. . . And the rest

Can’t go anywhere these days without folks insisting that the next three games will impact the future of the UH football staff.

While the older coaches have been through such circumstances before, sometimes  forgotten is that real people, with less security, are affected. Assistant coaches, graduate assistants and football support staff are on one-year contracts, such as:

• Offensive coordinator Nick Rolovich, a former record-setting UH quarterback. He and his wife have two children.

• Running backs coach Brian Smith, a former UH center who was once in an NFL camp as a free agent. Smtih and his wife Liane are expected their first child, a daughter, next year.


• Defensive coordinator Dave Aranda. He and his wife have three children.


• Defensive line coach Tony Tuioti, a former UH defensive tackle. Tuioti and his wife have seven children.

Sure, football is a business, and a lot rides on business being good to help subsidize other sports programs. But there is a human element to every business.

COMMENTS

  1. WarriorNY November 17, 2011 6:38 am

    First?


  2. d1shima November 17, 2011 6:44 am

    Second!

    And I read everything….

    Best of luck to the entire staff.


  3. Hilo-Warrior November 17, 2011 6:45 am

    Top Ten nice!


  4. ai-eee-soos November 17, 2011 6:47 am

    Good luck to ALL the Warriors.


  5. whitey November 17, 2011 6:50 am

    good morning tsaikos


  6. WarriorNY November 17, 2011 6:50 am

    I have full confidence in this coaching staff. People are so quick to forget last year’s 10-4 WAC championship year… Rolo’s top ranked passing offense… Aranda’s big play defense… Brian Smith’s work with Alex Green (led NCAA in yards per carry)…


  7. WarriorNY November 17, 2011 6:51 am

    @2

    Lol… Yeah, I was so shocked to be first that I had to comment before I read it…

    Morning All, BTW


  8. Mari November 17, 2011 6:56 am

    7 children! Wow!!


  9. Da Punchbowl Kid November 17, 2011 7:09 am

    Good Morning Gangeez! 🙂

    That’s a talented bunch of up and comers! Definitely some coaching stars among them.


  10. Da Punchbowl Kid November 17, 2011 7:11 am

    Top Ten! And I read the post and ALL of the brilliant comments, too!


  11. LizKauai (iPad) November 17, 2011 7:11 am

    Aloha Kakahiaka!


  12. Da Punchbowl Kid November 17, 2011 7:14 am

    Coach Tony only needs four more and he’ll have his own defensive unit!


  13. koakane November 17, 2011 7:15 am

    morning


  14. LizKauai (iPad) November 17, 2011 7:18 am

    I hope that UH decision makers realize that positive and negative attitudes are a reflection of the proponents and not necessarily a reflection of the reality that they must base their decisions on.

    As for my choice to take the high road as much as possible, that stems from spiritual principles and are not kool-aid related:

    “O COMPANION OF MY THRONE! Hear no evil, and see no evil, abase not thyself, neither sigh and weep. Speak no evil, that thou mayest not hear it spoken unto thee, and magnify not the faults of others that thine own faults may not appear great; and wish not the abasement of anyone, that thine own abasement be not exposed. Live then the days of thy life, that are less than a fleeting moment, with thy mind stainless, thy heart unsullied, thy thoughts pure, and thy nature sanctified, so that, free and content, thou mayest put away this mortal frame, and repair unto the mystic paradise and abide in the eternal kingdom for evermore.”

    Have a great day, everyone!

    Go Warriors!


  15. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 7:19 am

    Morning/afternoon, everyone!

    Good to open eyes and see a slightly bigger picture. Of course, the “devil’s advocates” will come out in force before too long.

    I happen to like our coaches, and understand that we’re having one heck of a tough, down, injury-plagued year… at a time when winning is paramount. Just a tough situation to be in, no matter how it’s sliced.

    Stick with it, Warriors! Grind it out to the end. And please take care of school work! We need everyone available!

    Believe and Be the Light!


  16. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 7:20 am

    Liz:

    “… not kool-aid related”

    Hahaha!


  17. Garret November 17, 2011 7:34 am

    Coach Tuioti, Coach Aranda, Coach Rolo, and Coach Smith are coaches that UH are lucky to have. They recruit, work hard, and do all they can to help the Warriors succeed. They know that whether or not Mack is at UH, they are on year-by-year contracts and things could happen at anytime (look at Fresno State and Tulane, UH’s next 2 opponents).

    I wish them to have long careers at UH, or that they will have the choice of opportunities elsewhere for their careers if positions come up that will advance their careers. All of them could be head coaches someday and they may need to leave UH at some point to get the higher position and additional experience needed to come back to UH.


  18. Garret November 17, 2011 7:37 am

    Article about the difference in TV money for Utah and Utah State, showing how the finances in college football are changing. Remember, I posted figures a few months ago that showed that 2 years ago UH made more TV money than Washington State…the Pac-12’s new TV deal changes all of that.

    If you go by some published reports, when Utah gets a full share of the Pac-12 TV money, they could be making 250x what Utah State will get from the WAC TV money!

    Utah’s move to the Pac-12 is going to make the Utes rich on TV money. BYU’s move to independence is making the Cougars a lot richer than they were in the Mountain West.

    Utah State, however, resides below the poverty line. And therein lies a fundamental flaw in college sports.

    Next season, Utah will get at least 75 times more TV revenue than USU. Maybe 120 times more. And the Utes will be getting only a 50 percent share of Pac-12 money.

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/52898144-77/million-per-percent-utah.html.csp?page=2


  19. Garret November 17, 2011 7:42 am

    The Pac-12 is playing a lot of Thursday games during the conference part of the season to maximize their TV money, which results in their teams needing to take their only bye week for the week before the Thursday game. That means that those Pac-12 schools cannot use the Hawaii Exemption–Colorado does not have a bye week this season since they are using the Hawaii Exemption to get an extra game, but starting next year the Pac-12 will be playing Thursday games on ESPN.

    The Thursday games will also require some of the rivalry games (USC-UCLA, Cal-Stanford, etc.) to be played earlier in the season instead of during the final week like they have done for years.

    The Pac-12 championship game now occupies the first weekend in December, thereby eating up a Saturday previous used by some schools for their 12th regular-season game.

    The increase in the number of Thursday night games, which require the participants to have a bye the previous weekend.

    (Starting next season, in accordance with the $3 billion deal signed with ESPN and Fox, the Pac-12 will have four Thursday night games.)

    http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/11/16/pac-12-football-get-ready-for-rivalry-games-in-october/


  20. polywarrior4life November 17, 2011 8:12 am

    Good Morning?

    Interesting, but still, boring.

    Have a great day and good luck too the coaches.


  21. Walter November 17, 2011 8:15 am

    have we turned into a welfare line now? If you don’t get the job done it doesn’t matter if you have kids. Want to keep your job, do it well which they currently aren’t doing. I could care less how many kids they have.


  22. Garret November 17, 2011 8:20 am

    Tuioti, Rolo, and Smith were 3 of the Warrior coaches that ST mentioned who were flying around the country to recruit this season. I think that ST said that only 4 Warrior coaches recruit on the mainland, so they are UH’s link to mainland recruits and their families/coaches.


  23. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 8:22 am

    tuioti is our best recruiter, IMO.


  24. Old School Dave November 17, 2011 8:25 am

    Unfortunately, given the nature of the profession, coaching changes, staff shake ups, not being retained, or getting a better offer are all part of being a college assistant. I don’t think any of the “young guns” on the UH coaching staff would want to be doing anything else as far as earning a living. I’m sure that whatever transpires after this season, Coach Arranda, Rolovich, Smith, and Tuioti will continue to develop and move up in the coaching profession.


  25. Stretch November 17, 2011 8:35 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    This is something I posted yesterday morning regarding the assistant coaches, including support staff.

    Stretch:

    November 16th, 2011 at 6:56 am

    Good Morning Tsaikos!!

    On last night’s Call the Coach show, Mack said that he does NOT want to be bought out since the assistant coaches will lose their jobs and get no compensation.

    So, it got me thinking….

    Mack will walk off with a million and assistants, zero. If he cares so much about the assistants, shouldn’t Mack take a $500,000 payment, then split the other $500,000 to the assistants so they have something to hold them over. That would show REALLY cares about his assistants.


  26. papajoe2 November 17, 2011 8:41 am

    Garret, if the PAC-12 reserves the 1st week in December for its championship game, what will the other 10 teams do during that week? Are their seasons over? Can UH make a deal with the conference that allows, say their 3rd or 4th place team play in Hawaii for their final regular season game? I know it would be a “last minute game” for whoever the PAC 12 qualifer is, but maybe some $$$ incentive can make it happen. Also, could this be done with other conferences for their last regular season game? If its their conference’s 3rd or 4th place team, then they wouldn’t be eligible for a BCS bowl game. Or UH could make a deal for a conference to send any team to Hawaii in the 1st week of December, not necessarily the 3rd or 4th place team. The different confrences could rotate the last game to make it PAC 12 next year, Big 12 the following year, SEC the year after that, etc.


  27. Old School Dave November 17, 2011 8:43 am

    Recently traveled to Austin, TX for some family business. Direct flight from HNL to Houston just under 7.5 hours. Along with the direct flights to Dallas, UH could take advantage of this and recruit more in Texas with all of the available talent in that state.

    On a side note, I didn’t realize that Duane Akina is back on the UT coaching staff. Not sure if he’ll be employed after this season with Mack Brown being on the hot seat.


  28. Garret November 17, 2011 8:44 am

    tuioti is our best recruiter, IMO

    letsgowarriors,

    From everything that I’ve heard from some folks and read from others, I agree with you. It was a shame when he was the recruiting coordinator last year and he couldn’t recruit off campus, but this year he has been able to travel for recruiting since he’s a position coach.


  29. wait a minute November 17, 2011 8:45 am

    Stretch,

    What is it you want? Do you just want Mack gone, or Mack and all assistants gone?


  30. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 8:48 am

    he was a coach last year, IIRC. it was 2 years ago and prior, when he was the RC. id be the RC for $50k/yr. hit me up Mack!


  31. Garret November 17, 2011 8:48 am

    On a side note, I didn’t realize that Duane Akina is back on the UT coaching staff. Not sure if he’ll be employed after this season with Mack Brown being on the hot seat.

    Akina was a Pac-12 coach for about a month or two, until Jerry Gray (who UT hired to replace him) got a job in the NFL about a month after starting at UT.

    Mack Brown on the hot seat? That simply isn’t the case from the news I hear from Austin. Texas hired new coordinators and was doing much better this season, really getting on a roll with their power rushing offense…until all of their top 3 RBs couldn’t play due to injury. It is hard to be a power rushing team without your RBs.

    Texas is playing a very young team–freshmen at QB, RB (top 2 RBs), WR, and most of their starters are freshmen/sophomores. They also have an amazing recruiting class coming in.


  32. Garret November 17, 2011 8:49 am

    My mistake on when Tuioti switched from RC to position coach. Time sure flies!

    I saw Tuioti speak at a Na Koa lunch and really respected how he presented things and how he approached things in such an organized way.


  33. Stretch November 17, 2011 8:52 am

    Mack is NOT going to keep his job just because he worries about his assistants. If he worries so much about them, he could give them some of the money from his buyout if it happens. Mack is responsible for his entire staff.


  34. wait a minute November 17, 2011 8:57 am

    Stretch,

    Your personal view – do you want just Mack to go, or for all the assistants to go too?


  35. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 8:57 am

    Mack’s sorry excuse to keep his job. “hes worried about his assistants!” LMAO, give me a break. Mack is such a cry baby and thinks the world is out to get him. newsflash Mack, the world aint fair! deal w it.


  36. Last Call November 17, 2011 8:57 am

    I wonder how many businesses would keep a poorly performing staff just because they have a wife and kids.


  37. papajoe2 November 17, 2011 8:58 am

    #25 Stretch. I see your point, but unless somebody is in a union, what is preventing any company from telling a high priced employee to take a pay cut so we could give it to other staff members to retain them so that they wouldn’t go to the competition? Come to think of it…… nothing. What I think is that we were forced to get Coach Mac at a high price, (ok, maybe souldn’t have been that high) and we just have to eat it for our mistakes. Wasn’t coach Mac on his way to SMU, and finding a coach with similarity to UH and its system on and off the field, to which is why the high price for his salary? Speaking of unions, didn’t Coach Gib or UH have to get the union’s approval before the contract was okayed? I wonder if coach Mac needs union approval too?


  38. Couch potato November 17, 2011 8:58 am

    interesting how a blog topic can be so over analyzed. in the meantime,

    GO NA WAHINE BASKETBALL!

    GO WARRIOR BASKETBALL!

    GO WARRIORS!


  39. jm2375 November 17, 2011 8:58 am

    Good morning Tsaikos!

    All I have to say is –

    GO WARRIORS!

    GO WAHINE!

    So, will it be ST’s J-E-T-S or chawan’s horsies tonight?

    BTW, since next week we will all be gorging on our Thanksgiving feasts, in lieu of the unhealthy Tsaiko bread pudding, I will be bringing a healthy dessert to the t-gate. 😉 😉


  40. Couch potato November 17, 2011 9:01 am

    furthermore, civil union applications will be available beginning next year. 😆


  41. Old School Dave November 17, 2011 9:01 am

    #31 – Garret: Just got back from Austin a few days ago. The folks I talked to (just fans) aren’t happy with UT’s losses to Oklahoma, and particularly to Oklahoma State. Last weekend’s loss to Missouri only added fuel to the fire.

    With the talent, recruiting, resources, facilities (very impressive), I can’t see how a program like that can’t succeed, but the fans there are a different breed.

    Don’t care for the color orange, though.


  42. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 9:01 am

    wah wah, injuries. wah wah, not enough money. wah wah, travel. wah wah, away from hawaii too long. wah wah, wat about my assistants. wah wah, the media is writing bad stuff about me. wah wah, us against the world. wah wah, vegas puts us 2TDs plus dogs. wah wah, every team has byes before us. wah wah, my contract situations is making my recruiting even harder.


  43. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 9:03 am

    fuggin crybaby.


  44. Garret November 17, 2011 9:04 am

    Garret, if the PAC-12 reserves the 1st week in December for its championship game, what will the other 10 teams do during that week? Are their seasons over? Can UH make a deal with the conference that allows, say their 3rd or 4th place team play in Hawaii for their final regular season game?

    papajoe2,

    That is an interesting, out-of-the-box idea. You are correct that the teams who don’t make the conference title games have their regular seasons end. It would be great for UH, but I don’t see the benefit for the Pac-12, Big 12, and SEC.

    Conferences are trying to reserve the final weekend of the season for their title games. Their conference TV deals don’t allow for the conference to get any extra money for some consolation game for the 3rd place team. Travel arrangements would also be very difficult, not just for the team but also for their fans.

    Getting a 3rd place team to fly to Hawaii on short notice would be nearly impossible, could force the school to lose money since UH doesn’t pay much to visitors and last-minute travel costs are high, and couldn’t get any TV money. And UH cannot plat at the 3rd place team’s stadium because they cannot play anymore games that season.


  45. Stretch November 17, 2011 9:04 am

    I am not talking about his contract or salary, JUST his buyout. If he cares about his assistants like he said, he should share his buyout money with them. He is responsible for staff, therefore would be responsible if they are without a job.

    That being said, if the buyout was to happen, we have some good assistant coaches which I think the next head coach would want to keep. We also have some coaches which I think can be cut loose without being missed.


  46. Old School Dave November 17, 2011 9:05 am

    Agree. Coach needs to “man up” and not be such a whiner. That display with the press after the NMSU win was pathetic and uninspiring IMHO.


  47. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 9:08 am

    believe in yourself and your team. who gives flying fugg wat others think. their opinion dont matter.


  48. Garret November 17, 2011 9:10 am

    Old School Dave,

    Some fans are unhappy, but the people who make the decisions sure don’t seem to be. Texas played in the 2010 BCS National Championship game,then lost a great senior class and a bunch of juniors went pro early.

    I lived in Austin for 9 years and know that people there are NEVER happy with losing to Oklahoma or any other school. I was there during movements to replace 2 head coaches (Akers and McWillians). But Mack Brown built up a lot of good will with all of those 10-win seasons, with his national title, with making the national title game 2 seasons ago, and with no NCAA violations or APR penalties. The money keeps rolling in and 100,000+ people pay for tickets to each game…while that happens Mack Brown isn’t getting fired.


  49. Kevin November 17, 2011 9:10 am

    Guarantee once… shame on you.

    Guarantee twice… (to believe you) SHAME ON ME.

    Guarantee thrice… idiot. (you… NOT me.)


  50. Couch potato November 17, 2011 9:12 am

    maybe the ASPCA could hire coach mack and do a save the animals commercial with a sad song playing or letsgowarriors playing air violin in the background. 😆


  51. NaKoaMike November 17, 2011 9:13 am

    Meet Matt Sakakida who is possibly Na Koa’s youngest member.

    http://www.nakoa.org/2011/11/na-koa-member-spotlight-matt-sakakida/


  52. madeinhawaii November 17, 2011 9:13 am

    So who’s going to be the ball holder for field goals now that Austin is probably the starting QB?

    Does that give us an option to fake a punt?


  53. Old School Dave November 17, 2011 9:14 am

    Garret: Thanks for the insight on the UT program. I like Coach Akina and he has built a solid reputation as a secondary coach.

    BTW, I guess you’re familiar with the County Line and its BBQ ribs? My sister took me there and I’m still recovering 🙂


  54. Couch potato November 17, 2011 9:14 am

    why wouldn’t it still be austin?


  55. Stretch November 17, 2011 9:18 am

    Granted that the injuries are piling up now, but don’t think that was the issue for the UNLV and SJSU games.


  56. Bowwar November 17, 2011 9:19 am

    MACK’s and any other future HC’s problem as always been the “obligation” to retain some asst. coaches due to loyalties or political connections. (Maybe its part of our culture?) When MACK was selected, he was obligated to retain the Lee brothers, Miano and Lumpkin. Mack has tried to hire “his own” folks by bringing on Aranda, Rolovich, the OL coach, RB coach, Tomey, and Tuioti. Clearly, we shouldn’t “handicap” any HC with such obligations when those assistants are “not performing” in some cases…(hint: I’ve always felt our DB coaching has sucked…)

    I am still VERY supportive of MACK and his staff…I hope they will be able to salvage the season by winning the next three games. However, “stuff happens” in college football and who knows what truly lies ahead.

    As I’ve indicated previously, I wish we had the luxury of “firing” fans, as we have some of the poorest in the nation…They all want “something for nothing” and will only support the team when their winning. Like marriages, you gotta be there for the good times and bad, if you want anything out of the relationship. The “fair-weather” ones always seem to jump on or off the bandwagon whenever the Kona winds arrive. Maybe, if we could “fire” those fans, then they will have some understanding and compassion for what our coaches/players/team go through…

    IMUA Warriors!


  57. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 9:19 am

    agree agree.


  58. Garret November 17, 2011 9:21 am

    Old School Dave,

    I *love* County Line and love Salt Lick as much or possibly even more. The all-you-can-eat selection and quantity is amazing. I recruited for UT (EE graduate schools students) for 3 years and was able to take the students to 5 restaurants with full reimbursement…County Line was always one of them.


  59. Garret November 17, 2011 9:24 am

    So who’s going to be the ball holder for field goals now that Austin is probably the starting QB?

    Does that give us an option to fake a punt?

    I agree with Couch Potato that Austin could just keep the job. Changing holders can disrupt things at this point in the season, and things finally seem to be clicking with the kicking game.

    UH always had the option to fake a punt with Austin holding. No matter how many kicks were blocked and how little confidence the coaches might have had in the kickers (partly because they were injured), UH hasn’t used that option.


  60. Old School Dave November 17, 2011 9:27 am

    Garret: County LIne was great. Saw a couple of tables of very large “good ole boys” just quietly eating their plate of ribs – no talking, just eating. We also went to TEXAS LAND & CATTLE (love that name) which was another 2-3 notches on the belt after dinner. I’d probably died of a heart attack very soon if I were to move there.


  61. Kevin November 17, 2011 9:27 am

    reading comprehension…..


  62. Kevin November 17, 2011 9:30 am

    People can believe in one MAN or a few, some opt to concern themselves with the future of the program and the athletic department as a whole and their concerns are based on compiling results.

    NO INDIVIDUAL IS ABOVE ANY UH PROGRAM.

    But I’ve already stated my opinion on idolization and over-worship over individuals.

    (see overreaction by Penn State fans on Joe Paterno’s dismissal)

    BUT that’s our sports society. Suck at the nipple of ONE coach or player over the team…

    PATHETIC.


  63. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 9:32 am

    I know you guys meant faking field goal tries (and point-after tries), instead of faking a punt, so let me say it nicely now, before someone goes crazy and starts calling names or whatever.


  64. papajoe2 November 17, 2011 9:38 am

    Garret#44, since UH is paying for MWC teams’ travel, maybe we can make reservations and pay for one of the 3rd place teams from LAX and hotel here too, for say 100 people. Reservations could be made a year or more ahead of the game. All the opponent has to do is get to LAX. I’m sure that UH will charge a premium for seats to that game and even get it on tv on a late night spot, (although the MWC tv deal is not good, but could it be redone to include this as a seperate game deal?) Since UH would always be ending the season with a marquee team, I would be banking on a sellout or very close to one. Paying for travel for a marquee team would be better than paying for the last place MWC team to come here financially. It would be like a bowl game without a “bowl game” name, thus making it rewarding for both teams. The 3rd place game would probably be decided before their last game of the season. Tie breakers would be pre determined by their conference, such as victories against the 1st and 2nd place teams, points scored against the 2, least points allowed against the 2, and even a coin toss. Imagine the last regular season week. If team X wins, they will be in the championship game. If they lose, then there are headed for Hawaii. Team Y would also have a chance to go to Hawaii if team X wins and team Y wins by more than 17 points, or if team A upsets team B, etc., etc., etc.. This would make it more exciting for the opponents conferences, with more than 1 team that has a chance to go to Hawaii. I don’t think that Aloha Stadium needs to reserve a whole bunch of tickets for the opponent, since travel for thier fans would be at the last minute. Also, fans from a team that may be headed here may make reservations a head of time to guarantee them a spot at the game and hotels, airfare, etc. If their team doesn’t make it to Hawaii, then what would be wrong with a Hawaii vacation in December?


  65. Garret November 17, 2011 9:41 am

    JC DB JT Turner is taking a recruiting trip to UH and will be at the UH-BYU game. He already scheduled a recruiting visit to Mississippi State the week before he visits UH and has an offer from Arizona also.

    Yet another JC DB that UH is going after. Getting him to visit for the final regular season game is a good sign.

    http://jcfootball.scout.com/a.z?s=87&p=8&c=1&nid=5777258


  66. LizKauai November 17, 2011 9:42 am

    Mahalo, Bowwar… Support for the Warriors on every level.

    Stretch- my example of real difficulties is the condition of the Redskins this year… an example of $$$ being more important than souls…

    Coach Mack, I believe has the BIG PICTURE and has done an amazing balancing job because his eye is fixed on the success of the students under his watch… not just football, but also academics… and most of all… the development of character – which is best demonstrated by response to adversity.

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  67. Couch potato November 17, 2011 9:43 am

    papajoe2, maybe you should be communicating with the AD instead of garret. it’s not like garret can make this happen.


  68. Stretch November 17, 2011 9:47 am

    Liz – That is correct how money shouldn’t be more important than souls. He should share his money with his assistants if he is bought out since he would be responsible for lack of a job.


  69. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 9:47 am

    I’ll say this…

    After living 25+ years of my adult life away from home (so far), and seeing how so many in the military and on the mainland so religiously follow their respective schools and sports teams, I’ve come to almost blindly throw my support behind whomever is leading our various UH athletics teams. Sure, I get frustrated when things don’t go right, but I always hope that everyone would learn from their mistakes and get better as the days, weeks, months, and years go by. Maybe it’s an over-simplified, rosy-glasses kind of way of looking at things. But, until there’s a new skipper at the helm, I have to believe he/she is doing all in their power to teach our kids to succeed and overcome adversity.


  70. Couch potato November 17, 2011 9:50 am

    LizKauai, therein lies the problem with coach mack by some. his character is questioned because of his remarks about ND and his verbal responses to being questioned on his coaching ability. many have stated their patience but some can only take so much excuses until it becomes, enough is enough.


  71. Garret November 17, 2011 9:53 am

    papajoe2,

    1. The third place team won’t be known until the final regular season games are played. You also have a problem with those conferences having 2 divisions, so you have multiple runner-ups and multiple teams that could be in the title game depending on what happens during the last regular season games.

    2. The MWC TV deal will not give a single penny more for any extra game UH schedules. The MWC TV rights holders have not shown a SINGLE bit of flexibility with their deal…they didn’t care if they drove BYU away and that was their #1 money-making team (BYU was shown on the mtn all the time to force Utah TV viewers to get the mtn network).

    3. Paying travel subsidies from LA means that you expect the 3rd place team to play their own way to LA? That school would LOSE money playing in Hawaii. Travel subsidies just covers the travel expense, the school has to pay for per diem, support staff, and the travel expense to get to LA…that doesn’t work at all for the other schools. UH doesn’t pay for hotels as part of the travel subsidy now, adding that and the other expenses could make UH lose money.

    4. Consolation games wouldn’t bring anymore excitement to Pac-12 teams. That is what bowl games are for…and the teams go to bowl games after school is over and they get a whole week at the bowl game site.

    UH would be asking some school to agree to fly to Hawaii, have their students miss several days of classes, make nothing or even lose money, just to benefit UH. We have to look at *both* sides of the deal for a deal to make sense.

    Your suggestion is interesting though so I’m going to try to think of ways that it might work for both teams. If the MWC’s TV deal wasn’t so horrible and ESPN dollars were a possibility, that might work out…but I’ll look at the NCAA rule book and try to come up with something when I have time.

    Got to get back to work now…


  72. uhfan09 November 17, 2011 9:57 am

    Bowwar You sound like the doctor phil of football.


  73. Couch potato November 17, 2011 10:07 am

    pack aloha stadium! start an occupy aloha stadium movement.


  74. Derek November 17, 2011 10:08 am

    What a beautiful day. I’m sure Jim Donovan is doing a lot of soul-searching. Maybe he’s making his X-mas list or huddling with Rockne Freitas or the Punahou Mafia. When it comes down to it, it’s a business and decisions have to be made. Donovan has to make the call. My worry is the recruiting and prospects on the fence. I’m sure Donovan is fully aware of that.


  75. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 17, 2011 10:08 am

    Regarding job security of assistant coaches.

    Always hard to see people with kids and families lose their job, their income etc. Happens across the nation in more than just the coaching profession. Such is the risk.


  76. ai-eee-soos November 17, 2011 10:14 am

    # 75: I agree. Been there, done that.

    I was “furloughed” more than once, while working in the Aerospace Industry in California.


  77. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:28 am

    On one hand I think the level of constant negativity and generalized biotching is important because it illustrates public sentiment. You could be the best coach in the world and be doing a perfect coaching job, but if the public doesn’t see it that way, you have a problem. Obviously, the problem is even bigger when you have made certain mistakes, which Mack obviously has.

    On the other hand reading the constant negativity and generalized biotching is tedious, time wasting and ultimately depressing. NOT because of sympathy for Mack — although I am somewhat sympathetic to his position — but out of concern for the team.

    Tell me if I’m wrong, but you guys who are so hot to have Mack fired are conflicted about the remainder of this season, right? You want UH to keep losing so the heat on Mack intensifies and he is ultimately replaced. You KNOW that if UH wins out, Mack’s back, job saved. And having Mack back is the LAST thing you want, right? So are you cheering against the team or are you just gonna stay home like a “fuggin crybaby” to quote lgw in#43?

    What a pathetic way for Vaughn, Kaniela, Corey, Zach, Richard, Mo, Royce, etc. to go out in their senior seasons.


  78. huh? November 17, 2011 10:29 am

    Don’t some of us realize that respect for the hc is at an all time low these days. I am not talking about the fans and supporters either. I am talking about the ones closest to the program, day in and day out (assistants and student/athletes for example).


  79. tommui November 17, 2011 10:30 am

    GOOD MORNING HAWAII!

    #21 = Wonder if WALTER ever got his rice bowl broken?

    While one has to have rational reasons to make business decisions, a little compassion doesn’t hurt any. Looks as if the “milk of human kindness” has soured a bit.


  80. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 10:31 am

    i still support the team. i just dont support mack as our HC. never cheer against hawaii.


  81. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:33 am

    By the way, lgw, I’ve honestly been shocked at how much you post over here these days in light of all the incredibly offensive comments you’ve made over the years about Tsaikos in general and about ST in particular on the tough guy board. I thought you were too good for us. Oh, well, good for ST.


  82. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:37 am

    Yeah, SURE you support the team. What BETTER way to support the team than to undermine its leadership in the middle of the campaign. You are at the head of the list of “fans” who will be bummed if UH runs the table. Your hatred of Mack FAR exceeds your support for the team. Who are you trying to kid?


  83. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 10:39 am

    my opinion of tsai changed. dunno if he knew id shid talk him before or not, but i apologize either way. unlike mack, he got thick skin and just goes about his business. and watever comments ive made about u in the past still stand, if i ever made any. lol.


  84. Slugger November 17, 2011 10:39 am

    Good morning, gang!

    Walked to practice to watch the last hour.

    GO WARRIORS!!!

    GO WAHINE!!!

    GO BASKETBOWS!!!


  85. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 10:40 am

    ok, watever u say. if that was the case i would have been jumping for joy that we lost to nevada. i was not. i was pissed. i already said that i felt we could have beat them despite the injuries and playing on the road.


  86. d1shima November 17, 2011 10:41 am

    73.Couch potato:

    November 17th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    pack aloha stadium! start an occupy aloha stadium movement.

    At $9 per cup of beer, only the 1% could afford it!


  87. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:41 am

    Re #78

    Oh, yeah, and what inside information do you have? Or is it just rumors and speculation?

    All I care about is that the team puts out MAX effort and tries to win each game. When the TEAM quits, that’s when I’ll quit. I haven’t seen one sign of the TEAM quitting.

    The team’s fans? Dropping like flies.


  88. Kevin November 17, 2011 10:43 am

    letsgowarriors:

    November 17th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    i still support the team. i just dont support mack as our HC. never cheer against hawaii.

    It’s as simple as this. SOME people don’t get it.

    For some one man is the WHOLE program. That is NEVER the case.


  89. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:44 am

    #83

    You should have stopped after your first sentence. The rest of it is just contradicting you contradictions.


  90. d1shima November 17, 2011 10:44 am

    Ate an Fi…not as good as Ten an Chree, but still can! 😈


  91. d1shima November 17, 2011 10:46 am

    GO WARRIORS!

    GO WILDCATS X 2!

    I go for cheer da ones who make da plays and get huhu if da ones telling ’em what fo do tell ’em junk!


  92. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:47 am

    “For some one man is the WHOLE program. That is NEVER the case.”

    You’re right. It’s not about supporting Mack. It’s about supporting the TEAM.

    So where WERE all the “fans” the last couple of games? You think the TEAM wants an empty stadium?

    I guess “for some one man is the WHOLE program.”


  93. Slugger November 17, 2011 10:48 am

    … and in comparison, you have the winning Penn St. program with coaches and assistants who didn’t do s**t to stop the sexual predation of young boys…

    I support our coaches and assistants who do the best they can, are good people and graduate our student-athletes.

    GO WARRIORS!!!


  94. Couch potato November 17, 2011 10:48 am

    d1shima, then all we need is 50,000,000 to join the movement!


  95. d1shima November 17, 2011 10:50 am

    Slugger,

    Way different situation.

    That list gonna go way beyond caoches and assistant coaches. You watch! 👿


  96. palolo November 17, 2011 10:51 am

    There is still lots of support for the University of Hawaii. The fans at the game are the most important ones because they spend money on tickets, food, and drinks at the stadium. But people like me who have been going to UH games since the 1960’s just have a hard time going to the game now. Thank God for PPV. Every UH game is like a Super Bowl party with friends, family and food cheering on the team. You may not see us at the stadium anymore, but we still love Hawaii.


  97. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:51 am

    #91

    “I go for cheer da ones who make da plays and get huhu if da ones telling ’em what fo do tell ’em junk!”

    Now THAT’S a fan! SUPPORT THE TEAM! Get your assess into the stadium.


  98. A-House November 17, 2011 10:55 am

    koakane:

    new Korean historical drama on the life of King Seong, noted as the most influential king of Josen and is credited for creating the written language.

    Starts this Friday with 2nd episode on Saturday – channel 4 @ 7:45 pm each nite – repeats the following day at 12 noon.


  99. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:55 am

    #96

    Of course health considerations always take precedence. I’m not at all criticizing those who have health challenges. I’m not sure my parents will be able to go next season for health reasons. If not, it will end a run that started at the Palace. Aloha isn’t the easiest place to get around for anyone who has a disability.


  100. Kevin November 17, 2011 10:55 am

    What the hell. DON’T spend your money on food or beer at the STADIUM. UH doesn’t get a cut of ANY of that. You have to be starving at least.

    Better off eating and drinking on campus events.


  101. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:55 am

    PROTECT DA AINA!


  102. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:56 am

    Shucks, that was supposed to be #100.

    Oh, well. I’m done. Back to .. uh, something.


  103. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 10:57 am

    hell yeah. protect da aina. fire mack.


  104. You’ve got great insights about zarobok, keep up the good work!


  105. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 10:59 am

    #103

    LOL.


  106. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:00 am

    i support but spoke to a few friends and co-workers and asked why they don’t go to the games. they said, no interest, boring, got better things to do, they junk, no excitement, too expensive, traffic, watch on tv, family.

    even if its the only game in town there is a sense of apathy i detect from those that i talked to. seems like it even happens with the students. can’t even fill the student section even with all the freebies given to them. if uh can’t even get its own students to support then i don’t know. pretty pathetic.


  107. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:03 am

    koreans created the written language? no ways!


  108. Kevin November 17, 2011 11:04 am

    For those of us that have attended the games this season, it will be irresponsible not to point out that the student section WAS at decent capacity PRIOR to the past USU game.

    While not MAX capacity, it was filled MORE than previous seasons. With the student section three sections away from my seasons seats in the north end zone, these things I notice whether people believe it or not.

    So with various rumors going around about why there were almost no students not allowed due to big fight near their section, which is STUPID because that big brawl did NOT INVOLVE STUDENTS…. who knows…


  109. 4UH November 17, 2011 11:04 am

    @ LizKauai: I love your perspective! Thank you for seeing the Truth of Life and the big picture! You are a much appreciated, TRUE Warrior fan!


  110. Kevin November 17, 2011 11:07 am

    Pacman’s appearance at UH football this Saturday cancelled…

    SO… can they cancel that FAUX decree of “Manny Pacquiao Day” as well. Dude has NOTHING to do with:

    -HAWAII

    or

    -UH ATHLETICS

    And the GIMMICK of drawing people to the stadium is now dead.


  111. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:14 am

    Kevin, decent capacity or not, the students section should be filled to capacity and overflowing to the surrounding sections. they must have plenty classwork to do over the weekend.

    what? pacquiao’s appearance has been ko’d? ahhhh, lose money. aisoos!


  112. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 11:15 am

    I think A-House meant that hangul, the written alphabet of the Korean language, was created by scholars under King Sejong.


  113. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 11:16 am

    Anyways, A-House… what’s the name of that show? Gotta look that one up. Don’t know what our broadcast schedule is like out here.


  114. Kevin November 17, 2011 11:16 am

    Couch Potato,

    I for one can vouch that some student-athletes were not present to focus on their exams the following week. The rest I have no idea.

    And YES, according to Kanoa Leahey’s tweet, Pacman’s appearance is out the window.

    I believe UH requires a mandatory drug test, which would explain his cancellation….


  115. J-FORCE November 17, 2011 11:18 am

    Just gotta take care of fresno. Come on coach, comeback strong.

    BELIEVE!!!GO WARRIORS!!!


  116. jeezy33 November 17, 2011 11:20 am

    Warrior Mojo, I don’t get what you’re trying to say. If a coach is doing a perfect job, the public wouldn’t be negative. FACT!

    In what world is Mack doing close to a perfect job?

    1. He talks about how he is known for recruiting. If we are getting the top recruits in the WAC every year, then our coaches aren’t developing these players because we certainly aren’t at the top of the WAC standings.

    2. Our coaching staff has succeeded at failing to make adjustments every single week. Where we fix 1 area, a new hole arises in another.

    3. Coaches don’t turn over the football but damn it seems like nothing is being done to correct our fumbling miscues.

    4. We play the WORST schedule in D1 football and we are a 500 ball club. Explain that without making injury excuses. We were losing before the injuries.


  117. whitey November 17, 2011 11:20 am

    i believe that a lot of outer island fans would love to attend da warrior home games, but for them to go, the cost is more than going to oakland or san jose. the air is $200+ per person, hotel between $150-200 per night, car rental, food and entertainment. for the tsaikos, we have tsaikos who are willing to give us a ride, so save on car rental, get some supa tsaikos who give away game tickets, and then the supa nice ones who work at a hotel and are able to get us a discounted rate. So being a tsaiko has it’s benefits, but for others it can be very expensive just to come to one game. i don’t have any excuses for not going to any home games, but i do watch da warriors on ppv.


  118. jeezy33 November 17, 2011 11:20 am

    Any one that understands the importance of having a COMPETENT head coach knows Mack needs to go. The guy is just too old already and can’t even remember names at this point.


  119. SteveM November 17, 2011 11:21 am

    Good morning everyone!

    ‘Tis the season for doctor appointments and fasting phlebotomist visits.

    I’m hungry.

    Anything new going on in UH Warrior football?


  120. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:21 am

    Wes’side Warrior, ok, that makes more sense.

    Kevin, he probably get high levels of protein in his blood from eating the dinaguan.


  121. jeezy33 November 17, 2011 11:23 am

    As far as attendance goes, stop pointing fingers at fans because the students aren’t even showing up. That’s a problem.

    I go to all the games


  122. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:26 am

    jeezy33, that’s what i’ve been hinting at. wea da students?

    i don’t know what is being done on campus to want to make students attend the games. but whatever it is it’s not working.


  123. whitey November 17, 2011 11:27 am

    no prediction for the rest of da warriors games, but my best to the team and hope you win em all. that being said, the word is “team”. this means all the coaches and players are on the same page and working as one. no breakdowns in the game, but one that goes exactly like it was drawn up. do that, then you get chance.


  124. Da Punchbowl Kid November 17, 2011 11:29 am

    Like your posts, Mojo.


  125. Slugger November 17, 2011 11:31 am

    A-House,

    I saw your finished rock garden. NICE!


  126. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:32 am

    maybe offer students free face painting and temporary air-brushed tattoos?

    get 15% added to a selected test score just by showing your ticket stub to your professor.

    5 free itunes download just by entering and sitting in the student section for around 3.5 hours.

    1 free side order at any on campus cafeteria.

    chance to win a private show by the female rainbow dancers or male rainbow dancers.


  127. whitey November 17, 2011 11:33 am

    it would have been great to have the champion at the game and it could have started something good for na koa. just imagine the champion enjoying himself at the game, the fans show him super hawaiian hospitality, and da warriors win. uh could be his favorite and he would become a member of na koa. WOW!!! i did say imagine.


  128. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:36 am

    whitey, i find it odd you say “team” yet you blast moniz.


  129. A-joe November 17, 2011 11:36 am

    Jeezy33

    I’d like to to hear your specific solution to a new HC. Who do you suggest it be. Why.


  130. whitey November 17, 2011 11:39 am

    there are not many champions like manny pacquiao in the world who cares about the lives of the common people. don’t know how much he gives away to the filipino communities, but he does give away millions and this last fight is no exception. he has his reason for not being at the game and i respect that. also, he is giving ample time for his cancellation and not waiting till the last minute or be a no show. congratulations champ manny p.


  131. whitey November 17, 2011 11:41 am

    couch, were you satisfied with all the losses this season??? that anwer your question.


  132. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:42 am

    A-joe, not speaking for jeezy33 or anyone for that matter, just going by what is posted. i don’t think there are specific coaches in mind. they just want change.

    like this past election, we want change, now we get abercrombie and fitch, and look now, we want change!

    just saying we don’t know what the future holds but change gives hope.


  133. A-House November 17, 2011 11:42 am

    #107:

    my post was for koakane only!

    keep your nose out!!


  134. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:43 am

    whitey, not satisfied but i don’t blast the players.


  135. Couch potato November 17, 2011 11:43 am

    touchy touchy.


  136. whitey November 17, 2011 11:48 am

    couch, so what else is new????


  137. Bowwar November 17, 2011 11:48 am

    #77 Yeah Mojo…I agree thoroughly…Enough of those crybabies staying home and bitching…You want to support the team, then warm up some seats.


  138. Bowwar November 17, 2011 11:56 am

    Eh Potato…Want change again…Go ahead and hire another Von Appen…


  139. postmanke November 17, 2011 12:08 pm

    speaking of impacting the future of Warrior football – We good w/ Jim Donovan not leaving the program anytime soon? I’m sure Carl Clapp is more than capable but that is one guy I would hate to see leave. – just wondering.. After this season, he has 1 more football season left on his contract?


  140. wowlaulau November 17, 2011 12:12 pm

    People are not all the same, whiners do what they do …. Everyone knows a whiner, friends co-workers, etc . They are usually avoided because who wants to hear the same rant over and over.

    They could be called immature but in my opinion it goes beyond that.

    In most cases they have a limited life, they have never played an organized sport beyond their couch, has no idea what teamwork is and gets their personal worth via the team they support etc.

    A negative comment with a logical process behind it is not whining. What message boards/blogs have done is give these people a forum to voice their opinion, in the past it was usually only family and friends that had to deal with their rants. Ahhhh, progress….


  141. slenzi November 17, 2011 12:18 pm

    TS – Thanks! Great write up!


  142. LizKauai November 17, 2011 12:28 pm

    Re apathy and attendance…

    So many changes going on in the world… perhaps because the way we have been doing things is not addressing the needs of the age in which we live.

    It’s hard not to draw parallels between our society and the Roman Empire just before it’s collapse. What we call sport has become an entertainment for the masses and the inevitable “I’m bored and moving on” syndrome is in play…

    I’m a fan today because:

    1. Warrior football led me to a group of diverse and generously kind people to whom love and support for the team took precedence over the artificial barriers (like race, economic status, religion, political preference, etc.) that have traditionally divided people.

    2. I love encouraging young people who strive to achieve their dreams through excellence (not only football…) and hard work.

    3. I have met some of the players and coaches and their families and consider them friends and ohana.

    If extreme individual egotism, backbiting and disunity becomes the hallmark of this blog, or the Tsai-ko gatherings in general, I may not feel welcome and comfortable here.

    If football as a game destroys more lives through injury, escalating violence, dehumanization, extreme egotism and greed, I will probably find something else to cheer for.

    And then there is just plain old age… This year I’ll make the hike up to YELL-ow. Dunno about next year.

    GO WARRIORS!


  143. Warrior fan in SD November 17, 2011 12:30 pm

    As a relatively young UH fan and Alumni (Class of 2007) I had the tremendous experience of being a student during the Jones/Brennan era. I realize college football is cyclical and achieving those levels of success are rare, but I feel UH needs to step up and make some tough decisions before we become the next New Mexico ( 1-9) of the MWC. I realize the MWC is likely to be more like the WAC+ next year, but here are my thoughts.

    1. Graves needs to start. Starting Austin for 3 games does nothing for this program and would be completely short sided by the coaching staff. If Graves a 3 years sophomore is not ready to start then that should be a red flag about the succession planning at QB. Throw in Spain, Shutter, Graves try anything. I’d rather those guys get some experience for next year than limp through this season. I know Austin deserves a start, but so does every other backup in D1.

    2. Coach Mack needs to go. I fully appreciate that he gave us some winning seasons and was the perfect transitional candidate to help stabilize the program after Jones left, but a slightly above 500 coach in the WAC does not translate well to the MWC.

    3. I am very high on Rolo and would love to see him stick around and maybe one day take over the HC job, but if now is not the right time lets take a risk and higher an up and coming coach. Chris Petersen, Dan Hawkins, Houston Nutt were all young assistants before they became the HC at BSU why can’t Hawaii take a chance on a young coach? I’d rather be mediocre with a potential up and coming regime than limp along with the current regime. (I’d also like to see Mike Leach be considered for the Hawaii job)

    Just my thoughts.


  144. Derek November 17, 2011 12:33 pm

    I’m with jeezy33. You cannot underestimate the importance of a good head coach. I.e. Jim Harbaugh, Sarkisian, Meyer, both Kellys, Peterson, Patterson, Mendenhall, etc. 0ne person at the top can make all the difference in the world. I think we need to get a “holy grail” coach. That’s Donovan’s job. It ain’t easy, but I would look for a younger coach who is an innovator and a good recruiter. These guys are hard to find, plus they have to love Hawaii.

    I’ve been a season ticket holder since Dave Holmes was coach. I stopped under VonAppen, but I still get PPV because I can watch the game in the comfort of my home with feiends


  145. Couch potato November 17, 2011 12:35 pm

    bowwar, that’s what i meant. you never know what change will bring and you’ll never know what the future holds if there is no change. jj was a change, von appen was a change. some work out some don’t.

    btw, I wasn’t the one asking for change, only mentioning that others want change.


  146. Couch potato November 17, 2011 12:37 pm

    whitey, nothing else new, same-o same-o. just gotta ride out the season and see what happens after that.


  147. SteveM November 17, 2011 12:40 pm

    Hey, I just saw the solution to Bowwar’s #138… got an email from a friend in Montana who passed on the message from a Langley contact monitoring sports in Europe…who knows someone monitoring countries below the equator (classified).

    He identifies a football coach who is guaranteed to lead UH to the MWC championship 3 years in a row and a trip to the big dance. Is willing to sign a 3 year contract for $325,000 a year with incentives and a weapons stipend. He can be contacted through his agent in Geneva.

    On the other hand, I am realistically satisfied with the “bird in hand”. Could be sparse pickings in the bush and any new coach is going to look like Von Appen in the W-L column…and it may be years to prove he is not.


  148. Couch potato November 17, 2011 12:43 pm

    Warrior fan in SD, if starting Austin for the next 3 games gives the WARRIORS the best chance in winning 2 of 3 then that does do something for the program.

    don’t cut short the season in hopes of making 2012 better. still get chance!


  149. Warrior fan in SD November 17, 2011 12:50 pm

    Couch Potato you are right. And I have not given up on the season. By the way espn 3 is the best thing ever for us mainland fans. I just think this roster is deep and the future is bright ( no pun intended I “Have” given up on Darius Bright)


  150. Couch potato November 17, 2011 12:55 pm

    Warrior fan in SD, live streams are good too. lol

    but heh, you never know you could be right and Graves starts because he gives us the best chance of winning 2 of 3. no matter what,

    GO WARRIORS!


  151. Bowwar November 17, 2011 12:56 pm

    Steve M: Don’t get me wrong, I have my “minor issues” with Mack and his staff, afterall, we are all “Monday morning quarterbacks” and see things through our own perspective. However, I haven’t been convinced to “abandon” our team or its coaches as I have previously done with Wagner and Von Appen. I believe the players like playing for MACK (I don’t know of any books being written…lol) and don’t see any “quit” on the playing field. In fact, I think this may be one of BEST UH teams in regards to “effort” and “heart.”

    Let’s give them the support for the next 3 games and see where the cards fall…Being negative and contrite as others have been on this blog isn’t condusive to improving things and actually, deter potential Warriors from joining the ohana…

    IMUA Warriors!


  152. tommui November 17, 2011 12:56 pm

    #147 STEVEM – is that the guy in Nigeria?


  153. Bowwar November 17, 2011 1:12 pm

    MONEY, MONEY, MONEY…People still gripe about what Mack is being paid, but the truth is that it was the “going rate” for retaining our former coach except our AD and Administration blew-it. Secondly, WE ALL wanted “continuity” under the circumstances and was willing to pay for it. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo…We got exactly what we paid for…

    Given the economic times, Mack has agreed to a pay cut along with other UH administration, so he isn’t getting paid the $1.15 million. Mack and his advisors offered to take a pay drop to $850K over three years with hopes that assistants would be paid better. The UH has decided to hold-off till the end of the season to make a decision on Mack’s future…

    IMHO, I agree with ST in that UH needs to make a decision “one way or another”. If they are not willing to support MACK, then buy him out and move on. Dragging this issue out is counterproductive and is the same thing that got us into this mess to begin with. Had we moved forthright with Jones on his contract, would we be in this situation???

    On other thing…People keep harping about being “big time”…That’s a laugh…If you want to be big time, you need “big-time” fans…Sorry to say, we don’t have many of those types except for the 20,000 season ticket-holders attend the games and support the team. Believe me, unless people want to open your pocketbooks, support our team and start attending games, then “we are what we are”…

    Funny, we are the ONLY “game” in town, yet we can’t support our home team properly…So, enough about the “big-time” stuff and lets at least be good “small-time” fans…

    IMUA Warriors!


  154. recruiter training programs November 17, 2011 1:12 pm

    i appreciate your efforts to make people well rounded! great post! thanks


  155. LizKauai November 17, 2011 1:12 pm

    fan/fan/

    Noun:

    1. An apparatus with rotating blades that creates a current of air …

    2. A person who has a strong interest in or admiration for a particular sport…

    We do have both kinds here..


  156. Ed November 17, 2011 1:14 pm

    As a former player, it would be only right to give Austin a shot. He has been with the program for 4 years and has paid his dues. Now, with that being said, if his play doesn’t give the warriors the best chance of winning. Then, graves or for that matter shutter should be given an opportunity.


  157. Bowwar November 17, 2011 1:15 pm

    #152: Yep, another Nigerian scam…Send them your credit card information quickly…lol


  158. Bowwar November 17, 2011 1:16 pm

    LizKauai…Love that definition…Yep, alot of hot air as well…


  159. Couch potato November 17, 2011 1:19 pm

    jd already said he will wait till the end of the season to make a decision.

    some japanese/chinese fans no mo rotating blades. 😆 but can be dangerous kung fu weapons.


  160. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 1:29 pm

    A couple of years ago, the Meijer chain in the midwest started carrying bladeless fans. I think they were made by Dyson. Pretty interesting, and it moves air very well. However, the price was too high to justify us getting one… just to push some air around.


  161. ai-eee-soos November 17, 2011 1:37 pm

    adding fuel to the fire, by the Star-Advertiser staff (breaking news):

    McMackin highest-paid coach in Western Athletic Conference

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/134077378.html?id=134077378


  162. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 1:42 pm

    lol damn, mack is gonna have a fit w that.


  163. madeinhawaii November 17, 2011 1:50 pm

    Why would you want to compare your coach to the bottom of the pile? Why not compare his salary to the top of the heap and figure out how much more you need to invest to get what you really want? eh? Aigoooo….


  164. Couch potato November 17, 2011 1:51 pm

    nah, it was already mentioned he is the highest paid in the wac and he knows it.


  165. d1shima November 17, 2011 1:52 pm

    Is everyone paying attention?

    Former UH coach June Jones receives $1,727,082 at Southern Methodist while Navy’s Ken Niumatalolo, a former UH quarterback and assistant coach, earns $1,538,190.

    http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/134077378.html?id=134077378


  166. LizKauai November 17, 2011 1:52 pm

    #162 – No he won’t.

    It’s unfortunate that so many are doing so much to try to distract everyone from the work at hand. Coach Mack is focused on helping the Warriors fulfill their objectives.

    WIN, GO TO A BOWL GAME and GRADUATE.

    GO WARRIORS!


  167. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 1:53 pm

    yeah, but for it come out again publicly in the newspapers at this point in the season, hes gonna feel like the media is tryna turn more fans against him.


  168. Couch potato November 17, 2011 1:54 pm

    i would think if you are going to compare salaries then you’d have to compare it with other non-aq teams.


  169. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 1:55 pm

    After today’s practice, I was all but certain it was going to be Graves.

    Then while interviewing him, he had a mini gag, and I thought he was going to hurl on me.

    And thus, I now believe it will be a game-time decision.


  170. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 1:56 pm

    is like half the team sick right now or something?


  171. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 2:01 pm

    I don’t blame McMackin or Arnold for earning what they earn.

    Negotiations are a two-way thing. The administration could have paid any amount.

    That said, if money is always going to be an issue, if it were me, I would set up a worthy-student scholarship fund. It seems most arguments are money-rooted, so, if it were me, I would donate money so it doesn’t become an issue (or distraction). Of course, that’s fine in theory, and I’m sure the wife would have other thoughts and I have no idea what his personal financial situation is.

    The other strategy is to win out.


  172. d1shima November 17, 2011 2:01 pm

    Hazardous duty pay?


  173. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 2:04 pm

    letsgo:

    There’s a bad virus going around.

    It’s not just the high-fever type, but the projectile type.

    I didn’t catch it, and I handled chips and I’m a nail-biter, so I’ve rule out this being casino related.


  174. A-joe November 17, 2011 2:08 pm

    144: Derek-

    Awesome! Keep going. Be more specific.

    What is your definition of a “Holy Grail” coach? How much will it cost to retain such a coach? Where would the money come from? How do we prevent such a coach from running off to greener pastures?

    From your perspective, how young is young? Prior HC experience required? Or assistant good enough?

    What is your criteria of being, “innovative?” It’s kind of a broad ambiguous label at the moment. I’d like to hear your definition.

    How would you gauge someone as being a good recruiter?

    Define, liking or love for Hawaii? How is one judged by this beyond merely saying they love Hawaii? Would they need ties to the islands? Have prior experience demonstrating they’re culturally sensitive? Perhaps recruited and coached local kids with great success?

    Do you have a current list of young, innovative, good recruiting, Holy Grail candidates? Perhaps you could beak each one down and demonstrate how each would fit your criteria and would be a better alternative than Mack.

    You’re onto something here. Just want you to elaborate more.


  175. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 2:09 pm

    By the way, today’s post was just to point out that sweeping changes would impact some people more than others.

    I’m not endorsing any side. And I certainly can’t relate at all to people who earn the sort of money they earn. Hey, I drive a car with !40,000 miles on it that makes a weird sound everytime I go over 40 mph.

    But there are some people on the staff — Rolovich, Smith, Tuioti, Aranda — who are more sympathetic than others in this current situation. Don’t want people to forget them during this debate.


  176. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 2:14 pm

    There you guys go again… comparing coach salaries without taking cost of living adjustments into consideration. One mil here is not equal to one mil everywhere else. Period.


  177. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 2:19 pm

    no one really compared salaries. star advertiser just posted an article w the salaries of coaches Hawaii ppl are familiar w based on a study of all FBS coaches done by USAToday. mack will take it as the media is out to get him, but in reality, they are jsut relaying a national article.


  178. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 2:21 pm

    Weird sound over 40 mph? Could it be alignment or wheel balance? Or maybe even a bad rim or “out-of-round” tire? Or maybe wheel bearings or messed up rotors? Oh wait, where’s the noise coming from?

    This is comparing salaries, since we all know how much Coach Mack gets paid:

    Former UH coach June Jones receives $1,727,082 at Southern Methodist while Navy’s Ken Niumatalolo, a former UH quarterback and assistant coach, earns $1,538,190.


  179. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 2:22 pm

    This all reminds me of when the Cardinals decided not to renegotiate with Rod Tidwell. Basically, Tidwell decided he was going to build his case on the field.

    There are three regular-season games remaining. Do well, everybody is happy (or, at least, not so angry).

    At least, they have a chance to control their desitiny. Not everyone has that opportunity.


  180. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 2:22 pm

    well blame the star advertiser staff then. they are the ones the plucked the numbers for the study.


  181. letsgowarriors November 17, 2011 2:22 pm

    from* the study.


  182. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 2:24 pm

    I think Niumatalolo also gets a house. Not sure if that’s factored in the money package. (I don’t read USA Today because it’s owned by Gannett.)


  183. d1shima November 17, 2011 2:28 pm

    You could try taking the “Warrior flag” off the window…that might eliminate the weird sound over 40 mph! 😆


  184. d1shima November 17, 2011 2:30 pm

    Rod Tidwell?

    Anyone on the Hawaii staff “air dries”? 😈


  185. Stretch November 17, 2011 2:33 pm

    This is a revised list of the coaches salaries – apples to apples. These are adjusted to equivalent “Hawaii” salaries.

    Hawaii Greg McMackin $1,115,004

    Fresno State Pat Hill $958,588

    Louisiana Tech Sonny Dykes $801,037

    Nevada Chris Ault $719,707

    Idaho Robb Akey $634,425

    New Mexico State DeWayne Walker $617,910

    Utah State Gary Andersen $583,386

    San Jose State Mike MacIntyre $437,162


  186. haka November 17, 2011 2:40 pm

    silence the cries of adversity…

    face it!

    embrace it!

    conquer it!

    through the thrill of victory

    and the agony of defeat

    with open arms

    my team i greet

    Go Warriors!

    Go Hawaii!

    Go UH!


  187. kev-1 November 17, 2011 2:43 pm

    #176 . . . I’ll buy that argument if you’re talking about minimum wage, but not when someone is earning over $1 million.


  188. bigislandkurt November 17, 2011 2:44 pm

    True story. The life of a college assistant football coach can change as quick as the weather. I had a buddy of mine who coached at a Big 10 school. When the head coach got fired, he pretty much went from making upwards of 200k per year to ZERO. He was not picked up by another school and the real life strain of maintaining a mortgage, a wife and three kids is beginning to take a toll on him. He so needs to be back in football.

    In all due honesty, if we do see a new head coach, he’d need not think too hard about retaining Coach Tuioti.

    BIK


  189. kev-1 November 17, 2011 2:44 pm

    #173 . . . ohhhh bachi! watch out, you could be next.


  190. kev-1 November 17, 2011 2:45 pm

    I agree with ST. You can’t blame Mack for his salary. Blame the people who gave it to him.


  191. cocobean November 17, 2011 2:50 pm

    I want Mack to get his extension, though in my heart I don’t feel he has enough left in him to move the program forward.

    To my way of thinking an extension represents stability in reruiting and a smother transition to a new regime. If he is bought out we’ll be in a state of chaos until a new HC is named. We’ll probably lose a few unhappy players not to mention the recruiting picture.

    For those that want a buyout, what would be an acceptable 1st year record, 2nd year and 3rd year for a new HC. If the new HC “only” wins between 6-10 games a year is that good enough?


  192. Couch potato November 17, 2011 2:50 pm

    but then again who would be bashing the salary if the Warriors were undefeated?


  193. Couch potato November 17, 2011 2:53 pm

    where is that happy medium of won/loss record and salary? maybe the happy medium is going to a bowl game and winning the bowl game.


  194. A-joe November 17, 2011 2:54 pm

    OK. Herman Frazier is about to earn is paycheck.

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/assistant_syracuse_university.html


  195. LizKauai November 17, 2011 2:54 pm

    192- exactly…


  196. kalani November 17, 2011 2:54 pm

    Hawaii Greg McMackin $1,115,004

    Fresno State Pat Hill $958,588

    Louisiana Tech Sonny Dykes $801,037

    Nevada Chris Ault $719,707

    Idaho Robb Akey $634,425

    New Mexico State DeWayne Walker $617,910

    Utah State Gary Andersen $583,386

    San Jose State Mike MacIntyre $437,162

    As our next HC, I’ll take Gary Andersen for $650,000 Alex.


  197. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 2:55 pm

    #185… Stretch… That’s fine. Now how much is deducted for taxes in both locations? (Hawaii vs. elsewhere) Just wondering…

    And, what happened to that voluntary pay reduction over the last couple of years? Did it end around summer, or is it still in effect?


  198. Stretch November 17, 2011 2:55 pm

    CP – probably nobody would care what he got paid IF he was undefeated. Unfortunately, that is NOT the situation.


  199. Stretch November 17, 2011 3:00 pm

    making it to the bowl game is one thing. being prepared and WINNING the game on national tv is another. In 2 attempts, we are 0-2, being outscored 111-56.


  200. al November 17, 2011 3:01 pm

    200


  201. Couch potato November 17, 2011 3:01 pm

    Stretch, i know, just throwing it out there since many posts are about hypothetical situations anyway.


  202. Couch potato November 17, 2011 3:03 pm

    Stretch, i’d be happy with going to a bowl game and winning it.


  203. haka November 17, 2011 3:06 pm

    During the 2004 season, after negotiating a contract with a $800,016 annual salary making him the highest-paid public employee in the state, June Jones faced discontent from fans, faculty, and news reporters about his struggling team. The team finished with a 7–5 regular season record and an invitation to the Hawaiʻi Bowl. Hawaiʻi went on to beat UAB 59-40.


  204. kev-1 November 17, 2011 3:07 pm

    You cannot argue against the fact that teams coached by coaches earning half of what our coach makes have wins over us. Is that the deciding factor? No. But shoots, it sure makes you feel bad when you look at it that way. Especially considering where the team was when that kind of money was granted and what it was supposed to mean to the program.

    People always counter with the argument “look what Mack was left with” or “players left for the NFL” or whatever. The reality of the situation is this: a +$1 million salary was supposed to lure a coach that could keep the momentum going and take this program to the next level. If you don’t think Mack or at least his agent were arguing that he could do it and that the salary was justified, you are plain naive. Has it happened? No. Should he maintain that salary? No. Should he be fired? Not really. Should he be bought out? No.


  205. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 17, 2011 3:08 pm

    Interesting hire for New Mexico as Bob Davie was introduced as their new head coach.

    Also chirps that Urban Meyer will be the next OSU coach.

    Hope we have a short list.


  206. Couch potato November 17, 2011 3:14 pm

    haka, i was happy in 2004, sad in 2005, happy again in 2006.


  207. haka November 17, 2011 3:20 pm

    ha!, couch potato, such is da life and times of being a fan. win some. lose some. glad you stopped @ 2006.


  208. Couch potato November 17, 2011 3:24 pm

    lol, 2007 was a different feeling. been kinda sad ever since but heh, i’m still supporting!


  209. Old Diver November 17, 2011 3:32 pm

    Home prices in Hawaii $1,115,004

    Home prices in Fresno $958,588

    Home prices in Louisiana $801,037

    Home prices in Nevada $719,707

    Home prices in Idaho $634,425

    Home prices in New Mexico $617,910

    Home prices in Utah $583,386

    Home prices in San Jose $437,162

    Looks like only San Jose is out of whack.


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  211. Hillmok November 17, 2011 3:42 pm

    Bob Davie going to New Mexico? That’s a huge surprise. I think he would have loved the Hawaii job a lot more since he’s called a few games here probably fell in love with the weather. Who ever coaches this team needs to be one hell of a recruter.


  212. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 3:43 pm

    People wanted to fire JJ in 2005, even though Colt Brennan led the nation in TD passes.

    That year, people wanted Reagan Mauia kicked off the team following the Michigan State game.

    I remember how empty the stadium was in the first half of 2006. Colt said that he never got any national interview requests until after the Utah State game in 2006.

    After UH lost to Oregon State, folks were really down on Colt. Then UH beat Arizona State in the Hawaii Bowl, Colt announced he would return for his senior year, and all of a sudden you’ve got travel agents serving as Colt’s personal protector.

    Enjoy the moments.


  213. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 3:44 pm

    Wasn’t Bob Davie one of the TV guys bashing UH in 2007?


  214. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 17, 2011 3:46 pm

    #213,

    I thought that was Kirk Herbstreit.


  215. haka November 17, 2011 3:48 pm

    #208 Couch potato

    You are not alone. Hawaii fans have still not recovered from it. It was a hard lesson that presents itself again in a different way. Be careful what you wish for. Everyone talked about getting to the Sugar Bowl, but they forgot about the sweet detail of winning. If you wish for something, wish it to precision.


  216. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 3:49 pm

    It was Bob Davie, too.

    And Craig James.

    And Colin Cowherd …


  217. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 3:51 pm

    I always tell people, take those Sugar Bowl T-shirts, store them for about 10 years, and bring them out as nostalgia pieces.

    It takes a lot of special circumstances for a non-AQ school in the middle of the Pacific Ocean to go to a BCS bowl.


  218. iwonderwhytheyhateme November 17, 2011 3:54 pm

    Oh yeah, I forgot about James and Cowherd. I dislike Cowherd.

    And yea, it’s these kinds of times that I feel fortunate to have gone Sugar Bowling in 2007.

    At this rate, it’s not something we can realistic set our eyes on for a long time.

    Some famous tsaiko said “make memories…” da buggah has a point.


  219. RedZone November 17, 2011 3:58 pm

    With those three what do you expect?


  220. Kevin November 17, 2011 4:04 pm

    Memories are nice.

    I have newspaper clippings framed, my #15 replica jersey I wore all season long hanging next to my signed Brennan helmet. I kept all those things.

    I don’t weep over them.

    I don’t re-watch OLD games for fun AFTER that particular season has passed.

    Memories are nice and should be kept.

    But memories serve NO purpose TODAY or TOMORROW.

    Respect and give thanks to the past, live for today, plan for tomorrow.


  221. Stephen Tsai November 17, 2011 4:12 pm

    I like Cowherd, but he’s a giant lover — the Yankees, the Patriots, the SEC.


  222. Wes'side Warrior November 17, 2011 4:22 pm

    Still, though, getting an “inside” guy like Bob Davie to coach at least gives that school a positive boost in mainstream’s eyes. For sure, they will all be paying attention to how New Mexico does in the next couple of years… more than the attention given to a lesser name at another mid-major school. That’s gotta count for some brownie points.


  223. ai-eee-soos November 17, 2011 4:37 pm

    way off-topic; but REALLY good news.

    Boeing gets huge orders.

    ” … Reuters says the Lion Air deal – valued at $21.7 billion at list prices – comes as Obama “wraps up his Asia-Pacific tour. … Obama will attend a signing ceremony on Friday for the order for 230 aircraft on the sidelines of an East Asia Summit he is attending on the Indonesian island of Bali. …”

    http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/11/boeing-biggest-ever-order/567447/1


  224. jm2375 November 17, 2011 4:38 pm

    The bad news (for ST) is that the Jets not looking too good tonight. The good news is neither are the Broncos.


  225. LizKauai (iPhone) November 17, 2011 4:39 pm

    Aigoo. The hurling flu is running through the ranks. Please say an extra prayer for our boys.

    Don’t wanna let them risk dehydration if they try to play sick.

    God Bless!


  226. LizKauai (iPhone) November 17, 2011 4:49 pm

    IMHO, Coach Mack saved us when JJ left. He could easily have left for Texas too. UH was a day late and a dollar short to save it’s relationship with JJ and made up by buying soap for the locker rooms and giving the HC a decent salary and a bigger recruiting budget.

    Now for some fans and folks, the honeymoon seems to be over.

    For others, the Warriors are settling into a sustainable system- a balanced run and shoot offense that can be attractive to a wider number of students.

    GO WARRIORS!


  227. jeezy33 November 17, 2011 4:54 pm

    Duana Akina would be a nice candidate


  228. jeezy33 November 17, 2011 4:54 pm

    maybe even Adrien Klemm. Guy can recruit


  229. wafan November 17, 2011 4:54 pm

    Does not matter who the head coach is — just win!

    Go Warriors!!!


  230. jeezy33 November 17, 2011 5:02 pm

    226. What in the world did he save us from?????


  231. Redondowarrior November 17, 2011 5:05 pm

    I’ve been a UH fan a long time, started going to games as a kid at the termite palace, then as a student and after graduation at Aloha. The thing is, if you’re willing to pay for a head coach then get the best you can get. I am sure Mack is a great guy, just not the great coach that we need to move the program forward, with emphasis on forward… I believe that we can be a top 25 program with the right leader. There are alot of candidates out there that we should contact, not just wait for them to apply for a job. Mike Leach, Garrick McGee of Arkansas ,Jason Phillips of Houston, Philip Montgomery, Brian Norwood (Alum), Randy Clements of Baylor. These guys are pass offense guys, they will be able to work with players we already have. Was and always will be a fanatic…


  232. Pomai November 17, 2011 5:13 pm

    #220 – Kevin:

    But memories serve NO purpose TODAY or TOMORROW.</blockquote

    Gotta disagree with you there…………


  233. Pomai November 17, 2011 5:15 pm

    #226 – I don’t know about that, had we eaten the first two years with a new young coach we might be better off today.


  234. ai-eee-soos November 17, 2011 5:19 pm

    DISAGREE – will discuss, if the time comes.

    #227. ( Duana Akina would be a nice candidate. )


  235. Ralph November 17, 2011 5:22 pm

    Coach Dana’s recruit: Shanana Ziegler’s ESPN rating

    http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/player/news/_/id/143975/shahana-zeigler


  236. Ralph November 17, 2011 5:28 pm

    I hope Coach Dana’s second Kiwi doesn’t have issue with the NCAA clearing house. Ashleigh Karaitiana, New Zealand, is being held out this year pending NCAA clearinghouse decision.


  237. papajoe2 November 17, 2011 5:34 pm

    What was the story about Mike Leach getting fired at a Texas school? Wasn’t he the also coach that coaches Craig James’ son. If he was, more so if Mac gets the heeve ho, I would want him here. I cannot stand Craig James. He degrades all mid major colleges even though he went to SMU. Saw him on 30-30 about SMU’s death penalty. Looks like a liar to me too.


  238. ai-eee-soos November 17, 2011 5:35 pm

    somewhat off-topic – for the 49er fans. Joe’s son to start.

    Nick Montana to start for Washington

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7247891/washington-huskies-nick-montana-set-make-first-career-start


  239. jm2375 November 17, 2011 5:35 pm

    Ralph – Coach Wade also has a Kiwi on this year’s team. Hope there’s no problems with his foreign players.


  240. Ralph November 17, 2011 5:37 pm

    Morgan Roberts out of New Zealand played rugby, she may be what coach Dana needs to help Kamilah Jackson in the paint for rebounds and tough defense.


  241. wafan November 17, 2011 5:51 pm

    Nytal!


  242. whitey November 17, 2011 5:52 pm

    aloha shahana and look forward to seeing play for the rainbow wahines.


  243. whitey November 17, 2011 5:53 pm

    ralph, just when you think that isu going bowling, the balloon gets huge. okie st this weekend and okie next week. ouch, ouch, itai


  244. whitey November 17, 2011 5:55 pm

    good decision by coach dana to look at down unda. uh has had success in the past and know this is a good place to start.


  245. al November 17, 2011 5:57 pm

    someone brought up dino babers today.


  246. Redondowarrior November 17, 2011 5:59 pm

    Mike Leach got fired from texas tech because of allegations that he mistreated Craig James’ kid. The kid had a concussion, and a trainer supposedly put him in a closet due to sensitivity to light. Elder James was beeching to administration. They terminated him before he was supposed to get a bonus or raise. I think leach has a wrongful termination suit in court. Leach never had a losing season and I think he took his team to bowl games every year he was there.


  247. papajoe2 November 17, 2011 6:08 pm

    Was Leach at Texas Tech? I wonder what his salary was where ever he was coaching.


  248. madeinhawaii November 17, 2011 6:11 pm

    How can you measure the success of these WAC coaches for Utah State and San Jose by one season? C’mon, will Utah State or San Jose beat us if we played them next season? I, for one, doubt it. But teams will get their “special” wins. That’s football. And we all know that the big bull’s eye was on the Warriors this season. Utah State and San Jose played each other to within 1 point and was decided in the last second in Utah… had the game been played in San Jose, maybe it would have gone the other way.

    UNLV was the only game that I was utterly shocked about… the rest I had my concerns due to the injuries we had in key positions going into each game. I have to wonder, too. How long was Moniz’s foot bothering him? If he really crumbled on a non-contact play, you have to wonder if it wasn’t badly fractured some time prior to that.


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  251. hillmok November 17, 2011 6:26 pm

    It’s not about how much you didn’t respect us in the past it’s about what can you do for me now?! Can you get Jimmy and Joe to come here? We aren’t going to compete with others with facilities, kids need to be sold beyond the glamour of Oregon’s facilities we need a guy who can sell himself.


  252. Ipu Man November 17, 2011 6:30 pm

    World War three is supposed to start in December some

    you tubers declare. Also some dark planet is supposed

    to come close causing huge tsunamies and then there is

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    So let’s sign up Mac pronto!


  253. madeinhawaii November 17, 2011 6:31 pm

    The last time our Warriors did this poorly then turned things around and went 10-4 the following season. I got a feeling that they will do as well or better next season.


  254. Redondowarrior November 17, 2011 6:33 pm

    Leach’s salary wasn’t that high, but he was due a large bonus or big raise, before he was fired, don’t remember which. He was a winner in the Big 12, competing with mid level players, much like UH. I think UH has to talk to Leach. side note: Mack coached for leach at tech.


  255. R Smoke November 17, 2011 6:43 pm

    Leach’s salary was around 1.8 milion when he was fired by Texas Tech. According to him that was the main reason he was fired (not the Adam James issue), because the AD and University President weren’t happy with his contract.


  256. Iwonderwhytheyhateme November 17, 2011 6:48 pm

    Mike Leach would be an interesting hire. He is an interesting person to say the least.

    Arizona might be his landing spot though.


  257. Ralph November 17, 2011 6:49 pm

    Tebow does it again, Denver beats the Jets!


  258. LizKauai (macbook) November 17, 2011 7:01 pm

    An Analogy:

    In today’s world people don’t even bother to get married… just procreate…

    Some take responsibility for their offspring… some don’t… and we know it takes a village to raise well-balanced children who are part of a family and community and learn skills that enable them to continue to be a contributing part of that community as they mature.

    Coach Mack has a contract with the University of Hawaii and is fulfilling his duties with the devotion of a parent in a marriage…

    Meanwhile, his “marriage” and parental efforts are being undermined by talk of bringing in a new bride- any bride- for the sake of change.

    I think it is ridiculous to keep pushing on this issue while the season remains to be completed and there are still games to be won.

    Do we think that divorce has no effect on children?

    Do we think that backbiting is not harmful?

    Do we think that injury and illness is not more likely to occur when spirits and morale are low?

    How will this disunity and hatred for the parent/coach of our team help the team to successfully complete their goals and aspirations?

    How will forcing a groundswell of perceived public dissatisfaction create the atmosphere of support that a team calls the 12th man?

    Why are some people so impatient to be “proved right” that this crap has to dominate conversation?

    The Warrior Beat doesn’t mean Beat on the Warriors.

    The fffff used to mean Fun, Friends, Families, Food and Football…. now it is starting to mean something else.

    So I say –

    In two day, the Warriors will take the field again.

    If we cannot say anything GOOD about them, their coaches and their fans…

    let’s STFU…

    Give peace a chance…

    Let’s try love and unity.

    We can always go back to hate and disunity if it doesn’t work.


  259. jeezy33 November 17, 2011 7:07 pm

    258..

    UMMM OK… Don’t know what world you live in but college football is a business whether you like it or not. Coaches get fired every year. This is not a perfect world.

    You keep talking like fans are hating on the Warriors. We are simply asking for a coaching change. It happens.

    People get divorces. People get fired from jobs. Life isn’t fair. So be it.

    When you are the highest paid coach in the WAC and highest paid state employee in Hawaii, it takes a little more than being a nice guy, loyal guy, hard worker to keep your job.


  260. Walter November 17, 2011 7:12 pm

    So what was the point of this post? Were we supposed to feel bad for someone not doing their job?


  261. el burro sabio November 17, 2011 7:13 pm

    Everyone dreams of champagne but UH is only willing to pay for beer. And cheap beer at that.


  262. el burro sabio November 17, 2011 7:14 pm

    It would have been nice if Dana could have signed Lia Galdeira, but that ship has already sailed.


  263. Ipu Man November 17, 2011 7:15 pm

    2 Timothy 3…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuQp12d-ge8


  264. LizKauai (macbook) November 17, 2011 7:17 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUZuRrKREI4&feature=related

    GO WARRIORS!


  265. Kaimuki Kid November 17, 2011 7:18 pm

    I agree with Liz, we should cheering on our team. Monku, Monku, Monku. Monku after the season is done. Sypport the team. We need all the posistive energy we can get. We have a lot of kids playing hurt and playing their guts out for their team. Let us support them and stop griping and nit picking. GO WARRIORS!!!


  266. Redondowarrior November 17, 2011 7:22 pm

    I don’t think everybody gets it. We all support the team, we are passionate about the team. Thats why you got people talking change. We are all for the Warriors


  267. AlaWai November 17, 2011 7:31 pm

    Aloha, I am a senior at Kukui High School and a 6’2″ 200 lb WR. I’m looking at numerous universities to attend. My choice includes Hawai`i since my cousin plays for the Warriors. He had season ending surgery as a result of a freak play where he laid out to catch a pass. He is really disappointed that the games are so poorly attended and not supported by the student body. He doesn’t think its fair to pick on the coaches for the losses this year. They work hard to prepare for the games as well as keeping the team in line academically. My cousin doesn’t plan to turn pro, he wants to go on to law school so he is grateful for what the scholarship did for him. I want to be a Warrior but don’t know if the coaches that offered me will be here in a year and a new one may yank the offer. I don’t know what to do. Please help me with my decision.


  268. juja November 17, 2011 7:31 pm

    coaches know that their job security is tenuous at best but they chose this profession Tsai, it is a fact Coaches are hired, only to be fired. Tsai , there are a lot of people in private industry that have families and lost jobs, coaches are no different.


  269. Brother Mike November 17, 2011 7:35 pm

    First we drop two against the dang Pats. Now we lose to Tebow Almighty. I’m in Green hell.


  270. Eric November 17, 2011 7:38 pm

    The word from Lower Campus Road is if Hawaii doesn’t qualify for the bowl, Coach Mac is fired right after the BYU game, If Hawaii loses the bowl game, Coach Mac is fired the next day. Coach Mac knows what he needs to do. Regarding who plays QB – it’ll be who can lead us to victory because there aint no next year for Coach Mac if he loses.


  271. LizKauai (macbook) November 17, 2011 7:39 pm

    #260- What’s the point?

    Try this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj2ofrX7jAk&feature=share


  272. Ralph November 17, 2011 7:42 pm

    Brother Mike, I thought you were a Raider fan, don’t tell me you mellowed and gave in to Stephen.


  273. AlaWai November 17, 2011 7:47 pm

    #270 If this is true then the admin must have some deep pockets to pay off Mac. They must also have a candidate in the wings who will accept less money or some coalition ready to pony up the bucks. In any case this is a $2 to $3 million gamble with our state already in economic shambles.


  274. jonj November 17, 2011 7:57 pm

    Jeezy i think your full of crap! you and the rest of all these mcmackin haters! for one I remember last recruiting year you touting all the players mack recruited! and now your saying he cant recruit??? second of June brought in mainly JC kids… Mac is bring in High school kids that need alil more developing! Ive never seen so many young players contributing so heavily early in there careers. These coaches are doing a fine job with what they have! What is the definition of excuse?? should there be no excuses or reasons why things happen?? lets just throw out science and math and everything that was made for excuses or reasons?? Even ESPN this past game even acknowledge theyve never seen a team so injury plagued.

    Look at utah state and new mexico… for that matter look at washington b4 sarkisian. getting a coach to come in and win… especially for the little dollars we are trying to throw around will only result in loses in every phase of hawaii football! And if we do get a coach who will win… they (bcs programs) will just take that person from us! Just except that Hawaii lost June Jones… probably wont be another like him! and except 7-6 or 8-5 seasons sprinkled in with the occasional 10 win season. I for one think mac will have more 10 win seasons than loosing seasons after all his recruits gain experience and we start to reload


  275. expat November 17, 2011 7:58 pm

    If memory serves McMackin didn’t really have an agent when he was hired — and there was no AD in place to negotiate with. He had attractive options too as both June Jones and Dennis Erickson wanted him as their DC.

    It is crazy that someone can make millions of dollars coaching college football. That is on us as fans because if the crazy TV money was not there to compete for, the college football coaches would not be making that kind of money. If success as a coach was measured just at wins and losses, graduation rates, and in developing players UH would be paying Dave Shoji somewhere between 2 and 3 million a year. Maybe more.


  276. LizKauai (macbook) November 17, 2011 8:03 pm

    #275. AMEN.


  277. Brother Mike November 17, 2011 8:09 pm

    Raiders? Heaven forbid, Ralph!


  278. Don Weir November 17, 2011 8:16 pm

    In Looking to the Future

    I have just submitted my application for the open position on the Stadium Authority.

    It is my hope to bring the full community together on stadium issues, provide a sounding board for all concerns, and help shape a vision of taking us into the next several decades.

    On land not impacted by the current CCR’s is a tech park part of the future? Is a mini-hotel part of the future? Concerts? What about links to the rail station and the vision that can be created there? Can we make the stadium self-sustaining?

    UH needs a voice, Dept of Ed needs a voice, HHSSA needs a voice, and especially, the community needs a voice. My main goal is to provide an outreach to the community as submitted by the application this evening.

    Transparency has been my mantra since we all started to share resources when I met many of you. It still is.

    These are trying times in local/national/global arenas: economically, athletically, educationally, emotionally. However, here in this state WE have the University of Hawai’i Warriors and we can rally around the men and women athletes that compete for our University.

    I am proud to be a graduate of the University of Hawai’i; I am proud to be a former Rainbow Warrior.


  279. Derek November 17, 2011 8:16 pm

    #174 A-Joe: Sorry I didn’t quite finish, but it’s pretty hard to do blog comments on an Iphone 4 while I am at Ala Moana Center while I’m waiting for my wife. I would take too long, but here are some thoughts.

    1) My definition of a “holy grail” Head Coach is a take on what Al has been saying that we need to have a “holy grail” player, mostly the QB. In what we are saying what is “holy grail” I think it would mean that the person would take us (Hawaii) to the promised land. Promised land in my defintion is having an undefeated season or at least only 1 loss and close to or being pick as a BCS bowl team. Example, the Sugar Bowl team in 2007. Brennan, to me, was the “holy grail” and he finished 3rd in the Heisman balloting. Yet, I thought his 2006 season was better when he threw for 58 touchdowns and set the NCAA record. When he returned for his senior season, his press conference to announce his decision was televised statewise. He was the pied piper and the toast of the town. We haven’t had a player like that who captivated the fans like that since. The “holy grail” head coach is the one who takes his team to unprecedented heights. The 2 that comes to immediately in my mind is Chris Peterson at Boise State and Jim Harbaugh at Stanford and now at the SF 49ers. There are a lot of good coaches out there and making their marks. Chip Kelly at Oregon has that offense hummking. Sarkisian is turning Washington around. Brian Kelly at N. Dame has had terrific success at prior jobs at Cincinnati and Central Michigan. Gary Patterson at TCU is a terrific coach and very underrated.

    3) Who would be a good coach – well, the first person that comes to mind is Mike Leach. He has an offensive mind and I have heard him speak on many times and I like his philosophy.

    He’s definitely not a Greg McMackin as far as talking. Leach can talk all day and he makes sense too. However, Leach might be too expensive for Hawaii unless he lowers his demands.

    If Kenny Niumatalolo is interested we would have to change the offense to what he and Paul Johnson’s offense is doing which is the triple option. It can work at Hawaii as it did before but the personnel will have to change to recruit the players to suit the offense. The key is to find the “magician” “holy grail” type QB who can run and throw and handle the ball with precision. Brian Harsin at Texas and formerly of Boise St. is an up and coming coach, but he might be too expensive too. But you never know? It will be interesting to see what happens in the next 3 games. In my opinion, it would be difficult to beat BYU. The best chance is to win the next 2 games against Fresno St. and Tulane, but the way we have been plahying of late we could lose all 3 games and I wouldn’t be surprised.

    We should have a roundtable and talk story about Hawaii football. There are a lot of fans who are passionate about Warrior football. All this discussion is the result of not losing some games, it is about how we are losing games. It is upsettling to many fans because we were pegged to win the conference and now we find that our schedule is the worst in the nation. To say it has been a disappointing season so far is an understatement. Somebody has to be accountable and you know who that is. It is unfortunate, but at some point we have to move on. Such is life. Nothing remians the same. What the heck, I’m on bonus time rightr now with a lot of health issues. Life is too short. We should make the most of it. I want to see another undefeated season and I hope, soon!


  280. Ralph November 17, 2011 8:17 pm

    Brother Mike, married life must have fogged your true calling, it’s the RAIDERS!


  281. Bowwar November 17, 2011 8:20 pm

    Fire the damn lawyer who promised Pacquio coming this weekend…Furthermore, if he can’t stage the FIGHT here in Hawaii, we should run him out of town…Fair is fair…


  282. Pomai November 17, 2011 8:23 pm

    #258 – Sorry I hate that phrase “it takes a village to raise a child” sorry I don’t want the village to have anything to do with my child, there are too many village idiots in the village I will raise my child myself.


  283. Bowwar November 17, 2011 8:24 pm

    #272 I agree…definitely full of it!


  284. Slugger November 17, 2011 8:25 pm

    Don Weir:

    Very cool! Hope you get the Stadium Authority position.


  285. Not an Expert November 17, 2011 8:26 pm

    Coach Mack whatever they paid you, good for you. Take care of yourself and your family. The amount we paid in tax dollars for your salary pales in comparison to what is wasted by our state and city government.

    They gave it to you and you accepted. As we all know there is always a price to pay, nothing comes for free. Sorry to say you and your family are paying for it from the criticism and smack the jerks are dishing out off the field. Don’t feel bad cause you did what you thought was best. Anyway you can be the one who can laugh all the way to the bank.

    When the time comes for you to leave UH, may it lead to a better place than what we call the land of “Aloha”.


  286. Ralph November 17, 2011 8:27 pm

    pomai call me since you don’t answer your phone


  287. Old Diver November 17, 2011 8:28 pm

    #246

    Rarely does any coach get fired for one thing. Single things are easy to fix. A boatload of problems is what normally leads to termination.


  288. Slugger November 17, 2011 8:29 pm

    Compliance info:

    If you want to feed a student-athlete for Thanksgiving, go to the UH Compliance office in the Nagatani Academic Center (1st FL) and pickup an “Occasional Meal Request Form” from Amanda Paterson.


  289. Bowwar November 17, 2011 8:30 pm

    278 – Don, I appreciate your spirit & support of UH, but why bother with the stadium authority…What we need, which was exposed by JJ, is an On-campus stadium NOT a state run “white elephant”. Put your energies to better use & shoot for what is truly needed.


  290. Haleakala November 17, 2011 8:30 pm

    BCS Proposes Radical Changes

    In meetings held this week in San Francisco, ESPN reports that the BCS might sever ties with the traditional BCS bowls and just concentrate on arranging the national championship game. There is also consideration of eliminating the AQ system! These proposals are radical but they have a chance of passing when further discussed in future meetings.

    Just the talk of these possible changes will slow down or halt the conference re-alignments and movement of teams from one conference to another. If these changes do occur, the conferences and team alignments will ultimately be based upon geography and traditional opponents. This is huge for the conferences and teams in flux.

    The story is here: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7248953/bcs-proposes-only-handling-national-championship-game-sources-say


  291. Bowwar November 17, 2011 8:33 pm

    #285 -Amen…Mack is a “decent” person & it’s sad that folks are showing the type of trash we have in this State.


  292. Old Diver November 17, 2011 8:34 pm

    #285

    Coach Mack’s salary is paid for by the renenues the football team earns. This is why the argument some make that the money spent on football should be spent on other things is a misinformed one. No football team means no revenue which equals and athletic department consisting of just two teams, women’s volleyball and men’s basketball.


  293. Kaimuki Kid November 17, 2011 8:43 pm

    Positive waves, not toxic ones… All this talk of changing of the guard should occur after the season is over and done with. Then gripe away all you want while we have nothing to do in the off season. I don’t believe we have the money to buy out the coach anyway. It is not like we are losing every game, you folks are bringing out the pitchforks and torches to soon… Chill! Go Warriors!!!


  294. Old Diver November 17, 2011 8:44 pm

    #290

    This sounds almost like what we have now. The BCS will select the top two teams to play each other in a national championship game and the major bowls (Rose Bowl) can choose who they want to be in their bowls. This almost guarantees that non traditional football teams will have no chance at playing in a major bowl. These guys are taking the fans for fools again.


  295. jeezy33 November 17, 2011 8:46 pm

    Jon J??? Good one Mack lover. Where at any point did I state Mack can’t recruit??? Are you blind or something?

    He is quoted as in on the radio to saying he is known for recruiting….. Therefore if he is known for recruiting, our players arent the problem and his ability to coach them is the problem.

    And June brought in JC kids??? Davone Bess, Ryan Grice Mullins, Greg Salas, Tyler Graunke, Vince Manuwai, Mel Purcell, Jason Rivers, Samson Satele and so on and so on are high school recruits. Who gives a crap if a guy is from JC or high school. Mack recruits JC just as much as June so again I dont get your point.

    You are such an average joe its disgusting. Never be another June Jones? Maybe with your negative attitude.

    As for me, I am not cool with a million dollar coach who simply can’t coach.

    We play the worst teams in America and are somehow 500.

    And who cares what the announcers say. They don’t follow enough UH football to have an opinion. They just go off what the coaches say prior to the game.

    Don’t call me out unless you got your facts straight. Especially when your argument is full of holes


  296. tommui November 17, 2011 8:53 pm

    Huh#293 – and you wonder why people get upset with the bitterness and unfeeling comments on this blog?

    Free speech doesn’t mean you should be throwing garbage at posters.


  297. SteveM November 17, 2011 8:53 pm

    Don Weir:

    November 17th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    In Looking to the Future

    I have just submitted my application for the open position on the Stadium Authority.

    Bravo, Don!

    Is there anything we can do to assist?


  298. gmahoney November 17, 2011 9:01 pm

    #258-the reason I stopped being a lurker, started attending UH games and tailgates. If you only complain, you become part of the problem. Put your okole in the seat. Support our boys (and girls in SB, BB and VB). Put your money where your mouth is.

    Go Warriors!


  299. tommui November 17, 2011 9:01 pm

    #275 Expat – Bert Kobayashi represented Coach Mac – I believe that it was President McLean and the Chancellor that dealt with the contract. They offered Coach Mac the same offer (or at least the initial offer) made to JJ.


  300. jonj November 17, 2011 9:02 pm

    comeon an you probably neva played football! you have been saying he cant recruit for weeks now. this isnt just me coming on here today and reading this crap. ive been lurking here everday since 2005. Whos the one with the negative attitude?? trash talking the coaches like they can help what players do on the field like there controlling them on a video game. Second off Idk but since mack has been here ive seen us give every big name team a run for their money… except for wisconsin and florida. with JJ i only saw that a few times… And comeon you name the few players that JJ actually recruited outta high school…

    Get your facts straight… hawaii is secluded our football is never gonna be big-time! mostly due to that fact we have the worst fans in the world! And fans like you with the negative attitude bring the other fair-weather fans even more down!

    Why werent u calling for macs head last season?? cuz u where on his nuts! loving his recruits and efforts!

    Who do you think can come in here for a million or less and take the program in a better direction??


  301. AlaWai November 17, 2011 9:06 pm

    Derek: I wish the best in your health quest as that is more precious than anything. I too wish for an undefeated season soon. I want to see UH invited to an AQ conference. I want it all as well. UH is a special. It is a David among Goliaths. We’ve done more with less than any other football program. In the past ten years, how many non-AQ teams have accomplished what Hawai`i has. BSU, TCU, Utah its a short list. When you speak of “holy grail” players Bryant Moniz did that for us in 2010. Why? Because the pieces fell together. Salas, Pilares, Bradley amd Aranda’s Defense and the same coaching staff. Yes, we lost the SH Bowl, without Salas, Pilares, half the O-line against a good team. Injuries and Academic DQs. We’ve had two winning seasons out of 3, two bowl games, albeit losses and the possiblity of physically limping to another one. Giving Mac an extension keeps continuity to a proven formula of Offense designed for less physically talented players. It gives us a young, talented and creative OC destined to be a HC. It gives us a DC with similar creds. It gives us a respected HC with NFL and BCS rings and allows him to hand over the program in an orderly fashion, keep us from committing economic suicide and creating a turnstile reputation. BTW, a “holy grail” will not fill our stadium until economics turn around and/or a near campus is built . Maybe the current generation will grow into the “fanatics” we had in the 70’s that filled Aloha Stadium despite losing seasons. I’d love to relive the ecstasy we experience when Hawai`’ thumped BYU. Remember the quest for the “holy grail” was a journey, which lasted for a long period of time and was never fulfilled.


  302. jonj November 17, 2011 9:07 pm

    maybe we should go grab the next gary anderson or dwyane walker and have them take us to the promise land… just like their doing at they’re school!


  303. Kaimuki Kid November 17, 2011 9:07 pm

    Bravo! Tom I agree it was low blow and uncalled for. ST I think someone needs a time out!


  304. madeinhawaii November 17, 2011 9:09 pm

    Those that want Mack fired make it sound like winning is the only criteria for being a good Head Coach. I see it as being much more than that. The Head Coach has to make sure that the “student” in “student athlete” always come first. Win or lose. Making sure the APR for the football team is ahead of the curve (945) at all times. The Head Coach has to make sure that everything is in compliance and recruit the best “FIT” players for the team personality wise whiles still addressing the most needed areas first before extending offers to all other high profile players. The Head Coach doesn’t play up to popularity contests when recruiting, but rather what’s best for the team. The Head Coach needs to bring in the right assistants and shoulder the responsibilities should they or his players screw up. He works with the community, volunteers his time, is approachable and has the respect of his players.

    For the past three years people have been happy with his recruiting… for the past three years we have gone to two bowl games. Last year everyone was happy with the record and greedily wanted even more. Our personal penalties as a team are much less than before. We still get our fair share of players into the NFL and a lot of others get good looks from the NFL, CFL and Arena football, as well.

    We’re having an off year… lots of injuries… including season ending ones for at least two starters… we also have a former starter banned from playing till the bowl game. But like Trevor Davis, there are many bright stars ready to hit the lights come next season. Trevor is just a sampling. The Oline looks to be the best we have had in a long time. The receiving corps will be experienced because of this season’s musical chair of injuries in that department. Quarterback… pick and choose… they all all good… come fall… at least one will be outstanding… the running back? We got two really good ones in the making and several exciting potentials in the waiting… Offensively, next season, we are stacked deep enough to be frightfully good… even in the MWC.

    Defensively, we need to bolster a couple of areas.. and we see Mack already tendering the offers to a couple of JC players to add some depth to those needs.

    The Win/Loss record is but one facet of coaching… but by doing what Mack has been doing in the other areas, I am confident that the Wins will come and will come in a landslide next season and the seasons to follow.


  305. LizKauai (macbook) November 17, 2011 9:11 pm

    Football is not the holy grail.

    Again, I implore you all…

    Can we just support this team as it is- for the next month?

    Without caveats?

    Without buts?

    Just say GO WARRIORS and mean it sincerely?

    Just one more month… Can we live each day like the season isn’t already over?

    Please.


  306. kev-1 November 17, 2011 9:13 pm

    blinded by loyalty . . .

    leave the coaches alone, they have kids (yeah, and?)

    the cupboards were bare when JJ left, you can’t blame Mack (umm no they weren’t)

    coach mack saved our team (excuse me while I pick myself up off of the floor)

    he’s not overpaid, haven’t you heard the cost of living in Hawaii is high (kckckckc . . . sorry that was me choking)

    all of you fair weather fans don’t belong here (I’m sorry my opinion doesn’t match yours exactly, but that’s why it is mine)

    and last but not least . . . insert bible scritpure here ___________ – football is about love and peace (nope, its not)


  307. Don Weir November 17, 2011 9:15 pm

    #289

    And if that is what the community wants then the Stadium Authority needs to hear it. If an on campus stadium idea comes to fruition then the ‘white elephant’ as you call it needs to have a plan for the future don’t you think?? I really hope the future of rail (if it has a future after reading Ansaldo’s troubles in the SA today) calls for an on campus rail stop. This would make sense then for a stadium on site a UH. If parking was limited then public transit would be the answer. Ever been to Petco Park or Qualcomm? PacBell Field? Toronto’s ball park? Rail either comes so close you could fall through the turnstiles or it runs into the facility (or under it in the case of ‘the Gahhhden’ in Boston.

    #298

    I appreciate your support. I have no real knowledge of where the app goes from this point but I know the appointment is made out of the Gov’s office.


  308. kev-1 November 17, 2011 9:15 pm

    My point? let people say what they will, have their own opinions, etc. without getting lectured everytime they post something you may disagree with. It’s called sports banter for crying out loud. They make television shows out of it. It is entertaining. Stop taking things so personal.


  309. madeinhawaii November 17, 2011 9:16 pm

    #302…

    That’s not freedom of speech.. that’s the freedom to express thoughtlessness, crassness, insidious arrogance, and temporary lack of good judgement.

    For those who constantly quote “free speech”, “this is a public blog” etc. just a reminder, this is not the case here, if you are not familiar with our rules and regulations please read them so that you can either abide by them or choose a more appropriate blog that suites your needs. Thank you.

    This reminds me of that Thai guy who lives in the States. He criticized the Thai government online some time ago. Then on a recent visit to Thailand, he was arrested as soon as he touched down.

    Websites are private property and are bound by the rules of the service provider, the country it is in and even possibly the countries it is exposed to, as well as the owner of the website/blog. So, if you really want freedom of speech, you need to create your own website on your own server in your own country. And make sure your “internet” doesn’t extend pass the borders of your own country.


  310. kev-1 November 17, 2011 9:16 pm

    GO WARRIORS!!! and yes that is sincere


  311. Derek November 17, 2011 9:16 pm

    Everybody knows Coach McMackin is a nice guy. I don’t have a problem he is getting his salary. It’s not his fault for getting paid what it is. That said, with the #1 coaching salary in the WAC there are expectations, high expectations. Pre-season conference champion, bowl game guarans ball barons. Well, no conference championship this year and the jury still out on the bowl game. We can all agree the team has not played well most of the season and we have not made the critical plays to close out games. I do think the team has played hard and tried hard. They were in every game this year and had a chance to win every game, even at Washington. Losing by 20 points in Las Vegas was a shock especially when we were favored by 2o pts. Something is terribly wrong with this picture. Too many crucial turnovers at inopportune times, kicking woes, etc, etc. etc. I think everybody has to take their share of the blame and the mistakes, including the coaches. The Head Coach is reponsible for everybody, McMackin himself has said that on many occasions. It is what it is and we should get used to it. It’s a business. That saiod, I hope McMackin and the Warriors coach and play a good game this Saturday. We want our team to win and it doesn’t have to be close. I’m taking a shower!


  312. kev-1 November 17, 2011 9:18 pm

    313 . . . +1


  313. Don Weir November 17, 2011 9:19 pm

    Kev-1

    “Slow dancing is a contact sport, Football is a violent contact sport” (Lou Holtz).


  314. Kevin November 17, 2011 9:22 pm

    kev-1:

    November 17th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    GO WARRIORS!!! and yes that is sincere

    You don’t have to say “that is sincere”.

    If you believe it then that is enough.

    No one owes a damn thing to anyone here.

    Who gives a s*** if a name on a blog believes you or not. They are of NO consequence. The student-athletes and the program that COMES BEFORE ALL OTHERS is what matters. Some people need a pat on the back to feel better about themselves.


  315. lighter fuel November 17, 2011 9:24 pm

    I like this blog its a master peace ! Glad I found this on google .


  316. gmahoney November 17, 2011 9:25 pm

    Go Warriors!

    Nuff said!


  317. Kevin November 17, 2011 9:28 pm

    madeinhawaii:

    November 17th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    #302…

    That’s not freedom of speech.. that’s the freedom to express thoughtlessness, crassness, insidious arrogance, and temporary lack of good judgement.

    Isn’t that what “freedom of speech” has become?

    I wrote about this MONTHS ago.


  318. Insider November 17, 2011 9:28 pm

    the coaches and players do NOT respect Mack


  319. WarriorMojo November 17, 2011 9:31 pm

    Re #293

    Never said this before, but, ST, you should ban that mofo. TOTALLY uncalled for.


  320. Earlier November 17, 2011 9:32 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_yDWQsrajA


  321. AlaWai November 17, 2011 9:32 pm

    @Insider: Rumors and Gossip…state the facts if you have them. Vitriol has no place here.


  322. jonj November 17, 2011 9:33 pm

    Kev -1… how do u claim mack wasnt left bare in 2008?? CB gone… 4 WRs gone… o-line gone… Top QB understudy gone… he did have some very solid young players who needed development… pilares, salas, greg alex, defensively they had talent and held there own that season i thought! jus struggled offensively


  323. LizKauai (macbook) November 17, 2011 9:38 pm

    The village is us.

    We are the village people… 😎

    GO WARRIORS!


  324. LizKauai (macbook) November 17, 2011 9:38 pm

    Now where is Koamahu?


  325. bigislandkurt November 17, 2011 9:41 pm

    Like I said, if Mac gets canned, there will be a long line of candidates trying to be the next UH head coach. Contrary to what many might believe, it is a pretty attractive position.

    How bout Coach Denny Green? 🙂

    BIK


  326. whitey November 17, 2011 9:48 pm

    just realized that da warriors have a game this sat against the dogs. Go Warriors!!!


  327. cocobean November 17, 2011 9:52 pm

    Too many people got a bad case of Boise Envy. Why can’t we be like Boise? Why can’t we find a coach like Petersen?

    Boise Envy is not something unique to HI. It happens throughout the football landscape. You’ll hear it from Fresno to East Carolina, why can’t we be like Boise?

    Boise Envy usually afflicts the most ardent of fans when Their team is not heading in the direction they want. The direction they want is respectability. They want a program that’s respected like…..

    Unfortunately, just changing the Coach has not been approved by the FDA as an effective treatment for Boise Envy. They recommend that any coaching change must be used in conjunction with facility upgrades, blue chip athletes and an overall culture change.


  328. d1shima November 17, 2011 9:52 pm

    Players win games….


  329. papajoe2 November 17, 2011 9:56 pm

    Pomai,

    Warriors 45, puppies 23.


  330. cocobean November 17, 2011 9:58 pm

    You mean LizK is available? Dibs.


  331. Kaimuki Kid November 17, 2011 10:02 pm

    Pomai UH 31 FSU 21


  332. Eric November 17, 2011 10:03 pm

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