Day after

• The team changed its travel schedule this year. In the past, after games, the Warriors would travel to Oakland, check into an airport-area hotel, then depart for Honolulu Sunday morning. Now after games, the Warriors go to Las Vegas, then depart on the 2 a.m. flight to Honolulu. They get home at 5 a.m. Sunday.

• Rodney Bradley had successful surgery on his broken left leg. A rod was inserted into the injured area.

• Joe Avery will be Bradley’s successor. The Warriors are unlikely to move slotback Greg Salas back to wideout.

• I can’t remember a year when there have been so many season-ending situations to key players: Brashton Satele, Malcolm Lane, Brysen Ginlack, Greg Alexander and Bradley.

• It’s interesting that there’s been no talk about right tackle Laupepa Letuli’s expected return. Letuli is the only player in which UH has not posted a specific injury report.

• Expect the Warriors to simplify the defensive schemes.

• Congrats again to Stretch and Esme for reaching their goals.



  1. duffer October 18, 2009 5:44 am

    Way to go Esme!

    Stretch, you looking GOOD!

  2. d1島 October 18, 2009 5:44 am


    Best wishes to Rodney Bradley.

  3. d1島 October 18, 2009 5:45 am


    You still get ’em….beat me, you buggah! 😆

  4. Committed Road Warrior October 18, 2009 5:46 am

    Top 5.

    How long will it take for Stretch to grow back all that hair?

  5. d1島 October 18, 2009 5:47 am

    (repost from the last blog entry)

    Great Morning All!

    I’m sure wafan will concur that the sun has, in fact, arisen once again here in the PNW.

    Off for a day trip to the coast. Have a terrific day erryboddy!

    Keep in mind that even the best second-guessing is still only guessing….

  6. 808ike October 18, 2009 5:50 am

    Top 10.

  7. Maverick October 18, 2009 5:52 am

    Hoping Rodneys injury wasn’t a compound break.
    Prayers to a healthy recovery. Life of Football, the downside of this sport.

    Moniz looked good. I like it. Mechanics are in place for constant improvement.
    Receivers needs to play overtime with Juggs this week. ( no pun intended)

    Bring on Boise!

  8. midnight October 18, 2009 5:57 am

    D1, If your trip is a business trip, don’t work too hard. If a pleasure jaunt can be incorportated, good luck. 60 degrees and sunny in Arlington, TX – 11am.

  9. Kekoa (iPhone) October 18, 2009 5:59 am

    Good Sunday morning all! What a hectic day it was! Stretch actually enjoyed having his locks clipped. He said he felt lighter on his feet, and 10 degrees cooler! Bwahahaha!

  10. wafan October 18, 2009 6:00 am

    d1 . . .

    Difficult to tell if the sun is up with all the clouds.

    Enjoy your day at the sea-shore. I do not like calling it a beach since they usually are not like any we are used to seeing. HA!

  11. d1島 October 18, 2009 6:02 am


    Great job Stretch!
    Erryboddy looked like they had a blast yesterday at halftime. 🙂

  12. wafan October 18, 2009 6:02 am

    Kekoa . . .

    Good thing your hands are rock-steady with that machete. You might have cut off some of Stretch’s eyebrow.

  13. Committed Road Warrior October 18, 2009 6:02 am


    I’m just glad the rain has finally stopped here after 5 days straight. The crisp weather will remain until the end of the week, but should warm up back to normal temps by then.

    Currently 45 degrees (feels like 38) and overcast, 12:15pm.

  14. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 6:03 am

    Our flight out of Seattle is delayed by an hour. It’s going to be interesting to see us make the sprint in S.F. to catch our flight to Honolulu.

  15. wafan October 18, 2009 6:03 am

    Stretch . . .

    Welcome to your future.


  16. Garret October 18, 2009 6:07 am

    I’m glad that Rodney Bradley’s surgery went well!

  17. wafan October 18, 2009 6:07 am

    A friend of mine got hit in the head by his car hood. He suffered a sub-dural hematoma and was hospitalized for a bit. Hopefully Mr. Tsai’s head is tougher than the car trunk.

    I concur with Slugger and Liz. A visit to the doc’s might be in order upon your return. Especially if you were dizzy (more than usual), or queasy (aside of over grazing).

  18. midnight October 18, 2009 6:08 am

    Idontknowwhytheyhateme – I guess your head won you money!!

    Years ago, I did the same thing. UH was playing San Diego State, and as I recall UH was giving 4. We flew into San Diego, and I hopped a flight to Las Vegas for the day. I went to the Cal Sportsbook, and I took SDSU. The clerk looked at me and said aren’t you from Hawaii? I told him yes, I was from Hawaii, but when I bet, I don’t bet with my heart, I bet with my head.

    Back to San Diego for the game the next day. At the half, Hawaii was ahead by 21 points…. well there goes my bet. San Diego stormed back in the second half, that towards the end of the game, I contemplated what could happen that UH could win the game, but I still could win my bet. I recall that UH did win by 3, but I still won the bet……

    Good Day to all the Tsaikos!! Going to miss the tailgate next week…food, and friendship.

    Go Warriors!!!

  19. Garret October 18, 2009 6:08 am

    I’m glad that ST put a note about Letuli’s injury situation…I’ve been wondering what his status was. UH could really benefit from his return.

  20. Garret October 18, 2009 6:09 am

    I finished archiving the quotes from the game:

  21. Garret October 18, 2009 6:12 am

    UH’s players talked about their redzone problems:

    From Bryant Moniz:

    “When we go down there (to the red zone) and get only 3 points, I mean it’s good to get points on the board, but it’s also a heartbreaker.”

    “Same thing, different day. We came a long way from last week. We did improve, but that’s not good enough. We have to put seven on the board, not three.”

    From Blaze:

    “We couldn’t finish the deal. The offense couldn’t score in the red zone. The defense couldn’t stop them. They came up with big plays.”

  22. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 6:23 am

    My head’s feeling better. It’s just sore at the point of contact, but no longer queasy or having a headache. And my left eye isn’t blurry, anymore.

  23. mctruck October 18, 2009 6:27 am

    I got to watch the game live on ESPN affiliate, and I must say that even though we lost, I was rather pleased with the improved play on offense.
    It looked like a deliberate leg whip to me by Keo to trip up Bradley, so how is it that there was no penalty???(see you next season, Mr. Bradley, get well).

    I was pleased with the consistant plays of, Salas and Pilares; game in game out, they’re so dependable, no matter what. Can’t say enough about Moniz either, watch out next season….guns-a-blazin!!!!
    The offensive line must have been halfway decent, what with the stats that Moniz put up. The run, the run, the run…..that’s for laters.

    Well, overall, I’m a happy camper…..looking foward to the next game.

  24. Crasty October 18, 2009 6:36 am

    I liked it. So much useful material. I read with great interest.

  25. Garret October 18, 2009 6:41 am

    The NCAA sure has some *strange* rules for recruits that are hosted at neutral-site games. Texas was designated the “home” team this year for the Texas-Oklahoma game (they take turns being the home team) and the #1 DE (Jeffcoat, possibly the #1 recruit in the country) was officially Texas’ guest for the game. One of his other top choices is Oklahoma, so it is quite likely that whoever was the “home” team for the game would have been his host.

    I’ve been talking about having UH play a neutral-site game on the mainland to raise money and help with recruiting, but this NCAA rule should be taken into account if/when that happens.

    Texas can host him, but can have no contact of any kind with him. Seriously.

    He can’t go into the locker room, be with the team at any time, talk to or interact with any coach before..during..or after the game. No sidelines.

    The NCAA allows him to do this: Pick up his ticket at the ticket window, attend the game in the stands, and then leave the stadium. Any interaction with Texas is an NCAA infraction.

  26. Hank October 18, 2009 6:41 am

    …we have a chance to shock the college football world next week – so why not do it!

    Go Warriors!

  27. Garret October 18, 2009 6:42 am


    I’m glad that you are feeling better, but you might want to pay a visit to your doctor just in case. The blurry vision is something you should bring up to your doctor.

  28. protector October 18, 2009 6:43 am

    My thoughts & prayers go out to Rodney Bradley & his family. Great player, great attitude; just a great kid. What a devastating loss to the team.

    mctruck on # 23:

    I ABSOLUTELY agree with you that it looked like an intentionall leg whip! I’m still pissed with Keo because I think he knew he was “burned” so he decided to trip him since there was no way he was going to be able to tackle him in any way. Dastardly! Totally deserving of a penalty. Couldn’t they have called tripping(?) much as they would call a penalty on O-Line if they trip opponent on the way to QB when they are taken out of the play themselves?

    Bryant Moniz was absolutely terrific! He looks even better & more confident than last week. If LWJ could execute a block once in awhile, Moniz wouldn’t have lost the ball in the 4th Qtr when they were driving.

    Have to give credit to Idaho. Their team out-executed our team. Both QBs wee stellar. The difference was that their receivers hung onto the ball more. If ours did, we would’ve won this game & would’ve been competitive in the Fresno game too.

  29. protector October 18, 2009 6:51 am

    Hey ST & others, (re: Laupepa Letuli)

    Weren’t they contemplating a couple of weeks ago about (medically) redshirting him? Does anyone know for certain if that’s even a remote and do-able possibility?

  30. Garret October 18, 2009 6:57 am

    We keep hearing that UH is a young team and I guess this is a good time to take a lot at who is coming back for next season. Let us look at the starters and see how much eligibility they have left.

    QB: Moniz So. (UH was only playing a senior until Alexander got hurt)
    RB: LWJ Sr., Green Jr.
    RT: Letuli Sr., Thomas Jr.
    RG: Ieru Sr., Hansen So. (The playing time Hansen is getting should be a huge positive next season)
    C: Estes Sr.
    LG: Hisatake Sr.
    LT: Kia Sr.
    Z: Pollard So., Taylor Jr.
    Y: Pilares Jr., Henry Jr.
    H: Salas Jr., Medeiros Jr.
    X: Bradley Jr., Avery So.

    LE: Purcell Jr., Falemalu Fr.
    LT: Rocky Sr., Meatoga So.
    RT: Tufaga Sr., Correa Fr.
    RE: Fonoti Sr., Satele So.
    SLB: R.J. Sr., Rice Sr.
    MLB: Blaze Sr., Lolotai Jr.
    BLB: Paredes So., Ahmad Jr.
    Nickel: Torres So.
    CB: Hopkins Jr., Davis Jr., Bryant Jr., Walker Fr.
    SS: Smith Jr.
    FS: Silva Jr. Estes So.

  31. Justin October 18, 2009 7:02 am

    Personally, I’d like to see true freshman Mike Wadsworth in the starting lineup with Spencer Smith. He’s tall, fast, and obviously has a nose for the ball. He couldn’t do any worse than 5’7 Richard Torres. BTW, did anyone see his pathetic attempt to recover the fumble forced by Spencer Smith?

  32. Garret October 18, 2009 7:07 am

    The list I made above is not complete–I just took the info from a UH press release before the Idaho game. However, it looks like UH is *not* a young team in terms of eligibility…in fact, UH seems to be playing mostly Seniors and Juniors and is probably well older in terms of eligibility than most D-IA teams.

    It does look like the receiver position is deep and everyone will be back next season (including Lane, who is not on that list)…there will be huge competition for playing time at those spots, with a lot of receivers getting experience this season due to the injuries.

    If this is really a rebuilding situation, I’d like for UH to rotate in some younger players to give the starters a rest and to get them experience. To me, that would be very important for next season and it could help team morale for reserves to know they will get to play. For example, most other teams rotate on the OL and I know that UH does not like to do that much…but instead of playing all or almost all seniors, it would be good to get the underclassmen some experience. A drive or two per half couldn’t hurt…since cohesion is so important, maybe 2 or 3 reserves could go in together. However, this might have to wait until Letuli gets back because the top reserve at both guard spots is Hansen and he might be needed at RT.

    Teams can rebuild for the future by playing underclassmen like Paipai and Moniz. Teams cannot rebuild if they play seniors all game at certain positions.

    I’ll just get this off my chest now (I’ve been hinting my feelings on this in posts all season) and will stop posting about it until doing an update this later this season.

  33. Shannon October 18, 2009 7:08 am

    what happened to Pilares towards the end of the game? How come he wasn’t in? the WR lineup was: Taylor, Avery, Salas & Medeiros…

  34. Garret October 18, 2009 7:08 am

    Great photo of Stretch and Esme! Congratulations to Stretch for making and exceeding his goal.

  35. Garret October 18, 2009 7:09 am


    Didn’t Medeiros replace Pilares late in the Fresno State game also? I think that had to do with some drops.

  36. Bill C October 18, 2009 7:11 am

    Keep up the good work and good luck with your site – are you having fun with it? It’s interesting and well worth the time to visit.

  37. Shannon October 18, 2009 7:12 am

    RIGHT ON, Garret! This season is gonna be hard to scrap up a Bowl… hopefully next year we have a winning season.

  38. Shannon October 18, 2009 7:13 am

    Could be…but Pilares drops were early in the game…he still played..until Bradley got hurt, then Avery came in…then Medeiros in the 4th…

  39. Shannon October 18, 2009 7:15 am

    I’ll be the first one to say it though: I Like Moniz Better Than Alexander…

  40. Hitman 24 October 18, 2009 7:16 am

    Garrett #30 – good list to show who’s starting and playing. Our entire offensive line needs to be rebuilt – excluding Hansen who’s starting now. 5 out of our front 7 defenders are seniors but we get Braxton back and 2 transfers including Tuipolotu. So what this shows is the key to any successful football team, the trenches on both sides, is needing to be rebuilt next year. Hopefully, we’ll see more underclassmen playing on the o-line for the rest of the year.

    I believe this is the biggest difference in comparing JJ’s 2nd year to Mack’s 2nd year. JJ’s year had a lot more underclassmen starting in the trenches to gain the game experience that was needed.

  41. PowderPuff October 18, 2009 7:17 am

    Glad to hear Bradley’s surgery was successful. All the best to him during his recovery. And happy to hear your left eye isn’t blurry anymore, ST.

    Give it up to the other “CUT” boy – Chawan! He put together Stretch’s “clips” from yesterday:

  42. Justin October 18, 2009 7:17 am

    Why not give Dustin Blount a few snaps every now and then. He has legitimate speed accompanied with a low center of gravity and good balance, thus making it hard to bring him down. He’d be a home run threat there which is what Hawaii may need, considering its redzone woes.

  43. Shannon October 18, 2009 7:23 am

    Blount & Taylor have great speed and skills but I still think they’re more suited for SB. The only “short” WR that was consistent for Hawaii was probably Komine…and maybe Herbert… other than them, Lelie, Rivers, Lane & Bradley were all over 6’…

  44. Konaboy3 October 18, 2009 7:24 am

    Get well rodney Bradley god bless you coach mac start looking for d lineman help like Ikaika Mahoe he is ready to help the defense . I watch him in highschool and college when he play for northern arizona he was good . Go warriors

  45. Shannon October 18, 2009 7:24 am

    Height kills at that outside WR spot…ask Tank Hopkins… 🙁

  46. Men of steel 58 October 18, 2009 7:29 am

    Good luck Rodney Bradley get well

  47. whitey October 18, 2009 7:35 am

    Good morning Tsaikos.

    ST, sounds like you caught a good one. Let’s see you one got in the plane from the overhead bin and now one from the car trunk. You better go check with your doctor when you return.

  48. onandon October 18, 2009 7:35 am

    It was a trip and not a leg whip. Even today’s HA article (compared to last night’s online article by Tsai) about the loss toned down the hysterics about Bradley’s injury eliminated use of the term “legwhip”.

  49. al October 18, 2009 7:37 am

    my heart goes out to you rodney bradley.
    you were having such a huge breakout season.
    you were looking very nfl-like.
    i hope and pray that you mend well and comeback in a year or two.

  50. bighilofan2 October 18, 2009 7:39 am

    Hiya Tsaikos.

    Garrett, thanks for the quotes.

    mctruck, protector,
    agree with your analyses.

    also, if wuz me, Corey and Javonte would get extra extra extra homework wit da JUGS. i’d hire wafan to coach em, give em vision: all buttery, berrys dripping an svelte and mouth watering, each salivates while firmly clutching and holdin onto da ball. 😆

    day gots to change dare vision cuz da dropsies wuz dropsies, and das a fakk! wafan cudda taken cared of dat. 😀

  51. bighilofan2 October 18, 2009 7:40 am

    I predict Rodney Bradley will go to the nfl. injuries happen . the strong survive big time. Bradley is a big time brudda.

    looking forward to playing Idaho, UNLV, LaTech and FSU next year.

    Go Warriors!

  52. djmitcho October 18, 2009 7:42 am

    All I know is Pilares wasn’t happy after the game. Went straight from the locker room to the bus even as former high school teammate Kama Bailey was trying to get his attention. He pretty much ignored everyone.

  53. whitey October 18, 2009 7:43 am

    arm chair qb prior to the game was great and the team did some of things that i mentioned. what stood out was they hustled more and used more players to find out who are players. If we can get more players like Spenser Smith in the db, we going be very tough. I don’t know how much time the wr’s spend on the JUGS, but I don’t think they spend much time on it and it shows in game time, big time!!! Drop balls are acceptable if it is in a difficult position, but when the qb hits you in the hands, no excuses!!!!!

  54. Slugger October 18, 2009 7:44 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!!!

    Hope Esme & Stretch had a great morning out there with all of the SGK participants. Mahalo for supporting cancer research.

    Chawan_cut, thanks for catching the news clips on the haircut!

  55. Biolonka October 18, 2009 7:47 am

    Отличная статья.Респект автору.

  56. whitey October 18, 2009 7:49 am

    leg whip, tripping, chop blocks, cut blocks has been the nemisis for the legs of the Warriors. They have gotten more leg injuries due to those tactics this year than in the previous years.

  57. bighilofan2 October 18, 2009 7:49 am


    i agree with you, brudda.

    ikaika is ready for the big time. our coaches are not ready for the big time! jmho.

    and I did like how our Warriors never quit, kept playing even when some were obviously hobbling on da field.

    I like encourage our Coaches with this observation. Idaho took ordinary people and turned them into winners. reminder, those Hawaii guys on Idaho, when they were recruited 2-3 years ago, they were not who UH was looking for. i’m specifically tinkin ah Kama Bailey. explain to me how come these young and inexperienced guys came to play well against our guys.

    I support our warriors and will root for them, but coaches, you are wearing me out. i’m leading by example. I’m giving up City Diner until you get the train back on track.


  58. whitey October 18, 2009 7:50 am

    Stretch, you look much better bolohead than with hair. choke, choke, gasp. hahahahaaa

  59. bighilofan2 October 18, 2009 7:51 am

    its vegetables until I get leaner, meaner and faster.

    and run away from old age.


  60. bighilofan2 October 18, 2009 7:52 am


    whitey’s right. 😀

    betcha da chicks loved rubbing da head. 😆

  61. oldie October 18, 2009 7:52 am


    If you’re still looking for a copy of last night’s Wahine game, let me know. I can get one out to you.

  62. bighilofan2 October 18, 2009 7:52 am

    prolly sum ah da guyz too. 😆

  63. Hawaiiroller October 18, 2009 7:57 am

    Best of luck to Rodney. Take care and have a strong recovery.

    Hey Stretch, you looked good on TV. I volunteer some computer time with Komen. God bless all the walkers today, especially off those pink shirt survivors. 🙂

    Have a great day Tsaikos.

  64. mctruck October 18, 2009 8:01 am

    What I really admire watching is a rb who has upper and lower body strength, and how they just keep scrapping for yardage, keep them legs churning and protecting that ball.(just saying).

    Eh!, Moniz…you one fast/slippery runner yourself!!!…an extra weapon man!!

    I might be wrong but if UH had a decent running game then the defense wouldn’t just sit back there in the red zone setting up for the pass. I think that’s why UH has a problem scoring in the red zone…one dimensional.

  65. bighilofan2 October 18, 2009 8:04 am

    i gonna feel betta about our coaches when they coaching 90 peeps to step in anytime to play D1 ball.

    have a nice day, Tsaikos. I goin down to da beach and soak my sore head. afta i go do sum paypahwurk.

  66. Slugger October 18, 2009 8:21 am

    ST ~

    PLEASE go to the ER to get your head checked out! See my email, or FB mail. That head-butt with the trunk can be deadly.

    I like watching FOX sports (w/ the Giants & Nawlins on); Thom Brennaman used to call AZ Diamondbacks games & I’m so used to his voice.

  67. Jason October 18, 2009 8:23 am

    Shannon: Don’t forget Justin Colbert.

    Actually, with the exceptions of Ashley Lelie and Jeremiah Cockheran, the Z receiver has usually been a smaller guy. Either way, the guy has to have speed; the Z receiver runs a lot more deep routes.

  68. labrat October 18, 2009 8:25 am

    Everytime I watch Navy play I think of Ikaika Mahoe. UH will need to put a tackle with a very low center of gravity who can hold the point on Navy’s center.

  69. mo808 October 18, 2009 8:26 am

    ST, sorry to hear about your head; glad you are doing better!

    Our Warrior FB team has really had a lot of adversity this year with the injuries. The team really needs our support! Go Warriors!!

  70. wafan October 18, 2009 8:32 am

    Oldie . . .

    Yes! Thank you!!!

  71. Ronnie October 18, 2009 8:34 am

    Good Morning Tsaiko Family!

    Thank you to everyone for all the Birthday wishes. I had a great day. I wish we could have had a victory on Saturday, but I still love my Warriors and will continue to be a season ticket holder.

    Worse than the loss of the game, is the loss of my grandma. She passed yesterday. I’m not sure if we can make it out for the funeral, but I’ll post if the boys and I are able to come home.

  72. proudvandalmom October 18, 2009 8:37 am

    djmitcho: a game is a game…win or lose…the least kealoha could have done was to acknowledge kama…it wasn’t like kama went there to taunt…he went there to show the local boys from hawaii…that he’s still a local boy from the islands…on the field we’re enemies…but off the field we we’re friends…last year after idaho took a beating from hawaii…kama approached kealoha after the game and everything was fine and dandy…this year the respect couldn’t be reciprocated…so sad…i am so proud of you kama…for being the bigger man…

  73. vball fan October 18, 2009 8:41 am

    UH was passing out a Shoji piece after the game. Where can I get one?

  74. labrat October 18, 2009 8:53 am

    What they cut up Dave Shoji?

  75. Jason October 18, 2009 8:57 am

    It was a special printout from some other newspaper acknowledging the 1,000 wins. Similar to what the Advertiser did after the Washington game when we went 12-0.

  76. Shannon October 18, 2009 9:01 am

    @JASON – BINGO!!!!!!!!! That’s who I was thinking about, not Herbert… seems like those days of the football flying DEEP are long gone… 🙁

  77. Pomai October 18, 2009 9:09 am

    Ronnie prayers to your family

  78. Kekoa October 18, 2009 9:31 am

    My sincere condolences to you and your ‘ohana Ronnie. I never got to know either of my Grandmothers’ as they both passed away when they were young women. I often wonder what it would have been like to be able to speak with them.

    I hope you will be able to return home to help put your Grandmother to rest.

    Mai poina.

  79. Slugger October 18, 2009 9:33 am


    Condolences to your family.

  80. SteveM October 18, 2009 9:37 am

    Good morning everyone!

    Congrats to Stretch and Esme for attaining their goals. Stretch came out ahead. No pun intended, but he looks good even though he always wears a ball cap. 🙂

  81. whitey October 18, 2009 9:38 am

    Ronnie, deepest sympathy to you and your family.

  82. Διογένης ὁ Σινωπεύς October 18, 2009 9:39 am

    Rodney: Speedy recovery!
    ST: Take care of yourself – seek a medical opinion – don’t be hard-headed.

    STRETCH: remember hair today, gone tomorrow! And what about ESME’s promise?

  83. SteveM October 18, 2009 9:40 am

    Our condolences to Ronnie and family.

  84. whitey October 18, 2009 9:40 am

    Vandalmom, thanks. you are absolutely correct about during game, you are not friend, but after game pau, go shake hands with friends cause as you leave the game, these will be your friends for life.

  85. whitey October 18, 2009 9:42 am

    also porgot vandalmom, welcome to the blog.

  86. whitey October 18, 2009 9:44 am

    huge difference watching the game live vs tv, so it is harder to see if players and coaches are doing their jobs.

  87. SteveM October 18, 2009 9:47 am

    Stephen Tsai:
    October 18th, 2009 at 6:23 am
    My head’s feeling better. It’s just sore at the point of contact, but no longer queasy or having a headache. And my left eye isn’t blurry, anymore.

    ST — if you are serious about this, take everyone’s advice and see a doctor (or a trainer). The queasiness and blurry vision part is a cause for concern, not to mention the potential damage to the car trunk.

    Seriously… get it checked. 🙁

  88. whitey October 18, 2009 9:49 am

    Congratulation to Coach Shoji and his Rainbow Wahines. They were superb and put on a show of solid vb.

    Now, the Warriors could take a lesson on how you play the game by watching the game film of the Wahines last night. See how Aneli fires up the team and everyone does their job. Aneli would have been a great middle lb with her fire and relentness play. No Mas!!!! With that kind of leadership and team response, this year’s team is going to go a long way and have a shot at the national championship.

  89. Hawaiiroller October 18, 2009 10:01 am

    Happy belated birthday and deepest sympathies, Ronnie. 🙂

  90. Slugger October 18, 2009 10:35 am

    OK, I’m liking the Jets better than the Bills in this game.

  91. jm2375 October 18, 2009 10:49 am

    Good morning Tsai-kos!

    Condolences to Ronnie and her ohana.

    Congrats to Stretch, Esme and the HMLM team.

    Great game last night. Tix bought put us in the rafters. Snuck down to lower bowl in the middle of the first game. Much better. 🙂 Place was rocking.

    Set the dvr to record the replay and only got the 1st 3 games…. arrrgggghhh.

    Have a great Sunday.

  92. wafan October 18, 2009 10:50 am

    Prayers and condolences to Ronnie and family.

    She still lives in your heart!

  93. mctruck October 18, 2009 10:55 am

    Condolences, Ronnie……

    Grandma’s are very special people; I was raised by my grandma since I grew up in a one parent home, my sister and I.

    On a different note, Happy Bday as well, from one Libra to another.

  94. LizKauai (iPhone) October 18, 2009 10:56 am

    Ahhhh. I love the Redskins. They make me feel much better about the Warriors this year. Tsaigh.
    Today’s pedicure will be only green.

  95. Derek October 18, 2009 10:58 am

    As I predicted last week (31-17 Idaho), close enough 35-23 Idaho. The story was predictable, UH’s defense cannot stop the other team from running the ball at will, thus making their passing game more effective. The problem I see is that the defensive line is been blown off the line of scrimmage and the other guys are getting at least 5,6 or more yards before being tackled. Chalk that up to loss of talent and some of that to coaching. Look at what they have, there’s not a lot of playing time and experience. In a way, I blame the coaching for doing a poor job of recruiting. Conversely, the WRs corp are doing well to kudos to them.
    It all comes down to the OL and DL. OL loses 5 seniors. UH should start playing the backups more to get more experience for next year. This year will be bad so might as well look to the future already. And, it’s not not like the OL starters are doing a terrific job either. It was actually kinda funny when Kia got a false start penalty, how he started to fall backward. Some other problems were exposed on Saturday. For one, the kick-offs. Two kick-offs out of bounds resulting Idaho getting the ball on the 40 yard line both times. What is that!!!!! Inexcusable!!!! This is not P.E. football. The punting was to me terrible. You saw it. Look at your eyes. The red zone. When UH gets in the red zone, the play calling is not good. Of course, we don’t have a Colt Brennan either. Let’s how Moniz gets better in a hurry. I think we got outcoached again too..Idaho pulled the right strings and they were smart. I see why their are 6-1. They don’t make silly mistakes and they make good strategy decisions moving the ball. I’m not being negative. It is what it is, right now we have a very bad football team and it is going to get worse w/ Boise St. coming to town this week and at Nevada the following week. Except the same, and it will be ugly for if we do the same things over and over again, you will get the same results. Like I said before, there’s no imagination and I haven’t seen any new wrinkles and offensive sets or any defensive alignment changes to tell me that the coaching just isn’t there. The positive, Moniz seems to be getting better. Salas. Jovonte had his best game. I’d like to see running the ball more effectively. Is that asking too much? Maybe. There’s always tomorrow. Ala Joe Paterno, “Coach, when is UH’s next win?” “I don’t know”, I just “don’t know”.

  96. SteveM October 18, 2009 10:59 am

    Hi Hawaiiroller — long time no “see”! 🙂

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  101. Kekoa October 18, 2009 11:09 am

    Sat next to C_C last nite at the VB game. He had about 100 of those extra long balloons . He spent nearly the entire game blowing up balloons and throwing them North, South, East and West. In no time, there were balloons everywhere!

    What was so funny was watching the meanest looking braddahs stand and wave their balloons as the *wave* swept around the arena.

    Clever that Chawan Cut…he made a lot of youngsters very happy and many parents thankful that the children had something to occupy their time, so they could enjoy the game.

  102. wafan October 18, 2009 11:09 am

    Second Century!


  103. Kekoa October 18, 2009 11:11 am

    Re: #100

    wafan ~ I still have the machete…

  104. wafan October 18, 2009 11:11 am

    Was the no fun administrator absent, slacking or, hopefully, caught a hint? Maybe JD passed the word to lighten up.

    Way to go, C_C!!!

  105. Kazz (#1000 WINS!) October 18, 2009 11:15 am


    October 18th, 2009 at 11:11 am
    Was the no fun administrator absent, slacking or, hopefully, caught a hint? Maybe JD passed the word to lighten up.

    She was busy reciting the very robotic and sterile speech she gave during the post game ceremonies…

  106. wafan October 18, 2009 11:15 am

    Kekoa . . .

    Some buggah tried to sneak in.

    About the machette. After sawing through Stretch’s hair. Dull already! Must be like a butter knife.

  107. Kekoa October 18, 2009 11:22 am

    wafan…Machete was for entertainment only. Remember, I’m still on HPD’s person of interest list.

  108. whitey October 18, 2009 11:27 am

    good to watch ESPN’s expert as they more and more frustrated about Boise, Cincy, and TCU in the top 10 on the BCS poll. It is almost a foregone conclusion that if these 3 run out the season undefeated, they will be in the top 8 teams in the BCS poll. What a kick in the okole for the BCS and their “high makamaka” schools!!!! Love it!!!!!

  109. Stretch October 18, 2009 11:29 am

    Howzit Tsaikos!!

    Speedy recovery to Rodney.

    Thanks again to all the Tsaikos for your support in the Susan G Komen walk. JJ and I made the walk and HiFlyer joined in about half way. The new haircut doesn’t look too bad, I might keep this way for a while. I just need to tan the top slowly so I don’t get sunburn.

  110. jm2375 October 18, 2009 11:38 am

    Kekoa – so that’s where da balloons came from. Where were you guys sitting anyways?

  111. madeinhawaii October 18, 2009 11:39 am

    Stretch… good job!

  112. Kazz wants the Ha'a back!!! October 18, 2009 11:40 am


  113. Committed Road Warrior October 18, 2009 11:43 am

    whitey #108:

    I feel the same way too. It was also nice to see five (5) non-BCS teams make the BCS poll, though my thoughts say that two, maybe three of them won’t be there within three week’s time.

    Also surprised to see Arizona make the BCS poll at #22. Never heard a peep about them all year… they have a target on their backs.

  114. wafan October 18, 2009 11:45 am

    Kekoa . . .

    In HPD I trust. But, in Diana’s side-eye look at you I believe!


  115. Violanka October 18, 2009 12:02 pm

    Навеяно наверное стандартным мышлением? Будьте проще ))

  116. A-House October 18, 2009 12:04 pm

    Many improvements in yesterday’s game, but we lost it in the trenches as the Oline could not hold off the Dline and UH Dline could not put pressure on the QB and stop the run. How much input by Coach Mack as this is his forte?

    Unsure how the Coaches can fix this, but something has to be done.

    Was it me or did UH go back to the same passing strategy once they fell behind? Kekoa and I were in agreement during the first qtr that the play calling was much improved with the mixture of the runs and passes.

    It was kinda of funny to see Kia go off balance and start to fall backwards. First time for everything.

    VB match was very exciting and glad that the Wahine pulled it out for the Coach. Rocking like long ago!!!

  117. wafan October 18, 2009 12:04 pm

    Time to fix dinner.

    Roasted whole chicken encrusted in Hawai’ian salt, fresh ground pepper, and fresh parsely. Sides of baked potato, dressing, home made gravy, and a dinner salad.

    You are all invited!

  118. Garret October 18, 2009 12:19 pm


    I wouldn’t list Cincy in your anti-BCS rant because they are actually in a BCS Conference…actually, last year Cincy’s conference didn’t have a highly ranked team and that was better for the people who were putting down the BCS. Plus, if one BCS conference doens’t have a team ranked highly then it forces the BCS to take a non-BCS team even if they are ranked lower (as long as they are above the highest ranked team in that conference).

    Of course, the BCS bowls are only forced to take one non-BCS team and with BSU and TCU being ranked so highly then at least one will make a BCS bowl game. But in theory the requirements to make a BCS bowl game (remember how we focused on that when UH was trying to make a BCS bowl?) drops if one of the BCS Conference champions is ranked low.

  119. Garret October 18, 2009 12:22 pm

    In previous years it looked like the Big East was really down, which called into question their BCS Conference status. That made things less stable for the BCS and opened the door to other conferences replacing the Big East or being added to the BCS because they were better than the Big East.

    Unfortunately, Cincy’s solid season this year makes the Big East look better than in previous years and *helps* the BCS. For awhile the MWC was making the argument that they were better than the Big East, and that really hurt the BCS, but this year the MWC struggled more in nonconference games and the Big East seemed to do better than in the past.

  120. Kekoa October 18, 2009 12:29 pm

    jm2375 ~ We were all sitting in Section LL. In one entire row there was me, CC, Ralph, Midori7, Tom, UHFan808, Hi-Flyer, Jason, James, A-Sports, A-Jo. Two rows down was BG & Betty. If you check your text, I sent you a message to move over to where we were sitting.

    Didn’t you see our Wessai Chaptah Tsaiko Banner? Da guy sitting behind me asked, Eh!…you Stephen Tsai?I said, why – we look alike? 😎

  121. Garret October 18, 2009 12:30 pm

    It is good to know that the Navy players are so respectful for their opposition’s Alma Mater. I’m sure seeing the Navy players do this in Aloha Stadium will be a good moment. Here is a fan’s report from the SMU-Navy game.

    When the postgame handshake was over, I like every alum stood for Varsity. I guess it should not have surprised but it did to watch the Navy players come over and stand at attention for Varsity.

    That really got me (tear in my eye now) because of who they are, what they represent and how they are great ambassadors for college athletics. Rightly so, our kids walked over for their playing of the Navy Blue and White.

    This is exactly how you want sportsmanship and athletics to be played.

    We know that Navy and Army always stand for each other’s alma mater following their game, but I didn’t know that at least Navy did this. I was just overwhelmed.

    I just looked at my girls and said, “This is why you should always support the academies because of the kind of young men and women they produce and how they conduct themselves. They are role models for us all.”

    It put a lot into perspective. A proud moment at Ford Stadium. Glad to be a part of it.

  122. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 12:38 pm


    hope you are doing well in tex!

    yes when betting sometimes you win by playing whats in your heart…but most times you should bet by playing whats in your head…in this case the logical choice won. bittersweet, but doing the opposite would have just ended up being bitter. hahaha.

  123. madeinhawaii October 18, 2009 12:41 pm


    Did I read that right… we only have ten (10) seniors in the starting/shared starting lineup? That’s scary good news.

  124. Kazz October 18, 2009 12:43 pm


    If we lose against Navy, I think the Navy players and coaches will be more respectful to the playing of the UH alma mater after the game than some of the local 🙄 “fans” 🙄 that would be too busy yelling their pop warner coaching comments out to anyone that is dumb enough to listen.

  125. vball fan October 18, 2009 12:45 pm

    UH was passing out a Shoji piece after the game. Where can I get one?

    It was a special printout from some other newspaper acknowledging the 1,000 wins. Similar to what the Advertiser did after the Washington game when we went 12-0.

    I wonder why the Advertiser didn’t do one again. Oh well, gotta call the Star-Bulletin.

  126. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 12:52 pm

    re: Recruiting on the mainland (Rainbowcliff’s comments yeterday)

    Rainbowcliff or anyone,

    I was unaware that Coach McMackin was not fully supportive of the idea of getting recruits from the mainland (specifically in the LA area???)…Clarification please?

    If this is true, I can understand wanting people with Hawaii ties to some degree. But if there is a willing person (Rainbowcliff) who has the inside scoops on some high end talent from LA or whatever and he wants to help us staying WITHIN the NCAA rules/guidelines maybe we should be supportive and embracing this.

    I for one, and I think many people would agree that if you are Polynesian or White or Asian or whatever, once you come to play for Hawaii, you become part of our Warrior Ohana…no matter where you are from.

    Can somebody clarify Mack’s position on this? Because if I am not mistaken he kept a bunch of our coaches back in Las Vegas to recruit after the UNLV game, so I assumed he was open to the idea of mainland kids.

  127. buffoman October 18, 2009 12:54 pm

    Moniz does look a bit more settled than Alexander did when he started. Somehow, Moniz seems to have that leadership quality of calm. Now if the receivers could only hold on to passes that hit their hands.

    Here’s a thought. Since our new o-line coach worked with a line that included a tight end, and we see how our o-tackles have had problems, why not add a tight end. People talk about that being a part of this scheme but what good is this scheme if we cannot protect the q-back enough to allow the scheme to work? Something has to be done to help Kia, the poor guy looks so bad when he gets beaten. It (a tight end) may also help us when we decide to run.

    Hate to say it but the observation of the “weak” attempt to recover the Smith forced fumble is true. Knowing how sanke bitten we’ve been it should have been been the wise thing to just fall on the ball. What #19 did made his attempt look “weak”.

    Those kicks out of bounds? Crazy. If they (UH) want to give up so many yards, hey just onside kick, we may get lucky (scarcasm).

    Polaras has been playing like his sulking. Dropping balls (I don’t care if it was early, those drops are morale busters and we don’t need any help in that department) are unacceptable from someone like him. If he has “issues” sit him and play the other young man. That guys looks like he WANTS to play.

    Finally, this loss in a way was good. Reality even in the face of desired denial can be soberingly helpful. This season as pointed out in the past messages look very much like our von Appen era. Going “0” points in every 3rd quarter thus far looks eerily like the last year von Appen was here. We can look better but we as fans have no control over that. All we can do is cheer for those moment that allow us to hope that things will get better, even if a win may not be the outcome.

  128. 22Tokyo October 18, 2009 12:55 pm

    Ronnie….my sincere condolences…..

  129. jm2375 October 18, 2009 1:00 pm

    Kekoa – you never told me where….

  130. wafan October 18, 2009 1:17 pm


  131. whitey October 18, 2009 1:23 pm

    Garret, i made a mistake about Cincy, but that is not the point. The point is that all these so called ESPN experts are getting shafted by their own good. The computers does not agree with them and who are them. No different than us, so why should they get fartless. I love seeing them dwell in their own muck!!! Yuk, yuk, yuk!!!!!

  132. Slugger October 18, 2009 1:42 pm


    So maybe some reporter should put this story in the newspepah before we play Navy to get the point across to the general public.

    …Here is a fan’s report from the SMU-Navy game.

    When the postgame handshake was over, I like every alum stood for Varsity. I guess it should not have surprised but it did to watch the Navy players come over and stand at attention for Varsity.

    That really got me (tear in my eye now) because of who they are, what they represent and how they are great ambassadors for college athletics. Rightly so, our kids walked over for their playing of the Navy Blue and White.

    This is exactly how you want sportsmanship and athletics to be played. …

  133. NYUH October 18, 2009 1:48 pm

    Wayne Hunter in for the NY Jets. Wait, on DVR delay, that was an hour ago.

    I only need 24 hours. Beat Boise!

    It could happen.

  134. Garret October 18, 2009 1:49 pm

    BigWave asked me to run the 3rd quarter numbers from last year, so I did the research:

    3rd quarter stats from 2008 (only counting D-IA teams):

    UH 0, Florida 28
    UH 0, Oregon State 17
    UH 0, SJSU 7
    UH 10, Fresno State 13
    UH 3, La Tech 0
    UH 0, BSU 14
    UH 10, Nevada 7
    UH 0, Utah State 7
    UH 7, NMSU 7
    UH 14, Idaho 0
    UH 7, Washington State 7
    UH 14, Cincy 0 (!!!)
    UH 7, Notre Dame 21

    Total score: UH 72, Opponents 128
    Net differential: -56

    Since I’m curious, I’m going to look up the 3rd quarter scores from 2007:

    UH 14, La Tech 10
    UH 21, UNLV 0
    UH 7, Idaho 0
    UH 21, Utah State 14
    UH 7, SJSU 21
    UH 13, NMSU 10
    UH 0, Fresno State 0
    UH 0, Nevada 10
    UH 20, BSU 10 (!!!)
    UH 0, Washington 0
    UH 0, Georgia 14

    Total score: UH 103, Opponents 89
    Net differential +14

    So, the trend goes like this:
    2007: +14
    2008: -56
    2009: -49 (49-0 over 5 games)

  135. NYUH October 18, 2009 1:50 pm

    Does Rocky suck? Is that our problem?

  136. Slugger October 18, 2009 1:54 pm

    Rainbow Cliff & idkwthm,

    Ryan Henry is from West LA. I think it might just be a concern about NCAA recruiting rules and who represents the university. You have to be really careful about what you say to the kids, and probably need to be officially part of the staff. We don’t want lawsuits.

    Cliff, you can tell the kids about how it was playing in Hawaii, what the UH is like, what the people are like, all from your personal perspective. What you might do is help the kids put together film & a resume to send to the coaches. They need to learn how to do these types of things on their own, and it would help them later in life.

    K, gotta go…Esme & out…

  137. Garret October 18, 2009 1:56 pm


    You do have a good point about TCU and BSU. But have 2 highly ranked non-BCS teams does not hurt the BCS system–they already have a system in place to invite at least one of those teams.

    I would *love* to see BSU in the title game to see the controversy that will erupt. However, it looks like it will be SEC champion vs. Texas in the national title game. If Texas loses, it could actually be SEC vs. SEC for the national title game!

    BSU’s strength of schedule is going to take a huge hit as WAC play goes along. The BCS would look bad if it wasn’t for the *fact* that the WAC has been *horrible* in nonconference games the past two seasons. Even the MWC isn’t as good this year in nonconference (last year they had a winning record against the Pac-10, this year they have a losing record against the Pac-10).

    Nevada, Fresno State and Louisiana Tech were WAC teams that got a lot of positive press before the season and played BCS teams. Winning those games would have been a big blow against the BCS and earned the WAC a lot of respect. Want to guess what their records were in those games?

  138. Ralph October 18, 2009 2:28 pm

    JMXXXX we were in section LL row 12, all nine of us. A Houses and BG & Betty a few rows below us.

  139. jm2375 October 18, 2009 2:41 pm

    Ralph – NOW you tell me. Oh well, had keed and her BFF with me, so prolly neva had room for all 3 of us. They wanted to sit down low anyways. They got spoiled going to the men’s games.

  140. crazyhawn October 18, 2009 2:49 pm

    i agree with Konaboy3…. yes.. Ikaika Mahoe is a dedicated player who did well at Kamehameha School and also at NAU… He is ready to make the plunge in the starting lineup…. Coach Mac… GIVE HIM A CHANCE…..u won’t be sorry…

  141. Maverick October 18, 2009 2:50 pm

    Aloha Garret.

    Regarding your post # 121 for the respect that our Academies show at the games……THANK YOU.

    This is a prime example of why Hawaii should support the Academies EVERY year with a scheduled game.




    and Semper Fidelis to our Marine Corp.

  142. 808ike October 18, 2009 3:02 pm


    I was planning to do the same thing as you at the VB game but you took
    my seat.

  143. tattoo October 18, 2009 3:06 pm

    “If Texas loses, it could actually be SEC vs. SEC for the national title game!”

    come to my island with your fantasy.

  144. 808ike October 18, 2009 3:09 pm


    We know ST and you have many similarities. Are both of you twins?

  145. dittohead October 18, 2009 3:10 pm

    “Polaras has been playing like his sulking….”


  146. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 3:17 pm


    I agree. All must be within NCAA regulations. We cannot afford to make technical errors.

    I know we have players from the mainland as Salas is the first to jump to mind. However I am wondering if Mack has particular position that places less emphasis on the So.Cal area or mainland in general. Did you hear that?

    Btw are you going to the luncheon?

  147. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 3:20 pm

    add #146

    I take that back, maybe Salas was a JJ recruit. But nonetheless I know Coach Mack kept our coaches in Las Vegas to recruit so I am guessing he is still interested with mainland talent. A good idea i think.

  148. 808ike October 18, 2009 3:22 pm

    It is nice to know Tsaikos and Tsaikettes were at the game to support the
    VB program. Knew Kazz, Jason and c_c are going to be there.

  149. NYUH October 18, 2009 3:27 pm

    Boise State 229
    Fresno State 219
    Idaho 207
    Nevada 173
    Utah State 166
    Louisiana Tech 161
    Hawaii 142
    New Mexico State 103
    San Jose State 99

    Boise State 93
    Louisiana Tech 132
    Fresno State 151
    Idaho 176
    Hawaii 178
    Nevada 178
    New Mexico State 190
    Utah State 197

    San Jose State 201

  150. 808ike October 18, 2009 3:31 pm


    The head coach should not discriminate………….. He should be recruiting
    the best players who want to play for Hawaii. Height, age, ethnic background
    should not be a factor. Ties with Hawaii is a bunch of BS. Many people
    know about our school logo thanks to JJ.

  151. 808ike October 18, 2009 3:33 pm

    Will be lurking soon. Having brew@808.

  152. oldie October 18, 2009 3:38 pm


    I need your address. Email me at hoherb at yahoo dot com. Thanks

  153. ai-eee-soos October 18, 2009 3:47 pm

    even the Redskins are having a problem in who’s going to call the offensive plays.

    ” … Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn lost more than a game on Sunday.

    Zorn was told after a 14-6 setback to the previously winless Kansas City Chiefs that he will not call offensive plays anymore.

    Executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato met with Zorn and told him that he has too many responsibilities right now, Redskins’ director of communications Zack Bolno told’s Matt Mosley. The team did not reveal who would call plays, but an announcement is expected on Monday. …”

  154. westsidesview October 18, 2009 3:51 pm

    Alabama or LSU will win the SEC-west and play Florida, SEC-east in the SEC playoff….the loser in the SEC playoff will not be selected to play in the National Title game in Pasadena.

    Texas, Iowa, Cinn are viable BCS candidates that are undefeated.
    Texas must win their division than face a B12 playoff.
    Iowa must face Ohio State at the horseshoe and the Bearcats still have to travel to Pitt, run the table and their Heisman hopefull, QB/Pike is badly dinged in midseason.
    He was wobbling against S Fla.

    Undefeated BSU is an outside chance but they must have lots of help with multiple double-loss candidates.
    Their SOS is weak in contrast to other hopefulls and face a strong BCS snub and computer-geek bias. One of the three factors in selecting the top 2 teams.

    USC and Penn State are one-loss candidates without conference playoffs.

    Once-beaten USC has 4-home games and is a viable candidate if they win their remaining six. Oregon appears as their toughest remaining conference challenge and the game is scheduled @ Eugene.

    Penn State has a tough road to hoe but face the Buckeyes at home.

    Miami and GaT are also one-loss candidates but are in the same ACC Division and must face an additional conference playoff game.

    Of course it is all moot if Texas goes unbeaten, wins the B12 playoffs and either Fla, ALAB and LSU emerge as SEC Champs with one loss or less.

  155. ai-eee-soos October 18, 2009 3:51 pm

    BSC poll. #4, Boise Donks.

    Go WARRIORS, blow out the donks.

  156. Garret October 18, 2009 4:09 pm

    I think that 2006 was the best team in the JJ era. The big difference with the 2007 team is that the core of the 2006 team learned how to win, which was key for the close wins in 2007. I think if UH was able to play Alabama, BSU, and Oregon State after the 2006 Hawaii Bowl they would have won each game. So, I was curious and ran the numbers for 2006:

    3rd quarter scores from 2006:
    UH 7, Alabama 7
    UH 14, UNLV 7
    UH 7, BSU 7
    UH 3, Nevada 0
    UH 20, Fresno State 6
    UH 0, NMSU 7
    UH 21, Idaho 0
    UH 21, Utah State 7
    UH 28, La Tech 0
    UH 27, SJSU 7
    UH 3, Purdue 14
    UH 3, Oregon State 7
    UH 21, Arizona State 0

    Total score: UH 175 (!!), Opponents 69
    Net differential +106 (!!)

    So, the trend goes like this:
    2006: +106
    2007: +14
    2008: -56
    2009: -49 (49-0 over 5 games)

  157. Garret October 18, 2009 4:13 pm


    Salas was a redshirt during JJ’s last season at UH. That means that he was recruited to UH *before* Mac was hired by JJ.

  158. Garret October 18, 2009 4:15 pm


    Mac has said that UH will recruit on the mainland where the recruit has a link to UH or Hawaii, citing for example how the Polynesians on the mainland have family ties at UH.

  159. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 4:16 pm


    I think everyone would agree that whether ur from hawaii or not, the BEST players should be recruited. I for one would love to have all players from Hawaii getting scholarships etc, but if we had every single player from the mainland because they were down right better players then anything we could find in Hawaii I would be just as pleased.

    What JJ did to “brand” the Hawaii “H” logo and athletics program was amazing. My friends in New Jersey know the logo and what they refer to as the “tribal” motif.

  160. Garret October 18, 2009 4:18 pm


    I completely agree with your #141 and have been talking for years about how it would be good for UH to play the service academies. The huge military presence in Hawaii helps increase the crowds for games against the academies and they don’t worry about the travel costs. Also, the academies get national attention for their games, which is great for UH.

    I’m glad that JD has been really increasing the scheduling of games with the academies, a nice change from the HF schedules.

  161. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 4:21 pm


    I remember hearing Mack talking about recruiting people from the mainland WITH LINKS to Hawaii…a sensible thing to do.

    However, does that mean he has closed the recruiting efforts to great prospects when they lack any tie to Hawaii? That is kind of the feeling I get after reading Rainbowcliff’s previous post.

  162. kokua October 18, 2009 4:23 pm

    Boise State will beat the warriors and make the spread.
    Posting the predicted score is embarrassing and should be turned off.
    At this point we have to be concerned with team morale which is not being covered by the press.
    But you can imagine.

    Moniz has assests and looks promising but with the loss of Bradley we are in the same boat as last year without a deep threat. Bradley was legit and IMO, cannot be replaced in-season.

    We should beat NMSU in another 4 weeks….next year?
    same ole, we are losing our beleagured OL and best talent in John Estes, who had his high water mark season in 2007.
    Make no mistake, we rebuild next year, not reload.
    Given our last two seasons, that is a blessing not a curse.

    Defensively, same coaches, same problems at DT, DE and D backfield.

    Building a system is a challenge in itself.
    You need to properly recruit players who fit, then coach them up plus run a strong off-season training program.
    After 20 games and two recruiting sessions you need to see a pulse at least–regretfully, it is not noticeable.
    Im not speaking to other subltle nuances, such as coaching selection, team and game prep and management, among others….and that is another exclusive topic.

  163. bstunna2002 October 18, 2009 4:30 pm

    In regards to Mack recruitig he does recruit in L.A. quite a bit more so in the Juco Ranks, alot of his first recruiting class where from the LA area, I agree with Mack trying to keep the best players at home as well And also how he welcomes them back even if the decide to go the mainland college route.

  164. Kazz October 18, 2009 4:30 pm

    I hit F5 on my keyboard.

    Did a post just disappear?

  165. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 4:31 pm

    re: the timeout call error

    If taking a timeout at the end of the half when we made a first down is obviously dumb…why did the referee take a “nod” as an indication for a timeout?

    What is the proper way to signal a timeout? Making a “T” with the hands? A verbal shout of “Timeout”……a winkin, blinkin, or nod suffices?

    I don’t know the complexities of signals in football but a referee interpreting a timeout from a nod when it makes no sense to begin with and then not taking it back is an awfully strange story…..then again truth is stranger than fiction.

  166. Kazz October 18, 2009 4:31 pm

    Oops.. nevermind.

  167. wafan October 18, 2009 4:36 pm

    Not sure we can really count Mack’s first recruiting season really as his first. He had just a few weeks to pull things together after the national play JJ’s departure had. I wonder how many recruits lost interest during that time and how many Mack actually could salvage.

  168. westsidesview October 18, 2009 4:38 pm

    Goods news about Boise State’s computer rank, however, as the second-half of their season unfolds, the teams they face will have lower BCS ranks, thus it will hurt them.
    If they make it to the big game it will boost our conference.
    No doubt.
    Getting tired of BCS computer geeks who have never put on a jock strap or coughed out their meal on a playing carpet–give the little guy a shot.
    That is the American dream.
    Boise deserves the chance.
    They beat OKL in the Fiesta Bowl and Utah b Alabama last year in the Sugar Bowl.
    The time has come.

  169. wafan October 18, 2009 4:41 pm

    Kazz . . .

    Another glitch at the HA. The weirdness continues.

  170. Ralph October 18, 2009 4:43 pm

    Kazz ctrl and F5 will refresh your page

  171. tattoo October 18, 2009 4:44 pm

    “That is the American dream.
    Boise deserves the chance.
    They beat OKL in the Fiesta Bowl and Utah b Alabama last year in the Sugar Bowl.
    The time has come”.


  172. Pride. October 18, 2009 4:44 pm


    Hawaii 70
    Boise State 38

  173. The Attitude Adjuster October 18, 2009 5:05 pm

    Boise State 52 Hawaii 10

  174. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 5:06 pm

    Opening Line Boise St. vs. Hawaii :

    Boise St. -24pts

    My guess was sorta kinda close. This off course for entertainment purposes only. =)

  175. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:08 pm


    Due to some new program debuting on KGMB, the Coach Mack Show will be on at 11pm, not 10:30pm. Also there will be no 10pm news on KGMB tonight.

  176. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:10 pm

    Honolulu Advertiser Big Wigs,

    After thinking about it… Dave Shoji SHOULD of gotten something rather LARGE on the FRONT page of the newspaper.

  177. Ralph October 18, 2009 5:11 pm

    opps got to reset the dvr for 11 pm

  178. Ralph October 18, 2009 5:12 pm

    Garret on your blogspot quotes, do you have a section of mac quotes only or is there a way to isolate only his quotes from the rest of your booty.

  179. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:12 pm

    Hey, I’m back in town.

    Don’t read anything into the post-game handshakes.
    UH’s support staff was hurrying the players into the locker room after the game. Idaho players got to linger a bit because of the significance of the victory.
    Pilares is actually very close to Bailey’s family. He told us that Bailey’s parents made it to the game.

  180. Pomai October 18, 2009 5:13 pm

    We will not quit on this team!!!!!
    Warriors vs BSU
    10    –    59    The Attitude Adjuster
    27    –    24    rasu begasu
    28    –    17    Pomai
    28    –    24    chopsueyboy
    31    –    28    wafan
    56    –    14    d1shima
    63    –    12    homey
    70    –    38    Pride

  181. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 5:14 pm

    wb stephen =).

  182. Pomai October 18, 2009 5:15 pm

    You go Pride!!!!

  183. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:15 pm

    RE: Rodney Bradley update.

    Per Coach Mack on KGMB9, the doctors said his surgery was successful and at this time there is NO indication that he won’t be able to play next season.

  184. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:16 pm

    Re: recruiting.

    UH has targeted California, Las Vegas, Washington and Texas. After the LaTech game, a couple of coaches went to Southern California to recruit.
    UH is trying to do the best with limited resources. They can’t just drive to the Mainland, so they have to maximize their road trips.

  185. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:18 pm

    Stephen Tsai:

    October 18th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
    Hey, I’m back in town.

    Don’t read anything into the post-game handshakes.
    UH’s support staff was hurrying the players into the locker room after the game. Idaho players got to linger a bit because of the significance of the victory.
    Pilares is actually very close to Bailey’s family. He told us that Bailey’s parents made it to the game.

    Careful now ST, those that weren’t even anywhere near Moscow, ID will accuse you of lying and hiding the facts, cause you know… they don’t wanna hear “excuses”… 🙄

    Seriously though, you gonna see a doctor about the head thing?

  186. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:21 pm


    Boise State 45
    Hawai’i 49

    End result: Plenny “certain” Hawaii folk gonna lose money and I could care less… 😆


  187. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:21 pm

    Re: D-line.
    UH lost a lot of defensive linemen the past couple of years. Just off of last year’s team, it lost Fale Laeli, Keala Watson, Josh Leonard and Francis Maka from the interior; David Veikune from the outside. Before that, it was Mike Lafaele, Siavi Seti, Amani Purcell, Karl Noa, etc.
    That’s a lot of bodies.
    I know it was suggested that UH play the youngsters. Thing is, they are playing. Geordon Hanohano and Haku Correa are freshmen.
    Unfortunately, David Hafoka is out with a herniated disk. Aaron Rink is out for the year with a lower-back injury. Zach Masch needs another year.
    I love the way Wadsworth plays, but he and Aulola Tonga are going on missions after this season.
    This really is a young team on defense. The upside is all of these guys are getting game experience.

  188. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:23 pm

    What conferences are going to make up this Saturday’s officiating crew?

  189. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:27 pm

    Re: Post-game:

    Somewhere along the way, there are people whose sole duties are to hurry people into the locker room. Not sure why, since they don’t really have post-game talks, unless it’s a close loss. Mostly, it’s when players are talking to reporters. But Pilares said really nice things about Bailey last week. Just didn’t find a place to use the comments. As it turned out, the other Hawaii-raised Vandals contributed more yesterday.

  190. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:29 pm

    There actually are no WAC crews anymore.
    Hasn’t been that way for a couple of years.
    The Big 12, WAC, MWC use combined crews.

  191. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:31 pm

    Suppose Florida and Boise State are the only unbeaten teams in the country, and everybody else has two losses.
    Does Boise State get to play in the title game?
    I’m sure it won’t be invited. But still. It would be tough to justify a two-loss team over an unbeaten one, wouldn’t it?

  192. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:38 pm

    Re: logo/nicknames.

    June Jones wasn’t motivated to change the nickname because “Rainbows” was associated with certain groups.
    Jones is a shrewd business man, and his motives were purely financial: He wanted to rebrand.
    An Advertiser columnist wrote a column once about how UH shouldn’t change its symbol. As an example, she cited a relative who wore a 20-year-old T-shirt with the UH symbol. Tradition, she claimed.
    Therein lies the problem: The guy didn’t buy a new UH shirt in 20 years. If you rebrand every so often, you can sell more goods.
    Sell more goods, make more money.
    The next thing would be to own the copyright to the new logo. But that’s another debate.

  193. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 5:38 pm


    Plenty of people lost money yesterday on Hawaii as the line moved down :-P. haha. betting is betting. its not about the team, its about making the best guess you can on a coin flip hehehe.

    while i think BSU has a good chance to cover, its always difficult when its in the 20+ pts range. So far Hawaii is 1-4 against the spread so Hawaii fan or not its hard to go up against that trend imo.

    While we have home field advantage, BSU has about 4.5 million reasons to win this game and the prestige of another possible BCS berth and if the stars align a possible shot at a national title.

    In 2007 Florida made a lot of people money as they covered all but I think 1 or 2 games.

    Then again, there is no real science that guarantees anything, its 50:50 in the end.

    Im staying out of this game and I hope the Warriors kick some butt!

  194. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 5:40 pm

    Midnight said it best….you bet with your head, not your heart.

    and even then the House alllllways wins. =( hahaha.

  195. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:40 pm

    OK, instead of posting the predicted final score, why not just predict UH’s output?

  196. Garret October 18, 2009 5:45 pm


    If everybody else has two losses, then it would be almost impossible for BSU to miss the title game. BSU has the problem that Cincy will probably end up undefeated also, and their strength of schedule is better than BSU’s. TCU’s strength of schedule will also give more computer points than BSU’s.

    The only wildcard to me is the SEC, with 3 of the top 9 teams now. In 2007 if Ohio State had lost to Michigan then the BCS would have paired LSU against Georgia in the national title game even though Georgia didn’t play in the conference championship game. Then UH would have played a team that would have been much more manageable to beat!

    I still cannot forget how Oklahoma *lost* in the Big 12 championship game and played in the BCS title game. Strength of schedule can really skew the computer results!

  197. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:45 pm

    Stephen Tsai:

    October 18th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
    Suppose Florida and Boise State are the only unbeaten teams in the country, and everybody else has two losses.
    Does Boise State get to play in the title game?
    I’m sure it won’t be invited. But still. It would be tough to justify a two-loss team over an unbeaten one, wouldn’t it?

    Nothing against Boise State, but the current “country club” will not allow this.

    I am pretty positive that the ESPN spindoctors will find a good way to justify this.

  198. Stephen Tsai October 18, 2009 5:46 pm

    The beauty of the spread is it’s dictated by the people.
    It doesn’t mean Boise State is 24 points better than UH, it means that’s the point where half will bet on one side and half on the other. If bettors feel the spread is too high, then the line moves.

  199. whitey October 18, 2009 5:46 pm

    ST, I guess the bump did not do any damage and your common sense is still in tact.

  200. Garret October 18, 2009 5:48 pm


    Actually, according to a link that I posted a couple of days ago, something like 64% of the money bet was bet on Idaho. The Vegas bookies kept dropping the line and encouraging more money to be bet on Idaho…so, most people actually made money yesterday.

    I hadn’t seen such a strange situation before with so many people betting on one team and the line moving towards encouraging more money to be bet on that team.

  201. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 5:50 pm


    Good idea. I think overall our offense has shown itself to be able to move the ball. I think once we get the “inside 20 yards” deal figured out we can put up some points and stay competitive score wise.

    I would say we put out 375 yards with 80 yards of rushing. I think we are can score about 3 touchdowns and at least 1 field goal.

  202. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:53 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Plenty of people lost money yesterday on Hawaii as the line moved down . haha. betting is betting. its not about the team, its about making the best guess you can on a coin flip hehehe.

    Last year I wrote how I believe that those local people placing money on Hawaii or against Hawaii and losing their fair share of money has greatly effected their outlook on UH football.

    Several times in 2007 the jaded couldn’t even enjoy themselves for the times UH didn’t cover the spread in their victories. In my eyes that is a part of the problem with the local fan base that can’t even name five people on this year’s defense, but they can point out 1926 stats and individual players from their “favorite” NFL team that is more than two thousand miles away.

    I can go on and on, but whatever…

  203. Garret October 18, 2009 5:53 pm

    Samson and the Raiders’ OL were praised today for their excellent play.


    LT Mario Henderson, LG Chris Morris, C Samson Satele, RG Cooper Carlisle and RT Erik Pears played a solid game. They allowed two-sacks, but at times controlled the line of scrimmage and helped Fargas get some key yardage. The mistakes were eliminated, Morris had a false start, but no infractions or miscues wrecked any drives. On a 3rd and 2 to open the 4th quarter, Juqua Parker beat Pears for a sack. One of the few noticeable plays where the offensive line was at fault.

  204. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 5:54 pm


    Correct the spread is determined by the people after it is set by where the money is going. However the initial opening line is set by a bunch of statisticians and actuaries that play the numbers game and they are more often than not pretty good and accurate.

    The way the money was being bet according to Garret should mean that the Idaho line go UP, but for some odd reason they pushed it down to get more people to bet on Idaho. Very interesting and wierd.

  205. Kazz October 18, 2009 5:54 pm

    Moniz will have over 420 TOTAL yards and complete 32 of 58 pass attempts resulting in 5 passing touchdowns with one rushing inside the 20.

  206. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 5:59 pm


    I remember seeing something like that happen about 2 years back with a Clemson game…..Very odd and could not find an explanation as to why that was the case. Wiiieerrd.

  207. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 6:03 pm


    I see where your coming from and I do agree. There are people (gamblers) out there that cant handle to lose. Its natural to not like to lose money, but if you cant lose it dont play to begin with.

    Betting on sports is in the end a coin toss and I have never felt personally ticked off with a team whether it be Hawaii or Ohio St to the point where I hold a grudge of sort for not doing what the “numbers” told me they should have done. The House always wins in the end, so for those raging on Hawaii because they can or cannot cover is silly.

  208. Kazz October 18, 2009 6:04 pm

    I personally know some people that can understand the X’s and O’s of how betting works from “A to Z” and don’t know squat about the smallest thing in the game of football.

    Then they give incomplete sentences when I press them as to why they think Hawaii’s opponent will win.


    Actual conversation I had with someone this last Sunday night.

    Person X: “Idaho is going to win and cover.”

    Me: “Think so?”

    Person X: “Yeah, they lost bad to Fresno State.”

    Me: “Fresno State has a running game and ranked 3rd nationally in overall rushing”

    Person X: “Oh wow, I didn’t know what… Yeah but still Fresno is in the WAC and we cannot stop anybody. The defense has all these seniors from last season and still no can…

    Me: “What defense? Fresno? Idaho?

    Person X: No! UH. UH get like 11 seniors on defense this year and it’s not like anyone is hurt. Dat coach making too much to lose like dat.

    Me: (In my head thinking) “(bleep) you!”

    Sad thing is, I’m not even kidding… 🙄

  209. labrat October 18, 2009 6:07 pm

    I agree with ST. Good to see young players getting some game time. It is also good for the coaches to be able to get them on tape. JJ used to say you never know what you got until you get the players in the game on film. So the players who have yet to see the field better be prepared. When you get the call you will be on film. No excuses. The film does not lie.

    Also good to see Jon getting muched deserved reps in games. If you perform when called on you should.

  210. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 6:10 pm


    Hahaha that is probably what the average bettor and the everyday average football fan thinks. And yes that is a very sad conversation to have had =(.

    There is a whole lot of information as to why one team is favored over another. It can be interesting to read the why and the who’s and all that as to what data is being analyzed to draw that spread. I’ve seen some sites where they assign numerical points to very intricate variables like home field advantage, weather, injuries etc etc and the team with the highest score is supposedly the one you choose.

    moving away from las vegas talk now hahaha. =P

  211. Derek October 18, 2009 6:11 pm

    Are we supposed to feel sorry that the defensive line is young and inexperienced? I know we lost a ton of seniors last year. But, that’s the problem….we knew what was going to happen and the coaches did not prepare for it in advance. The people of Hawaii deserve better. Sadly, we are not like other teams that win every year, like Boise St. We are not able to reload, we have to rebuild. This seems a setback w/ all the good things that June Jones did for the program. From 11-3, 12-1, 7-7 and now 2-4 and going in the wrong direction we are in dire straits. As my favorite team for the last 40 years since I got out of college, it pains me to see our team lose like the way we have been losing. But, the truth of the matter is that if we can’t stop the other people, we will lose almost every time. And that’s the difference between the Rainbow Wahine and the Warriors! The Wahine play good defense (did you see last night). That’s why they win consistently. Congratulations to Coach Shoji, coaches Sealy and Ambrozich, and the players. Good coaching and good recruiting, and I might add good blocking! Kill!!!! Wahine!!!! At least there’s something to cheer about. Man, I’m already looking forward to seeing how the basketball team will do! I hate losing.

  212. 22Tokyo October 18, 2009 6:11 pm

    The reason why the line dropped was because the “sharps” (not the public) had Hawaii on Saturday…

  213. whitey October 18, 2009 6:15 pm

    funny thing about gambling. ask anybody in hawaii where they going vacation, visit, or stopover and what is the most common answer??? Disneyland?? watch the hawaiian air commercial about the ladies who visit their favorite place and what they say. I don’t hear them say Disneyland.

  214. whitey October 18, 2009 6:18 pm

    if you look at the vb wahines roster, you will note that they recruit women from where they most likely will play in the future. i don’t know if the wahines have a full compliment of scholarships, 12, but they deserve it.

  215. madeinhawaii October 18, 2009 6:41 pm


    How can a coach that has had only 1 full season of recruiting prepare for the loss of all those seniors on defense last season? Even if he recruited only for the Defense, they’d still be freshmen and sophmores.. or reshirts and redshirt freshmen. Furthermore, the season he came in, with just a few weeks of recruiting left, we lost our skilled players on offense, including two JUNIOR receivers. So it was a scramble for him to recruit Alexander, Rausch as well as get a coaching staff together. He didn’t have Tuioti to help figure out his recruiting needs for his first season.

  216. Garret October 18, 2009 6:42 pm

    Note to the UH coaches:

    The Navy coaches showed their game plan last night against a pass-heavy offense–they dropped 8 people into pass coverage most of the game. They allowed runs and short passes and kept everything in front of them, probably because they don’t have the athleticism to stay with run-and-shoot receivers.

    JJ countered this type of defense by *running* the ball and using a TE for a lot of the game. If I was UH I would use a heavy dose of LWJ and Green, as Navy will try to confuse Moniz and capitalize on mistakes.

    One RB for SMU yesterday had 15 carries for 131 yards, plus two screen/shovel passes for 15 yards. Bo Mitchell is nowhere near as mobile as Moniz but still he had 2 rushes for 12 yards.

    The other RB (the “big back”) was used mainly in short yardage and *red zone* situations. He had 9 rushes for 34 yards and 2 rushing TDs in the red zone.

    Navy almost forced SMU to run with all of those defenders dropping into coverage, and Bo Mitchell completed less than 50% of his passes. By adjusting the offense SMU scored 35 points despite completing only 46% of their passes.

    If Navy uses the same D against UH, please *run* the ball when you see them dropping 8 into coverage. I cannot believe Navy still dropped 8 into coverage when SMU had a TE in the game…that is 6 blockers to create a hole against 3 defensive linemen.

    Looking at the game stats, it appears that SMU was in the red zone 4 times and scored TDs all 4 times. They did it by emphasizing the running game in the red zone in the first half by running for 2 TDs and then when Navy adjusted to that at halftime they threw for 2 TDs in the red zone in the second half.

  217. chawan_cut October 18, 2009 6:44 pm

    thanks for the kind words. i was hoping to make the 1000th win experience that much more fun for those in our section and those wherever gravity took them.

    i too smirked when the guy behind us asked if you were ST.

  218. Garret October 18, 2009 6:49 pm

    UH *did* get a commit from a stud DE last year, but unfortunately Tepa was convinced to switch to a Pac-10 team closer to home. Tepa’s decommit and a couple of other problems with recruits (qualifying) left the DL high school recruiting thin in Mac’s second recruiting class (first full year of recruiting). If the dominoes had fallen differently, UH would have a much stronger DL situation now, with the JCs providing immediate help and Tepa and a few others solidifying the position for future years.

    Mac did a AWESOME job right before NLI day his first year by getting Paipai to stay home. He is the type of upper-level local recruit that UH needs to get its program to the next level.

    If you just look at the bottom line, UH’s DL class was very light in high school recruits last year. However, UH has a LOT of DL commits this year from high school recruits so things could be different in a year or two.

  219. Garret October 18, 2009 6:55 pm

    If Tepa hadn’t committed early to UH, the coaches probably would have lined up a different high school DE recruit. The late decommit really hurt, and that is the risk that is taken with early recruiting. Since everybody is recruiting early, UH has to also…but keeping the best recruits away from Pac-10 schools is difficult, especially for mainland recruits whose families can just drive to the games if they stay close to home.

  220. chawan_cut October 18, 2009 6:56 pm

    tonight’s news
    some clips from shoji’s win too

  221. PIAA DS October 18, 2009 7:01 pm


    Every year at NLI signing day I make it a point when introducing the athletes who are headed to the academies to note that they are not going to college to play football, they are going to serve their country and football is just a diversion to life at the academy. Do you know, the academy football teams only practice 2 hours a day? Thats all the time they are allotted, most of the students, including the athletes, take 21 credits per semester (as opposed to 12-15 most athletes/students take) – thats 7 classes vs 4-5. There are no “easy” classes at the academies, no cake courses to take during football season.

    I do hope when Navy plays UH, UH players have the courtesy to stand during the Navy song. It shows respect for our country. I know a lot of the UH players will do it automatically, others will have to be told.

  222. Garret October 18, 2009 7:03 pm

    If Texas loses, that will be when things get *really* interesting for BSU’s BCS chances. Last year Texas had a nasty 4-game stretch (Oklahoma, Missouri, Oklahoma State, at Texas Tech) and the wear-and-tear showed in their loss to Texas Tech to end that stretch.

    This year Texas played Oklahoma in a physical game (lots of new injuries to the players), then they play at Missouri on national TV this week and then at Oklahoma State next week. They could easily lose either of those games. If they do, BSU could move up to #3 and the top 2 teams will play each other so one has to lose and drop in the polls.

    If Texas wins out then there is no way for BSU to pass them. Somebody will win the SEC title and that team will also make the national title game.

  223. djmitcho October 18, 2009 7:07 pm

    ST, Just to clarify my earlier post, what I was talking about happened outside the Kibbie Dome and not immidiately after the game. Heck, I went over to Kama Bailey and introduced myself since we are both former Monarchs.

  224. Garret October 18, 2009 7:07 pm

    I do hope when Navy plays UH, UH players have the courtesy to stand during the Navy song. It shows respect for our country. I know a lot of the UH players will do it automatically, others will have to be told.


    I agree and I hope that the players are told to do this. I cannot describe the respect I have for those who have gone through the academies and have/are serving our country. I have had close friends and coworkers go through the academies and I have a lot of friends serving in the military now.

    In my work I talk with people in the services to find out how their equipment is working in the field and what can be done to improve things and save lives. The men and women serving our country do not do it to become rich or famous, they sacrifice their time, energy, and in some cases lives for all of us.

  225. djmitcho October 18, 2009 7:07 pm

    Condolences to Ronnie and her ohana!

  226. proudvandalmom October 18, 2009 7:13 pm

    ST…just want to let you know your statement in regards to Pilares and the Bailey family being close…it is true…there will always be the bond via Damien High School…Kama Bailey’s parents was not at the game…Idaho players didn’t get to linger because of the victory…Bailey, Dickson and Siavii took it upon themselves to show their “local” hospitality to those they each knew on the Hawaii team…it just goes to prove that everyone handles a loss differently…as to your comment regarding the other Hawaii raised vandals contributed more than Kama…that was unnecessary…football is not an individual sport but a team sport…Kama did whatever he needed to do when he had to…just wish Hawaii would have kicked the ball to him…would have been nice to see Bailey return some kick returns and do what we remembered him doing back in the day……but I guess Hawaii did something right…

  227. PIAA DS October 18, 2009 7:17 pm


    thank you, keep trying to improve their equipment, keep my boy safe. Every time he’s in the air I worry about him. Just a normal mom I guess. Hes an AF Academy grad, two sport athlete. (and a former Monarch djmitcho) Hawaii sent two football players to Navy this year, three the year before, several recent football grads; alwasy a few swimmers, tennis players, baseball players. None go for the sport. Definitely not a place for everyone but a good place if thats where you want to be.

  228. classy October 18, 2009 7:18 pm

    “It’s embarrassing to our program,” said Blaze Soares, a senior linebacker. “Losing to these guys, it sucks. I never lost to them throughout my career. To lose to them my senior year, it’s just an embarrassment.

  229. Kazz October 18, 2009 7:22 pm

    Day after
    October 18th, 2009 by Stephen Tsai

    • Expect the Warriors to simplify the defensive schemes.

    Sounds about right. The 07 defeat of Boise State was very much credited to the defense as much as the offense. Coach Mack said he simplified the defensive approach and I think he used a lot of Base 4-3 not allowing his defensive players to be thrown off the multiple formations BSU uses for pretty much the same offensive plays.

    As usual we shall see what happens come Saturday.

  230. PIAA DS October 18, 2009 7:23 pm


    I hope you got to see the photos of the boys, row 2 & 3: from this years game at NMSU. Im very proud of those boys, they are doing a good job. I remember when my son was in high school, Cal Lee told me he told his team not to kick it to my son because his KR average was very high. Kale Ane said the same thing. It was essentially keep away. I am assuming UH did the same thing this week with Kama, played keep away. Last thing UH needed was for local boy Kama to break a few more KR records at Idaho while playing UH. Im sure the local boys enjoyed seeing a lot of their high school friends after the game.

  231. Kazz October 18, 2009 7:35 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
    UH *did* get a commit from a stud DE last year, but unfortunately Tepa was convinced to switch to a Pac-10 team closer to home.

    Iuta Tepa… I can’t remember, but aside from Tepa himself wanting to play for UH, pretty much everyone around him, including his mother supported that decision, except for “daddy dearest” right?

  232. Garret October 18, 2009 7:38 pm


    I think UH’s plan was to not kick the ball to Kama…unfortunately, UH’s kicker went a little too far and had two kickoffs go out of bounds. So, the threat of Kama’s return ability did change the field position in this game.

  233. Garret October 18, 2009 7:39 pm


    No that was Nobriga, not Tepa. You are mixing the two situations up.

  234. Kazz October 18, 2009 7:41 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    No that was Nobriga, not Tepa. You are mixing the two situations up.

    Ah! Dey u go!

  235. Garret October 18, 2009 7:43 pm

    Nobriga wouldn’t have helped much this year at LB in my opinion, but a stud DE like Tepa would have been very helpful this year!

  236. Kazz October 18, 2009 7:45 pm

    Time for dinner….

    Food for thought:

    “It is not the experience of today that drives us mad; it is remorse or bitterness for something which happened yesterday and the dread of what tomorrow may bring.”

  237. Kazz October 18, 2009 7:49 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
    Nobriga wouldn’t have helped much this year at LB in my opinion, but a stud DE like Tepa would have been very helpful this year!

    Sometimes I wonder that with all the bad luck we’ve had at the defensive line (i.e. Fonoti, Meatoga, E. Purcell, etc…) this season, I wonder who would have survived… 🙁

  238. Kazz October 18, 2009 7:50 pm


    What’s the prognosis for Vaughn Meatoga returning this Saturday at good health?

  239. Ralph October 18, 2009 7:53 pm

    chawan ST needs to change his avatar picture, maybe a full body shot so the guy knows there is a big difference when compared to Kekoa.

  240. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 8:14 pm

    re: Na Koa Luncheon

    Whos going? It’s tomorrow right?

  241. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 8:18 pm

    also since i probably am going, is there any questions that some of you would like me to ask?….

    ill do my best to get the answers for you.

  242. el guapo October 18, 2009 8:20 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
    Nobriga wouldn’t have helped much this year at LB in my opinion, but a stud DE like Tepa would have been very helpful this year!

    Exactly. What’s needed is a class of freshman recruits who can play right away and not need to grayshirt or redshirt, otherwise depth is going to continue to be a problem.

    Of course, easier said than done

  243. Kazz October 18, 2009 8:20 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
    re: Na Koa Luncheon

    Whos going? It’s tomorrow right?

    You might wanna call The Willows to make sure because unless they changed the schedule, it’s every Monday after every home game, so tomorrow there shouldn’t be a luncheon scheduled.

  244. Kazz October 18, 2009 8:22 pm


    WAIT!!! I’m all screwed up tonight. I think there IS a Na Koa Luncheon tomorrow because they don’t have one on the Monday of bye weeks.

    So yeah, I stand corrected.

  245. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 8:26 pm


    Yeah jus called Willows just in case. She said there is one tomorrow at 11am. Thanks!

  246. LizKauai [iMac] WARRIORS! IMUA! October 18, 2009 8:37 pm


    35-28 LizKauai


  247. LizKauai [iMac] WARRIORS! IMUA! October 18, 2009 8:37 pm

    ST- hows yer head?

  248. Ralph October 18, 2009 8:45 pm

    Alix Klinmann is playing healthier, not fully recovered but getting stronger. She had 24 kills in 75 swings in a five game loss to Oregon Ducks.

  249. LizKauai [iMac] WARRIORS! IMUA! October 18, 2009 8:45 pm

    I love the Washington Redskins.
    This year they have helped me quickly move on from UH losses.

    And then…
    Ahhh. A pedicure, jewelry shopping, Costco shopping, and a quiet day at home. Made salad out of a Costco chicken, fixed pasta primavera, dungeness crab for dinner and watched tv. And that’s how you get over the Redskins game.

  250. protector October 18, 2009 8:48 pm

    I don’t play Fantaisy Sports as some do, but I do have one sports fantasy. That UH plays out of their collective minds on Saturday & knocks Boise State out of the national picture. Yes, that would mean UH wouldn’t get that share of the collective BCS pie (probably $300 thousand to the WAC members?), but I don’t give a rip about that.


    UH 38 Boise State 28

  251. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 8:54 pm


    grrrr i know i know, o ye of little faith. but prove me WRONG warriors!

    Boise St – 42

    Hawaii – 20

  252. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 8:55 pm


    I know what you mean. My second most favorite team has always been Texas. I am a huuuuge Mack Brown fan. It’s helped me a lot to get by this season.

  253. Garret October 18, 2009 9:01 pm

    Jake Ingram played his first game in the snow today.

    “That was something I’ve never experienced before,” long snapper Jake Ingram, a University of Hawaii product, said of the day in the snow. “I’ve never played in it. So that was an experience for me.”

  254. LizKauai [iMac] WARRIORS! IMUA! October 18, 2009 9:05 pm

    Still beaming with Tsai-ko pride for Stretch and Esme!

    And sending (((HUGS))) out to the Ronnie Ohana to mark Grandma’s passing.


    Nitey Nite, Ka Kou!

  255. Garret October 18, 2009 9:08 pm

    el guapo,

    I agree with your post #242. The trouble is, those top recruits end up being wooed by the Pac-10 and other BCS conference schools…and it is hard to beat their superior facilities, TV contract, stadium, and in many cases academics. Just look at the top 10 list of Hawaii recruits this year to see how BYU and others are doing…

    Tepa was a BIG recruit that was lost shortly before NLI day. Oregon stole another recruit that UH could really use now, and that recruiting battle came down to just days before NLI day.

    I think that one reason UH gets so many JC recruits is that UH’s success rate in getting JC recruits to commit is much higher than high school recruits. So, even if the coaches try to focus on high school recruits and offer 4x more high school recruits than JC recruits, UH might end up with a 2x or less ratio between high school and JC recruits. Players like Greg Alexander can put up huge numbers at their JC and get high recruiting rankings…and get zero offers until UH comes along because the BCS schools go after the high school recruits.

  256. Garret October 18, 2009 9:10 pm


    I didn’t realize that your second favorite team is Texas! They are my second favorite team also…I attended all of their home games for 9 football seasons and cheer for them in all games except against UH. I even took my co-op internship at JPL during a Spring and summer semester so I ended up with an extra Fall semester in my undergrad years.

  257. Garret October 18, 2009 9:11 pm

    Free play link time. Please ignore my next 5 posts if you do not want to read the off-topic stuff.

    Florida mom left her 3 toddlers home alone for *2 days*. When she came home and discovered her 18-month-old (who weighed just 11 pounds!) had died, she put her body in the trash can at her back door.

  258. Garret October 18, 2009 9:12 pm

    Man committed suicide but his body sat decomposing for 3 days because neighbors thought his lifeless figure was part of a Halloween display.

  259. Garret October 18, 2009 9:12 pm

    The city of Stockholm, Sween has been shooting thousands of wild rabbits each year and burning the bodies for heating fuel!

  260. Garret October 18, 2009 9:13 pm

    Study found that people often use “motivated reasoning” when sorting through new information or arguments that contradicts what they already believe. The researchers found that even when people were presented with evidence from trusted sources, many would use questionable or contorted logic to ignore the evidence instead of changing their minds on the issue.

  261. Garret October 18, 2009 9:13 pm

    About half of the people in India (665 million people) do not have access to toilets. However, the India government started a “No Toilet, No Bride” campaign two years ago that encouraged women to refuse to marry unless their suitor puts a bathroom in their future home. Since the campaign started, 1.4 million toilets have been built in the northern state of Haryana.

  262. Garret October 18, 2009 9:14 pm

    Free play links pau.

  263. protector October 18, 2009 9:17 pm

    Derek on # 211

    I understand some of your frustration. But when you compare the Warriors to the Wahine VB team (and I also am a fan of both), you really are talking about apples & oranges. Aside from the fact that VB only requires 6 players to play at any one tiime and there are fewer positions to specialize in, I think that many of the finest female high school VB players really consider UH as a viable primary option, whereas many of male high school football recruits (or volleball for that matter) seldom think of UH as a viable option. Case in point-Manti Teo who did not even have UH in his top 5. Why did Dave Shoji’s boys never consider playing for UH?

    I still feel that over the years, some coaching staffs (for whatever reason) have recommended those players to go away. It always seemed to me that players from Iolani, Punahou, etc. inordinately & disproportionately ended up at USC & Stanford. That’s why I think it’s encouraging that players like Schutter (Punahou), Falemalu (Kahuku) & others have opted to stay home (reversing a trend / pattern. That trend / pattern hasn’t automatically been followed in women’s VB, luckily for Dave Shoji.

    As for UH’s D-LIne, even though we lose some, the young players that have been getting experience & transfers coming in make me optimistic.

  264. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 9:18 pm


    awesome! one day i am going to make it a point to attend a game at Texas Memorial.

    ive been tippy toeing this season hoping that Mccoy will be able to take the Longhorns through the stretch and go undefeated! Its been toooooo long since their last National Championship hahaha!

  265. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 9:19 pm



  266. Garret October 18, 2009 9:26 pm

    According to the Sagarin ratings, UH is the #112th rated team in the country. Central Arkansas is actually right above UH at #111–their record is 4-2. Weber State is at #115. UNLV is #120. NMSU is #152. BSU is #4.

  267. A-House October 18, 2009 9:30 pm

    PIAA DS:

    Last time UH played Navy, wife and I noticed that the entire Navy team assembled near the Hawaii players for UH alma mater then trotted over to their side for their song.

    That’s real class!!!

    Wonder if UH will reciprocate this year?

  268. Kazz October 18, 2009 9:32 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
    Man committed suicide but his body sat decomposing for 3 days because neighbors thought his lifeless figure was part of a Halloween display.



    I promise to you that I didn’t click on the link so I don’t know what part of the country this story came from.


    My top three guesses (IN ORDER) are:

    1) California (probably a suburb in LA)
    2) Some town in Iowa.
    3) Alaska

  269. protector October 18, 2009 9:34 pm


    It was nice getting to meet you in person at Genji. You must be happy that your team managed to dodge the bullet yesterday, as did Florida & Alabama. It looked as if Oklahoma would edge Texas & wangle their way back into the national picture even without Bradford, but that’s a tall order & I give credit to Texas for taking care of business.

    Still, it would’ve been a very intriguing weekend if Texas, Florida & Alabama had all gone down. Does that mean Cinci & Boise State would’ve been # 1 and # 2 ? The whole country would’ve been in an uproar!

  270. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 9:37 pm



    the good news is we rank higher than Illinois and Vanderbelt. =)

    bad news is we rank below Elon (wut the heck?), Buffalo, and Delaware. hahahaha.

  271. Kazz October 18, 2009 9:37 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
    PIAA DS:

    Last time UH played Navy, wife and I noticed that the entire Navy team assembled near the Hawaii players for UH alma mater then trotted over to their side for their song.

    That’s real class!!!

    Wonder if UH will reciprocate this year?


    Im not worried about the UH football players as much as the fans…

    Lord knows we know how some, Hawaii “fans” get when we struggle.

    If they have NO CLASS towards our own team as players and as people, we’ve seen what they can be capable of towards opponents… 🙄

    Then again, those very same people may win money off Hawaii if we lose to Navy so maybe they’ll be happy after the game. 🙄 … 🙄

  272. Garret October 18, 2009 9:38 pm


    Cayman Shutter decommitted from New Mexico after UH offered him a scholarship. New Mexico isn’t exactly the same as the USC and Stanford in your analogy…they don’t even play UH like Idaho or NMSU.

    I agree on Paipai being a big commit. One of the best things that Mac did after getting hired was make his home visits to the North Shore and get Paipai and Tonga to commit to UH. UH has been opening a pipeline to Kahuku that could be very, very important for the program.

    For Shoji’s boys, I figured the academics at Stanford were the draw. I know a *lot* of professors at UH that freely admit the difference in academics between the schools.

  273. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 9:40 pm


    yes great meeting you too!

    you know if they all went down and Boise and Cinci came up to 1/2 that would be pretty awesome to see what people would be saying. haha.

    As for Texas, sometimes it matters whether you win by an inch or by a mile…but when it comes to that game, winning is winning!

    If Hawaii doesn’t TCB (take care of business) on Saturday, I would love to see Boise play either a Texas or a Florida. Honestly I am a huge Texas fan but just for the sake of watching, I would LOVE for Boise to play and BEAT an SEC team.

  274. Garret October 18, 2009 9:40 pm


    The man was in Marina del Rey, a pretty nice city in LA County.

  275. protector October 18, 2009 9:43 pm


    Your post on # 260 finally gives me an explanation of why there is the existence of Rush Limbaugh’s “dittoheads” & Bush’s “supporters” – could never figure out any reasonable rationale before.

  276. Kazz October 18, 2009 9:47 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
    Man committed suicide but his body sat decomposing for 3 days because neighbors thought his lifeless figure was part of a Halloween display.

    I can see this happening in the Hawaii Kai area…

    Only thing different is that the neighbors would complain to the neighborhood board that the “display” is an eyesore and “how bad it is for them that they have to drive by it everyday and look at it”… 🙄

  277. Molokasa October 18, 2009 9:49 pm

    Думается, если долго стараться, даже самую сложную мысль можно так подробно раскрыть.

  278. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 9:52 pm


    I can say I was the biggest underachiever from my family. hahaha. By choice though as I did get into some decent schools out of state.

    But anyway it is true, both from my families personal experiences going to both UH and places like Stanford, UC-Berkely, Columbia and Harvey Mudd (Part of Claremont), there is a big difference in academics not just at the level of academic stewardship by professors etc, but also by the shear number of opportunities available.

    Looking at the social science field (political science for this case), one can expect a limited number of courses offered at UH. While if you went to UCLA or Stanford you could expect a wider range of courses offering various subjects sometimes taught by Professors who’s works on political discourse are being used to teach kids at other Universities.

    That’s not to say that you can’t get a great education at UH, but there are notable differences.

  279. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 18, 2009 10:04 pm

    btw before I start getting hate mail for my comments on UH academics haha.

    I ended up really enjoying it here and learned quite a bit of things from my professors that allowed me to apply what I learned to some real life policy issues.

    So really don’t mistake me for a UH academics basher. I was just pointing out the differences.

  280. protector October 18, 2009 10:08 pm

    Garret on # 272

    Good & valid points. I agree that Schutter didn’t exactly fit the analogy I was trying to make (I was just talking about any high profile talent coming from the aforementioned schools). And I DO have to acknowledge the quality of the academics at Stanford, USC, UCLA, Washington, Cal, etc. (but not necessarily Oregon, Arizona, ASU- in those cases, it’s the facilities, I think). Paipai was more of a case where previously there was no way we get him (and Tachibana) over USC if it WASN’T for Coach Mac rebuilding recruitment bridges. In Schutter’s case, I feel he paves the way for a pipeline to develop even if we didn’t have a snowball’s chance for Teo & Toma.

    I hope the recruiting team has been truly scrutinizing the high school scene, because it seems to me that the number & quality of the potential D-1 (or FBS, whatevah) recruits has gone through a quantum leap (esp. on the D). Coach Mac, to me, has shown foresight & business acumen by setting up those Junior Days & that strategy is obviously paying dividends in terms of community & public relations as well as actual early commitments. Kudos for that.

  281. westsidesview October 18, 2009 10:39 pm

    Donks 45
    warriors 10

  282. el guapo October 18, 2009 10:52 pm

    Garret, re #255,

    All I really want is one Niko or Al type of player. Is that too much? 🙂

  283. tattoo October 18, 2009 11:04 pm

    Boise State 49-3 over our top fantasy team.

    BTW, Dave Shoji and his work product over 35 years is astonishing. What fortune he has brought to our State.
    Although DS n staff have done a great job this year,
    I believe most will not deny that Penn State and Texas are on a level unto themselves. These two teams are simply head and shoulders above the rest.
    Still, our wahine are special and are playing at a high level.
    Hope they dont get bunched with PSU or Texas in the regionals.
    It would be wonderful to see this group play in Tampa.

  284. labrat October 18, 2009 11:07 pm

    UH 20 – BS 17

  285. dittohead October 18, 2009 11:13 pm

    “Alabama or LSU will win the SEC-west and play Florida, SEC-east in the SEC playoff….the loser in the SEC playoff will not be selected to play in the National Title game in Pasadena….
    Of course it is all moot if Texas goes unbeaten, wins the B12 playoffs and either Fla, ALAB and LSU emerge as SEC Champs with one loss or less”.

    Thanks, I agree.

  286. Kekoa October 18, 2009 11:23 pm

    Protector ~ Not defending Rush L., but just curious about why you made such a blanket statement about him and the former Prez.

    Your #275 can apply to non-dittoheads as well. Over 20 million listeners have been loyal to him for over 25 years. Not one liberal talk show host has lasted over 25 months. The ‘drive-by’ media Rush refers to is the mainstream press that love to pile on Rush. I admire the way he takes ’em on and pokes his finger in their eye!

    You have to ask yourself, why his detractors cannot mount a viable program to counter attack. Why they have no suitable challenger.

    You can’t discount the numbers, or the collection of patriotic Americans who listen to this man. The majority of our service men and women are listeners. As evidenced by the uproar when Armed Forces Network was about to pull his program off of military stations around the world. He raises more money for the Marines during their annual fundraiser than any other charity drive on any major radio program.

    One of Rush’s problem is…he’s right sometimes, and he punishes people who can’t wrap their thinking around his thinking. He will beat down the people who do not support his ideas. That’s where he loses his fight to make himself more credible.

    Many black Americans are also Rush fans, despite what the NFL owners like people to think. His owning a football team was a ‘takeaway’ move by people who hate him. It had nothing to do with football. That’s what I think is not fair. They punish him without knowing how much he has done to solve racial issues, and cares about this great American pastime.

    Another problem he has is his high and mighty attitude of “meeting & exceeding” broadcast excellence…huh?! Excellence as measured by his peers?…the people?…who?

    So Protector you hit on a media celeb that is an enigma! Ha ha…he’s a legend in his own mind!

    btw are you coming out to the next T-gate? We can kick things around in mild discussion. Arm wrestle if we can’t solve things by game time. Hehehe!

  287. Slugger October 18, 2009 11:35 pm


    I was thinking about going to the luncheon. It depends on what I’m doing earlier in the day. I was thinking of playing tour guide before some people have to go to the airport. We’ll see… Might see you there.

    Night all!

  288. Kekoa October 18, 2009 11:37 pm


    October 18th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
    Думается, если долго стараться, даже самую сложную мысль можно так подробно раскрыть.


    Таким Как долго вы должны подумать, прежде чем вы осознаете свою являются babbaling идиот?

    (Why am I addressing ‘bots?)…

  289. Kekoa October 18, 2009 11:38 pm

    G’nite Slugger…I’m heading to the land of nod myself now. See you on the weekend.

  290. protector October 19, 2009 12:01 am

    Hey Kekoa,

    Had some obligations previously, but am going to do my best to make this coming T-gate.

    As for Limbaugh & Bush, I’ll probably have alienated a lot of people for my stance, but it is what it is. Although I admit that Rush is entertaining & witty, the thing I can’t abide by is his chronic presenting of pathological lies, inaccuracies & bastardizations & spin-doctoring of the truth. He often says to listeners, don’t bother to listen to the TV or radio-just listen to me. He’s a demagogue with the gift of gab but if 40+% of the mean-spirited stuff you spew is “crappola”, I don’t have to buy it. His listeners aren’t discriminating enough to to realize it when he passes his b.s. for the truth. The same goes for Hannity & a number of wannabes. The reason why he has such a big military following is that liberal stations haven’t been allowed access to the military network(s), keeping a monoply to brainwash people into thinking liberals & progressives are anti-military and unpatriotic–he paints liberals with a broad brush there unfairly. Most liberals I know are anti-War, but not anti-Military as they are portrayed & certainly no more unpatriotic than conservatives although that “card/cards” are constantly played.

    Bush, though not as intelligent or articulate, wielded power during his tenure but didn’t use it for the good of the people, but rather, decided to lie to the Congress & the American people & screwed the Middle & Lower socioeconomic Classes in anumber of ways. Prevented cheaper prescription drugs by disallowing access to Canadian pharmacies & preventing the nation at large to negotiate as a group with the pharmaceutical companies. This in addition to tax breaks for the wealthy which was rationalized by saying it would stimulate the economy. Pure B.S. because wealthy people don’t spend that money, they sock it away. It’s the average joes & jills that spend money on products & services that do the stim. The tax breaks endangered Social Security,etc. People have been robbed of personal & civil liberties throught the Patriot Act with the collusion of the majority or the Republican (with a minority of the Democratic) Party(ies). Don’t even get me started on the NCLB fiasco.

  291. G (China) October 19, 2009 12:39 am


    As a sports blog, let’s leave politics out unless you want people to respond to your remarks.

  292. Kekoa (iPhone) October 19, 2009 12:47 am

    Good points Protector. Sometimes the people closest to Rush are the real truth detectors he speaks of. His 2nd wife is a perfect example.

    Bush tried to live up to this cardboard image of a President. He just couldn’t pull it off. The facade broke down shortly after the initial 4th ID push thru Iraq.

    Still, the liberals don’t have a champion. So Rush and Sean Hannity continue to rule conservative talk radio.

  293. protector October 19, 2009 1:06 am


    I see what you mean. An off-handed, spontaneous comment can sometimes open up an unwanted can of worms. Political & religious discussions aren’t always worth the adversarial conflict they can often generate. My bad.

  294. protector October 19, 2009 1:12 am

    Hey Kekoa,

    Where is the T-gate held? Do you have a standard location or does it change game-to-game?

  295. royvic October 19, 2009 2:05 am

    To Coach Mack,

    Doing your own eyeball test. And even looking at statistical data. And even hypothesizing it would seem the reason why your team is unproductive in the second halves in games this year is that a lot of the players are running out of gas.

    Fatigued athletes in any sport fizzle towards the end of competition. And conversely conditioned athletes sizzle at the end of competition.

    You know this. But it bares repeating. So maybe it might prompt you into shaking the tree and doing something about this.

    The players need the guidance in being in peak physical condition. Because it makes them better players.

    Doing the eyeball test it seems that the UH players are out of shape. A few of them you can see them breathing hard, and this is in the first quarter. The impression I have is that the reasons as to why there’s very few exchanges of players exhorting each other on the field and on the sidelines is that the said players are trying to conserve their energy.

    The players play flat more so because they’re probably fatigued.

    You’d be in denial if you don’t see them with their hands on their hips and their chests heaving up and down faster then it should, which suggests some of the players are winded and fatigued.

    Furthermore, when I look at the other team’s players you don’t see the predominance of overweight and fat bellies on them as compared to the UH players.

    Looking at the statistical data you might hypothesis that it might be collaborating evidence that the reason as to why the team hasn’t scored any points this season in the third quarter in any of the games this year is that the players are fatigued.

    What you do from here in correcting this, though, may be your defining moment as a head coach. For you know that the person responsible for leading your strength and conditioning is a popular figure. And he’s been around awhile.

    You’d be remiss in to playing favorites. And it could haunt you in your head coaching duties if you did.

    What I said I hope touches you because heaven knows that the players need not to be soft.

  296. Kekoa (iPhone) October 19, 2009 2:14 am

    Protector ~ We’re at the Cabana’s near the Schooner Restaurant at Pearl. SteveM has the location mapped on his website. We have coffee on by about 09:30. The grill team has the animal parts cooking until it’s all burnt. A constant parade of awesome home dishes begin by 10 AM.

    Then, we always have this burdensome task of eating about 40 lbs of deelicious food before we end up throwing it all away!

    Main thing is, there is plenty of time for discourse and football chatter.

  297. Kekoa (iPhone) October 19, 2009 2:25 am

    G(china) ~ So sorry, I share the blame with Protector. It caught my eye because of the NFL owners refusing entry into their elite ownership clique. So much for free enterprise!

    It just spilled over into the ugly arena of politics when I got on my soap box. My apologies, I’ll try to be more careful.

  298. RainbowCliff October 19, 2009 2:49 am

    Good Morning Tsaiko Nation: First and foremost my condolences go out to our Calf Call President Ronnie Tafoya on the passing of her Grandmother. Ronnie is a GREAT lady and die hard fan for the Warrior football team. I have been so IMPRESS with her knowledge of the team and football history in general. A WONDERFUL mother with the most handsome and polite son you ever want to meet. Miss Tafoya is FIRST CLASS and is highly respected, admire and love by MANY who enjoy her company and PROUD to call her a fellow TSAIKO !

    God bless you Ronnie during this trying time for you and your love ones.

    IWonderwhytheyhateme: Kind sir I will NEVER hate you but love you like a BROTHER ! Thank you for reading my post as I would like to clarify to you and ALL other interested blog readers on my statements yesterday regarding LA H.S. Recruiting.

    First & Foremost “I LOVE HAWAII” plain and simple. My loyalty for you good folks will never end as you gave me the GREATEST experience of my life playing in front of young and old adoring fans, going to a GREAT University and studying under some brillant college professors and living the life among locals in which you showered me with love, adulation and affection. Once a BOW always a BOW through and through !

    As I stated yesterday I am SMACK in the middle of LA area H.S. football as I am accessible to every aspect of what that HS sport has to offer, it’s coaches, educational administrators, parents and players that make this situation so appealing and easy. I KNOW I can recruit as that is what I do everyday in bringing young children to my program at the Al Wooten Center.

    Parent’s LOVE me and I am highly respected in the community as one of it’s most prominent male educational leaders in which I will be honored on the 28th of this month for my dedicated service to the children of South Central Los Angeles at my safe haven “The Al Wooten Center”.

    My understanding is this “I cannot have NOTHING to do with assisting Hawaii in recruiting. I am consider an alumnus/booster and at NO time I can scout, talk to a player or even inquire about his transcript with his parent right in front of me as that will be an NCAA violation and U of H Athletic Department will be under severe investigation and face possible penalties of probation and I know this to well with me being victimize my first year coming in to play for you good folks with the Honolulu Ford commercial that the previous players committed and I and my 1976 team had to face 2 years of probation in which we did nothing wrong but at the RIGHT place at the wrong time. Despite the probation had a WONDERFUL time !

    To this point I have not talk to NO ONE as all I have done is watch with my eyes and survey the GREAT possibilities as the potential of players are unlimited here in Los Angeles. Our College Trak program at the Center is TOP NOTCH as we concentrate on getting them academically sound early by the 3rd grade and up with our SAT prep program the BEST in Los Angeles.

    My understanding with Coach Mack philosophy that was told to me by a RELIABLE source that “Mack had made a public order on how they are going to recruit mainland players who are polynesian or have some link to Hawaii (which could be their family or coach). Mac said it isn’t worth their time to fight for mainland recruits that don’t have a Hawaii link. So, he wouldn’t care about the LA high school recruits”.

    That statement right there says to me “why waste my time” I cannot get involve in which you have ZERO chance of getting anyone from LA with out my imput as Mack can come down himself but the athlete, parents and educational administrators want Rainbowcliff PRESENT because of the TRUST and RESPECT they have for me.

    Mack attitude towards “Having Polynesian Background” is highly dissapointing as it is like having a brother and he is given away for adoption but when he gets older he comes back as he still is your BROTHER as denying that will make yo like Peter when he denied Jesus.

    I am very hurt by that comment as it feels I have NO meaning to this era of Hawaii athletics and my time was then when LA athletes were dominating Hawaii sports but not now because the requirement is “Polynesian background or link to Hawaii”

    All I know is that I tried to help and I am TIRED of getting my face slammned by the door. So I just watch Pete and Rick keep getting players from my area, set them up legitimally in our sat prep program and when next year come and you see the Trojans or Bruins it won’t be a pretty site as they will be LOADED with talent from the inner city the same inner city that I mentored many of the cousins, nephews and nieces of that GREAT player who dawns cardinal gold or blue and gold NOT Warrior green, black and white.


  299. Barvinla October 19, 2009 2:52 am

    Млин, спамеры просто достали уже этим своим примитивом!

  300. iwonderwhytheyhateme October 19, 2009 3:23 am


    Thanks so much for the clarification ! ( I would also like to copy and paste this on tomorrows blog since everyone’s probably asleep).

    It’s terrific you want to help Hawaii in getting some of the recruits that are there in LA! Even if we cannot get the prime candidates that UCLA and USC may get, hey the 2nd or 3rd choice would be a big time player in the WAC!

    I’m sorry that you have found it difficult to help and I for one do not know what the limitations and boundaries are.

    If what you are saying about ONLY RECRUITING kids with ties to Hawaii and/or Polynesian decent is true, someone or something has lost it.

    From following recruiting from only a few schools I have interest in (notably Texas, Florida, USC) I know they do want kids who have an affinity or connection to the school, however it is not the end and be all. I haven’t heard of any school that has such an exclusive policy re: their recruits.

    This all sounds really strange to me. I will try and ask this question at tomorrows luncheon and see if I can get a straight forward answer from the coach. Although oddly, its unbelievably believable…if that makes any sense.

    Mahalo Cliff!

  301. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 4:01 am


    your message to Coach Mack, I agree with you 1000%.

    i’m asking iwonderwhytheyhateme to ask for me at the luncheon today:
    this question:

    “how low can we go?”

    part of the problem is that Coach
    Mack is allowing GQ kine coaches.
    look at em, it shows.

    you wanna know wats really boilin my butt?

    bottom line:

    you’re gonna scrap. no make like Zorn. please no make like Zorn.

    cuz oddawize, my suggestion to you is to save your $$
    cuz dis train isa cume to a halt, no ifs anz or butz! look at
    Garret’s post on da trenz.

    you no need Harvard or Stanford tutorial fo read dat kine ti leaf.

  302. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 4:20 am

    UH is supposed to be a high class football racket…

    are we?

    we’re letting the “away” kids dictate what UH is? so wat we get Hawaii kids playing at plenny mainland schools, doing good scholastically and footbally an basebally, volleybally, yada yada.

    what is UH doing to help the Hawaii kids who stay Hawaii get a great education, and tie in to jobs afta school? who is helping Tuioti take his recruiting to the next level? is Mufi helping? is the fire chief helping? is the police chief helping? Is Lingle helping? are the mayors helping? who is the laiason?

    we need direction… that is where James Donovan could shine, if only he’d think and do.

    the blames start at the top… i no i no, 4 years. you can tell i ain’t waiting till year 4 to start hoping for good results. i’m hoping for hope to show its face now. i’m hoping that i can see what the plan is for next September 4.

  303. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 4:26 am

    nice to know Avery is using the JUGS machine. hope Pilares and Taylor follow his lead.

  304. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 4:34 am


    before I make my prediction, I gotta get my sleuths go investigate if
    Aranda is showing up for work at 5:00 am sharp. an if Ron Lee is showing up at 5:30 a.m. and enjoying his job. and what time Greg McMackin showing up at da office?

    because part of the job is preparing for this Saturday. and part of the job is making the calls to the highly sought after mainland recruits.

    that is why the loss of last year’s Okla standout WR is frustrating…we coulda known earlier on whats da haps wit dat kid.


    maybe you could ask Coach Mack how that happened, with the Okla kid, and what measures has he taken to assure that don’t happen again to another mainland recruit?

    and maybe you could also ask him, since a lot of good players from Hawaii seem destined to go away this year, (thats the vibes we’re getting from the boards and publications anyways) what measures is he taking to fill the gap in linemen with recruits from the mainland this year?

  305. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 4:43 am

    wonderin aloud,

    since we got plenny QBs, why are we gonna get 1 QB this year? why waste a schollie on a QB this year?

    if Iuta wuz dat good, why didn’t we offer him, or ome of the other linemen recruits, a schollie right then and there, to come to Hawaii right then and there? favoritism Rolovich’s section? why? he’s got umpteen QBs. my point is, we got a walk on starting QB, versus all those QBs who were hand picked to come here to QB. wth?

  306. letsgowarriors October 19, 2009 4:46 am

    one of the LA Harbor JC coaches is trying hard to get a couple of his players to UH, hes doing it proactively, but the coaches wont even return his emails/inquiries. sad.

  307. Garret October 19, 2009 4:47 am


    According to some of the word going around, UH might actually look to get *2* freshmen QBs this year. If UH gets 1 QB this year and gives Moniz a scholarship in the offseason (if he’s the starting QB UH has to give him a scholarship and let him stop delivering pizzas at night), then UH would have more scholarship QBs than any other team in the country I believe.

  308. letsgowarriors October 19, 2009 4:49 am

    talia crichton is/was a better DE prospect than iuta tepa. i believe mack offered him as well but he ended up going with sark. crichton woulda been a huge pick up.

  309. Garret October 19, 2009 4:50 am


    I have been following the posts from that LA Harbor JC coach. He even has JC recruits that have 4 years to play 3, which are the best type of JC recruits to get and almost like getting freshmen who have already proven themselves at a level higher than high school.

    Didn’t that coach even mention that Lumpkin is an alum of LA Harbor JC? And his recruits are ending up at Pac-10 and Big 12 schools, with UH not even bothering to return his calls?

  310. Garret October 19, 2009 4:52 am


    I didn’t mention the recruits that didn’t commit to UH in my posts last night–too many in that category and they weren’t close to being Warriors.

  311. Garret October 19, 2009 4:54 am

    Unlike RainbowCliff, a JC coach has NCAA permission to talk with D-IA coaches about his players and can help them get scholarships without limitations. To alienate a head coach that is *trying* to help the Warriors get some excellent players is pretty strange. Warrior fans even gave him the contact information for UH coaches and he reported back that nobody was answering his e-mails/phone calls.

  312. letsgowarriors October 19, 2009 4:54 am

    yup, to me the 2 biggest are Feemster, CB and Gaudin, SB. feemster only has 2/2, so i guess its understandable, but this same coach told us we’re getting a player in bryant which is pretty much true. he is saying bryant is great but feemster is phenominal. gaudin has 4/3. hes from florida but i believe he played qb in HS. very under the radar due to injuries which would be a steal for us since all of our SBs are gone after 2010.

    the guy he was trying to get to hawaii last year is a starting DE for Kentucky. we dont need any help at DE though, so i can see why mack passed on him….

  313. Garret October 19, 2009 4:59 am

    I think that Mac’s rationale regarding the mainland recruits is that UH has a limited recruiting budget and has to spend its money wisely. Having coaches go to the mainland to visit schools to talk with coaches and to make home visits is expensive. Bringing recruits to UH for official visits is expensive. JD increased the recruiting budget from $50k to $120k, plus I figure the 100 free round-trips on Hawaiian Air for recruiting is worth another $50k, but UH still has limited recruiting resources.

    One thing that Cliff didn’t mention is that Pete Carroll is after many of his students and the SAT prep class may be helping some USC recruits get the required scores to be eligible. If wish that year-round services like the Wooten Center provides would be free and available in Hawaii.

  314. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 4:59 am


    so the word is that UH coaches are not even bothering to return calls to the LA Harbor JC coach? and Lumpkin is a grad of that JC?

    is that good or bad? if you ask me, that tellz me that our coaching decisions are BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD!!! !!!! B A D

    and our coaches wanna give 2 more QB scholarships this year to freshman? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

    what are they doing with the rest of the QBs? stand in the chow line?

  315. Garret October 19, 2009 5:01 am


    I didn’t want to point out that UH ignored that coach last year also. Yes, I’m sure that the thin DE position could not use a DE that is now starting in the SEC…whose coach was willing to try to get him to attend UH!

  316. Garret October 19, 2009 5:02 am


    The strange thing is that Jeramy Bryant came from that JC and is now playing for the Warriors. But UH apparently didn’t want other recruits from that JC, including a DE that started right away in the SEC this year.

  317. Garret October 19, 2009 5:04 am

    I’ve refrained from posting a lot of the above info here, but the discussions are going on elsewhere. If UH won’t call the Harbor JC coach, then it isn’t surprising that Cliff’s repeated e-mails weren’t responded to.

  318. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 5:05 am


    all da info you giving me is DEPRESSING! !

    so, who do you think is making these S U C K I N G decisions?

    i mean, sorry Tsaikos, but I REFUSE to take us becoming the Washington Redskins of the WAC lying down.

    We’ve got a firm lock being da bottom feeder of the WAC right now, and we gotta chance to get a firmer lock on da spot this Saturday, and I
    REFUSE to take dat lying down.

    C’mon Warriors. C’mon Coaches. RETURN YOUR PHONE CALLS from
    your admirers.

  319. Garret October 19, 2009 5:06 am

    I’m going away from the blog before I bring up some other stuff.

  320. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 5:10 am


    are you telling me that UH Football Coaches are not returning calls to RainbowCliff either? Nor to the LA Harbor JC Coach?
    you must have your facts wrong!~ you must be joking.

    Mack couldn’t be that stupid.

    None of his Coaches assigned to recruit in the LA area would be that stupid not to return those calls.

    there must be a reasonable explanation. maybe they called and the lines were busy. 😆

  321. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 5:15 am


    do tell!

    I going change my name to Kazz’s son. da newz is depressing.

    and the newz matches the results on the football field. PERFECT.

    just PERFECT! :EVIL:

    Hold on Blaze. Gumps isa coming to the rescue! This news SUCKS!

  322. letsgowarriors October 19, 2009 5:17 am

    its not like the harbor coach is trying to get his entire team to UH, its just a couple of good players each year. all mack and co. need to do is return his email and tell him, this year we’re looking X and X positions from the JC level. send me tapes of those position guys from your team you think could help us.

    i know its really not that simple, but you dont waste much energy and time when the JC coach is doing the work for you.

  323. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 5:17 am



  324. Kouba October 19, 2009 5:20 am

    Hmm… I read blogs on a similar topic, but i never visited your blog. I added it to favorites and i’ll be your constant reader.

  325. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 5:25 am


    sometimes it takes a pain in da butt to get things moving.



    hope you’re reading this blog today


    THE WORD ON THE STREET IS OUR COACHING DECISION MAKING SUCKS. the word is they are thinkin a recruitin 2 more QBs. what are we gonna do with the extra QBs? stand em in da chow line?

    sure looks like we training coaches to take over Jim Zorn’s job.

  326. Hank October 19, 2009 5:27 am

    …the testosterone is really flowing this morning….

  327. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 5:33 am

    how am i supposed to react to news that the coaches are not returning phone calls to JC Coaches, or that they’re thinking of recruiting 2 QBs this year? bewildered? confused? go rah rah? pftt….

  328. bighilofan2 October 19, 2009 5:35 am


    see you laters, and thanks for the info.

    i’m gonna da the walkabout…. again, the
    truth is depressing …

  329. whitey October 19, 2009 6:27 am

    good morning Tsaikos. am getting ready to go out the door, so have a great day and will catch up with you laters!!!

  330. protector October 19, 2009 6:34 am

    What I’m reading is very distressing. I understand perhaps if they don’t contact RainbowCliff as I can see it could cause potential violations. However, failing to contact the JC coach seems to go contra to the direction the team should be heading. Simple courtesy & class dictate that it should be addressed quickly.

  331. Pomai October 19, 2009 6:37 am

    We will not quit on this team!!!!!
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  332. Derek October 19, 2009 12:57 pm

    What we need is pass rushers first and foremost, then run stuffers. Offensive line for the future looks bleak unlesss a miracle happens. We lose 5 senior starters on the line. The backups have had little experience. Because we throw almost every down if we can’t protect our QB it’s all over. I’m real concerned. Boise St. 59, UH 13. You gotta call it as you see it! Things can’t change in just one week. The signs are just bad, bad, bad right now. The trends for the last 5 games since the UNLV game where we couldn’t stop them show that future opponents see how to expose us by looking at our film. The other guys are not stupid….they now how to beat us. Since we got 7 turnovers at Wash. St. we haven’t had many turnovers to keep us in the game. It’s like the dam burst and we can’t stop it.

  333. John October 22, 2009 8:27 pm

    Boise State thinks going to play Hawaii is just a vacation stop off half way through the season on their way to the Fiesta Bowl or the National Championship. They lack R-E-S-P-E-C-T . Warriors play hard, play clean, play smart, YOU CAN DO IT (drink an extra glass of water the day before)GO WARRIORS!

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