Hawaii to No. 8 in poll 10-21
http://www.avca.org/divisions/division-one-women/poll-10-21-13di/
Wahine up a spot to No. 8. 11. Missouri 23-0 surprised they aren’t getting more love as Tsai would say
The Rainbow Wahine (16-2), who had a bye week last week, went from No. 9 to No. 8 in the rankings that saw a number of upsets create movement among the teams above them.
Texas (13-2), the preseason No. 1, returned to the top spot, receiving 44 of the 60 first-place votes. The Longhorns, who lost the season-opener to Hawaii, were at No. 3 last week.
Also moving up two spots was new No. 2 Penn State (16-2, 12 votes). Washington (15-1, 4 votes, jumped three spots to No. 3 while former No. 1 USC (17-2) fell three spots after being swept by unranked Arizona Sunday.
Florida (18-2) also dropped three spots to No. 5. The Gators were upset by unbeaten Missouri Sunday. The Tigers (23-0) went from No. 18 to No. 11 in today’s poll.
Despite losing to Washington Sunday, Stanford (13-4) moved up on place to No. 6. Minnesota (18-3) jumped over Hawaii from No. 10 to No. 7.
Rounding out the top 10 were San Diego (15-3), up two spots to No. 9, and Michigan State (17-3), down five spots to No. 10. The Spartans lost twice on the road last week to Minnesota and Wisconsin.
Hawaii (5-1 Big West) returns to conference play this week with road matches at Cal State Northridge (16-4, 6-1) Thursday and UC Davis (11-9, 3-4) Saturday.
When you look at their schedule in it’s entirety It’s easy for me to see why there isn’t much love for MO.Even at 11 they are way overrated.
Unlike the polls there is no consistency to the day or time of day the NCAA updates the RPI.
If I recall last year it was every Wednesday,this year it looked like it would be every Monday but nothing yet.
the problem with missouri isn’t that they’re underrated or overrated. until the florida match that they won, there was really nothing to really gauge how good missouri really is.
they played nobody of consequence in the early non-conference portion of their schedule. and aside from florida, they haven’t played any teams in the top 25 of any of the polls/indicators (although they did defeat arkansas and georgia, who are 26 and 27 respectively in last week’s RPI).
that’s a really big jump (and good for them!), but it’s essentially based off of just one quality win. the rest of the SEC conference schedule will see just how good this missouri team is. it’s not the pac12 or the big10 of course, but i’ll be tough to go undefeated in the SEC. they have to play florida again (at florida), and have yet to play kentucky (twice).
1. Agree, before the victory over Florida, not much in terms of strong opponents. Assuming they continue to play well, the only match in which Missouri won’t be favored is at Florida on 11/15.
1. agree but nice to see Florida not having a cakewalk in the SEC, the most overrated conference ever.
2. yep, nothing yet on the RPI, which has been on Monday the past 2 weeks.
Up one spot in the RPI
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weeklyrpi/2013WVBrpi1.html
Nebraska was idle and got screwed. Fell five places from #8 to #13.
#7 Nebraska lost to Purdue so they dropped.
San Diego was the one who got screwed. They went 2-0 last week and fell from 13 to 20.
7. Nebraska lost last week at home, to Purdue
see new RPI thread
arizona went from #30 in the RPI to #17. that’s a major jump.
arizona moving into the top 25 of the RPI also helps the ‘nitty gritty’ of hawaii’s schedule, showing that hawaii is now 3-1 versus top 25 RPI teams, and 6-1 against top 50 RPI teams. even if hawaii’s RPI slips into the mid-teens (which i still think is unlikely to happen), then that ‘nitty gritty’ breakdown of hawaii’s schedule is a favorable one that will help them get a seed (hopefully). the other teams hovering in the mid-teens in the RPI do not have a winning record against top 25 teams (at least that’s how it’s playing out right now). all of that bodes well for hawaii …
… but we’ve got a month left in the season, so still plenty of vball left to be played.
8. I guess but USD played at Portland and Gonzaga.
8. Agree with Cindy, Gonzaga’s record is 8-10, Portland’s is 0-18. This really impacts USD’s RPI negatively.
for san diego dropping in the polls, yes they played two teams in conference that have losing records (although gonzaga at 8-10 is better than their record suggests, imo), and portland … well, portland is winless.
but also factor in that a lot of the teams that were on san diego’s non-conference schedule also took some losses this week, including usc, san diego st, illinois, eastern washington, and iowa st. some of those teams will bounce back next week, and it could’ve just been a fluke week where all those teams took losses in one fell swoop.
i think san diego’s rpi will recover. if san diego is not seeded come tournament time, they’ll be a very dangerous 2nd round opponent for a seeded team. we’ll have to see how it plays out.
13. also impacts UH’s RPI.
cindy — the “drop” in san diego’s rpi number is not what will affect hawaii’s rpi. it’s whether san diego keeps winning (which they are doing!).
whether san diego’s opponents win or lose will affect hawaii’s rpi, but less so than if san diego continues to rack up wins (here’s hoping they catch up to byu in the wcc). remember that “opponents’ win/loss percentage” comprises 50% of the rpi formula, while “opponents’ opponents’ win/loss” makes up 25%.
16. yes, i know, have said all along what UH needs is for the teams they played to keep winning. However Portland being 0-18 does not help.
didn’t the lady huskers split @ home with Indiana and Purdue?
Stanford, also in the top 10 playing@ home, split with WSU and WASH, yet moved up a notch. Hawaii, idle, moved. Great coaching barometer of the top 10 teams. We are approaching the half-mark in conference play, so this is a great view of the national landscape as teams jockey for the stretch run.
Hawaii is in a great position to host provided they take of business in an unheralded conference with surprises. UCSB took care of CSN, thus validating their win over Hawaii…. and further, they are the team to beat in the BWC, having knocked-off #1 and #2….wins this season across the board and from coast to coast will need to be earned!
14. What you say is true, but when you add in 8-28 w-l record to your 50% RPI component, that far outweighs a couple of losses from opponents you have already played. The larger negative impact came from playing portland and gonzaga. Got worse when other non-conf. opponents also lost.
15. Absolutely true, but the impact is to the thousandths or tens of thousandths decimal place.
16. technically, if USD’s rpi is negatively impacted by a USD loss or USD opponent’s loss/bad record, then UH’s rpi will be negatively impacted. The former is part of the 50% rpi component and the latter is part of the second 25% rpi component (although the relative impact on this latter component is significantly less than the other two components)
17. More specifically, UH needs its non-conference opponents to keep on winning.
I guess its fun speculating the RPI and poll standings of other schools and esp. UH but its really disgusting and annoying…The bottom line is UH has to win out…they have to go undefeated the rest of the season and be consistent in their play which they haven’t been lately esp. playing in the BW Conference…. Anyway, we should all be talking about the team going undefeated and then just let the cards fall where ever as UH has no control where they will be placed or if they can or will and definitely should host the first two games of the regionals..oh, well..sorry…..just its nauseating seeing everybody talking about RPI’s etc…..the main thing is going undefeated for the remainder of the season and then speculate at the end where Hawaii will be placed etc…
21. Well, we don’t want your nausea to cause you to throw up in your mouth. That being said, a few comments:
(a) I’ve already stated UH probably needs to win out to have any chance of hosting rounds 1 and 2
(b) Many of us are not annoyed, disgusted or nauseated by the discussion of RPI, which is integral to whether a team hosts or not. Some of us even enjoy it. And in a bye week when UH only played alumnae, forgive us if we are a bit hungry for something to talk about.
(c) As this blog is for all and not just one, you have the option of tolerating our nauseating discussions, starting your own blog where you can control the discussion, and/or just simply stop reading.
I’m not getting too wrapped up in it since there is over a month left in the season. But you folks are welcome to debate and dissect the rankings. agree that there hasn’t been much else to discuss since it was a bye week for the Wahine. Other than who got Married (Juliana Sanders to Brian Beckwith, those are going to be tall children) who is expecting (Elizabeth Ka’aihue-Stolzman) and who recently had a baby (Jocelyn Robins Akana)
There is a new thread on the RPI if you want to move the discussion over there.
i think talking about the RPI is a good thing. a lot of folks don’t understand it. talking about it helps bridge the gap in understanding. (how much it helps … that i have no idea.)
talking about it won’t make it any less palatable, but at least when everyone starts saying at the end of the season that the RPI (and the ncaa selection committee) screwed hawaii again … maybe they’ll also understand a little bit more why it happened. (hopefully it won’t happen this year though. 🙂 )
I enjoy the diverse comments, insights, contributions and shared passion for the wahine except those that are cult-based….get over it, we cant all look alike or think alike. Cindy, thank you for providing a forum to share, especially for the RPI gurus. It is very relevant and engaging to read.
Hawaii never played Portland. They played Portland State, but not Portland. Just thought I would mention that. Portland’s 0-18 record shouldn’t affect Hawaii, unless I am missing something.
26. See 20 above for clarification on portland
26. the only reason Portland is mentioned is because they play San Diego, which was a UH opponent. Opponents of UH opponents factor into the RPI.
ok. now i understand, thanks Cindy & Maverick