And then there were two

Time’s up.

As everyone is aware, the Warriors need to win their final two regular season games to qualify for the Hawaii Bowl. That’s one of two remaining goals — qualify for a bowl, win a bowl — on what was a lengthier to-do list. Reaching the bowl was supposed to be a gimme entering the season and, even three weeks ago, when the Warriors needed to win two of their final five.

It is what it is, as they say.

At least, the Warriors have settled on a quarterback. David Graves showed he’s more than a scrambler with nicely thrown deep passes. After the game, he vowed to not absorb sacks, a reachable aim because his out-of-pocket scrambles enable him to throw away passes without penalty. He might want to consider sliding as an option, too. But Graves’ enthusiasm, especially when he’s pumping up the defense, is a sign of leadership.

Buckle up for the final two weeks. This might not be the situation UH supporters wanted, but it’s all they have left.

COMMENTS

  1. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 10:18 am

    1st


  2. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:19 am

    I guess UHfan808’s Portuguese bean soup is comfort food, because I had a bowl last night, and didn’t wake up until 10 this morning.

    Thanks, 808.

    Great stuff.


  3. expat November 20, 2011 10:20 am

    Time for the guys to go out and have fun. Leave it all on the field and don’t worry about the what ifs.


  4. bigislandkurt November 20, 2011 10:20 am

    Go warriors.

    BIK


  5. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 10:21 am

    Good news about Kealoha Pilares and Davone Bess. Expect good news from Buffalo in the next 2 weeks. Hint: they have only 1 safety.


  6. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:21 am

    That was an interesting game.


  7. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:22 am

    Pilares’ 101-yard return was amazing.

    OK, where’s the video link?


  8. wafan November 20, 2011 10:24 am

    Looked for it, too.

    Anyone have any luck?


  9. longdistance808 November 20, 2011 10:25 am

    Top 10.

    Graves did well. His release and demeanor reminds me of another QB in recent UH lore. Hopefully, we’ll see what he can do to get UH football a Happy Holidays.


  10. Wes'side Warrior November 20, 2011 10:27 am

    Morning/afternoon, everyone!

    Down but not out yet. Still can.

    Go, Warriors!


  11. Wes'side Warrior November 20, 2011 10:29 am

    Portuguese Bean Soup… I love Portuguese bean soup! All kinds of things we miss when so far away!


  12. Bleed Green and White November 20, 2011 10:29 am

    Anybody catch Mack and some other coaches screaming “kill the clock, ground it, spike it” to the offense late in the game?

    Um, it was fourth down guys. Really, for $1.2M?


  13. Bleed Green and White November 20, 2011 10:29 am

    Just watched the game on DVR this morning, crazy!


  14. BigWave96744 November 20, 2011 10:30 am

    What’s the deal with the student reverse occupy boycott???


  15. chiefgator November 20, 2011 10:31 am

    BYU may be asking too much to beat with an 8-3 record but Tulane with a 2-10 record is beatable. David Graves looks like the future for the Warriors. McMacken may be gone but not to worry, He owns a house in Georgia, Texas, and Las Vegas and before the ink dries on his termination, June Jones will ask him to join his SMU staff. Mc will not have to worry about his future.


  16. Slugger November 20, 2011 10:32 am

    GO WARRIORS!!!

    They can do it. I believe!

    K, off to meet the aunties & uncle for lunch w/ Mom…. one of the F’s -> Family.


  17. ai-eee-soos November 20, 2011 10:32 am

    Was a tough game; tough loss.

    Showing potential.

    BEAT Tulane.

    one game at a time, folks.


  18. rico November 20, 2011 10:33 am

    anyone feeling good about the future at least, graves to stutz /graves to davis


  19. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:35 am

    just spoke with Graves.

    Classy guy.

    Very upbeat.

    He felt bad about the loss, but optimistic about the next couple of weeks.


  20. wafan November 20, 2011 10:35 am

    If Graves had vomited just as he was being hit the first time . . . he might have had more time after that.

    Hope he is feeling a lot better this morning!

    Two more with two to go.

    Go Warriors!


  21. chiefgator November 20, 2011 10:36 am

    Maybe JD can find 3 million somewhere and lure JJ back to Hawaii. That woukd be a great X-mas gift.


  22. BigWave96744 November 20, 2011 10:37 am

    This reminds me of the end of the 2009 season. Senior QB lost for the season and a sophomore QB has to win out to become bowl eligible. Take care of Tulane and the BYU game is like the Cincy game.

    Go Warriors.. I still believe.

    Pomai…

    Warriors 31 – Green Wave 10


  23. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:37 am

    Bleed Green:

    I heard about that. Fortunately for the Warriors, Rolovich knew the situation and was yelling to Graves to start the play.


  24. bigislandkurt November 20, 2011 10:39 am

    Graves shows a lot of promise and I sure to appreciate his leadership and moxy. But there are no assurances in life….or the future. Best he can do is continue to work hard….and WIN. I’m sure Stump, Higgins, and Shutter will work very hard to unseat him. With the all-too-real possibility that we’ll have a new coaching staff, who knows what can happen.

    BIK


  25. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:40 am

    Graves said he will work on sliding and throwing away passes.


  26. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 10:41 am

    #12,

    I am on the Hawaii sideline so couldn’t see what they were mouthing, though I thought I saw one coach motioning with his hands to “spike the ball.” Figured I must be wrong seeing it was 4th down. Thanks for clarifying.

    RIDICULOUS.

    Again, clock/game management was suspect and that is squarely on the coaches.


  27. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:42 am

    It will be an interesting competition in the spring.

    Graves would enter as the leader, but the other quarterbacks — Godfrey, Higgins, Shutter, Spain — bring different styles and talents.


  28. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 10:43 am

    Gotta give Graves a pass on some of his mistakes. He had very bright moments like his deep ball threats. When they didn’t connect it got a heck of a lot closer than Moniz went for it.

    Good to see what our future QB situation is.


  29. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 10:43 am

    #21, I don’t think so. I don’t think he would want to come back except to live here. He got fustrated with the “system” of how the upstairs run things around here. Plus, his team at SMU, is having their own problems with winning after a great start, inspite of all the money available to the program there.


  30. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:44 am

    People can yell or wave or do whatever. But the QB is looking at Rolovich, and if Rolovich knows the situation, then that’s all that matters. But there aren’t a lot of options with no timeouts and the quarterback just being sacked.


  31. Old School Dave November 20, 2011 10:45 am

    Should be an interest spring practice with Graves and Godfrey battling for the No.1 spot. Maybe throw in a JUCO hotshot QB to make it interesting.


  32. Garret November 20, 2011 10:45 am

    I really hope that UH wins the next 2 games. If UH doesn’t qualify for the Hawaii Bowl, then SMU isn’t going to the Hawaii Bowl either according to published reports.

    That leaves a matchup for something like Utah State (CFN projection) vs. Marshall for the Hawaii Bowl…no TV ratings and no attendance draw in that matchup.


  33. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 10:47 am

    Oh ok, its good that at least one coach knew it was 4th down…much more comforting.


  34. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 10:49 am

    ST, what was/is the situation with Justin Alo? He was supposed to grey shirt this spring.


  35. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 10:52 am

    papajoe:

    Alo has not met the requirements to join the Warriors in January.

    As I understand it, he wants to double-double gray shirt, meaning he would like to join in January 2013 (as a true freshman will still five years to play four seasons). A lot of that, I imagine, would depend on the coaching situation at that time.


  36. UHbacker November 20, 2011 10:55 am

    Was that the lowest attendance for a game against Fresno ever?? lots of orange seats visible and no students showed up at all, it was pathetic.


  37. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 10:57 am

    IMHO, IF, and I do mean IF, Coach Mac is not coming back next year for whatever reason, I think we should still get a coach with a “pass first” system because of all the players recruited for that system. I would welcome a different system of almost everything, including practicing and game preparation and especially game adjustments, during the game, on both O and D. I would still back Coach Mac and cheer for the Warriors should he still be the coach next year. After all, its the only game in town.


  38. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 10:57 am

    I thought the student boycott was pretty funny since UH already had their money for the seats.


  39. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 10:58 am

    #37 should be almost everything ELSE.


  40. bigislandkurt November 20, 2011 11:00 am

    That’s right! I love Graves’ moxy and gamesmanship. But if he does not learn the necessity of the QB slide, he runs the risk of being taken out like many a good UH QB before him. Play smart Graves.

    BIK


  41. wafan November 20, 2011 11:00 am

    Hope Alo gets his situation straightened out.


  42. bigislandkurt November 20, 2011 11:00 am

    Wow. this ravens/Cinci game is awesome!

    BIK


  43. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 11:01 am

    #35 ST, thanks for the info. He sounds like a winner wherever whe went including the post season all star tournaments, grabbing a few MVPs. Education come first around here.


  44. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:02 am

    The frustration, disappointment and anger is understandable, and probably justified.

    But losing magnifies mistakes. Obviously, things aren’t going well and there have been a lot of mistakes contributing to that, but it’s not like this is a staff of nitwits. It’s an experienced staff that knows the game. It’s OK to question strategy or game management, but I’m pretty sure Mouse Davis and Dick Tomey have greater knowledge of the game than most people.


  45. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 11:02 am

    Michele Wie improves and finishes in a tie for 6th.


  46. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:05 am

    I don’t think there’s a boycott.

    I think that when you’re a young college student, there are a lot of entertainment options on a Saturday night. Old folks, not so much.


  47. wafan November 20, 2011 11:05 am

    Is the boycott real or a rumor? I think it is funny, though, as IWWTHM stated, someone already has their money.

    Just does not sound well thought out.


  48. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:07 am

    By the way, McMackin owns a house in Vegas and Hawaii, not Texas or Georgia.


  49. Old Diver November 20, 2011 11:08 am

    The clock was winding down. That is not the time to be telling your QB to run the play. The time to do that is in practice so it becomes automatic during the game. Rolo needs to let the QB play football instead of trying to micromanage each play from the sidelines. With you think for your QB all the time your QB forgets how to think. The wideouts walking back to the line of scrimmage without a care in the world is poor coaching. The high school playoffs have shown more disciplined two minute drills than I saw last night.


  50. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 11:09 am

    #46,

    A UH counselor that sits next to us said some of the kids that came into the officer heard about a boycott.

    The security guards wearing orange that only handle the student sections said it was a boycott.

    A friend of mine who is currently enrolled at UH said he never heard of any boycott.

    Lol. So, who knows.


  51. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 11:11 am

    officer=office


  52. Garret November 20, 2011 11:11 am

    papajoe2,

    JJ has major injury problems at key positions. The QB that entered the season as a starter has a bad back injury and hasn’t been practicing or traveling with the team. The QB that has been starting has multiple injuries, including to his throwing side, which kept him out of practices and has limited him. The #3 QB missed all of last season with an illness and is still not up to speed. The #4 QB is a freshman who is redshirting and they don’t want to burn his redshirt.

    The RB that was among the NCAA leaders in rushing yardage and TDs is injured and out of the season. After those injuries, I was going to post a few days ago about how I felt that UH could beat SMU in the Hawaii Bowl if UH got on a roll starting with the Fresno State game…but that roll didn’t start yesterday so I’m glad I didn’t post that.

    One big difference between the 2 situations is that SMU has 20 commits, including a highly rated QB for the 2012 recruiting class. They also have a 4-star QB committed for 2013 that has offers from 3 SEC schools, plus from the Big 10, Big East, etc.


  53. Willie November 20, 2011 11:11 am

    When they flashed the NFL highlight streamer on the TV with Carolina: Kealoha Pilares 101 yard TD return, I just thought WOW! He works so hard, such a talent, he deserves it, looking for more to come!

    Lot of talk about spiking, 4th down, time management. How important was that blown timeout in the 2nd half when they had only 10 players on defense? So many going in & out at the last minute throughout the game. But this one? Fresno frantically trying to snap ball, their offense looked in disarray and with 2 seconds on the play clock I believe it was Hardy-Tuilau that called the time out.


  54. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 11:12 am

    Kamehameha grad and former USA World Cup player, Brian Ching, could be playing in his last MLS game (or maybe not) in the MLS (soccer) championship game today at 4 pm on ESPN. A lot of soccer enthusiasts will be at either Murphy’s or O’Toole’s in downtown.


  55. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:14 am

    There’s no boycott.

    If there were, then students have been boycotting UH sports for a while.

    Trust me, students aren’t that organized.

    Like I said, if you’re young and the football team isn’t winning, there are a lot of other options on a Saturday night.


  56. Kevin November 20, 2011 11:16 am

    Stephen Tsai:

    November 20th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    I guess UHfan808’s Portuguese bean soup is comfort food, because I had a bowl last night, and didn’t wake up until 10 this morning.

    Thanks, 808.

    Great stuff.

    I just woke up and tried to find the “like” button on this post…


  57. Garret November 20, 2011 11:17 am

    Disclaimer: This is from a Washington Examiner’s twitter account.

    Lawyers & paperwork slowing things down but #UCF #HOUSTON #SMU #BSU #BYU #AIRFORCE #NAVY to the #BigEast should come in 2 wks .

    http://mobile.twitter.com/wordmandc


  58. Garret November 20, 2011 11:19 am

    I thought that the students were showing up just about as much as they normally would have when the team isn’t winning big…or they have been boycotting UH for years and didn’t tell anyone.


  59. Kevin November 20, 2011 11:19 am

    We lost SIX games in 2009 all in a ROW. I and MANY here backed Mack.

    We are on a THREE game losing streak this year. I and MANY here… well, you know the rest.

    The college football landscape is changing and for the BILLIONTH time.. winning makes more of a difference now more than ever as if the declining overall fan interest and lack of $$$$$ isn’t reason enough.


  60. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:19 am

    I think JJ is a good test case.

    At UH, he never had 20 commitments before Thanksgiving, let alone those with multiple-star rankings.

    After nine years here, did he suddenly become a better recruiter?

    I think SMU’s resources, support staff and location have a lot to do with its success.

    That said, UH needs to turn loose Cal Lee and let him go hard after local recruits.


  61. Garret November 20, 2011 11:20 am

    UCF’s President seems to confirm the Washington Examiner report.

    UCF President John Hitt said he understands fans are growing frustrated with the delay formally announcing the Knights’ long awaited move to the Big East, and he is working to resolve it.

    Conference USA members UCF, SMU, Houston and Mountain West Conference member Boise State all are on board for a move to the Big East. Air Force and Navy are close to agreements to join the league as well, but many of the expansion candidates have had a variety of issues pop up during the past month that have delayed a joint official announcement.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/knights/os-early-feature-ucf-east-carolina-1120-20111119,0,2964687.story


  62. numbah1 November 20, 2011 11:22 am

    I heard about the boycott. It is NOT about the money. It is about making a statement. The talk was floating around some of the other teams on campus.


  63. Kevin November 20, 2011 11:24 am

    iwonderwhytheyhateme:

    November 20th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    I thought the student boycott was pretty funny since UH already had their money for the seats.

    Saw some UH student-athletes from three different sports at the Point Panic Festival concert last night so I can only imagine how many other students (non athletes) were there too. Tickets for that concert was $45.00.

    If access to football games are paid for in advance ($50.00) and each and these kids shelled out $45.00 for one non-UH football event last night, well, WHAT DOES THAT SAY?


  64. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:24 am

    I wonder if the Navy/Big East alliance will hurt the UH-Navy game in 2013?

    Navy will have to play a certain amount of league games, and there might not be an opening in November 2013 anymore.


  65. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:27 am

    Kevin:

    You were at the Point Panic Festival instead of the UH football game?

    Did you organize a boycott?


  66. Old Diver November 20, 2011 11:28 am

    Fresno State has a PAC 12 size line with a great running back and a QB with a NFL type arm. The Warriors were at an athletic disadvantage yet played well overall. Despite my grumbling I have high hopes for next year. Despite my complaining I hope the coaching staff remains intact next year. Aranda is still learning and at times needs to make quicker decisions but is a very smart guy. The offense reflects Rolo’s laid back style as evidence by the two minute offense. Mack needs to light a fire under his butt or get a replacement.


  67. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:30 am

    A boycott isn’t effective if the target wasn’t well-attended before.

    For instance, that would be like all of us boycotting tofurky this Thursday.

    If people wanted to make statements, protests are the better way to go.

    I’m just sayin’.


  68. Garret November 20, 2011 11:30 am

    I think JJ is a good test case.

    At UH, he never had 20 commitments before Thanksgiving, let alone those with multiple-star rankings.

    After nine years here, did he suddenly become a better recruiter?

    I think SMU’s resources, support staff and location have a lot to do with its success.

    ST,

    JJ became a *much* better recruiter when Reinebold joined UH and opened up a Texas pipeline, getting an entire secondary for UH plus Hawthorne moved to WR.

    At SMU, JJ has Reinebold as their #2 recruiter, with Adrian Klemm scooping a lot of top recruits in Southern California. Their 4-star recruits and their 3-star recruits with multiple Pac-12 offers have said that they committed to SMU in large part due to their relationship with Klemm. Klemm has friends from growing up in SoCal who are now the coaches at major LA and Orange County high schools…opening up pipelines that I never saw UH ever have.

    Klemm and Reinebold are responsible for something like 75% of SMU’s recruits over the past 3 years…and all of the 4-star and high 3-star recruits.

    UH had the option to keep Reinebold but didn’t want him. Klemm got his degree from UH just a few years ago and took an unpaid job for a year at SMU because he had no other offers. Klemm was just hanging out in Hawaii and it would have been nice if UH had found a spot for him…UH could have used Klemm’s pipeline into LA/OC recruiting.


  69. Garret November 20, 2011 11:33 am

    I’m over my depression of the game because I spent the morning with my wife and kids volunteering at a local food pantry. Hard work and seeing the difference made got my mind off the game. Things like this and our recent volunteering at the Ronald McDonald house have been good for my kids and a nice way for me to forget about the games…I’m a strong believer in volunteering as a nice outlet after a UH loss.


  70. Kevin November 20, 2011 11:33 am

    Stephen Tsai:

    November 20th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Kevin:

    You were at the Point Panic Festival instead of the UH football game?

    Did you organize a boycott?

    YES was there and NO there was no boycott although three of the 7 of us in our group including myself have season tickets.

    Tickets for the concert went on sale back in July and bought them then. Me and my friends are HUGE Sublime fans from high school and we waited 15 freakin years to see 2/3 of the original play live.


  71. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 11:34 am

    Maybe these students are the children of parents who went to the UH games during the Von Appen era and got turned off by how horrible they were and the parents grumbling and giving up thier season tickets. VA could have been a bad influence during our children’s generation. With all the grumbling by the fans now, they don’t want to be a part of it as they have many other things to do.


  72. numbah1 November 20, 2011 11:34 am

    #60 Might as well send the ghost of Knute Rockne–the reaction will be the same–who are you??


  73. Kevin November 20, 2011 11:34 am

    And yes we will be there for the last two games of the season.


  74. Wassup? November 20, 2011 11:39 am

    Mack and staff = Baboozes


  75. 808bowler November 20, 2011 11:40 am

    I still think austin is a better fit. Look at our past successful qb’s. Robinson, chang, rolovich, brennon, alexander all pocket passers. Its wat make’s they offense go. sitting in the pocket and letting ur receivers get open. When u scramble u force the receivers to break their route. Austin is a pocket passer. Idk why they took him out. He was making gud throws. But the receivers jus wasnt, catching three ball. Also seen fresno drop 2 int that graves threw. Don’t get me wrong the kid has talent. Jus think austin fits the system.


  76. Not an Expert November 20, 2011 11:41 am

    I vaguely remember that Reinebold was the last coach to go with JJ. Was he waiting for the HC job and after not getting it was he ever offered by Mack?


  77. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 11:45 am

    I got home from a baby luau around 10 pm last night. Watched the news and then tuned into the replay of the UH game at the promised time of 10:30. Shucks, the replay itself didn’t start until well after 11:30pm with the showing of the entire pre-game hype and interviews. I saw the opening kickoff and a few plays, including FS’s 1st touchdown, but kept dozing off. When I opened my eyes, it was already 17-0. I turned off the tv and now am getting ready to watch the game. Maybe this time the outcome will be different. hahaha.


  78. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 11:47 am

    I think McKnight was the last to join JJ’s staff.

    McKnight kept waffling and waffling.

    After Gerke left, McKnight was approached again.

    Waffle, waffle.

    And then last year.

    Waffle, waffle.

    Hmm. Not sure about anyone else, but I feel like pancakes now.


  79. Eric November 20, 2011 11:48 am

    #66 – you are overly generous in calling the Fresno RB great. He is good but looked great against our defense.


  80. Eric November 20, 2011 11:52 am

    If Arkansas beats LSU, and goes to the SEC Championship Game and loses. We may have a National Championship game between Alabama & LSU whereby the National Champion would not have won it’s own division outright, much less its conferece. Long live the BCS!!!


  81. BigWave96744 November 20, 2011 11:53 am

    I heard from students that via email, students started the boycott at the Utah St game due to them being blamed for the fight at the Utah st game. At the Utah st game, at one point there were more Utah st fans in the student section. Last night at one point there were less than 20 fans in entire far Orange section.


  82. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 11:56 am

    Was that Regan Mauia for the first down?


  83. Not an Expert November 20, 2011 11:59 am

    UH lost 3 games by 4 points or less. Lost one game by a 8. A few plays and better decisions in hindsight could have had a reverse of the win loss column.

    Another reason many schools don’t want a 13th game is due to the following. Example a team with a 6-5 record with one game left is more than assured a bowl spot. If that team had a 13th game with that record they could be out of a bowl game if they lost their last 2. Also if that team had a 6-5 record losing the last game (their 12th) will still qualify them for a bowl game. Odds is worse with that odd number 13th game.


  84. kev-1 November 20, 2011 12:00 pm

    Kevin . . . You skipped the game to see Sublime? Shame on you, fair weather fan. Season tickets too? hmph . . . LMFAO

    At least you got to listen to some good music. Did they play any of their old stuff? Bet they had to, cuz it is so big in Hawaii. I was big into them in HIGH school too, if you know what I mean.

    Me? Missed the game live, but watched it online. That is until my wife came home and wanted to TALK about the fact that I came home a little intoxicated the night before. Kinda hard to pretend to be listening to your wife while watching a game stream online. Missed almost the whole 3rd quarter. Gotta get better at that.

    Been waiting to here your thoughts on the b-ball game too, and Coach getting thrown out.


  85. bigislandkurt November 20, 2011 12:00 pm

    Eric, if there are any other schools worthy of the championship match up, I say “stand and be recognized.” Show me a team BETTER than LSU or Bama and I just might agree with your satiric jab at the BCS. It is what it is, but there are not others who can hang with the top tier SEC right now.

    BIK


  86. jm2375 November 20, 2011 12:00 pm

    Happy Sunday Tsaikos!

    Wes’side Warrior – #11 – we all tested positive last night for PBS. (Kekoa’s terminology 😀 )

    Clueless wahine question – there are a possible 7 teams joining the Big East. When? Who’s leaving? How many of the 7 are “all in” and not just football only? The conference already has scheduling problems for basketball.


  87. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 12:05 pm

    Just imagine if Boise State didn’t lose last week.


  88. Dan-O November 20, 2011 12:05 pm

    Boycotting students only hurting their own…..no show of support for their peers. Sad…..


  89. Matt November 20, 2011 12:05 pm

    Pilares return

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d824496da/Pilares-return-TD


  90. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 12:09 pm

    I’d like to see SEC teams play non-conference games out of the South.

    Alabama would kill Idaho on the road, of course, but it would suffer the next day because of the travel. It’s not easy getting to and from Moscow, Idaho.


  91. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 12:12 pm

    Thanks for the link, Matt.

    Good stuff.

    (But it was sort of lame when that defender tried to dive while being three strides behind Pilares.)


  92. Really November 20, 2011 12:14 pm

    I still have a lot of trouble understanding why people on this island are so bamboozled on Mack’s so called national reputation as a big time coach. His time was in the mid 90s with Dennis Ericson at Miami from 95-98. Ericson inherited a turn key program of nation prominence that Jimmy Johnson had completely established and Mack inherited a closet full of future first round picks. He played 4-3 cover 2 most of the season and led the nation in about every category with most of his kids coming from the Jimmy Johnson regime. The only reason Ericson was even considered for the Miami job was because Washington State’s AD Jancovich went to Miami and took Ericson from Washington State to Miami with him, which is being in the right place at the right time, His record at Idaho, Wyomic and WSU was about 50 miles away from deserving the job at Miami. Of course they left the Miami program on NCAA probation and in a complete legal shambles for violating about every rule known to the NCAA as they ran to the NFL together. They were average to below average at Seattle, then Mack was demoted at San Francisco in the NFL from DC to linebacker coach and officially retired after a couple years at Texas Tech where he was teaching a class on football to students and considered past his prime with questions about his health and facilities when June hired him for a one year run. When he was hired at 1.1 million a year the national opinion was WHAT? ARE


  93. Eric November 20, 2011 12:14 pm

    BIK – you are right that there are no other teams who can hang with the SEC right now. But as this crazy season has shown, it could change next wek. My point is the national champion could be a team that didn’t win it’s own division outright.


  94. Kevin November 20, 2011 12:16 pm

    Kev-1,

    Yeah I think they played TOO much of their old stuff though, but still, I NEVER thought I’d get to hear it live from them. Eric Wilson is the god of THUNDER on the bass, that thing was rattling our chests all night!!! They played for nearly two hours making it a 5+ hour concert overall.

    Crowd EXPLODED during Badfish and Santeria at the end. Two guys jumped on stage and got the MMA treatment from the bouncers.

    The craziest thing is that I think for about a handful of songs I could hear Rome singing clearly because for the most part all you could hear was the music and the entire capacity crowd singing along to pretty much EVERY song. It was chicken-skin stuff.

    Earlier, Pepper had the guy from Natural Vibes come on and they did a great medley.

    Iration was smooth. All the Wahines out there were getting PRETTY NUTS!!!


  95. Kevin November 20, 2011 12:17 pm

    Gib Arnold got tossed??? For what?

    Hmmm… I’m starting to REALLY like that guy after all… 😎


  96. Really November 20, 2011 12:26 pm

    92 continued. WHAT ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This was a guy who in 26 years had never been a head coach except at a puddle jumper school and it’s obvious for good reason. He was out of football for many reasons (listen to an interview, if it isn’t obvious to you his mind is slipping badly) and we gave him over a million a year to recruit poorly, to lose to the UNLVs, San Jose States and broken down Fresnos of the world, to hire an OC with two years in coaching (after firing his “best buddy he’ll have the job as long as I’m here” Ron Lee, and with Mouse on the same staff, who is still trying to run his package (with Aranda holding down a title only), whose special teams are below bad, and who sends 4 coaches recruiting to the mainland and let’s hs drinking buddies go on vacation when the season ends. You can defend him all all you want and thanks to Tsai we never get honest reporting anyway but the truth hurts and a bunch of us have been fooled on what we were getting, but we now know what we have. Of course Tsai can always put in another tear jerker blog about how many kids each coach has so we feel guilty for thinking about firing them. After all the next staff might now trade butt kissing for news scoops so a bunch of us understand why Tsai is afraid to this group go. Let’s step up to Division One A and get ready for the MWC. We all know what needs to be done.


  97. ct November 20, 2011 12:28 pm

    I hate to say this but my son is in the UH Band. Head Coaches in the past has thanked the UH Warrior Band after each and every game win or lose. Coach Mack has not done this after the last 2 games. The UH Band has probably been the UH FB Warriors #1 supporters as far as UH students are concerned. Sooooo … not even a word of thanks … not to mention … recognition for their hard work …. and the UH Warrior Band does work hard too … despite what others may think. To a lot of the band members and students this shows disrespect … and to top it off … walking off the field as the Band shows it’s support and pride in their school by playing the Alma Mater … well … let’s just say causes a loss of student support … very disappointing …


  98. kev-1 November 20, 2011 12:33 pm

    95 . . . think he was arguing a call or something. Game was already decided at that point though. the team hung with gonzag most of the night though. there is promise.


  99. kev-1 November 20, 2011 12:34 pm

    97 . . . this REALLY needs to be addressed by the admin


  100. RedZone November 20, 2011 12:37 pm

    man that crabtree can run.


  101. Bryson November 20, 2011 12:38 pm

    #97:How many times has the band director thanked the football team for giving them a platform to display their hardwork and efforts on?


  102. Kevin November 20, 2011 12:39 pm

    kev-1:

    November 20th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    97 . . . this REALLY needs to be addressed by the admin

    I think Admin can address this at the SAME TIME they will be addressing OTHER things as well…


  103. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 12:40 pm

    #101,

    Every single time they play the UH fight song and Alma Mater.


  104. Kevin November 20, 2011 12:41 pm

    Bryson:

    November 20th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    #97:How many times has the band director thanked the football team for giving them a platform to display their hardwork and efforts on?

    It doesn’t work that way. The UH Marching Band and UH football goes hand in hand as with ALL college marching bands across the country in relation to their respective football programs.


  105. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 12:43 pm

    A) I don’t kiss anybody’s butt.

    B) I get scoops because I work every day of the year.

    C) And, braveheart, I’m the only one who uses his real name and goes to every practice. I don’t hide in anonymity nor do I avoid interaction after I write something.

    So, you may project your anger anyway you wish, but don’t blame me for your emotions.


  106. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 12:46 pm

    I do think the team needs to be consistent with the alma mater.

    Either stay and listen to it after every game or not at all.

    It’s the UH alma mater It’s not a victory song.


  107. Kevin November 20, 2011 12:47 pm

    There are MANY individuals and groups involved with a college football game, or ANY college sport for that matter.

    The point CT is trying to make is that the last two games the head football coach did not make it a point to have his players address the UH Alma Mater at the end of the game.

    In 2008 Mack directed his team to the locker room ASAP after the loss to SJSU at home, he later apologized for that and PROMISED (there’s than *****ng word again) it “would never happen again”.

    This is just ONE of the many “small” unnoticeable things by the masses outside of the wins and losses that are tiny “warning lights” that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE.


  108. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 12:52 pm

    Kevin:

    The problem is there’s disorganiztion after games.

    Protocal is the team shakes hands with the other team, then listens to the alma mater, then scoots to the locker room.

    But that rarely happens. Everyone drifts all over the place.

    That’s why I think MIke Wilton had hte best approach. Win or lose, the team gathered on the court, he told them what time to report to practice on Monday, and he dismissed them to mingle with fans.


  109. Kevin November 20, 2011 12:55 pm

    Disorganization…. EXACTLY.


  110. ct November 20, 2011 12:56 pm

    #101 – I believe they thank the Warriors in their actions, they cheer with the best of them when they are not playing their instruments. And unbeknownst to most, they wear their Warrior shirts proudly and are out there encouraging their fellow students to come out to games. They are true fans … how much does it cost for a word of thanks and a shaka …

    Full disclosure as he receives a small stipend … but for all the hours spent … he would make a lot more working at his job …

    I was just was trying to convey a point that would help to keep fan support that’s all …


  111. tommui November 20, 2011 12:59 pm

    MATT #89 – THANKS!!!

    REALLY #92, 96 – as they say in the Star Wars movies – “much anger has he”

    but Stephen calls it the way he sees it.

    If people want to see action, improvement – put your money where your mouth is – Na Koa would be glad to take your $$.


  112. Kevin November 20, 2011 1:00 pm

    ct,

    Many of us here appreciate and respect the students that make up the marching and pep bands. Even though I was NEVER in band in high school or EVER… a school’s marching or pep band is the soundtrack to pride and glory.

    When the pep band surprised the Wahine Softball team last season, the players were very excited. It made them feel “big time” and at the end the team met up on the field right in front of the band as they played “Co-Ed” and showed their appreciation to the pep band. Plus it was great to hear the “sounds of Manoa” like “Fight For Old Hawaii” and “Hawaii Five O” in-between innings as well.

    Was a great moment. Real chicken skin.


  113. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 1:03 pm

    tommui,

    is Na Koa the organization that would help to subsidize a buyout if UHAD could not find the resources itself?


  114. Derek November 20, 2011 1:04 pm

    Question: What does Colt Brennan and David Graves have in common.

    Answer: They both throw up!!!!

    There is strong concern about the UH football attendance. That in its self, tells you a lot about the program. Jim Donovan has to do a lot of soul searching. I think he has been for several months now.


  115. James November 20, 2011 1:05 pm

    Coaching needs to be changed. We have athletes on our team that have proven to

    get us some wins but it’s evident from last nights game and our losses this season and even some wins that they are not getting the job done.


  116. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 1:06 pm

    Just to be clear, while people claim to know me or what I think, that would be incorrect.

    I have a lot of opinions about a lot of subjects.

    The one thing I don’t ever share is how I really feel about certain people. I won’t share that with friends, co-workers, bosses or even my family. To do so would take away from the job of reporting on a team every day of the year. (There’s a co-worker who always says, “I know you like …” And I’m like, how do you know what I like or don’t like when I don’t talk to you about anything?)

    So for people to assume I’m a hater or a butt-kisser or whatever, well, people just don’t know because I don’t share.

    And for there to be the assumption that a group of readers would blindly follow whatever I say, that’s not correct, either.


  117. Wes'side Warrior November 20, 2011 1:06 pm

    Coach Gib got tossed after his second technical, arguing the non-call of a reach-in by a Gonzaga defender that actually pulled on the arm of the Hawaii ball handler. Those kinds of calls went the ‘Zags’ way all game. I think we were called for nearly 30 fouls, while the ‘Zags might’ve been called for 9 or so.

    Although the game was close until the last 4 or 5 minutes, Gonzaga stayed ahead by making free throws and offensive rebounds. We hardly ever made it to the charity stripe, and didn’t do good enough on our own glass.

    It wasn’t really a neutral site game, since Gonzaga’s star, Sacre, was from Vancouver, where the game was played.

    The team does look like they will grow and be a good one. Can’t wait for the next game!


  118. RedZone November 20, 2011 1:20 pm

    When did Alex Smith get to be so good?


  119. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 1:22 pm

    I also think every player and coach should learn the words to the alma mater.

    Either it means something or it doesn’t.

    Disclosure: I don’t know any words after “In green Manoa valley …”


  120. Pride. November 20, 2011 1:25 pm

    Stephen Tsai:

    November 20th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    I don’t think there’s a boycott.

    I think that when you’re a young college student, there are a lot of entertainment options on a Saturday night. Old folks, not so much.

    Game? Sleep. Game? Sleep. Hmmmmm. Tough decision. Sleep it is.


  121. LizKauai (macbook) November 20, 2011 1:27 pm

    Not my alma mater…

    But I do know the Anthems and the fight song…

    apropos…

    GO WARRIORS!


  122. Pride. November 20, 2011 1:28 pm

    Stephen Tsai:

    And for there to be the assumption that a group of readers would blindly follow whatever I say, that’s not correct, either.

    I may not be a group, but I am one person. I don’t blindly follow. To follow is my choice with eyes wide open.


  123. Ralph November 20, 2011 1:30 pm

    ct thank you for your insight, and thank your son for a job well done and appreciated.


  124. tommui November 20, 2011 1:31 pm

    IWWTHM #113 I don’t know. Maybe the Punahou Mafia? (Just kidding PolyMom!)


  125. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 1:34 pm

    Pride:

    Yep, that’s my point. Everytiime someone disagrees with what appears to be the majority opinion, he calls the majority Kool-Aid drinkers. I don’t think anyone follows someone blindly.


  126. Stretch November 20, 2011 1:35 pm

    Why would anyone want to follow ST?? He never knows where he is going, even with a GPS


  127. Graham November 20, 2011 1:36 pm

    If coach Mac where to did let go do you think Adrian Klemm would be a possible target. He played for UH and is a great recuiter


  128. Ralph November 20, 2011 1:39 pm

    Na Wahine plays 18th ranked De Paul at 5 p.m. this afternoon at the SSC.


  129. el burro sabio November 20, 2011 1:40 pm

    #126 – like!


  130. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 1:41 pm

    Stretch:

    That’s exactly my point.

    As for my other point, if people are getting scooped, they’re just not working hard enough.


  131. LizKauai (macbook) November 20, 2011 1:45 pm

    I think people who pee all over the playhouse and diss the proprietor should clean it up and apologize…


  132. SteveM November 20, 2011 1:47 pm

    Good day everyone!

    RE: #116

    ST — by now, the Tsai-kos that know you best can guess how you will react to something, but certainly not what you think. Hence, we take cues off what you don’t say. I, for one, read what you say and speculate on what you don’t say. There’s a lot of speculation. 🙂


  133. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 1:50 pm

    I would be surprised if Klemm stays very long at SMU.

    I’ve been told his next move is to the NFL.


  134. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 1:52 pm

    This season reminds me of the 2005 season when we went 5-7… JJ’s second to the worst season. … The good news is that 2005 was followed up with 2006 and 07… Will Graves be the new Colt Brennan? His 48% pass completion leaves a lot to be desired for the RnS, but with repetition, hopefully he’ll improve by leaps and bounds in that category.


  135. SteveM November 20, 2011 1:54 pm

    ST — hate to tell ya, but if you were leading, you should look behind often to see who’s following. It will not be the same people every time… unless it’s a Karaoke Call or something… 😐


  136. gmahoney November 20, 2011 1:59 pm

    Not too many people follow ST. He is often late. Sorry I missed ya last night, ST!


  137. Pomai November 20, 2011 2:00 pm

    The only one one should follow is themselves…. think about it!!!!!!!!!!


  138. Ipu Man November 20, 2011 2:00 pm

    Anyone notice the empty seats at the 49er stadium?

    Hmmmm…


  139. 12thMan November 20, 2011 2:06 pm

    Ref. posts 92, 96: REAL TALK!


  140. RedZone November 20, 2011 2:07 pm

    9ers win. Strange ending tho.


  141. Derek November 20, 2011 2:33 pm

    Really: Good insight!

    Redzone: Alex Smith isn’t so good. He’s learning from Jim Harbaugh and just being efficient and making stupid mistakes. He’s no Aaron Rodgers (yet), maybe never, but he’s doing his job and the team is winning. “Hoo-ah”.

    For me, I enjoy seeing a Head Coach who is excited and is fiery and has the passion for innovative offensive play calling and is an innovator. Some examples, Mike Gundy, Chris Peterson, Gary Patterson, Kevin Sumlin, Larry Fedora (at S. Miss), Bobby Petrino, Brian Kelly, the other Kelly at Oregon, Sarkisian. I also enjoy watching Steve Spurrier, Saban, Miles, and the Baylor coach who is a risk taker. The common denominator? All of these guys win a lot of games. Two lesser known coaches and teams that are doing a great job are Mike London at Virginia and Charley Strong at Louisville. Butch Jones at Cincinnati is also good. I don’t really care for Muschamp at Florida, Jimbo Fisher at Florida St., and Bo Pellini at Nebraska. Brady Hoke at Michigan is doing a good job. He did a very good job at San Diego St. and at Ball St. So you can tell who is a good coach after awhile and by watching their teams. And they all seem to score a lot of points. Paul Johnson is also a fiery coach and is a risk taker. His team needs to pass the ball a lot better. He has to find the right QB who can do it all.


  142. Bleed Green and White November 20, 2011 2:43 pm

    Tsai – allow me to add my 2-cents, please.

    This is your blog, under your domain, under you ideas supported by those, who well, want to be hear catching up and stuff and trading stories / ideas.

    Am I right?

    Peeps, if you don’t like it, then click on another blog and read that stuff.

    I’m just saying.

    PRIDE – you rock brother

    No one should follow no one but yourself, small kine common sense right


  143. cocobean November 20, 2011 2:50 pm

    Adrian Klemm on the rise with a bullet.

    Stated twice before he’s my choice for 2015. It was my assumption Mack would win at least 8, make the HB and get his 2 yr extend. He’d be 38 in 2015. Around the same age of another then relative unknown assistant that was our first D1 head coach.

    If a change is made, I rather see a young guy get a shot. Some one with enough energy to be the lead man in recruiting. I can’t get excited about a recycled former HC or a 50 plus assistant getting his first shot.


  144. warriorbg November 20, 2011 3:18 pm

    Well, in all fairness June Jones never acknowledged or personally thanked the band. McMackin comes to visit the band’s marching camp at the beginning of every season to give a short speech about his and the teams’ appreciation for the band. With the exception of the last two games, he has come to thank/wave to the band after every home game…even some losses.


  145. el burro sabio November 20, 2011 3:26 pm

    Cocobean,

    When Dick took over he had been coaching for about 15 years, Adrian has about 4 years under his belt now.

    My big question is – can the guy talk? Dick is a great public speaker, June not so great, Wags and Mack rank well below June.


  146. Punaluu November 20, 2011 3:37 pm

    There was no boycott. My daughter is a student at UH and lives at the dorm. She never heard of such a thing. She said there was lots going on this weekend including a big concert. There’s no reason in the world the students would boycott a game. UH students are just not that attached to the sports teams. Don’t know why. The older fans are more dedicated. The students will go if there’s nothing else going on. Don’t know why they don’t “connect” with the teams. Actually, I think when it’s at Aloha Stadium, they have to board the buses early and it uses up a lot of their time, whereas the volleyball or basketball games are on campus and they just walk over in the evening and it gives them time to do other things during the day.


  147. uniwarrior November 20, 2011 3:37 pm

    808bowler 75 : agreed. Mac knee-jerked too soon. What if UH got the ball first? What if Fresno didn’t score so easily their first 3 possessions? Mac panicked plan and simple. Austin threw better than Mo did in many 1st Q’s this year. The reins were turned over too soon and just about the time Austin was getting into a rhythm I suspect IMHO. no disrespect to the newbie graves, but.. his 4th quarter performance is where the inexperience came into play. he will do fine soon enough, just not in time to change the outcome of the Fresno game. BUT on the bright side…this knee-jerk may just be the final nail in the coffin for the HC – maybe that is the bigger plan at work. Mac did not get the win he had to get and maybe that is a really good thing for the overall program and future.


  148. warriorfan4ever November 20, 2011 3:40 pm

    ST 105: well said and my hats off to you for saying it like it is.


  149. WarriorMojo November 20, 2011 4:04 pm

    Derek, you spend so much time telling us what you like about other teams and other coaches. Is there some reason why we should CARE? You bought a Boise cap, so what?

    You PRAISE another poster who insults ST and calls ST dishonest on ST’s own blog. You don’t see anything inappropriate about that?

    Seems to me that you are the LAST person to be criticizing Mack for his lack of manners and sensitivity.


  150. Bulla November 20, 2011 4:07 pm

    ditto #105,

    i’ve known ST from the days of Ka Leo…..whew, where did the time go, and even back then, he was still the same. he’s too quirky to be anything else, and that is the prevailing reason for his success over the years…..don’t like it, get your own blog…….no likey, no read-eee


  151. WarriorMojo November 20, 2011 4:08 pm

    And I quote:

    In the UH locker room after the game, defensive tackle Kaniela Tuipulotu rubbed his sore shoulder.

    “I’ll be ready,” he said. “I’m not going to miss the last two games of my frickin’ senior season. This was rough. Every loss is rough. We want to win for our coaches. They’re doing the same things they did last year, and we were winning (in 2010). It’s not them. We’re not making plays when it counts. That’s something we have to fix. We’ll get it fixed. That’s what I love about this team. We never give up.”


  152. kev-1 November 20, 2011 4:15 pm

    came across this quote . . .

    “Every man with an idea has at least two or three followers.”

    That makes me a leader, and at least 2 or 3 of you are my followers.


  153. kev-1 November 20, 2011 4:17 pm

    #151 . . . that is the one thing this team does not have – quitters. As frustrating as it has been at times, they have always played hard.


  154. d1shima November 20, 2011 4:18 pm

    Larry and Curly had Moe


  155. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 4:20 pm

    I’ve followed Derek’s post the past couple of years. I have no problem with anything he writes. He seems like a good guy.

    If he agrees with someone about what he wants in a coach, that’s fine.

    But if he’s questioning my work habits, then he’s just stupid.

    My feeling is he’s not stupid.


  156. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 4:20 pm

    Must be the quote that precedes…

    In this world there are more losers than winners. Face it, its in the odds and the odds are stacked against you.

    Always remember…

    In their lifetimes, almost all winners have been losers more often than they have been winners. You just never heard of them when they were losers.


  157. kev-1 November 20, 2011 4:23 pm

    154 d1 . . . love it. Literally laughing out loud at my computer screen. Thank you for taking the post for what it was meant.


  158. kev-1 November 20, 2011 4:25 pm

    ST . . . work habits? Didn’t you sleep until 10 this morning when you should have been awake at 5 am servicing your blog? Hmmm . . .


  159. d1shima November 20, 2011 4:26 pm

    😉


  160. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 4:27 pm

    Kev-1

    I blame the comfort food.

    808 makes a great PBS.


  161. kev-1 November 20, 2011 4:28 pm

    i’m jealous for sure


  162. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 4:32 pm

    kev-1:

    And I would have gotten more if two bloggers didn’t argue so much last night.


  163. Slugger November 20, 2011 4:33 pm

    Well, I had a fun afternoon! Sitting with a 90 y.o., aunties in their 80’s & 70’s, rooting for the Niners and talking baseball. I want to be as alive as they are when I’m that young. Big City Diner was nice enough not to kick us out while we were watching the 49ers, and talking, and talking, and talking.

    K, off to WBB. GO WAHINE!!!

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  164. Buffoman November 20, 2011 4:33 pm

    ST, #60. If they have not turned Cal loose in all of these years, the question one asks is Why?

    I was under the assumption that he was Da Man for local recruits. Sorry, but I think that’s nuts he has not been used in that capacity.


  165. d1shima November 20, 2011 4:34 pm

    I blame the comfort food.

    808 makes a great PBS.

    Arrrrrgggghhh…

    definitely worth the wait

    …and wait

    …and wait

    …and wait….


  166. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 4:35 pm

    Buffoman:

    It started with JJ, too.

    Cal Lee probably knows the father or uncle of every top player in the state.

    Not sure why he’s never been utilized more.


  167. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 4:36 pm

    d1 is immune to all of this. His college football team hasn’t had a losing season since Lincoln was president.


  168. Bulla November 20, 2011 4:37 pm

    i remember a mention of a PBS cook off between 808 and yours truly…..gotta make that happen sometime….. and the judges would be, well anyone that eats both concoctions 🙂


  169. jm2375 November 20, 2011 4:46 pm

    d1 – yup, you when miss ’em again. In typical uhfan808 fashion, she started cooking on Monday!


  170. jm2375 November 20, 2011 4:48 pm

    BTW – we were debriefing ST till about 1 am, so no blame him if he slept in…


  171. Old Diver November 20, 2011 4:48 pm

    #166

    Yup, JJ didn’t allowed Cal to do home visits. Cal was relegated to doing research on recruits. After Mack got rid of Ron I don’t think his relationship with Cal is the same.


  172. Wes'side Warrior November 20, 2011 4:49 pm

    Oh em gee! A PBS cook off? Where’d I put that “spoon” from my old army mess kit? Anyone got a link to a good recipe for some (back home) local-style PBS? I need to fix up a pot this week!

    #151… WarriorMojo… mahalo for posting Kaniela Tuipulotu’s words! Good to hear the sentiment from other side of the locker room doors!


  173. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 4:52 pm

    As I understand it, everything is about money.

    The administration would want to know first: Are you a season-ticket holder?

    The second is: If you are a season-ticket holder, would you renew if the football team did not change coaches?

    If the answer is “no” to the second question, then that would pique some interest if, in fact, you actually would go through and not renew. (Through the years many people say they will do something in protest but don’t actually do it.)

    As to the first question, if you answer “no,” in the eyes of UH, you’re probably not a registered voter. (PPV subscribers might not be factors because there might not be PPV next year.)

    The third question would be: If you’re not a season-ticket holder, which coach would make you want to sign up for season tickets?

    From all of the recruiting stories, I don’t see a unanimous choice. (When Stump Godfrey’s enrollment was announced, half of the people expecting Peyton Manning Jr. were like, “Are you kidding me?”)

    Again, if it’s about money, the pledge to buy or not renew season tickets would be the main issue for the administration.


  174. Wes'side Warrior November 20, 2011 4:57 pm

    Dang it… I gotta hit this MegaMillion jackpot!!!


  175. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 4:58 pm

    Interestingly, in 2005 we lost on ESPN2, ESPNU, ABC, and ESPN2 again…. as well as at Nevada.


  176. Wes'side Warrior November 20, 2011 5:08 pm

    Wonder how the fair-weather public could be swayed to attend and be more supportive of the University and it’s various functions/athletic teams? As pointed out above, some weekends, there are just so many “other” things to do. It’s not as cost-friendly for big families to attend anymore, especially in this economy. Of course, we go back to the “winning cures everything” mantra too. There’s been so many great ideas here over the years. And then, it also costs money to make money.

    Anyone feeling particularly lucky? I need some lottery numbers!!!

    *huh* Oh, I was dreaming again? Then why wake me up? Man…


  177. Da Punchbowl Kid November 20, 2011 5:10 pm

    #125 –

    The Kool Aid flavors enjoyed by Tsaikos are many and varied. It’s the uniqueness of of our host , as well as that of most Tsaikos which make this place what it is. You couldn’t find a more varied group. To paraphrase a quote from a great college QB, Tsai is simply the straw that stirs the drink. And that drink aint Kool Aid.


  178. Old Diver November 20, 2011 5:11 pm

    #173

    To ask the second question would mean you have a reasonable expectation that you would be able to buy out the contract. If I had a million dollars to spend it would be on a larger recruiting budget, better scouting and training tools like computers and software and more summer school scholarships.


  179. Wes'side Warrior November 20, 2011 5:12 pm

    Seems like there’s a sort of disconnect between Manoa and the rest of the island. I’d like to think we could get solid fans from the north shore and the leeward sides. There’s so much good high school football in the state, but we’re not reaching out to that core. Gotta make that connection.


  180. Wes'side Warrior November 20, 2011 5:18 pm

    I like the neighbor island trips.

    I like reaching out to the military.

    But, we’re not connecting with those most likely to attend games on O’ahu.

    If a poll was taken at each venue, I’d guess that most repeat fans would be from within a certain radius from each venue, aside from friends and relatives.


  181. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 5:21 pm

    Old Diver:

    I’ve heard in the circles the discussion has been about whether the current situation will impact next year’s season-ticket sales. That’s the most important, because that’s the guaranteed money on which the budget is built.

    There’s no questioning the loyalty and support of fans who can only afford to go to games a couple of times a year. But this is a financial debate, and the target audience is the season-ticket holders. If somebody is a long-time subscriber with good seats, don’t know he would be as willing to sign a no-renewal pledge just because he’s pissed at the current situation.

    I suspect people really just want more on-field success. I worked with an Atlanta Braves fan who couldn’t stand Bobby Cox. Winning makes things more tolerable; losing, not so much.


  182. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 5:25 pm

    Kool-aid….

    shoots.. I’m on Gatorade here… the powdered stuff from Sam’s Club …

    My gut tells come this off season, our guys will be lifting and working out harder than ever. The bad taste in their mouths will linger like it did for last year’s team and the Warriors will be ready for the MWC.


  183. Old Diver November 20, 2011 5:34 pm

    #181

    Got it, I’m praying for three straight victories so it nevers get to that point.


  184. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 5:35 pm

    If we don’t get to a bowl game, then Austin Hansen will never be able to play a Warrior down again, eh?


  185. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 5:41 pm

    MIH:

    During last week’s news conference, McMackin said Hansen would not play again for the Warriors.

    This was surprising, because I was under the impression Hansen would be eligible for the bowl game, if UH were to qualify.


  186. ai-eee-soos November 20, 2011 5:48 pm

    line opened @ -20; it’s @ -17.5 to -18.5 now.


  187. Ralph November 20, 2011 6:09 pm

    42-32 De Paul at the start of the 2nd half.


  188. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 6:17 pm

    That is sad news for Hansen. I hope he gets his degree and gets his shot at the next level.


  189. PolyMom November 20, 2011 6:23 pm

    @tommui…LMAO! You are funny.

    @StephenTsai…do you have to manage your blog too? As well as write? That is very hard work. Takes me three days to write my weekly column.

    Anyone going to the football banquet on the 4th?


  190. Ralph November 20, 2011 6:36 pm

    63-48 De Paul with 10 minutes in the game. UH being out rebounded and making more TO. De Paul with 12 more FG attempts and shot 24 3 pt attempts to UH 7. The imbalance in shooting and 3 pt attempts are the reasons UH finds itself so far behind. De Paul made 9 3 pt compared to UH 3 3’s and that is an 18 point swing already.


  191. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 6:43 pm

    Congrats to Kanani and the rest of the Vbows on making All-WAC. Kanani is the POY.


  192. Stephen Tsai November 20, 2011 6:49 pm

    It would be interesting if she played sand volleyball, too.

    Anyone know when she’s set to graduate?


  193. Ralph November 20, 2011 7:01 pm

    Na Wahine falls 90 – 65 to De Paul. They shot well, .41 in FG and 3 pt shots, the difference is in the number of attempts, 75 to 56 and 32 to 12 in 3’s. UH also committed 21 TO and allowed 13 steals and they were out rebounded 41 to 34.

    UH has no out side shot to date, none of the injured are 3 point shooters, so it will be another year where everyone else bombs away and UH try to trade 2 for 3’s and keep up or play catch up.


  194. bigislandkurt November 20, 2011 7:16 pm

    If we were undefeated, or sitting on a one-loss record, UH football would have been a hot ticket last night…..even for the students. If we were winning, it would the the concert worrying if the UH football game was going to affect attendance…not the other way around.

    Winning cures all.

    BIK


  195. RedZone November 20, 2011 7:34 pm

    Jasmine Zamora on the SB team is a really good point guard.


  196. jm2375 November 20, 2011 7:34 pm

    ST – #192 – I think I read somewhere that Kanani will probably not play sand vb. She wants to concentrate on graduating and getting ready to play pro/national team.


  197. Dan-O November 20, 2011 7:39 pm

    BIK…winning would just quiet the critics and arm-chair quarterbacks for a bit. The winning years of 2006 and 2007 with Colt and Crew did not produce a sell-out (I think).

    If Im not mistaken, the only 40,000+ games were those with BCS schools that brought about 2000-3000 of their own fans.

    IMHO, the attendance figures have everything to do with the conference/quality of the opponent. Last sellout was against USC I believe….had nothing to do with us thinking we could win, but the mere fact it was USC.

    We could be looking at a less than 20,000 crowd for this week’s game against Tulane.


  198. Hiflyer November 20, 2011 7:42 pm

    Was it not Kanani and Liz Kaaihue that posed for the picture when UH announce that they would have a sand vollyball team?


  199. Dan-O November 20, 2011 7:43 pm

    As for the student section….I’ve been sitting above the section for the past 10+ years. I have NEVER seen it EMPTY, like the past two weeks.

    Maybe no boycott, maybe get other stuff to do…..but the section is a ghost town.


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  201. Hiflyer November 20, 2011 7:50 pm

    Regarding the student section, maybe they are just sitting in another section that is out of the weather simce there are were many open seats available.


  202. al November 20, 2011 7:53 pm

    BigWave96744:

    November 20th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    I heard from students that via email, students started the boycott at the Utah St game due to them being blamed for the fight at the Utah st game. At the Utah st game, at one point there were more Utah st fans in the student section. Last night at one point there were less than 20 fans in entire far Orange section.

    yup, i heard that too.

    and two of the twenty were koakane and j/j.


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  204. Hiflyer November 20, 2011 7:55 pm

    Does anyone know if they scan the student ID when they enter or do they just have to show a valid student ID to enter. This would be the only way to know for sure the true student count.


  205. RedZone November 20, 2011 7:56 pm

    they should put the band over there. they are students too.


  206. Kevin November 20, 2011 7:59 pm

    I believe BigWave meant to say they were blamed for the brawl at the NMSU game.

    Which I said about 5 TIMES IN THE PAST FEW WEEKS WAS NOT EVEN IN THE STUDENT SECTION….


  207. al November 20, 2011 8:21 pm

    i used to go to many uh games from waaaaay back.

    the dave holmes era got me back in the stands.

    the hula-t gradually kept me away.

    the tomey years brought me back to the stadium.

    the bob wagner teams kept the interest going with that spread attack.

    the von appen years made me stop going to games.

    the early june jones had me attending an occasional game.

    the 2006 season definitely had me in the seats for nearly every home game.

    the 2007 team had me in the seats every saturday.

    then ever since the 2008 season although we kept re-upping the season tickets, there were too many games where we went home scratching our heads.

    two weeks ago i missed the game, first homer in years.

    #1 son and his gang of six have been season ticket holders for years now. they’ve missed several games this year due to apathy. last night, they sat in their seats in disbelief that we blew another one. they kept asking each other, “what just happened?”.

    they are seriously thinking of not becoming a season ticket holder next year. and these are uh alumni.

    i am hearing this all about me.

    if recent attendance trends are any indication and coupled with the current ground swelling of how folks ared not too happy with warrior football, then, yes, it is my firm belief as well as from others that i know, that many will not be attending games in the future nor renewing season tickets.


  208. Dan-O November 20, 2011 8:24 pm

    They check ID, I believe….then put a wrist band on them. What makes me think it’s a boycott is that I haven’t seen any other UH student athletes at the games. Usually, I’ll see some Wahine VB players for sure.


  209. al November 20, 2011 8:25 pm

    i was certain that the fresno st game would draw less than 28k and it did 24k.

    i am certain that this tulane game will draw less than 24k. it could get as low as 18k.


  210. Derek November 20, 2011 8:27 pm

    Stephen, I appreciate that. To set the record straight I have never said anything bad about you for your comments. If someone said otherwise, I am misunderstood. Thanks to you we are able to voice our opinions. If somebody don’t like our opinions they are free to voice their own opinions. Free country. People shouldn’t get all bent out of shape.

    WarriorMojo, your comments doesn’t bother me. I do detect that I hit on a nerve and that’s what I like to see, other people’s view. I actually enjoy sturring the pot sometimes to get reaction. That’s healthy discussion. By the way, yes I do have a Boise St. cap. I also have over 100 other caps, including 6 UH caps. I collect them.


  211. Bowwar November 20, 2011 8:29 pm

    Pay per View kills attendance…If they can get rid of it, I think you’ll have more attend games. It would also help if they could really fix the parking situation at NO ALOHA!

    Just to p.o. the gripers, maybe they should do a “Ching Field”…I’m sure we could fit 20000 fans in there and make it an event. Afterall, we had games on Maui, why not go to a smaller venue where we control parking and concessions.


  212. al November 20, 2011 8:30 pm

    shouldn’t they be having a season ticket holder appreciation night once a year for all sports?

    set up a tent with entertainment, pupus (partially donated by stadium concessionaires), and beverages (partially donated). the law requires that no free beer, okay charge em ten bucks. have silent auctions, raffles, coach appearances, former warriors, etc.

    it would be a great feel good affair.


  213. Ralph November 20, 2011 8:32 pm

    when the game started it was Koakane and 6 others in the entire student section closest to the band under OO. JJ sat across the aisle from Koakane.


  214. al November 20, 2011 8:32 pm

    didn’t our governor promise that he’d return the stadium to the university of hawaii?


  215. al November 20, 2011 8:33 pm

    were you one of them ralphie?


  216. al November 20, 2011 8:34 pm

    it must be disappointing for them to have so few students to interact with.


  217. Ralph November 20, 2011 8:36 pm

    no, did it once last season, lousy view, I prefer being up in the brown in the north end zone to see the schemes and action.


  218. Ralph November 20, 2011 8:37 pm

    that one time I went there, Koakane and Jojo really get into the game, more noise than the actual students. But yesterday, gramps disappeared by half time, not to be seen after the game at the cabana


  219. al November 20, 2011 8:39 pm

    ppv will affect the attendance to some degree, but, it is not a major impact.

    the 2007’s last few games were nearly or were sold out inspite of ppv. if the product is there they will come.

    …and even with all the hype then, i know of many long time warrior fans, some who are regulars here on the warrior beat, that do/did not attend games but opt for the ppv venue. some have no choice while others make it a choice.


  220. kev-1 November 20, 2011 8:39 pm

    Anyone who feels like doing the research, cuz I too lazy . . . how do UH’s numbers compare to other conference schools? If I’m not mistaken, isn’t Aloha Stadium the biggest venue in the WAC? It would look like we had more support if we had a smaller stadium.


  221. al November 20, 2011 8:40 pm

    actually i was referring to jesse(james) and not jojo.

    so what happened to gramps? he must have opened the tailgate too early.


  222. kev-1 November 20, 2011 8:40 pm

    not to mention now online streams are more of an option than before. People have more alternatives. Though like al points out it may not have that much affect.


  223. Kevin November 20, 2011 8:45 pm

    Season ticket holder appreciation currently exists in the form of UH offering two for one ticket deals for SELECT UH men’s basketball games.

    Well, it did last season, not sure about this year.


  224. al November 20, 2011 8:45 pm

    aloha stadium was the largest wac facility and will be one of the largest in the mwc.

    however, it has been proven that it can be filled on occasion and could consistently be attended by 40k every saturday as it did in the past.

    but, we must field a top notch program from top to bottom run by top shelf executives.

    for example, head coach, athletic director, chancellor, marketing departmentd, and the like.


  225. al November 20, 2011 8:47 pm

    kevin…none this year.


  226. Ralph November 20, 2011 8:49 pm

    last season for one game, jojo joined J(j) and koakane in the student section.

    last night j(j) lost koakane, gramps went awol by half time. j(j) ended up at the cabana by himself and he didn’t know where koakane went to or when he left during the game.


  227. Derek November 20, 2011 8:51 pm

    #207 Al, I’m similar to your situation. I’ve been a ticket holder since Don King was Head Coach through the Bob Wagner years. That’s a pretty long time. We always sat in the South End Zone, orange level, section AA.

    #211 Bowwar, I have pay per view now. For my situation, if there is not televised UH football games I still wouldn’t go to the game. I would probably just listen to it on the radio or maybe look at the delayed telecast. In the meantime, with no pay per view I would still be enjoying watching a lot of college football anyway on TV. With High Definition it’s just like being there. And replays are great too. With Pay Per View at least UH fans can see the game and UH can make some money otherwise. That’s the way I look at it. I’m still supporting the program in some fashion. I used to be a Koa Anuinui member and a NaKoa memeber. No we’re on fixed income so we have to budget a little more.


  228. Kevin November 20, 2011 8:51 pm

    Not interested in “making it look like” we had more support.

    Interested in UH decision makers MAKING A DECISION NOW to ensure we will have MORE support in the future…


  229. al November 20, 2011 8:55 pm

    can the aloha stadium be maintained such that it could last another twenty years?

    if so, would high end boxes be worth building?

    if not, should a new stadium be built adjacent to the exisiting one with all the upgrades necessary to bring us into the 21st century?

    the science of constructing/desiginng arenas/stadia is so advanced that a new facility could be done with enough vision and concept to last us through the next 5 decades. the state should invest in such a project, after all we’ve only one competition which is ourselves.


  230. al November 20, 2011 8:57 pm

    don king! wow. i remember him only because we played basketball with his tall son doug.


  231. al November 20, 2011 9:02 pm

    bob wagner. i liked that guy.

    i was intrigued when after assisting the offensively conservative dick tomey for years, he gets hired as the new head coach and brings in the free wheeling spread offense. he would say that as a long time defensive coach he felt that this was the offense that would give him the most trouble so it is why he employed it. he also knew it was an offense he could recruit to.

    vision.


  232. sports for fun November 20, 2011 9:07 pm

    This may sound foolish, but is there a way to expand the TC Ching Field on campus where it could be a decent size football stadium? Use bleacher seats? Have that road that leads to the Diamond Head exit exist under the stands? Just thinking…I don’t know if it’s possible. :/


  233. al November 20, 2011 9:11 pm

    jd has a tough call to make regarding his football coach. the bottom line is he needs to make a decision now and not after the season is done.

    one way or another he needs to make the call. surely there will be supporters for either case, but, it seems that the supporters for are becoming less and less each day.

    even those who were hailing mack earlier have dropped their banners and have certainly jumped off the bandwagon. all those who were once proclaiming that mack be voted for coach of the year have all gone away.

    those who knew a little more about the game had their suspicions when he was first hired.

    the old addage, “only time will tell.” has become reality.

    mack, a nice guy needs to move on. no hard feelings it comes with the position.

    the ship is sinking and before water can no longer be bailed out fast enough we need to get that new captain to right the ship now.


  234. RedZone November 20, 2011 9:11 pm

    bob wagner also thought that hawaii had the type of players that would fit in the spread offense.


  235. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 9:11 pm

    PPV bring over 2 million to the bottom line. How many tickets is that equivalent to after taking out expenses?

    100,000? more? 13,000 tickets per home game?

    Don’t know if it’s feasible to get rid of PPV… but in the MWC, does it matter? If it all goes to the hui?


  236. RedZone November 20, 2011 9:13 pm

    I still have my I talked story with Coach Wags and the Big Guy T-Shirt.


  237. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 9:15 pm

    Rumor is that the students were protesting for being blamed for the fights at the Stadium and that is why they didn’t show up. … Don’t know if this is true, or not..


  238. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 20, 2011 9:16 pm

    I’ve been directly above the student section in blue for nearly 20 years. I cannot recall a single game in which the student section was so empty that close to kickoff.

    A few minutes before the national anthem, I saw Koakane and JJ. In Koakane’s section there were literally 10 people. I called Koakane to ask what classes he was taking to merit sitting there. He said he was taking green bottle crafts.

    So I ask the person who is a UH counselor about the student section and he says he heard from students its a boycott, towards the 4th quarter i go down to grab a drink and I see the security guard with the orange shirt why its empty. He says its a boycott. My friend who is currently enrolled at UH but isn’t a real sports fan says he never heard of any boycott.

    It’s probably a mixture of a half-arsed attempt/whisper campaign at a boycott, other things to do, and lack of interest that kept students away.

    In any event, when the student section started filling up, they weren’t students. Unless off course the Outreach College continuing education/senior outreach program came out en-mass.


  239. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 9:16 pm

    It’s sad really, because a season like this really fires up the underclassmen to work out during the off season and get into shape so as not to repeat what happened. Like 2010.


  240. RedZone November 20, 2011 9:18 pm

    one thing i like about the spread is how the oline fires out on its blocks.


  241. RedZone November 20, 2011 9:20 pm

    I can remember a student being interviewed at a basketball game saying that they don’t go to the football games because the team is junk.


  242. ai-eee-soos November 20, 2011 9:22 pm

    re # 240. the ” O-line FIRING out on its blocks ” – I sure miss that.


  243. kev-1 November 20, 2011 9:23 pm

    i just wonder if expecting 40K per as an average per game attendance isn’t a little lofty. While it has been done in the past, it is a very high number for a WAC/MWC program. Then again, when I was a kid it seemed like that stadium was always packed.


  244. kev-1 November 20, 2011 9:24 pm

    sorry Bears fans . . . Cutler may be done for the year. Ouch.


  245. Dan-O November 20, 2011 9:36 pm

    kev-1….when you were a small kid, all the people looked bigger….so the stadium looked more full!


  246. Ralph November 20, 2011 9:39 pm

    What will ticket sales be like next season should Boise and Air Force leave the MWC? We’ll have South Alabama and Lamar at home, plus whatever the MWC schedules as our home games. Pretty sick looking schedule to keep fan interest without Boise State, BYU, TCU and Air Force. BYU is an away game in 2012.

    I don’t think New Mexico, Colorado State and Wyoming will be big draws, the bottom line will take a hit in low ticket sales.


  247. oldie November 20, 2011 9:41 pm

    We bought season tickets when Aloha Stadium first opened. We dropped out sometime after the kids were born.  When they got older, we bought occasional tickets, even through the Von Appen years.

    We again picked up season tickets when JJ was announced as coach.  We have been season ticket holders since.  For three tickets this year (including parking and PPV away games), we pay about $1,300.  That’s not including snacks in the stadium.

    The past few years have ended badly.  Blow out games against Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Tulsa.  In fact, I was so discouraged after the last Hawaii Bowl that I have totally stopped listening to or watching any local football sports talk shows on radio or television.  I don’t know if that matters to any advertisers.  We still whole-heartily support the players.  We see their efforts whether we win or lose.

    Would we drop our season tickets after this year?  Not sure.  We have thought about not attending the last two games although in the end, we did attend both.


  248. Old School Dave November 20, 2011 9:47 pm

    Eliminate PPV. Remove the track from Ching Field and build a 45K seat stadium, with 20K prime individual seats, the rest bleacher style, and with luxury suites. Key point is that the University will manage it like SSC and get the profits from concessions. Prohibit tailgating and individual parking in and around the UH Manoa area- no choice, but to use public transportation or walk.


  249. Kevin November 20, 2011 9:48 pm

    RedZone:

    November 20th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    I can remember a student being interviewed at a basketball game saying that they don’t go to the football games because the team is junk.

    Sounds like some of these kids take after their parents…


  250. Kevin November 20, 2011 9:49 pm

    So where will the track and field team go???

    Oh wait, they are not a revenue sport plus it’s a women’s sport so who cares right?????????????


  251. cocobean November 20, 2011 9:49 pm

    #145. Right now Klemm might be a bit young. I was projecting to 2015. He’d have 7 yrs of hands on experience. You got to remenber he played pro ball while Tomey started as a GA with no football playing experience. I think Tomey played baseball.

    I have no idea what kind of person or speaker Klemm is. He looks good on paper to me.

    He played here so is familiar with the Island lifestyle. He played in the R n S and is now coaching under JJ. Thought he would provide continuity with the O and the pl;ayers we’ve recruited to play in it.

    The two main reason I like him is his reputation as a recruiter and his age. You can look up articles on his recruiting prowess. At his age he has a lot of room to grow as a coach. As a young newbie HC I hope he would bring in a lot of positve energy that would trickle down to his assistants, the players and the fan base.

    Then again, this was based on him being ready in 2015.


  252. Dan-O November 20, 2011 9:50 pm

    al:

    Sad to hear about your son and his friends possibly not renewing their season tickets. I know everyone has their reasons, and we can all only speak for ourselves.

    As for me and my family, my dad has been taking my brother and I since the old Honolulu Stadium days of Casey Ortiz and Allen Brown. My greatest recollection is the 15-13 victory over BYU when Reinhold Stuprich kicked 5 field goals for UH. Little did I know that I wouldnt see another UH victory over BYU until Garret Gabriel….some 20 years later.

    Our family supports the football team, win or lose. We are fans that enjoy going to the games, soaking in the atmosphere, etc. More importantly, we are there to support the student-athletes. I could care less who they play, I’ll be there, and so will my family.

    My parents buy 7 season tickets every year. I purchase two. We now have 3 generations of our family attending the games. I look at it as a donation to the athletic department. I am thankful that my parents are able to purchase tickets for all of us, and that I can also afford to pitch in. We weathered thru the Von Appen years….so this is really nothing compared to that dreadful season.

    I understand everyone’s frustrations. Our family lets it all out in the van ride home while listening to the post-game show. Regardless of the coaching outcome, our family will still be sitting in the same section next year, cheering on the team. I can only hope that those that can…will continue to show their support by continuing to attend the games.

    If an empty stadium looks bad to us….I cant imagine what our boys are thinking, as they run out and see practically no one in the stands.


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  254. Ralph November 20, 2011 9:53 pm

    walk! you kidding, you want 45K fans and you expect many to walk to the stadium from the Moilili area. I doubt if the bus system can carry 45K to the university area on a timely basis.


  255. Kevin November 20, 2011 9:55 pm

    People can go ON AND ON about an on-site facility for football (while destroying the facilities for OTHER sports in the process 🙄 ), but the fact remains…

    -Get some new blood to take the program up and out of where we are and where we most likely will be headed if there are no IMMEDIATE CHANGES and hopefully we won’t have to SETTLE, the word is “SETTLE” for a smaller venue than what we have now.


  256. Kevin November 20, 2011 9:57 pm

    My God… did anyone see that Poncho Solar commercial???

    WTF IS THAT???????

    GUY CAN BARELY SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!!!

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  257. Ralph November 20, 2011 10:13 pm

    RAIDERS WON, 27 – 21 over the Vikes. Satele out with a concussion. Raider Nation sailing along in first place in the AFC West, a game ahead of the Broncs, up next is the Bears at home. Did someone write that Cutler is out, aw shucks! 🙂


  258. cocobean November 20, 2011 10:15 pm

    #252. Been a fan of local sports, mainly football, basketball and baseball, all my life.

    Kalani was MY team. From 7th grade to graduation in 1968 I went to every football and basketball game. Back then it wasn’t about winning it was about loyalty.

    Went to my first UH football game in 1968 my freshman year. I’ve been loyal to everyting UH sports since then. Haven’t missed too many football or basketball(starting in 1970) since. I’ve had season tickets in all the major sports at one time or another – FB, Bball, BaseB, Wahine VB, Men’s VB., Wahine BB. I’ll watch every soccer and softball that’s no TV.

    For me it’s never been about the coaches or winning. It’s always been about LOYALY to my school and the players that represent my school.

    I guess times change. I’ve seen a lot of changes…not necessary like all of them.


  259. kev-1 November 20, 2011 10:20 pm

    256 . . . I HATE that commercial, but can’t help but sing the stupid thing everytime it comes on. “He pix por me, my wallet pat . . .” ugh

    Hate it so much, when I think of solar companies, that is the one that pops to mind. I guess you call that effective advertisement.


  260. Dan-O November 20, 2011 10:24 pm

    True dat cocobean…..

    I’m lucky that my dad is a die-hard UH fan. He has season tickets for ALL UH sports (BB, men/women VB, baseball and football). I think he only doesn’t have one for women’s BB. He buys multiple season tickets and takes the grandkids to their favorite sport. My daughter is his date for all the volleyball, my sons and nephews go to the basketball and baseball games.

    Of course winning makes it more enjoyable, but you’re right it’s not about the winning or coaching. It’s about supporting the teams and the student-athletes.

    I think it’s safe to say that the next couple of generations in my family will continue to support UH athletics, just like you and your family.


  261. kev-1 November 20, 2011 10:26 pm

    Hmmmm . . . when trying to lure opposing teams into the Hawaii recreation/nightlife, one can offer the Waikiki fun, women in bikinis on the beach, a stroll down the strip, and dare I say prostitutes. Okay, Tulane taken care of. Now if we could only figure out how to lure a BYU team. A day at the beach? Too hot in shirt and tie. A stroll down the strip? Sure, to pass out fliers. Prostitutes? Sorry, no can touch. Nightlife? Ah, no can drink. Hmmmm . . .


  262. papajoe2 November 20, 2011 10:39 pm

    Ahaaaaa. Last play of the game, the play was already called but somebody was lined up on the wrong side with time running out, so had to snap it with 1 second left and ad lib.


  263. Ralph November 20, 2011 10:45 pm

    Looks like Sonny Dykes has turned the La Tech program around in 2 years, 7-4 overall and in first place in the WAC with one conference game to go at NMST. Possible WAC champs in 2 years as a HC, congratulations to him.


  264. madeinhawaii November 20, 2011 11:00 pm

    Two years is too short to tell… those are recruits from the previous coach… gotta see how in does in year 4 or 5… .. Mack went 10-4, WAC Co-champs last season… ah… but how soon we forget… We are so spoiled, eh?


  265. WarriorMojo November 20, 2011 11:02 pm

    Re #252 Dan-O

    Re #258 cocobean

    Totally agree with you guys. The program is bigger than any coach or player. It is bigger than a won/loss record. Too many people just don’t get that. Thanks for sharing.


  266. al November 20, 2011 11:12 pm

    dan-o…i, too, was at that same game.


  267. al November 20, 2011 11:36 pm

    moniz ended with 10,169 yds passing and 75 tds.

    791 completions in 1271 attempts,

    a 62.2 percentage

    with 30 ints

    …and yet folks were booing him.


  268. warriorbg November 20, 2011 11:46 pm

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