Day after: SDSU
Maybe the toughest part of the schedule wasn’t over.
In what has become a recurring theme in this series, the Aztecs set the tone with their Power-I running attack. While the Warriors made the defensive adjustment after the first two drives, the 14-0 start changed the game’s strategy.
Looking ahead, the Warriors: 1) Need to get off to better — more inspired? — starts. 2) Heal. 3) Avoid self-inflicted mistakes (penalties, drops, missed assignments.
Agree. But can they change momentum?
Props to Kennedy T., Julian G., and Jerrol GW. Two TDs, UH had their chances, but still……. Updates on injuries?
Ok, now the toughest part of the schedule is over…again.
Maybe now Chow will lead this team to a bowl game.
Extend Chow now before another team comes in and woos him away with a better offer.
Old School Dave: Saw the same thing as you. Those guys left their blood and guts on that field last night. Dissapointed with the results but proud of the effort.
Let’s Go Bows. Get it on the road…
The team will only go as far as the offense lets them. That falls squarely on the coaches because honestly the schemes aren’t working. Qb seems to be left to dry when other team brings pressure their never seems to be a hot read. We use play action yet we can’t run I don’t understand. I honestly believe we have the talent just they haven’t been put in a situation to succeed especially offensively.
Yes extend Chow he’s the greatest coach Hawaii has ever had! We will not find another like him. Extend Chows contract now before it’s too late!
Chow please stay you’re the best thing that happened to Hawaii football and the state! You’re the greatest!
Refreshing to see that in this morning’s paper both Lewis and Reardon have the balls to call it like it is regarding the UH football performances and fortunes. Wonder if this bold, honest insight is going to get them banned by the coach for future reporting access?
One of Chow’s quotes this morning is that they can still go 9 – 4, guess his chasing championship mantra is still active in his prehistoric mind. Has he been watching the same performance levels of the Warriors we all have been seeing? Does he know that many of the upcoming MWC games coming up are going to be a lot tougher than previously thought?
Been watching both SJSU and UNLV a lot this season. Both have been improving each week, look pretty decent on both sides of the ball and coaching staff making good game time decisions. These two games are going to be brawls IMO. At this time only see games versus New Mexico, Louisiana-Monroe and Fresno State as possibly winnable.
ESPN predicts we win just two more games– Fresno State, and Louisiana Monroe. These are the probabilities of a UH win: New Mexico 27.4%, Nevada 20.5%, Air Force 35.0%, Nevada Las Vegas 21.8%, Fresno State 74.7%, San Jose State 37.3%, and Lousiana Monroe 58.5%. So not looking good. Neet a transformation of the team at this point to hit at least 6 wins.
I don’t think I can go through the pain of another loss. I was of the opinion that Chow should be given a chance to show he can turn it around. Now I believe his chances have run out.
I realize there are many factors that contribute to making a successful program and Hawaii is hampered by its location and paucity of funds. I feel we have local coaching talent that given a chance may bring something that is missing. Perhaps it is time to look within the state and its expats for an interim head coach.
It has been hard to come around to this opinion, but what do we owe the kids like Kennedy and Julian? Seems we owe them a chance as much as I used to think we owed Chow a chance.
It’s time …. Nuff said.
Realistically, who will UH go after for a head coach?
I think Chow had his chance & didn’t work out but really who are we going to hire next?
Lets regroup and heal and go for broke!!!!!!!
Beat New Mexico!!!!!!
Matlin should tell Gib never mind about that settlement. He has a head coach to buy out immediately.
Our OL, RB and TE need to be able to protect Wittek… Just two more seconds… I think it will make a world of difference. Defense played well most of the game but would give up big plays once in a while. There were wide opened receivers in the middle of the field… There were big runs by SDSU RBs… It is not like this team i not playing hard, they were playing their hearts out! Somehow, we came up short! There were problems with executions… defense giving up first down on fourth, offensive trick plays did not work, returners kept coming out from end zone and did not make it back to the 25 yard line… Well, need to have faith!!!!! Let’s hope that we can score on the road and score enough to win the next two road games. Let’s go Rainbow Warriors!!!!! Quoting Rob Schneider from various movies: “You can do it!!!”
It’s great that Homecoming had a not too embarrassing attendance last night, but it looks like 2 more years of this and UH will sell only 10 thousand season tickets a year.
2012: 20,821 (Final – Hawaii Reporter)
2013: 18,194 (Final – Hawaii Reporter)
2014: 17,224 (Final – Pacific Business News)
2015: 15,007 (3 Sept 2015 – Hawaii News Now)
2015 – MANOA, OAHU (HawaiiNewsNow) – 3 Sept 2015
“The UH football team kicks off its season Thursday against Colorado. As of midday Monday, only 15,007 season tickets had been sold. That’s well off last year’s 17,224, and on pace for the lowest number on record.”
We really need to analyze the biggest issue yesterday:
Chase Utley, c’mon, man, that was not a cool thing to do.
New Mexico is licking their chops right now. Their weekly practice schedule has been re-worked. Monday through Wednesday, rest up. Thursday through Friday, lift weights, no contact practice, implement basic game plan.
Maryland fired their head coach today after three straight losses and going 22-34 during his tenure.
You CAN fire a coach during the season. There you go, UH will not be the first team of the season. Make it happen.
WTF is UH waiting for?
We don’t block or run good enough to play a one legged quarterback. We are not deep or good enough to red shirt players. We need to put our healthy players on the field and let the injured heal. I am beginning to think that our coaches can not coach up our young players.
SDSU controlled the LOS as did teams which beat UH
whenever the opponent has 3rd and long yardage, UH defense coaches decide to bring in an extra LB and Safety expecting the 2 down lineman to bring pressure on the QB when during the game 3 DL and 4 LB could not bring pressure
result, QB has tons of time to find an open receiver at least 85% of the time and get the 1st down – I have to question the logic – UH is not alone with this tactic and most of the time the defense gives up good yardage
win and go to bowl game should not be used as the criteria to keep Chow – none at all — jmho — Chow is not HC material.
if UH loses the next 2 games on the road, it will be very surprising to see 15,000 fans the rest of the season — none at all!!!!!!!!!!!
UH upper campus says NO $$$ to buy out Chow, but they may pay Arnold up to $1.4 million???
where is the $$$ coming from??????????
say hey – just charge it against the UHAD!
For Hawaii, it is tough to fire a head coach in the middle of the season. Still need to pay Chow even if we do it right now. Let’s wait until the end of the season. May be can announce the firing early and advertise for the position early to beat the competition for good coaches. I know a lot of people are crying out for JJ… However, JJ is not a great recruiter. Brennan and Bess, two of his best players came here because of troubles with the laws in the past… Coach Mac was worse than JJ because there was absolutely no depth when he left… May be younger coaches like Aranda, Rolovich (although his Wolfpacks are not doing so well), Clune, Ulbrich, and even Miano. We need someone energetic and who can recruit… Sure hope they keep Naeole, Gouveia, on staff because they have local connections. LB recruits are good, need to improve OL recruits – need more than one Ben Clarke.. If three of the five are strong recruits, our line will be much better. Of course, need DL is depleted right now as welll… need more good d-lineman as well… C’mon, Hawaii high school players, if you are good, please consider staying home!!
Tanman … you have given the very reason UH needs to fire him NOW. Do you have any idea how long it takes UH to hire coaches? They need half the season just for the required posting period.
#24 Tanman, why is it tough to fire a coach in the middle of the season? Here is a thought “can Chow now”. Yes team is playing hard, but no real direction or identity, very little improvement since September. A change would be in
the best interest of the program.
Appoint Mason interim head coach, he could then take restrictions off of the purported “Offensive Coordinator”, who up to this point many people feel he is only a figure head for Chow. The OC can do what he said at the start, play up tempo exciting offensive football like at Idaho State. Team and coaches will rally after the negative, yelling at other coaches in public influence of Chow is removed. Ask yourself this, would this scenario be any worst off than that he team’s performance to date?
I think Chow will be fired when UH is out of the running for a bowl game (which with the way the team is currently playing should be at the end of the month)
UHAD can’t wait till December to start their search committee. They should start a search committee in November and have a hire by mid December at the latest.
Miano as interim coach with for remainder of season and 2016 season. Got to give the guy a chance to turn it around. 2017 will depend on his performance in 2016.
Question: After seeing Chow struggle in wins against Colorado and UC Davis, and lose to SDSU, how many paying fans would want to see Chow return in 2016 even if he made it to a bowl game? I was hopeful that he could pull a rabbit out of his hat for season 4 … but it didn’t happen.
NO NEED TO FIRE….. just relieve his of his duties…appoint sumone now on staff to take over… n see what happens n make decision at end of schedule…
THEY WON’T FIRE…relieve is better.. no need guts or money for that….
Obviously something is wrong about the offense. They can’t run the ball, score points, defend the rush and pass routes are easily defended. When SDSU had overloaded one side and showed rush, the Bows had no answer and three defenders rushed in unblocked. No reaction like an audible? There are few play action or misdirection plays. Above all, this is supposed to be a better team than last year’s team with depth and talent. After all, last year’s starting QB is no. 2. Bailey needs to find an answer because the scheme is not “sound”.
I guess u fire a head coach mid season if he’s the problem and, ur trying to salvage the season.
Sarkasian has taken a leave if absense, maybe Chow should do the same.
Please let this be the beginning of the “removed” coaches dominoes.
Edsell fired, Sarkisian LOA, Chow?????
Looks like Sarkisian is struggling with mental health issues. No wonder Chow lost the game last night. He was worried about his protege!
Anyway, would be pretty strange if Chow gets released, ends up back on the USC staff and starts to win championships again.
Leaving the game last night I truly had to ask myself why I do this anymore. After over 25 continuous years as a seasons ticket holder and I really feel “done.” I don’t expect every game to be great. But I do miss those days of a competitive team and a rocking stadium. Perhaps those days are gone permanently.
If I didn’t have seasons tickets I doubt I would attend any more games this year. I find the games painful to watch. I think next year I might attend a few games if the team is interesting but doubt I will commit to every game as I have over the past 25+ years. I feel like I have done my part to support the team and the athletic dept. But there does come a time when I expect my commitment to be reciprocally met by an entertaining team that has a chance to be competitive and win games. Some might say I am bailing out on the team and not being supportive. But I would say instead that it is long past the time that I adjust my support to a level that is consistent with the product on the field.
As for coach Chow. I wish him the best but he has failed in an area of life where winning is the point. It feels like his team does not believe they can win. A change is needed. If UH cannot beat New Mexico next week I feel he should be relieved of his duties. One of the assistants can be promoted to interim and the search can start now for a new HC. Keeping him beyond next week (if he loses) only prolongs the inevitable and reduces the time needed for an effective search for a new coach. Also I think it is possible that a change in coaches will actually inspire the team to come together and believe in themselves. I must say it would be a relief to not watch him roaming the sidelines and jawing at the officials anymore.
I’m beginning to think we’re getting closer to the days of Chow being fired!!!! I’m starting to get happy!! I know there’s no way Chow will the coach next year. Chow is a sinking ship.
the time is now !! let see if the new AD has balls !! if want help from the state you got put a better coach there !!
i bet if you fire chow now more people would come to the game !!
#35 Wouldn’t that be something
IMHO coaching positions at Maryland of the B1G and Hawaii of the MWC can’t be compared.
Miano claims damage due to brain trauma yet he has enough left to be a HC? Something doesn’t sound right. Bailey as interrim coach would be a big mistake. I still think if someone from the past is resurrected, it should be Dave Aranda.
#36 Arcumfortis – “I find the games painful to watch.”
That is how I feel too. When Saturday comes around I expect I’ll tune into 1420 and listen again. But only time will tell if I leave the radio on for the entire game.
I feel sad for the players. For years now they have faced each game with grit and passion, they deserve better.
Don’t buy the line that UH doesn’t have money to buy out the contract. I laugh my rear end off every time I hear that. They do. They can. The only question is will they.
Folks, there is always money to do things and $600,000 is laughable amount to be frank. Just trust me when I say that $$$ is not the biggest issue to worry about even if people use that line as a crutch.
Amongst my tailgate group which includes fans and season ticket buyers of 30 and 40 plus years, including pretty decent sized boosters to UHAD, there is absolutely ZERO confidence in Chow.
The change is inevitable. If we must wait till seasons end for the sake of logistics then so be it. But Chow is not our future.
Been thinking about what’s in it for UH to replace Chow now. No doubt the Warriors are still playing hard but as we have witnessed playing hard can only take a team so far. The missing ingredient IMO is playing with confidence. Perhaps a different HC could improve that confidence which could lead to a few more wins and set the stage to rebuild fan confidence.
#40. Stupid comment.
Sorry meant to add, in other words, It’s not about not having the money. It’s about not having the authority to or support of the person able to sign that check.
The money is there. There just needs to be a will.
Again, believe me. I see this all the time.
#40 – el burro sabio
I think at this point who ever takes over as HC will need the support of the community – if that isn’t Miano, it has to be someone that has the best interest of UH football in his heart.
Tanman: “Defense played well most of the game but would give up big plays once in a while. There were wide opened receivers in the middle of the field… There were big runs by SDSU RBs…”
so… in other words, the defense didn’t play that well during the game.
Very sad watching UH lose to a terrible team. Sorry to say everyone that said Chow must be fired now is correct. We will get less fans, more players transferring out, and more coaches moving on. I saw Powell on TV celebrating Utah’s win over Cal. Will we wait till December to look for a new coach?
Nutmegger, agreed, I just don’t think Miano is the man for the job. I could be wrong of course.
Old Diver, I guess I’m the kettle then.
If you fire Chow and bring in an interim HC, it has to be from within the staff to make any sense at all. So all of this Miano talk is irrelevant.
I’d go for the most experience, and on this staff, I think it is Wayne Moses. Let the coordinators run the offense and defense and let Moses wear the headset.
No one is suggesting that firing Chow would save the season. But most people would probably agree that it would be a statement to players and fans that mediocrity is not the ceiling here.
Agree – Moses would be a good interim coach.
Why does it seem that a mobile qb would run this offense much better???
“No one is suggesting that firing Chow would save the season. But most people would probably agree that it would be a statement to players and fans that mediocrity is not the ceiling here.”
yes. it won’t save the season, but it shows that the status quo is unacceptable and that the administration is serious about the program moving in a different direction.
For the record, whether chow von appen is fired now or at the end of the season, i think it m makes no difference. hopefully the athletic dept and UH admin already know that they are going to fire him and so are taking appropriate steps to make sure the transition to a new head coach will be as smooth as possible, including compiling a short list of coaching candidates and sending out feelers to them.
I also don’t care whether the new coach is local/has ties to hawaii or is from the mainland. a good coach is a good coach.
Because you open up the run game which Warriors are struggling mightily on the field.
kev-1, I like what you wrote, except I would prefer the interim to be Tom Mason. This move/decision should be taken before Halloween.
Early lines indicated Warriors will be five point underdogs against UNM.
“Why does it seem that a mobile qb would run this offense much better???”
no idea. woolsey is pretty mobile. he also runs the offense pretty terribly.
someone earlier in another blog post said that UH needs a mobile quarterback to counteract the blitzing that defenses bring on UH. You dont’ need a qb who can run. You need a quarterback who can make fast decisions, throw the ball accurately, good play calling, and execution in blocking assignments and route running.
Look up Mason’s record when he was appointed interim at SMU when JJ stepped down.
58. In all fairness, SMU was a total dumpster fire last year. Kinda like Fresno St this year. There wasn’t a coach in the world that could have salvaged SMU in 2014.
The times when Mason has been asked to be interim coach have been times of total darkness. Back when Mason was tabbed as interim HC, Boise St was a revolving door at the HC spot. I think there were like 4 or 5 HCs in a 4-5 year span.
Why does it seem that a mobile qb would run this offense much better??? give you more time to run routs , roll out ,can open up the offence more !!
Is it true Sarkisian might lose his job!
59. Agreed about SMU’s struggles after JJ’s exit.
However, I also think there isn’t a coach on staff that would be able to salvage UH’s season this year either. If this season isn’t considered a dumpster fire it’s definitely smoldering.
Stop the bleeding, fire Norm Chow.
Hmm, wasn’t Mason part of Poke Allen era?
I think he was interim when Allen took leave to deal with being diagnosed with cancer.
Forgot to express speedy recovery wishes to LG Elijah Tupai who suffered a leg injury in last night’s game. And also to Max Wittek.
Listening to coach after the game he has no answers. We need to find one that does. The same old thing will only result in the same old results. No need to panick. Just need to find someone who may have the right solutions to team woes. We have the players.
“However, I also think there isn’t a coach on staff that would be able to salvage UH’s season this year either. If this season isn’t considered a dumpster fire it’s definitely smoldering.”
someone isn’t paying attention. the point of an interim head coach isn’t necessarily that the coach will save the season and turn things around (and let’s be honest: an interim head coach probably won’t turn things around this season. UH just flat out is NOT a good football team).
the point is an emphatic statement by administration and the athletic department to the boosters, fans, and the school that the program needs to head in a different direction and the status quo is unacceptable.
it also lets other coaches on the market know that a position is open and that the school is looking to fill it.
i’m not saying that firing chow now is necessarily the way to go, but there are advantages in demonstrating to the fan base that change will happen.
66. Well said! The eternal optimist in me does wonder if we could do better with someone else at the helm. But your point about the “statement” removing the coach would make is spot on. It says clearly that being perpetually on the losing side of games is not acceptable.
The smart move if the UHAD plans to fire Chow is to do it NOW. Allowing for Hawaii’s top heavy selection process and snail like pace– the new Coach should be up and running before the season is completed for obvious reasons.
I can not imagine allowing any more time to lapse. What more is left to see?
AD should have been planning this from the get go.
“i’m not saying that firing chow now is necessarily the way to go, but there are advantages in demonstrating to the fan base that change will happen.”
Most athletic departments don’t operate that way. They don’t convey to the fan base that an ultimatum was given to a head coach that he needs to win this many games and go to a bowl game or he’s out of here or his job is on the line.
Chow did appoint Naeole assistant head coach this year. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was interim if there was a change.
Tom Mason served as interim coach at SMU after JJ departed.
I can think of at least 6 current coaches with STRONG credentials and Hawaii connections that would jump in a NY moment to take the job at Hawaii. If our current AD is not prepared he is not doing his job.
everyone now chow got go !! its hard watch the game on tv and more so in person !!
but who has hard is guys like ST , voice of uh sports,the play by play guys !! and so on !!
The team actually looked “upbeat” on the sidelines well unto the
end of the game. There are more important things in life than
winning a football game—like study and graduation and health.
I hear tell that LSU great running back may sit out next year to
protect his NFL chances. By the Way, USC coach was not fired.
Just on a leave of absence after showing up at a pep rally drunk
and drugged according to his own words.
Some medicines don’t mix with alcohol…
There is more to the Sark story in addition to the pep rally incident. Apparently didn’t show to practice and was at team facilities pretty messed up. He is in fact on an LOA. Sounds like he has some serious personal issues going on. Getting divorced, etc.
But let’s not get side tracked … FIRE CHOW NOW
I think Sarkisian’s marital problems (announced divorce earlier this year) has impacted his mental health and led to his substance abuse problems. He just needs to enter rehab and seek a mental healthy professional to get back on track.
With what will ultimately be a committee process again and the posting timelines required by law, its imperative that the opening be done sooner rather than later to ensure the new HC has time not only to be chosen but time for the all important recruiting process.
At the beginning of the season, I felt that Chow shouldn’t be replaced in 2015 unless/until bowl eligibility was no longer an option. I thought that the new offensive coordinator, a new offensive strategy, and Max Wittek being named the pre-season #1 QB in the MWC by Phil Steele meant that the program would be much better than last year, but might face growing pains. But after seeing Chow struggle against even UC Davis, and lose at home to SDSU, I agree that it’s time to read Chow’s contact and look for a smart way to insert an interim head coach and start the search for a new head coach for the 2016 season.
Please resign Coach Chow or be fired soon.
#78 … Honestly, I am not as disappointed in not living up to those expectations as I am with how much of the fan base and powers that be seem content with the idea that our team isn’t supposed to beat a certain level of team. That is my real point of contention.
Too many people, and quite frankly many people on this board, have become too accepting of UH being a bad team that has to wait for worse teams on their schedule to come around in order to win.
When did this happen to our program? We used to be the team that bigger teams never wanted to play because they didn’t want to get upset. Coming to Aloha Stadium used to frequently be considered a potential trap game where opposing teams could fall victim to an overachieving mid-major school.
Now, every week the headlines read something to the fact of “The tough part of the season is over” or “no one really expected UH to win this game,” etc., etc.
I am tired of that, and judging by today’s comments, many others finally are too. For those of you that think I am just a negative poster, you’re wrong. I am an extremely proud UH football fan who is embarrassed at what our program has become. I was a kid in the stands at Aloha Stadium when UH upset Iowa years ago. From that moment on, I was hooked. Through the good years and the bad I have always supported the team.
Now is the time for Matlin to send a message to ME and YOU ALL and the PLAYERS and COLLEGE FOOTBALL that UH will have a proud football future and that we will no longer tolerate what Chow has put on the field.
When you think of the culture of UH football, you think of the tough defenses of the Tomey and Wagner days. You think of the potent offense of the JJ days. Those coaches have been given credit in UH football lore for changing, improving, and impacting the culture UH football.
Ask yourself honestly … what has Chow done to the culture of UH football?
Knock down drag out going on at the Stanley. 2 games a piece. 7-3 Us.
The Beach on the Ropes. 11-5
Go Wahine! 😀
Aloha thank you for the game Long Beach! Have a safe trip back home…hehe
Players play the game. Coaches coach the players. How many times in the last 3 years did # 1 get beat deep for a touchdown? We were back in the game at that time. Why is he making the same mistakes and still is in there at that position? Bench him. He has been our weak link at numerous critical times. Put someone is that plays with discipline.
I also didn’t agree with coaches decision to put Max back into the game late after being injured when he was visibly lacking mobility to replace Ikaika. At that point Ikaika was a better option.
#93-#84-#8 played well. Receivers again didn’t get the separation that they needed to give max a target. I thought that neither the defensive line or scheme was solid against the run or pass. Pass rush was non-existent at times which allowed time for a weak passer to complete some passes which he should not have. If we could have prevented just a few of his completions we could won this game. Take something away!
Also still waiting for the anticipated up tempo…………………..
That first Aztec drive.
What was that all about?
Pumphrey is not Marshall Faulk.
Hawaii has got to be better than New Mexico, right?
Still time to save the season.
Good evening, Tsai-kos!
Last night’s homecoming game drew a lot to the stands contrary to what posts yesterday said!
I’ve been to every home game thus far and the attendance count went up a whole lot for sure!
Thank you to the fans who came out!
I still love my team no matter what!
Gen. McCarthur once said at his kinda forced retirement “OLD SOLDIERS NEVER DIE THEY JUST FADE AWAY”. OUR HEAD COACH SHOULD SAY THE SAME. Good Bye!
We all love the team. But hate what it has become. We are 5 point underdogs to New Mexico and that will be a tough game at altitude and facing the 11th ranked rushing team in the country.
Yea Kev-1…that game against Iowa was 1999 me think…was watching it to day….along with the upset of # 4 BYU…with Gabriel at QB…59-28….WITH CHOW N DETMER AT THE HELM 4 THEM…..
Both Wagoner coached teams…n very…very big contrast in the victory…when the clock ticks zero…from Chows victory last season against the rebels of Nevada….if ne of u have time go watch them 3 games…last few seconds…u you will definitely see the different styles in players n how they all react to a victory…with different coaches…so easy to spot…
Me still think our teams win at Lincoln has to be the biggest upset in UH history… n the BYU game the second…only because maybe we are at home…before a jammed packed screaming fans…looking 4 blood…unbelievable game…worth watching when u have time…
Okay so that’s done, at least for me. Headed to NM to watch the game and visit with ancient Warriors teamates from the lat 60’s and early seventies. Reminded our host that I am the youngest and I finished in 73! Still have faith in salvaging this season and so it begins this week-gotta change some things and do something to generate offense. I know someone will take exception to this but NM bulk of rushing offense came at the expense of Mississippi Valley State, New Mexico State and Wyoming. Means nothing if we don’t show up-means a lot if we do. Rather stay positive and am going to do my best to will them to victory. Don’t care if we are 5 point undersdogs, but learned a long time ago that if you want something you have never had then you gotta do some things you’ve never done! Go Warriors!
I pilfered this from ESPN.
Portland State is in the college football notes because after their 66-7 throttling of North Texas, their head coach was fired.
PSU has two victories over FBS competition.
The last time they accomplished this feat was 2000.
The two victims: Hawaii(I was there, I remember a drunk fan behind me screaming: “Go back to junior college, you f*****’ “haole”!) and New Mexico.
Just saw this, don’t know if it had been posted. Article on UH recruit Adarrus Wilson from the Daily Breeze.
New post: http://hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=33716