Comments on: No. 14 Hawaii 3, Cal Poly 1 https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/ Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:56:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Cindy Luis https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651562 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:56:20 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651562 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39392
new thread up. UH No. 13
125. Granato passed well both nights.
of the DSs on the trip, both served. Anderson and Ponce. And Greeley played back row.

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By: Maverick https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651561 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:55:38 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651561 Hawaii moves up to #13 in the poll.

https://www.avca.org/polls/di-women/9-26-2016.html

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By: connor https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651553 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:58:42 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651553 Tongo: how was Granato’s passing for the two nights? did it look steadier or was she having her usual inconsistency? did Shoji substitute DS in for any of the backrow regulars?

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By: tongo https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651548 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:07:19 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651548 #122 Yeah, Mustangs were serving really tough. Had mentioned it earlier but IMO, there was more than one occasion where it was not clear if ball was going out or not – and that Kahakai was not sure. At the Thunderdome, Savanah took one at the very last moment and shank it. At Mott, she let one go and it dropped in. To me, she needs help from the other backcourt players at the time. Staff will address it soon enough but it was a little disappointing to see. Overall, the team played great. And talking about receiving, I thought Greeley looked more active and played great.

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By: tongo https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651543 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:34:20 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651543 #121 No problem. This is after-all just fun for us fans. Enjoyed reading your thoughts also. Nice to see some critical thinking posted here every once in a while.

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By: warriorwahine https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651542 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 10:31:03 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651542 i just looked at the box score and cant believe savannah was aced 3 times including the ending set point for set 1 (and apparently she attacked??)

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By: noblesol https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651539 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 07:22:47 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651539 Sorry Tongo, meant #118 in my treatise above. I always find I’m agree with you by the way, so just want to get that out there.

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By: noblesol https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651538 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 06:41:13 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651538 #117 I’m guessing you might be referring to something I wrote. Not sure how to respond though. I can’t find where it was said by me or others that of Hawaii’s errors and Cal Poly’s kills “one followed the other”. So, yes, of course I agree with you, if it were true that was said, then it’s a non sequitur. But that is not what was said.

If you were referring to my breakdown of the 1st set of the Cal Poly match, I thank you for reading it and thinking about it. However I’d guide you to a different ‘bottom line’ conclusion if possible; that is that we agree that a fast offense and quick sets are wholly appropriate for Cal Poly’s personnel and their program. But is that it, and nothing else to learn?

I was interested in how much of Cal Polys 1st set success was wholly attributable to their ability to get kills in system, and how much of their success came from Hawaii’s errors. A fast quick system is not primarily responsible for the other teams errors. The ability to block and serve well can assist the opposition in generating their errors, but those are not attributes of a fast quick setting system. The opposition has primary control of their errors against the block and in choosing personnel and positioning for serve receive.

My breakdown showed that Cal Pol in system was relatively successful in their points 1 – 15, clearly generating for them 5 points. But their ability to generate points in system was relatively inconsequential in their points 16 – 34. In their points 16 – 34, fast quick generated only 3 of those 19 points. Hawaii’s nine errors accounted for 9 of their 19 points, which was 3x what Cal Poly was generating in system from their fast quick offense. To the extent that Cal Poly was doing a good job of serving, blocking, and playing high ball transition offense with lots of tipping, that helped Hawaii along in their error fest and self-demolition. But that is something that any team can do regardless of their primary offensive system, and it is wholly wrong to point to fast quick as responsible for Cal Polys success in their come back against Hawaii in set 1, as clearly it was something else going on in those points 16 – 34.

My bottom line for what I think might have helped Hawaii in Set 1 with reducing their attack errors, would have to been to employ the ‘neutral’ attack a bit more often. Keep the ball in, avoid the block, make them chase and make them generate high ball transition offense to their struggling ‘out of system’ OH, Van Winden. Hawaii has had success stopping her. Although Hawaii has struggled with her tips from time to time, they’ve shown they can adjust and control it. For most of the match they were ok against the tip, but in that set 1 they had one rotation from points #18, #20, and #21 that they failed to quickly adjust. As for improving serve receive and passing, they could utilize their DS’s a bit more. Many of Hawaii’s attack errors are generated from poor passing, resulting in not so great setting, followed by what the ‘eh hitting. Fewer attack errors follows from better sets follows from better passing. No non sequitur there.

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By: H-Man https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651532 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 05:01:41 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651532 Congratulations to the Wahine for the two road wins. Wins on the road not always the easiest, but you got it done.

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By: blunite https://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/volleyshots/no-14-hawaii-at-cal-poly/#comment-2651530 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 03:51:57 +0000 http://www.hawaiiwarriorworld.com/?p=39376#comment-2651530 Hawaii’s Perceived Errors:

It was noted that Hawaii’s errors outnumbered Cal Poly’s kills using a fast offense. Oddly, same thing occurred against other teams like UCLA and Washington (Hawaii had more kills than Washington). Hawaii’s attack errors against ranked teams is 22-25. Their errors against Cal Poly was 25.

The USA National team does use a fast offense/fast sets (winning the 2014 World’s Women Volleyball Championship) ongoing now for 4+ years. Perhaps someone should tell Karch Kiraly the problems with using a fast offense. After all, height does not appear to be his primary recruitment criteria. (Good thing they don’t play in a humid gym.)

Bottom Line: Comparing Hawaii’s errors to Cal Poly’s kills is a non sequitur.

Let’s give credit to the opposing blocks/defenses; which may explain why Hawaii’s errors are so consistent against strong teams.

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