does not add up for UH. In short, from a rather low fee of about $145 annually at Ohio State, (but then offset by a 45,000plus undergrad population), typically these fees are stacked around the 200-300$ range. In some ways, both the student body and some segments of the state have been lulled into a false sense that we can deliver premium products, and string-shoe budgets. At present, we now face the consequences of finances that are not entirely lucid.
3 Prong…oh, if its any consolation, WISC-Whitewater, one the D3 national championship. So, in reflection, the cats probably would have fared very well in the national championship game.
Morning all… It’s BOWL SEASON!
It totally snuck up on me, but there’re some quality games today. WSU vs Colorado St and USC vs Fresno St are really good matchups.
WSU v CSU looks like an easy over 67pt total. WSU can’t stop the run and CSU can’t stop the pass. WSU doesn’t run the ball and CSU has a strong run game. Should be fun
USC v Fresno is intriguing. Usually, USC would have major motivation problems entering non-BCS or Rose Bowl games. Maybe the players will be fired up to help earn/keep starting jobs next year for Sark (who’s not coaching yet). Or, it could be a major cluster f— since the outgoing seniors don’t care and the coaching circus will have a bad effect.
Other than QB, USC is WAY more talented than Fresno up and down the roster. I’m thinking there should be a lot of points in this game. Fresno can’t stop anybody, and Carr and Co. should be able to put up points.
USC does have good speed on defense, so if as long as the 1st defender makes the tackle on the horizontal passes, USC can limit Fresno’s production. But that’s a big IF because Kiffen was notorious for soft, non-tackling practices in training camp.
Well I believe the coaches job posting is closed so let’s see who applied and who Chow picks. I bet it’s another young guy who can work for cheap and be a ‘yes’ man. What’s really needed is a seasoned guy who can tell Chow to go where the sun don’t shine every once in awhile. Matter of fact everyone needs someone like bar in there life.
#100:
that may never happen – when the Tsaikos met with Ben Jay, he promptly shot down my suggestion that some sections of the “yellow” level be sold for $15 or $10/game.
he also shot down A-Joes suggestion of using “volunteers” at Aloha Stadium to reduce cost – this had the same fate as my suggestion even after he proudly boasted about the success at Ohio State and its volunteers
but, if it comes to pass, I would be very happy as more fans can see the game – perhaps a deal can be brokered with the Stadium Authority with the lower ticket prices for a % of food/beverage sales
Boo: Have to ask the players and coaches themselves if having the eventual National Champs down 17-0 in the first quarter before losing in the end is any consolation. Have to be impressed with WWW’s history of success though.
perhaps Ben Jay can place more emphasis of not going after the “mega” donors and spend more effort on the smaller donors
btw, whatever happened with the meeting of selected business individuals, 25 I believe, to increase their contribution to UH athletics? best I know, only 2 took the “pitch” and their pledge/contribution was in the $125,000 range
my good friend’s wife is a major donor, in the area of $15,000 to $20,000 cash each year – mostly to women’s sports – her mantra is, don’t call me for contribution, I will give what I want each year – teams that benefit her $$$, the coaches and players call her to thank her and invite her to functions
UHAA made the mistake of calling her one year for $$$ and she promptly cut off any donation – after 5 years, she has gone back to donating to UHAA
perhaps, Ben Jay can make this same pitch to all of Hawaii – small, medium or large – how he pitches the ball will determine what UHAD will receive – as Tom Mui and others have posted before, $100 donation by 1,000 individuals =s $100,000 – and for havens sake, publically thank those who have donated – ask tv stations for a free public service announcement ( 15-30 seconds at most ) – “Hi or hello, my name is Ben Jay, Athletic Director at UH-Manoa. On behalf of all the players and coaches, thank you for your cash donations to support UH athletics. We are proud to represent the Sate of Hawaii.”
Nothing happens overnight. Sucks Schroeder isn’t back but we’ll see who can will show up once the lights are turned on.
Whoa… crazy start to WSU vs CSU… Wazzu leading 14-0 and each team has turned the ball over and only 3:43 of game time elapsed.
#20 Kifi… What is twitter?…me thinks it’s when you clasp your hands together, overlap the thumbs and….roll it over each other….twitter your thumbs?…
anyhoo, Guud morning TWB….nice sunshiney rainy day…watch da beeg waves and no get caught…
quality of chow’s recruits will be evident in the next couple of years..
LOL… you know it’s bowl season when you’re going for 4th down on your own 33 in the 1st quarter.
CSU TD… now 14-7 with 7:02 remaining in 1st quarter
Congratulations and good luck to all the Rainbow Warriors who are graduating today.
Jeez… It’s like watching UH vs Wyoming all over again….
21-7 WSU… 5:27 left in 1st Q.
May not be any more punts the rest of the game. CSU had one blocked, and then went for it on their 2nd 4th down. WSU looks like they will score on every drive.
having tuition paid for, playing a sport that you love, getting a degree…..That’s what it’s all about!…..IMUA WARRIORS!
LOL… CSU back in the red zone…