A sensible deal
To understand the triumph of the football Warriors joining the Mountain West, go back to 1998. As one UH official said: The Mountain West was created to get away from UH.
Now, the Mountain West realizes what it should have known then: The Warriors bring a lot to the table. Even Boise State, Fresno State and Nevada — all of whom supported the invitation — realize that.
From a population of about 1.5 million, UH’s pay-per-view and television contract generates about $4.5 million annually, of which UH’s share is $2.5 million. That’s potential revenue that now can be shared with the Mountain West. Boise, Fresno and Reno don’t bring added television assets; and if Boise State doesn’t get into a BCS game, it doesn’t bring anything at all. Boise basketball? Sure, as good as Boise surfing. Broncos don’t even have a baseball team.
The Warriors also will be ponying up travel subsidies, an act so generous that, out of embarrassment, it has been dubbed “cost sharing.” The San Diego State AD estimated that it could amount to $150,000 to $175,000 per trip to the islands. A Mountain West team actually could pay more to go to Boise, Reno or Fresno than to travel to Hawaii.
The thing is, all of this could have been the Mountain West’s in 1999, the league’s inaugural season. But by forming the league in a hush-hush meeting at the Denver International Airport — by the way, try getting past TSA now — none of the schemers bothered to ask UH if it would contribute to, uh, cost sharing. UH had once done that in a modified form to WAC visitors, and it surely would have agreed to it back then.
How does that song go? Sometimes the one thing you’re looking for is the only thing you can’t see.
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As I understand it, the Mountain West football teams travel by charter to games. Shouldn’t this open up the possibility that, maybe, UH should travel by charter, too? Sure beats hanging out in Ogden for seven hours, flying to Vegas, then scampering a mile to the next terminal because Southwest and Hawaiian don’t share the same gates.
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1st!!!
Whoo-hoo!
Been a long time!
Congratulations, again, to the leaders who can keep a secret a secret.
Nice.
Good nearly afternoon, Mr. Tsai.
Goooooooooo Navy beat the grunts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To stay with the WAC would have cost us more. Congratulations to all. The future looks bright.
Will the state still kick in the cash for UH travel expenses?
Good Deal!
Top Ten….
#7 – If he’s smart he will.
Go Army! Beat Navy! Even though it’s a long shot, gotta go with what uniform I wear.
I think the state will kick in money, but not immediately. Don’t want the Mountain West to start asking for, you know, food on those flights to Hawaii.
Pomai . . .
Thought about a new bowl score before I woke up this morning.
41 – 28 us, as usual!
Yawwn!, just got out of bed, is it still “a done deal?” al? 🙂
Imagine if the Army Reserves had a football team. And what would you be called if you were a backup for the Reserves?
The positive tax returns to the state will, hopefully, offset the travel outlay. Especially if those teams plan to buy or eat anything during their stay.
Always surprised how much stuff costs there.
Going to cheer for neither Navy nor Army.
They have weapons and I do not want to be caught in the middle.
Lunch break.
Chili dogs. Yum!
Top 25 (like UH will be after bowl win).
Anyone check out the 2011 football schedule?
Every game is winnable. The most difficult are Washington and Nevada on the road. But both will have new quarterbacks.
Now the important question is should there be a congratulatory cc this week? I am after all off the rest of the year!
Yayyy! Top 25!!
So if the MWC teams fly on charter jets here won’t there be room for more than just the team and its personnel?
Will the visiting team be allowed to sell the extra seats and pocket the revenue?
Would that work for the Warriors? I think I remember some disgruntlement (is that a word?) about that kind of arrangement to/from NOLA.
Sept. 3 — Colorado
Sept. 10 — At Washington
Sept. 17 — At UNLV
Sept. 24 — UC Davis
Nov. 26 — Tulane
Doesn’t UH need one more non-conference game since Boise State is leaving? Is BYU on the schedule?
I thought the problem with the NOLA trip was that a marketing guy brought his girlfriend and her two children …
I will be the first to call our win/lost record for 2011 – 13-0 with a BCS Bowl win. That my story an I’m sticken with it.
GOOD MORNING HAWAII!
Top 25?
POMAI – I’m with you #20.
K. Mark Takai – when I was in the service – us grunts cheered for Navy – probably because we couldn’t stand our officers – all Southerners who thought they were the reincarnation of Robert E.Lee!
Second time this morning I couldn’t connect to blog site…this must be an intentional move right??
have a great day folks!
what!?, no mo any new recruits verbing?
… then again, the head of the state ethics commission got fired.
McTruck:
Can’t have too much dessert at one meal.
Pomai,
Wednesday.
Cattle Call
Wednesday, 11:30 am
Thelma’s Restaurant
94-366 Pupupani Street, Waipahu
Westgate Shopping Center
Respond with: I going Tell Ma! to RSVP (just for headcount, they don’t take reservations)
ST what is the # of a typical travel squad including staff?
Well d1 I guess I goin I going Tell Ma!
I just don’t get the headline title of “UH accepts pricey move”? Now it puts out a public perception of one step forward, two steps back. Was there any other option for the headline title Mr blog host?
Mr. Tsai –
I was wondering, travel subsidy, “cost sharing”, the numbers the San Diego AD’s been throwing around, why not simply say UH, to get into the Mountain West more so than the Big West, bought it’s way in.
It pretty much sounds like “Hey, let us in guys”. “The WAC really sucks and I tell you what, if you let us in we’ll pay all travel costs, pick up the tab.”
Sound about right…?
#33 – does seem kind of negative doesn’t it.
Plan A: Sit at the same table with penny ante and complain about the other players’ small kini
Plan B: Move to other table with higher “Price of Poker”
Happy Holidays Everyone!
Go Warriors!
Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe an editor writes the headlines not the reporter
Pooh:
Yep, UH bought a table.
D1 –
You know, I think I like that, “The price of poker”.
al:
see, even our esteemed leader is missing the BYU game on 12/3/2011!!
and, thank you and Kazz for your posts responding to mine “re” lack of posts on BYU game.
i had an early prediction of a 12-2 season in 2011.
i thought byu was on dec 3?
Time to, “Ante up!” Sports Fans!
Maybe a good time for Garret or somebody to do a quick trip around AQ-ville and list some season ticket prices and seat license fees….
Why don’t we tell them to call it a MWC donation and then UH can get a tax write off. 🙂
got it ahouse.
the beat writer is not creative enough to write his own headlines. so he is being told. i think it is a job security ploy.
so no get smart…otherwise.
i going tell ma.
Wondering –
One of the options for UH was staying put in the WAC, where correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Hawaii helps any team with travel “cost sharing” right….?
Anyway, the way future of the WAC looks, it’s pretty safe to assume the Warriors would do very well, win a lot of games.
Going to the MWC to rejoin the group that stuck it to you over a decade ago, and basically pick-up their travel expenses, air travel that is…..
Well, I’m just thinking out loud here, Warriors “middle of the pack” in the MWC…..
Thoughts….
From a competitive standpoint, UH had to make the move.
But it is indeed a pricy move: UH has to pay subsidies to MWC and Big Wes visiting teams.
And I think UH will miss the ESPN exposure.
Then again, UH felt it might eventually have to pay subsidies if it remained in the WAC.
Morning folks!
I would think a more reasonable offer would be to offset the proposed airfare cost with what it would cost a mainland team to fly to the other MWC schools. Seems UH is footing the entire bill. It’s like UNLV paying the cost of airfare (minus accomodations) for Boise State to fly down to Vegas.
But then again, obviously UH wanted to be a part of the MWC more than the MWC and they had to make an offer that was attractive. Although it sounds like a bribe, what else can UH do?
Villanova headed to another FCS championship?
if they were on it…
hawaiian airlines and the warriors would be sitting at the table right now hammering out a travel package which includes a charter agreement.
then, once the details are hammered out, they can go ahead with a huge ‘H’ logo on the jet that also has “the warriors fly Hawaiian”.
otherwise, snooze you lose. southwest and alaska air would swoop on that one real quick and jump in on the two way charters.
a hawaii only deal could be struck with all ten mwc members and that would get hawaiian air in all those cities as well putting their stamp on the local team before these new competitors gain any kind of momemtum.
POOH:
You are correct that, for now, UH would not pay subsidies to WAC teams. And I’m not sure if that would ever come up. Texas State, Texas-San Antonio and Denver entered the WAC thinking it would not receive subsidies.
And there is something to be said about winning.
UH would have dominated in WAC football.
Now UH has to step up in all sports.
A-House
My bad. I looked at the 2011 schedule on the UH Web site.
No BYU game on that sked.
Chicken skin how we all wake up to a bright and sunny day after celebrating the news of athletic stability for UH.
On Thursday night, I was awaken from my sleep before midnight to the loud crackling of thunder and flashes of lightning. As I tried to fall back to sleep, I remembered the Twitter message claiming Hawaii fans should expect an invite the following day.
I smirked in as I dozed off again thinking how appropriate it would be to have such a landmark announcement being ushered in my elemental theatrics. The rain, the approaching storm front, the wind, the thunder and lightning. Almost like God’s way of saying, “You want it? You got it!”
Now, it has cleared. All the worries, all the sleepless nights, all the envy watching other college programs compete knowing that their athletic futures are secure, … all of that GONE.
The efforts of the UH Leadership Team came in like a storm front to wash away the dirt of the past three months.
I can’t help but think of that UH football practice I attended on August 21st. It was just days after BLACK WEDNESDAY for the WAC. I spent that entire morning just thinking about all the great memories I’ve had with friends and family at UH sporting events and all the emotions I felt as I lived vicariously through these student athletes and their successes on the court or on the field. It was hard to see the possibility that it could all come crashing down. What I wasn’t able to see at the time was 100 Warriors working their okoles off to have a great 2010 season. It should have been clear to me, but it wasn’t.
Then something happened. As the practice came to an end, the speakers on the field started blaring music. The morning was soon filled with loud cheers and players singing along to Bob Seger’s “I Wanna Get Lost in Your Rock and Roll”. It was eerie in a way to me to watch 11 on 11’s play out with this song playing in the background. Soon, I was almost brought to tears when lyrics like “thanks for the joy that you’ve given me…” (self-explanatory) and “I want you to know that I believe in your song” (thought of the UH Alma Mater, Co-Ed, and “Fight For Old Hawaii”… yes, I do believe in these songs.) made me think of my experiences with UH sports.
I left UH that day not knowing what was to happen. I privately shed a few tears at night tossing and turning… Still not knowing.
A week or so later, I attended the opening night of Rainbow Wahine Volleyball. As usual Jim Donovan was at the main gate greeting fans and welcoming them to the first official sporting event of the UH athletic season for 2010-2011. I usually don’t hesitate going up to him to shake his hand, but this time I did. As I went back out to meet some friends to get them their tickets, I approached Donovan right after the National Anthem and Hawaii Pono I. he remembered me by face, I shook his hand, he smiled, and I jokingly asked him if he has slept well recently. He nodded. He said something I couldn’t remember and I am sure I nodded as well. However, he said something to me as I walked away.
He said with quiet confidence: “Kazz, we’ll be ok.”
Really…?
Okay, I’m just figuring this out now.
Hawaii has to pay travel in the Big West as well….?
I thought it was just MWC because of football!
Pomai–
UH-Tulsa game:
45-14 gigi
45-21 Mr. Gigi
I don’t care whether UH pays travel subsidies, hotel stays or even for Christmas parties. Any league is better than independence. Even a UH official admitted that. But it was a nice bluff.
I’m wrapping my thoughts around the “Price of playing Poker” philosophy, at the same time, I can’t help thinking to myself…..
By picking up air travel costs, seems like most or all air travel cost by the sounds of it, isn’t that a lot of money….? I mean a lot of money.
I’m asking now, is it worth it?
It does sound good, and the prospects of playing MWC teams in football especially, are more attractive than the future WAC looks, no doubt.
POOH:
Big West commissioner said he expects UH to contribute to “cost sharing.”
Makes sense. Big West currently is an all-California conference.
On the bright side, there still will be home-and-home games. Commish says that preserves the integrity of basketball.
Cost sharing = payment for a MWC team to “charter” a plane to play at Hawaii – how much control does Hawaii have on this agreement?
For example, UH pays for coaching/medical/training staff and players. But not for others who will be flying in for the game; ie, spouses, etc. If the MWC still imposes a 60-player limit plus 20-25 coaching/medical staff, that makes 80-95 seats on a plane. Most if not all “long distance” planes carry upwards of 185 passengers. This means there are at least 90-95 extra seats on a chartered plane. Me thinks, the quoted price of $125K – $150k gives any visiting team a charted flight with extra space to sell seats and pocket $$$. Some will argue that is the price UH must pay for entry. Fine, but should there not be “equality” in the transaction? Again, I see a “bashing” of Hawaii by conference teams to “fatten” their bottom line.
another concern has to do with TV rights – will, say, Oceanic have to “bid” for the rights to televise the MWC tv contract games live and for how much? Giving up tv games we are accustomed to for ZERO? Yes, acknowledge that the “nitty gritty” is still a work in progress, but—-.
Perhaps, when it is acknowleded what Hawaii brings to the conference is LARGE in terms of income, perhaps more than any conference member, the MWC will voluntarily delete the “cost sharing” burden placed on UH. Trust me, I will not hold my breath on this one!!!!!!
That Mr. Tsai, I agree 100%.
Independent to me, would have been a “near death” experience for UH.
I view travel subsidies as paying a guarantee to a visiting team.
$150,000 is a small guarantee.
Then again, it’s $150,000 per four teams it didn’t have to pay before.
Then again, UH has saved a few bucks by not paying Aloha Stadium rent the past few years.
had we not entered the mwc…the university of hawaii athletics program as we know it would have eventually faded in to the sunset. without a healthy football program to carry everyone else…the black hole awaited.
the trickle down effect would have affected thousands of us. the economic loss would have cost so many folks jobs, income, revenue, etc. to give you an idea, although not as impactful as say the shutdown of the naval shipyard the effects would still have cost this state millions of dollars.
this is such a huge turn of events. it is probably the most historic day in the life of the hawaii athletics program.
kudos to the leadership team who kept at it when all seemed lost. and jimmy d. what a job, what vision, and the man behind the scenes rockne freitas. all who displayed the importance of an independently run university system.
there are many to acknowledge including all the panel members of the bwc and the mwc.
we also need to thank byu, utah, and tcu who’s exodus from the mwc was significant in our invitation.
yes, jimmy d. what a christmas present!
…nuff said
I think there it way more to this deal than just money. We have to remember that these are actual students who have to study and take classes. How much more time do these students have to study if they are only flying to California instead of Ruston or Texas? All those layovers and bus rides, I think they can spend taking tests or doing homework. The WAC might let UH play back to back games in Texas, but that is still 2 weeks away from the classroom. It would be worse if we have to fly to Ruston one week and another week flyback to Texas, that would really put a strain on the student part of the student-athlete.
kazz…you could have saved yourself all that grief if you listened to these words.
“it’s a done deal.”
GO ARMY (for Mark, Kekoa, BG, Pauoa Boy, etc)
GO NAVY (for Sailor Blue and pals)
FOOTBALL!!!
Al –
But wouldn’t the MWC by so much more awesome if Utah, BYU and TCU were in the mix right now, monster conference yeah!
Pooh in Sigh:
Were you at the UNLV game 4 years ago?
There were 4 or 5 UH fans who sat right in front of us and they had a sign and slogan of POOH IN SIGH. At first I was confused and then the lite went on and it meant scoring a TD!!
al your on the right track with Hawaiian air, but what I would like to see is Hawaiian make up a travel package for both the teams coming here and us going to the mainland. Say the team takes up 100 seats, that would leave about 150 seats that they could offer the fans so they could travel with their teams. I heard a long time ago that if a plane was 40% full everything after that was profit. They would make a pretty penny with the fans that travel with the team and the team could fly free.
A-House:
You have to look at it the way Fred Mertz did when he and Ethel didn’t want to pay the Ricardos for the ride from New York to California.
The back seat comes with the car.
When you fill up gas for the plane, it doesn’t matter how many seats are filled.
Then again (my new favorite expression), I tried that logic on my insurance company when I got hit from behind and the right side of my bumper was dented. Company said it would pay for half a bumper. I said you can’t buy half a bumper. Didn’t matter. Only got a check for half a bumper.
Al,
After several years now, you should know I hear others, but listen to myself.
Did you see this? Food for next year.
http://tinyurl.com/2doyyr7
2010 Heisman Trophy Finalists: Meet Cam Newton’s Accompaniment
” I’m having a hard time justifying Moore’s selection over Nevada Wolf Pack QB Colin Kaepernick. Well, over other players besides just Kaepernick too, dozens of whom play defense or offensive line, but if we need a WAC QB, why not take the one who contributed the conference’s second-most total yards per game (behind Hawaii Warriors QB Bryant Moniz — wait, why not Moniz too?) and led the conference’s best offense?”
Re: charters.
Actually, teams want empty seats on the plane.
The old Aloha flights had three seats on the left, three on the right. Players would take the aisle and window seats, leaving the middle one open.
Al,
Besides, after all that self-inflicted grief, well not completely “self inflicted”, it makes it more sweeter today.
I watched the press conference on http://www.hawaiiathletics.com last night and this time, I had the pleasure of shedding a tear or two of JOY.
This is BIGGER than the Sugar Bowl ever was.
(But still NOT bigger than statehood… or Jesus)
(BYU will return home for its first game of the season at LaVell Edwards Stadium on Sept. 17 to take on rival University of Utah. It will be the first time since Sept. 27, 1958, that the Deseret First Duel will be played during the month of September. BYU will travel to Corvallis, Ore., on Oct. 14 to take on Oregon State in a rematch of the 2009 Las Vegas Bowl.
Six games will be played against WAC schools. The Cougars will play two games on the road at Louisiana Tech and Hawaii, and four at home versus Utah State, San Jose State, Idaho and New Mexico State. )
http://www.byucougars.com/Filing.jsp?ID=14798
2011 Football Schedule
Sept. 3 at Ole Miss
Sept. 10 at Texas
Sept. 17 Utah
Sept. 23 Central Florida
Sept. 30 Utah State
Oct. 8 San Jose State
Oct. 15 at Oregon State
Oct. 22 Idaho State
Oct. 29 Bye
Nov. 5 at Louisiana Tech
Nov. 12 Idaho
Nov. 19 New Mexico State
Nov. 26 Bye
Dec. 3 at Hawaii
Is this a mistake on BYU’s part?
AL #63 – perfectly correct.
The money crunchers at UH probably have looked at the Dollars and Cents involved. It probably has factored in the cost to UH traveling to Ruston and attendant costs – our share in the MWC moneys and TV and ESPN up coming contract probably entered the equation. I don’t think we sold the farm. Garret probably has figured it out for us by now.
Hope we can work out some sort of charter deal with Hawaiian (or Alaskan or SW Air).
Some fans would need to be watched so that the players can get some peace and quiet.
Yes, Kazz, everything worked out.
UH got what it and its fans wanted.
UH is getting good recruits.
And, best of all, it stopped raining.
“POOH IN SIGH”
(das what she said…)
the travel subsidies will be offset by two things…
one, i am sure attendance for home games will increase no less than 20% from this year in just our first year, 2012, alone.
two, rainbowtique sales will increase accordingly or better.
three, ppv will still exist and some increase will also be experienced and some of it will go to our pockets.
four, (gulp) expect a price increase in all forms of ticket sales and ppv.
five, expect an increase in attendance for wvb, baseball, and basketball (which has no other way to go but up).
six, better sponsorship dollars for the teams with a more solid conference.
seven, better attendance, viewership, and importance will bring more commercial and donors bucks to the coffers.
eight, and if the governor elect holds true to his campaign issues then we could see stadium being turned over to the university of hawaii and also have funded monies for travel (er, cost sharing). if not, then jimmy d for governor in four years.
i could go on.
I suppose we could try working out a charter deal with x-airline bringing in CA teams in and out Hawaii team out of the island and then our Hawaii team coming back home and the CA being shipped out on or around the same dates.
And sell some of the surplus seats to rabid fans like Stretch!
This reminds me of an idea a friend of mine had.
Called O.L.L.M.M.A.
Ole Lady Like Lickenz Mixed Martial Arts… “We teach you how fo ground, and pound, and… slide ’em in.”
Ok, that’s enough. 😆
Quite honestly, I don’t think UH thought at all about missed school time or long flights to Ruston. Hey, you have a chance to get your dream date, you don’t quibble over costs or other things.
kazz…keeping things in perspective, amen.
#81…yes tom. charge him a premium just to sit with the boys.
Denard Robinson is third in total offense. Hmmm. Even with my public-school math, I know that 1 and 2 come before 3.
POMAI #69 – seems great minds think alike – my 81 is a duplicate of yours – sorry!
Le Bistro in Aina Haina can be pricey… 😯
pooh that is true we would have a great mwc, but, would we have been invited to the dance?
who knows…byu could come back. i think their valued tv market will diminish by playing all the wac teams.
What effect, if any, does this have on UH’s auto invite to the Hawaii bowl? Isn’t the game owned by the WAC and ESPN?
Without Hawaii in the Hawaii bowl at least once in a while, it would die, wouldn’t it?
ST,
Well, I LIKED the rain. 🙁
tommui, pomai…yes, two of the greater minds here.
now, don’t forget that on a charter flight of football players…
the coaches occupy the first class and the business class seats.
lineman get a whole row to themselves
and the poos skill guys get to share a row of three with two.
the kicker and punter get the back row with the equipment mgr.
poos = poor
they discussed hawaii bowl briefly…sounds like we are the hawaii bowl as long as we win, if not it will go to the next qualified mwc team.
methinks we can find better opponents now.
You know what all this talk about could a, should a, would a. As al says ‘it’s a done deal” it is what it is, so now it’s up to the fans to support all the teams. We need to fill up Aloha stadium, SSC, Rainbow Stadium and RWSS Stadium. We want winners yeah, well we need to be winner fans too……….
LD808,
I believe Benson was quoted saying that the Hawaii Bowl “would probably follow UH”.
He said this in a presser after our first press conference on November 18th.
Sounds like he gave up already.
I do remember reading that the MWC has no control of bowls anyway and in this case if UH got bowl eligible the Hawaii Bowl would be on ESPN with no issues.
What was mentioned is how the MWC would handle it. What was unclear is if the MWC and the other members would be happy having a bowl where Hawaii gets the invite as long as we win 7 and other bowl eligible MWC teams get left out for some reason from other bowl games.
that is a gripe of mine too.
how can the nation’s leader in passing,etc not be the best quarterback in his own league even????
(oh, i forgot he’s a system qb.)
ESPN owns the Hawaii Bowl, so it will always remain.
Not sure if UH will have favored nation status, as they like to say. I think the days of UH being the first team invited to a bowl might be over. But, yeah, if UH is bowl eligible it should be going to the Hawaii Bowl.
“Winner” fans are the ones that keep coming. NO MATTER WHAT. I’m sick of this end of a winning season and then flooding the arena/stadium non-sense.
I don’t think anyone needs to quote me on that.
We all like to support “winners” and as long as these student-athletes are busting their okoles off in every game, they’re winners to me.
Benson? Give up? Nah, not him. Never.
LOL
Tsai –
I think that’s most important – UH needs to keep it’s affiliation with the Hawaii Bowl, that’s huge.
Al – I was at UNLV game with “Pooh” sign….! Yes…..
Oh ok, so the SOLE owner is ESPN, but the obvious affiliation was with the WAC.
Hmmm… me thinks the MWC would have a hard time getting ESPN to accept other bowl eligible MWC teams into the Hawaii Bowl if Hawaii is also bowl eligible. Of course if UNLV had 8 wins and UH only had 7, I can see the MWC’s stance on the issue, but at the same time the Hawaii Bowl is now on MWC territory and a full Aloha Stadium for an MWC team in a bowl game looks better on Christmas Eve day than an empty one.
MWC should leave our exemption into the Hawaii Bowl alone.
BTW, it’s funny trying to explain the Hawaii Bowl situation to non-followers. They had no clue what happened in 2001 to a 9-3 Hawaii team… 👿
Too bad the new turf at Aloha Stadium for the fall of 2011 can’t co-incide with a a NEW conference logo being painted on the field.
But asthetically speaking, the WAC logo is better than the MWC logo.
pomai…we could have continued discussions on wednesday at tell ma’s.
those logos come off easy.
maybe the new mwc logo should have the island chain across the bottom?
great timing with the new turf…can paint em black or what?
What a great accomplishment by the UH football seniors, congrats to the 28 seniors and best wishes on your future endeavors.
From DR article in the Star Advertiser:
Speaking of school, the really great news yesterday got buried: A 100 percent graduation rate for football’s seniors this year, 28-for-28. That’s tremendous, and reminds us about the real goal of what’s going on here.
i believe that the parameters of the hawaii bowl will stay the same except that the wac is out after next year. the conf-usa might be pau too. pac12 or big12?
i want to say, “it’s a done deal”.
alternating black and green every 5 yards.
Since the MWC has 10 teams. If they don’t expand by 2012 to 12.. each team plays 9 conference games, right? 4 or 5 away.. 4 or 5 home. That leaves UH with 4 games to book .. 2 home.. 2 away… Does that mean on some seasons we will only have 6 home games?
106…that is true. a good recruiting tool as well, especially with the moms.
BTW… I’m not too concerned about travel subsidies.. I mean with the current devaluation of the dollar.. in 5 years.. 150-175K in the sports arena will seem pretty small.
mih…it is up to us. but, conventional wisdom dictates that we should have three home games and one away ooc game when the swing is more away conf games.
108…i likey.
#106…Kruzen…+1.
al,
Hopefully the 3-1 home-and-away scenario doesn’t mean 2 FCS teams.
#10 Mark: I think I know u.
go to:http://www.military.com/profile/member-profile-bio.html?member_id=9820374
Is there anyway for Hawaii to purchase charters 2-3 years in advance at an even more reduced cost? Same with lodging maybe via Sheraton or Hilton?
Just a thought.
Go Army beat Navy. Looks like the Squids got it!
Regarding the conference moves, seems some Tsaikos are suffering from Buyer’s Remorse. We have to look to the future.
We should set our sights high. Just as the President(?) of BSU says that he has a ten year plan to get into the PAC10/12, we should also look at the present move as a way to demonstrate how much Hawaii brings to any conference.
If our programs can win consistently, our willingness to help with “cost sharing”, the expansion of the TV time zones by 2 or 3 hours, and our top notch academic programs (astronomy, ocean science, East-West studies, genetic research, alternative energy, engineering, medicine, and law) make us an attractive package.
So we should let the administrators do the job with the finances. We fans can help by supporting the teams by attending games and subscribing to PPV. And our coaches and athletes need to do the job on the field and the court by winning consistently.
All we can do is make ourselves an attractive candidate if and when the PAC10/12 looks toward further expansion. The only thing Boise has over us is the consistent winning of their football program. We offer a lot more in other ways.
isn’t it interesting what the armed services refer the other services as…
Hey- look on the HA homepage. They are asking for nomination for 10 Who Made a Difference. I nominated Coach Mack but my reasons are pretty simple. Perhaps another Tsai-ko with more statistical recall and convincing oratorio can do the same?
GO WARRIORS!
al #51:
Can’t help but think that UH and Hawaiian Airlines already have had something semi-official in place to cover the UH football team’s road game travel.
One only needs to look at the UH football team travel routine since 2008:
– Fly Hawaiian Air from HNL to the West Coast (usually Oakland)
– Fly a charter flight from West Coast to Destination
– Post game, fly a charter from Destination to Las Vegas
– Fly Hawaiian Air redeye from Vegas back to HNL…arrive home 6:00am Sunday morning
Once we start Mountain West play, I don’t think that’s gonna change for UH, with the exception of road games against UNLV and SDSU where they’d cut out the charter flight…Hawaiian Air flies nonstop to these places, why charter?
No more paid free trips to Hawaii for Benson.
Paid free trips for the MWC and BW commissioners.
They’ll get to know the perks that Benson had enjoyed all these years.
While we rejoice in the Warriors and Rainbows inclusions to new homes..I am somewhat saddened by this..
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/111725319.html
With more millionaires per capita in Hawaii.. we still couldn’t preserve such a rich, old legacy.
As for our future MWC foes, all but UNLV and SDSU are located in areas lacking non-stop commercial service to Hawaii, hence the charter flights for them. I’m not up to speed on how much charters are going for, but I suppose the number crunchers and economists determined that doling out $600K+ annually for 4 (or 5) MWC teams coming to Hawai’i is an acceptable cost that can be recouped in some form or fashion.
For a conference traveling squad, a Boeing 737 sized airplane (think of the planes that Southwest and Alaska Airlines fly) is the right size…anything larger and you’ll have more than just empty middle seats.
Our WAC foes at home this year who arrived by charter plane came in on Boeing 737 charters, just FYI.
#97 al, except for Kellen Moore of BSU, ALL of the other All Americans on the AT&T team was from the BCS conferences. Didn’t like some of the selections, including Robinson of Mich.SU, making the first team as a back. Wasn’t there any running backs that had good seasons? I can think of a guy who had over 1,000 yards in a “system” type of passing team. The big OT from Colorado’s high light film wasn’t impressive at all. Also the commentator on ESPN said that now most of the schools are looking to the spread offense or 4 receiver type of offense. So are we no longer the “system” type of offense and yet still have the nation’s leading passer?
I guess it wasn’t just athletics that has a hard time filling the seats…
Lots of bickering back and forth as to should we or shouldn’t we pay anyone anything.
I like the arrangement we gained.
We travel to California for all other sports. That’s got to save some funds on the crazy trips ALL of our non-football sports had to endure in the WAC every single year… and with lesser and lesser competition. We now (re)join the Big West, and aside from a couple of sports, we HAVE to improve in everything else. The announcement leaves certain MPSF teams alone for now.
We will be playing football in a better conference that is a couple of steps closer to AQ status. While making donations to the MWC, we stand a better chance of larger end-of-season payouts. Hopefully, our local fans will refamiliarize themselves with our stadium, which can further add to our overall bottom line.
But, the thing that excites me most…???
The amount UH brings to the table (even as a minimally-funded Mid-Major) in Athletics AND Academics must be an eyebrow-raiser to the PAC-12. We must continue on this forward path, and strengthen those areas that the PAC-12 will look at so that we may at least be allowed to submit an offer to them in the future. Laugh and smirk all you want, but I believe it can happen if we work at it. Utah and TCU are the latest examples to have accomplished this. Our local tv market may not be as huge, but with a large mainland fan base, I wonder what the comparisons might be like? We seem to travel better than lots of mainland teams. We can work at it to grow our fan base, both at home and on the mainland. I wonder how we compare to Utah and TCU in all other major categories such as academics, research, etc., and not just athletics?
As far as the Hawaii Bowl goes, here’s something from the Executive Director:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/20101122_uhs_hawaii_bowl_opponent_expected_to_be_decided_dec_4.html
We’ll see how things work out.
Too bad we couldn’t change that .. “Would you like to donate $2.00 for the election campaign” option on our State Tax form to .. “Would you like to donate $2.00 to keep the Honolulu Symphony going.”… or maybe “Would you like to donate $2.00 to help promote equal opportunity in our State’s athletic programs regardless of gender?” Or some kind of multiple choice that merits something positive.
eg … help for the homeless..impoverished… etc…
A new marketing scheme:
It is a known fact that there are many Warrior Fans on the mainland especially on the West Coast.
Being that attendance for those schools will increase when Hawaii plays them, UH should come up with an idea of selling tickets that will benefit those schools and Hawaii by promoting season tickets for the different sporting events or for the whole sports venue.
UH can sell a season card that when shown at the ticket office or purchase on line will allow the Warrior fan with a mainland address get 10% off the ticket price up to 2 tickets. The purchase for this season card to be $25.00 or whatever is needed to underwrite the cost of the card and the processing of the program.
Each school to get 80% of the revenues and UH to get 20% of it. This will allow UH to track how Warrior Nation is attending games UH plays on the road. As stated it will enhance the attendance of these schools and increase their revenues. This will also help to track numbers to help UH get into the PAC-12.
If 10 to 20% of fans are attending due to this program it can only enhance UH’s bargaining power going forward.
This is really thinking outside the box and the numbers and percentages proposed will definitely need to be crunched should an idea of this nature be put in motion.
PPV has some Wahine volley and Men’s basketball in their football package now. When Hawaii moves in 2012, their conferences will be split. I don’t think PPV could split the different sports in they are in different conferences and need to split their profit with the MWC. Football only on PPV may stay the same as far as price charged because of the missing WV and MBB games or could even come down. Will Oceanic/K5 also offer the other sports exculsively on PPV to give a share to the BW? There goes free UH TV.
Who owns the BigWest TV contract? Do they even have one?
#131… Expert… great idea! Easy way to track UH fans at away games too, as long as the majority of UH fans on the mainland (that attend games), are aware of, and use, this service. Save this one and pass it on to JD so they can work out the details!!! I like it, but there’s no “LIKE” button.
134. Just sell it (the tickets on the web site) an pick it up at the ticket counter…No need mail and all the other hassles.
Re #131 – a friend of mine suggested that locally we sell one of those electronic cards that you would swipe (not unlike subway gates) that would admit fans to certain UH events like softball and (Presently) non-revenue sports like water polo, etc. It would not require attendants, ticket office hassles etc.
Another thought:
UH in one of their advertisement states that they are playing for the people of Hawaii. Not exactly sure what the slogan is. The military population in Hawaii is a good percentage and ever changing due to revolving stay here in the islands.
UH should find a way to have the military become fans of UH athletics. They are seeds that will be deployed all over the nation and the world.
Stephen Tsai,
Is there a reason for UH not announcing the BYU date next year in football when Byu already released their scedule for 2011? BYU comes to Hawaii on 12/3/11. Just curious.
Military in Hawaii are north of 50,000 people.
Replies to #131. Whatever works for tracking attendance with Warrior Nation on the mainland will be a big plus for Hawaii going forward. It’s not how its done but having it in existence in whatever form will be a big plus to UH. Especially when it comes time to knock on the door of the PAC-12.
mih #129,
I like your suggestion. Maybe someone with knowledge of government processes (WassupDoc?) can move this idea along.
I never check the box cause I think there’s too much spending on campaigns, but I’d consider other worthy causes.
Adam Leonard back in the 808!
#135… Kawika49… I think the point Expert is trying to make is, we should devise a system to be able to track UH mainland fans at away games. Buying tickets online at UH’s Athletics site may be one avenue of approach. Also gotta consider the many fans who live in or near the various venues we may play, be it stadiums, arenas, etc. Those fans may just drive/walk up to buy tickets, with no proceeds going to UH, and no way to track that they are UH fans attending an away game. Also would have to coordinate with all schools involved, if we could buy tickets from UH online, and just pick it up at the away game ticket office.
But, we already have UH Students showing up with their school ID to gain entrance at home games. System might be similar for tracking purposes.
When we switch conferences in 2012, UH should better market are UH gear as UH has one of the best looking logos in the nation. If I’m not mistaken the logos sales don’t go directly to UH athletics but it gives the UH brand more exposure.
The Hawaii Visitors Bureau with the US government should promote a game between Army and Navy in the islands. As Kawika49 mentioned military population north of 50,000 people.
The game between the military institutes has been played in 9 different cities. Why not once in Hawaii for the military population not only here in Hawaii but for all the military personnel located all over the Pacific Rim. The excitement and energy will be a positive for Hawaii as well as for our men and women who serves to protect our country. Imagine what enhancements television can do to help promote recruitment into the military with Hawaii being part of the focal point.
MIH,
hubby and I have season tickets to the opera. HOT has hired local musicians to perform, many of them from the symphony — so all is not lost.
Michigan Warrior:
I enjoy reading many of your comments which has a lot of thought to it. Like your insights.
Have a great weekend!!!
Or how about a 9 and 2 team in 1981 that didn’t go to a bowl game. A team with 26 guys that went to NFL camps and 14 players that made it onto game day NFL rosters.
#148 Pride: Or that Sheraton is a major Sponsor.
#134 MI Warrior and #135 kawika~if buying on the internet, just print out the tickets at home, no visits to the box office or mailing issues. We do that for Aloha Stadium now.
Anyone going to the ProBowl?
We need to start focusing in Tulsa. Not going to be a cakewalk.
Why not make an UH Alumnae card that offers points or discounts to various shops around the islands and tickets via UH or any other sponsoring entity here and abroad? Points can be saved up to purchase tickets for away games. Sponsoring stores will be invoiced for the number of points they award each quarter.
Hopefully, they HAVE been focusing on Tulsa.
No-huddle offense is another problem to solve.
Make that a Koa Anuenue.. or Na Koa UH alumnae card… where proceeds are dog-eared for the Athletic department.
Against the no-huddle, I think we need two different sets of defensive backs.. each group of guys plays until the chain is moved. Switch in.. switch out.. keep them warm but also keep their legs and minds fresh.
Big West television:
http://www.bigwest.org/story.asp?STORY_ID=14067
More PPV for WVB, MVB, MBasketB, MBaseB, etc?
or is it better to fill the arena/stadium?
Maybe even two sets of Defensive Ends… The Dline closes the gaps… keeps the runner from coming up the middle.. the DEs.. contain the outside forcing the pass…. the fresh backs need to play the ball.
From Thursday
From Tuesday
Tulsa is taking full advantage.
Tulsa practiced last weekend.
Tulsa is practicing this weekend.
http://www.uhrainbowtique.com/productdetails.asp?pid=2968&pagenum=1
Another WAC Champions T-shirt from Rainbowtique
Nice to see our Warriors tagged with a “ranking” whenever they are mentioned. 24th ranked Hawaii Warriors…
13 days until Game Day.
I wonder if the Warriors will be having 15 practices for the game?
mih,
Yep. It’s nice that the team has been able to read all the articles about their ranking; watching news stories about moving to a better conference; hearing about all-conference placements.
Those should all come in handy around 5:15 in the afternoon on Christmas Eve in Aloha Stadium.
Excellent thanks for your information
Al re: 51
As an employee of HAL, I don’t know if HAL is in the visionary game. Majority of the time of my employment HAL has been reactionary. Maybe with the new mindset HAL can think that way. But I doubt it!!!!
pcwarrior…use the suggestion box and get a bonus.
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Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……
d1島:
Do you know what the practice schedules were in the past several UH bowl games?
The coaches have been great this season, so I have faith that the coaches are developing a game plan to implement on the week after finals and have the experience to know how much practice is necessary.
I think the D needs conditioning for the no huddle this week, then technique next wk.
The O should do the same, then go back to our old no huddle.
kruzen,
Let’s all agree that the prep schedules for the past several bowl games weren’t the clear “Road to Success”
But the 15 practices aren’t really all about game prep.
Sounds like a coach who’s *really* interested in building for the future.
kawika49,
Cal showed everyone how to slow down a no-huddle in their game against Oregon….just need a little coaching from the Drama Dept. 😆
nice to have a limp.
committed road warrior…
why charter?
direct flight to your destination, provided that a feasible airport exist.
not at the whim of the existing flight schedules, go when you need to go.
control over seating arrangements to accomodate 300 lb men
complete control over cargo space and add’l charges
control over food and bev services in flight
use of separate gate at each terminal
just to name a few.
Pooh In Sigh: don’t believe “al” was at the UNLV game 4 years ago.
Old Diver: if you are including me as having “buyers remorse”, I take offense to that as I have bought nothing! One cannot buy loyalty to an alma marter; it is given freely!!
…or a lisp?
hawaiian and uh, already have a contra account. it just needs to be magnified by 2012.
hawaiian will be proactive on this issue or otherwise loose this relationship which in turn could effect image, future revenue,etc.
Wow, no rub it in, eh? 😉
d1島:
I agree with you on 172.
Al, we have a huge suggestion box and an even bigger lock! But they lost the key!
Pcwarrior:
Not true… the key is in an envelope with a message that says.. “Please keep this in a safe place.” and was put in the suggestion box on a timely basis.
Maybe we can put this idea in the ear of Bert Kobayashi.
or Takai.
The Tulsa weather forecast for Sunday: Sunny, with a high near 35. Breezy, with a north northwest wind between 15 and 20 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph.
…and if their HC is a sharp guy (and the more I read about him, the more convinced I am that he is) he’ll read the Honolulu forecast to his team before they start practice and let them know that Hawaii is resuming practice on Monday!
Liz,
Are you going to the Pro Bowl?
David and I will be attending Faust at the Blaisdell on that day. First time the opera doesn’t conflict with the Super Bowl.
A-House #177,
I used the term “Buyer Remorse” in an earlier post so Old Diver is getting blamed for something he didn’t do.
I was not singling anyone by my remark as several questioned the cost of the deal. It’s a done deal so I think we should look at ways to take advantage of the situation.
By the way, thanks to you and Mrs A-House for the card. We usually don’t get one out until Christmas is upon us. Great procrastinators.
al #176:
The last sentence in my post #122 should have been clarified to say “Why should we have to pay to fly UNLV and SDSU to Honolulu via charter flight?” Other than that, your points are valid and I agree with them. Flying charter is perhaps the most feasible way for teams like Boise and New Mexico to get to HNL.
Of course, it wouldn’t shock me one bit come 2012 and we’re paying the cost to fly visiting MWC teams to HNL by charter flight, yet UH is still doing the same “Hawaiian Air-Charter Flight-Charter Flight-Hawaiian Air” routine it’s been doing for years.
oldie,
I have to go find my Christmas cards… hmmmm….
Since I don’t have your address, MAHALO for all of the DVDs!!!
Esme & out again…
With all this MWC/BWC talk, it would be nice if a little birdie could speak out on our next WARRIORS to be!!!
OK. I guess I’m just not happy because there isn’t anymore CFB on TV this weekend! 👿
Despite that and all I have ranted about this afternoon….
We still get ’em! GO WARRIORS!
Old Diver is gettin blamed for something he did not do? Then, heck pardna, apologize for my misplaced remark!!!
d1:
every chance I get to “dig” al, it has to be done – a matter of pride and mutual respect!!
must wonder who he is paying for all the tidbits on UH recruiting? Jeezy is also right on the ball and me thinks he has very close connections to UH coaching staff.
ok. back to washing and ironing shirts!
pcwarrior #191 – my thoughts too and reason for my dig on al in #193.
heck with confirmation to the MWC, i figured Lattimore would be here with his commitment and make al happier!! Coach Mack has the “local boys” recruits in cover & concealment mode. Which is ok, but it can generate a lot of chatter in Hawaii.
#150… GmaHoney… I know that can be done for home games. But, is this procedure for away games also? And continuing on, if that is an available feature, at least UH can track some mainland fans that way. But, they still have no way of tracking those who live on or visiting the mainland, and walk up to the ticket offices to purchase tickets specifically to watch UH games. Plus, doing this would not afford UH any percentage of ticket revenues if such a deal could be worked out.
#147… Expert… Mahalo for your kind words. But I must say, there are many, many fans here who we all learn from. I enjoy participating with so many different people who all share our same love for UH.
#25… Pomai… I agree with most of your prediction. I think, if we can fill in all da pukas from this year’s graduation, and everyone can get it together quickly during the off-season, I think we have a great chance at going undefeated. I have great confidence in our coaching staff and our returning players. I think we may find LaTech a challenge. But with the departure of Boise, I don’t think the voters will push us high enough to get into a BCS game. My guess? We go undefeated, but no BCS bowl.
note to self…remove ahouse from email list.
btw…i wouldn’t be so proud to share that i was doing women’s work.
al”
that would be most cruel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#157 kruzen. Some people just don’t have the means to go to the games but would purchase PPV. Also, some people complained about the horrible handicap area or getting to the area. I had season tickets many years ago for almost 20 seasons and used to attend games at the old Honolulu Stadium. My better half then started working the night shift and I couldn’t give away the tickets during the Von Appen era. We now go to my brother’s house to watch the games and commercials too. I also live on a fixed income, like sooo many long time UH fans, and cannot afford to buy season tickets. Sure it may be more profitable for all true UH fans to buy season tickets, or look better on TV, but, by UH gaining $2.5 mil a year in PPV, at least we are helping the athletic department in another way. Please don’t take this post as angry or bitter as I just want to let the younger UH fans know that we still backing UH as much as feasible. I truly wish we would fill the Aloha Stadium for every home game, its just that it probably won’t be with me or many handicapped/fixed income fans there. But I never say never.
200
How many of us tsaikos are going to be at the Hawaii Bowl?
#197 – Somebody stand by to take al to the ER to get a foot removed from where the sun don’t shine. LOL
For us in the neighbor Islands, it’s a bone of contention (ppv etc).
1. We help pay for the stadium.
2. Cost money for airfare, Hotel.
Why can’t we have a reduction on ppv fro neighbor islands?
So I have resigned myself to doing ppv and inviting my neighbors to watch the games.
If anyone knows…
Does the NCAA mandate the total amount of hours a team can practice between end of last game and their bowl game?
Just wondering, since they seemed to try enforcing it before the start of this season.
#199 – I hear you papajoe2, but maybe what we (or UH) needs to do is for game that are televised (ESPN) make some kind of package deal that will afford fans like yourself to be there, also it goes without saying that the whole ADA thing needs looked into.
#202 I’m sure his distaff side would have to remove his head first.
Helping a spouse is never to “low” for any man – lol, al cause we know that you do a lot for the “boss”, but will never admit such.
#204 – Yes I think it is 15 practice days.
#199… papajoe2… Excellent point! Even though you’re not physically attending games, you are still supporting UH in whatever way possible.
Speaking of the ADA, it would help if the NFU’s would make sure the people who are sitting in the ADA seats are if fact ADA.
Yeah, Pomai, I saw the 15 days mentioned. Just wondered if there was a time limit on those 15 days.
For the first time in 7 years all 5 of us season ticket holders since 1976 are going to the Hawaii Bowl together. Work has kept me from going or else I would gone to the ones that UH qualified for…
Howzit Tsai-kos!
Happy Saturday!
papajoe2:
I live on Maui and there’s others who cannot make it to the stadium so, I agree with you that we should have PPV.
So, how many of ST’s articles have been on page A-1 above the fold including today’s? 5? 10? 100? too many to count? 😀
#202 . . .
al’s foot is in Seattle?
#207… A-House… I think most of us share the work with our significant others. Otherwise, we wouldn’t be allowed to get as deep into being a UH fan. It helps that they have also caught onto the UH fever!
jm!@#$ . . .
My “paper” does not have any folds. If it did I would need to go shooping.
Kind of agree with a previous poster. Kinda, sorta, maybe sounds like some are questioning the price of moving on up. I believe the leaders made a prudent and judicious move considering all issues.
No wonder people in the breadbasket get so much common sense.
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In other words, If you enuf of an idiot to be out driving in this blizzard, you on your own! And will probably be less likely to produce progeny!
Seriously though. Bless those in the Midwest; this one looks really bad….
Kruzen, MW, and all the other UH faithful who cannot psychically attend the UH home games, be it handicapped, distance, financial, ow whatever, lets hope the MWC does make the UH games available for us. I would be sick if I couldn’t watch our Warriors in battle. JD HELP US!!!
#220… d1… That storm is headed my way tonight! Man, I hate shoveling snow! Wife keeps telling me to get a snow blower, but I get pretty decent exercise during the winter without a machine.
I just hope that the powers that be, explain to their mainland counterparts; that we are a state composed of eight Islands, not four political sub-divisions. We do not have the luxury of just driving to Oahu. Of course, if we want to save money, we could given time, swim.
ppj2 . . .
Was thinking about that earlier today. Currently we are able to get some of the Warrior games on the internet. Will that option still exist in the Fall of 2012? Or is 1420 going to be our only option? Seems to be a step backward in terms of media availability.
And, no, the Mountain is not available here on this side of the hill. Do not know about the Eastern side.
The idea of some kind of tracking card that allows for discounted access to away games might be a workable item affording UH the ability to provide “real-time” numbers when negotiating with media and conferences. Difficult to argue with facts!
#222… Papajoe2… I know, yeah? Man, just the thought instantly made me sad! Spooky!
You know the song, “Money for Nothing” (“I Want My MTV”), by Dire Straits? That song just ran through my head…
“I want my U… H… Sports…”
MW . . .
You have kids?
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
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Coaching musical chairs? Read that fmr UH OL coach Alex Gerke was not retained by USU HC Gary Andersen. Andersen also relieved his DC and will take on those duties. Rumor has it that BYU OC Robert Anae is out. Another rumor has Utah’s Kyle Whittingham taking the Florida HC job and USU’s Gary Andersen as his DC. Crazier things have happened.
Season’s Greetings to all.
#223 Michigan Warrior: At least that’s easier than shoveling what the Manoa staff had to shovel after Herman F….
So much for Whittingham going to Florida. Gator job went to Texas DC Will Muschamp (Longhorn D was awful this year, maybe an anomaly). Wonder if Duane Akina will be going to Florida?
Newton just announced as the Heisman Trophy winner. Maybe Moniz will be in the converasation next year, if:
1) Hawaii goes undefeated 13-0 in the regular season
2) Moniz has the following statistics:
5,000 to 6,000 yards passing
40 or more touchdowns passing
5 or less interceptions
Keys for a successful season: UH defense, turnover margin, offensive line.
Any recruits today?
Maybe I’m wrong; but I can’t believe that Cam’s father never mentioned anything about the cash value, that Cam had (in football) to his family. It defies credulity.
# 232
And we neva have to give Moniz $200,000.
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So I’ve been able to watch many of the UH games on espn3. Does anyone know if CBS College Sports Network has a similar internet feed or if other, ahem, less official internet feeds are available?
RIKanaka: I guess we stuck with 2 tin-cans and string.
Has there ever been a Heisman Trophy winner who was a walk-on? I can’t think of one. If Moniz wins it, he can be rich being a spoksman for a pizza company. It would be some kind of story, a real life movie. Who would play the part of being Moniz, Rolovich, and McMackin? And June Jones, who was here when Moniz decided to transfer to UH.
238: Just think of how many Moniz Pizza’s u can open on the Islands?
PapaJoe2 said
I haven’t been to the stadium since the Von Appen years – had back surgery and am somewhat handicapped in walking (hey, AL, your offer is still good?).
Some of you might have known that one of my clients donated a hunk of $$ to the UH.
So you have to realize – like PapaJoe states – we still back UH as much as feasible like giving $$ to UHF for NA Koa, Softball etc.
So let me watch PPV or depend on OLDIE without guilt!!!
Nuf said.
Re #240 – left out a sentence in that we back UH even by getting other people to give $$ 🙂
Whew! The kiddo is here and good thing they flew into Chicago instead of Minneapolis. The Minneapolis airport was closed due to all of that snow early this morning. They would have been sleeping at the airport. Supposed to feel like 40 below tomorrow with the Wind Chill in the north of MN where he’s working on his teaching certificate. So glad he’s here.
Just saw part of the Sports news on KGMB and they were talking about voting for Tiwanak until Monday. Did someone mention this in the blog? I haven’t had time to go back through the blog yet. Merci beaucoup!
PAC-12: As noted above Hawai’i MUST demonstrate Consistent Financial, Academic and On-Field Excellence (to be the Next UTAH and Beat Boise there — GOT TO Beat The BC Schools every opportunity, WORK OUR Japan, Korea, China, Philippines, AUSSIE/NZ markets … …)
probably WOULD Have dominated the WAC, but So WHAT about being a Big Fish in a little pond … you’re still in a little pond (and Farther from the BCS)…. Jeff’s analogy of being the Biggest House in a Poor Neighborhood is accurate, we would be ‘over-achieving’, but still over-priced in a Poor Neighborhood …
On our last visit to Vegas, Midori noticed that MasaBoy via Cox cable network carried the MWC channel and she was able to watch several MWC football games.
Don’t know how many UH fans in Nevada realize this, but worth spreading the word.
Any another cable network outside of Vegas that carries the MWC network? May be worth checking out local cable companies to see if available.
For example, Oceanic offers the “sports network” package which included the Army and Colorado games plus Big 10 and NBA all for $6 per year or was it per month.
The story about SMU’s death penalty is on air right now 5:45pm on ESPN. I think they talk about the Hawaii Bowl at the end of the story…so I guess that means UH and JJ might be mentioned.
#244
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Perhaps, in the very near future, someone will explain how viewing the TV games will work with the MWC tv contract(s) and how this will impact UH fans in Hawaii and on the mainland.
Realize that football is the 2000# gorilla for Oceanic, but it also have K-5 telecast of basketball, volleyball, softball, and baseball. Is this all but gone?
6.00 amonth
Someone posted recently that Boise or Fresno had won about 37 games against BCS schools.
How many has Hawaii won? Way back when, they beat Nebraska and Washington. Would this count in the final total?
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My blood is running hot after listening to SMU’s AD talk about the aquisition of JJ. I’m not mad at him…just Herman for making it all possible.
Speaking of SMU, that 30 for 30 documentary on the Mustangs was pretty good.
I don’t know if the Cam Newton story is over as the FBI investiagation is still ongoing. Look how long it took with Reggie Bush.
I agree with many people that the coaches during the time of the infraction should suffer some consequences. Of course with USC the HC left for the NFL. Still sanctions can exist with out expiration should that coach attempt to return to college football. Is that legal?
Fumbler, Fumbler – what has thou art created at UH? How much longer do we have to face all the mistakes of your tenure as UHAD?
We’re going to be leaving in about ten minutes for tonight’s basketball game, but here’s a quick answer to #141/129. Develop the concept and then make an appointment to see St. Senator David Ige, Chair of Ways & means as well as your own state senator. Discuss the concept and see if either or both would be willing to sponsor a bill.
Once the House is organized, do the same with the individual who is your state representative and the Chair of the Finance Committee.
At the same time, contact the chairs of the Education/Higher Education in both chambers to get their support on the bill. In the Senate, that’s Jill Tokuda and the House is still not yet known.
Then, there’s another process of getting the public involved – going to Neighborhood Boards, sending information to school/community councils, the Board of Education & the Board of Regents, the Abercrombie Administrtion, the media, etc., etc.
On a very much related subject but not necessarily sports-related, be sure to visit the Island Innovation Fund’s website http://www.islandinnovation.org/ and scroll through the brief descriptions of the 185 proposals covering all kinds of topics ranging from student film-maing projects to providing medical services to at-risk seniors to generating new economic activities – including ours on p. 7 THE CAPITOL-IST PROJECT. The winners whose proposals generate the most comments and connections to the community – however that may be definied – will be invited to submit a full-on application for a grant which can be as much as $100,000 per winner.
Off to see the Rainbow Warriors.
PAC 12:
Are not most of the UC schools facing terrible financial difficulties because of the economy?
Yet, they expect Hawaii to be fiscally responsible? “double edged” sword points both ways.
gigi- I hope to go to the ProBowl – esp. if Chris Cooley from the Redskins is selected.
#255 I menitioned him wayn above…Ahhh good old Herman the Sherman… The gift that keeps on giving.
Just sitting here watching the Warriors beat BSU for the out right WAC. The stadium should be filled like that for all the games, would be awesome.
A house remeber this from back when the 69th inf = GENTLE WHEN STROKED – FIERCE WHEN PROVOKED
Liz, that’s cool! Hope the weather cooperates on game day.
madeinhawaii,
I found your post on another site re: Bronson Tiwanak nominated for the Rudy Award.
http://www.collegerudyawards.com/cfra-ballot.htm
K, we have till Monday to vote.
Tommui,
With your bad back, watching ppv at home is the way to go. You won’t get any criticism from me regarding that.
David says there are now railings at the stadium. He saw them on TV. Doesn’t know if they are everywhere, though. Might be just certain sections.
hand railings in all the lower orange sections. hope they add in railings in the upper level seats (along with new seats!) soon.
no hand rails in SSC either, although it’s not as bad.
Congrats to all the FB seniors who will be graduating! Great work guys!
Almost time for some bb.
GO WARRIORS!
Hope no one was in the way of that rolling stone at Aiea Heights.
Go Warriors!
Whoo-hoo!!!
Since UH will not enter MWC play until 2012….might be a very good idea for whomever the media people are at UH make sure that the rest of the conference and their media outlets are on the same page when referring to our Football team as, “WARRIORS” and not, “RAINBOWS.” just sayin.
So Scam won the, HEISTman award. what a shame, my opinion.
The BWC should have an adventure figuring what to call the rest of UH’s sports teams???
Let’s go Warriors!
They’ll probably land up just saying, “Hawaii-men/Hawaii-women.”
serpenteen, serpenteen.
Oh man, control those TO’s!
ST,
I read your response to an earlier question I had posted and by the time I caught up reading the rest of the blog…..I forgot what you had said???, and I was buzzed with a little too much ta-kill-ya from lunch….so had to moi for a spell. yiiiihaa!!
Is the UHAD already missing an opportunity?
10-3 season with a Hawaii Bowl appearance and the MWC announcement yesterday yet nary a word regarding season ticket renewals; PSC solicitations; AKA membership push.
Was nothing learned from the ’07 season aftermath?
#277
d1
At UH rules are rules, with all the registration problems they had extending the time for registration was not an option. Taking advantage of the of the new excitement created by the success of the football team and the move to the MWC? Rules are rules.
What are the rules regarding collecting names of people?
d1
They are afraid to do that.. look what the prof did with 40,000 alumni personal information!
What are the rules that limit AKA from seeking new members?
Why has the coach that is most affected seemingly gone into hiding?
Old diver… Think it’s time to change the rules! Or in other cases, keep the investigation open for 2-3 years and then strip the heisman. I mean rules are rules.
Are we in the Quiet period or are the coaches actively recruiting?
d1,
I was agreeing with you on ticket renewals, didn’t mean to imply there were rules against AKA seeking new members.
mih,
Seems pretty quiet.
OD,
No prob
kawika49:
whatever reminded you of the 69th Inf motto?
In OCS, our class motto was “Perfection is our Standard; Not our Goal”.
Coaches are out recruiting. Dead period starts next week till after the bowls are done.
jm2375
Which is why they seem MIA… good luck to them. Hope to hear some good news regarding recruits … Nice to know, though, that our cup is more than half-full. Our immediate needs aren’t as critical as years past and the coaches can be a little more finicky.
mih – remember the UNLV coach whining about not wanting to play because he lost a week of recruiting time?
Kinda dreading the day after December 24th. Gonna have to get my next high on basketball, men’s volleyball, softball and baseball. Thinking about it there’s a lot to look forward to after football, some of our finest moments came during the baseball and softball season and there’s renewed interest in basketball and volleyball. Hmmm, actually we University of Hawaii fans are quite a lucky bunch.
Go Warriors, Go Bows, Go NaWahine!, did I forget anyone?
mctruck — maybe less of a problem in 2012. The only UH team playing in the MWC are the Warriors. So shouldn’t have much confusion in there. Then the 2012 Big West have the Rainbows (as in the past). 😕
So, Cam Newton won the Heisman. After all, he accounted for 49 touchdowns. Hey! Wait a minute! Wasn’t there some guy who threw for 58 touchdowns back in 2006? He must have been a “system” qb. I wonder if he scored any on some runs? Added to his 58, hmmmm……..
So all the MWC football teams travel here by charter jets.
UH ticket sales (season or otherwise), is not shared with the MWC, right? (not like TV $$$)
A 6:30 or 7:00 PM game time will probably boost sales/attendance… perhaps the AD should do a fan survey on this…
I vote for 6:30!
I vote YES for 7:00!
I vote YES for 6:30!
I vote YES for 7:00!
I vote YES for 6:30!
I vote NO for 5:30!
Good evening Tsaikos.
boy.. thought I got smuud last nite when da blog went down…
POOH
from a lil guy in da outta islands, getting into the MWC and BWC is a BIG DEAL. a very very big deal. makes us feel like we living next to da Jeffersons.
PRIDE
was reading your comment about da 81 team. i feel your pain. 😀 i really do… because nobody respects us WAC guys.
plus, now we get to buss up Nevada and Fresno samoa. and BY WHOO. yup, life is good.
an so is da mine.. mine… mine….
Watching the SMU 30 for 30 episode.
I LOVE the death penalty idea for repeat offenders!!!
for the BY WHOO, i’ll go with 5:30. For Fresno and Nevada, definitely 7:30 😀
playing BY WhOO has always been my idea of a good time. and having Hawaiian fly a plane with the H logo on da mainland route, no matta what, is da good idea for a corporate sponsor.
Pride
ahem… I was thinking the same thing for a Matson ship, 😀
I support 1 pm or 2 pm football games – the sport was invented to be played in daylight – like baseball. The first time I ever attended a college game at night was here in Hawai`i. In fact, I’m not even sure if there lights at any of the PAC 10 stadia back in those early Stone Age days.
I know, I know – people working, hot afternoons, etc., but with day games here, we’ll have same day late afternoon & evening viewers on The Continent.
Im sitting here smiling watching the reactions to SMU’s death penalty sentence.
I like the message it sends!
Jim Donovan….
you’re a winner, Mr. Donovan. watching da coaches going giddyup giddyup was so heart warming for us UH fans. really was..
my hat is off to M. Greenwood and V. Hinshaw. took a coupla ladies fo lead da pack to da promised land. job well done for a start, ladies. now go work on da UJH marketing gang. get em cracking.
D2 is right. Al is right. marketing is where its at. the time is right now for da golden opportunity. everybody gotta carry their load to make this train a great success.
just sayin…
wen we played Florida in Gainesville, dat was da best. daytime, hot sun. cool light shower… planny fans, dat was da best. so a 2 oclock game on a saturday so da world can see our gang bust up da odda guyz in primtetime, if we gonna act bigtime, gotta have a crowd fo watch da fight. no mo fun if no mo crowd fo watch da MMA action. da poor neighborhood analogy is a good one.
meanwhile. like Pride said….
gotta really prep for Tulsa. we gonna fight…. gotta be ready fo trow blows.
bhf2 – who’s d2? 😆
an i’m tinking… wit all da big time action this past week, da recruits announcment, da Big West and Mountain West announcements, da governor tellin da good news in his campaign for support UH… we got da good news action for support da recruiters…
i saw Gib Arnold giddy. I saw Trapasso giddy. I saw Shoji giddy. I saw Mack cool. yup, things definitely definitely definitely lookin up fo da green bottle guy. 😀
D2 is da large D1. 😆
akchally, dat was a typo. but das my story an i’m sticking to it. 😆
Old Diver, don’t forget, Go Fans…
Late evening to everyone. Hope everyone enjoyed the sunny day today.
Keep it going Warriors.
nytal!
Ballpicker
today was a great day in Hilo. no cloud in the sky to block the view of Mauna Kea, left to right all clear, with snow down to about the 10,000 foot leval, light dustin on da north slope of the puu with the heiau. really clear view.
Bhf2, gotta agree wit u. No bettah time den nau fo get da peepo out fo look at da green en white! Necks yea goina be da bes! Jes like 2007! Spesho times ahead!!!! En den mauka wes confrens da necks yea! Cheeehooooo!
Another win for the mbb, unfortunately nearly 2500 no shows at the SSC tonight.
hiya Ralph..
sorry i couldn’t attend… finances… 😀 plus, no can catch ride. you guys livin ova dare are sure lucky buggaz. get to go
SSCShinshoTei on a Sat. nite. 😀Dare u go BigHiloFan2, that’s what I wanted to hear about the place u liv. Great description. Thanks for the painted thought. Any pic? I saw in in the SB on Maunakea I believe and some tv news video.
Back in the day I spent some time with a college friend Chuck Parker on the Big Island. In the morning we manage to get up early drive up to Maunakea, get down in the snow, later we drove to Hapuna Beach freakin body surfed, then end up at a cabin in the mountain freezing our toolies off but we cooked something and feel asleep from exhaustion. But was good fun. And I got pictures. Anyway sorry bout the rant. Can’t spell remeniscing.
I totally agree about nationally televised games and exposure for UH Warriors. Have the game anytime they want….as if we have choice. 🙄 Noon or 1:00 PM OK too.
But they should move the TV cameras to the mauka side so they can pan up and show the stands on the makai side with people in the seats. Hope UH sold the empty seats on the mauka side so we get some $$$ of our own.
Denkuveddymucho Bhf2 for supporting day football games. Maybe we should play both for a couple of seasons and see which draws bigger in-person crowds AND more tv viewers.
orff to beddybye – lots of backlogged household stuffs tomorrow – after cleaning the house, both of us will work in the yard for an hour or so plus sort cans & bottles and start getting files in shape. Hopefully if the weather is half-way decent by late afternoon, we’ll go for a semi-serious hike around Kawainui Marsh.
BTW – Mark February 5 in your 2011 calendars. More info to come over the next couple of weeks.
So how is the recruiting weekend going al? or ST?
SteveM
totally agree
Ballpicker
nice name. 😆
OFF TOPIC.
reminiscin about Maunakea.
50years ago, went hunting 7 sisters (humpback) hills of Maunakea, saddle road side, for sheep. my two younger brothers and I would chase for my fadda. four indians runnin da hills, chasin da sheep along da fenceline separating the bow an arrow (lower) hunting area from the gun (mauka) area, about da 8000 ft elevation. doze were da best times.
you can drive up Kaohe Game Management Road, just Hilo side of the Girl Scout camp on saddle road, and take a cruise. dusty, but totally totally awesome view. da rental car peeps not gonna like you go, cuz da dirty dust gonna get all ova da kaa, and da hosedown at da beach ain’t gonna cut it, unless you go through the car wash 2x. 😀
of course, the tourists just go fo da drive to da top.
yah.. I like no about da recruitin 2. 😀
ST
tole me a coupla years ago…. cannot tell all da good news one time.
gotta spread out da good news… hmmm..
off topic…
btw,
you outta see da Saddle Road now. they straighting it up alot, still working on it, but get plenny 55 mph areas. an straight… hilo kona now about hour half.. gonna get shorter as they keep straightinin up da road. plenny fast from da 19 mm – 38 mm (middle top of saddle)
an if you like know about mauna loa side, the road just befo da turnup to Mauna kea to Mauna Loa is a beautiful desolte drive. 😀 desolate, as in WAC desolate.
if I was a Warrior and I wanted fo my family to go visit Hawaii, I’d definitely go ask Coach Cal or Mana for learn how to hookup wit BigHilo and send scouts to lurn where da sites on da big island. not easy to find. 😀 Mana gotta ask da parents. 😀 an Coach Cal gotta go ask friends. 😆
I could be hiding in Kazamura cave.
shudda been in da tourist biz.
for da Warriors.
tell you family visiting Hawaii for the Tulsa game to google Kalapana Red Road, look at da pikchaz, hit continue, keep looking da pikchaz, get a good idea of spots to see on da big island Hawaii.
if I was a kinda Warrior 😀 and I wanted my family fo have a good time visiting Hawaii, I’d tell em go stay Waikoloa Hilton. If you really like live it up, Royal Kona Resort or Kona Village Resort.
course, us blue collar guys go King Kam or Kona Seaside right in the heart of Kailua Kona.
:mrgreen
but I’d check da wedda firs. 😆 :sumtimes get yosemite sam kina action. 😀
RIP Crash Kealoha.
Nitey nite!
nitey nite too. 😀
tim…find out sunday night or monday morning. too soon. they just got here yesterday. did you go to the bball game???
tommui…i know you sleeping already, but when you wake up…my offer still standing for you.
Oh okay, just checking! Naw I didnt. Had a front row seat in front of the T.V. though.
Well, the recruits are getting wet.
I can’t wait for the next Warrior Beat post.
monday munchies???
Kono, Tsai headline QB Club meeting
Olympic gold-medal-winning weightlifter Tommy Kono and Star-Advertiser sports writer Stephen Tsai are the featured speakers at tomorrow’s Honolulu Quarterback Club luncheon at the Maple Garden Restaurant.
Kono, also the vice president of the Honolulu Marathon Association, will discuss today’s marathon and its economic impact on the state.
Tsai, who covers the Hawaii football team, will discuss the Warriors’ season and upcoming bowl appearance.
Lunch begins at 11:30 a.m. with the program to follow at noon.
The cost is $15 per person.
i think it was rather suny today…no?
For all of those people wondering how much money UH will have to spend to get into the MWC and Big West, comparisons with how things are now in the WAC are invalid. The WAC’s TV deal and number of appearances on ESPN were about to get whacked after BSU leaves after this season. Whether or not Fresno/Nevada left, UH was going to get MUCH less TV money from the WAC and UH wouldn’t be showing up on ESPN much because BYU got the WAC’s TV spots.
After Fresno/Nevada left, the WAC basically would be off ESPN and get almost no TV money–I saw that the Star-Advertiser mentioned $100k per school and that sounds about right. Plus, the teams available in the WAC would *not* draw well at Aloha Stadium and that would drive UHAD’s budget further in the hole. And if UH turned down the MWC, they could easily just have invited Utah State to replace TCU and then the WAC would be dead *and* UH would not have a spot.
So, the short answer to the travel subsidies question and the possible large reduction in PPV revenue is: how much is the survival of the Athletic Department worth?
There are a lot of positives that could make UHAD come out financially ahead than they are now. But the bottom line is that staying in the WAC would have been death for the athletic department. Anyway, let us look at the positives.
1. SDSU indicates that the MWC TV deal will not decrease–they were horribly underpaid anyway. C-USA gets more TV money this year than the MWC and the MWC has BYU, Utah, and TCU! So, if adding UH helps keep the TV deal where it is, then UH will get about $1 million more from the MWC than the WAC.
2. PPV revenue will not go to zero. At a minimum, UH will be able to show all of their non-football sports on K5/PPV so that will bring in money. ST said that UH could keep the football PPV and share the money with the MWC–that surprised me since I figured that Hawaii was a market that the MWC would want to get the mtn channel. Anyway, not all of the $2.5 million per year from Oceanic/K5/PPV is going to go away.
3. Attendance will be much higher at Aloha Stadium without having the bottom of the WAC coming every year. There are less bottom-feeders in the MWC than there are in the WAC, plus some people will go because they haven’t seen the MWC schools for awhile. BSU, Fresno, Nevada, Air Force, and SDSU will be good draws, and Wyoming was actually rated higher than ALL WAC schools except for BSU in the computer rankings as recently as last season.
4. Travel will be much less for UH in the MWC and Big West. That will save UHAD money (especially for the non-football sports) and reduce the travel time and missed classes for UH athletes. It is much easier for UH to travel to MWC cities than to WAC cities. Traveling to Big West schools is NOTHING compared to going to WAC schools.
5. Recruiting will benefit from the change…and recruiting brings wins and wins bring the fans with their money. Recruiting would have DIED in the WAC, which means that the fans wouldn’t show up at the games and UHAD would drown in debt.
Anyway, I could go on and on about this but the bottom line is that UH needed to move for its athletic survival.
I remember someone who loved to take shots at JD here, saying that he wasn’t doing anything for UH’s conference realignment needs. I wrote this over the summer and posted it here:
The articles linked below have said the following about the Big West:
A. The Big West’s commissioner said that only UH has contacted them for membership.
B. The Big West has noted that they need to add 1 school in order to have NCAA spots for softball, baseball, and women’s volleyball. If you judge by just those 3 sports, UH may be the strongest school in the country.
C. Report says that the Big West says that UH will have to offer some travel subsidy to join. This is in an article about a direct interview with the Big West’s commissioner.
D. The Big West’s commissioner went on the record saying that any school that wants to join them would be judged by their baseball and women’s volleyball programs. UH was in the NCAA tournament in both.
E. There is no rush right now since UH won’t have to declare its intentions before May 31. The Big West also has a moratorium on voting on adding any schools until at least January 1.
The foundation has been laid and JD has done all the legwork to give UH the *option* in case the WAC folds or UH decides to leave. How UH does this season, and how valuable ESPN feels a TV contract with UH might be, may determine what is best for UH.
I have to break up my post since it has too many links and is under moderation.
These articles were from months ago. The Big West option was something that JD worked on far before the “leadership team” was being talked about.
Long Beach State student paper talks about how the Big West would benefit from adding UH. The article notes that during 2008-09, UH spent $3.7 million on travel expenses and Long Beach State spent $868k on travel expenses:
http://www.daily49er.com/sports/lbsu-s-gimmillaro-big-west-would-benefit-from-hawaii-1.2354295
Dave Reardon says that “we have it on good authority the Big West eagerly awaits Hawaii”
http://www.staradvertiser.com/columnists/furtherreview/20101001_As_the_WAC_gets_less_western_its_time_for_UH_to_get_out.html
UH’s coaches have told UH’s Athletic Department that they prefer the Big West over the WAC:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/sportsnews/20100930_UH_coaches_favor_Big_West.html
Honolulu Star-Advertiser article that estimates the travel subsidy that UH will have to be at $250k. The article also quotes a Big West AD who is very interested in adding UH:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/columnists/ferdswords/20100923_Womens_volleyball_should_have_a_big_say_in_where_UH_ends_up.html
Long Beach Press-Telegram article about how the Big West would want UH to provide travel subsidies to be added. It also mentions how they need to add school that emphasize the sports the conference emphasizes, specifically mentioning women’s volleyball and baseball.
http://www.presstelegram.com/moresports/ci_15967186
ESPN article about how UH has talked to the Big West about adding its non-football sports if UH goes independent in football. ESPN mentions that UH is attractive to the Big west for men’s and women’s basketball, and adding UH to the Big West would give the Big West the needed 6 members for an automatic berth. The article also mentions that UH is the only WAC school that has contacted the Big West:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5492091
Honolulu Star-Advertiser article about how the Big West’s commissioner said that UH has a great history with the Big West and they have a great affinity for the UH program and people over the years:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/sportsnews/20100825_UH_making_contacts_with_WCC_Big_West.html
The Big West deal was done a long time ago. However, ST and many others mentioned weeks ago how it would take TCU leaving the MWC to open the spot for UH…so, we owe TCU and the Big East some thanks.
I don’t know why it was considered good news or a surprise that UH would only need to subsidize airfare and not hotels/meals for MWC teams. They would be staying in a hotel no matter where they went to on a road game (heck, they stay in hotels the night before their home games), so only the airfare is different for them.
I was looking forward to finally having some blog time yesterday, but then our friends called and said that their son was feeling good enough for us to take him to Legoland. So, our family dropped what we had planned and immediately took their family to Legoland. Radiation treatments start in a few days for the boy…and his grandma is also going to be starting radiation treatments next week for her cancer too…
Garret, mahalo for your posts and God Bless- prayers for your friends and all who ail.
Good Sunday monring to everone!
Thanks, Garret, for the links.
Hoping the boy and his family had a wonderful time with your family at Legoland.
That place is just awesome!!! Took my niece there a few years ago. Dang, she was in heaven. Hey, I had a good time, too!
The Pineapple Express arrived via express-mail yesterday. Just about every river on this side of the hill is expected to crest sometime today or tomorrow.
Not in any danger of floods — checked the elevation maps before making a final decision which house to purchase. But, I sure feel sorry for those who are flooded seems about every other year.
Been out to help folks sandbag a bunch of times. No calls for volunteers, yet.
Temperature is already 55 and will rise all the way up to 58 today!
Whoo-hoo!!!
Almost time to break out the T-Shirt and shors, and waders, and umbrella, and . . .
Been saying for several years it would be nice if Hawai’ian actually painted one of its planes with the H and in the UH colors. I guess they are too reactionary.
Hoping Alaska does so soon! Can you imagine the visiting teams arriving in an “H” logo plane? That would be awesome. I think Alaska flies in or out of each of the MWC citis, too. They can connect at SEA or LAX and then fly directly to HNL.
Heck, with SWA perhaps flying to HNL why not have them do a “H” plane, too? They could compete for a charter contract since UH has to pay cost-sharing anyway. I do not know if SWA flies to all of the MWC cities but if they did it would work out the same way as it might for Alaska.
As was pointed out in an earlier post (CRW?) the teams traveled via 737s for their charters. What the heck?!?! If you do not ask, you definitely do not get.
Maybe Hawai’ian feels they already give enough to the UH?
GOOD MORNING TSAIKOS!
Waiting for da sun to rise over Waiehu to do some marketing.
Stay warm and dry, wafan!
Perhaps someday mainland school will pay a travel subsidy TO Hawaii to have them come to play on the mainland. Just thinkin.
GO WARRIORS
Updates on Dr. Terry Wang are being posted here:
http://www.hulaterri.blogspot.com/
Colt- you are still in our minds and prayers.
Gosh Liz, duffer, Bulla . . .
You folks are up early.
Did you already wake up or not yet go to bed?
Skeeters woke me up.
🙁
#353 wafan – If SWA was smart they would cut a deal with UH for a charter for both ways, UH going to the mainland and the teams coming over here. Why you ask, simple they are coming over here soon with regular service so what better PR would it be for them to advertise “UH Athletics Offical Airline” and a big H logo on the tail. Hawaiian would be in deep dodo for sitting on their hands.
Wafan
Going golfing
Great Morning All!
bhf2 in fine form this morning.
😆
…and observant
👿
Hey, I’m working on it!
🙁 😆
Regarding kick-off times.
Been to CFB games on the mainland with start times ranging from 12:00 to 5:00 local time. Seems to work well wherever I’ve seen it.
WDoc is right, nowhere but (808) do you see nighttime CFB unless TV dictates it.
As UHAD ventures into new territory, who knows? maybe the new TV deal will also force a change here.
One other thing.
In the few venues that do still sell alcohol, the afternoon sun has a “calming” effect on those who tend to imbibe to excess.
http://site.qwapi.com/siteserver/site?t=sKRt5eq4x.WiyivYXVDWsg&sid=nflprobowl
Voting for Davone Bess and others to come back for the ProBowl!
Cattle Call
Wednesday, 11:30 am
Thelma’s Restaurant
94-366 Pupupani Street, Waipahu
Westgate Shopping Center
Respond with: I going Tell Ma! to RSVP (just for headcount, they don’t take reservations)
Good morning Tsaikos everywhere.
Garret
thanks alot. ALOT.
Pomaii361, wafan353
you guys sure have a way with words.
HAWAIIAN AIR LINES
you gotta pay attention. an jump da gun,
make negotiations for lining up da flights for
2012 MWC. do your homework like JD did his.
make like da pilot in da movie INVICTUS.
“I’ll take it from here.” start figuing out when da
games gonna be played, yada yada.
Prioper prior planning prevents poor performance.
an jus tink, Jimmy D is a UH grad.
Ugh. Mosquitos. Darn things buzzing around. Sometimes it is was as if they were inside the ear canal, it was so loud. Glad have not had to suffer with that here! Of course, insomnia keeps me awake now. HA!
Worst thing is it sure seemed that was the only kind of female that was interested in me (or my blood).
Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
brrr… kinda cold here dis morning… must be in da very low 60s.
morning yu’all
much chatter and discussion so anyone for kope hour and bible studies mtg today? meet at nancy’s 10 sharp. if can post reply, will be taking looks to see who can up till 9:30. aw’ryte den
Congragulations Coach Mack. You earned da kudos. You and your team.
Good for you. You can focus on Tulsa. And you can focus on helping your coaches. They helped you! They have earned a raise. Looking forward to reading the good news.
g’morning
Koakane.
you read dat Coach Mack got a contract extension? great news. great news.
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I always appreciate reading your posts since you do substantial research and you thoroughly analyze the available data. There are too many of us who just post our feelings which may be totally off base from the actual situation.
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May as well shoot for #400 before ST wakes up.
Pushing it past #399?
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Somewhat humorous piece on how the MWC needs to change its name. I personally like the name Western Athletic Conference but that name is temporarily in use. The Mountain Waste Conference was applicable for a short period but now that it robbed the WAC of its top teams it’s actually looking pretty decent. Oh well, that is life on the frontier.
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Thanks Garret, as usual, for the clarification of a very complex situation. Go Raiders, still can make da playoffs!
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Much as I respect those you calling for an extension to Coach Mack’s contract, I believe first order of business should be raising the assistant coaches’ pay.
As Garret has pointed out, the really successful program take care of the assistants. I hope JD and Coach Mack are focused on this.
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Southwest Airlines either flies to, or is in earshot of all the MWC cities except Fresno. UH already pays Southwest to charter the football team from the west coast to their WAC destinations…perhaps a chance to expand on that with not only UH charters, but also MWC opponent charters?
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