Scores 11-16 … UCSB def. CSUN
Thanks to the Gauchos’ 25-18, 27-29, 25-20, 21-25, 15-12 win over CSUN last night, Hawaii stays alive in the title hunt
CSUN 12-2, UCSB 10-2, Hawaii 9-3. UH needs to win out and UCSB to lose another. if that happens and the three teams end up 13-3 …
UCSB holds the tiebreak on CSUN having beaten the Matadors twice
The Wahine hold the tiebreak over UCSB on point-differential. 213-207
For Hawaii to earn the tiebreak over CSUN, the Wahine have to beat the Matadors, and do it in 3 or 4 sets, OR if it goes to five, do it by scoring 4 more points. CSUN holds the edge 118-115 going into Saturday’s match.
Other Big West scores Saturday
Cal Poly 3, Davis 0 & The Beach 3, Fullerton 1
Top 25 Saturday
1. Texas def. Texas Tech 3-0
2. Penn State def. No. 11 Minnesota 3-0
3. Washington idle
4. USC idle at WSU Sunday
5. Florida idle hosts Alabama Sunday
6. Stanford def. Oregon State 3-0
7. Missouri def. South Carolina 3-0
8. San Diego def. Gonzaga 3-0
9. Nebraska def. No. 19 Michigan 3-1
10. Colorado State idle
11. Minnesota lost at No. 2 Penn State 3-0
12. Hawaii idle
13. Duke def. Georgia Tech 3-1
14. Wisconsin idle hosts Ohio State sunday
15. North Carolina def. Virginia 3-1
16. Michigan State def. Iowa 3-0
17. Kentucky idle at Ole Miss Sunday
18. Pordue lost at No. 25 Illinois 3-0
19. Michigan lost at No. 9 Nebraska 3-1
20. Cal idle
21. CSUN lost to UCSB 3-2
22. Florida State def. Notre Dame 3-0
23. Kansas def. Kansas State 3-1
24. BYU def. Portland 3-0
25. Illinois def. No. 18 Purdue 3-0
Hawai`i usually is a slug coming off of a bye hope that doesn’t happen again.
Thanks, Cindy. that’s how I figured out. Imo, only Long Beach out of 4 teams left has a chance to win over UCSB. As for Hawaii, the next two games will be very crucial. Let’s go Na Wahine!! And also guys, please don’t forget to vote for Emily. She is now ahead over Chloe Mann.
Agree, LC. they do need to play well this week. Shoji may be regretting wanting those back=to=back matches. Could have just as easily had Davis on Thursday.
3. Yes Cindy, maybe next season with the scheduling Shoji won’t do a favor for the public and do the schedule for his team and rest on Friday between matches, since UH will probably be the lone wolf again.
He said he did it in part for the fans who were having a hard time getting there on Thursdays. We’ll see how this week plays out.
With the BWC now competitive, I would do na Wahine the favor over the home crowd. Besides, if by doing so na Wahine do better, that’s a favor to the fans as well.
Is there any team left on UCSBs schedule that you see has a serious chance to beat them?
Cindy I thought that the first thing that they look at for the tie breaker was the head to head records of the teams tied, then if there’s still a tie, then go to the points scored as you have done in your titled article.
I guess if the Wahine dosen’t do well this week Shoji can be partly blamed for the way he sked. I agree with 6. If the team don’t do well, the fans will not show.Look at Football.
6. agree with you.
7.Nov. 29. UCSB at The Beach. 49ers won at UCSB in 5 Sept. 27.
UCSB hosts Fullerton and Riverside this week. then travel to The Beach and Irvine
8. guess it’s on another thread
1. head to head.
2. Sets W vs. Sets L
3. Point differential.
Yes because if it’s head to head Santa Barbara wins out being 3-1, UH or Northridge winner Saturday ends 2-2, loser 1-3. Santa Barbara is already the champs even if they lose to LB.
LBSU will deflated their big heads
11. don’t know if I agree with you but your interpretation may be the correct one.
Actually it’s none done yet for UH, UCSB would have to lose two of their next four matches, to lose the crown to UH if UH wins out.
Hugh upset in the PAC 12
I meant HUGE upset in the PAC 12 Washington State over USC in 5
In the 5th USC was serving for match at 14-9 and lost it 21-19. wow.
Make that 14-6. worser.
14-8. fingers ain’t cooperating.
Re: Lead Story “11. Minnesota lost at No. 2 Penn State” … Nope, I put this on my watch list only because the Golden Gophers (then 2nd in Big Ten standings) was hosting (not visiting) the Lions.
The Lions have a homestretch MO that’s scary, and while I like how the Fighting Illini is (wo)manning up lately, don’t think they have much of a chance taking on PSU at home, nor do I think Nebraska has much of a chance hosting them in the last match of the Big Ten conference season.
Going to be interesting to see how many of the Big Ten teams are sent a bid to host 1 of the 16 subregionals.
There seems to be a lot of misinformation about the tie-breaking rules. Here are the rules. Point differential does not come into play until after looking at the wins against common conference opponents. UCSB would have beat the next best team (CSUN) twice so they would win any tiebreaker between them and UH.
In the event two teams tie for first place in the final standings, the following tie-breaking formula shall be used to determine the automatic qualifier:
1. The winner of the two-match series between the tied teams shall be declared the automatic qualifier.
2. If still tied, the team with the best record in conference matches against common opponents beginning at the top of the standings and working down the standings until the tie is broken shall be declared the automatic qualifier. Ties among teams at the top of the standings should be broken first to establish a ranked order.
3. If still tied, the team with the best total win/loss set record in
conference matches against all conference opponents, including the matches between the tied teams, shall be declared the automatic qualifier.
4. If still tied, the team with the best win/loss set record against
common conference opponents, excluding the team with which it is tied, beginning at the top of the standings and working down until the tie is broken shall be declared the automatic qualifier. Ties at the to
p of the standings should be broken first to establish a ranked order.
5. If still tied, the team with the highest point ratio in all
conference matches shall be declared the automatic qualifier. (Adopted 1/7/96, Revised 5/7/96, 5/6/97, 6/9/98, 8/27/98, 6
/8/99, 7/17/00, 5/11/09.)
In the event more than two teams tie for first place in the final
standings, the following tie-breaking formula shall be used:
The teams shall be ranked based on win-loss record against the other tied teams. If one team is ranked ahead of the other teams, it shall be declared the automatic qualifier. If a team is ranked behind the other teams, the remaining teams (if still tied based on wins and losses against the other tied teams) shall be ranked based on the two-way tie-breaker formula.
2. If more than two teams are still tied, the teams shall be compared based on the best record in conference matches against common opponents beginning at the top of the standings and working down until the tie is broken. Ties among teams at the top of the standings should be broken first to establish a ranked order. If one team is ranked ahead of the other teams, it shall be declared the automatic
qualifier. If a team is ranked behind the other teams, the remaining teams (if still tied based on wins and losses Section 20 -9 against the other tied teams) shall be compared based on the two-way tie-breaker formula.
3. If still tied, the team with the best total win/loss set record in conference matches against all opponents, including the matches between the tied teams, shall be declared the automatic qualifier.
4. If still tied, the team with the best win/loss set record against
common conference opponents, excluding the team with which it is tied, beginning at the top of the standings and working down until the tie is broken, shall be declared the automatic qualifier. Ties among teams at the top of the standings should be broken first to establish a ranked order.
(Adopted 1/7/96, Revised 5/7/96, 5/6/97, 6/9/98, 8/27/98,
Haw wins by point differential if UCSB AND WAHINE
Several teams ahead of Hawai`i lost but not seeing it helping them move up much,maybe one spot ?
I wonder how far CSUN will drop or if UCSB will get votes?
Two more weeks of play, 14 days to selection Sunday on Dec 1. Wonder how the almighty selection committee is going to handle Hawaii’s situation with their RPI at 12/14 and not a automatic qualifier without the BW crown. Seeded and a host for 1st/2nd round, or send them packing as they always do.
Staying above # 16 in the RPI we will host 1st and second round no matter what we do in conference .
UCSB winning the auto bid won’t get them a good seed because of their RPI.
The committee by passed two schools last season within the RPI 16 and gave it to two at #18 and I’m guessing #20. Not sure if those two schools had reasons not to host or the committee just didn’t award them. So they can very well by pass UH even at an RPI of #12/14. Not winning the crown just gave them another excuse for not awarding UH.
Can you refresh my memory mauna on who the teams were besides Hawai`i ?
On second thought there may be only one school within the 16 that was by-passed for a seed. I recall Kentucky with a RPI of 18 or higher being awarded the 16 seed. So it can happen that even with UH with a final RPI within the 16 on selection Sunday could possibly be by-passed, and the seed given to a BCS/SEC school that the committee loves. And since it seems most likely that the west side of the geography is loaded with Washington, USC, Stanford, and San Diego probably hosting. The committee rather send UH packing rather then fly 3 teams to Hawaii. I hope I’m wrong, we’ll have 14 waiting days for the answer.
I’m hoping the Big West won’t bring down Hawaii’s RPI this week. Hawaii’s nonconference opponents did decent this week.
UCLA 1-1 (Loss to Washington) (Defeated Washington State)
Arizona 2-0 (Defeated Colorado) (Defeated Utah)
Northwestern 2-0 (Defeated Purdue) (Defeated Indiana)
New Mexico State 1-0 (*Defeated UTEP)
Santa Clara 1-1 (Defeated Pacific) (Loss to Saint Marys)
San Diego 2-0 (Defeated Gonzaga) (Defeated Loyola Marymount)
Wichita State 2-0 (Defeated Loyola) (Defeated Bradley)
Creighton 1-1 (Defeated St. Johns) (Loss to Seton Hall)
South Dakota 0-2 (Loss to Nebraska-Omaha) (Loss to Western Illinois)
Portland State 2-0 (Defeated Northern Colorado (Defeated North Dakota)
UTEP 1-2 (Loss to Tulsa) (*Loss to New Mexico St.) (Defeated East Carolina)
Texas 1-0 (Defeated Texas Tech)
Thats a total of 16-7 and the Northwestern win over Purdue will hopefully help
lc and mauna — hawaii had an rpi of 17 last year heading into the tournament.
and there were 2 teams within the top 16 rpi (#14 north carolina and #15 texas a&m) who were bypassed for a seed. #18 iowa st and #19 kentucky received seeds instead.
vballfreak — thanks for the info.
arizona and northwestern are being surprisingly resilient in the pac12 and big10.
if hawaii manages to hold on to a top 16 rpi, what will help them get a seed is the ‘nitty gritty’ of their schedule, i.e. the fact that they’re 3-1 against the rpi top 25 and 5-2 against the rpi top 50 (if their opponents rpi hold up as well).
hawaii did not have that kind of record last year, on top of falling just out of the top 16 rpi right before the tournament.
hawaii still has a mathematical shot at a share of the big west championship. they may end up losing the AQ on tiebreaker. but there is no requirement that a team be an AQ to get a seed. for hawaii, being from the big west, not being the AQ would certainly reflect poorly on them. but they can offset that by claiming at least a share of the conference title, imo.
despite the losses in conference, hawaii’s overall body of work might be strong enough to earn them a seed. but all of this also depends on what other teams are on the bubble for a seed, and what the ‘nitty gritty’ of those teams’ schedules look like.
Thanks Cubicle. So if it ends up with UH and one or two of the teams tied with the identical records of 13-3, they are officially on the record as the co-champions of the BW? with the tie-breaker only for the AQ?
Shoji tweets this morning
“We need to take of business this week and next.” “RPI still high enough to host.” “Big West automatic berth up for grabs!”
21. thanks WF. I see that these were revised in 96, about the time the Wahine moved to the WAC. my bad for not updating my memory ‘-)
na wahine currently #10 on ncaa rip …