Another 96 hours
It’s a sign of old age when you return from a road trip, write a story, do some errands, hang out with the family and … um, was there something else I was supposed to do?
Then I woke up at 3 a.m. (which is 6 a.m. Fort Collins time) to realize … darn, I forgot to finish Sunday’s blog post.
To quote Rap Replinger: Oops, li’ dat.
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Under the previous regime, the Warriors would remain on the mainland between consecutive road games. The Warriors did that last year between road games against Utah State and then Navy. Because of the relatively short distance between San Jose, this weekend’s destination and Hawaii, it made sense, academically and financially, to return to Honolulu.
The Warriors will be able to attend classes through mid-Thursday this week. So far, the Warriors have missed a total of 6.5 school days because of four road trips. For the season, the Warriors will have missed nine school days because of six road trips. The players fill the missed time with mandatory study hall and on-line work.
The Warriors will be home 96 hours from when they returned yesterday afternoon through Thursday’s afternoon departure.
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The Warriors had only two available quarterbacks for the Colorado State game — Ikaika Woolsey and Beau Reilly, who has not taken a snap in a game this season. No. 3 quarterback Eric Prater remained in Honolulu to be with his wife, who is expecting the couple’s first child.
Welcome back Warriors. Hope you can get reenergized with a few days at home.
San Jose State appears to be a road-tested team, too.
Of 12 games this season, seven are on the road, including at Auburn, Minnesota and Navy.
Let us hope da boyz get da fill of poi and laulau at home fo recharge da batteries and pound on Saturday. Hit da books, hit da Sparts. Go green, go, go geevum!
I didn’t know what to write after the 49-22 blow-out. I was thinking of writing, “Wait till next year.” But it doesn’t feel that way right now. Although Max Wittek will be in the QB picture, there will be huge holes to fill in both sides of the line. More questions than answers. A win at San Jose St will make things look brighter. A lot brighter.
The thing about NCAA sports is a team will always lose good players at the end of the season and will always be relatively young at some areas. That’s what happens when you roster limits and four seasons to play.
I just cannot understand as to how UH would want to keep Chow for next year as of now. Yeah money this and money that, but yet they found out a way to get rid of Gib, who’s actually winning games. UH have such a poorly run athletics department/administration. What University in their right mind would keep a coach like Chow. He has done nothing good for the football team as well as the University. He has definitely taken the title as the worst football coach in UH history. With Von Appen being second.
And if Chow is not relieved of his duties by the end of the year, then Ben Jay should be fired too as well.
Pretty confident Chow will be relieved of his duties but the question seems to be when is the best time. It would seem the new coach should be given at least 2 months to recruit this class which means he should be named by the first week of Dec. My choice would be Kalani Sitake the DC from Utah who has done and amazing job year after year and his recruiting skills are proven especially with large polynesian lineman and the OC from ASU who’s work ethic and background learning from the best was praised during the tv game this past week against Notre Dame. Both are young and seemingly have many people who believe in them.
Welcome back Warriors. Rest up, heal up and practice hard!
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I have a feeling that upper campus will get involved and will not approve the release of Chow. I don’t think Ben Jay will have the authority to do so. Although as far as a successor, my vote would be for the ASU OC.
I thought San Jose State would be a good chance for Chow to win his first road game but the Spartans haven’t looked that bad on the offensive side of the ball. Opposing teams have took advantage of their porous run defense which is making their pass defense, statistically, look really good.
I think if the defense can back on track to what they resembled earlier this season there’s a fighting chance. Point spread: Warriors as 10-point underdogs.
Best way to avoid a QB controversy is to keep the dark horse in the stable.
Imagine if Beau comes in, lights it up and leads the team to victory.
Coach will have to hear it on why he didn’t make the move sooner.
Same with giving Ewaliko more reps at WR.
Yes he may not know as much of the playbook as the starting 4, but at this point why keep the fastest, most athletic dude on the sideline.
Finally why has Duke Bukoski seen squat of PT at receiver?
I counted 8 drops in game 10. Duke got great hands and doesn’t catch with his body.
Aloha all. Happy trails to Jesse’s boy at OSU, see; http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/11/after_ending_oregon_state_beav.html. No worries, another adventure, is always waiting in the wings!
As for potential coaches, and I should preface, that I am dubious on whether both upper campus and the BOR, will provide sufficient authorization to approve a buyout, but if they did–here is my dark horse, ala Chip Kelly–
Tim Walsh, come from the division below, just like Chip did, and has consistently won at every school he has been with…..see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Walsh_(American_football) or http://www.gopoly.com/sports/fball/coaches/Tim_Walsh
Much of applied HR research now says that we should look at folks that have been productive everywhere they have been, in lieu of people that just check all the boxes of the conscripted litany of qualifications we have on the job posting–this bruddha fits the bill.
Winna-winna, free huli-huli chicken dinna!!
Using the ratings from Scout and Rivals Chow is the worse recruiter at UH during the past fourteen years. It is showing on the field. To believe Chow is recruiting better players than JJ or Mack one must then conclude Chow is the worse coach in the country. And please no excuses that the MWC is tougher than the WAC since Chow is losing to the same WAC teams we used to beat.
Kalani Sitake makes $500,000
ASU OC makes $700,000
For all who want to hire a top line coordinator as HC, be sure to make your Na Koa contributions today.
big wave…if u ask intelligent questions here..you get squat answers for sure…must be very hard to tell a player..you will be on the field every other play..or on
first n 3rd downs…2 of them are not being utilizes… FULLY… agree with u 100%…
maybe this team n its defensive coordinator coach be better suited for ‘paddling’ huh ….580 yards giving up on defense…n saying it is the best team they have faced…is not really a true statement…the long ball has been its weakness all season long…
maybe that statement should be..’this is the worst defensive game we have played this season’…SO FAR…BUT STILL 3 more games to go.. n try not to ‘break’ that 580 total…
Aloha all. Happy trails to Jesse’s boy at OSU, see; http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2014/11/after_ending_oregon_state_beav.html. No worries, another adventure, is always waiting in the wings!
As for potential coaches, and I should preface, that I am dubious on whether both upper campus and the BOR, will provide sufficient authorization to approve a buyout, but if they did–here is my dark horse, ala Chip Kelly–
Tim Walsh, come from the division below, just like Chip did, and has consistently won at every school he has been with…..see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Walsh_(American_football) or http://www.gopoly.com/sports/fball/coaches/Tim_Walsh
Much of applied HR research now says that we should look at folks that have been productive everywhere they have been, in lieu of people that just check all the boxes of the conscripted litany of qualifications we have on the job posting–this bruddha fits the bill.
Winna-winna, free huli-huli chicken dinna!!
whats wit all da moderation??
Good morning everyone!
After watching Saturday’s game, Coach Dick Tomey came to mind. After loses, Tomey always said the loss was his fault (and don’t blame the athletes). When I first heard it, I asked myself “Why is that? Tomey was not the one who dropped the passes, fumbled the ball, or threw the interceptions.” That realization took a lot of heat off him–the coaches get the blame in losses and the athletes get the glory in wins. But that’s true at all levels
Scott Harding deserves all the glory he receives.
I was pleased with the play calling–especially when the run up the middle was stopped early and often. The play execution, not so much…
12, OD…..it looked like the Chow recruiting approach and results were going to be promising. But it looks less and less so. How much is not evaluating the players properly at the front end and how much is not coaching them up to speed?
We have three games left, all winnable. I hope the players have something left to give after all of these chronic and demoralizing losses. Unfortunately we look worse and worse as each week goes by. I find it hard to watch so I am imagining it is similarly very hard from them to play. But watch I will and I hope the players can dig deep and play. It would be best for the seniors to go out on a positive note. As it stands now it is pretty dismal for them.
In the UH academic departments, there are endowed chairs for faculty whose salary is paid for by private donations to allow the faculty to hire distinguished professors. Ben Jay has recently announced a policy that private donations not be used to fund coach’s salaries. We should change this to allow for coaching positions funded by private donations– it can be a half or quarter or full supported position such as offensive or defensive coordinator or head coach.
Re: Gib Arnold.
There actually was no additional money to buy out coach Arnold.
He’s being paid his full salary, and he gets to remain an employee for a couple more months. Now if UH bought out his contract, then hired another full-time coach, then that would be additional money.
Coach Arnold’s contract was terminated without cause. It’s really a legal definition. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t cause. But as we’ve all learned in past dismissals, such as Bolla’s, showing cause might allow UH to save on the contract, but it also could prove costly in time (there is an appeals process) and money (defending the appeal). Sometimes it’s better to buy out a contract. That’s what happened when McMackin and Price were fired. It also gives some dignity, and allows the fired party to pursue another job without a demerit on the resume.
Free boola–comments are in gulag.
I said at the time of Chow’s hire that the best guy available was Dino Babers. If he would still take the job he is still the best possible hire for UH. Former player, proven track record has a head coach, brings a dynamic offense (Air Raid), local, and national connections. He turned a 1 win Eastern Illinois team into a FCS national contender in 1 year! Now he’s at Bowling Green and is doing the same thing. Watch them on Tuesday and witness what the Warriors could become if we go out and pursue the man we need!
From what I hear, Dino is set to take the helm on a Big10 school in another year or so. If he does have another successful season, I cannot imagine him passing up taking up the reigns of either Rutgers, Northwestern, Ill, Ind, or Purdue.
Aside from him previous playing here, what would be the upside for him professionally?
Help ST, all comments all are being moderated!!
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From what I hear, Dino is set to take the helm on a Big10 school in another year or so. If he does have another successful season, I cannot imagine him passing up taking up the reigns of either Rutgers, Northwestern, Ill, Ind, or Purdue.
Aside from him previous playing here, what would be the upside for him professionally?
Against USU #9 was suspended; this guy can fly. At CSU their best receiver held out because of injury. How much worst could it have been if these guys played?
Saw two of SJSU’s games. Their QB is mobile, got a strong arm and pretty accurate. Defense is athletic and the DB’s look solid.
11-Ewaliko has ZERO agility. Not sure what you see that makes him the most athletic dude on the sideline but from what I see on kickoff returns the dude I can understand why he is not on the field on offense.
11. Bigwave Agree with your assessment, you are spot on.
yeah. i agree with boola. just from a coaching perspective, what could UH offer that Bowling Green already does not? coaching UH would be a lateral move at best. Most likely, the Dino Barbers ship sailed as soon as Norm Chow got hired (if he was in contention for the job opening).
ST. Caught your pieced on Beau. Anyone who can do the MJ moon walk has got be be coordinated. Anyone who can perform in front of crowds should have a degree of poise. Because of your segment I.m now intrigued with the idea of giving Beau a shot.
Worst UH HC in history:
1. Fred Von Appen
1a. Norm Chow.
Von Appen still holds that distinction as worst UH coach with Chow not far behind. Von Appen because of the winless ’98 season has that top distinction.
If Chow returns for his 4th season and goes winless, then Chow would outright win that title as the worst coach in UH history.
Coaching is a game of adjustments…When things don’t work right, you make adjustments. In the case of the Warriors, I see little or no adjustments being made and the same personnel making the same #@!X#$ mistakes. I think we should make a change at QB, receivers, and at safety. If the players can’t perform, then others should be given a chance, if anything, to change things.
Children are usually (though not always) a reflection of their families. Our football team is a reflection of its “parents” (UH the institution).
I am not a Norm Chow apologist and do not think he has done a good job. Anyone who thinks he has done a good job cannot do elementary arithmetic. So replacing the HC is an obvious consideration. But the fact we may not be able to do this is more complicated than UH admin not being able to do the simple math with regard to the won/loss record. The institution is a mess in many ways. The possibility that we will not be able to change the coach even when it makes sense to do so is a reflection of the mess.
I am not as optimistic as many of you who feel that just changing the coach will solve things. Yes coaching changes are needed but UH has suffered from inept leadership for a long time and this ineptitude is witnessed each Saturday when our team takes the field.
What was Von Appens total win-loss record?
#31: Fred Von Appen was 5-31 after three seasons. I would also argue that the WAC back then was stronger than the MWC currently.
Just considering folks who have ties to UH (former players or coaches, or from Hawai’i) the person I personally think might still have an interest and is qualified, is Duane Akina. He certainly brings in a defensive mindset, proven recruiting pipelines, and a contemporary portfolio of success. ( I think he has coached 7 or 8 first round DBS)
Never been a HC, but anyone who knows DA, he brings his own swagger and personality. We certainly could do worse….
Boola
Check out my post on “Duane Skins, 4th Time a Charm?”
http://sportshawaii.com/sh/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46365
Maybe to save UH money, they ought to try no coaches.
Let the team elect various coaches “from the scout team” for each game.
This is a democratic state after all… 🙂
someone posted on game day that he/she felt the players seem to have given up
I got the same impression watching the players – many have lost their “will” to play and play hard no matter what – if I’m wrong, then sincere apology to the team
UH deep passes have always been “streak” with no movement inside or outside – is this to counter the OL limited ability to give the QB sufficient time to pass? How many pass plays have been called into the “middle”?
if the opponent will blitz – where is the call for quick passes, say within 5-yards from the LOS, to a TE or slot. can the QB not recognize the blitzing defense? does the QB have the green light to “audible” at the LOS?
when will UH find another HC?
In other words, the wide receiver coach would be a wide receiver.
O-line, D-line, etc. etc.
So the scout team while they get no playing time get
valuable playing time “coaching” experience for their
future endeavors. Most good coaches were players
who were not good enough to star in their day.
the movie Fury – a seasoned tank commander, SGT, is given the task to hold a certain crossroad and is promoted to platoon leader w/o the title of LT – takes 4 tanks (normal tank platoon has 5 tanks) – loses 3 along the way doing battle with a German Tiger tank – now, down to only his tank – SGT decides to carry out his order to defend the crossroad – his tank is attacked by over 200 SS troops – he loses 3 team members in the ensuing battle and he eventually dies leaving only the “rookie” alive who is eventually saved by arriving US troops
this rookie was forced to “kill” a German soldier they had captured earlier who pleaded for his life because all he wanted to do was go back home to his family – it was kill him or let him kill you.
combat is a terrible thing and has great impact on the individual who must kill or be killed and changes lives forever – in Nam they called us “baby killers” for shooting children whose bike handles were filled with explosives which killed many soldiers –
what does a football player do on the field?
Eh boo, Moderation = Double Secret Probation!! hehe
Surely, the Gib firing will cost UH. Doubt if Benji would remain interim HC on an assistant’s paycheck. Still say BJ canned the wrong coach. Football is the moneymaker and we need someone who can win.
Maybe we should start looking at successful local high school football coaches. Hey got to start somewhere. And if they can handle the cost of living here on high school pay, the UH pay range ought to be just fine with them.
Big wave, I’m in agreement! But for those who want previous HC experience, my secret call is Tim Walsh, ala, Chip Kelly, lower division, see:http://www.gopoly.com/sports/fball/coaches/Tim_Walsh
Winner everywhere he has been….
The team always plays hard. Playing hard doesn’t mean the same thing as playing with intensity. Playing hard doesn’t mean the same thing as playing smart. Playing hard doesn;t mean the same thing as playing with poise. Playing hard doesn’t mean the same thing as playing together as one whole team. Playing hard is reflexive action for most who have been playing since small kid time.
BTW. It goes for the coaches too. Coaching hard is not the same things as….see above.
3prong, probation is my hawaiian middle name!!!
Props to Bob Wagner for calling out Norm Chow on his endless excuses…. If you constantly repeat over and over that “were not gonna make any excuses” followed up with “it’s hard traveling without charter flights” then you are making excuses… At least Hawaii hasn’t gotten decimated with the injury bug this year like other teams so we can’t use the injuries excuse every weak.
On to San Jose St. I can’t believe my 4 win season is looking like I over hyped this team once again. I predicted San Jose St to be a win but after watching them play and almost beat Colorado St., I’m guessing a blow out loss is coming. Hawaii will be lucky to escape with 3 wins… But even UNLV is improving while Hawaii is getting worse.
3prong–damn the cats were angry this week??? Did you guys hang 70+ on Puget Sound–!!!?
28. I was younger then but Von Appen might be rated above Chow.
1. Von Appen has a BCS caliber win under his belt. I think we beat Minnesota. Lost by 1 to Notre Dame.
2. He left some solid pieces for June Jones 1st season at Hawaii.
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Von Appen had wins over: Boise State, UNLV, Minnesota, CS Northridge, and Fresno State.
3 prong, Mahalo Nui Loa for the other day. Imua Na Koa Anuenue.
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Yeah and UH lost to ND 22-23 you’re right. I think it was on a last second field goal too
I guess it would be nit picking on choosing who is worse. Let’s just place them in a category by themselves as “the worst UH coaches ever.”
I don’t believe UH will make any HC changes until 2017. I am looking forward to 2017 football season when UH will have their next HC.
Two more season and that’s it. Time is going to fly by. If it follows to form, interesting to see average home attendance for 2016. I’d say the average would go under 15K.
If there’s a coaching change at BYU after this season, and Chow returns in 2015, we might see some of their coaches coming over to UH. Just a feeling. Maybe Robert Anae as OC?
UH football will double their win total from last year. Three year record for Chow:
2012: 3-9
2013: 1-11
2014: 2-11 (prediction)
2015: ????
2016: ????
Total: 6-31 (3 year prediction)
To the power brokers and decision makers at UH Manoa, nice job!!!!
By the end of Chow’s five year period, maybe UH football can be moved to Ching field on campus. Now Aloha Stadium can find another stream of revenue besides UH football.
More of a trivia question for the Tsaikos, but do you think the NFL will ever see a non-black corner again?? The last one I can remember are Scott Case (saw him real close and personal-heheh) and Jason Sehorn…? So, it’s been almost 20 years.
If coach Chow is retained for the next two years, then that is a certain sign that UH does not care about its football program and its young athletes. If anyone has played on a losing team for their whole career , that is one lousy experience and makes their college experience something to forget. Can anyone even remember the players under Von Appen except the ones that went on to prosper under Jones? If they do not make a change, its time to drop football! What is the point. Leaders would find the money!
Happy birthday to the Marine Corps!
HOO-RAH!!!
Got my tickets for the SJSU game…
#22. — McMackin agreed to take $600,000 instead of the full $1,100,000 or $500,000 less in his buyout. Anybody else would do that ?
old diver.. me not believe in the star rating as ‘written in stone’ lesser players are also in the nfl & cfl..me believe..it is the coach that brings out the best in his players n makes them champions…or a losing season to a winning one…that is why we always hear about ‘legendary coaches’ …proof of that can be seen nationwide.. n more so from fr, bray..with a very little school..that got it right.. cuz of his principles…on how the game should be played…just think what he could have accomplished..had he could ‘recruit’ like they do 2 day…ala miano at kaiser…
but all the recruiting.. n a not so motivational coach…will not bear ‘fruit as one with lesser talent….but more motivated to WIN…
happy birthday marine corps… remember at the termite palace.. when they used to play uh… both in football n BB..at block arena…lots of good athletics then..
if coach had ne class.. he would… resign in december after recruiting.. n allow the university to pay him the remaining of his contract at 250 k a year till he is paid off..with no interest..or agree to be ‘terminated for ‘no cause’ he he he
I thought about Navy offensive coordinator Ivin Jasper during the ESPN U telecast, when the announcer mentioned New Mexico’s triple option attack. Three years ago, at a family gathering, my uncle wouldn’t even answer me when I mentioned Jasper as being the best candidate.
But, hey, a good quarterback can make any head coach look like a genius. Max Wittek might be the guy. I, apparently am alone, in wanting Chow to return for his fourth season.
not think ur alone cappie.. but at least on here…it seems ur in the minority…
does not mean squat… we only voice opinions here…is what this blog is 4….
so all can voice…minority.. majority.. good bad..n those just sit on fence…
we all make this good reading…..sum times he he he
boo: Line you predicted, this week is gonna be for da Marbles! Cats gonna rip da boxers right off Pacific at The Catdome.
Lawaia: fisherman stick together.
This year’s lone 4th year senior, Scott Harding, will have never played on a winning team 🙁
Emotional game this week as the Boys will get to see former Warrior and Burn recovery Spartan Jared Leaf
I wonder if Bryant Moniz would’ve flourished in Chows offense or struggled.
Isn’t must the Oline returning next year?
Jeezy . . . I’m with you. Thank god someone called out Chow on his excuses. Sick of it already. He is full of them. Thank you Coach Wagner.
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The star recruiting ratings are relevant. Check the top NFL draft choices. You will find most of them were four and five star players out of high school. Sure you have your exceptions, but exceptions don’t make the rule.
did not see that… wagner calling him out.. was in paper or on radio ???
me agree with you there.. not talking about individual players…me is talking about coaches.. taking mediocre players. n motivating then to give their best..so when their playing days are over.. maybe..they will not play in the nfl or cfl as you stated…my but will know what team play is all about…opinion..was about that.. the coach.. n not necessarily the athletics themselves…. n coaches that can n do get the most out of their players… ie.. fr. bray.. lopes in basketball…jimmy yagi in hilo.. .etc.. rockne../that dude from miami that went un beaten..lombardi.. legendary coaches..cuz they know how to get the best out of players n make them excel…
DR’s article today in the paper. He criticizes Chow for using the “travel” and “resources” excuses and basically tells Chow (in my words) “we used to win with less, so shut up.”
just thinking out loud.. but not to loud.. wonder if we had 4 n 5 stars here..how they would do under coach chow …
like sum one said…wonder how moniz would do…under chow ????
thanks kev… he is right of course…good n well prepared teams win..travel games away….
How would 4 or 5 star recruits do under ANY coach that we’ve had? Can you imagine a JJ offense with that type of talent? Heck, Mac would still be coaching. The point is, we have just as much talent as previous coaches and Chow can’t coach them to a win. Period.
spot on kev..is what me is saying.. n other coaches have had ..not as much talent n won.. why the problem this past few years ??
Happiness is a new 6 Plus!
BJ …interview in the paper is so much full of it.. like his coach…always blaming others..wonder how his ‘H’ zone is doing..n where is all the ‘bucks’ we were expecting…after fracturing all the ‘donors’ now he comes n says..we are 3,5 million defecit n counting..BB. will make it worst.. now that gib n fotu are gon…kobayashi….yee… both gone..plus others…aka.. running low on funds…what a system we have in place up there..
Just read the S-A news story about the AD projected deficit now at $3.5 million…up from the $1.5 M forecast in August. That’s $2 million more with UH football ticket projections down $400,000 per BJ. Doing the math, where did the other $1,600,000 in losses come from? Basketball?
… “Jay said the program has also had to deduct any anticipated income from a post-season bowl game.” Really? Yeah, I hope we could get bowl bucks too, but wouldn’t count on it in a fiscal budget…
Huh? Seems like some strangly optimistic number crunching going on…
steve m.. please do not ask to many questions….
cost cutting..is his ‘specialty’… he he he
For the UH-UNLV game, the UH Marching Band should take the classic Giant Kicker show and turn it into a Giant Punter … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkVrlwjTflk
If and when there is a coaching change, as the conversation swirls….a head coach today outside of the power 5 conferences has to put a winning and entertaining product ob the field. They have to recruit better than others and then produce, they have to interact well with all support groups and be able to stir the donation pot. It is a huge job. There is someone out there who is up to the challenge and rewards would be great from a turnaround perspective. I have mentioned PJ Fleck of Western Michigan….1-11 last year and pretty much years of futility. Check out the record and his story pretty impressive for a 32 year old that they took a chance on. All is not lost and this too shall come to pass. It is interesting what is taking place now with this program….what is important is what we as supporters of the program and all involved parties do now—–
3prong-curious when what’s the last time, if ever (lol) da boxers beat the cats? Wish I was up in the area for this game- great time of the year-great atmosphere- most important great pale ales!!
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