As for the RPI, UH at No. 3

A good base to start at. But all UH can do is keep on winning and hope the teams they played keep winning as well.

1. Texas

2. USC

3. Hawaii

4. Florida

5. Penn State


  1. kimo browner October 7, 2013 4:08 pm

    Coach Shoji scheduled the Texas game after the Longhorns became national champs in 2012.

    My point in my previous post on a different thread was Coach Shoji deliberately went for the homerun in his scheduling this year knowing that an early win over Texas would place the wahine in a favorable post-season selection position. As I mentioned, it was a huge gamble that is paying dividends. Again, kudos to the master.

  2. OrbitalRipZ October 7, 2013 4:16 pm

    Re: 1st NCAA RPI of the 2013 D1 Women’s Volleyball Season

    Of the 322 teams, I think the top 40 in RPI have a better than 50-50 chance to win berths into the 64-team field, while those 41-70+ in RPI are probably “bubble” teams (unless they win their conference championship outright).


    Pac-12 = 9 out of the 12 conference members are in the top 40 ~ and if all 9 get in, that will be a new record for the Pac-12

    Big Ten = 8/12 are in the top 40 ~ and if all 8 get in, I think that will tie the Big Ten record

    Southeastern = 6/13

    Big 12 = 4/12

    West Coast = 3/10

    Atlantic Coast = 3/15

    Big East = 2/9

    5 other conferences have 1 team each in the top 40:

    Big West = 1/9 (Cal State Northridge @ 53 and UC Irvine @ 63)
    Atlantic 10 = 1/9
    C-USA = 1/13
    Mid-American [MAC] = 1/12
    Mountain West = 1/11

    Obviously, there are many ways you can interpret the RPI, but the only way that matters is LOOKING GOOD. And for the Bows, that they are …but got to keep looking over their shoulders and as a team got to keep looking after each other.

    Go Bows!

  3. ALLAN October 7, 2013 4:21 pm


  4. Ashley October 7, 2013 8:31 pm

    #3 that’s so funny. but hey, it’s never too late for Dave to offer up so word of advice to Norm. we all know he needs it desperately.

  5. Grammy October 8, 2013 1:28 am

    Coach Dave knew the Texas team was returning a solid team, BUT he also knew what he was going to return with. And I suspect that he wanted to take his chances on night #1 with out giving Texas scouting time by playing in front of them 2 times before facing them. I’m sure the Texas coaches would have ‘adjusted’ their rotations and lineups earlier and been more prepared with some lead time. But gamble paid off and will pay off in RPI all the way to end. Even San Diego is paying off. So Coach Dave scheduled right and won an early gamble. Yeah, he’s crazy…. Crazy like a fox! He’s not the winningest coach in Women’s volleyball by chance but by skill and knowing his team’s chances. Go Wahine!

  6. Cubicle1126 October 8, 2013 10:40 am

    Did anyone catch the Call the Coach on the radio last night? Anyone care to take a stab at summarizing some of highlights? Thanks in advance …

  7. LC October 8, 2013 11:05 am

    Most of these shows are a rehash of the previous week.

    One thing that stuck in my mind was Shoji had a meeting with the other coaches,thinks they are becoming too easy to scout and they will be trying out some new stuff and adding new wrinkles but it doesn’t involve changing player positions.

  8. hollycow October 8, 2013 11:19 am

    6. Cubicle, try the Not By Reason blog, Monday Oct 7 post in the remark column.

  9. Cubicle1126 October 8, 2013 11:33 am

    thank you both

  10. Beauston October 8, 2013 2:06 pm

    At LC- thanks for sharing!
    Glad to hear Shoji is capitalyzing that he currently have and changing things up to add more depth on their offense.

  11. Grammy October 8, 2013 3:49 pm

    #7 I think it might be double quick attacks when Mita or Tayler set from backrow rotatition or X involving middle and backrow attacking same side probably with Ashley, Tai, or Ginger because Em hits so regularly out of bacrow it wouldn’t be unexpected. But whatever it is I’m very confident this group is more than capable of executing it both athletically and with positive results. Really looking forward to more than high outside and slides. We got the players, we need the diversity and BW competition only offers limited resistance, challenge team to do more and sharpen and expand options before NCAAs. Go Wahine!

  12. Cindy Luis October 8, 2013 10:08 pm

    Appreciate the help LC. Caught a little bit of the show while I was driving.
    This is the time of year that they usually add a few wrinkles. But it is true that UH is the easiest to scout in the country given the amount of media coverage of the team and the quality of the broadcasts by OCSports.
    but as we know everything is predicated on passing well.

  13. Cindy Luis October 8, 2013 10:22 pm

    5. Grammy we addressed the issue of how that tournament schedule was established back in August. It was not a matter of Texas and Hawaii playing the first night to avoid Texas scouting Hawaii.
    Texas was leaving early Sunday morning so they had to play once on Friday, twice on Saturday.
    Hawaii did not want to play Texas and San Diego on consecutive nights.
    so the only way it could happen was for Texas and UH to play Friday.

  14. OrbitalRipZ October 9, 2013 3:56 am

    Re: Shoji & RPI … I remember just a few years ago when bloggers were screaming OFF WITH HIS HEAD when the season’s first RPI was released. Wahine fan after fan complained that Shoji — who back in the day always touted the AVCA Polls as the main validation for hosting Rounds 1-2 –needed to learn how to schedule the non-conference season to incorporate tricks of the RPI trade. Obviously the complaints did not fall on deaf ears.

    Re: 12 …”as we know everything is predicated on passing well” … but a tough serve/ service ace makes the passing moot

    Question to Cindy or to anyone who has access to NCAA archives: Is the No. 3 RPI of the current season the highest “first RPI of the season” that the Bows has ever achieved?

    Thursday Side Out (In the ‘Who Cares’ Department) : Minnesota — picked to finished 2nd to Penn State — travels to the Lions den today to see if they can send a message to the rest of the Big Ten that they are contenders and not pretenders to the throne.

  15. LanaiBoy October 9, 2013 10:04 am

    Re: Call the Coach (from the Not for Reason Blog “Comment” Section). Personally, did not catch the broadcast.

    Question #1 Why does Manu-Olevao start over Kastl? Answer: Tai is more versatile and athletic. Kastl has accepted her role on the team.

    Question #2 What is the role of Robin Ah Mow? Answer: Obviously she works with the setters. She also works with the middles and right-side hitters. She assists with administration as well as coaching. She is known for her “bark,” which is far worse than her bite. She is known to bark at Coach Shoji too (I’m sure he said that with a smile).

    Question #3 Will Nikki Taylor be playing basketball? Answer: Definitely not. By the way she is closer to 6’4″ rather than her listed height of 6’3″.

    Question #4 What things will the Bows be working on in the future? Answer: Hawaii has been too easy to scout and has been pretty predictable. Hawaii will be working on some new wrinkles in its offense and defense to make it more difficult for opponents to prepare for the team.

    Question #5 What is Shoji”s relationship with Brian Gimmilaro? Answer: They respect and do talk with each other. Brian works his teams hard. They are in the same boat and have common interests—members of a mid-major, non-BCS conference that lack the financial resources of major conference schools.

    Miscellany comments: Some Wahine fans could not attend the Irvine match because it was sold out. Probably over half of the fans were from Hawaii. Emily Hartong, as far as Shoji knows, has never skipped a class in her college career.

  16. Cubicle1126 October 9, 2013 10:53 am

    i’m beginning to see why olevao is starting over kastl. the “versatility” comment from shoji is right. over the course of the season, taylor is taking more and more swings from the left (where she is seemingly very effective), even as she continues to lineup as the opposite. this would shift the left-side hitter who is in the front row (olevao) to the right side. and olevao appears to be more comfortable hitting on the right than kastl is. and olevao also appears to be a better blocker (on either pin) than kastl. having olevao and taylor both in the lineup allows both of them to take swings from either the right or left, depending on matchups that the coaches maybe want to take advantage of … without too much of a drop off.

    the key to olevao staying in the lineup (imo) will be if her passing holds up, and her hitting doesn’t tank. she’s otherwise a solid blocker, and back row defender. her blocking especially has been solid the last couple matches.

  17. turfwar October 9, 2013 1:04 pm

    Hawaii vs Long Beach State starting now on Fox Sports. Wed. 1pm

  18. Beauston October 9, 2013 1:40 pm

    Watching Minnesota at PSU now, Minnesota continue to have a lackluster performance right where they left off against Nebraska. They are so much better offensively but their defense is not there with the exception of blocking.

  19. Beauston October 9, 2013 1:41 pm

    Early on set 1 PSU getting a lot of easy kills from Minnesota’s back row players

  20. Beauston October 9, 2013 3:01 pm

    Minnesota figured out how overrated PSU is and tightened up their defense. Took set 2 and now leading set 3.

  21. Beauston October 9, 2013 3:12 pm

    Wahine ought to peek at Big 10’s play book.
    Really impressed oh how smart their hitters are on when to hit hard and when to ding. Would benefit the Wahine greatly comes tournament time.

  22. Beauston October 9, 2013 5:11 pm

    PSu won in 5. Minnesota needs a better defense.

  23. Grammy October 9, 2013 5:57 pm

    Cindy, e kala mai! The blogs go so long and repititiously, even reading selective sometimes leaves me confused. I do try and read and understand all of tour psts as I respect you highly as an authoritative and knowledgeable insider in the Wahine universe. Just get excited occasionally and mixed up on the totality of the blog, Again, my fault and not meant to dismiss you in ant way, you are my favorite and most anticipated source of all things Rainbow Wahine Volletball. Go Wahine! And mahalo and aloha, Cindy and Ann, too for all your time and work.

  24. Cindy Luis October 9, 2013 6:03 pm

    Grammy it can ramble on with a number of topics, in part because I’m not on every day to start new threads.
    I was at the Polynesian Hall of Fame announcement earlier and had to finish that story first. before getting to the blog. sorry

  25. Cindy Luis October 9, 2013 6:24 pm

    14. I don’t remember anyone here screaming ‘off with his head.’
    The RPI is a relatively new tool being used by the selection committee.
    Shoji has traditionally tried to schedule as tough as he can but it is also a matter of who is willing to come here. just as with recruiting, just because you want someone (Player or Team) doesn’t mean they’re going to commit.
    Shoji has never ‘touted’ the AVCA polls as validation of hosting; he has said that they usually are truer to who the top teams in the country are than some computer, which has begun to take on a BCS-bias (IMHO). However, he has changed his mind about poll saying the coaches are now voting in their best interests and protecting ‘their conferences’ now that the poll will be considered as part of the criteria.
    The RPI wasn’t always as transparent as it is now. But I believe No. 3 is about the highest UH has ever been to start.

  26. OrbitalRipZ October 10, 2013 1:51 am

    Re: 25 That parts of the federal government is shut down is no fault of mine. That parts of another individual’s memory is shut down is no concern of mine. I stand by what I said, except (for the record) no Red Queen screamed off with his head. It was just an off-hand remark I made that in retrospect makes no sense. A better quote would have been, “It gets curiouser and curiouser.” (IMHO.)

    Found it interesting that the Star-Ad’s Billy Hull ran with the story about two Hawaii frosh on the undefeated Missouri team. I mentioned the same Missouri team starting 2 Hawaii frosh at least a week ago (if not 2 weeks ago) on this same blog. But kudos to Billy Hull for the article in Wednesday’s (10/9/13) Star-Ad. Someone thought highly enough of this story to highlight it on the front page.

    And thanks again to Ann Miller for alerting everyone to the date of the release of the season’s first RPI. Really look forward to reading her profiles of the 3 seniors she hasn’t yet covered.

  27. LC October 10, 2013 6:47 am

    LOL, You needed Miller to tell you when the RPI would be out ?

  28. Cindy Luis October 10, 2013 10:44 am

    ORZ, that Billy wrote the story on Missouri freshmen purely coincidental. Don’t even know if he reads my blog
    We (the sports department) are on numerous SID mailing lists and they are always alerting us to how athletes from Hawaii are doing at mainland colleges. His Hawaii Grown weekly.
    As for the RPI. it had been mentioned that it usually was released the first Monday of October. which was before Ann mentioned it in her story
    As for off-hand remarks, get too many of them to try to interpret beyond what it is written.
    so down the rabbit hole we go.

  29. Maverick October 10, 2013 11:30 am

    Cindy, you have the patience of Job.

  30. Cubicle1126 October 10, 2013 12:01 pm

    OrbitalRipZ — i’m not sure your criticism is a valid one (that Shoji had issues scheduling with an eye towards the RPI). it was one season (last year) when Hawaii did not have a high enough RPI to be seeded (and ultimately, Hawaii was close and just on the bubble last year). But in Hawaii’s history — and even in recent history with the RPI being used more heavily by the selection committee — hawaii has always been seeded when they’ve made the tournament. last year was an anomaly when the schedule just didn’t work out as successful (from an RPI standpoint). i think, for the most part, shoji has been pretty good and putting together an RPI-favorable schedule.

    what Shoji may say publicly about the AVCA ranking of his teams (to hype up the issue in the media) … versus what he actually does behind the scenes in putting together a scheduling that has nearly always given them a good enough RPI to be seeded … well, those are two separate things. (most folks would more readily and easily what a voters’ poll is, than what the RPI is…)

  31. Purple&Gold October 10, 2013 3:56 pm

    I’m NOT kalohe, I’ve said!

    but TOO choice to pass up:
    ” …get too many of them to try to interpret beyond what it is written.
    so down the rabbit hole we go. ”

    &Apparent to those who know the game, for sure.

    “Our team is pretty established,” Shoji said. “Our starting group is established now. We’re moving Nikki (Taylor) and Tai (Manu-Olevao) around a little — Tai some on the right and Nikki some on the left — but besides that we’re pretty simple. I don’t want to complicate things and I don’t think we need any major changes. WE’RE PRETTY GOOD.”

    “All the other teams in the top 16 are going to lose a couple more in conference,” Shoji said. “I don’t really think we have to run the table. One loss doesn’t hurt your winning percentage a whole lot, but we want to win one at a time, we’re not talking about running the table.

    Differences..those differences.

  32. LC October 10, 2013 4:09 pm

    RPI help so far this week:

    Texas beat Texas Tech yesterday

    Today so far:
    NMS beat Chi State
    Portland State beat N.Colorado
    Santa Clara 1-1 with BYU at the break
    San Diego vs San Fran U just underway.

  33. Purple&Green October 10, 2013 4:28 pm


  34. Msrpantoja1@Huh.'A'loha October 10, 2013 4:35 pm

    A “6-2”.

  35. LC October 10, 2013 6:09 pm

    Watched CSUN beat LBSU 3-1 at CSUN, pretty good blocking team,out blocked LBSU 15-6.

    They sure don’t draw a lot of fans.Only 613 at tonight’s match against LBSU.

  36. LanaiBoy October 10, 2013 6:15 pm

    CS Northridge beat Long Beach State to remain unbeaten in the Big West at 4-0. LBS is 1-3. San Diego Swept the San Francisco Dons as expected, 16, 12, 22. UC Irvine and UC Davis are tied at 2 sets apiece. All tied in the fifth at 6.

  37. tako October 10, 2013 8:03 pm

    Wahine have to two real tough games this week, however, they will 3-0 both matches – that’s just a prediction. Go Wahine and in your wake a “Rainbow” shines

  38. LC October 11, 2013 7:59 am

    Lets call it… A Little Help From Our Friends.

    According to all the experts all we need to do to maintain our RPI at a high level is keep winning and hope the teams that we played also keep winning.

    So far not a bad week . Only loss was Santa Clara’s loss to BYU but this weekend brings a loaded schedule.

    At the end of the day tally the votes from today’s action.

    Matches today:

    UTEP – Mid Tenn
    UCLA – Oregon – Note If UCLA can get back to winning they would be a BIG help.
    Northwestern – Indiana
    AZ – Washington
    South Dakota – Denver U
    Creighton – De Paul
    WSU – Ill. State

  39. LC October 11, 2013 9:00 am

    UCLA – Oregon on ESPNU 5 pm HST.

  40. OrbitalRipZ October 11, 2013 9:46 am

    Outside of the two Wahine matches, not much by way of huge national matchups this weekend:

    Oct 11 [Friday]
    #4 Florida hosts #23 Kentucky : In the Preseason Poll of SEC Coaches, Florida was picked 1st, Kentucky 2nd

    Oct 12 [Saturday]
    #7 Nebraska @ #9 Michigan State after visiting #27 Michigan the prior day

    Oct 13 [Sunday]
    #10 Creighton hosts #15 Marquette : In the Preseason Poll of Big East Coaches, Creighton picked 1st, Marquette 2nd

    [The number preceding the name of the team indicates its current NCAA RPI, not its current AVCA ranking. It is no given, but you can expect any team with a RPI of 32 and under to be among those who’ll receive automatic bids or at-large berths to the post-season 64-team Big Dance.]

  41. OrbitalRipZ October 11, 2013 9:53 am

    Re: 28 “As for the RPI. it had been mentioned that it usually was released the first Monday of October” …. Oh really? That’s news to me, and I’ve been following the RPI since near its incorporation. Can you give the link/source of your fact?

  42. Cindy Luis October 11, 2013 12:58 pm

    Yes, really. it was mentioned here last month that it would be out beginning of october when someone asked me when. and I thought it would be a Monday since that’s when it has been released.
    then people began posting rich kern and several other simulated RPI like Pablo.

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