Magill named A-A Honorable Mention
Magill one of the 120 or so honorable mention. which is the SOP for all-region first teasers. Missouri’s Carly Kan also HM
Likely will continue to be harder and harder for non-Power 5 teams to get recognition with the olds stacked against those conferences which continue to be limited in the number of postseason bids.
of the first team AA, only BYU’s Hamson among the 14
0 on the second team, 1 on the third.
FOY to Penn State’s Ali Franti
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This really is starting to be a joke.
I took a fast glance at the list and it is mainly love for the Power 5. Even then, its all about name recognition. Mary Kate Marshall had great stats, especially for a freshman, and she made third team. Had she been on Washington, or even Oregon, she’d be a first teamer (although being on those teams wouldn’t mean she would have the same stats).
It is true it will be harder for non Power conferences to get an AA on the 1st team list, however I wonder if McGill would have been placed on a AA team if Hawai’i made it to the semi’s in the final four.
Congrats to Magill. Thought she was going to be on the 3rd Team, but it’s hard to get recognized when your squad fails to get out of the subregionals.
AA list makes it easier — with the exception of Stanford — to narrow down the National POY contenders, to wit:
Stanford:
Madi Bugg S Jr.
Inky Ajanaku MB Jr.
Texas:
Haley Eckerman OH Sr.
BYU:
Jennifer Hamson RS Sr.
PSU:
Micha Hancock S Sr.
Anyone know how many seniors BYU has?
feel bad for Magill — thought she was deserving of AA recognition (not just HM). but there’s a lot of talent this year. and i agree, it’s tougher and tougher, with the changes and realignment of the regions of the AVCA, for other (non-power 5 schools, if that’s what we’re calling it now) to get on the AA list.
4 BYU has 4 seniors. Besides Hamson – 2OH and a DS. Congratulations to Magill. She deserved better.
Who exactly are the Power 5 teams? Are they Penn State, Stanford, Texas, Nebraska and Washington? What about UCLA, USC and now Wisconsin?
Also, Cindy, what did you mean by Jennifer Hamson being the only one of the 14? Briana Holman of LSU made first team All American and LSU is not in the Power5. I am a bit unclear about your second and third paragraphs. Maybe I am out of the loop in a way though I follow volleyball diligently.
Power 5 conferences, BCS conferences. Not power 5 teams.
Big Island VB fan — the ‘power 5’ is apparently the new way of referring to the BCS conferences, was is made up of the pac-12, big-10, big-12, sec, acc, and the big east (which has now been split into 2 conferences, the american athletic and the another conference that retained the name of the big east).
it doesn’t quite apply to volleyball, since the big east conferences are not “power” conferences in it. (they are arguably not “power” conferences in football either.)
but the AA lists for volleyball this year appear dominated by the pac-12, big-10, sec and texas … granted, some tremendous athletes from those schools and conferences.
it’ll be interesting to see if that is the way it will be from here on out. the AVCA regional realignments 2 years ago allows for more players from those conferences to be recognized on the AA-region teams, which of course, determines who is eligible for AA recognition.
I didn’t know until I looked up Wikipedia what the Power 5 Conferences meant. It’s a term in football, a sport which I don’t follow. But why would football power conferences apply to volleyball as well? Hawaii won three NCAA national volleyball championships and Long Beach had won three in volleyball and the Big West is not in the Power 5. There may be power teams in volleyball that are not necessarily power teams in football. Why does football define all sports then? I don’t think it’s fair.
I’m not a BYU fan in any way shape or form but I hope they win out. It will be refreshing to see a non-power 5 team win the national championship for a change. Hopefully going forward teams like Hawaii, LBSU, San Diego, and BYU can continue to go further in the tournament.
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The enormous amounts of money that the power 5 conferences make in football also affects the other sports. The more money the football teams make, the more money that goes to the other sports for recruiting, facilities, etc. As the BCS was created and the more money that came into those conferences, the more disparity there was between the teams from major conferences and the teams from non major conferences. The top recruits that once went to teams like Pacific, and LBSU began to go to teams like Penn State, Washington, etc.
4. go to byucougars.com to see roster.
10. Power 5 conferences formerly known as BCS.
7. LSU is in the SEC
9. have been saying for years that the BCS/Power 5 mentality has trickled down to volleyball and that includes the money received.
you can see it reflected in the number of bids given to the conferences.
13.
It baffles me that Kentucky continues to get a seed year in and year out, they always host and they always get bounced in the first or second round. Teams like BYU should have been seeded over them.
Thanks to all of you who answered my questions. So that’s why Big West cannot produce any more women’s volleyball national champions like Hawaii, Long Beach and UOP. It’s too bad that all sports feed off of football, a gladiator sport. Perhaps if football didn’t exist, it would level the playing field.
the terms “BCS” and/or “Power-5” apply some, but not entirely to volleyball. the big east is technically one of those power conferences, but they don’t get inflated bids or AA recognition …
the “power” in volleyball is narrower in scope … it’s dominated by a few conferences, and really by a few schools.
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The big east that you are thinking of no longer exists. The Power 5 includes:
Big 10
Big 12
Pac 12
ACC
SEC
thank you Andrew. You got the 5 conferences. The Big East is not one of them.
The Power 5/6 (when BCS) was all tied to BCS FB Postseason Bowl games.
The Big 8 was not one of the five 17 listed with automatic bowls.
The Big 8 is a power BB conference however.
The Big 8 (now with the “Group of Five”) is scattered nationally, nonregionally.
Loosely based, for Football, Basketball and Baseball. The Mid Major Conferences are
Atlantic 10 Conference (A-10)
Colonial Athletic Association (CAA)
Conference USA (C-USA)
Horizon League
Mid-American Conference (MAC)
Missouri Valley Conference (MVC)
Mountain West Conference (MWC)
West Coast Conference (WCC)
Western Athletic Conference (WAC).
Although the A 10 conference could be considered a Power conference for basketball only. As for Baseball, the Big West could be considered a Power conference.
As for the other sports it sponsor, including Women’s volleyball, the Big West is considered a Mid Major Conference. For Men’s Volleyball, Hawai’i plays in the MPSF which is considered the toughest Men’s conference in the country with members made up from several conferences including the Pac 12.
Hawai’i is one of the few Mid Major teams that give the power conference teams competition.
That being said, I think it makes what Shoji has done even more impressive. Sure teams like LBSU and BYU have had a lot of success in their program’s histories, but UH is pretty much the only non power 5 conference team that has consistently been a national power year in and year out. BYU has started to make a big comeback but they were out of the spotlight for quite some time. I could be wrong but if looking at series records against other teams, UH leads in pretty much every one except for against Penn State and maybe Washington?
items to carry over:
“McKenna Granato play for the West team, HS All- American match, its delayed on Saturday on CBS College Sports Network, channel 1247 at 1:00 pm HST.”
also cindy are there any discussion about reinstalling the moloka’i clinic and scrimmage in march? dunno if adolpho, mendoza and long would be there.
andrew & cindy — yup, the “big east” (which has since split into 2) is no longer part of this “power-5” … i was just pointing out that the “big east” was part of the BCS. (see my post in #9.)
even when the BCS was still around, however, the “big east” was never a power player in volleyball.
Money is the heart of the BCS-Power Five Conference. The BCS conferences have inside track to the major football bowls and the four-team playoffs. When non-BCS schools crack the major bowls like Boise State for several years and Hawaii for one year under June Jones the payoff is tremendous. For example, Hawaii made million of dollars when it played in the Sugar Bowl. Anyways a lots of money. The BCS bowl games were and are lucrative. For example, having lavish training tables and training facilities make a difference for all sports and not only football. Hawaii is successful in volleyball because in the past it was the only program in the nation to make money with its nation-leading attendance (now Nebraska has taken over the lead). BYU is also unique in that like Notre Dame it has a true, continuous national following among Mormons and Catholics respectively. That allows it to compete in many sports.
Volleyball started making money when Stan Sheriff Center was able to attract larger crowds than any of the previous arena like Klum Gym and Blaisedell Center. It was the vision of one man, not football or BCS power that did it. Also volleyball is such a fun game to watch and the Rainbow Wahines were good. For years we had the largest fan attendance until Nebraska had a bigger structure. Our ‘ohana culture helped promote volleyball and there are no pro-sports teams in our island, so volleyball took its place. I laud all the retired teacher fans with their banners, plying leis on our players after every match. This is so wonderful!
I think the reason it’s hard to attract numerous high caliber athletes is the amount of traveling they have to do during the season. It takes them away from classes and wears them down. I applaud any athlete gutsy enough to face this enormous travel challenge. Moreover, volleyball programs can thrive without football like UCSB and Long Beach. I refuse to accept that the presence of football is vital to a successful volleyball team. Thus I would rejoice doubly if Hawaii makes it back to the Final Four sometime in future years and especially if the team achieved the impossible dream that eluded them for 27 years now.
#24. But VB is not a stand alone sport that can remain in Div. I without the other sports (even without football).
Without football, UH would need to maintain a minimum number of sports, including VB, to remain in Div. I and the Big West — which does have a number of schools without football. But the expense to fund these sports is underwritten (subsidized) by the universities and the State of California for many of these universities.
Even with football generating revenues, and VB generating net revenue, we don’t have sufficient upper campus and State support — thus the department operates in the red most of the time.
Cindy, what you say about non-Power 5 players having difficult time getting recognition is true, but in the case of Olivia Magill, I thought there were other players that had better seasons at middle blocker. Olivia had a good, really good season. That’s why she got recognition. But its one of those coulda, woulda, shoulda have had a better season. Maybe next season as the Wahine return a solid nucleus and cuts down on mistakes, etc., Olivia and/or other Wahine can crack into one of the first-third teams
football & men’s basketball help women sports – those 2 sports offer many scholarships to male athletes. because of title 9, schools are required to provide an equal amount of scholarships for women athletes. think of how many young women are having an opportunity to go to college on athletic scholarships, because of the football/basketball.
Think Magill is a very good player. Believe she can be great and even be considered as a first team AA, IF, she can connect with the setter. IMHO: too many miscues on connections and she was not set enough. If she is going to reach the highest level, believe she needs to earn and wear the “impact” player handle. Love to see her perform at that level.
Expect Nikki to come back stronger, she continues to improve; same with Kalei.
Huff needs to be challenged more and work against and with players that can challenge her to step up. Same with Maglio…
Bottom line: If you earn the right to play in the final 4, regardless of Big 5 or otherwise, you’ll turn heads and these folks gotta look at you or they’ll get beaten by you. JMO
22. The Molokai trip is still scheduled as far as I know. Not sure why you think the 3 mentioned wouldn’t be there. All three are in school this spring at UH. None are playing sand. Long and Longo planning to graduate in May. Adolpho planning to return to play basketball 2015=16.
27. what makes it hard for Hawaii is it’s in the Pacific North Region that includes the Pac-12 North, with Washington and Stanford.
Very strange that they split the Big West into north and south since there’s only nine schools. The LBS and CSUN players were Pacific South
The process for All-American honors in Magill’s case: First-team all-conference, first-team all-region. there were 42 players on the first three teams. Think 120 honorable mention.
Football definitely impacts women’s volleyball. When football is able to generate millions of dollars for the former BCS schools and now, the schools in the Power 5 conferences, the money earned from football by the Power 5 conferences must be shared with the women sports in those schools (via Title IX). Thus, more money is funneled into the volleyball programs in these schools. More money means better coaches, facilities, uniforms, equipment, travel arrangements, meals, etc. which attract the prized recruits. If the Power 5 conferences continue on their present course without including UH, then it’s just a matter of time before the weaker teams of the Power 5 conferences “catch-up” with UH. UH has been able to compete with the schools of the Power 5 conferences because of fan support, program tradition, and maybe Dave Shoji’s stature, but we’re gradually losing ground. A strong football program is an absolute requirement for any possible consideration for UH membership in any of the Power 5 conferences. That’s why, the current blight of UH football is so damaging to the entire athletic department, including Wahine Volleyball.
In regards to women’s volleyball attendance, Nebraska simply has more fans than Hawaii. Nebraska moving into a larger venue allows more of their fans to attend the volleyball matches. Hawaii moving into a larger venue will not attract more fans. In fact, it appears that Hawaii’s attendance is shrinking. I remember regular season games in the Stan Sheriff Center that were sold out, but now only a few post-season games are sold-out.
31. You are certainly correct. We still have large crowds for our volleyball venue, but it has been 27 years since winning a national title. Hawaii fans ride the high emotions and can really pack the Stan Sheriff Arena, but it will take a future team to make the standing room believers return. The 9,000-10,000 plus crowds will return when we can return to the ‘glory days.’ It may take our team to get past the 2nd round once and for all….Other than that you will have the loyal 4,000-7,000 people like the past years. ( other than UCLA and Texas matches. The rest of the fans will settle to watch it on OC-16…
Regardless, 98% of all the college volleyball programs would drool to have 4,000-7,000 fans on a steady diet. If volleyball went down like football did the past years, i guarantee the crowds would shrink to 1,000-2,000….That’s how it goes!!! Jus’ got to WIN baby!!
have to disagree with your “Nebraska has more fans.” sure if you go based on arena attendance. but Hawaii’s fan base is spread across all islands and is on the mainland. easily evidenced by opponents having their highest attendance when they play UH. Those are Wahine fans coming to watch.
Also easy for fans to watch on TV.
As for sellouts, in the 20 years of the SSC (1994-2013) there have been only 14 sellouts, 9 were regular-season matches, 5 were postseason. Nine of the sellouts happened between 1994 and 96.
attendance has gone up and down from the all-time high of 8300 in 1996.
2013 averaged 5200, this season the average was 6600 so they were up by 1400.
Nebraska limited their attendance by playing in the smaller arena, about 4100. They could have played in the bigger arena but chose not to.
the new court is about 8100 and they’ve sold it out the past 2 seasons.
28. Think you’re confusing Title IX with gender equity.
Schools with football will never be able to offer as many scholarships for women because there is no women’s sport that can offer as many as DI football does, which is 85.
That is why women’s volleyball offers 12, men’s volleyball 4.5
women’s basketball 15, men’s basketball 13
25. Wahine volleyball made money almost from the beginning, including sellouts of Blaisdell and capacity crowds at Klum Gym before moving to the SSC.
29. Agree Magill could have been set more but much depends on how teams stacked the block and the passing.
Higgins set a pretty balanced offense IMHO.
Manu-Olevaowho mixed 3 matches had 820 attempts, Greeley 798, Taylor who missed 7 matches 657. Magill 558.
33. Yes, I referring to women’s volleyball attendance. I meant Nebraska has more fans in attendance.
33. Were the 1994, 1995 and 1996 seasons the Ah Mow and Lundquist era? If not, who were the main starters for those seasons?
One of the main reasons the Wahine sold out in ’94 – ’95 is the fans were FEDERAL ADMISSION. First come, first serve seating.
34. sounds like title ix is too weak. maybe need to create a title x or something similar to separate womens athletics to make it independent of a ‘lousy’ football program. once that is established volleyball should be promoted to max possible.
but hey its america right? nobody is interested on espn and other sports venues on other than football playoffs or basketball all-star games (mens). think nfl and nba respectively. wnba is hardly found, noticed, or have folded and i believe there were some a couple or few professional womens volleyball leagues which have ceased to exist.
now, i like football and basketball but am also tired of them the same watching them all the time. america needs some more womens sports league namely volleyball and basketball to be added into the attack, and by design.
22. Wildcard: Mahalo for the notice!
More information: “The match will be aired on CBS Sports Network on Saturday, December 20th at 6:00pm ET (tape delay) and Sunday, December 21st at 9:30pm ET (tape delay).”
Last year’s program was published by AVCA Volleyball on YouTube in mid-January 2014, so that will likely be an option next month for those who miss this weekend’s broadcast.
39. Title IX is part of the amendments to the Education Act of 1972, which is the amended part of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was not intended to impact athletics but it eventually was applied to athletics because chools received federal funding.
There is no correlation between the law and UH’s football-volleyball situation.
37-38. The reason for the sellouts of 94-95 (yes, Lungquist, Ah Mow, Robins)
1. the arena was brand new in 94. 2 sellouts, opening night and final Big West home match.
2. the 95 team was undefeated until the NCAA regional final vs. Michigan State. They sold out 5 of the final 7 home matches, 2 against Long Beach State and all 3 NCAA tournament matches.
38. not sure what federal admission is but there was reserved seating in parts of the arena from the beginning. It was not the total first come-first served situation of Klum Gym.
I don’t think, for UH anyway, Title IX is too weak. UH fields 7 men’s sports, 12 women’s sports, and 2 co-ed sports. Roughly, there are 400 student athletes participating in UH Athletics and the gender split is about even (50/50). I would say Title IX is hard at work and very effective.
30: Correction: Ali graduated today, although she did not walk in the commencement ceremony.