Bowens moves to WR
Kwamane Bowens, who has been used at cornerback this season, moved to wide receiver this week. Bowens appears to be more comfortable on offense.
The move was made because: 1) receiver Keith Kirkwood still has not been cleared to participate in contact drills, and 2) Anthony Pierce has emerged as a reliable third cornerback. (John Hardy-Tuliau also can play corner, if needed, because of the rapid ascent of safety Trayvon Henderson.)
There is a strong possibility that receiver Billy Ray Stutzmann, who has seven catches and two touchdowns in two games, will be in the opening lineup. Stutzmann can play X, Z and slotback.
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You’re always the First Lady.
Go Swammie!!!!
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Yeah was great to see #25, Pierce getting lots of PT on special teams and backup CB, last week.
Wonder if Dad, Antonio, will be making more Home Games.
Saw him at the USC game..
Good morning, Tsai-kos and Lurk-ers! 😀
Yo GMAhoney and BWD!
Thanks for the congrats earlier, Loa! Happiness! Haha
ST – hiya too! Thank you for all that you do for us fans!
BigWave
Antonio Pierce was at the Nevada game, too.
Make necessary adjustments, coaches! Hoping for the best!
A behind-the-scenes moment came after the Nevada game. Nick Rolovich didn’t feel it would be appropriate to meet-and-greet with the Hawaii players after the game. Instead, he stood in the shadows of the parking lot, and just watched the Rainbow Warriors from a distance. It sort of reminded me of someone who will drive past his childhood home. Rolo and Hawaii will always be linked.
CB Isaac Brutton commits to Hawaii, per jeezy. And Jeezy usually is on the money with this type of commit stuff but Tsai can you confirm this?
And I was just thinking? We can’t blame Ben Jay for picking up a $1.2 million body bag game against Ohio State. He is trying to find money to build the enitre Hawaii Althetic Program facilities up to get the PAC 12 attention, I mean the golf team, diving team, softball team and many other sports dont generate money/revenue. But the Volleyball and Football teams do, mostly the Football team. So I guess the young men on the Football team will have to continue to make the University money and help pay for the other 20+ sports teams. The Oct 19th Colorado game would have helped too!
I didn’t hear all of the AD’s interview on BC’s Monday 1420 program, but what I heard didn’t give me the impression that he felt (or was willing to acknowledge) that Coach Chow needed experienced OC, QB, and WR coaches (e.g. money) to turn the program around in a reasonable amount of time. Coach Chow’s statements at the beginning of the season indicated that he recognized that he tried to do too much last season, but then he “let go” Coach Price and said he and the staff wouldn’t have any problem filling in for the OC.
After 15 FBS games under Coach Chow, we have 1 win and (seemingly) not much of a sense of urgency to fill key coaching positions with experienced personnel. My fear is that there is a 5 year coaching contract that can be pointed to as an estimated timeline for turning the program around. However, UH is scheduling the Rainbow Warriors to play away games against big name teams for big bucks. The money should be there for a complete staff of experienced coaches.
The job of the AD and HC is to provide the Rainbow Warriors with the tools they need to win. Currently, that doesn’t appear to be happening. Performance on the field, hopefully winning, is the metric for success.
One Season
There is no way I believe that BJ could schedule body bag games for the Hawaii Football team and then turn around and use all that money on the football coaches salary. The 20+ non money making UH sports teams need money too. Thats the problem that most schools have, the Football and Basketball teams bring in the majority of the money to the University but they have 15-20+ sports teams mouths to feed that don’t make the University squat.
I don’t see the University of Hawaii spending big money on coaches for a while. McMuffin cost over $5 million over his contract with a annual salary of around $1.2 million which is the same as the Ohio State body bag game payout. And for the highest paid coach amoung June Jones, Norm Chow and all other Hawaii football coaches, we got what in return for that huge Salary? June Jones and Norm Chow are a bargin compared to McMuffin and are better recruiters and have the national media respect and college football world respect that McMuffin never had. So when comparing McMuffin to anybody must include the huge paychecks that he collected and never achieved the level of success of June Jones who got paid way less. You don’t always get what you pay for.
Good snowy morning, gang! (Well, it’s snowing lightly here.)
ST ~ Mahaloz for the updates. Looking forward to seeing the guys playing again.
GO WARRIORS!!!
Good Morning!
Getting ready for Vegas.
@ 13 Whats up
here are the questions I would ask…
1) Do the Rainbow Warriors have a critical need for an experienced OC, QB coach, and/or WR coach?
2) How much can UH afford?
With respect to #2, I don’t see $0 being the right answer. Excusing this lacking due to a supposed veil of poverty doesn’t wash with me.
Rolo will return. Rich Miano on L&L last night stated the football team has bad Karma due to how poorly the previous coaches (who have deep roots in the community) were treated during the transition to the new staff.
11. It’s def confirmed 100%. Has 4 years to play 3.
Whats up-
Let me add to the great points you’ve made. Even with the addition of revenue generated from a body bag game, how does UH sustain and maintain that cash flow the following year? And the year there after? a team can only play so much body bag games.
Periodic revenue generated from these games or a sudden influx of cash from a wealthy donor are good solutions for the interim. Still, the program needs better, more long term solutions put into place.
Currently, the problem with these sudden influx cash flow is they get applied immediately to cover the current debt. A solution needs to be made where that money can be used where it works perpetually in UH’s favor. A perfect way is to create endowments.
UH has the UH Foundation. Anyone can donate money to UHF and start an endowment that specifies who or what will receive benefits generated from it. One of the greatest things with an endowment is once it hits 25G it becomes self sustaining. It will perpetually generate revenue on its own. Meaning one doesn’t have to constantly give and give and give to feed the account.
If there was a list made of all the needs for each minor sport: travel expenses, scholarships, equipment,… Now endowments were set up for each challenge to where we could donate to. This would go a long way of helping UH slowly develop a footing and give it a chance to grow.
The general rule is football financially supports the minor sports. The thinking is if the minors become self sustaining, thats less support football needs to give and more cash they can keep.
You, me anyone here on the blog can start an endowment through UH Foundation. It can be specified who or what benefits from it. Once that account reaches 25G it becomes self sustaining and will give back to UH forever.
Now the revenue generated may be small. But every little thing helps.
I would love to see UH emulate what was done at Stanford. All 85 football scholarships are endowed. They never have to worry about finding funds to cover those expenses ever again.
What will the weather be like in Las Vegas?
#13:
UHAD should NOT be blamed for Coach Mac’s $1.2 million salary.
After all, it was upper campus administration who negotiated the deal and contract.
Such a poor job of reviewing the wording that Mack’s attorney took UH to the cleaners. BTW, that attorney was a former BOR member and Chair.
Perhaps it’s in the cards/future that Rolo will return to be a coach at UH – the ties are strong and I believe his wife is from here.
We met them several times at the Baseball bash in the SSC.
Rolo and I have a connection in that his Dad is a very close friend of a “officer candidate” I helped train at the Armor OCS program in the mid-60s. Matter of fact this same person was instrumental in securing Rolo’s picture for our UH collection/memorabilia.
#11… Good thing the basketball team appears to be ready to break out this year (Note, it’s taken Gib Arnold 4 recruiting classes and a lot of turnover to finally get the roster he wants). The Stan Sheriff will be rocking this year. I think UH will get a nice revenue bump from the basketball program over the next several years.
I see 2 NBA prospects (Issac Fotu 6’8″ PF, & Negus Webster-Chan 6’7″ SG) on the roster and Christian Standhardinger (6’8″ SF/PF) will probably play in Euro league. Webster-Chan is sitting this year per transfer rules, but he looks awesome. Fotu is an athletic beast and has developed a perimeter game this past offseason.
20…
Nice Weather forcast… mid 70’s and should be sunny. Storm blew through last night and maybe more today, but weather should start clearing tomorrow continuing through the weekend…
In other words, it’ll be perfect weather for us fans in the stands.
Shouldn’t the o-line competition have been settled in training camp, or at least by…say game 6 of the season?? Does the musical chair routine help or hinder the desired consistent productivity??
why would an nba team want nwc? will he be as productive as carl english? probably not. two keys to this season will be shamburger and nevels.
is gib still waiting for gerry blakes and ronnie stevens?
Gib Arnold competed off the bat! It’s not like he lost every game for 2 years. So far chow has one win vs a real D1 team (unlv) the others were sub division and one in its first year d1.
ST . . . Thanks for the Rolo tidbit. Don’t care what people say, I like that guy. I hope to see him back on our sidelines . . . one day.
whats up – fyi, women’s volleyball is self supported. 21 sports including co-ed cheerleading, that leaves 19 others. not 20+. on a good year baseball could break even. basketball would probably make money if gib’s recruiting philosophy didn’t suck the 1st 3 years.
if we have the same intensity level we had during the Fresno St. rally, we have a chance @ UNLV. the concern is the dropoff in intensity, like what occured during the San Jose St. game.
What’s up your a fool if you think we should make a bcs bowl every few years. My expectations are to compete every game, win majority of games and every 3-4 years have a ranked team. Those are realistic expectations. So get over it June jones left us and took our sugar bowl appearance wit him. The 2009 team had the QB not been injured would have been a better team… The 2011 team would have made it to a bowl had the QB not berm injured. But the 2009 injury made way for a good 2010 team and had we not bailed on Mack 2012 would have been good and I truly believe 2013 would have been a special team. Think about it we have a badass defense (9of11 starters Mack’s) and all we needed was a mediocre offense to have beat all these teams! We really could b 5-0 with the RnS right now!
#18 – Isaac Brutton from St. Thomas Aquinas? Wow! Another Florida DB. That’s a good sign. St. Thomas puts a whole bunch of guys into the NFL on a yearly basis. Hopefully Brutton is like all the rest of those St. Thomas ball players. Great job by our Hawaii coaches
12. One Season: You shorted us one victory. We have 2 wins vs. FBS teams so far, South Alabama and UNLV.
32. Yeah power house. He’s playing this year at college of sequoias in California ..
It’s ridiculous seeing some of these posts saying that UH shouldn’t have bailed on coach Mack. I bet if you go back in the archive of this message board a few years ago those very same people were calling for his head. Dave Reardon on the radio said it best. This team is very much improved from a year ago even if the record doesn’t reflect it. For those who can’t see it are just blinded because of their dislike of Chow and the current staff.
this team has played more competitive despite the record and im glad for that obviously would prefer wins but i knew it would be tough. We basically were in every single game except nevada. I know everyone said fresno state took the foot off the pedal but i think thats right to an extent but in the end WE HAD a chance to win that game.
I can guarantee you can go back and always see I backed mack . Anyone here who are regular bloggers know I always havr
Jonj: We could be 5 – 0 with Chow’s offense . . . had we played well. The problem is with execution. We’re executing ourselves on offense!
@whats up
I wouldnt say Mcmackin isnt respected nationally as a dc i think he is well known nationally
Morning, Gang!
Like hearing the positive news, and the possibilities it may lead to.
Just want to see us competitive and not repeating mistakes over and over… from the top, down.
Was supposed to have a rep from a solar company visit us at home to discuss possibilities. He called an hour ago to say he was sending a rep over to take a better look at our roof, because the satellite picture wasn’t telling enough. After a couple of lengthy previous discussions, and an agreement to meet today for more information and possible price packages, he flakes out and says he will send someone else, and then send me a quote via email. Nah, no thanks.
One of my kids had a fever the past couple of days, so we didn’t do much. Guess I’m taking them out to one of the lagoons at Ko ‘Olina shortly…
See you all later. Gotta finish making these PB&J sammies…
Have a great day, everyone!
At UNLV, 230 Hawaii fans of our group sitting at the 50 yd line between rows 9-21; and another 30 sitting in the endzone sections 116 & 117.
Gary Allen will be sitting with a few other former players in Sect. 107, row 17; seats 19-33 (33 is the aisle seat); and he will shake hands with all of you–just go there and say hello. Former leading tackler & MLB Gonzo from the Von Appen team will also be with us. Also sitting in our group will be the families of our OG, MLB, kicker and DT. Plus a few Tsaikos.
The stadium will be announcing our group name of WARRIOR NATION sometime in the 2nd or 3rd quarter; so everyone please stand and wave your hands so I can see you–unfortunately I can’t make it to this game but will be watching intensely on the internet.
ONE LAST THING; GO WARRIORS; WE BELIEVE!
To say we could be and we aren’t is stupid! Becuz we are currently in the chow era! Chows offense hasn’t been good the past 6-7 yrs anywhere. And I guess it all about the execution right?? Titans, ucla, Utah all had problems becuz the players weren’t good enough to execute.
#42. Chow’s O at Utah was good enough to win 7 plus beat GTech in the Sun Bowl. Google up the 2011 Sun Bowl highlights. It was a grind it out type WCO that was pretty efficient.
BTW. Last night I was being sarcastic when I asked if it would help put an identity to his offense if he called it The Poi Dog Offense.
If we scheduled a few cupcakes, would we still be grumbling?
3-2 with visions of sugar plums dancing in our Xmas heads…..not Chow’s fault, he didnt make the schedule.
I dont mind playing those big name schools possible chances to motivate our players to play better.
Jonj, you were the one saying we could be 5 – 0 if we were running the RnS. “Think about it we have a badass defense (9of11 starters Mack’s) and all we needed was a mediocre offense to have beat all these teams! We really could b 5-0 with the RnS right now!” I was just making a funny (off of your above-mentioned statement). I don’t think anyone can really say that we have a badass defense right now.
cocobean:
Prior to that, Utah was already recruiting with a BCS future promise. Not Hawaii. We are MWC in football only, and only recently. We won’t often get the type of recruits Utah got. And we don’t have the money to wait it out.
One of the Warrior program’s problem is in the demographics of its fan base. While most of America enjoy a fan base that is comprised mostly of fans between 18-24 years of age, not Hawaii. We are an anomaly. The Warriors have a huge base of elderly fans, and if they don’t renew their tickets, they won’t be coming back to the stadium. They will be at some restaurant or at home watching Warrior football in the years to come.
Dropping the Activity fee in the late 70’s has hurt the athletic department and it’s fan base. That’s the real culprit. Had those fees kept coming in, there may never have been a deficit. And we would have never run out of soap. Lots of things might have been different. The fees are back, but it will take a good number of years for the fees to have the kind of impact the program needs. They probably need to be raised too so that the students take advantage of what those fees entitle them to.
While soliciting large donations from potential corporate donors is helpful, it is not sustainable. What is really needed is greater community support for all UH athletics, not just the major money makers such as football, men’s basketball, Wahine volleyball. Anyone can write a check, but the best way the community can “donate” to UH athletics is to attend events that charge admission. Locals should try attending sports that they wouldn’t normally view to support the UH teams. That sends a strong message to the student-atheletes that they have the community’s support by seeing fans in the stands.
Good to read that Graham is healthy. 3 QB’s could get playing time. Different, but hey, whatever it takes for our chop suey offense to score points and win this game.
View From Afar,
That is a good point and only HELPS the bottom line.
MANY… MANY people are satisfied with saying the non-revenue programs are just that and will remain that and they feel as “non contributors” to UH athletics in the pocket book (DEPSITE DOING WELL ON THEIR OWN IN THE WIN COLUMN AND HAVING ALL ACADEMIC ATHLETES PLACING A POSITIVE LIGHT ON THE UNIVERSITY…) that more push should be given to the football and mens basketball programs.
This is where the backwards thinking begins. Non-revenue sports that can carry a decent sized spectator base for television and during live games like soccer and softball will only remain non-revenue programs as long as they are treated as such. The amount of marketing done for programs like this is not where it needs to be to allow maximum exposure which would result in the ability to see SOME revenue from it and Im not talking about going into the black completely, but if soccer and softball cost “X” each year and they bring in ZERO dollars that doesn’t do anything, but if soccer and softball cost X and they can bring in some dollars to decrease that “X”, wouldn’t that be better for the bottom line?
The boosters and donors for the “smaller” programs do their own to try to help and supplement what each program needs to maintain themselves in addition to their budgets allotted, but if there is no effort to treat and nurture other programs as some kind of form of revenue then that is a major oversight.
People with gender biases when it comes to sports.. well, can’t help the fact those people haven’t evolved mentally in 2013, but from a dollars and cents perspective it needs to be looked at further.
mih. Was just countering jonj’s claim Chow hasn’t run a good O fore the last 6-7 years. Not advocating we run the WCO. It’s been pointed out many times we don’t have the personnel to run a power offense.
Your observation of our aging fan base has been discussed many times. What hasn’t been discussed is what impact dropping the SAF has had on athletics. I’ve heard discussions about having such a fee. But you are the first to talk about how dropping the SAF way back when has affected where we are now financially.
People want to take a look at Title IX as a burden financially.. that’s a nice old and “safe” way .. a lazy way of thinking.
If universities are required to support female sports to avoid penalties, take that as an opportunity to expand on revenue streams.
If all universities could go back in time and look at the new female and male sports added as a result of Title IX and say “ok we have new sports to add on” and instead of taking the “old boy network” approach of brushing them aside, good business managers would ask and say, how can we turn these into revenue opportunities? You have new products (programs) to maintain so are you going to push them to get what you can financially or will you do the easiest and laziest thing and just treat them as inconveniences?
People say to think outside the box all the time.. yet???? What?
Just a thought, but if all sports that do not charge admission charged a dollar a piece to see the game, it would draw in some revenue and I wouldn’t think the attendance would drop significantly. I heard that the softball games have a location that takes contributions, but would it equal the amount of charging the dollar?
We could then add to the amount that is being brought in by football, basketball, and volleyball. Anything brought in would be a plus and the other sports are enjoyable to watch. I am assuming all of this since I live in Hilo and can’t attend any games.
Some of the lesser sports have silent auctions and ask for donations of goods to be sold in the auction. I’ve donated some of our products for these. But I never got a receipt for them, which makes it difficult for me to write them off. Giving away when I can is not an issue, but there are times when it becomes a bit of a financial burden.
There is another method of running these silent auctions, and that is to set a minimum acceptable bid which goes back to the vendor of the product or service. That way more vendors might be willing to donate their product or services to be auctioned off. If I could get near wholesale on my products, I would put out better products to be auctioned off. I donate to a Native Hawaiian Scholarship fund that is run like this every year. I put out several thousands of dollars of goods and usually sell 75-80% of the goods. I don’t get a write-off because I get paid my asking price… but the fund gets to keep any part of the bid over the minimum and they have been very successful at it.
cocobean,
When it comes to Warrior football, sometimes, don’t you get a feeling that it’s a program being run by old guys for old guys? Just wondering …
speaking of donations – BJ mentioned is his spill on gathering/targeting certain “high roller” individuals to ask them to stake a claim by giving “large” sums of $$ to UH
at the same time, he mentioned that Hawaii, per capita has one of the highest number of millionaires in the nation – absolutely correct – but, someone failed to mention or he did not hear that most of this wealth is amongst the elder and it’s tied up in real property or land; not cash rich millionaires that can write a 5 or 6 or 7 figure check annually
I once met this fellow who related that when a certain big name came to visit Hawaii, all the invitees are required to bring their check books – this certain visitor, then tells them to write a check for a million dollars – which all do; no questions asked!
dang, must be nice to do that!!!
AJOE! Aloha brother.
Winning Cures all! Until then, Body bag games from here on out.
BIK
JonJ
Wait? it’s ok for McMuffin who changed nothing on offense or defense (unlike Norm Chow and Thom Kaumeyer) to have less than 8 win seasons after inheriting a (And I said sugar bowl program, not team!! Dannyp, please read what I wrote, which means Hawaii has national exposure for recruiting, national media and Big Daddy J.J. left talent on the roster and we know it’s true because as soon as the most of J.J. recruits grad after 2010 season we got 2011 which should have been another great season in the WAC but we got MisMackin instead). because of injuries every year to O line, 4 star QB, WR, D line over 4 years, right? You are two faced, because the injury bug to the positions like the 4 Star QB Taylor Graham plus more are happening to Chow teams in 2012 and 2013, while doing a complete overhaul to the program, but you give McMuffin a pass for injures and not changing a thing or not overhauling a thing but ride J.J. coat tails and get over paid $1.2 million a year.
Before comparing McMuffin to Chow this early in his term at head coach, we should compare Junes Jones record to McMuffins? And then ask question is what did UH and Hawaii get from McMuffin for $5.5 million in salary he got paid? Because McMuffin was the highest paid coach between June Jones, Norm Chow and himself. Besides being a sub par recruiter and getting out coached what did UH and Hawaii get for $5.5 million? Please Jonj tell me and the Hawaii faithful what we all got from the highest paid coach McMackin?
I tell you what we got for $5.5 million, NO return to the Sugar Bowl, NO undefeated season, the down fall of the program, down fall in recruiting, down fall of national reputation in the media by blown out by a terrible Notre Dame team at Aloha Stadium and losing to bottom feeders at Aloha Stadium, embarrassing blowout on national TV, No bowl game win at Aloha Stadium (Thats right Mack did make it to bowl games and got spanked both times by a Crappy Notre Dame team and CUSA Tulsa team). So please Mack Jonj tell enlighten me on what Hawaii got from McMuffin that was worth $5.5 million a salary that is double that of June Jones and Norm Chow?
Because all I see is a overpaid McMilk and cookies head coach that rode off of June Jones coat tails and Chow had to pick up the pieces and overhaul the program. June Jones had to the same thing as Chow, but got lucky that Von Appen was a good evaluator and recruiter. The holdover talent level on the roster was really good and June Jones worked his magic from there. I am not a Chow Supporter but you really got to covince me that Mack was a better head coach than Chow this early into the Chow era.
What’s up,
We had that very discussion on Scout. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=219&f=1136&t=12115824
Great Afternoon All!
The only constant is change.
Stutzmann may be the key to breaking the funk.
Remember, 2 words: Bunch Formation
Remember 4*DE Naim Mustafaa? Well he is no longer at Miami
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/10/naim-mustafaa-leaving-the-canes-too/
non-revenue sports at UH-Manoa:
I agree that some $$ should be collected, but there are “costs” attached to this which can be counter-productive and cost as much or more than collected – such as security costs, handling of all funds collected, improving current facilities to “funnel” fans through to collect $$, etc.
I know that the Na Wahine SB booster club does collect “donations” from fans and run contests such as dinger for dollars or a dollar for each homerun hit by UH, etc.
Perhaps the other “non-revenue” sports booster clubs, if they have one, can talk with Wahine booster club people to get information on “how to do” collections without or minimizing costs – remember that there is “fiduciary” responsibility associated with this.
After Hawaii’s loss on Saturday, I went 3-3 for the week… Could have been a great week, but that’s how it goes.
Season total at 17-11.
Time for this week’s plays:
Over 56.5 Rutgers vs Louisville
Hawaii (+9.5) vs UNLV
Over 55.5 Hawaii vs UNLV
Boise St (-6.5) at Utah St.
LSU (-6.5) vs Florida
Rack’em and stack’em – whatever that means
61… Wow.. I guess it maybe not upper campus’ fault for not getting him through admissions?
With his track record, probably better off without him. I can can almost guarantee he has ridiculous, overbearing, bordering on delusional parent(s).
With Mustafaa’s not getting in, it opened the door for Kory Rasmussen. If my memory is correct, Kory committed not long after Mustafaa didn’t get in.
Hiya!
GO, RAINBOW WARRIORS!
Been flying my car flag all week for good luck.
@ 12 NotNasti:
How about 1.5 wins … in the spirit of compromise 🙂
“The 2012 season was South Alabama’s final year in the transition phase to full Division I-FBS status. The Jaguars began to face Sun Belt Conference teams in a full conference schedule, but were not eligible for either the conference title or post-season bowl games. The Jaguars did not perform well in their non-conference play, going 1-4, with the only victory over FCS opponent Nicholls State. The Jaguars also struggled in Sun Belt Conference play, going 1-7, with their only victory over Florida Atlantic. The team finished 2-11, and in last place in the Sun Belt.”
“The South Alabama Jaguars will have full Division I FBS status for the 2013-14 season and remain in the Sun Belt Conference. The Jaguars will be eligible to win the Sun Belt Championship and for a post season Bowl game.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Alabama_Jaguars_football
made in hawaii
Sure did but Jonj wants in on the discussion too! Cant leave a fellow Warrior behind, can we?
Heard this on 1420 (Josh Pacheco) today … Not exactly the way UH Football wants to make the news …
http://deadspin.com/meet-the-prankster-who-offered-dungy-the-usc-job-hes-1443167771
66. No correlation … Rasmussen walked on.. The guy coaches were trying to get in was pio vatuvei but it didn’t work out and he’s at San Mateo
68. oneseason: Deal!
What’s up so then what r ur thoughts on rolo and aranda?? Becuz when I talk about Mack all assistants r involved. Mack had he balls too let go the defense. Rolo teared us up with 3rd string qb. I don’t think Mack was the best head coach or recruiter. Although I believe he won some recruiter of the year awards. But Mack surrounded himself wit young talented coaches. Mack’s true evaluation should have came last year and this year. His first 2yrs he stocked up on jucos cuz JJ wasn’t recruiting good. Go look everyone back then said June wasn’t recruiting and look at wat smu is saying also… Lack of recruiting… I mean the most talented players where basically walkons (lelie. Owens, libre, Torres, paredes, etc)
Success attracts talent.
David Veikune now in Arena Football..
“Veikune (6-3, 270, Hawaii) joins the LA KISS following time spent in the NFL. Veikune was a two-time All WAC performer at Hawaii before being selected in the 2nd round of the 2009 NFL Draft by the Cleveland Browns. His NFL career included time with both the Browns and Denver Broncos…” http://www.arenafootball.com/sports/a-footbl/spec-rel/100813aab.html
How is Mike Edwards doing?
No news on Mike Edwards. Still a free agent. No updates on his Facebook page lately.
mih. I’m in my 60s and like a lot of season ticket holders my age got hooked on UH athletics as students at UH. For what ever reason(s) there has been a continual decline in student attendance. This does not bode well for UH athletics. If UH graduates in the working world didn’t attend athletics as students what are the chances they’d attend now.
The UHAD has long recognized this problem and have been making attempts to attract more students to the games. Todays student attendees are tomorrows STHs. Maybe that’s the real impact of dropping SAFs back in the 70s.
To answer your question. In my view no it’s not run by old guys for old guys. Me being an old guy I’m willing to bet the majority of STHs who pay the premium seat charges are over 55. Most of the STHs in my section are over 60, a lot are retirees and most are empty nesters.
Is this for real?
http://deadspin.com/meet-the-prankster-who-offered-dungy-the-usc-job-hes-1443167771
50. Kevin, btw Na Wahine Softball boosters are doing a fantastic job!
I understand what you’re saying about UH not doing enough to promote non-revenue sports. We all know that football and basketball rule because they do bring in money, esp potential NCAA money. So how can non-revenue sports get a bit more than what they’re presently getting from the Department?
Charge admission. Become a paying sport. I know there are costs involved as mentioned in post #63 above but if you look at the larger picture, by charging admission, you move up a rank in the AD’s ranking of sports.
Ben Jay’s 2 for 1 promotion, Military 50% discount promotion, and the latest promotion of discounted WBB season tickets coupled with a MBB season ticket pkg promote admission sports. I don’t care how good a non-admission sport is, in this world of UH Athletics, it will always be 2nd tier. Admission sports are getting free marketing because of all the different promotions BJ is throwing out there.
And one last note: BJ’s incentive benefits pay package rewards him specific amounts for specific team performances. In order for a non-admission sport to put money into BJ’s pocket they must win the National Championship. Admission sports just have to make a post-season appearance. Which sports do you see BJ promoting?
In the long run I think it would be more beneficial for non-admission sports to start charging admission, even if it’s only $1.
@iwonderwhytheyhateme: Yup sure is! Oneseason posted that a little while ago
coco,
I’m in my 60’s, too. I don’t see marketing really geared for the youths. And really, the youths wouldn’t be FIT paying customers in most cases either tag-alongs (with other adults) or students who paid their fees so I can see why they don’t want to expend too much capital in that direction. IMHO, the stadium environment has to become young-adult friendly. I wonder if there is a board comprised of students who brainstorm on this regularly?
I’m for putting up big screen TVs or projector TVs in the various Senior Community Centers around the islands on game days and showing the games with admission being anything the participants can donate.
Dang sucks wish Edwards got to spend 1 more season with us. But hope he finds success he is to good a football player not to
Does anyone know what time the game starts on Saturday?
Unless we went into Daylight Savings, I’d say 2:05 pm on Saturday…
#65 fuha
his dad is reggie rutland, former nfl safety for the vikings, raiders. aka najee mustafaa.
they move the clocks back an hour nov 3
Aloha kakou! Hope to see anyone in vegas for a drink tomorrow evening!
So, much of our conversation today have evolved around creating sustainable revenue streams, and specifically, endowments. With that as the topic, lets have a clear understanding of this financial instrument, under the context of a university. Endowments provide ongoing benefits for the university by earning a market rate of interest while keeping the core endowment principal intact to fund future years of scholarships, or whatever efforts the donor sought to fund. In some cases, a certain percentage of the assets are allowed to be used each year, so the amount pulled out of the endowment could be a combination of interest income and principal. The ratio of principal to income would change year to year based on prevailing market rates.
So as an example–A donor who makes a gift to endowment and stipulates a specific use for the earnings on that gift most certainly intends that the endowed function exist in perpetuity.. a donor who gifts a
$1 million financial aid endowment to a school that spends 4.5% of the gift principal (and reinvests the remainder of the total return) expects that her endowment will annually fund two full scholarships if, at the date of the gift, the applicable tuition is $22,500 (2 X $22,500 =$45,000 = 4.5% X $1,000,000). Thus, a million will fund two scholarships into perpetuity.
OK, whats the point of all this ridiculous gibberish??? Its to demonstrate, that while endowments are great ideas, your initial gift has to be very substantial to make any real in-roads on the litany of needs that the athletic needs to address.
gobows, mahalo.
Unless, Bryson is in Brasil.. then it’s Oct 20… 😉
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst/events.html
My wife’s parents still reside in Paris, France and they change a week before. Get’s really confusing some times.
No tv this weekend #Mountain Waste Conference Oh, we are 0-5 #UHseless
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is … always applies
I am confused by the tape (of allegedly Coach Chow) …
Scammer: “Oh, because you used to live at … ah … what, you were with Neuheisel, right?
Scammee: “I still live in … um … no, I was with SC … I still live in Manhattan Beach”
But Coach Chow was hired by Neuheisel at UCLA in 2007 and worked there through the 2010-2011 season before reaching a “settlement” with UCLA in January 2011; http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=6048699
Wikipedia says he was at USC, but left in 2004.
My whole point is, UH can charge admission for sports like softball and soccer and it wouldn’t bother me. I’d accept it. As a current customer of UH athletics and a booster what I cannot accept is if admission were to be charged and there would be no further “push” to help move those ticket sales.
If you want people to buy into something you need to flaunt it, make it seem like the “thing to do”, boast the accomplishments that the programs can bring. Simply slapping on admission, sitting and waiting for money to come in.. well that doesn’t and hasn’t worked. The coaches and student-athletes do their part in winning game, its not their JOBS to promote their sport in means unavailable to them. Those in charge higher in the chain of command do.
Charge admission fine, but promote it. Isn’t that common sense business?
Last I checked simply waiting for a product to turn in revenue before taking the time to promote it to help the bottom line makes zero sense and is just simply lazy.
And on MY last note, if the AD’s incentive package places non-revenue programs at a higher standard of success than revenue programs wouldn’t it behoove the AD to make sure those non-revenue programs succeed as much as they can by – facilitating fan support, seeking donations for those programs, having media sent out to pollsters to watch and monitor potential players of the week/year, etc… Again, my point is you want something to succeed and it’s under your “umbrella” you need to make sure it has the resources to do so.
Same with charging admission. Charge it, but promote it better to ensure there is effort in bringing in paying customers.
It’s admirable, I suppose, that someone is still loyal to McMackin.
I liked McMackin. Nice guy, etc.
But he’s gone and he’s not coming back. So you can rehash the past, but it won’t bring him back.
Also, if you’re angry that Mack isn’t still coaching, then focus your anger on the people who let him go.
But, mostly, it’s time to move on.
BIK
Sorry my braddah but you missing the point. No problem with playing body bag games. But rather than using the entire revenue generated from the game to cover current expenses, take a portion and create an endowment. This creates more avenues to generate perpetual income. Compound these efforts with donations from us fans and UH develops a financial foundation to build upon. This is how UH truly makes their money work for them. All big college programs are following what Stanford has established for themselves.
ST. The title of your current blog is Bowens Moves to WR. How the conersation morphes in a discussion of Mack, the past and athletic finances is truely remarkable.
Sorry St, meant conversation and into…. proofread
Hawaii has one of the highest costs of living in the nation. Housing, electricity, gas. Any family not careful with their finances could easily run into problems. So I imagine that splurging for UH tickets might not be high on the priorities list regardless if you are a true fan and supporter. Its harder for the younger folks because they have bigger mortgages to pay while older folks deal with less income. But, as they say in politics, expand the base. Find ways to make UH football for the average, perhaps below average, fan affordable. If the stadium holds 50,000 but only 30,000 people show up, wouldn’t you be better off if you sold the remaining tickets for $5 apiece? ($5 x 20,000 = $100,000). x 5 games = $500,000. Well, you get the idea. High school students, seniors, military, police, fire, paramedics, etc. Special pricing for these groups rotate per game. Enjoy an evening of UH football for less than a movie ticket. Why not?
88. Boolanaka-
Obviously no one here has $1,000,000 to drop and make a significant impact. But, $25,000 seems a bit more attainable. At 4.5% that’s about $1,100 a year that a minor program coach could possibly use to their discretion. Ask any minor coach if they’d turn down $1,100 a year.
Take baby steps. Do what can. Don’t be ignorantly discouraged by the rhetoric.
Last time I can remember that #26 flashed on offense was……Jeff Sydner.
Re: No. 95
I think 20 years from now, we can all reflect on the importance of each UH football coach.
For now … isn’t it something that Kwamane Bowens moved to receiver?
98. Where can you get 4.5%?
101. Ask boolanaka.
98…I am not discouraged, at all. I manage a small endowment, and just wanted to provide a little detail on the dynamics and what type of things it can be used for…….
Allan, their house value went up. They don’t have a lot of liquid assets. They’ve taken out equity loans to put their kids through college. Property taxes are hurting them. Ever wonder why mos of the beach front lots seem to be owned by non-Hawaiians or long time locals. Many simply could not afford the taxes and sold out. They made a pretty penny but it costs a pretty penny to move elsewhere, too.
The rest of the millionaires came from elsewhere. Lots of speculative real estate investors. House flippers are still buying up multi unit properties in Kaneohe like crazy.
104. Awesome! Lets make a difference and try to start one here! Lets make a difference!
I think WR is Bowens natural position and he has a huge upside there. Next year there are gonna be some great battles for starting WR with the Utah transfer coming in as well
Many people seem to have trouble “moving on.”
Every coach is also defined by the time he is head coach and his tenure often shaped by the external forces that he has to wade through — recession, disadvantageous conference alignment, dying conference, tsunamis, lack of support from upper campus or fans, lack of money, injuries, academic shortfalls, poaching, lack of available talent, etc. Coach Chow has to learn how to deal with them quickly, adapt with them and try to win, just like ALL his predecessors tried to.
Yeah… irritating when people blame the previous coach..
Man, Rutgers and Louisville was a compete dud… 0-1 for the week. Both teams can put up a ton of points but neither offense cared to show up other than in spots.
What’s ur point Kevin?? I wasn’t blaming anyone… I loved The JJ years and I had great times in the Mack years. I have one good time with chow and that was Fresno game. But ill b honest n say I fell asleep until Schroeder lit it up.
Kwamane Bowens moved to Receiver!
Best of luck, young man!
Got lucky in Vegas with San Diego st. Almost ripped my ticket and they came back
Lots of young WR talent….with size and speed…
– Kirkwood
– Haynes
– Kemp
– Bowens
– Barker
Maybe Polk too come January
…..and hopefully Stubblefield next year.
….or Lambert.
Both Stubblefield and Lambert attended the SJSU game. Lambert closely watched the pre-game drills…..while talking story with Barker.
Offense is perfect for 4 Wide offense to return under Rolo! Chow is Pau!
#122 So you get the dollars for buy out the remaining contract to make your “Chow is pau ” dream come true?
To augment the coaching staff, it looks like it would take somewhere in the $300 – $500K range for an OC and 2 position coaches. Considering what UH spends on athletics, this doesn’t seem unreasonable.
Coordinator: $116,640 – $203,688
Assistant Coach: $ 56,340 – $165,000
UH 2012 executive policy for compensation of coaches: http://www.hawaii.edu/apis/ep/e9/e9216.pdf
Arizona @ USC, close game, 38-31 USC leading with 4:15 left in the 4th.
Awwww, ST. #2-That was so sweet. What do you want?
Not fighting it. Just looking at the economics. If UH does it I just would like to know where the dollars will come from especially after the bailout to the department.
Just a realist as they say. Where’s the money going to come from?
If you have the answer please share it with Ben Jay and the Regents. Not folks like me.
jonj,
Thats ok if cannot comprehend.
Enjoy the past as you continue to do, hope the misery and difficulties UH fans are experiencing continues to amuse you and others like you just so you can laugh and talk about the previous coaching staff with such a unflawed glow in your eyes.
LOL.
Actually, I’m traveling and don’t want to leave the blog unlocked for obvious reasons.
Laters.