Regents approve athletics fee

The Board of Regents today approved a measure that would impose a $50-per-semester athletics fee on all UH-Manoa students.

In exchange, students will be able to use school IDs to gain free admission to all UH home sporting events.

The fee will be implemented Jan.1, although students are expected to be able to earn free admission starting in mid-September.

The athletic department is expect to earn $2 million annually from the fee — none of which will go to salaries.

The Regents heard testimony from 18 speakers this morning — 11 were opposed, six were in favor, one said to really think about it — listened to a presentation from chancellor Virginia Hinshaw and athletic director Jim Donovan, and then held a Q & A session.

After that, they had a break for lunch, then went into execute session before approving the proposal.

Two things were evident from today’s session: 1) the athletic department needs the money to maintain its programs, and 2) there are a lot of pressing needs on the Upper Campus.


  1. BIGWAVE96744 July 15, 2010 7:56 am

    good morning all.. VOTE FOR THE FEE!

  2. chopsueyboy July 15, 2010 7:57 am


  3. chopsueyboy July 15, 2010 7:57 am

    Good Morning Tsai-kos!

  4. tommui July 15, 2010 7:58 am

    Howdy Good People!

  5. Lux Painter July 15, 2010 7:58 am

    Morning Folks!

  6. tommui July 15, 2010 7:59 am

    To fee or not to fee – that is the question.

  7. (Jesse) James July 15, 2010 8:05 am

    Woo hoo TOP TEN….!!!!

    Good morning Tsaikos.

  8. Slugger July 15, 2010 8:18 am

    Good Morning!

    I support the fee. Off to the meeting…

  9. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 8:18 am

    If you would like to help our alma mater, please make out and send your check to:

    University of Hawaii Foundation
    Bachman Hall
    2444 Dole Street
    Honolulu, HI 96822

    Or call 956-8849 for more information. Your donation is tax-deductible.


  10. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 8:19 am

    Hi, everybody! aloha!

  11. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 8:21 am

    Someone, whose boyfriend used to be a research scientist at UH, told me that the campus rumor is UH-West Oahu will become the main campus and the Manoa campus will be scaled down considerably.

    Has anybody heard this rumor, too???

  12. Da Punchbowl Kid July 15, 2010 8:22 am

    Good Morning Gangeez!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    Top 20!

    Fee? Fine! Fantastic!

  13. Dr. GooFee July 15, 2010 8:35 am

    “No ask me!”

  14. papajoe2 July 15, 2010 8:39 am

    gigi #11, then we can make an on campus stadium and arena at the site. There isn’t room at Manoa for a stadium.

  15. djmitcho July 15, 2010 8:44 am

    Good Morning All! 3 more days til I return to the Islands. Unfortunately no trip to Oahu this time. Hope everyone has a good one!

  16. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 8:44 am


    there’s certainly lots of empty space in Kapolei for a stadium. Wow, can you imagine how beautiful that campus will look? I can’t wait to see it.

  17. Stretch July 15, 2010 8:48 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    I hope they pass the athletic fee. As I committed to yesterday, if the students pay the $50 per semester fee, I will do the same. I will deposit the money into the UH Foundation – Tsaiko Athletic Fund that can be used for various athletic needs. How can we expect students to pay if we are not willing to do it ourselves?? I challenge other Tsaikos to do the same. All donations made are tax deductible.

    gigi – checks can be mailed to UH Foundation but if you don’t put a fund name, it will not be used for athletics. There are many different athletic funds that the money can allocated. See attached link that has the list under “Accounts”

  18. Shoko July 15, 2010 8:49 am

    Morning Gang,
    Just a thought here. If there was a sport to eliminate, would it be coed Sailing? Operating expenses according the institutional data reports a total operating budget of $63,233 (2008-2009). A roster size composed of 10 men, 16 women and two coaches. Compared to other sports, the budget pales in comparison.

    Is saying Bon Voyage to sailing a possibility?

  19. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 8:52 am


    Since David and I are both UH alumni, we intend to donate $500 to UH Foundation. Half to athletics and half to the Psychology Dept (to rebuild Gartley Hall).

    We love our alma mater and plan to make it an annual donation.

    I encourage everybody to make a donation to UH, no matter how small. Every little bit helps!

  20. (Jesse) James July 15, 2010 8:57 am

    I will meet Stretch’s challenge….and I too challenge other Tsaikos to do the same…C’mon you rich buggas…No scared em….MWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA j/k

  21. (Jesse) James July 15, 2010 8:59 am

    Gigi…#19…Like I said yesterday….if every UH graduate were to donate $50 per year to UH…and let’s put that into perspective, that’s like $1 per week….UH would garner at least $5 million per year just from that alone…which would help UH tremendously. Like you said, every little bit helps….

  22. RedZone July 15, 2010 9:05 am

    What happened to the pictures?

  23. Ralph July 15, 2010 9:09 am

    I don’t think sailing offers its athletes scholarships, they do it for the love of sailing and representing our island state. Kind of strange for an island not to have sailing as a sport

  24. (Jesse) James July 15, 2010 9:20 am

    Ralph…well, it’s sort of like some land locked states, like Nevada, has more registered boats than Hawaii does….LOL

  25. greenthumb July 15, 2010 9:22 am

    Wow, does this blog have one foot in the Twilight Zone? Yesterday’s one has a smaller point size and color background for every other post, etc. Today’s doesn’t.

    As for the fee, the pragmatic approach is, as ST notes, to assess it on undergrads but not grad students. However, my personal feeling is that every student should pay it.

  26. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 9:31 am


    I agree with you. All students should pay the fee, including grad students. But what about the athletes? If they have to pay, it won’t help the athletics dept’s budget, since it will have to increase the scholarship amount.

  27. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 9:42 am

    It’s hot as heck on the Plains out there, but yeah, definitely room for all kinds of on-campus facilities. But you know.. I always used to wonder… when we used to go up to BYU or Wyoming, we’d play in the snow or freezing cold, and everyone knew we weren’t acclimated to it. Likewise, why don’t we play our games when it’s hottest here, and give our opponents that same taste of OUR home field advantage? Plus, that’s prime time viewing time on the east coast, and we might actually have people pay attention to our games, aside from us diehard fans who end up staying up ’til 3 or 4 am. I mean, we’re already not even being shown on ESPN, aside from our opener against USC, so what’s the difference?
    Yeah, sure, medical staff will have their hands full, and players on both sides will need to keep hydrated, but… just a thought.

  28. Shoko July 15, 2010 9:42 am

    Good point. No scholarships for Sailing. However, when Nevada dropped their Ski team, people thought it was strange since Squaw Valley, Lake Tahoe and Mammoth were so close.

    Thats true about boats in Nevada. But then again, most Nevadans probably compare Lake Mead and Lake Tahoe to the Pacific. In fact, give Nevadans a man-built lake and there would still be a market for boats. 🙂

  29. SteveM July 15, 2010 9:44 am

    Good morning everyone!

    Posting here from Mercer Island, WA (got on my brother-in-law’s computer) 🙂 Really hectic here prepping for my niece’s wedding. Really big families.

  30. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 9:46 am

    Or start the Athletic Fee as a 2011 Spring Term Incoming Freshmen only… then everyone who comes in after them, onward. So, those crying now can escape paying the fee, unless they want to on a voluntary basis, to enjoy the benefits of free tickets. Everyone else without this Athletic Booklet can pay full price to everything, from Campus Center, to the SSC, Aloha Stadium… everything.

  31. al July 15, 2010 9:51 am

    the fee should be considered as a part of the cost of going to school at the university of hawaii, manoa.

    perhaps, they should have just raised the tuition hy 100 bucks and gave half to upper and lower campus.

    would they have grumbled if they didn’t know that the increases were for just that?

    the university of hawaii inspite of all the recent tuition hikes is still a great bargain.

  32. A-House July 15, 2010 9:53 am

    I put forth my 2nd attempt to propose a $500 – $1,000 per semester Capital Improvements drive by assessing ALL students at UH-Manoa so ASUH Pres and Graduate Students representatives can be proud of their university. Even with this assessment, the cost would still be less than mainland counter parts. Only condition is $$$ cannot be used for professor salary/raises. Local students attending “california” schools pay umpteen more that UH tuition.

    $500 x 20,000 students = $10,000,000 per semester.

    Community college students would be charged $100-$300 per semester to fund their needs.

  33. Ralph July 15, 2010 9:58 am

    does UNLV and Reno have a sailing team, kind of tough to practice during the winter season. I can’t think of too many WAC teams that would field a ski team so competition had to be out of conference, club status, or whatever and the travel cost probably ate into the budget too much

  34. ╦╤─ homey ︻╦╤─ July 15, 2010 10:04 am

    Good morning everybody.

    Pay the fricken fee.

    Time to start winding down the day and cruise.

  35. ╦╤─ homey ︻╦╤─ July 15, 2010 10:05 am

    Ralph – They practice sailing in the Field house during winter.

  36. RichfromOC July 15, 2010 10:25 am

    If the students win and the fee is deferred, can they come to California and fight against the outrageous fees that we pay on an annual basis too?

  37. Stretch July 15, 2010 10:29 am

    I just received a text that there were 3 students protesting. I guess the percentages work out about right. That is about the number of people who really care and listen to ASUH people.

  38. Shoko July 15, 2010 10:34 am

    If two of the three protestors are DR and the ASUH president, I wonder who’s the third person of that group. 😆

  39. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 10:35 am

    The BOR should impose the fee simply because it would be a show of support for excellence in Athletics at the University. Anything less would be a display of apathy and aparthied for the Athletics Department. With the realignment of conferences on the horizon, UH cannot take a laid back approach. It has to move forward with the activity fee and still find much much more to bolster the program.

  40. mctruck July 15, 2010 10:43 am

    So it was really, three(3), people creating all of this “smoke and no fire” fiasco??

    I really felt that it was such a poor demonstration of school spirit on the part of those who opposed this fee.

  41. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 10:43 am

    I guess the real question on the table today is… “Is the University of Hawaii committed to it’s Athletics programs? “

  42. mctruck July 15, 2010 10:47 am

    I wonder if the State can impose any kind of visitor fee’s which would be allocated to the upper and lower campus’ at UH???

  43. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 10:56 am

    I wonder if having or not having a D1 Athletics Program affects any of the University’s accreditations in any way?

  44. Garret July 15, 2010 11:00 am


    The student athletics fee doesn’t show whether or not UH is committed to its Athletic programs. All it will do is reduce the amount Upper Campus will have to give to the Athletic Department–reducing the $10 million or so they give now to about $8 million.

    This fee will NOT give the Athletic Department a single penny more to improve its operations or upgrade their on-field or off-field operations. If UH *really* wanted to show its commitment to Athletics, they would let the Athletic Department increase its spending after the athletics fee starts, instead of using it for deficit reduction. But when UH got its Sugar Bowl money, all of it went to Upper Campus for deficit reduction…BSU got luxury boxes by using its BCS money as seed money for the project, UH just gave its BCS money to the University.

    The argument can be made that the fee is long overdue because the students should subsidize part of the Athletic Department’s operations just like students do at most D-IA schools. But the Athletic Department isn’t going to get any extra money from this, it is all going to Upper Campus.

  45. Garret July 15, 2010 11:00 am

    I’ve gone through the accreditation process and Athletics have *NO PART* in any accreditation review.

  46. Garret July 15, 2010 11:04 am

    It would be nice if future Warrior commits would recruit for UH like this Colorado QB commit will. The QB commit (Heaps) that BYU got last year did the same thing and BYU got a strong recruiting class because of it. *Coaches* are limited in how often they can contact recruits…but recruits themselves are not limited and the NCAA says that it is fine for recruits to contact other recruits.

    Now that the Valor Christian quarterback has committed to attend Colorado and play for coach Dan Hawkins – or whomever might hold the job of head football coach in 2011 – Berglund has set his sights on helping bring “the best class in 20 years” with him to Boulder.

    Berglund, a lifelong Buffs fan, committed to CU coaches late last month over offers from approximately 20 other schools. The other four at the top of his list were UCLA, Utah, Kansas and Duke.

    Now he aims to convince other players to join him.

    “I don’t think I’m going to limit myself to even the state,” Berglund said. “I’m going to go on Rivals and find the guys who are even interested in Colorado and I’m going to call them up and talk to them, and if CU is a fit for them, I want them to be at CU and be a Buff.

    “I’m going to do my best to get this to be the best class in 20 years at CU.”

  47. Garret July 15, 2010 11:10 am


    You have been curious as to how some of your Oceanic bill goes to pay for ESPN, and there will be *big* news about that soon. Disney and Time Warner are gearing up for a big battle over how much Time Warner (which includes Oceanic) will pay for Disney channels. In theory, this could lead to Oceanic losing all ESPN channels, Disney channels, and even ABC…but the most likely thing is that they will wait until the last day in September and then Time Warner will agree to give more money to Disney for its channels.

    Time Warner Cable has taken out of mothballs, as the MSO gears up for what could be a bruising publicity battle over retrans and carriage fees with Walt Disney Co. this summer.

    The marketing Web site, which the MSO launched last fall leading up to a retrans fight with Fox, does not refer directly to Disney. However, TWC’s contract with Disney covering ESPN, ABC and Disney cable networks and some local stations is set to expire at the start of September.

  48. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 11:14 am

    #46… Interesting. But it sounds like there will be coaches coaching new recruits as to WHOM to contact each year, and this will all end up being micro’d by the NCAA.

  49. Garret July 15, 2010 11:19 am


    Coaches are allowed to have regular contacts with all recruits, so it actually is *legal* for coaches to tell their commits the names (and contact information) of recruits they want the commits to recruit for them. There is nothing against the rules for that, and having commits form early bonds with other recruits and try to get them to play at the same school makes sense.

    This is similar to how BYU’s QB commit last year got an impressive recruiting class together where many of the top recruits specifically mentioned Heaps’ efforts in recruiting them as a reason for their commit. One example of this is how the QB commit got a WR recruit who had committed to play for Texas to decommit from Texas (that almost never happens!) and sign with BYU instead. If you are a WR and a top QB recruit wants to be able to throw the ball to you, there are advantages to signing with that QB’s team.

  50. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 11:20 am

    #47… For some reason, I recall hearing of similar battles in regards to retransmissions in this area. And the local news dug up some sort of antidiscriminatory or antimonopoly stuff that congress had passed… something that provided for a certain percent of sharing in every market, if that market wanted to participate in the sharing. Wish I could remember what it was, exactly. Was about a year ago when it came up.

  51. Garret July 15, 2010 11:21 am

    Actually, maybe contact information would be a privacy issue…but recruits can easily go on Rivals (or Facebook) and figure out how to contact another recruit. Recruits go to camps in the summer and end up going on recruiting trips together, so bonds do form in the recruiting process.

  52. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 11:22 am

    Thanks, Garret… just didn’t know how deep coaches could get into the third party recruiting bit via new recruits/commits. Then I hope our kids are doing the same as well.

  53. papajoe2 July 15, 2010 11:23 am

    What if the Colorado QB doesn’t make the starting roster after a few years and transfers out. Or the new (if so) coach changes the entire offensive package that does not include his “style” of play. That would be something for him to consider. Maybe he should just take care of himself, to be prepared to play and not worry about the other recruits.

  54. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 11:24 am

    I am ready for football!

    I want to win a championship!!!

  55. Garret July 15, 2010 11:24 am

    Fresno State is having a hard time selling their season tickets even though they have a good home schedule–Cincy and Illinois are from AQ Conferences and UH and Nevada should be good draws for Fresno.

    Fresno State is slashing season ticket prices to $100 for a limited time.

    Fresno State is marketing the deal as a centennial special honoring Fresno State’s 100th anniversary. Thus far, the school has sold 17,000 season tickets for the seven-game home schedule that includes games against Big East Conference foe Cincinnati and Big Ten Conference opponent Illinois. Other teams coming to Fresno are Nevada, Hawai’i, Idaho, New Mexico State and Cal Poly.

  56. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 11:26 am

    If there’s another 6’7”, 300 pound beast out there who is extremely athletic and talented, AND I have a new commit who is tight with him, then by all means… coax him over to our beaches!!!

  57. Garret July 15, 2010 11:27 am

    Then I hope our kids are doing the same as well.

    I’ve been saying this for years. UH does have recruits sit with each other during Warrior games and one of the best things about Junior Days is that all the recruits are together for it. However, I don’t think that any UH commit has aggressively recruited for UH like this…though often when UH gets a commit from a school that commit helps UH recruit other players at that school.

  58. Garret July 15, 2010 11:30 am

    The anti-sports views by some faculty aren’t limited to UH. One SEC school has a significant group of faculty that are pretty anti-sports.

    Vanderbilt scholarships are worth more than $240,000 for four years. Its academic entrance requirements favor the best and brightest, which don’t always mix with 40-yard dash times and dead lifts.

    SEC football is a way of life at most league schools. That isn’t always the case at Vanderbilt.

    I remember when I first came to town and a Vanderbilt employee explained the apathy many of people on campus have for football.

    “We have professors here who don’t even realize we have a football team,” he said, “and would be pretty darned mad if they found out we did.”

  59. tommui July 15, 2010 11:32 am


    The student athletics fee doesn’t show whether or not UH is committed to its Athletic programs. All it will do is reduce the amount Upper Campus will have to give to the Athletic Department–reducing the $10 million or so they give now to about $8 million.

    I have been working on wording for another charitable trust – if my client sets up a trust where the income generated goes to UHF – say WVB as an example – and the AD has averaged x-amount to that program for the last 3-5 years, I don’t want the income from the trust reducing the amount giving to that program. My client would be interested in increasing the budget for increased recruiting, scouting, summer school etc and not to maintain just a status-quo.

    If the fee reduces the AD’s debt, fine! If it just maintains the average budget amount that would be given to the AD and used for something else, the Administration should just increase the tuition.

    Of course the Legislature should just forgive the debt and pay the moneys used for Title IX programs and other programs that are not self-sufficent

  60. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 11:35 am

    I wonder how much Vandy gets in grants and other research funding, as opposed to money brought in from sports… received just for being in the SEC?

  61. papajoe2 July 15, 2010 11:44 am

    Dean Wilson at 2 over and Parker Mclaughlin (sp?) 9 over in the Reno/Tahoe open.Both are way back but Parker could be the backest. What’s up with Parker? Isn’t this the tournament that he won a couple of years age? I would think that a tournament like this would pull him out of his season long slump. Most of the big boys are playing in the British Open. I hope both of the local boys recover and make an impact in the golf world.

  62. Garret July 15, 2010 11:49 am

    I wonder how much Vandy gets in grants and other research funding, as opposed to money brought in from sports… received just for being in the SEC?

    Vanderbilt gets $17.1 million each year from the SEC’s TV contract. Last year Vanderbilt got over $520 million from research grants!

  63. Garret July 15, 2010 11:55 am

    I have been working on wording for another charitable trust – if my client sets up a trust where the income generated goes to UHF – say WVB as an example – and the AD has averaged x-amount to that program for the last 3-5 years, I don’t want the income from the trust reducing the amount giving to that program. My client would be interested in increasing the budget for increased recruiting, scouting, summer school etc and not to maintain just a status-quo.

    If the fee reduces the AD’s debt, fine! If it just maintains the average budget amount that would be given to the AD and used for something else, the Administration should just increase the tuition.

    Of course the Legislature should just forgive the debt and pay the moneys used for Title IX programs and other programs that are not self-sufficent

    Tom Mui,

    I agree with you, but unfortunately things are not that simple. WassupDoc has explained how UH couldn’t forgive the debt even if they wanted to (and I doubt they want to). If the Legislature needed to subsidize all sports that lose money (meaning everything except football and women’s volleyball), they would have to come up with a *lot* more money and I doubt they could afford it with their budget problems. Plus, then we’d hear calls for cutting a men’s sport like baseball that loses a lot of money.

    Increasing the budget for things would be a big boost and your client could really help UH. However, I don’t know how that could be monitored. Isn’t UH’s tuition going up in a year or so? That will increase the spending for the Athletic Department because every scholarship will cost more…but even though spending will be higher, there will be no benefit to the Athletic Department operations.

  64. LizKauai m/ July 15, 2010 11:57 am



    # Potbellied pig finds new home
    # State House committees to discuss homelessness

    Something ironic about these two breaking news titles…
    God Bless!

  65. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 11:58 am

    #62… holy smokes! It’s no wonder so much of the faculty are apathetic towards sports! But whenever their football is on tv, they still look like they fill their stadium. Hmmm…

  66. Garret July 15, 2010 12:04 pm

    By the way, I also pledge at least $100. However, I think that I’m going to donate it to Na Koa (I’m already a member so this would be an additional donation) instead of the Tsaiko fund because they need it for summer school tuition and some other things.

    Donating to support other sports is great and the other teams definitely need more funding. However, I’m worried about the future of UH Athletics and for that future I’ve sadly concluded that only one sport matters to conferences. Given the shortfall due to the loss of the Pigskin Pigout and the end of the 7% salary reductions, UH needs more funds just to maintain their present situation.

    I hope to be able to call into the telethon also if it is available to follow in California…maybe they can have a website to follow the telethon online?

  67. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 12:04 pm

    Re: UH Foundation

    I discovered that UHF does not do debit or credit for monthly donations. I would have to go to my bank and tell it to send UHF a physcial check, not direct deposit, every month.

    That’s silly. I might as well mail my own physical check to UHF monthly.

    Bottom line: That would be inconvenient for me. Therefore, I will send UHF a lump sum check for the total amount instead of monthly installments.

    I really think UHF should look into accepting direct deposits from banks.

  68. Stretch July 15, 2010 12:09 pm

    gigi – you can donate online and set up a monthly charge to your credit card. check the link I posted earlier.

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  70. LizKauai m/ July 15, 2010 12:17 pm

    Stretch #17 – I’m in.

  71. LizKauai m/ July 15, 2010 12:22 pm

    gigi- I have a billpayer account at the credit union. I can set up any kind of payments to anyone and they will issue a physical check with account notations where e-transfer is not used. NO POSTAGE or fees for this service.

  72. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 12:23 pm


    I went to the site you mentioned. I want to donate $250 to Athletics and $250 to the Psychology Dept.

    Athletics is listed.

    However, there is nothing for the Psych Dept!!! What the heck???

    Does anybody know Chancellor Hinshaw’s email address? I would like her to address this issue.

  73. Stretch July 15, 2010 12:33 pm

    gigi – maybe you supposed to telepathically send the money to them…..

  74. d1島 July 15, 2010 12:34 pm

    Psych! 😆

  75. d1島 July 15, 2010 12:35 pm

    …maybe you only think you want to send them the money. 😈

  76. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 12:37 pm

    Do you guys really trust UHF? What guarantee is there that the money will be disbursed according to your instructions?

  77. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 12:38 pm

    What if I just mail my 2 checks to the athletics dept and the psych dept? For sure, the money would be used by them, right?

  78. Stretch July 15, 2010 12:48 pm

    For the UH Foundation – Tsaiko Athletic Fund, JD is in control of the account but will only use it when I contact him. I will only contact him when there is something that the Tsaikos want to buy. Similar to the exercise bikes or the softball bracelets the other year.

  79. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 12:55 pm


    Are you the only one who can contact JD to disburse funds from that account? What happens if you die?

  80. Ralph July 15, 2010 12:57 pm

    Tom Mui you brought up a good point regarding donations and the status quo. JD wants all sports to start a booster club and each raise 25K to help the program. Question is, is this or will this funding be in addition to what the sports program received in prior years with yearly adjustments upward for inflation, higher fuel cost – airfare,etc. or is the funding to reduce the UHAD and Upper campus contribution to the income pot and the budget remains the same or nearly the same with an adjustment for inflation.

  81. Garret July 15, 2010 1:03 pm

    I didn’t realize that the Athletic Department was being charged interest on the $10 million debt.

    The University of Hawaii at Manoa Athletic Department has no plan in place to pay back the more than $10 million it has borrowed from school funds since 2002.

    In June, UH Associate Athletic Director for Administrative Services Carl Clapp told Civil Beat, “Athletics has borrowed against the pooled cash (of the university) and athletics is charged interest on the amount borrowed.” That article pointed out that the money could have been used for academics at a time when the university says it is strapped for cash.

  82. g-nalo July 15, 2010 1:05 pm


    eh SteveM, only filthy rich live on Mercer Island no? isn’t this the island where EVERY house has a boat/pier out back?

  83. Ralph July 15, 2010 1:05 pm

    psych depart, what about the tsaiko dept, we communicate in the same medium of eternal bliss, family, fun, fuud, football,and fishing. AKA has a tsaiko account just waiting for your contribution and our instigator, Stretch, will be diligent in how the money is spent to help UH athletics.

  84. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 1:08 pm


    yeah, but the psych dept no more building. It’s been condemned as it is on the verge of collapsing. I feel sorry for the professors and psych majors. I want to contribute to a building fund.

  85. Manoa Mist July 15, 2010 1:13 pm

    To fee or not to fee, that is the question.

  86. g-nalo July 15, 2010 1:13 pm

    Gigi – does building a stock account at Charles Schwab count?

  87. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 1:15 pm


    I don’t believe in the stock market! Not after Sept 2008.

  88. Stretch July 15, 2010 1:15 pm

    whoa…. who that g-nalo??!!??

  89. Stretch July 15, 2010 1:16 pm

    gigi – if I die, I am sure someone else can make the call to use the funds, the account doesn’t go away.

  90. PONO July 15, 2010 1:17 pm

    Any truth to the rumors that Masoli wants to come to UH?

  91. g-nalo July 15, 2010 1:20 pm

    fee, fie, foe, fummmmmmbleeeeeeeeeeee

    not hinting or implying, but just remembering for myself………….when i was attending UH……po po’er poo’est. i feel for these students.

  92. Ralph July 15, 2010 1:21 pm

    GG add a few more zeros if you want to start a building fund, for us litte guys, we want to focus on the affordables, like exercise bicycles, repairing the fb machine, etc.

  93. g-nalo July 15, 2010 1:22 pm

    gigi – what about MY account??!! j/k

    Stretch – no worry, only the good die young.

  94. Ralph July 15, 2010 1:23 pm

    G Nalo you must have been on the dark side a very long time, first post in several months.

  95. RedZone July 15, 2010 1:24 pm

    Nice photo of Coolen and his ladies on the red carpet at the ESPYS on the UH website. All I know is that I voted for them.

  96. Ralph July 15, 2010 1:26 pm

    Pomai give me a call

  97. SteveM July 15, 2010 1:29 pm

    # g-nalo:
    July 15th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    eh SteveM, only filthy rich live on Mercer Island no? isn’t this the island where EVERY house has a boat/pier out back?

    g-nalo— nah,we’re on the poor side of the island. Lots of neighbors, can’t see Lake Washington and the freeway passes nearby. Nice large house though–they bought it 30+ years ago. Great staging area for Alaska cruises, though . 🙄

    I’ve seen a house like you described–my sister’s wedding reception was held at one (her college friend). Wow. My niece’s wedding and reception is at a zoo. 🙂

  98. Old School Dave July 15, 2010 1:31 pm

    Apathetic students rule up at Manoa!! Sadly, it’s a vocal minority making all of the noise up there. UH Manoa students, especially local kids, historically will sit in class and not say a word, which drives the professors nuts. I can remember getting into a heated debate with an old professor of mine, Dr Ed Beechert, in a couple of history classes I took there years ago. The other students looked at me like I was nuts. Still received an “A” from Dr Beechert and I think he appreciated that I was the only one who would engage in any type of discourse.

    BTW, this is an example of a fund raising organization that has its Sh#@! together. That’s why they’re going to the Pac-10.

  99. Pride. July 15, 2010 1:31 pm

    My prayers go out to Stretch, I hope that you get healed from whatever it is that Gigi said is ailing you.

  100. SteveM July 15, 2010 1:33 pm

    …but at a zoo north of Seattle, known for their weddings. Booked 1.5 years in advance.

  101. Kazz July 15, 2010 1:33 pm

    Just got back from UH as I had a meeting elsewhere.

    First of all, W-DOC did a GREAT job in expressing her thoughts to the BOR and was very respectful.

    Second of all… What protests?

    I just got back as I left a few hours ago as I had an appointment elsewhere and I got to UH at around 8:45 and there were NO protests.

    The only students there were the student athletes (about 8 softball players, Amber Kaufman and a few of her track friends, some football coaches) and I saw NO “protesting”.

    There were 18 speakers and all spoke well enough to make both sides of the argument reasonable.

    HOWEVER two UH professors made OKOLES of themselves and the first speaker in particular went over her time limit, ignored the BOR, and when she got back to her seat she kept making rude remarks when Jett Jasper was speaking FOR the fee. She was rude as hell.

    Maybe it’s just me as I am not used to attending those meeting where things can get “passionate”, but it’s very rude to go back to your seat and start “booing” a student athlete who is making his case when it is his allotted time to speak.

    This woman was sitting in front of me and I could easily hear her snickering and making comments to people around her while Jett was talking.

  102. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 1:34 pm


  103. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 1:36 pm

    that hahaha was meant for Pride.

  104. g-nalo July 15, 2010 1:37 pm

    Ralph – maybe its been years? looks like you’re doing well.

    SteveM – oh ok, guess i should’ve drove that last 1/2 mile? haaa. thought the only way out of Lake Washington was thru the lock?

  105. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 1:38 pm

    AC re-signed with Denver. $1.352 mill or something like that.

  106. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 1:39 pm


    so how come you didn’t throttle that wahine??? she was sitting right in front of you and den.

  107. Old School Dave July 15, 2010 1:40 pm

    #101: Kazz. Thanks for the report. Sadly, there are some professors who are completely out of touch with what’s going on outside of their classrooms or offices. Tenure seems to be a contributing factor with these professors losing all sense of civility and cordiality with those who may disagree with them.

  108. Stretch July 15, 2010 1:41 pm

    July 15th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    My prayers go out to Stretch, I hope that you get healed from whatever it is that Gigi said is ailing you.

    thanks Pride. In my will, I will pass on all powers of the UHF-Tsaiko Fund to you to manage, NOT SPEND.

  109. Kazz July 15, 2010 1:42 pm

    July 15th, 2010 at 1:39 pm


    so how come you didn’t throttle that wahine??? she was sitting right in front of you and den.

    THROTTLE??????? 😯

  110. Old School Dave July 15, 2010 1:42 pm

    Or maybe the wahine professor was never asked out by a football player during her high school or university days and has remained bitter to this day.

  111. Kazz July 15, 2010 1:43 pm

    Besides, if that UH professor wants to be rude and act like a 5 year old then that is her problem.

  112. Stretch July 15, 2010 1:43 pm

    #110 – I can understand why nobody did

  113. SteveM July 15, 2010 1:48 pm

    g-nalo — the freeway goes through a tunnel under the lake between the island and Seattle. There’s a large freeway bridge spanning the island and Bellevue on the other side.

  114. Stretch July 15, 2010 1:50 pm

    Kazz – thanks for the detailed report. Some people NO MORE CLASS. I have NO respect for people who do that. I am not saying that because she is against the fee, I would say the same thing if she was in support also.

  115. g-nalo July 15, 2010 1:54 pm

    SteveM – i was referring to “great staging area for Alaska cruises”, as in cruise ships in Lake Washington? 🙂

    anyways, glad to see you’re enjoying your trip.

  116. papajoe2 July 15, 2010 1:55 pm

    AC signed with Denver? Too bad that Denver was horrible in the playoffs. I think Carmelo Anthony has an attitude problem. I hope he leaves since AC will still be there. Looked like he only played if the ball was passed to him. If Denver traded him for somebody worthwhile, then maybe they would have some kind of chance in the NBA. Was Carmelo like that because their head coach was out with health problems? If yes, then attitude problem. If no, still attitude problem. He has so much talent but sucks when it comes to team play. You cannot win a championship without team play. I hoped Anthony Carter would go to Miami with his minimum pay. His style of play seems to be what Miami is looking for.

  117. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 1:56 pm


    I hope you got an outside cabin on the ship to prevent motion sickness.

  118. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 1:58 pm


    I think AC and the Denver coach really like each other, so maybe that factored in his decision to stay. But I don’t know if Miami offered him anything.

  119. g-nalo July 15, 2010 1:59 pm

    take care everyone, will reappear around……….ohh……….2011 i guess?

    Go Warriors!

  120. Kazz July 15, 2010 1:59 pm


    Only two people (UH professors) got all huffy in speaking AGAINST the fee and if anything just made fools of themselves. A lot of snickering was going on when those professors thought they were in the 60s burning a flag in front of the White House or something.

    Also, if presenting you case to a group of individuals in charge like the BOR, that professor I spoke of should have known better than to cut off the head of the BOR when her time limit expired.

    I don’t know who she was trying to impress… 😆

  121. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:00 pm

    Mei Ling tells me (she is still up at UH) that the decision should come from the BOR around 3:30pm.

    Mei Ling also spoke for the fee and also did a good job presenting her case.

  122. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 2:00 pm

    #101… Great report, Kazz!

    Sadly, those are the kinds of educators who continue to shape the minds and attitudes of our young adults, teaching them THEIR “proper” behavior at such events.

  123. Pride. July 15, 2010 2:01 pm

    # Stretch:
    July 15th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    July 15th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    My prayers go out to Stretch, I hope that you get healed from whatever it is that Gigi said is ailing you.

    thanks Pride. In my will, I will pass on all powers of the UHF-Tsaiko Fund to you to manage, NOT SPEND.

    Not good, between me and JD, all of the money is going toward offensive line needs. Bags, sleds, weights, training table, bigger towels.

  124. Amy July 15, 2010 2:02 pm

    Heads up: the woman who spoke first and behaved rudely was not a professor. Several undergraduate and graduate students spoke, and most spoke clearly against the proposal. No group, to my understanding, promised to “protest” the BOR meeting, so I don’t know what protests you all were expecting to see.

  125. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:03 pm

    Old School Dave,

    They could learn a thing or two from W-DOC when it comes to speaking to a committee regardless of your views.

    Again, maybe those kind of rude actions are the norm in meetings like those that are opened to the public, but I was thrown off a bit and got pretty irritated to the point where I had to step out and take a stroll around the athletic complex before heading back in.

    Funny thing is it was standing room only there and there were quite a bit of people in the hall way outside of the Ed Wong room and I walked out as soon as that hysterical professor got done and I could see all the people outside LAUGHING as they could hear her lose control from the PA system.

  126. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:06 pm


    I stand corrected.


    And YES, 18 spoke with one being somewhat neutral and all of them, with the exception of one or TWO (depending on how you look at it) were well-mannered and stuck to the point.

    The male professor that spoke had no logical reason to bring up Coach Mack’s anti-gay slur from two years ago wasn’t exactly “eloquent” either.

  127. tommui July 15, 2010 2:07 pm


    I discovered that UHF does not do debit or credit for monthly donations. I would have to go to my bank and tell it to send UHF a physcial check, not direct deposit, every month.

    Not so Grasshopper! UHF deducts $25 from me every month for the Tsaiko fund (in addition to whatever else).

    Can UHF be trusted? It is fiduciary trust and subject to all the laws pertaining to trust companies. They can be sued if they do funny stuff. Maybe Garret should designate an alternate “voice” for the Tsaiko fund if he is the only one – in the event as they say if he is “unable, or unwilling to serve as such…” That’s the standard if there is disability or death or other circumstances.

  128. Pride. July 15, 2010 2:07 pm

    # g-nalo:
    July 15th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    take care everyone, will reappear around……….ohh……….2011 i guess?

    Go Warriors!

    Roger G-Nalo. See you when you get back from that place, Nalo land, errrr, Nalo place. uhhh, Nalo nation, whatever that foreign land is that you come from.

  129. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:09 pm

    The UH Foundation is not the corrupt entity some make it out to be.

  130. tommui July 15, 2010 2:09 pm

    Should have made it clear in #127 – you can make arrangements with UHF for a monthly deduction – a direct deposit. I’m not sure if it can be done from your bank account but UHF will take a credit card. It would be good until cancelled.

  131. Pride. July 15, 2010 2:10 pm

    # tommui:
    July 15th, 2010 at 2:07 pm


    I discovered that UHF does not do debit or credit for monthly donations. I would have to go to my bank and tell it to send UHF a physcial check, not direct deposit, every month.

    Not so Grasshopper! UHF deducts $25 from me every month for the Tsaiko fund (in addition to whatever else).

    Can UHF be trusted? It is fiduciary trust and subject to all the laws pertaining to trust companies. They can be sued if they do funny stuff. Maybe Garret should designate an alternate “voice” for the Tsaiko fund if he is the only one – in the event as they say if he is “unable, or unwilling to serve as such…” That’s the standard if there is disability or death or other circumstances.

    Garret? or Garett?

  132. Stretch July 15, 2010 2:11 pm

    July 15th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
    Roger G-Nalo. See you when you get back from that place, Nalo land, errrr, Nalo place. uhhh, Nalo nation, whatever that foreign land is that you come from.

    how ironic you should mention “foreign land”… hahahaha

  133. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 2:13 pm

    #124… Amy…

    This was taken from an article from yesterday’s Star Advertiser Sports Section:

    “University of Hawaii student groups are vowing a ‘student presence’ at tomorrow’s Board of Regents meeting to oppose a proposal that would require them to pay $50 per semester for an athletic fee.

    Representatives from the Associated Students of UH (ASUH) and Graduate Student Organization (GSO) have said they will attend the 9 a.m. meeting at the Stan Sheriff Center, a rare athletics venue for a regents’ meeting.”

  134. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:15 pm

    After listening to all the speakers AGAINST the fee, to me, the general feeling with them is that the $50.00 fee is more of an issue based on principal.

    That’s just my opinion.

  135. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:16 pm


    “Vowing” is a strong word.

  136. uh oh July 15, 2010 2:17 pm

    I wonder if Amy IS the “professor”?

  137. Just_someone July 15, 2010 2:18 pm

    Gigi, most academic departments have links to their charitable accounts at the departmental website. For Psychology, the link is at (I don’t know if anything donated there will go to Gartley restoration)

    Kazz, the first screamer who testified was not a UH faculty member, she identified herself as a graduate student (though I suspect GSO would want to dissociate themselves from her). Most of the people who spoke on both sides of the issues were reasoned and articulate.

    The problem is not with the fee, which is very small and probably necessary, but that the Chancellor did such a terrible job of working with the students to find something agreeable; she apparently rejected all their suggestions, including spelling corrections on the proposal. Students have been willing to accept fees which they felt involved in, including recent fees they imposed on themselves for Campus Center renovations and the bus pass. By the way, students are already paying for the athletics debt, which is taken from money that tuition and research bring in.

  138. Old School Dave July 15, 2010 2:18 pm

    Kazz: Was Noel Kent at he hearings? He’s an Ethnic Studies Prof and a flashback to the 60’s anti-war, anti-athletics figure who often speaks out against the athletic department and sports in general. He somehow always links college athletics to the military industrial complex, or something to that effect.

  139. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:22 pm

    Old School Dave,

    Maybe someone else can confirm, I cannot.

  140. Pride. July 15, 2010 2:23 pm

    Fiduciary is a cool word. I always liked that word. Don’t know what it means, but I like the way it sounds.

  141. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 2:23 pm

    Just saying… if you oppose something, that is a protest. Doesn’t matter if they were going to be vocal about it, march with signs, whatever. “Vowing” is not at issue here.
    Both groups said they’d be there to protest, or show opposition to, the Activity Fee that was to be discussed during this BoR meeting.

  142. d1島 July 15, 2010 2:28 pm


    Thanks for the reports from the meeting.

  143. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:31 pm


    Yes, I previously posted that 99.9% of the speakers spoke well in favor of their side of the issue.

    However, I feel that if the fee came on a majority vote of the students that it still would be rejected. Chancellor Hinshaw could have been transparent to the point of providing her SSN # and bank account info and still the fact remains is that we (people in general) do not want to pay for anything, especially when you are relying on a majority vote.

    Also, upper UH campus (academics/aux. services) is reaping the monetary rewards of UH athletics through money earned through the UH Rainbowtique sales AND the fact that there are over 200+ walk on student athletes at UHM who’s combined tuition brings in over $2 million dollars.

    One final thing, what is the REAL problem with the fee? As far as students are concerned, or at least the minority that have expressed their opinions, I’ve heard two things:

    1) UH is making the students pay for the deficit in athletics.
    2) No transparency.

    Which is the real issue? On ESPN 1420 this morning, the Sports Animals interviewed an editor with Ka Leo and he also said that the issue is not with the amount of the fee, but with the transparency.

    To me it seems that the first inital objection was the fee itself, or at least the idea of the fee.

    Again, NO ONE can expect the majority of a student body at ANY university to vote in favor of having to pay more money for something, especially the students themselves.

  144. Kazz July 15, 2010 2:32 pm


    I was very disappointed.

    I expected looting and things burning. 😆

  145. Pride. July 15, 2010 2:34 pm

    I wonder if there are 50,000 vain UH football fans like me, who would spend $200.00 each to have their name inked on some part of the chair at the Aloha Stadium.

    I don’t have a calculator so don’t know what the total amount of money would be.

    Need a Hawaiian language expert to name the club, the twelfth man or something to that effect. Kane’umikumalua or something to that effect.

  146. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 2:35 pm


  147. Amy July 15, 2010 2:40 pm

    Hey all. “Vowing” is a strong word, but it’s a word that was used by the newspaper reporter, and not the GSO rep. By “student presence,” the GSO only meant that students would be there to submit testimony. There was never a plan, at least not by anyone affiliated with the GSO, to “protest” the BOR meeting.

    I’m not the person who spoke first. Her name is Hannah, and she did not speak on behalf of the GSO, or on behalf of any organization.

    All the best,

  148. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 2:42 pm

    Kazz, the reporting up to this point sure made it sound like we were gonna be in for a newsbreaking, look-ma-check-me-out-on-tv-in-Hawaii kind of day. I envisioned sit-ins, kids with bullhorns yelling stuff about being disenfranchised, the whole shebang!
    Instead, we got kids laughing at the ramblings of an old man, and a rude lady turning into a Diva, audibly needing a Snickers bar to snap out of it.

  149. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 2:48 pm

    Just someone,

    Mahalo for the link. I went ahead and donated $50, recurring monthly. Half to Tsaiko Athletic Fund, and half to Psychology Dept.

    Folks, it is very easy to do this.

  150. Old School Dave July 15, 2010 2:48 pm

    Didn’t hear the interview this morning on KKEA 1420 with the Ka Leo rep. I’m sure this has been asked, but if you want to talk transparency, just curious how much of the student fees are now going to the student newspaper? A paper that goes largely unread on campus. Stacks of papers lie sitting in the wind on campus as we speak. How much money is going to ASUH every year? I cannot not see anything concrete that points to benefiting the students at UH? Same for KTUH, the campus radio station.

    Just wondering.

  151. Just_someone July 15, 2010 2:49 pm

    “we (people in general) do not want to pay for anything”

    Except that the students have already accepted increased fees for the Campus Center and the Bus. In fact, they proposed both of these themselves.

    I believe that the $2 million/year in additional debt already includes the revenues from Rainbowtique. The walk-ons, like all students, pay less tuition than it costs to educate them, so that is not really a consideration.

    Athletics is an important part of a state university, and the number of schools where it pays for itself is tiny. Even though the UH program is actually pretty good by national standards in paying most of its own way, when people argue for athletics on economic grounds they are not kicking with their strongest foot.

    I think a really good argument can be made for this kind of fee, and in fact I think some of this morning’s speakers made such an argument, but apparently nobody even attempted to make these arguments to the students. The students might or might not have agreed afterwards, but a responsible university leadership would have at least pretended to treat them as thinking beings. That’s part of educating these kids (not so young, many of them) into being responsible adults.

  152. Mike July 15, 2010 3:03 pm

    Couple cents: Much as I love UH sports, which indirectly kept me employed for several years, I still can’t see imposing an athletics-specific fee on a student body that has already demonstrated a general apathy for the department and its activities — especially in the midst of five straight years of tuition increases. Fair or not, there is also a lot of resentment among faculty and students that so much attention is given to athletic endeavors and accomplishments and so little to the academic life of the university. Sure, a successful program benefits the university community as a whole, but its a secondary sort of benefit, and not one that is easily argued when a lot of academic departments end the fiscal year with no paper in their printers.

  153. Da Punchbowl Kid July 15, 2010 3:05 pm

    BEAT USC!!!

  154. d1島 July 15, 2010 3:14 pm


    Struggled to understand what is meant by this word so often used nowadays….

    Finally got an understanding today when reading about the new CENTCOM commander who stepped in for Gen. Petraeus.

    Leave it to a Marine General….

    Speaking to tribal leaders in Iraq: “I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f— with me, I’ll kill you all.”

    -Gen. James Mattis (USMC)

  155. Stephen Tsai July 15, 2010 3:21 pm

    My feeling is the measure will pass.
    I enjoyed the thoughtful comments, but most came down to wanting money for other programs instead of debating the merits of an athletic fee.
    As Ferd noted, it would have been more heartfelt if a single mom spoke of the struggles of making ends meet. It also was disappointing that there only was testimony from three undergraduate students, including the ASUH president. If this means something, you should show up.

  156. Kazz July 15, 2010 3:23 pm


    I think you said it all right there.

    I am pretty confident that A LOT of UH students will say they don’t want the fee, but deep down don’t care either way.

  157. Kazz July 15, 2010 3:23 pm


    That burger hit the spot! 😎

  158. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 3:25 pm


    maybe it’s not apathy. maybe the students feel POWERLESS!!!

  159. tommui July 15, 2010 3:26 pm

    PRIDE: #131 Sorry – meant my buddy “Stretch” who started the Tsaiko fund.

  160. d1島 July 15, 2010 3:29 pm


    Are you still in Manoa? Waiting for a decision?

  161. Kazz July 15, 2010 3:32 pm



    Steve Carell will be taking his appetite to Outback Steakhouse. 😆

  162. Stephen Tsai July 15, 2010 3:33 pm

    I think if you’re a student who’s a sports fan, you like the idea of a fee.
    If you’re not a sports fan, you won’t like the fee, but you figure the other guy will argue for you.
    I’ve been through a lot of protests in my life. I usually find the biggest critics are the ones who don’t show up for meetings.
    If you don’t vote, you can’t complain about policy.
    If you don’t speak out, you also can’t complain. Well, I suppose you can complain, but who’s going to care what you think if you don’t show up.

  163. Stephen Tsai July 15, 2010 3:33 pm

    Reardon and Ferd are back in Manoa. I’m in Kakaako.

  164. d1島 July 15, 2010 3:39 pm

    It’s good to hear that there were some student-athletes at the SSC this morning.

  165. Mike July 15, 2010 3:40 pm

    Think the problem is not just individual programs wanting the money to go to them, but resentment over the fact that one prominent department is being given consideration that others have not had. There are a lot of academic departments on campus that could put together a compelling argument for how a special fee could be used to help them recruiting top professors and student scholars, improve facilities and build to the level of national prominence, thus generating funds to alleviate the financial burden on the rest of the university. But these are departments that the community-at-large doesn’t necessarily feel passionate about. It’s a town and gown thing. Who is the department really important to?

  166. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 3:40 pm

    I still disagree with you with regards of the Activity Fee not being a sign or symbol of support by the BOR for a quality program of athletics at UH. It may not immediately increase what the Department gets but it sets a fixed value that is only lowered by the number of students registering and not by the whim of the UH Administration or the needs of the upper campus. Support, however, can be supplemented by the whim of the upper campus Admins, BOR and other sources. But with it, you have a very tangible number to work with… a figure that can be adjusted and massaged over time to both pay off the loan and/or build the athletic department. $50 may be a drop in the bucket right now but an accumulation of drops have been know to fill a bucket to overflowing. I’ve worked long enough in Japan to look at things with a 10-year perspective and establishing a “fee” is a good thing..a tangible sign of support… a “yea” vote, even if additional $$$ aren’t immediate in coming.

    BTW… speaking of loans.. was the “rainy day fund” raided by Dobelle ever repaid to the Athletic Dept.?

  167. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 3:41 pm

    LizKauai m/:
    July 15th, 2010 at 11:57 am


    # Potbellied pig finds new home
    # State House committees to discuss homelessness

    Something ironic about these two breaking news titles…
    God Bless!

    Hmmm… very astute… maybe it’s because the pig brings something to the table? bwahahahah!

  168. d1島 July 15, 2010 3:43 pm

    What other department has several beat writers assigned to it?

  169. Amy July 15, 2010 3:44 pm

    Stephen, you might want to keep in mind that this is July. Very few students are in Manoa these days, which, many people suspect, is why partially why the chancellor picked now to propose the new fee.

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  171. ai-eee-soos July 15, 2010 3:47 pm

    re #167

    “…Potbellied pig finds new home …”

    It’s probably because he got better manners, and is potty trained, as compared to …

  172. Kazz July 15, 2010 3:47 pm


    Also saw coaches Rich Miano, Charlie Wade, Gordy Shaw, Dave Shoji spoke, and Andy Johnson.

    Coaches Carmyn James was there to support Amber Kaufman and Mike Trapasso was there representing the baseball team in accepting the recognition from the BOR.

  173. Mike July 15, 2010 3:48 pm

    Where are the students? If they’re not back home on the mainland or neighbor islands, they’re probably working one of their two or three crappy-paying jobs trying to pay for their outrageous rent or their rising tuition. Just as likely, they’re not even aware that this is going on. I like my students at UH and KCC, but they’re part of a politically apathetic/disengaged generation and they’re about to get victimized again because they don’t care enough to pay attention.

  174. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 3:52 pm


    It’s just the athletic department’s turn at bat, and they are doing all that they can to get the ball rolling. Prior to 2007, what did the Athletic Dept really get? Most of JJ’s pay came from outside.

    Each department gets its turn at bat… whether someone leads and takes a full swing and makes a compelling argument that results in a home run is anybody’s guess. But rather than being jealous or resent a department for asking… these people should be questioning their own method of operations and asking themselves what they could do to get this kind of response. When Hamilton Library flooded, it was there turn. Did they carry the ball far enough to score a TD or just a field goal?

    As the saying goes, you can be part of the solution or part of the problem.

  175. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 3:52 pm


    were you one of the few students who spoke up at the meeting?

  176. Kazz July 15, 2010 3:54 pm


    What makes things worse is that those students that have strong opinions with regards to politics don’t have what it takes to get involved.

    They think they can blog all day and all night, buy Green Day albums, and download Michael Moore mockumentaries for free on their iPads and somehow the world will be a better place.

    I said it before, I am 27 and I see the potential in people my age and even those younger, but the self initiative had regressed as their knowledge of technology and sarcasm has increased.

  177. Kazz July 15, 2010 3:55 pm


    “Mike” is Mike Tsai.

  178. Kazz July 15, 2010 3:55 pm

    aka “Brother Mike”.

  179. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 3:59 pm

    Mike Tsai is a Ph.D candidate, i.e., a grad student.

  180. Just_someone July 15, 2010 4:00 pm

    By my count, 4 undergraduates spoke against, 1 in favor. Two of the opponents were from ASUH, the one supporter was the Student Athletics Representative. You can’t draw anyconclusions at all from these numbers or who actually showed. (There was a bunch of written testimony as well, though the oral report from the BoR Secretary did not classify them as students/not students. It is easier to get this kind of information from legislative hearings.)

    I would like to have heard the closed part of the Board discussion during “executive session”.

  181. Mike July 15, 2010 4:20 pm

    MIH: Good points, although what happened to Hamilton was a response to a mini-disaster, not really the sort of initiative that constitutes progress. I think the thing that many (not all) on upper campus are feeling is that the core mission of the university — to educate — is being obscured by a commodified interest whose theoretical value may be to offer extracurricular enrichment to a relatively small number of student-athletes but whose larger value to the community is simply entertainment. And, really, when have we ever debated a special fee to benefit the schools of architecture, public health, tropical agriculture, etc?

    Kazz: I’ve had a lot of lippy students who like to play classroom activist but never actually back up their words with action. I’m with you: step up or shut your hole.

    That said, Gigi, no, as a journalist, I’m not allowed to offer public testimony on anything. I just grouse on siblings’ blogs. Welcome back, BTW.

  182. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 4:25 pm


    When can I finally call you DOCTOR MIKE?

  183. Mike July 15, 2010 4:25 pm

    But just to be clear, I’ll happily pay the fee because I enjoy our athletic programs and I want them to do well. I just don’t like the idea that students and colleagues who don’t feel as I do will be forced to cough up an additional $50 for something that means more to people outside the university than it does to them.

  184. Mike July 15, 2010 4:28 pm


    The good news is that there definitely will be a Dr. Tsai in the next year or so: my wife, Tiff. Me, I’m on the 20-year plan.

  185. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 4:31 pm


    will it be Tiff, Ph.D. or Tiff, M.D. or Tiff, O.D., or…?

  186. Kazz July 15, 2010 4:32 pm

    Dave Reardon:
    July 15th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    So far six have spoken: 3 say yes, 3 say no

    Dave Reardon:
    July 15th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Motion is to approve, with oversight by board, by Dela Pena.
    Motion carried.

  187. Kazz July 15, 2010 4:33 pm

    Mei Ling LIVE at the BOR Meeting confirms:

    $50.00 IS APPROVED.

  188. d1島 July 15, 2010 4:37 pm

    Onward and Upward….

  189. d1島 July 15, 2010 4:38 pm

    11-3….a rout.

  190. Kazz July 15, 2010 4:43 pm


    As the Wahine softballers would say. It’s was mercy-ruled.

  191. Amy July 15, 2010 4:44 pm

    It’s weird to assume that, by treating people like fruit carts when they’re students, they’ll still turn into fruit trees after they graduate.

  192. d1島 July 15, 2010 4:45 pm

    their choice…

  193. d1島 July 15, 2010 4:47 pm

    …to do what they will with the lemons in the fruit cart.

  194. Mike July 15, 2010 4:51 pm

    Think I’ve seen a few $50 fruits on Bishop Street. (sorry)

  195. Kazz July 15, 2010 4:59 pm


    It will be there choice.

    UH in the future would benefit from more people like a Don Weir or a Mark Takai or any former UH student that applies himself or herself in the real world with what they have gained at UH Manoa in both the fields of academics and or athletics.

  196. Kazz July 15, 2010 5:00 pm

    July 15th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Think I’ve seen a few $50 fruits on Bishop Street. (sorry)

    Bishop AND Merchant? 😆

  197. Kazz July 15, 2010 5:02 pm

    WHAT IS GOING ON????????


  198. d1島 July 15, 2010 5:03 pm



    And then again, down the road, I can’t wait to interview the job applicant who tells me about not making it through UH because of the $50 athletic fee… 👿

  199. d1島 July 15, 2010 5:06 pm


    More good news…

    “Hannemann praises Council approval of sewage settlement”

    Boy, everybody getting their s**t together today! 😆

  200. Kazz July 15, 2010 5:08 pm

    LITERALLY!!!!!!!!! 😆

  201. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 5:08 pm

    #181… Mike…
    Since you mentioned this, I’ll ask again…

    What happened to all of these repair and upkeep projects that were supposedly brought to light after the Sugar Bowl? We had visits from members of State Government, followed by published lists in the Star Bulletin of what needs to be done, along with estimated costs. This was followed by more promises and pledges by State Government to find money to take care of these things. Then, all of a sudden, all we hear are crickets chirping.
    Does anyone know of any master plan, along with jobs and contractor bids and a schedule of when this work will start? (Or, has some of this work already begun?) I thought these things were going to be budgeted so that repairs and improvements would gradually bring us up to where we should be?

  202. d1島 July 15, 2010 5:10 pm


    What happened to all of these repair and upkeep projects that were supposedly brought to light after the Sugar Bowl?

    there was an election the following year… 🙄

  203. Kazz July 15, 2010 5:19 pm


    As a fan that frequents the UH athletic facilities for games I can tell you of a few things I have seen since 2008:

    -New green paint around the athletic complex and the arena.
    -Coaches offices in the complex getting do-overs (i.e. carpet changes, ceiling repairs, new football offices, etc…)
    -Roof repairs to the athletic complex and currently Les Murakami is having it’s roof changed.
    -Well documented new seats at the Les and new turf on both Ching Field and the Les.

  204. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 5:20 pm

    Is that supposed to be a sufficient answer? Election year?

  205. d1島 July 15, 2010 5:25 pm

    No, but good fun, eh?

  206. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 5:28 pm

    Thanks, Kazz, but the complaints on the condition of the buildings also included Upper Campus. That is what I haven’t heard anything about since the initial “shocked” discussions and “eye opening” visits.

  207. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 5:34 pm

    d1… rhetorical, I know, but… someone along the way dropped the ball. Pressure needs to be constant so that all of these things get taken care of… somehow.

    I really believe that if there are no (or minimal) complaints concerning Upper Campus, this will lead to the whole student body being more supportive of, and receptive to, their fellow student athletes.

    UH has to somehow learn to market the “whole college experience” to our kids.

  208. Kazz July 15, 2010 5:34 pm


    I cannot say. I want to assume that UH athletic facilities are seeing more improvements as I type this than academic facilities ONLY because as Jim Donovan says, “athletics is the front porch of this university” hence, the more documented concern in the media was with the athletic facilites especially with the timing of the popularity of the 2007 football season.

  209. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 5:36 pm

    More fans in the seats at all events means more funds for our University. Plain and simple. This leads to more support for our teams, and so on. We’ve got to move forward together.

  210. d1島 July 15, 2010 5:40 pm


    Look/Think back at the press (esp. TV) coverage and see who was there making the most noise and showing the most “concern”….

    Colt and the team was “hot” then and it was easy to latch on to them for “face time”.

    They got re-elected and moved on to the next news item…

  211. Amy July 15, 2010 5:41 pm

    The “whole college experience” for most people’s kids today is working 2-3 jobs to avoid going too far into debt, pushing off your graduation date because the classes you want aren’t being offered, and scrambling to get attention from professors and lecturers who overworked and underpaid. Oh, and apparently, having fantastic sports teams that people who don’t have classes and 2-3 jobs can enjoy watching at your expense. “Aloha.”

  212. d1島 July 15, 2010 5:45 pm


    It’ll be fun to watch when you land back on Earth…

  213. Amy July 15, 2010 5:52 pm

    Now, sweetie, what do you mean by that?

  214. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 5:53 pm

    Ok, Amy, you can ease up on the pity card. Many of us here have gone through the process. It’s not unique to this group of kids at UH only. In fact, some of us paid much more when we went through college at various mainland schools, than all of the UH students are having to pay today. Yes, I had a couple of jobs. But I didn’t use sympathy as an excuse to keep me depressed and stressed out. I opted to take part whenever I had the chance… and it wasn’t just sporting events that I made time for. I attended theater presentations, art exhibits, and countless other weird events that I wouldn’t otherwise have attended if I had sulked in my room whenever I was off.
    Just saying…

  215. chawan_cut July 15, 2010 5:59 pm

    winner winner chicken katsu dinner!!!
    i could use some of that right now.

  216. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 6:03 pm

    By the way, I got my Associates while I was in the Army, stationed in Korea back in 1983. Not an easy thing to be full time in the army and taking classes three times a week at night, as long as we weren’t deployed. And, yes, I still managed to see several sites around the country during my tour of duty. I found myself in a less than ideal situation, but was determined to make the most out of it, no matter what. I’m glad I did too.

  217. Amy July 15, 2010 6:04 pm

    The “pity card?” No. Specifically, I was playing the card in which I accuse you, and others, of facilitating the exploitation of students to sustain your personal entertainments and pastoral fantasies of college life. I don’t care for your pity, or to have your fantasizing directed at how I spend my time, and in what mood I spend it in.


  218. greenthumb July 15, 2010 6:07 pm

    MichiganWarrior, I have spent chunks of time on upper campus over the last few months and several of the buildings and classrooms are in a decades-long time warp. There is a bathroom stall in a particular building, for example, that has the same laminate on the doors and counters, and the same small section missing.

  219. Pomai July 15, 2010 6:07 pm

    Well this was the first BOR meeting I have ever been too. What I noticed was those that where opposed to the fee used the deplorable conditions that exist at UH, buildings falling apart an so on, so my question to those people is “What are you doing about it” if all you are doing is running your mouth then I would suggest that you step up to the plate and do something, go out help raise the money to fix things, now if you don’t then I would suggest that you say nothing at all.

    The other way to handle the whole matter is to change UH from a public institution into a private one where you pay for the whole thing, an take it off the back of the tax payers. (now that will go over like a lead balloon)

  220. d1島 July 15, 2010 6:09 pm

    Wow, somboddy wen learn beeg words this past year, eh? 😆

  221. d1島 July 15, 2010 6:09 pm

    I saw MeiLing on the news!

  222. koamahu July 15, 2010 6:11 pm

    # Mike:
    July 15th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Think I’ve seen a few $50 fruits on Bishop Street. (sorry)

    Must not be talking about little boy, ’cause I start at a $100.

  223. Amy July 15, 2010 6:17 pm

    What, d1, like “substituting” “intelligent” “debate” that “people” would have in a “free” and “fair” “society” with “ad hominum” “rhetoric” because I’d rather “sit” on my “butt” and “eat” “crackers?”

  224. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 6:17 pm

    Now this is about the exploitation of students? Pick an excuse and stick by it. First it was about the hardships of having a couple of jobs and not having the time to live through the “whole college experience”. Now, it’s about my personal entertainment and fantasies?
    I happen to love the University of Hawaii. I happen to be truly and genuinely concerned about the condition of the school. The whole school, not just the athletics parts. I am from Hawaii. I plan on returning with my family, and I hope some of my kids will continue supporting the University, as students, and then as alumni, like so many of their uncles, aunties, and cousins do.

  225. Pomai July 15, 2010 6:17 pm

    There where two who spoke and cried about living on a stipend of 15,000 a year an all that they had to go through to make ends meet, well I would suggest that they get a real job.

    Just as the boss used to say when cost increased “Well that the cost of doing business”. So 50 bucks more is just the cost of getting your education.

    The End

  226. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 6:22 pm

    #218… greenthumb… Thanks for that bit of information. That’s what I’m wondering about. There was lots of talk following the Sugar Bowl about a huge repair list, along with the projected costs. I was just wondering if anything was happening yet, or if it was all just swept under the rug. That is absolutely frustrating to me.
    I have a brother that just got through this past semester at Manoa. We will probably wait until UH West is opened in Kapolei before sending our oldest daughter to her first classes. She can keep working and saving for those dreaded textbooks.

  227. Slugger July 15, 2010 6:23 pm

    (Just now catching up on the blog…)

    Old School Dave,

    Noel Kent, long grey hair?, I believe was there.

  228. Not an Expert July 15, 2010 6:23 pm

    Why name it an athletic fee? Problem in itself. The transparency in spending money is minimal at best. Do you realize how many checks are written or charges are made on debit and credit cards. The transparency comes when an audit is done to summarize the finances and budget. Details are not and generalization is part of the clumping together of information. Only person who will get the gist of what is happening is the auditor to some degree and the person or person(s) collecting the money and spending it. Transparency is not there for all to see. Transparency comes to light when someone blows the whistle.

    Let’s say a fee is implemented, so now what? What are the major plans for each department of the university? and do they have one? Are everyone on the same page to attain what the goal is for the department? So what is the goal of the athletic department that the leaders want to attain and continue to achieve year in year out?

  229. Amy July 15, 2010 6:25 pm

    MichiganWarrior, the student groups who opposed the fee increase, and most of the people who testified at the BOR meeting, raised concerns about the chancellor’s and BOR’s priorities. Given the current crisis at the university, e.g., the cuts in lectureships and classes, and the increases in class sizes and enrollments, imposing a 22% fee increase on students to support athletics demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of, and lack of respect for, the issues that are currently facing students. Several speakers said that they would support a fee increase of this size if it truly would raise money to address fundamental campus concerns.

  230. Amy July 15, 2010 6:33 pm

    “well I would suggest that they get a real job.” What, doing something other than teaching your kids?

  231. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 6:33 pm

    Thanks, Amy.
    Like I said in #226 above to greenthumb… that kind of stuff frustrates me to no end. Are we paying the workers so much that we can’t afford materials and supplies to fix stuff? Or, do they need to be managed better so that they are in fact taking care of the buildings and grounds? Can we get volunteer groups in to help take care of the smaller issues? I used to hear of certain problems when I was last there, back in 96. I can’t believe those same issues still exist.

  232. Pauoa Boy July 15, 2010 6:36 pm

    Good luck to A.C. Carter, great to see he’s still living the dream of playing in the NBA all these years…

  233. d1島 July 15, 2010 6:38 pm

    *munch* *munch*

    Sorry, nevah like talk while I was eating crackahs…

    ….which, btw I bought with money I had left over after paying a hefty amount of State taxes which went, in part, to pay for a good chunk of the cost of keeping UH open so some people’s children could keep “adding homina homina”…

  234. cocobean July 15, 2010 6:39 pm

    I still feel the the fee should have been optional for current students until graduation, mandatory for new admissions starting Fall 2011. An optional fee would have taken the current student body out of the debate. Students like Amy (#211) wouldn’t have felt shafted(again).
    I also feel $50.00 is too low for the implied benefits. UH must be at the lower end of schools with such a fee. In a few years there’s going to be another ruckus when people start floating the idea that the fee should be increased, that even at 75.00-100.00 it’s still a bargain.

  235. Slugger July 15, 2010 6:42 pm

    I asked Jett when their next unsupervised practice was going to be. He said tomorrow at 7 am. Guess I’ll go walk up there tomorrow morning.

  236. Slugger July 15, 2010 6:44 pm


    I saw my backside on the news (KGMB), ugh! What channel were you watching?

  237. d1島 July 15, 2010 6:46 pm


    I was trying to be discreet about that bit of info… 😎

  238. Garret July 15, 2010 6:49 pm

    I’m glad that the student athletic fee passed…as long as this is considered just a first step in the process and UH doesn’t just point a finger at JD and tell him that this is all he needs to balance the budget. More money is needed just to balance the annual budget, not even counting the $10+ million debt.

    I’m glad that the student athletic fee passed…since it should increase student attendance at UH games. I remember when UH let the students in for free for that ESPN game last season that was on late and a lot of students showed up and made a lot of noise. That type of student involvement makes a difference for the teams and the students probably will have a great time and want to go to more games. Getting students to go to games will make future fans…who then become future season ticket holders and donors. Students can decide at the last minute to go to a basketball, volleyball, or baseball game on campus since they figure they don’t have to worry about buying tickets.

    I’m glad that the student athletic fee passed…I just wish that this would increase the amount of money that the Athletic Department had to spend.

  239. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 6:50 pm


    hahaha! you gotta be careful about the TV cameras. There was a segment on the news that showed me participating in the Bachman Hall sit-in in 1968.

    Next day, my boss at King’s Bakery fired me.


  240. Garret July 15, 2010 6:51 pm

    I think that it would be easier to have just done $100/semester now instead of going through this process again in a few years when they need to raise it to $100/semester or more.

    The thing is, if UH waits a decade or so to allow the Athletic Department to upgrade itself, the college sports world might have passed UH by.

  241. Pomai July 15, 2010 6:55 pm


    July 15th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    “well I would suggest that they get a real job.” What, doing something other than teaching your kids?

    Yeah that would be a start. And sweety my kids proably taught you.

  242. Pomai July 15, 2010 6:56 pm

    Well off to eat my crackers en drink my beer………………….. Nite all

  243. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 6:59 pm

    Semi-self autonomy… maybe it’s time to do away with it. Make the University more a part of the State’s problem. Semi-self autonomy seems to be make our University an “out of sight, out of mind” item that seldom gets a vote of support.

    Yes the economy sucks right now.. and it will probably be stuck in first gear for a few more years, maybe even go into reverse again. But then, it will eventually get back into overdrive… hopefully the right people will be in office then. Hopefully the University will have their act together and be ready to lobby strongly for all of their needs.

    But right now, in this difficult economy, if the athletic department can get an ear, that’s great. Next time the other departments can use this fee as a stepping stone to their demands and initiatives. Kill it and you may be stifling what chance many of the other departments will have to get to be heard. If one department can get heard and funded, that should give hope to the others. The other department should look at that in a positive light as an encouraging sign that the BOR wants to make some positive changes starting with the Athletic Department and eagerly await who’s next..

  244. Garret July 15, 2010 7:00 pm

    There are a *lot* of problems with the academic facilities at UH and the budget cuts that have eliminated classes that students need to graduate and have hurt the morale of professors and students. I’ve visited with faculty on most of my trips back to Hawaii and spent some time looking at classrooms and offices that were in pretty bad shape.

    When I thought of becoming a prof at UH, several faculty told me about all of the problems (crumbling dorms, leaking roofs, classes not being offered that are needed for graduation, etc.) and they told me that they would like for me to join UH but they didn’t think it would be good for me to work there. There are policies in place that makes it hard to work with UH if you are an outside company.

    So, I understand the frustration that some people have with this decision when they think that other things should have a higher priority. They have valid concerns about things that directly affect them and the learning environment at UH. They are also correct that UH has *not* communicated things well with them and are still not clear on things ($100k to $160k for the students…they passed a rule and don’t know how much money will go to which entity?).

    Given all that, this decision was still the right one for UH.

  245. Kazz July 15, 2010 7:03 pm

    Next step…

    Get Rainbowtique dollars into the athletic department’s pocketbook along with Aloha Stadium concessions and parking.

  246. Garret July 15, 2010 7:03 pm


    There have been times recently where the State actually *tried* to help UH and UH turned them down and criticized the offer of help…because UH seems to be so concerned about keeping autonomy. I’ve heard this first-hand and it is a barrier to helping UH that exists.

    Maybe the problem was HF and McCain…maybe things are different now.

  247. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 7:06 pm


    Who knows? Maybe next year Upper campus will simply re-finance the “loan” and spread it over a longer period of time.. essentially becoming an “interest only” type, low annual payment, loan. This would allow the bulk of the activity fee to be redirected to the Athletic Department and possibly help them balance the books. Then when the economy rights itself and the fee can be increased, payment against the balance could resume.

    Stranger things have happened.

  248. Amy July 15, 2010 7:07 pm


    Let me see if I get what you’re saying.

    Adjuncts at UH need to teach 2 classes a semester, the same as full-time faculty in most UH departments, to earn $15,000 without benefits. Graduate student assistantships average about $16,000 to one class per semester and are available, in most departments, for a maximum of three years. Say that the average Ph.D. takes 7 years to complete. Right now, if I understand right, about 35% of UHM courses are taught by graduate students and adjuncts.

    You think all these graduate and adjunct faculty who are paid unlivable wages should leave and get “real jobs?”

  249. Mike July 15, 2010 7:11 pm

    Having spent much too much time at both, lemme just say that as “deplorable” as conditions may seem at the athletic complex, they’re far better than, say, Kuykendall Hall. Our tenured professors would love to have the kind of offices our coaches, even assistant coaches, have. And while I too worry that budget problems could lead to the elimination of some of our smaller sports programs, I have to weigh that against the continuing loss of assistant professors and lecturers, many with decades of experience and significant contributions to their fields. Seriously, do you send your kids to college to enjoy great collegiate sports or to get a quality education? It doesn’t have to be an either-or proposition, but we do need to be straight about what the priorities are.

  250. roysan16 July 15, 2010 7:11 pm


    I respect your side of the story. I yield to any sensitivity you have against this fee. I yield to your feelings. In fact reading some of the post here it sickens me that you become the recipient of one poster’s barbs. I rather count my blessings that this imposed fee does come at the expense of the students, which in essence might keep the athletic program afloat. This buoyancy in turn allows me to enjoy watching UH sports. For you,your peers and future students at UH I humbly express my gratitude for carrying the extra weight on your backs. Thank you.

  251. Garret July 15, 2010 7:12 pm


    The *big* flaw in #247 is that UH had a *huge* budget deficit even when the economy was good and the team was winning. Other things must happen for UH to be able to afford Title IX and rising costs of travel and everything related to the Athletic Department.

  252. Garret July 15, 2010 7:15 pm


    Sadly, I agree with your post #249. The thing is, some people don’t care about the Academic situation at the University and get upset when they feel that the Academic side isn’t giving Athletics enough. No matter how badly the Athletic facilities got, I think that many classrooms and dorms were in worse shape.

  253. jj July 15, 2010 7:15 pm

    I am not too fond of the fee that has been passed. I am a current UH Manoa student that enjoys and supports many of the sports in the athletics department. But I must say that I do work and put myself through school and don’t like another price hike for school. I do understand that it is only $50 a semester but it is another increase in what I already pay. Since I first started at Manoa in 2006 my tuition has risen every year, and its now double what I paid my freshman year. I think its easy for Alumni or just people who just enjoy the atheltics to push and support this fee when their not the one who has to pay. I hope everyone who feels its ok for the students to pay has made a donation of equal amount to the school. I’m not trying to say that I dont support the athletic program as a matter of fact I have attended many football, volleyball, baseball, and waterpolo games. Also many memebers of my family are long time season ticket holders to numerous sports. I just feel that the money I already pay for school is not going the distance. The buildings on the upper campus needs to be renovated and maintained better but yet I still have to pay another fee to support athletics. I just feel that there are some things that are being overlooked and put on the back burner. Somethings need to be taken cared of before making students pay extra, in the meantime they should continue to solicit donations from alumni and maybe start the fee at a smaller amount.

  254. Kazz July 15, 2010 7:16 pm

    UH Rainbow Wahine Softball to participate in 2011 Cathedral City Classic


    Hawai’i, Fresno State and Nevada will all play in the nation’s most prestigious regular-season tournament — the Cathedral City Classic — in 2011.

    The annual Classic in the California desert has been considered the nation’s premier tournament since its inception, but the tourney has outdone itself this time around. It will feature not only the most demanding field ever in Cathedral City, but unquestionably the strongest tournament field ever assembled in college softball.

    Seven of the eight teams who reached the 2010 Women’s College World Series in Oklahoma City will be in Cathedral City next February. Those seven, including defending NCAA champion UCLA and defending Western Athletic Conference champion Hawai’i, finished this season as the top seven teams in the country in the final NFCA/USA Today Top 25 poll.

    The Cathedral City field will feature 24 teams who reached the 2010 NCAA Tournament, including 10 of the 16 teams that advanced to Super Regional play. In a who’s who of college softball, 22 of the teams in next year’s Classic were either ranked or received votes in the final NFCA/USA Today Top 25 poll this season. Amazingly, next year’s field in Cathedral City has combined to win 28 of the 29 all-time NCAA softball championships.

    The Rainbow Wahine will be making their third straight appearance in Cathedral City after going 1-3 there a year ago. Fresno State, which has beaten the likes of Texas, North Carolina, Maryland and Northwestern in this tourney the past two years, will participate in the Classic for a sixth consecutive season. Nevada returns after a one-year absence.

    In other tournament scheduling news, Fresno State and New Mexico State will each host tourneys to begin the 2011 season again on the second weekend in February. The field for the Aggies’ tournament includes Northern Colorado, while the Fresno State Kick-Off will include defending Big West Conference champion UC Davis.

    New Mexico State will travel to the UTEP Invitational (featuring North Dakota, Texas State and the host Miners, among others) February 25-27. Louisiana Tech will participate in the North Texas Courtyard Classic in early March, along with the likes of Ole Miss and Wichita State.

    Nevada will host the Wolf Pack Classic in mid-March, and the tourney will include 2010 NCAA Tournament participant Florida International, along with Princeton and Boston College.

  255. RedZone July 15, 2010 7:17 pm

    for those who haven’t checked it out yet.

    A lot of pictures at UH website of Kelly, Jenna, and Coolen.

    Kelly and sister.
    Jenna and Tim Tebow.
    Coolen and Mike Golic. more.

  256. Mike July 15, 2010 7:18 pm

    Again, don’t mean to be divisive here, but this discussion reminds me that my wife and I each teach 4 or 5 classes a semester, spending waayyyy more than 40 hours lecturing, grading, meeting with students, offering after-hours tutoring, etc. yet we make a hell of a lot less than I used to when I was eating hot dogs at the Stan Sheriff and watching Bolla scream from the sidelines. Hey, I love both jobs, but something in the way we sometimes judge the value of academics and athletics/entertainment seems out of whack.

  257. RedZone July 15, 2010 7:18 pm

    And more.

  258. Garret July 15, 2010 7:20 pm


    If the Athletic Department really wants the merchandising money, Upper Campus could easily given them 100% of that revenue and ask for their $10 million per year they give Athletics to be eliminated. Upper Campus, Lower Campus, *nobody* has enough money right now. If we are just looking at taking money away from somewhere else at UH to get Athletics more money, how is that funding going to be replaced? Cutting the money the Athletic Department is given by Upper Campus?

    The key is to somehow *increase* the money that UH overall has. A tuition increase (next year?) or new fee like this is one way, but you can only do that so much before good students are driven away. Asking the state for money ignores how the state is broke also. JD has done some creative things like the parking revenue increase and other measures are needed.

  259. Kazz July 15, 2010 7:22 pm

    July 15th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    for those who haven’t checked it out yet.

    A lot of pictures at UH website of Kelly, Jenna, and Coolen.

    Kelly and sister.
    Jenna and Tim Tebow.
    Coolen and Mike Golic.

    Yeah.. no thanks. 🙄

  260. greenthumb July 15, 2010 7:22 pm

    #226 MichiganWarrior, yep, it’s pretty sad. The main floor of Hamilton looks pretty now (let’s not discuss the basement and all the irretrievable losses following the flood), but when you enter the surrounding buildings, in many cases literally nothing has changed. In addition to that laminate in the women’s bathroom that I mentioned earlier, I found some graffiti in Bilger that looked pretty darn familiar.

    We can compare that with the med school (new and apparently well maintained) and the Stan Sheriff Center (maintained in part because of a son’s love) — and see that care and maintenance are possible. One issue, as many have said over the years, is construction is sexy, maintenance is boring. I hope that one of the things the new UH era is looking at is ways for the public and alums to pitch in on public work days. Granted, most of us can’t rebuild a Gartley or rewire a Gateway — and even those with the appropriate licenses, might face liability issues — but I know how to install sinks and refit faucet handles, and replace missing screws on lift-up desks in lecture halls/auditoriums. Ditto for re-sodding or re-plugging the big brown pathway between Hamilton and Varney.

  261. OZ July 15, 2010 7:23 pm

    Rainbowtique loses money. Don’t forget about labor and rent.

    Your donation will never go towards repairing Gartley Hall. Ask WassupDoc to explain (again) about capital improvements.

  262. Kazz July 15, 2010 7:24 pm

    But seriously, I must say that Kara Nishimura and the SID have done a fine job with their video blogs and updates on site and it started from the day the Wahine left for the WAC tourney and all the way through the WCWS.

    It’s a small step in improving the connection with fans and the programs we support.

  263. d1島 July 15, 2010 7:25 pm


    I thank you for your honesty and humility and mostly I thank you for your perseverance.

    It’s a good suggestion that you have made about others pitching in and sacrificing a little more to help the UHAD and I will keep you in mind when I donate more…

    Good Luck.

  264. Garret July 15, 2010 7:27 pm

    Things are heated at UH now…but they may be even crazier at SMU now. There may be some coaches quitting within a year and then things would really get messy!

    By the way, that 6’7″, 299-pound offensive tackle is apparently going to attend UCLA. The other recruit denied admission got a full athletic scholarship elsewhere. SMU actually denied a recruit that was admitted to an Ivy-league school and he had to appeal twice to get into SMU.

    “June and his staff aren’t getting the support they were promised,” says a source within the SMU athletic department. “There’s a lot of head-butting taking place.”

    But so disillusioned is Jones that he has yet to sign a contract extension offered to him last November. That extension, presented near the end of SMU’s first successful season since 1984, was trumpeted in a press release indicating Jones would remain the Mustangs’ head coach through 2014. But Jones not only has refused to sign the extension, he has also privately expressed doubt this summer about remaining on the Hilltop for the remainder of his initial five-year, $10 million deal.

    “Everyone in the program is frustrated,” says the source. “There’s the thought of, ‘If they want to go 1-10 every year fine, but they’ll do it without us.'”

    Jackson is a 6-foot-7, 290-pound offensive lineman from Lakewood, California, who could have played almost anywhere, including LSU, Arizona, UCLA, Oregon and Texas Tech. He was lured to SMU by Dallas’ vitality and Jones’ enthusiasm, arriving at SMU one day after his high-school graduation.

    Three weeks later, after familiarizing himself with the city and his new team, he was told by SMU’s admissions committee that he wasn’t smart enough—not good enough. Justification be damned, reneging on scholarships is a suicidal reputation for a school to be burdened with on the recruiting trail.

    “Yeah,” Jackson clarified. “The battle between the football program and the school. It’s pretty ugly.”

  265. Pomai July 15, 2010 7:30 pm

    Amy what I am saying is that those students are making a choice to continue school, no one is forcing them to go on, in making that choice you need to take into consideration what it takes, if they can not live with what they are making then I guess yes they need to get a job where their needs are met. Life is about choices, an you make the ones that you need to make.

  266. Amy July 15, 2010 7:32 pm

    Compensation, Pomai, is about equal pay for equal work.

  267. d1島 July 15, 2010 7:32 pm

    something in the way we sometimes judge the value of academics and athletics/entertainment seems out of whack.

    1) You’ll never see ESPN hold a telethon to raise operating funds.
    2) I bet there were way more UH students at Ward Theatres today watching the vampire movie (and not for the 1st time) than even thought about showing up for the BOR meeting.

  268. gigi-hawaii July 15, 2010 7:34 pm

    I am being 1/2 facetious 1/2 serious when I dispense this advice: Get married!

    Two incomes are better than one, believe me. I speak from experience.

  269. d1島 July 15, 2010 7:38 pm


    That SMU story is getting *really* interesting.

  270. Kazz July 15, 2010 7:38 pm

    “Twilight” has officially KILLED the image of what a vampire should be.

    What kind of vampire goes out into the sun and doesn’t die but sparkles????



  271. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 7:38 pm

    #258… Garret… then we need a big, statewide push for more okoles in the seats, especially in venues that we know will make the school some extra money!

  272. Amy July 15, 2010 7:38 pm


    Great idea, IF YOU’RE STRAIGHT!!

  273. Kazz July 15, 2010 7:40 pm

    Has all the PF Chang’s locations in Dallas moved or shut down?

  274. Kazz July 15, 2010 7:41 pm

    July 15th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    #258… Garret… then we need a big, statewide push for more okoles in the seats

    Panda Travel can’t afford to give away the amount of free trips to Vegas for this to work.

  275. d1島 July 15, 2010 7:43 pm



    I think maybe somebody’s slippers wearing out sooner than he expected! 😉

  276. MichiganWarrior July 15, 2010 7:44 pm

    #260… greenthumb… That’s what I’m talking about! There’s got to be creative, legal ways for the community to be able to offer the help, AND the school to be able to accept it.

  277. Kazz July 15, 2010 7:44 pm


    Might have to remind someone to call them “slippers” and NOT “flip flops”.

  278. d1島 July 15, 2010 7:53 pm

    …or shower shoes!!! 👿

  279. Stephen Tsai July 15, 2010 7:57 pm

    Just so you know, Jeremiah Masoli is NOT coming to UH.

  280. 3 star recruit July 15, 2010 8:02 pm

    Thanks to everyone on this blog for clearing up some questions that I had. I am a football player at an ILH school. We keep getting phone calls and letters from PAC-10 and Big XII schools. I kept telling my dad that I am a Warrior all the way. My dad pointed out this blog to me and said that bloggers write that the facilities are in deplorable condition. He said that the state doesn’t give the school money to maintain the facilities. With that being the case, I will drop Hawaii from my list of possible schools that I will attend. Thanks to all of the readers here who helped prevent me from making a big mistake.

  281. A-House July 15, 2010 8:03 pm


    your #152 – student and faculty resentment of athletics – who at upper campus is responsible for publicizing accomplishments of students and faculty? why blame the athletic department if their accommplishments or failures get more attention than upper campus?

  282. Oops July 15, 2010 8:06 pm

    Athletics gets $5 million in athletics scholarships from tuition money each year from upper campus and has a $12 million dollar debt that is getting worse by $2 million a year. Upper campus pays about $5 million a year for athletic’s electricity, janitors, security, building and facilities’ maintenance etc. The $2 M in student fees will help stem the bleeding but you do the math. If the community doesn’t support athletics, Manoa can’t carry it on their own forever. Something has to give.

  283. d1島 July 15, 2010 8:06 pm

    Well, it mighta been fun to watch the two Miahs compete on the hardwood again during Spring…

  284. Stephen Tsai July 15, 2010 8:09 pm

    The accumulated debt is $10 million.

  285. ai-eee-soos July 15, 2010 8:19 pm

    279. Stephen Tsai:
    July 15th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
    Just so you know, Jeremiah Masoli is NOT coming to UH.

    BEST news of the day !!!

    Thank you, ST.

  286. Pomai July 15, 2010 8:24 pm

    #281 A-House maybe the students and faculty need to form their own booster clubs?????

  287. raiderh808 July 15, 2010 8:28 pm

    There are some students celebrating today… I’m one of them. =)

  288. A-House July 15, 2010 8:40 pm

    for those who “bash” the athletic department because facilities on upper campus is bad, pay is insufficient, etc. please “push” my suggestion of assessing a $500 – $1,000 per semester fee for all students at UH-Maona to address your concerns.

    afterall, your contribution will directly affect better facilities, better pay, more “teachers”, etc. let’s see, $500/student x 20,000 students = $10,000,000 per semester. that’s a hell of a start. maybe, you can encourage former students/profs to donate to the cause. Of course, none of the fee can be used for salaries.

    btw, Pride, your idea of “etching” a name on a seat at aloha stadium for $200 will also bring in the $10,000,000 – but this is a one time deal – mine is perpetual!!!

    best of all, the cost is still way less than what students are paying on the mainland.

  289. Kazz July 15, 2010 8:44 pm

    For $200.00 added to my football season tickets, I’d like the freedom to bring and ignite fireworks into Aloha Stadium.

  290. Kazz July 15, 2010 8:50 pm


    If people are going to pretend to be someone else at least they should lie a little better.

  291. Kazz July 15, 2010 8:52 pm


    Well, I am NOT celebrating tonight.

    I buy this bag of Maui Onion-flavored chips and they are skimping on the onion flavor.

    Freakin’ deplorable!!!!!!!!!! 👿

  292. Kazz July 15, 2010 8:54 pm


    No worries. C’mon, we go blow off some steam this weekend.

    Batter’s Box Hawaii batting cages out at Barber’s Point.

    Be there! 😎

  293. jm2375 July 15, 2010 9:02 pm

    Howzit Tsaikos!

    Finally caught up with reading today’s blog entries.

    I am in favor of the fee and yes, it should be higher. For those who say that sports programs are not needed at the university level, I challenge you to name one university/college that doesn’t have at least one sports program. I’m not talking about those newfangled multi-site university like Phoenix or Argosy.

    UH tuition is a bargain compared to Mainland schools. Charlie Wade said that is one of the selling points to a recruit’s family, esp the ones from California.

  294. Old School Dave July 15, 2010 9:25 pm

    I’m happy that the BOR passed the student activity fee measure. On the other hand, I agree that it’s a rough road for those who work and go to school and try to make ends meet. I was in those same shoes decades ago, went to school in the mornings, worked the 3:00 to 11:00 shift throwing around suitcases at the airport. Still managed, to attend UH football and baseball games when I did have a Satuday or Sunday off.

    BTW, to Amy. If you are a grad student with a MA, (this isn’t me being a wise guy) and looking to earn some extra income, the athletic department’s often advertises for academic tutors for student athletes. I recently saw an ad for the fall semester. Requirement is that you have an MA degree. The pay is very generous.

  295. Mike July 15, 2010 9:48 pm

    A-House: Publicity for athletics is a well-funded (relative to other campus initiatives), in-house operation. Publicity for the most of the rest of the campus is handled by the Office of University Relations, which has a staff much smaller than the breadth of its responsibilities (I know, I used to work there).

    I just don’t think “interest” should be gauge here, especially when that interest comes primarily from off campus. Physics isn’t especially interesting to a broad cross-section of society, but it is important and its students are well worth the investment. Sports are really important to a lot of people, including me (its a major component of my doctoral research), but it is by definition “codified nonpurposeful activity,” and its direct value to those other than the limited number of participants lies in entertainment.

  296. roysan16 July 15, 2010 9:58 pm

    SMU football coach June Jones says he’ll sign extension

    12:06 AM CDT on Friday, July 16, 2010

  297. Slugger July 15, 2010 10:02 pm

    From the BoR meeting, it sounded like the Athletics dept. has been paying the interest on the money loaned.

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  299. Slugger July 15, 2010 10:30 pm

    Athletics is the face of UH on the mainland. The football games or basketball games were the ones I got to see on TV when I lived on the mainland. In the decades I lived there, the only thing I remember reading about UH research was the glowing mice.

    Basically, athletics helps with marketing the university to non-residents who attend UH and pay higher tuition, which in turn, adds to the monies available for academics. Non-residents pay $6000 more than residents; the price of going to school in paradise.

    The new fee is restricted in its use to scholarships, travel & subsistence, materials & supplies. With the Athletic dept. not needing a loan from UH administration to cover their deficit spending, there’s more money available in the University’s general fund to cover academics, etc. ~ $2 million more. I think JD has a plan on how to pay off the loan, but we need to hear from Jim.

    Building maintenance & backlogs in maintenance seem to be a common problem at state universities. NAU went to the AZ Legislature to obtain money to start catching up on the backlog. I don’t know enough about the UH budget & funding to venture a guess of how they deal with that problem.

  300. Slugger July 15, 2010 10:39 pm


    The fee at $50 is acceptable at that level right now. You don’t want to overload the students too much. The BoR said that they will be talking about a tuition increase next year. If the Athletic fee were doubled as some people have suggested, it would be a tougher fight for the Board to get a tuition increase passed in a year.

  301. Slugger July 15, 2010 10:47 pm

    #299 ~ That difference of $6000 in tuition between resident & non-resident is PER SEMESTER.

  302. Slugger July 15, 2010 10:52 pm

    Mahalo to Stretch & (J)J for their monthly matching donations to the Tsaiko UH Foundation account. Mahalo to gigi & David for your donation, too.

    We know that the Tsaikos can rally & provide support. It’s still going to be needed in full force this year.

  303. BleedGreen808 July 15, 2010 10:59 pm

    Good evening to everyone! Hope all is well in tsaiko land. Been a while since I’ve posted.


    Students’ will forget about it in the next couple of months. Besides, this gets UH’s sporting events a more of a college atmosphere.

  304. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 11:05 pm

    Between 1984 – 1994, the years I lived abroad (Europe and Japan) I was starved for news about home (No internet like it is today back then.). The only tidbits I could get were in the sporting news and boy did I gobble those up. It was my connection back home and made me feel grounded. When I came back following my divorce in 94 and being very very depressed by the loss of my life savings to both my ex-wife (lost my working visa and company) and my brother (lost my life savings from the sale of our condo in Hawaii). Tried to get help for abused spouses but there is no help if the abused is the husband. So I called the Suicide hotline just to clear my head a few times… but they’re not geared for advice. Got to get Title IX for that. Football was going down hill but the women’s volleyball team inspired me. The Women’s basketball teams also inspired me. Riley Wallace was still in there and there seemed to be a healthy rivalry between the men’s and women’s teams… also a lot of romance between the players. UH Sports kept me grounded. Kept my spirits up even when Religiion split my family apart (siblings and I). It was something I could do with my father whom I had been alienated with since I was 15 (I left home in a huff… didn’t talk to him for years, but managed to mend the rift with him through UH sports on TV and at the Stadium.)

    I’m a UH alumni. I never played on any team at UH. I paid the student activity fee back when I was a student. I worked two jobs.. one full time, one part time. I acted in 37 plays so always had access to the plays at Kennedy for free… I seldom had time to go to the games, and managed only to go to a few when I could, because I had paid my activity fee. But those few, I truly believe, played a vital role in my later years. It brought me close to my father so that I would have no regrets when he passed two years ago. They inspired me when I was down and broke and gave me back my wings to compete in the world again.

    Made me believe that I could win just enough times to make it all worthwhile. And, I still believe. So I give when I can afford to.. cheer loud as heck when I can’t… but you’d have a hard time selling me that an activity fee isn’t a good deal for a college kid.

  305. madeinhawaii July 15, 2010 11:17 pm

    So, when my son finally (hopefully) enters UH as a student in a couple of years, I’ll be happy to pay that activity fee for him. Who knows? Maybe it’ll bring us closer, too. Give us some common ground to talk about. I’d like that. I think he would, too.

  306. jm2375 July 15, 2010 11:44 pm


  307. J-FORCE July 16, 2010 12:27 am

    #306 MIH, Good One!!
    BEAT trojans!!

  308. Amy July 16, 2010 12:28 am

    Thanks, Old School Dave. I’m a couple of semesters away from finishing my PhD. I tutor online with a couple of different companies, and teach at a few different colleges, including UH. For a grad student, I’m doing pretty okay moneywise. What has motivated me to write all this, and testify earlier today, is my concern for grad students who are going to be here after I leave. They aren’t paid a fair wage, and faculty and administrators alike take advantage of them. Honestly, I can’t tell you the last time I heard a graduate recommend UH to someone who wanted to come here to do significant grad work. It’s just a raw deal — we work in the same ballpark of teaching or research hours that full time faculty work, depending on our jobs, get paid about 10% of what they get paid to do the same kinds of tasks. We were the first and most severely cut during the budget crisis. And now we’re told to pay up 22% more to support, what…. athletics?!.

  309. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc July 16, 2010 1:12 am

    Kazz – thanks for the comments about my testimony. I have to say that as an experienced public policy advocate, I was stunned and embarassed at the comments made by the first speaker. Not only was she loud & rude, she bragged about how she should have been appointed the Student Regent and challenged the one who was sworn in earlier this year as being lazy & incompetent.

    George Simson, a retired professor and someone I’ve known since I was in my mid-teens, spoke against the fee. Noel Kent did also. Most of the students were polite but clearly in opposition to the fee because they felt that it should be used to improve the academic programs and the facilities.

    One student sort of attacked me because I said that we all have to taxes and fees since that this is part of living in a civil society – even if we object to what our dollars buy. I referred to the war in Afghanistan as something that I have no choice but to help pay for. The young man did not like having the fee compared to the Afghan War, but I certainly don’t want it, don’t need it, and can’t afford it – all the same arguments made by the opponents of the fee.

    Because I had to get back into town for the Homeless hearing at the Capitol and five other meetings/briefings throughout the day/evening, I couldn’t stay for the balance of the BOR meeting + the decision-making. I wish I could have.

    As for the West O`ahu rumor: It will be at least 10 years before the campus will have its four classroom buildings completed. It will not replace Manoa but is intended to play the same general role in Hawai`i’s higher education as UH Hilo.

    At least two people were very distressed about spending money on West O`ahu while the Manoa campus needs so much work. Hey, that’s a whole other subject, but they are right.

    Time to go.

  310. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc July 16, 2010 1:13 am

    to bed.

  311. Capitol -ist/WassupDoc July 16, 2010 1:17 am

    Whoops!!! ……. we all have to pay taxes and fees since this is part of living in a civil society.

  312. d1島 July 16, 2010 3:05 am

    Great Morning All!

    Hope the Warriors have a great uw this morning.

    Erryboddy have a terrific day!


  313. MichiganWarrior July 16, 2010 3:40 am

    #304… MIH… Sorry to hear of your past situation, but glad that you found the inspiration to move on. Good one! We all have our (horror) stories.
    To this day, that is the main way we connect back home… through UH athletics. Whether I was stationed on the east coast, west coast, Korea, or Japan, for many service members, we take pride in our schools back home. On Armed Forces television stations overseas, the only thing we see in regards to our schools are athletic events. They don’t air robot competitions. Documentaries are super rare, and usually only shown if it’s tied to a crisis of some sort. So we can forget about watching lava flow, whales off the coast, or what new galaxies have just been found.
    It is sports that ties us to our hometowns… sports that gives us pride and boosts our spirits to continue serving… sports that also brings out healthy competition amongst fellow service members.
    Perhaps a UH tv station can change and balance this output. To tell the truth, I find the scientific stuff that goes on amongst the various departments more interesting. Toiling day to day, working to uncover some new secret or cure… that kind of stuff is awe-inspiring. A tv station can bring to light the need for more funding for specific booster clubs. It could also be used to identify and remind the public of those lingering problems that so desperately need to be addressed.

  314. MichiganWarrior July 16, 2010 3:41 am

    #311… Doc… Thank you for doing what you do, and the manner in which you get it done!

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