Comments on: Thursday back on line, Manu-Olevao, Mitchem https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/ Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:58:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612724 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:57:08 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612724 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32821

new thread up for Friday

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By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612719 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:46:51 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612719 Thanks for all the kind words. I do the mis days when we were a little more creative with the previews, my favorite being the ‘Chemistry’ one that had coach as the mad scientist.

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By: Maverick https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612716 Sat, 29 Aug 2015 00:10:41 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612716 Cindy, I really enjoyed the preview section, particularly the discussions of the returning and new players. Great way to get us prepared for tonight’s opening season match. However, the article on RPI has some issues (I quote from the article directly):

1. “Play the best team in a bad conference and one’s RPI will take a hit. Lose that match and it’s a disastrous free-fall.” This is not necessarily true. If you play a 27-3 team from a bad conference, that 27-3 record will do more to boost the RPI (50% weighting) than the impact of the bad conference’s overall won-loss record (the second 25% factor in the RPI). And the difference between winning and losing that match is approximately .008 (to be adjusted for opponent’s opponents’ won-loss record), hardly enough to warrant a “disastrous free-fall”. In fact, you can’t even say if a team’s RPI ranking will fall if the team wins vs. loses that match because you don’t know the relative RPI values for teams ranked around it. I agree from a human voting perspective that a loss to a non-power team will be punished more harshly than a loss to a highly ranked team, but that has nothing to do with RPI. I agree you would prefer to schedule stronger conference opponents than weaker conference opponents to increase the opponents’ opponents’ won-loss value and boost that portion of the RPI, all other things being equal.

2. “Beat a middle-of-the-pack team in a highly ranked conference and good things can happen. Lose “as expected” and the damage is palatable.” Not sure what you mean by good things can happen, but beating a middling team in a good conference is less valuable that beating that conference’s leader. And per #1 above, you would prefer to schedule teams from strong conferences. The second sentence again reflects what human voters would do, not how the RPI formula works.

3. “Plus the Rainbow Wahine’s RPI will get a boost just by playing teams in the power conferences, regardless of how those opponents fare the rest of the season.”
The first part is true if the power conference teams have really good non-conference seasons (also, this statement relates to the 25% part of the RPI related to the won-loss record of one’s opponents’ opponents). However, the last part is blatantly false. If UH beats Florida and then Florida proceeds to lose a bunch of games, that will really hurt UH’s RPI versus Florida winning those games (and those losses will outweigh any positive impact from playing a team from the SEC). Opponent’s won-loss records are the 50% factor in the RPI and you want your opponents to win as much as possible.

4. “Where Hawaii’s RPI will take a hit is when playing two Big Sky teams in Idaho (picked to finish fifth in the conference) and Eastern Washington (eighth), and when hosting the WAC’s Cal State Bakersfield (fourth) twice and San Diego State (sixth) of the Mountain West.” Maybe, maybe not. If the teams actually have great seasons, then RPI could be improved regardless of conference affiliation. Again, that 50% RPI factor comes into play (opponent’s won-loss record). If the teams are middling or terrible, then UH’s RPI will suffer vs. those teams having excellent won-loss records. I remember a couple of years ago when American had that great season and a very strong RPI, despite being in a weaker conference. Much of that had to do with its excellent won-loss record.

To understand how UH can maximize its RPI, I like to use the following rules of thumb:

1. UH must win as many matches as possible. A win has the biggest positive impact to RPI versus what an opponent does or the scheduling impact related to playing strong conference vs. no-name/poor conference opponents. It is also the only part of the RPI that UH has any control over, other than scheduling.

2. UH’s opponents need to win as many matches as possible (50% RPI factor), excepting their matches with UH. Does not matter which conference they are from. They all need to win as much as possible. For Big West opponents, UH needs them to win as many non-conference matches as possible–conference season becomes a wash as everyone plays each other (as an aside, UH would prefer the other Big West teams schedule more cupcakes and rack up more wins than play the top teams, to maximize its RPI).

3. UH’s opponents’ opponents’ won-loss record needs to be as high as possible. Generally, you will see this in conferences which tend to play a lot of lesser teams in the preseason and rack up the wins prior to conference play. For example, Big 10 and Pac 10 (they can afford to hold tournaments and get lesser teams to come and play). So that is generally why you want to schedule power conference teams. However, that positive impact will be nullified if you lose to that power team and/or that power team has a bad year.

4. If the NCAA awards win bonuses for victories over top 25 competition, as is strongly rumored, then definitely beat Florida, UCLA, etc.

Your article is strongest when it describes the challenges of trying to schedule “good” teams a year or two into the future and the resulting uncertainty. However, it suffers from the issues above and seems to confuse how RPI will be impacted by a loss versus how human voters will be influenced by that same loss.

I know you have disagreed with me on this in the past, but I am just going by the mathematics of the formula. Happy to discuss further and expound on the above in a constructive manner, as has been the case with you and the other posters on this blog. Thx.

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By: darkfire https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612712 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:37:53 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612712 Absotively Posilutely Fabulous job on the insert Cindy! I was waiting with much anticipation for it and it did not disappoint one bit. I like how everyone was divided up into their positions so that you could focus on those specific girls. Also, everyone has that look in their eyes like we’ve been referring to…the poker look like they’re all going to take everyone out and no one is going to stop them. All except one person, Savannah Kahakai. She’s got that smirk on her face like, “You won’t know what hit you brah…” Again, super job Cindy! Mahalo nui loa for all your work!

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By: mei mei https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612698 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:11:03 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612698 21-23 absolutely agree – thank you Cindy !!

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By: mojo1 https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612690 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 20:20:17 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612690 Looking forward to this new start tonight. I hope after watching last years final eight teams that we’re correct on the passing and especially the setting placement and decisions adjustments. Those areas will really have a great impact on how well we do later in the year.

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By: tongo https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612673 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 18:12:03 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612673 #22 I second that! The wahine volleyball program is such a beloved team that it is impossible to explain to my neighbors here in So. CA. In very odd way, for those of us who have relocated to the mainland, it is a link to all the things that we love about the islands. Thank you Cindy!

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By: Ron https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612664 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:59:45 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612664 “Lucky we live Hawaii” This especially true when it come to volleyball coverage. No where else in the Country would we get the information that Cindy’s articles provide.Up close and personal glimpses of the players, coaches, and the volleyball world in general. Thank you so much Cindy and the rest of you sane bloggers out there.

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By: abacaxi https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612658 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 15:47:34 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612658 Terrific write-ups in today’s issue of the Star-Advertiser. Way to go, Cindy.

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By: warriorfan https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/thursday-back-on-line-manu-olevao-mitchem/#comment-2612655 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 10:24:08 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=32805#comment-2612655 Hope Mitchem is cleared to play friday, Idaho should be the easy match of the weekend, and hopefully the backups with get some playing time.

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