Comments on: The Beach in 5 over UCSB https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/ Mon, 02 Dec 2013 02:02:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Maverick https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36382 Mon, 02 Dec 2013 02:02:34 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36382 46. In contemplating this a little more, I think I understand where our positions diverge. I make a distinction between scheduling impacts on RPI and performance impacts on RPI. Because UH scheduled UCLA and NMSU, those team’s records and their opponents’ records are incorporated into UH’s RPI. That will happen regardless of whether UCLA or NMSU win or lose a particular weekend. When I suggest switching wins/losses to look at a marginal impact, then that addresses the performance impact on RPI. Because I view the RPI in this manner, I don’t really see good or bad wins/losses. If the RPI formula as published in the public domain is truly used, then there are no bad wins/losses. However, if it is true that teams get a bonus for a top 25 win, then there are good wins. A better system would incorporate how well a team beats another team, accounting for general team strengths, to better reflect a team’s performance. Right now, 75% of a team’s rpi is completely out of its control.

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By: Maverick https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36381 Mon, 02 Dec 2013 01:49:18 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36381 46. Since you have taken the time to review and think about the RPI formula, which sets you apart from the majority, I will be respectful in my reply.

Whether UCLA & NMSU won or lost, its opponents’ winning percentage was going to factor in. And those w-l percentages in total won’t change in my scenario because switching wins/losses for UCLA and NMSU would cancel out each other. I am just looking at the marginal impact. Clearly UCLA has a stronger schedule, but I am not comparing schedules, just the marginal impact of switching wins/losses. For me, the key point is that UH’s RPI dropped because it played a team with an atrocious w-l record.

On my second point, the RPI would have dropped. I ran the math before posting. For the first two components, UH’s RPI would have dropped by .0038. In order for UH’s RPI not to drop, then UH’s opponents’ opponents’ W-L record needed to be .783 that night, or roughly a 1650-467 record (for comparison, this figure was .587 in UH’s RPI calc before applying the 25% weighting, and on any given night, the cumulative winning percentage of all teams playing is .500). This was highly unlikely to happen, and did not happen, so I stand by my statement (although if you want to feel like you’re a winner, I’ll set my figure to 99.5% rather than 100% certainty). There is no material difference between the two in my view.

What I did not say is that UH’s RPI ranking would have automatically dropped, as we both recognize.

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By: OrbitalripZ https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36380 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 21:43:16 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36380 Re: 30

“If you are saying UCLA losing twice counts far more than MNSU winnning twice, regardless of who UH played last night, then that is clearly wrong from an RPI perspective. Switch UCLA’s two losses to wins and NMSU’s two wins to losses and UH’s RPI is not impacted.” Impossible, for NMSU could only lose once since it was playing in a tournament where you lose you’re out! But even skipping my wise crack, the formulation — winning percentage of those opponents’ opponents — applies: UCLA’s Big Ten opponents weighs far more NMSU’s WAC opponents, but I suspect you disagree so there’s no point dragging this on. (But one point for me, lol.)

“Even if UH’s non-BWC opponents went 12-0, UH’s RPI would have still dropped becuase of Riverside’s really atrocious record of 2-26.” I haven’t run the formulation — team’s winning percentage (25%), its opponents’ winning percentage (50%), and the winning percentage of those opponents’ opponents (25%) — but if all non-BWC opponents won, I suspect it would be wash, and I wouldn’t have concluded (like you) with 100% certainty that UH’s RPI would automatically drop.

“If and how far UH’s RPI ranking falls is partly determined by how other teams with RPI rankings near UH do, as you mentioned.” Exactly, and wish more posters would acknowledge this.

“I would not say we should be without worry. And I would not be shocked if UH is not selected to host the first two rounds of matches. No slam dunk here.” As it turned out, the majority of UH’s non-BWC opponents loss, and I agree when you fate lies in the hands of the Volleyball [Selection] Committee, as the UH’s now clearly does, it’s no slam dunk or (to keep to volleyball metaphors) it’s no service ace.

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By: Maverick https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36379 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 07:48:23 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36379 To clarify it doesn’t matter who wins the BWC matches not involving uh. Rpi is impacted the same regardless of who wins.

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By: Maverick https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36378 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 06:53:43 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36378 43. Again you don’t understand the rpi formula. BWC matches involving uh opponents don’t impact UH’s rpi.

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By: Lina https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36377 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 04:47:46 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36377 Maverick,

That is true in some aspects, but UCSB being a higher ranked team, being upset by a lower ranked team last night, will result in moving down in the RPIs (for UCSB), and as a result, the Wahine’s RPI will take a hit as well since they have a loss from UCSB.

I’m not saying this will be costly, it might have a minimal impact of being lowered in the RPI poll by only a few spots (heck even one), but I guess my main point is that even being dropped one spot in the RPI is not good for the Wahine, if they want to host, since the NCAA will still have legitimacy in sending them away for the first two rounds, even at #15 in RPIs.

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By: 808BV https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36376 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 03:52:02 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36376 Hi guys…I’m not new to the sport of volleyball, but new to the fact that this year I got really interested in the wahine stats and how them having a good RPI would (hopefully) let UH host a NCAA match.
Is there somewhere that explains all of this and how it works for a curious fan? I assumed that if UH Ranked in the top 5 they would host automatically, I was wrong. My last following of the Rainbow wahine was during the ‘Willoughby and Kahumoku” days….. The best years, IMO 😉
Anyway. Where can I get myself caught up?

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By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36375 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 03:10:06 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36375 You can go to UH website and look at individual stats.
this is the link for Mendoza
http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/custompages/Stats/Wvb/2013/plyr_14.htm

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By: setaone https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36374 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 03:03:06 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36374 36. Thanks airinfall. I did know that. But I saw that Lelepali was coming in for Taylor in the Texas match. I can’t recall when Mendoza grabbed that spot and didn’t let go. San Diego maybe?

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By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/the-beach-in-5-over-ucsb/#comment-36373 Sun, 01 Dec 2013 02:56:33 +0000 http://volleyshots.staradvertiserblogs.com/?p=1508#comment-36373 38. IF Mitchem qualifies, she will be a 2015 recruit.
37. see new thread for scores.

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